1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I almost famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: with her radio. Hey, guys, welcome to the almost famous podcast. Finally, 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: oh my Gosh, today Ben is en route to the 4 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio Music Festival in Vegas, so I am 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: here with a bachelor expert, Chris Bukowski, and his girlfriend, 6 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: Anna Redman, of Matt James Season. These two have been 7 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:33,959 Speaker 1: together for a little while now. We're going to get 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: into the relationship later in the show, but of course 9 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: we have some pressing finale matters to attend to. Hello, guys, 10 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Hi, Hey, Ashley, thanks for having us. Well, 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here, Chris. I saw 12 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 1: you on twitter yesterday and you agreed with me on 13 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: what I think is the most massive moment of the 14 00:00:55,400 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: entire finale, which was the whole Aven interrupting Tino's hot 15 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: seats and then pulling Um and pulling Rachel off. So 16 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: I'm glad we we agree. But also I wonder if 17 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: we needed a perspective of somebody who is more on 18 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: the other side, like more team let's not do teams, 19 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: but you know what I mean. Who doesn't have as 20 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: much empathy as we do for Tino in that spot 21 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: and I'm just jumping into this scene. We're gonna jump. Okay, fine, 22 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 1: we shouldn't jump into this hand, but just quick, quick take. 23 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: What what is your quick take on that moment? I 24 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: think they should have taken tina off stage and then 25 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: had him come on and do what they did. I 26 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: think it was just so awkward for everyone to watch 27 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: Tino stand there Um. But again, we have more empathy 28 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: for anyone because in that situation, just because we've all 29 00:01:55,520 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: been there. Maybe, maybe, maybe. Okay, so let's get let's 30 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: you know, there's like a whole bunch of like filler 31 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: content in the beginning. Let's go into that final row ceremony. 32 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: There's just no doubt in both of our minds that 33 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: this is going to end in an engagement for Rachel 34 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: and Tino, right right, like this is doubt. Okay, Alright, fine, 35 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: there's a little doubt, but like the entire time Tino 36 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: has been like the only guy that is really like, 37 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: I'm ready for an engagement, and we all know that 38 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: that is Rachel's like number one priority. I think is 39 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: the bigger red flag if someone's like, yeah, I'm gung 40 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: homer an engagement versus on being like let's think about this. Okay, 41 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: we'll elaborate on that. Do you think that the premise 42 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: of the show should be different? No, but I don't 43 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: think someone being hesitant or saying that expressing their feelings 44 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: towards it is like that big of a red flag. 45 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: Oh of course not. Someone had like taken as like 46 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 1: a serious thing and like let's talk about it, versus 47 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: and being like yeah, I'll just give you a ring. 48 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: There's so much chilliness solve this, because Rachel was all 49 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: about like I gotta get gage, you gotta get gage, 50 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: you gotta get engauge. Right, she gets engaged to Tino. 51 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: That falls apart. She like gives back the read. There's 52 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of gray area, which again I 53 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: do want to jump into a second, but it's a 54 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: lot of gray area as to when this ring was 55 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: handed back, when they broke up, if they were on 56 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: a break. There's like so much, I think, to Tino's 57 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: side that we're not hearing Um. And it's just funny 58 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: because it sounds as if there was a moment where 59 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: she wanted to give back the ring to end the 60 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: engagement that she wanted so so badly, and then ends 61 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: up with and then, quote quote, ends up with even 62 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,119 Speaker 1: in the end right, so it's like maybe he had 63 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: an idea. Okay. So, anyway, the two of them get engaged. 64 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: You can see the entire time well, because this is, 65 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: I think, one of the only proposals that we've ever 66 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: seen were like that little yellow square is at the 67 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: bottom the entire proposal. It's all given away, like there's 68 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: no fluttery feelings. They may have done that on purpose 69 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: so that we wouldn't get like we wouldn't feel like 70 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: really sad about them not being together. But Rachel's Rachel's 71 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: face this entire time, whenever there's a live moment, has 72 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: given away the ending for all of us. We were like, uh, 73 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: it is so sad right now. She's oh so sad, 74 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: so not happy. When we saw it, like honestly, the 75 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: past two weeks we've seen this um since men tell all, 76 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: we're just like something, that is not gonna go well 77 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: for her Um. But yeah, so during the proposal we 78 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: know that they're not together because her face tells it all. 79 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: And then we see her family's face and they're not 80 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: happy either, and that sucks. You know, like we obviously 81 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: want Rachel to end up with somebody. I felt something 82 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: between her and you know the entire time. How about 83 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: you guys? Who did you feel like you should have 84 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: ended up with? I feel like she had her like 85 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: mindset on him and that's what was going to happen. 86 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: He's a great looking dude. It seemed like they got 87 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: along Um. But again, I think it came down to 88 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: him being willing to give her the ring at the end, 89 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: even if that didn't mean it was the strongest relationship. Yeah, 90 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: I agree. I think she had her mindset on him. Um. 91 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he had his mindset on her, Um, 92 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: but you know, I mean if there's someone there, you 93 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: want to pursue them to the fullest, and it's not 94 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: like you don't want to just do it. You know 95 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: to do it if it's not the person you want 96 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: to end up with. Um. So I think that's kind 97 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: of where Rachel was at in that situation. I had 98 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: a lot of thought. I had like Um complicated, like 99 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: a roller coaster of feelings towards you know the entire time. 100 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: At first I was like, Oh my God, what chemistry, 101 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: like this is like that guy, that's stubbly guy that 102 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: you want to see as part of the franchise. Like 103 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: he makes the franchise better, you know, like a like 104 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: a like, like a tyler state, like he makes the 105 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: franchise better a lot of like I was thinking that 106 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: there's a thing. There's like a vibe. Right, there's a vibe. 107 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: So then, Um, and so then I started to feel 108 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: like he was just a player. I was like, Oh man, 109 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: this guy like not here, but he doesn't really like her, 110 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: like I feel like he just wants to win this thing. 111 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: He's a Bachelor Fan, he wants to win. And then 112 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,679 Speaker 1: I started to really feel like he likes her a lot, 113 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: and that's where I ended up. That's why I still 114 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: end up. Actually, I still feel like he really likes her. 115 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: I feel that I'm going to get so much crap 116 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: a lot the end of this episode because people are 117 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: gonna be like, Oh my God, actually, he cheated on her. 118 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: He cheated on her. We're gonna get to that. Let's 119 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: get to her now, and I go ahead. Um, I 120 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: just I feel like when you're in a public relationship 121 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: you have to or not public relationship, but on this show, 122 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: while you're filming and then after until like the finding 123 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: groles has done, you're constantly thinking about optics and, like, 124 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: you hate to say it, but people are gonna do 125 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: what looks best for them. Like I think Tino had 126 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: it in his mind like if I apologize, if I 127 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: can get back to where I can save myself in 128 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: the situation. Not Saying he doesn't like her, doesn't have 129 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: any feelings, but I do think that is something he 130 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: was thinking about. I just think for Tino there might 131 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: have been slight alter your motives, Um, to just kind 132 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: of flip the script towards his side in this situation, 133 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: alterior motives, like as of the motives that we heard 134 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: that Eric had no opportunities, not act opportunities. I just 135 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: think like when you're the villain of a season, you're 136 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: getting a ton of thrown at you all the time 137 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: and I think he knew that was going to happen 138 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: and he wanted to just maybe trying to take control 139 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: of the situation a little bit more. And again, I'm 140 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: not undermining his feeling, like he couldn't he couldn't be 141 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: had over heels in love with her. I just think 142 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll never know exactly. We'll never know 143 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: until we have Tino and Rachel on this podcast, which 144 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: hopefully is going to happen soon. We do have Rachel 145 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: coming on this week and we are working on getting Tino. 146 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: I think it's okay if I say that he and 147 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: Ben have spoken before. So we have a little, we 148 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: have a little of it inside knowledge and we have 149 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: a we have like a a side of the story 150 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: that we feel like we've heard first before last night. 151 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: So now it creates more of a debate in our head. Anyway, 152 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: let's go to the cheating part. So what happens is 153 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: Rachel basically does she stay on stage? I'm not even 154 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 1: sure like how this UN faults, but she basically tells 155 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: us there's been difficulties, right and it's not been smooth 156 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 1: sailing since that engagement. Like maybe they had two weeks 157 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: of pleasantries and then it went to like rocky road 158 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: and and then he and then he cheated on me. 159 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: That's how we heard it, and it's just like again, guys, 160 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: I am not downplaying this kiss. Okay, I really want 161 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: everybody know I do consider this. I do consider a 162 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: kiss cheating for sure. I know people are going to 163 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: bring back, bring up my story with jared. Yes, I 164 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: kissed shared an airport. It was cheating Um, but we 165 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: do get the story only from Rachel herself there, which 166 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 1: I think is a little unfair. She's the one that's 167 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: sitting there solo and says it got rocky and he 168 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: cheated on me. Let's go watch the footage. What do 169 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: you think about that? They're in a relationship, they're engaged. 170 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: I would be kiss so we're engaging with it and 171 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: kissed someone. Not Saying we wouldn't work through it, but 172 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: it's like that is that's big. That is a big thing. 173 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: I think she deserves to be upset about that. Huge, oh, 174 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: for sure, for sure. But is it like a relationship ender? 175 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 1: If you think this is your one and only engaged 176 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: we're going to get married again? I don't know. But 177 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: also there it's like they're in the beginning of a 178 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: relationship even though they're engaged. I'm okay again. I'm now 179 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: not being clear enough, because I'm not downplaying I'm not 180 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: downplaying the importance of this cheating moment. I'm wondering if 181 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: there's more to this, if she's a leaving out lots 182 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 1: of parts of the story on that stage, without Tino 183 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: there to interrupt and be like wait, wait, it's like 184 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: you're missing the you're missing the time. That led me 185 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: to that moment. And then at one point they were 186 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: like threatening each other to drink dirt. Why is this happening? Like, 187 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: if anything, just protect your families, protect yourself with certain crap. Obviously. Why? 188 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: Why would you allude to their even being drama, because 189 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: then that's going to be dug up exactly that. That 190 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: moment was huge, but it alluded to me even more 191 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: there's so much to this story missing. So that's why 192 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: I was so upset when they the moment with Avan, 193 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: because we're getting even if, like, if you cheated on her, 194 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: you suck, you suck and you don't deserve her and like, 195 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: I'm not conduct like your Buck Gross, but I but 196 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: I feel like it was particularly cruel to do what 197 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 1: they do with Avin coming on stage, because I don't 198 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 1: think we got the whole version of the story because 199 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: they so, they basically told us we did it. Chris, 200 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: you yeah, I mean, here's the thing is, Tino had 201 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: no shot. Um, you know, obviously Rachel's gonna have the 202 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: opportunity to tell her side of the story. Um, the 203 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: majority of the Yes, what what he did obviously was wrong, 204 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: and there's you know, there's there's there's nothing okay with that, 205 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: but there is a lot more to the story. There 206 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 1: always is, Um, and he didn't really get the opportunity 207 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: to kind of say that. And by the time he 208 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: did get up there and have the opportunity, he was 209 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: he had no shot. I mean he was just also 210 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: like she didn't really let him talk much and I 211 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: didn't like that. Obviously she was upset and stuff while 212 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: he was up there, but he didn't really have a 213 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: shot to apologize Um truly. Maybe, I don't know, it 214 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: wasn't really genuine or what not, but I don't think. 215 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: You know, I think she could have been more receptive of, 216 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: you know, what he was trying to say and obviously 217 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: they both have a lot more to say, which we 218 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: don't we don't know about Um. So, you know, I 219 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: don't I didn't feel bad for him by any means, 220 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: but I also felt like they went way too far. 221 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: M As far as yes, they buried that guy. They 222 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: buried him on stage and then they didn't even worse 223 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: when they brought Evan back on to the stage, which 224 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: was the most awkward thing I've probably ever seen in 225 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: the ten years I've been watching the show, like it 226 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: wasn't even pleasant to watch. And I feel like once 227 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: you get to the finale, you want those warm, bubbly 228 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: feelings because you just spent how many months invested in 229 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: these people, and it's like they kind of gave us 230 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: that with Gabby. Yeah, I wanted I want to like 231 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: I am being hugged by bastard nation at the end, 232 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: and that was just like a slap in the face 233 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,239 Speaker 1: to viewers as well. It was like my heart was pounding, 234 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: like I felt like I was involved personally, because it 235 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: just it felt so intrusive and it felt such like 236 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: a bully fest. Like, you know, we've talked in the 237 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,359 Speaker 1: past about bullying and how the mental health of these contestants. 238 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: We've done it on these tell alls, and I just 239 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: feel like that moment was bullying because, yeah, he didn't, 240 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: he didn't have like that. He was Never gonna win, right, 241 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: you're just saying they they buried him. He really had 242 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: no opportunity. Also, he's just he's not quick on his feet. Um, 243 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: Rachel is just, you know, she is, she she knows, 244 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: you know, she knows how to handle a moment like 245 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: that and he does not. And then the whole audience. Yeah, 246 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: also like the whole you know, this guy's had so 247 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: much time to think about this. You know what am 248 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: I going to say? How am I gonna how am 249 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: I gonna save myself, or how do I do this 250 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: without bringing up stuff that we don't want to bring up, 251 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: you know, and like, once you get up there and 252 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: you're trying to explain yourself or or say things, it's 253 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: just it never comes out to you want. Never, never. Yeah, 254 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: so he was. He was in a tough spot. Yeah, 255 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: you were talking about it and not too I feel 256 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: like she wants the true apology, but when I was 257 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: watching him, like he, he, and then she was like 258 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: she he wrote me a letter apologizing. Hopefully he apologizes 259 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: to I'm like she ended by saying he didn't even apologize. Yeah, 260 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: and it's like how much more, like you're going to 261 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: drag yourself down even more trying to get this from 262 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: someone who he's just not going to give you what 263 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: you want at yeah, I did a poll on my 264 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: instagram last night. Let me pull up what the current 265 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: numbers are. Okay, so I said, what are your thoughts 266 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: in the moment? was a cruel spie feel and unnecessary, 267 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: or he deserved it. So eight sixty eight percent. So 268 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: it was cruel, Spie, fuel and unnecessary and said that 269 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: he deserved it the show. Regardless of like what their 270 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: thoughts were in that moment, they definitely got shatter. They 271 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: got shatter. We are all talking about it. We all 272 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: felt something in that moment and you know what, you know, 273 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, you know, Um, the the other thing that 274 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to point out was that there was like, 275 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: I'm all about the female empowerment. We love our Bachelorettes, 276 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: love them. They typically stay with their final person longer, Um, 277 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: and they typically just handle the entire experience with more 278 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: grace and poison intelligence. And I, you know, love the 279 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: girls in the audience. We had Becka, Michelle and Caitlin. 280 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: I do feel like it was a little bit of 281 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: a girl gang thing. I feel like they were trying 282 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: to set it up so that they'd have three bachelorettes 283 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: that it didn't work out with. They're in quote, support 284 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: of Rachel Um, even though, and then they're all gonna 285 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: be on her side, and I just felt like it 286 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: was a little bit like, okay, Um, I love that 287 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: we support our girls, but also let's not like bring 288 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: down men like like, like, let's not tear down men 289 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: while supporting women, do you know what I mean? And 290 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: I feel like they. I feel like what if we 291 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: reverse this and and we we we embarrassed a woman 292 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: like this, if a girl kissed one of our bachelor's 293 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: and then we had him get escorted out by his 294 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: runner up, no what like there be. The whole fandom 295 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: would be up in arms. It seems like sixty eight 296 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: percent of people did not like it Um, but I 297 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: would say it was a hundred percent. Would not like 298 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: it if it was a girl. Absolutely everything, everything that 299 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: you see on these shows, it's calculated. It's calculated by producers. 300 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: It's calculated to get to you to feel a certain way, 301 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: and I think the show knew that they were going 302 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: to do this extreme thing and they wanted to back 303 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: it up, seeing like it was an empowering girl moment, 304 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: and that's why they had them in the audience. And 305 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: then even if, like you saw their tiktok's, like, I 306 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: think it was, like you said, it was all set 307 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: up to look a certain way for opjects. You know 308 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: what I thought would have been more empowering for women 309 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: or just in general for the show, is if she actually, 310 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: I'm not saying forgave him for everything he did. Put 311 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: at the end, forgave him, like okay, like I'm moving 312 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: on with my life, I forgive you. This happened, this 313 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: was you know, that's the past, like let's move on, 314 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: don't drag this guy, don't bring this other man on 315 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: the stage and like there's there's no lesson to be 316 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: learned in that whole thing, like you need, you know, 317 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,479 Speaker 1: forgiveness is a lot more difficult than saying you know, 318 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: you know exactly. So I thought that would have been 319 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: a nice moment. And obviously you know it's it's tough 320 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: when that happens to you. But if she was able 321 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: to forgive hi at the end of that, he walks off, 322 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: then you know, even comes on and they have this 323 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: whole thing and I thought that would have been a 324 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: real nice touch for the show. When don't we have 325 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: all felt better about that, like we felt good, we'd 326 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: be more in support of whatever happens with AVN. It 327 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: just would have given us more of that bachelor ending 328 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: that we crave. But I think the show could have 329 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: like coached her to do that if they wanted. If 330 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: they wanted that to happen versus the mess that we 331 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: saw last night. They could have been like we think, 332 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: like you should forgive him, like we all know that. 333 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: They put things in people's ears and you end up 334 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: doing that, especially these teels. And I don't know how 335 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: much of it, but they could have coached her a 336 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: little more to have that warm, fuzzy ending that I 337 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: think we all wanted. Well, they're no doubt that we 338 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: got ended with Gabby, because we get the quote warm 339 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: fuzzy ending. However, I was so trapictized by the other 340 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: moment that I couldn't enjoy it. My Dad was like you. 341 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: They're like go grab more wine. It's like, well, I don't, 342 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to be stressed tonight. I want to 343 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: feel Goodah, they just booted Rachel, like it was like 344 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: all right, we're done with Rachel. You never saw her 345 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: again after like she left with yeah, okay, I again. 346 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: I really I can't get over this, so I'm just 347 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: gonna keep talking about it. We have to talk about 348 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: Um Tino space. Like the demoralization that was occurring was 349 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: just so heartbreaking. Like again, I don't care, even if 350 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: you're like a crappy person. Or let's let even call 351 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: him a carpers and let's just call him Um, somebody 352 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: who made a big mistake. Um. There's no need to 353 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: just totally destroy, humiliate demoralize somebody like the way that 354 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: they did with this. And it was all over his face, 355 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,719 Speaker 1: which is so heartbreaking to me, and I know, I know, 356 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 1: people are out there gonna be like, but actually, he 357 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: demoralized her by kissing another girl. Totally respect that side. 358 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I don't see it, but again, it's 359 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: not like one hurt cancels out another hurt. You know 360 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: whatever that expression is, Um. So, I mean, did you? 361 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: How do you guys feel? Just looking at his face, 362 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: it looked like he was on the verge of tears, 363 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: like I thought he was gonna start crying. Would mean 364 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: something like can I be done? Are we done? Like 365 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: can can this be over? Like that's what he was 366 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: mouthing and I just was like Oh, because, like that's 367 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: the worst he's standing in the audience that is booing him. 368 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: He just had. He like he basically just got slapped 369 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: in the face by someone else taking his girl, but 370 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: not his girl, but also like didn't get anywhere with 371 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: this conversation that he probably intended to have. It was 372 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: just like waghmy after Wahmmy after whammy. I'm also going 373 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: to go on a limb here and say that even 374 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: probably didn't want to do that. Yeah, he did not. 375 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: I was just lap, you can drop my Mike. Yes, 376 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: he did not. I would never do that. I would. 377 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: I would. You know, if they're like you should do this, 378 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: I'm like, m I mean I but he didn't know. 379 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: He would, Tina would still be out there. They had 380 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: any friendship? Did they have any friendship? I don't even 381 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: think it matters. You just don't do that to a person. Yeah, 382 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: that's just brutal. But it seemed like when once he 383 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: walked out there, I think once he saw the situation 384 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: to it was almost like because it wasn't as sweep 385 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: you off the feet, prince, like it was kind of 386 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: timid for what the moment was supposed to be. And 387 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: I think it's because he realized Tino was out there 388 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: and he didn't. And there's a good, good chance, just 389 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: knowing how it things unfold, that that even did not know. 390 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: I really don't think he knew and once he stepped out, 391 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: you could, I don't even have to say it again, 392 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: what you said was perfect. He did not. He was like, 393 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: Oh God, how am I? I'm so embarrassed that I 394 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: am doing this, I don't want to make this move, 395 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: I think this move is gross. And then Rachel's face. 396 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: I didn't like Rachel's expression. Rachel was like Ah, my moment, 397 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: my moment. He had no empathy at all, and I 398 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe maybe I would be like that, because 399 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: I would. I try to put myself in moments like this. 400 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: You're you're just I know my I know myself. I'm 401 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: not perfect, I'm not an angel. There's lots of times 402 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: where I just want to get back at someone, and 403 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: that would have been one of the bachelor moments that 404 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: I just wanted to get back at someone. I made 405 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: have smiled and had that vindicated feeling too. I need 406 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: to put myself in that position, um, but I just 407 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,719 Speaker 1: feel like in the position of me sitting here, I 408 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,719 Speaker 1: was just like, Oh my God, I don't care if 409 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: he kissed another girl. I would have been so sad 410 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: for him and I wouldn't want him to be embarrassed 411 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: like this. But then again, I really guys, I'm trying 412 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: to see both sides and I may have responded under 413 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: the spotlight the way that she did. I'm thinking if 414 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: someone who really hurt me, I would like and also 415 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: say kind of like when if you watch crime, drug 416 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: Kas or anything, or listen to it, they're like you 417 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: never know how you're gonna reacts. Are you gonna smile 418 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: or you're gonna Laugh awkwardly, you're gonna cry, like you 419 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: never really know. So I don't want to put too 420 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: much weight into her reaction. But also this, this was 421 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: her last time to really, you know, do anything, do 422 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: anything in a positive light for herself. So I think, yeah, 423 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: she was trying her best. Yeah, I think you're right. 424 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: I think I probably would have been like, uh, screw you, 425 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: look at the shining moment for me. I know myself's 426 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: well enough to know that I probably would have responded 427 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: the same. So let's forget my initial comment. So, guys, 428 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: Um one last thing before we move on from this. 429 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: I did find a tweet last night that I thought 430 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: was super interesting. It was a response to one of mine. 431 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: This person said, isn't it wild that we are supposed 432 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: to be pleased with even popping up like it's some 433 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: happy ending? Yet last time we saw him he was 434 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: accused by Rachel of leading her on while he was 435 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: saying that he wasn't ready to get engaged. How long 436 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: is our collective attention span? I guess. I guess the 437 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: last time they technically were together, she was they were like, 438 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Um, on 439 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: that night, on that you know, finale hot seat, but 440 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: let's not forget the conversation that broke them up. Yeah, 441 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: now it is interesting to comment on Bachelori Bachelor nation's 442 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: attention span, because it's like zero. Things get flipped, they forget, 443 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: like even remember, like filming. I was like, my ponytail 444 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: wasn't up when we were doing this and you're doing another. 445 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: I T M like the audience won't notice and guess 446 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: what they didn't like. As much as bachelor nation loves 447 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: being sleuths and like looking into things because it's fun, 448 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: paying attention to details doesn't really happen as often as 449 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: we think, or we'd like to think it does. Oh Yeah, 450 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: one thousand and another thing that I would have loved 451 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: to hear from Jesse, which, obviously the timing wasn't right, 452 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: but I would love to, I guess, talk to Rachel 453 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: about when she comes on this podcast is what are 454 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: your thoughts now on getting engaged at the end? Do 455 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: you think it's as much of a must as it was, 456 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: or do you think that even may have had a point? Yeah, 457 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: I think that'd be I think we all want to 458 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: hear the answer to that question. I think hindsight, you grow, 459 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 1: you learn things that you wanted a couple our year ago, 460 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,239 Speaker 1: a couple of months ago, might not be the same, 461 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: especially after she's gone through all of this, which is 462 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: like such a life changing, mind changing thing. Her answer 463 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: role probably because I am a totally different person, especially emotionally, 464 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: and like how I process my emotions because of the show. 465 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: So I just think that that was probably one of 466 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: the big lessons she got from it, was just being like, ah, 467 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: let's prioritize this solidarity of the relationship instead of on TV. 468 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: He was the whole again when they were going back 469 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: and forth and he was like, well, I went to 470 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: therapy for you, like so obviously they're both trying to 471 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: work on themselves, but it was just weird that dirty 472 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: laundry was aired a little. I'm going to take a 473 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: break right now because I want to talk guess what, 474 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: just a little bit more about this and then we'll 475 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: move on to Gabby. See in a second. And we're 476 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: back and and I just had a great thought before 477 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: the break. She was talking about how they went to 478 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: therapy or like did they collectively go to therapy or 479 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 1: was she going through therapy? And he was like very 480 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: supportive of that because she was going through a really 481 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: tough time. She did say multiple times I was going 482 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: through a really tough time around the premiere of the show, 483 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: which I think. I think what you said where she 484 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: went which is great, like, especially going through this. I 485 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: went through therapy all that. I don't think you can 486 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: be a lead on the show or even like a 487 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: crucial character and not have a hard time mentally with it. Well, 488 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: applaud her all the way for going to therapy. Is 489 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: that something that she wanted out there, because I feel 490 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: like he said it. I don't know. It's again they 491 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: were just airing each other's dirty laundry and it felt 492 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: like they were just trying to hurt each other up 493 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: there versus find a conclusion. Chris, it looks like you 494 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: have thoughts. Yeah, I don't think you like throw that 495 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: out there as something like hey, I did this so 496 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: I deserve this right. Yeah, we go to therapy, you know, 497 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,719 Speaker 1: first for ourselves, because, you know, if you're not right 498 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: with yourself, and there's no way you can be right 499 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: in relationship. But I don't think you should use it 500 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: as a as a, as a crutch, Um, you know, 501 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: as like hey, like, I went to therapy, like I'm better, 502 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, I'm better than you, for I was working 503 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: on myself and all that stuff. Do you think that 504 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: that's how she used it? Personally? Yes, Um, to an extent, 505 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: and like very, you know, Cudis to her for going 506 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: and working herself. The hardest thing is is to actually 507 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: admitting that you need to go to therapy or you 508 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: need therapy for help. But I also don't think it 509 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: should be thrown around like that as, you know, something 510 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: that she can almost use as an excuse that she 511 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: was doing more than he was, um, you know, in 512 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: the relationship. Yeah, right, right, like that is the exact 513 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: exactly exactly. Um. Do you guys have anything to say 514 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: about the moment where they're in the house and he 515 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: brings out the like what we're gonna call just the 516 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: bachelor burn book or the the Rachel Burn Book. Always 517 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: mole skins. That was the first thing I saw. Is like, 518 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: you know, we were just sitting down. I see him 519 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: walking in with this notebook. I'm like, Oh man, he 520 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: brought notes. This is Um. Do we know what was even? 521 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: What was even there? I think he just like three 522 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: bullet points. Yeah, I get the intention of wanting to 523 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: bring notes because, like, I don't know, I can't keep 524 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: my mind straight, especially and argue. There's also a zero 525 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: chance that he probably wanted to bring that note. Write 526 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: down your thoughts, write down everything you want to say 527 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: and bring it to her. We know, Um. But yeah, 528 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: just it was all again, nothing about the ending for 529 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: those two felt good. Nothing felt good. It all felt piggy. 530 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: Watching all of it and like you want to be 531 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: like yeah, girl, get back that rig but for some 532 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: reason how they edited and filmed whatever on the back 533 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: end it didn't come off well. For you shot it 534 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: before and they've done it. Was Be good where you 535 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: were like Hannah and where you have these empowers. Oh 536 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: my God, the a moment was so good. Why do 537 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: we not like this? One persons the other two? Is 538 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: it times have changed, or like, what's going on here? 539 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: That's but again, I think that goes back to my 540 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: initial argument. We feel like something's missing and I now 541 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: want to deep dive into what could have been missing 542 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: because again, they alluded to it. You go both of 543 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: them on stage. Do you want to get into that now? 544 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: Do you really want to do that on we really? 545 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: I thought we basically they said like the crux of it, 546 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: as what Rachel was referring to as difficulties, so big Um, 547 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: and they were like they basically had a pact that like, 548 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: no matter what, they weren't going to go into on 549 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: TVs in respect. But then you don't give it to us. 550 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: I know I don't sit and like now it's gonna 551 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: be worse. We're gonna be like thinking of worse things 552 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: happened in this relationship when it it's probably just personal 553 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: ship that want. But it's totally okay to keep things 554 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: to yourself. It's not even when you're in the line, 555 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: like you need to have those boundaries for yourself and 556 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: I respect that for both of them. Yeah. So, so 557 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: if we respect so much, we will not do the 558 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: dirty and speculate what it was about. You can all 559 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: just they probably had a really rough time and we've 560 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,719 Speaker 1: all had rough times and relationships and yeah, it's just 561 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: it was probably hard because, again, you're starting off on 562 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: this deep into a relationship, but really how much you 563 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: know each other? So there's not that strong foundation that 564 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: a lot of relationships have have by the time big 565 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: things get brought up, and I can see how that 566 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: can shake yeah, and make it really difficult. Do you 567 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: guys sense any like of her talking down to him? Well, yeah, okay, 568 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: but again I think I would talk down and so 569 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: if you hurt me I would be like boo, boo, boo. 570 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: It would be nice having those conversations already happened. Yet 571 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: it's like why, you know, why bring it on stage? 572 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: Obviously it's it's a show, but why make it even 573 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: way worse, you know, than it already is? Obviously that's 574 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: what we live for and stuff, but I think there's 575 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: the there's the point. It's like, all right, I want 576 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: to be the one that's right at the end of this. 577 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: I want to want I want to be the one 578 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: that looks the best at the end of this, and 579 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: I think a lot of that, a lot of the 580 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: emotion that, you know, came out of racial was partially that. That's, 581 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, just kind of my opinion that and I 582 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: think it goes back to what you said before. I 583 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: think everything would have been better if there was an 584 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: accepted apology, like I'm not going to choose you in 585 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: the end. This isn't gonna be but I accept your apology. 586 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, do you know what? Maybe it wasn't 587 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: even so much like a talking down to I guess 588 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: it was. Normally, when we see these, it's more of 589 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: a fight, it's more of like his side her side, 590 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: and in this case it just didn't seem like you 591 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: was well, well, it seems like you know, isn't prepared 592 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: to fight back. He just he just like he was 593 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: just like, ah, I will sit here and get crushed 594 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: and then my life will return back to normal and 595 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: I will go into hiding. It was acceptance of crushing. 596 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: There just was no fighting back, which I think, or 597 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: you know, there was like maybe a small attempt, but 598 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: like it's just there was a powerhouse and then a 599 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: weak house back it would look worse and honestly, he 600 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: probably think of it like it's they had the exact 601 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: same conversation in the House that they had on the 602 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: chair and nothing they did. It wasn't like there should 603 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: have been a little more molding and prepping of that 604 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: conversation so something else would happen. And before I leave 605 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,479 Speaker 1: this conversation, I do want to say that, like I know, 606 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: people will give us lots of crap. Again, I'm saying 607 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: this again, Um, that people will give us lots of 608 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: crap before defending a cheater. And again, I'm not really 609 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,479 Speaker 1: trying to defend a cheater here, I'm really not. I 610 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: think that there was just a lot that was missing 611 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: and I wanted a lot more contexts Um and I 612 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,719 Speaker 1: do want to watch the show back again. I really, 613 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: really wanted to watch that part again and like analyze everything. 614 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: So I am an open book. Please send all your 615 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: thoughts to me about what unfolded and tell me where 616 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: I'm wrong and all that. I actually got a text 617 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 1: from one of my best friends this morning. She had 618 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: no idea, like she didn't see me on social media 619 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: at all responding to this. She goes, I need to 620 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: know how you feel about Tino and Rachel on stage 621 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: with Avan. I have never been so happy with that. 622 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: I hate cheating of any kind and I was really 623 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: not taking and he really wasn't taking responsibility and when 624 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 1: even came out, I was so happy all caps, mainly 625 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: because Rachel was so happy, and that's why I watched 626 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,439 Speaker 1: the show for a happy ending. But I know some 627 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: people feel bad, but that expose him and make him 628 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: feel like an ass, make him feel stupid. On live 629 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: TV he got engaged kissed another girl. I was shocked 630 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 1: and happy, but never did feel bad. I'm an aries 631 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: and I'm heartless and but wow, I'm shocked. Enjoy Italy. 632 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: have lots of pasta, wine and Gelato, I guess. Yeah, 633 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: there's two sides. I guess there there is six percent. 634 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: He said that we're really happy to watch it. I 635 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: just think again, after you've been in a position of 636 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: just having thrown at you, you have more empathy towards 637 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: someone which we're watching the show before I went on 638 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: and I'd probably been like save with her. Yeah, but again, 639 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: I think we've all seen the repercussions of what happens 640 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: after that TV show turns off and, like the D M, 641 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: do you get the letters? You get your family getting 642 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: death threats, like that's not what we want and I 643 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: think from our end we're saying it could have been 644 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: a little nicer. Right. What was missing was Tino's Dad, 645 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: Mr Franco. That's who wasn't there last night and I 646 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: thought he was going to be the next barb. But 647 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: now I think about it more and I think about 648 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: how this ended and I'm like, Noah, they didn't need 649 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 1: that extra layer there. So what do you guys think 650 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: about his absence? Yeah, because barb was in Peter's Corner 651 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: and Peter was the main character, so that made sense. 652 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: The main character that you know, dad doesn't need to 653 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: be there and we don't need to throw any more 654 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 1: hate towards that. I don't think they needed it. I 655 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think they needed it at all. 656 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: But I'm guessing from a perspective would have been Nice 657 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 1: ousone in his corner and like optics from the audience, 658 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: like when everyone's booing ivetad would have been like, oh 659 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 1: my God, they would have had to have that seven 660 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: second delay. Would have had to have been yeah, that 661 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: would have been good to me. Oh my goodness. Okay, well, guys, 662 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: guess what? We just spent forty minutes analyzing the Tino 663 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: and Rachel showdown and after this break we're going to 664 00:36:47,560 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 1: discuss gabby and Eric. Alrighty, righty, righty, Um. We have 665 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: got to talk about Gabby and Eric. So were you 666 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: guys surprised to see him get down one knee? I 667 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: was a little surprised because we had that freak out 668 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: moment where we weren't sure whether or not he was 669 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: ready to get engaged. Um. But I will say the 670 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,959 Speaker 1: little yellow box and a lot of Gabby's expressions along 671 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: the way during the live show made me feel like 672 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: she was very happy and uh, I okay. So I 673 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: wasn't as surprised at that moment to see him get 674 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: down one knee. That that I would have been. You know, 675 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,879 Speaker 1: last week I've been more surprised by paradise engagements than 676 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: by that engagement last night. So not super surprised. But again, 677 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: I's always doubt. Yeah, always, I mean I was I 678 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: wasn't that surprised because I feel like, Um, obviously that's 679 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: the end goal here on the show and you know, 680 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,399 Speaker 1: even he talked about how, Um, you know, he never 681 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: watched the show and he was it was gonna be 682 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: really hard for him to to, you know, be get 683 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: an engagement at the end of the show. But if 684 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: you feel you feel it. I'm kind of sick of 685 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: that narrative. I feel like we see it, we've seen 686 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: it a lot lately in the past couple seasons, and 687 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: that well, I'm not ready to get engaged. It's like, yeah, 688 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,439 Speaker 1: that's like literally the point of the show. Play a lot, 689 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,280 Speaker 1: just play. That has been that has been a big narrative. 690 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 1: You're right. Can we think of other narratives to push 691 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,800 Speaker 1: versus like, Huh, well, I'm sure about getting engaged? Yeah, 692 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: there's a higher like there's more concerning things we could 693 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: come up with for people. Yes, but but to that 694 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: point when you go on the show before, you're like 695 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,800 Speaker 1: I am so ready to get engaged, like yes, but 696 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: when you get to the serious point of the show 697 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: and you're like, holy sh I might get engaged after this, 698 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: then you start thinking, well, am I ready to get engaged? 699 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: You don't really think like that until that opportunity is 700 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: in front of you. Um, so it's completely different from 701 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,959 Speaker 1: thank you. Thank you, Chris, for bringing that up, because 702 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: you have been in that point of the process multiple times, 703 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: as Anna and I have not been so great. Okay, 704 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: thank you for bringing us into bachelor reality. Now we now. 705 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,800 Speaker 1: I guess the real question is, were you guys shocked 706 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:23,240 Speaker 1: to see them? What seems to be happy now, after 707 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: lots of things have come out about him, the blackface 708 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 1: moment wasn't brought up. Kind of interesting. The moment that 709 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: I thought would really shake their relationship was the text 710 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 1: thing that came out this week. You guys are familiar, 711 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: but I will recap for the FANDOM. Um, they last 712 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: week Eric was there was a girl that came out 713 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: that said that she and Eric were dating before the 714 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: show and that it was that like he wanted to 715 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: get back together with her after the show, because he said, 716 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: it's just a show. It's in my my priority here 717 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 1: is to get opportunities. You know, it's off pretty much fake. 718 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 1: They even showed the text on the screen. I thought 719 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,479 Speaker 1: it was crazy that they that they showed the text 720 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 1: on the screen. I was like, Rabo, this is good, 721 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 1: this is good stuff. Uh, this is like let's like, 722 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: let's have him respond to it directly, and he did. 723 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: You know, he said, like he didn't really understand the 724 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 1: show until he was on it, didn't really understand the 725 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: feelings that he could like develop on the show. Uh, 726 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: and he did. said that he apped up and like 727 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,760 Speaker 1: he said sorry. You know right, he said sorry. But 728 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,840 Speaker 1: I guess my question here is do you think that 729 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: it rattled their relationship, especially coming out last week, like, 730 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: do you think that he ever said this to Gabby 731 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: before it came out this week? Why? My answer is no, 732 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: I don't think this ever kep up to Gabby until 733 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: last week. And to do you think that? My question 734 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 1: to you. Do you think that it rattled him or 735 00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 1: rattled them more than it appeared? And my thought is 736 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: he did, and it was just like, Oh man, the 737 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: live show is right around the corner. My dancing with 738 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: the stars from mirror is right around the corner. I'm 739 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: not dealing with this right now, but I think they 740 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: probably had a very, very rough week. I but they 741 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: did say they talked about it before. Oh, they didn't 742 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,919 Speaker 1: feel like a straight up live then. Oh, I'm sorry, 743 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I missed you. I'm sorry, I missing okay, 744 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: she was like he brought it up to me before 745 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: we even started the text surface. So okay, okay, he's 746 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,240 Speaker 1: been nothing but upfront, which I don't I believe him. 747 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 1: Like if I was, I'm horrible at Dumping People. So 748 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,240 Speaker 1: I get his excuse of like, Oh, I'll come back 749 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 1: to you, I wasn't into yeah, he was like I 750 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,720 Speaker 1: wasn't that into her. I don't know. I I believe 751 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: what he was saying. It's crappy, but it's like not 752 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: the worst. It's not going and kissing another girl while 753 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 1: you're engaged again. This comes back to like you don't 754 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,919 Speaker 1: know what you're getting yourself into unless until you're like good, 755 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 1: close to the end and things get serious. So if 756 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: he's like hey, like I'm just gonna go and I'll 757 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,760 Speaker 1: probably be gone by week three and we'll come back and, 758 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, maybe I'll get some instagram ads out of this, 759 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: we can get back to our relationship. But I mean, 760 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 1: he obviously likes the girl, but I do think it's rattled. 761 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: I still think there's gonna be you know, that's going 762 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 1: to kind of come up. The whole black face thing. 763 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,439 Speaker 1: That wasn't brought up. Was it not brought up last 764 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 1: week either? Like that's that's crazy. He did apologize on 765 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: Instagram last week not to bring it up. Put the 766 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: text on the screen to distract people. Again. ATTENTION SPAN 767 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: is short. A lot of people follow for it. But 768 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 1: what text on the SGRAM? Oh, the text message, the 769 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,879 Speaker 1: text message on this day. That was like a shocking moment. 770 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 1: Both of us are seeing there were like they're not, 771 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,879 Speaker 1: they're not gonna, like are we on with the springer 772 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: around Jared Springer? But yeah, I think it was a 773 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,760 Speaker 1: smoke and mirror show too for the show to again 774 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 1: just they don't they obviously haven't handled situations from the 775 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,319 Speaker 1: past the best, but it's just it's even worse when 776 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 1: you don't even acknowledge it. I mean I don't think 777 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,839 Speaker 1: that the Matt and Rachel issue was dealt appropriately, you know, 778 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,360 Speaker 1: perfectly at all, Um and I don't think this was 779 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,799 Speaker 1: handled and it's just amazing that in two years, not 780 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 1: even we had that moment where she's, you know, an address, 781 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: and then we have a black face moment and they're 782 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: just they're just it's just one completely one eighty. Could 783 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 1: have given him like obviously it deserves more than this, 784 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: but anything is better than nothing. They could have given 785 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: him a minute to talk and yeah, kind of show 786 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: like this was wrong. But if I not bringing it up, 787 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: it's like the show's kind of condoning it. I don't 788 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: want him canceled, like I'm not saying that. I don't 789 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not into that, but I but yeah, 790 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,720 Speaker 1: but that it's just like it's crazy that the difference 791 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: in the situations. I agree with like, if you do 792 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 1: it to someone, that it's got to happen or there's 793 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,440 Speaker 1: got to be an opportunity to talk about or discuss 794 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 1: it or at least bring it up, because you can't. 795 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 1: You can't do one thing one time and then do 796 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: it completely different. Yeah, yeah, it's just hypocrisy and the 797 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 1: show feels like it's taking steps back again, which sucks 798 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,360 Speaker 1: as the viewer. Alright, guys, I have just minutes left 799 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: with you, but we must talk about the new bachelor, 800 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:33,279 Speaker 1: and that is Zack and Um. It's just interesting. I'm 801 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: just not this is my problem with it. Zactlys like 802 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 1: a super nice guy. Not. I'm not against Zack Um. 803 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 1: I am interested as to why they would pick a 804 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 1: bachelor from basically the lowest rate season of the Bachelorette, 805 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 1: because all we're gonna do is perpetuate the low ratings 806 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,920 Speaker 1: because the people who you know, we we got a 807 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 1: small proportion of what was bachelor nation five years ago 808 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,360 Speaker 1: watching the a season. So you're not gonna get back 809 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 1: any of that old audience by choosing a new guy. 810 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: I really wanted a throwback, a stunt casting and when 811 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 1: I need to throwback, I'm not saying far, far back. 812 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,319 Speaker 1: You don't have to go back like with Ari, but even, like, yeah, 813 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,719 Speaker 1: like like a Mike Johnson would have been great, Um, 814 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:22,759 Speaker 1: because he's still a fan favorite. Like he freaking slammed 815 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 1: our Audrey's, our coffee shopping lounge like insanely. Um, Peter, 816 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,280 Speaker 1: I mean, man, Oh man, do we love a Peter Krause. 817 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 1: He is a little bit more of a throwback from 818 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: Rachel's season, but that is a bachelor, you know, like 819 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,439 Speaker 1: I would have if you want a two bachelor acts, 820 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 1: then get your two bachelors with Mike and Peter, and 821 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,840 Speaker 1: then you can have people for multiple seasons coming together. 822 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,279 Speaker 1: I feel bad for Zach getting any hate, but I 823 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 1: think it's just the fandom being like we need somebody 824 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 1: thrilling and you're a nice guy, but you're certainly not 825 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 1: thrilling your thoughts. You just it's like if you asked 826 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,720 Speaker 1: him AI system to spit out with the next batter, 827 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna look like it was nothing surprising. It 828 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,880 Speaker 1: was just like boring. Um, I'm huge of like let's 829 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 1: just throw money at Tyler's and get could do it, 830 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 1: because that would be. Oh, guys, I was on the 831 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,160 Speaker 1: pay tyler's C train, like I was chugging on it. 832 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 1: We were like to Cho pay tyler should see. gave 833 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,319 Speaker 1: him anything he wants. It's the only way that I 834 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,520 Speaker 1: thought you could have truly picked up the franchise, especially podcast, 835 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 1: being like I love to date, I love to date women. 836 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,400 Speaker 1: Dating is my favorite. I saw it was a campaign 837 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 1: for him, who loves to date. He would be insane 838 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 1: to do it, absolutely insane to do it. Yeah, it would. 839 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 1: It would give him nothing. He already has so much 840 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,719 Speaker 1: and you want skeletons brought up and how that bs 841 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:53,640 Speaker 1: like that guy would be insane to do it. I 842 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,680 Speaker 1: feel like the past couple of times there's been a lead, 843 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,840 Speaker 1: no one's liked them. I mean what people really like? Gabby, 844 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,640 Speaker 1: people are really sorry, but it's like you talk about 845 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,000 Speaker 1: a boy lead because, well, I mean Matt. I personally 846 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,839 Speaker 1: really enjoy Matt as a human. I think the thing 847 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,640 Speaker 1: was people were like a random batch, a bachelor, a 848 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: friend of Tyler, not Tis um, but like, you know, 849 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,400 Speaker 1: he was handsome and we'd liked Matt Right, but like 850 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,759 Speaker 1: we just were like this guy isn't part of the 851 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,840 Speaker 1: Bachelor nation. And then we had Clayton, which literally no 852 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 1: offense to Clayton and everyone, and I hate when people 853 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 1: say no offense and then totally demoralized them and the 854 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 1: next sentence. But like nobody cared about Clayton, and I 855 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,160 Speaker 1: think this is the same thing as Clayton. No one 856 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,200 Speaker 1: really cares Um. But yeah, I agree with that. Should 857 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:48,279 Speaker 1: have done a throw back's yeah, he's about to be 858 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,640 Speaker 1: remember that was like the whole thing in a fantasy suitets, 859 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,239 Speaker 1: like ready for engagement and you're Styeng and you're so young. 860 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,000 Speaker 1: But Ben and Colton were both twenty six as well 861 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:04,279 Speaker 1: as like Ben, that is the oldest sold of all time. 862 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,799 Speaker 1: Ben Is the oldest soul of all time. But also 863 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:11,600 Speaker 1: mat was. I don't think. Oh, yeah, I don't. Yeah, 864 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,160 Speaker 1: but then you're bringing on what are you bringing on? 865 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 1: Girls that are about the younger ages, because then it's 866 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,319 Speaker 1: all girls who are ready for marriage. Well, you guys 867 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,680 Speaker 1: should go to bachelor data. She has a couple of 868 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,480 Speaker 1: posts about this and how, like, at the end of 869 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,359 Speaker 1: the day, even when people complain about younger ages, we've 870 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,960 Speaker 1: always been within like a year and a half of 871 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,719 Speaker 1: the same like median or average age. So so check 872 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,239 Speaker 1: it out of the show. It's just young people finding yeah, 873 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,040 Speaker 1: older people can't, but I think it's because the fandom 874 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,840 Speaker 1: is getting older. I think it's more of a millennial show. 875 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,400 Speaker 1: But again, bachelor data. Let us know how you feel. 876 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,960 Speaker 1: How what how the actual stats play out? All right, 877 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,560 Speaker 1: I need to wrap this, but I also cannot leave 878 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,920 Speaker 1: you without talking about your fationship. So I'm gonna take 879 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,120 Speaker 1: a quick break and then get back to your love. 880 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,919 Speaker 1: Give us the fairy tale ending that we didn't. Well, 881 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:19,760 Speaker 1: we got half of yesterday. So one second and we're 882 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 1: back with Anna Redmond and Chris Bukowski. Y'All, how did 883 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,879 Speaker 1: you meet? How did you fall in love and move 884 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,920 Speaker 1: in together? Are we living together? Oh, I thought you 885 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 1: were living together. Um, uh, Joe and Serna kind of 886 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,360 Speaker 1: set us up. We were both single and sad around 887 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,359 Speaker 1: the holiday and in Chicago. You're both from Chicago. Well, 888 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,560 Speaker 1: Chris Liss and Chris has lived everywhere. He was living 889 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,040 Speaker 1: in Colorado, but his family's here, so he was back. 890 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 1: I think it was around Thanksgiving time. Um, we went 891 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,120 Speaker 1: on a date, it went well, we like each other 892 00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:00,200 Speaker 1: and then here here's what happened. We'll make it. We'll 893 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,520 Speaker 1: make this quick and sweet, alright, but also, but also 894 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,759 Speaker 1: make it romantic. Okay, we have another BAS donation couple here. 895 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,400 Speaker 1: It's something too, as Ben would say, celebrate. You know what, 896 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,720 Speaker 1: it's not that romantic to start because we got really 897 00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,359 Speaker 1: sick together and all. Yeah, we both had our second date. 898 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,400 Speaker 1: We had the stomach blue. It was awful, but you 899 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:24,640 Speaker 1: suffered through it together. Room veil. That doesn't sound weird 900 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,120 Speaker 1: that was their second day, but it's a lot. It 901 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,440 Speaker 1: was a long distance relationships and each other was like 902 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 1: kind of to go on a trip and Um, we 903 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,319 Speaker 1: both got to veil and we got so sick. Like 904 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,160 Speaker 1: thank God the bathroom was kind of like, in a way, 905 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,440 Speaker 1: separate area, like we had this cool, sweet otherwise I 906 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,879 Speaker 1: think I would have tapped out, like it was so bad. 907 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,200 Speaker 1: But it was kind of funny because at the end 908 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,480 Speaker 1: of it we're like, okay, if we just went through 909 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,240 Speaker 1: that and we still have feelings for each other, yes, 910 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,120 Speaker 1: it's like it's good. And then, yeah, he just kept 911 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,640 Speaker 1: flying up to see we flew back and forth, and 912 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:03,440 Speaker 1: then now we're in the same city living together, so 913 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,560 Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah, but mad, mad thanks to Joe, because 914 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,440 Speaker 1: we were sitting at a bar and he's like you 915 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,960 Speaker 1: should text or d m Anna, and I'm like, I 916 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,120 Speaker 1: have no idea who you're talking about. I really didn't 917 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,120 Speaker 1: watch the show. And I'm like, Oh, she's, you know, 918 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,879 Speaker 1: pretty my my type, and Um, whatever that is. But yeah, 919 00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,720 Speaker 1: but in my type now. Um, and he's like messenge 920 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,879 Speaker 1: her right now. So I D M Her on instagram 921 00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,920 Speaker 1: and he's like, you have to go out her tonight, 922 00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:28,960 Speaker 1: but she was in Minnesota. So we set up a 923 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,520 Speaker 1: date for the following week and uh yeah, Um, went 924 00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,160 Speaker 1: on a date and then kind of reconnected like three, 925 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,120 Speaker 1: four weeks later in veil and got really stick together 926 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,040 Speaker 1: and then that's it. Yeah, but yeah, it was just 927 00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,600 Speaker 1: crazy and when I sat down I was like, Dang, 928 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:51,000 Speaker 1: he's cute. Yeah, did you okay? Well, you guys live together, 929 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,040 Speaker 1: so I'm allowed to ask you this, like tell us 930 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,160 Speaker 1: the moment that you said I love you. M M 931 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,160 Speaker 1: it was pretty far. It wasn't. It was like three 932 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:06,040 Speaker 1: months for me. It was like around Valentine's Day, which 933 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:10,680 Speaker 1: was so February, December, January. Yeah, he definitely was more 934 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,719 Speaker 1: vocal at first and I was like kind of scared, Um, 935 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,640 Speaker 1: but then it was just like I don't know, love 936 00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,200 Speaker 1: his love and it like hits you and you're like, 937 00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:24,160 Speaker 1: holy crap, this is great but also terrifying. So, yeah, 938 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:30,319 Speaker 1: this is anker. I love it. Did you so like 939 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,560 Speaker 1: you move? You're moving in. You've been to get been 940 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,200 Speaker 1: the same place for now for how long? Um, well, 941 00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,440 Speaker 1: we've basically lived together since. We haven't like spent time 942 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,600 Speaker 1: of art since day because we'd be going back and forth, 943 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,560 Speaker 1: like I'd spent a week in Colorado and then he'd 944 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,279 Speaker 1: come and spend like a month in Chicago, crash by 945 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,520 Speaker 1: place my roommate. It was. It was quite the situation. 946 00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,759 Speaker 1: And then he was back here in Chicago. We got it. 947 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 1: He has a condoct here, so he was living there 948 00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,120 Speaker 1: for a while and then I was were never apart 949 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,160 Speaker 1: and that keep his friend wanted to move into his 950 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,680 Speaker 1: place and we were like should we do it? So yes, 951 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,560 Speaker 1: she was saying like Oh, let's do it next March. 952 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, I would have moved in with you like 953 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,320 Speaker 1: six months ago. I was like okay, let's do it. 954 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,919 Speaker 1: How cute. Okay. Well, my next question was gonna be 955 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:23,080 Speaker 1: like have is there any like living situation like annoyances 956 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,480 Speaker 1: so far, but I guess, like not really, or come on, 957 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 1: or he knows that drives me up. Do you put 958 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,919 Speaker 1: your hangers back after you take it and you put 959 00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,520 Speaker 1: the hangars where the empty hangars are so they all 960 00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:41,399 Speaker 1: don't get lost? I'm actually on this. Sometimes I'll keep 961 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,759 Speaker 1: it on the chair and so that like I have 962 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,920 Speaker 1: the hangar there when I go and hang up my 963 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,480 Speaker 1: close at the end of the day. Or then sometimes 964 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,480 Speaker 1: I do put it back with like hanging up so 965 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,480 Speaker 1: that I can like see where the spot was exactly. Actually, 966 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,480 Speaker 1: that's what I do. I put the hangar where I 967 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:59,279 Speaker 1: took the shirt off. Okay, out, like it's not in 968 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,640 Speaker 1: law that I am team, it's on this because I 969 00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,279 Speaker 1: like to say, like the whole point is so that 970 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,640 Speaker 1: I know where the hangar is when I hanging up 971 00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,560 Speaker 1: at the end of it for him. All right, well, 972 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:15,520 Speaker 1: well then, Chris. What does Anna do that's annoying to you? Um, well, 973 00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:20,000 Speaker 1: our sleep schedules and our diets are completely different. But okay, 974 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,160 Speaker 1: she was. She slips her food, like her sup cereal. 975 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:29,520 Speaker 1: That's a bad one, pretty long, but it's cute, at 976 00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,239 Speaker 1: least when she does it. Like I can't even eat 977 00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,279 Speaker 1: dinner with my dad because he slips his soups or 978 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,480 Speaker 1: like his food so loud. So if it's hot, how 979 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:44,320 Speaker 1: that's so funny. OCES with each other. Not Bad, not, 980 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,279 Speaker 1: not bad. I told jared the other day he was 981 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,600 Speaker 1: like the way he eats ice cream is like so funny. 982 00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,120 Speaker 1: It's not disgusting or anything. It's almost like he's like 983 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,479 Speaker 1: he almost treats it like it's like gold going into 984 00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,280 Speaker 1: his mouth. And I'm like the other day I've always 985 00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,759 Speaker 1: said to him like the past Cole month and like 986 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,279 Speaker 1: the way you eat ice cream is so funny. It's 987 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,880 Speaker 1: like it's the way it's like. I can't you just 988 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,000 Speaker 1: eat it like it's like a treasure. And then the 989 00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,840 Speaker 1: other day I was just like in a mood and 990 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,960 Speaker 1: I was like I hate the way you eat ice cream. 991 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,600 Speaker 1: You should see her eat like we have these freeze POPs. 992 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,200 Speaker 1: It's the most obnoxious thing. Oh, he does the freeze 993 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,759 Speaker 1: POPs too, like the old nineties things that are long 994 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,520 Speaker 1: and he pushes them through. He does. He eats those 995 00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,440 Speaker 1: like multiple times and I'm like I get that. You're 996 00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:33,040 Speaker 1: enjoying it. Can you enjoyed a little bit quieter? Okay, 997 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,160 Speaker 1: that might be an issue that grows. We'll see. Um 998 00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,200 Speaker 1: But guys, I do think that you are a very 999 00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,719 Speaker 1: cute couple and I have really enjoyed and appreciate you 1000 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,400 Speaker 1: being here with me today. I think that we're on 1001 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,239 Speaker 1: the same page about a lot of things. We had 1002 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:50,200 Speaker 1: a really good, they're all understanding conversation of what went 1003 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,840 Speaker 1: on and, Um, I'm just glad that I got to 1004 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,040 Speaker 1: do it with you. Thanks for having US actually, and 1005 00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:02,160 Speaker 1: I will. I will all right, thanks, I'm excited. I'll 1006 00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:08,120 Speaker 1: go slurt my Gelado. Okay, see you, guys. 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