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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back Man, season two of All the Smoke. We got

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Speaker 1: a real special guys, what's up with your brody with

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Speaker 1: the virtual handshake? I'm gonna tell ya something that I

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Speaker 1: never told go back, I want to smoke. Welcome Back

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Speaker 1: All the Smoke Season two with a very special guest today. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Steven Jackson had to attend to a family emergency, so

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Speaker 1: he won't be with us today. But I have my

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Speaker 1: former coach mentor someone I look up to in this space,

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Speaker 1: Steve Kerr. Welcome to the show, Matt. Thanks for having

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Speaker 1: me on. Appreciate it. Thanks for your time. You just

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Speaker 1: told me I didn't know. But you guys are out

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Speaker 1: there in the Bay Area and your bubble right now practicing.

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Speaker 1: How's that going. It's going well. You know, we were

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Speaker 1: obviously one of the eight teams that that didn't qualify

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Speaker 1: for Orlando, and so some of that was a positive.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest to the type of season

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Speaker 1: we had. We didn't really want to go down to Orlando,

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Speaker 1: sit in a hotel room for a month and and

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Speaker 1: play meaningless games. On the other hand, as we watched

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Speaker 1: all those teams playing and we were not able to

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Speaker 1: get together ourselves and practice, we realized how quickly we

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Speaker 1: were falling behind. So, you know, all eight teams now

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Speaker 1: have been given this space by the league, and so

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Speaker 1: everybody's doing an in market bubble. So we're in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: We're just going back and forth from the hotel to

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Speaker 1: and um it's been really productive. So UM, you know,

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Speaker 1: trying to make the best of the situation. How long

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Speaker 1: do you guys actually are in this this uh, this bubble.

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Speaker 1: It's it's two weeks, um, and it's um, it's totally voluntary. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, this was not something that was required. UM.

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Speaker 1: So we have most of our guys here, Steph and

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Speaker 1: Draymond or not. They both had family stuff that they

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Speaker 1: needed to tend to. But we've got the rest of

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Speaker 1: the group. Clay is here, Andrew Wiggins, all of our

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Speaker 1: some players from our G League team as well. And

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Speaker 1: the biggest thing, honestly, Matt, is just the guys getting

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Speaker 1: like six months. I mean, it's been a long time.

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Speaker 1: So just to feel the contact and the joy of

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Speaker 1: How's Clay looked. I mean, obviously the world has been

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Speaker 1: waiting on his comeback. I love that he got to

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Speaker 1: actually take the adequate amount of time because I feel

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Speaker 1: like too often as players were rushed back or you know,

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Speaker 1: Clay got to take the right amount of time to

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Speaker 1: Thompson next year. How's he been with this kind of

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Speaker 1: being his first run, first contact in a long time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Clay's looked great. And I've seen him a couple of

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Speaker 1: there's no way that that it would be given that

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Speaker 1: he's healthy, he's feeling good, and it's been great to

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Speaker 1: We'll get back to basketball a little bit. We're gonna,

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Speaker 1: you know, start with some other stuff. Obviously, we're in

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Speaker 1: a crazy time right now in our country. You've been

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Speaker 1: someone I've admired from a standpoint if you haven't let

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Speaker 1: your position of who you are hold back your true feelings.

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Speaker 1: You've always been very outspoken and passionate when you speak.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, you've always been someone outspoken. Obviously, I

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Speaker 1: You know, it was a different time, totally different era. Um.

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Speaker 1: just had everything to do with humanity and and um,

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Speaker 1: and we all have this enormous platform given the state

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Speaker 1: it's anonymous, right, they go hand in hand now and

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Speaker 1: now and I I want also who speak out, But

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Speaker 1: I think, like you said, it's people with platforms and

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Speaker 1: through our careers we've been able to, you know, build

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Speaker 1: people listen. So we're obviously in tune with other things

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Speaker 1: I applaud you at the position you take, in the

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Speaker 1: don't always politically correct, I guess, but they're socially and

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Speaker 1: read some incredible books, um that have taught me so

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Speaker 1: I can said you do a great job of utilizing

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Speaker 1: your platform to speak what you've learned. Um. Fast forward

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Speaker 1: the players to continue to carry their their messages through

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Speaker 1: social justice and the initiatives that the NBA has put

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Speaker 1: a small part of change. Yeah. I thought the league

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Speaker 1: creating a safe environment and the bubble, by really every

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Speaker 1: the court for a couple of hours and lose yourself

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00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 1: in the game and be with your friends and and

431
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, feel the endorphin kick of of you know,

432
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: intense energy and exercise. It all helps. It's very therapeutic,

433
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: and it it you know, people might think it sounds insensitive,

434
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 1: but it's really not. It's it's just part of part

435
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: of that process of immediate grief. You know that the

436
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 1: game was like the the one thing during the day

437
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: that I could look forward to. Yeah, that was that

438
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: was to say, I played two days after my mom passed,

439
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: and so, like you said, lose yourself for that two

440
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: and a half hours to just something you love. Although

441
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: every time there was a foul call or a whistle

442
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: was blown, you you know, you obviously revert back to

443
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: missing your father, to missing my mom. But basketball was

444
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: a huge part and obviously my supports this and which

445
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: was my team with the Golden State Warriors at the time.

446
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: With that, we believe team was tremendous and in kind

447
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: of you know, being a shoulder to lean on and

448
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: allowing me to be okay, to agree and be those

449
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: people you needed them to be. It was. It was

450
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 1: a special experience. But like I said, I really think

451
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: basketball helped me transition through that point in my life. Well,

452
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: your teammates become a family for sure, especially you know,

453
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: a team like that. I mean, you know, I remember

454
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: I was in broadcasting at the time, and I did

455
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: I did some of your games, and I remember you

456
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: going through that loss, and I remember, um, you know,

457
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: just um, and of course we knew each other already

458
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: because you had been in Phoenix, uh before that when

459
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: I was in management with the Sons and and so

460
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: I was, you know it just feeling for you and

461
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: watching you and and just um knowing exactly what you

462
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 1: were going through because I went through the same thing.

463
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: But that game and your teammates, that's what you have

464
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: to rely on. Absolutely. Um. How special was that final

465
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: four team? You guys had? You know him and saying

466
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: the guy Sean Elliott, Kenny Lofton, Tom Tolbert, Anthony Cook,

467
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: a young Jed Bushler. What was it? What was that experience?

468
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: Like I think Kansas with Danny Manning won the championship

469
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: that year. If I'm not mistaken. Yeah, we lost to

470
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: Oklahoma in the final four. It's the one game, Matt,

471
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: honestly that I still think about to this day. I

472
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: don't think about I don't think about any of the

473
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: good ones. I really don't. I only I only think

474
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: about that one because I played so poorly and I

475
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: shot two for thirteen, not that I you know, have

476
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: kept tracked, and uh, it was so painful, um because

477
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: we had a we had an incredible team sodid Oklahoma

478
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: and they were fantastic and they beat us and then

479
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: Kansas says, you said they upset him in the finals.

480
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: But I think about that game still. This season was

481
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: so special. Those guys remain my best friends to this day,

482
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: the guys from that team, and you know, we still

483
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: have that that bond that's going to exist forever. So

484
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: I've been lucky just to not only be on great teams,

485
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: but beyond teams that just were really close, you know,

486
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: and and where I made really good friends and so

487
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: much fun to stay in touch with old teammates, you know,

488
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 1: just touch base. W It's great. Absolutely. When this is

489
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: a two part question, when did the NBA become reality?

490
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: And then once you made it, when did you feel

491
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: like you found your footing in the NBA and you

492
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: felt like you belonged. Man, That's a that's a great question. Um,

493
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: it really didn't become a reality to me. I guess

494
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: I've realized my senior year in college that maybe I

495
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: had a chance, um, and I got drafted. It was

496
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: the last pick in the second round by the Suns,

497
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: And when I made the team, it didn't feel like

498
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: I was really there yet. I just was on the

499
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: end of the roster. So the next few years, I

500
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: got traded to Cleveland, played for Lenny Wilkins, who was

501
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 1: a good, fantastic coach. We have really good teams with

502
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: Mark Price and Brad Doherty, Marry Nance, Craigy Lowe, Ron

503
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: Harper Um and I found my footing, uh for for

504
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: a couple of seasons. During that time, I had had

505
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: a couple of good years, but but I was really

506
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: still a fringe guy for most of my career, And

507
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: to be honest, I'm not sure I ever felt a

508
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: comfortable that I belonged, you know I And maybe that's

509
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: what drove me. I always just kind of felt like,

510
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: you know, I could get cut at any time, and

511
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: so as a result, I put in the work and

512
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: I competed, and uh, and I just kept sticking around

513
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: and um and yeah, I ended up playing fifteen years,

514
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: which is sort of shocking. Um, I still can't believe

515
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: that that my career lasted that long. But now I was.

516
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: I was fortunate and and I kind of ended up

517
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: on in the right place at the right time in

518
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:58,239
Speaker 1: a lot of cases. Absolutely, Uh with Chicago, you end

519
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: up in Chicago, And uh, you guys go on a

520
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: three pet run from nineties six, obviously, with the last

521
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: dance being such a huge success and winning a lot

522
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: of awards. What do you remember from that time? Obviously,

523
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure that refreshed you a lot, whether things that

524
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: you saw there, like that ship didn't happen that way,

525
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: or things you completely forgot. What was the experience like

526
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: kind of going because you guys missed the social media generation,

527
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, so this that was almost like us being

528
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: able to see social media version of you and Michael

529
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: Jordan's Scottie Pipot and Phil and Dennis and all this

530
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: stuff you guys went through. What was it like just

531
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: sitting back, like watching stuff that happened over twenty years ago?

532
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: It was really fun because you know, at the time,

533
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: they didn't have all the sort of Heart Knocks style shows,

534
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, um with teams like nobody was allowed behind

535
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: the scenes. Yeah, no, behind the scenes at all. Nothing,

536
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: nothing like even NBA Entertainment. You know, they might be

537
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: allowed in the locker room during the championship celebration, but

538
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: you'd never see a camera and a team meeting. Um.

539
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: You know, you'd never you know how now like you know,

540
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: let's let's listen in on Frank Vogel during his halftime

541
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: speech during the platform that's never never never. Um. So

542
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: when Phil told us that the cameras were going to

543
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: be behind the scenes, and you know why he was

544
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: allowing it, it was kind of shocking. And then seeing

545
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: all those guys every day was really weird. The first

546
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: month it was, you just felt so exposed. And I'm

547
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: still not sure it was a great idea. UM. I

548
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: don't think I would allow it as a coach. I

549
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: think I think it's you're opening yourself up to a

550
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: lot of potential problems. Um. But I'm really glad that

551
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: that it happened because now, you know, to watch it

552
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: twenty two years or later, especially with my kids who

553
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: were babies at the time, you know, Um, and now

554
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: they're all grown up. So to to watch with them

555
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: and for them to see kind of what life was

556
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: like for me back then, was was really fun. What

557
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: was it like? I mean, I'm sure this is a

558
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: common question playing with Mike. Um. You know we heard

559
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: you guys had your differences at times, but just overall,

560
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: him as a teammate, him as a competitor, and is

561
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: there a friendship there's Is there a friendship there? There's Uh,

562
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: there's there's a mutual respect that that exists, and and uh,

563
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: we don't really stay in touch, um, but we see

564
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: each other maybe once or twice a year, whether it's

565
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: at at a game in Charlotte or All Star weekend

566
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: or you know, maybe a golf tournament or something in

567
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: Lake Tahoe. Like we've we've we just seemed to run

568
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: into each other once in a while because we're kind of,

569
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, traveling the same circuit. And there's always it's

570
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: always a great reunion, you know, He's Um, it's so

571
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: much fun to kind of relive those days and to

572
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: ask about, you know, our teammates and talk about you know,

573
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: the good times back then and being his teammate was hard. Um.

574
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: You know, he he was really tough on everybody because

575
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 1: his whole philosophy was he had to toughen us up

576
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: to get us ready for the playoffs in the finals,

577
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: and so he came after us and you had to

578
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: you had to stand up to him. He had to

579
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: sort of survive the the MJ test, you know, and

580
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: and the guys who who survived it. Um, he had

581
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: immense respect for him. And so you know, people know

582
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: about the fight I got into him and I that

583
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: we got into two together, and um, that was just

584
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: about him kind of testing me and uh, and I

585
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: probably the best thing I ever did was not you know,

586
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: not take his his crap, and you know, stood back

587
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: up and he respected it and we got along ever since.

588
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: So that was a similar you know, obviously we weren't

589
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: teammates at the time, but like I said, I think

590
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: getting a chance to play against Kobe for so long

591
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: and he'll test you mentally physically obviously as an opponent. Um.

592
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: But then you know, it came to a head in

593
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: the in the two thousand nine, two thousand ten situation

594
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: with the ball fake, and you know, we almost ended

595
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: up fighting at that point. But what a lot of

596
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 1: people didn't know was at the end of that season,

597
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: he personally called me. I didn't even have his number

598
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: for some reason. I just picked up and it was him.

599
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: He's just like, you know, anyone crazy enough to funk

600
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: with me, is crazy enough to play with me? Do

601
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: you do you want to be a Laker? And you

602
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: know similar you know, I mean, like the great ones

603
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: will test and they want guys that aren't going to

604
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: back down from anything. And obviously you've earned Mike's respect

605
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: through that, and then you guys went on to win

606
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: some championships, him coming back, Um, you guys losing to

607
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: Orlando and then coming out and having that tremendous ninety

608
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: six season where you guys go seventy two and ten.

609
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: What was that like? I mean, to lose ten games?

610
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: And then obviously as a coach you surpassed that record

611
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: which no one thought would ever be broken. But as

612
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: a player in that in that moment, what was that

613
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: time like? It was incredible that because is uh, none

614
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: of us had ever experienced anything like it. But you

615
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: know the fact that Michael had left the game for

616
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: a couple of years just completely recharged him. Between him

617
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 1: having a full off season to prepare and being recharged

618
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: and motivated, and then Dennis coming aboard from the Spurs

619
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 1: during an offseason trade. We were just revitalized, the whole

620
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: whole franchise. And I remember the media asking us about

621
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: possibly winning seventy before the season started, and we were all,

622
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: you gotta be kidding me. Nobody's gonna win seventy. And

623
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: yet we just blitz teams right out of the gate,

624
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: and I think we were forty one and three at

625
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: one point. It was like we were just looking at

626
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: each other, like this is this is insane, This doesn't happen.

627
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: But it was that perfect storm because of his absence

628
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 1: and because of Dennis's arrival and just this amazing energy

629
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: that existed and Phil's genius as our coach. Just the

630
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 1: way it all happened, and by the way, Scottie Pippen

631
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: was one of the great basketball players in the league

632
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: at the time. It was an amazing, amazing run. What

633
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: was it like with Dennis? You saw stuff and it

634
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: fucking blew me away when he left for Vegas and

635
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: Phil being Phil, I got an opportunity. I got a

636
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: chance to play for Phil his last year before he

637
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: announced to us he had cancer and he was going

638
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: to step away from the game. And when I tell

639
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: people like that's what I saw in you when I

640
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: came to Golden State, was Phil implemented his system as

641
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: you did. And then you kind of take a step back,

642
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: and you're not the raw ry unless you have to

643
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: cuss someone out, you're not that. You trust the players

644
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: you put out there to allow us to create and

645
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: play the game and see the game through our eyes.

646
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: What was it like kind of a two part First

647
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: of all, what was Dennis like? And then playing for

648
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: someone like Phil Jackson. Well, it's a good question because

649
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: the way Phil coached Dennis really, um was was the

650
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: key to everything um and and it and it really

651
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: informed me about what coaching was about, you know, because

652
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: as Phil demanded certain things of Dennis and then got

653
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: out of his way, and I saw how powerful that was.

654
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: Um you know, the idea of giving someone a vision

655
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: and then letting them go and then occasionally raining them

656
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: back in, show him the vision again, letting him go again.

657
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: That's powerful, you know. To me, that's coaching. Because these

658
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: players are artists. Man, they're they're they're so gifted at

659
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: this level, especially and you know, if you're if you're

660
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: gonna call every play and try to orchestrate everything, you're

661
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: overthinking things and you're not letting the players be who

662
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: they really are. The way Phil handled Dennis was was genius. Uh.

663
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: The first year was it was incredible because you know,

664
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: Dennis was so excited to be part of the of

665
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: the team and he was so different, but he connected

666
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: um with guys in in in strange ways, like he

667
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't say anything for a week, um, you know, but

668
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: you've you've like there was just energy from him that

669
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: you know what, that's a good dude. Like he just

670
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: you could tell he had a good soul and he

671
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: so he was vulnerable in that way, like he allowed

672
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: you to see his soul and what he was about. Um,

673
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: but he didn't communicate a whole lot, so you had

674
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: to you had to understand him and get to know

675
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: him a little bit. Beautiful minds um finals h M J.

676
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: Flew game his amazing game and then you hit the

677
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: game winner in game six? How did your life change

678
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: after that? I think in some ways it was it

679
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: was validation that I belonged. You know, you asked that

680
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: question earlier, When did when did I feel like I belonged.

681
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the answer. Maybe it took that long. I

682
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: think that was maybe my tenth year in the league.

683
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: But you know, I hadn't hit many big shots before that,

684
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: and so hitting that shot felt like I actually belong here.

685
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: I had to prove it to myself, but I had

686
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: to prove it to other people also. And then it

687
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: also led to another contract, you know, my I was

688
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: a free agent a couple of years later, and the

689
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: Spurs gave me a five year contract, which was the

690
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: most money I ever made my career, which allowed me

691
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: to buy a house in San Diego and and you know,

692
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: take care of my family. And so it changed, it

693
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: changed a lot of things. I think hitting that shot

694
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: probably got me my job in TV, you know, because

695
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: playing for the Bulls and having a big moment took

696
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: me from a place of relative obscurity too. Oh we

697
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: know that guy, and you know, so that season, that

698
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: those years in Chicago and hitting that shot, it all

699
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: added up to kind of giving me a boost um

700
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: to another another level in my own career in life.

701
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: I love it now obviously with the last Dance, you

702
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: know that you guys win your third title. Seeing last Dance.

703
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: There was so much behind the scenes that obviously we

704
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: didn't know. I don't know, I'm not sure if you

705
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: guys were, But did you guys really feel like this

706
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: was really really going to be the last run? Or

707
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: at any point did you just think it was talker

708
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: did when you guys knew that season? Hey, you guys

709
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 1: really knew it was going to be the last run.

710
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: We knew it was done. We really knew. Yeah, we

711
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: knew we were done. And uh, you know, it's so

712
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: funny because you know, the last Dance came on whenever

713
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: it was, I guess it was June July, so it

714
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: came on, and it finishes up, and and after the

715
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: tenth episode, I had, you know, all my friends are

716
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: calling me and the media is asking me, you know,

717
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: could you could you? Or why didn't? Why didn't the

718
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: Bulls keep the team together? You know what was Rhyan's

719
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: store of thinking? Why didn't they just sign everybody and

720
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: keep going? And I think that's the logical sort of thought,

721
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: But it's never that simple. It's never that simple. And

722
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: and what I've what I've really realized, you know, coaching

723
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: the Warriors and feeling feeling that pressure that you feel,

724
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, going to the finals multiple years in our

725
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: case five years or row with the Warriors. With the

726
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: Bulls it was, you know, six times in eight years.

727
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: I think there's an emotional toll that is so big

728
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: that it's hard for people to understand that when a

729
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: team loses its edge, it's you know, it's energy, it's motivation. Um,

730
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: it's just over. And so people can say, you know,

731
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: you gotta if you guys had come back, or you know,

732
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: if Michael hadn't left for baseball, you would have won

733
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: eight championships in a row. I call bullshit, Like it's

734
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: just you know, there's just no way. There's no way

735
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: we were There was too much fatigue and it ended

736
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: for a reason, it was supposed to end. It was

737
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: just that was the time speaking out on that as

738
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: a player and what you saw and what you felt.

739
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: Did you feel that with this current team did you

740
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: feel like you guys had had done Obviously injuries played

741
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: a huge part kind of and you guys is not

742
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: winning again, But did you feel like because we're in

743
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: a different era now, so everything is publicized. Small arguments

744
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: don't stay in the locker room, Criticisms don't stay in

745
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: the locker room. Everything is for public consumption now. So

746
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: did you feel as a coach, which you felt as

747
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: a player in Chicago at all, in that Golden State

748
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: organization or locker room so to speak. I did. Um,

749
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: I could feel it a little bit. You know, the

750
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: the last year when we lost to Toronto in the finals. Um,

751
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: it was a different type season, you know, we um,

752
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: we could just feel. Um, the connection wasn't as powerful. Um.

753
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: And it was just human nature, you know. The there's

754
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: nothing like the climb. The climb is the best, the

755
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: best part. You know, you get to the top and

756
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: you've got to start over again. That's that's you know,

757
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: it's pretty hard, but it's worth the climb. But you try.

758
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: You got to make that climb three, four or five times.

759
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: It's exhausting. So we felt that exhaustion. UM. I thought

760
00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: last year Draymond, Stephen Clay desperately needed to get away,

761
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: and unfortunately it took really horrible circumstances, um for Draymond,

762
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 1: or for for Steph and Clay with season ending injuries.

763
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: Even Kevin Durant, you know, after three straight years of

764
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: going to the finals. Um, you know, uh, I think

765
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: he probably needed arrest and Uh, I hated that had

766
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: happened the way it did with his injury, but you know,

767
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: making these runs out of to me, that's why what

768
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: what Lebron incredible? It makes no sense. It makes people

769
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: don't understand and I think, obviously because you played and

770
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: you're a coach, people to understand the mental drain it

771
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: takes on your body, on your family, on everyone around

772
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: you as well, because like I said, it's from the

773
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: outside looking in. Know you keep k d and you

774
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: guys keep running, or Mike doesn't go play baseball and

775
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: you guys. It's never that simple. It's it's so it's

776
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: such an emotional roller coaster. I mean, and not to

777
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: mention the physical grind, but the mental grind is just

778
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: as tough, if not tougher, than that actual physical grind. Yeah,

779
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: And while you're going through that grind, there's four or

780
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: five other teams that are on the climb that are

781
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: incredibly motivated, that have been building their teams specifically to

782
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: beat you, and that can't wait to play you. And uh,

783
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: and you're so you're you're already exhausted and now you

784
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: see these people climbing below. You're trying to pull your

785
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: leg down. You're like, leave me alone, you know. So

786
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's exhausting. So you know, ten ten finals

787
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: appearances for Lebron, But I think, if I'm not mistaken,

788
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: this this is nine out of the last ten years, right,

789
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: that he will be in the finals. That's insane. That's insane. Yeah,

790
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: and you guys had a lot to do with his

791
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: record in the finals. But yeah, he got up. He

792
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,919
Speaker 1: got our best team. The you know, the three win

793
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: team was you know, not our most talented team, but

794
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: you know that that team was, oh, steam rolled through

795
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: everybody and then and then they got us, So that

796
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: one stung. We're gonna get to the to the Warriors,

797
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: it was. But I want to continue with what you

798
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: had going on. So you leave, m J retires, Scotty

799
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: goes to Houston. If I'm not mistaken, you guys, you

800
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: go to San Antonio. You guys win that next shortened year.

801
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: Correct with a mention, David Robinson and in a very

802
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 1: young Tim Duncan, you landed on your feet. You leave,

803
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: you leave a three pet and you go to to

804
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: pop in the Spurs and you keep the train going.

805
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: What was that like? Yeah, it was really weird because

806
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: it was a lockout season, as you mentioned, fifty games season. Um,

807
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, Pop wasn't Pop yet, he was maybe in

808
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: his third year coaching. I didn't really know anything about him. Um,

809
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: But to go there and to immediately be part of

810
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: a championship team was kind of crazy, you know. Um,

811
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: I felt like I just sort of fell off of

812
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: a train and landed on a bandwagon. And you know,

813
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: they handed me a trophy and I was like, Okay,

814
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 1: here we go again. It was it was really bizarre, Um.

815
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: But I think the the experience that I had in

816
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: San Antonio, even though I didn't play a ton, I

817
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: made a much bigger impact in Chicago than I did

818
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: in San Antonio on the court. But what I learned

819
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: in San Antonio has been so important for me and

820
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: my coaching career and UH, and and playing with such

821
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: incredible guys. Tim Duncan is as good at a teammate

822
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: as there is um on earth and and UH. To

823
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: go through that experience was was remarkable, given that I

824
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: had just been granted the opportunity to play with Michael

825
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: Jordan and the and the Bulls. So I've been I've

826
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: lived right, and I've lived right, absolutely, So after that

827
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: you had to Portland and then you come back and

828
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: get your fifth ring. Um, you know my colleague was

829
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: a part of that team as well. You guys both

830
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: hit big shots to help secure your fifth ring. And

831
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: that was your final season. What made you say it's time? Well,

832
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: I was thirty seven and my knees were probably my

833
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 1: last three years playing. Um, my knees were really hurting

834
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: and I was popping by ox, you know, just to

835
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 1: feel capable of, you know, moving the way I wanted

836
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: to move. And it was so frustrating. You know, not

837
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: that I was ever very quick or fast, but you know,

838
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: you want to feel your best to be able to play.

839
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: And so when you get old, and you you probably

840
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: remember this, you know, at the tail end of your career.

841
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: You know, one day you feel twenty five and the

842
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 1: next day you feel thirty eight and you can't figure

843
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: out why, or you know, get banged up. And when

844
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: you're young, you know exactly why you you're banged up.

845
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 1: And you get older and you get out of bed

846
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: and you go, why does my left hip hurt? You know?

847
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: And and so that three years of that thirty seven,

848
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: we won the championship and in oh three, it was

849
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: just time. It felt rain. Yeah, now I felt that

850
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: to the extreme. You know. I came. I was thirty

851
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: seven with my my finding you're with you guys, and

852
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: it pissed me off because a sprained ankle had never

853
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: taken me out like I sprained my ankle, and I'd

854
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: always bounced right back. But this sprained ankle was the

855
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,959
Speaker 1: sprained ankle of them all, and it just wouldn't heal.

856
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: And by the time and I tell people, you know, obviously,

857
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: I took in less money my whole entire career to

858
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: get into a winning situation because I wanted to win.

859
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: And I finally get an opportunity to come to you guys,

860
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: when unfortunately Katie goes down, I step in you know,

861
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: you insert me. It was crazy. So I'm at working

862
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: my kids out DeMarcus were I'm in Sacramento that the

863
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: King's talked through me to get to DeMarcus all the time.

864
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: So they're reassuring me the whole time they're not trading DeMarcus. Oh,

865
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: he's good. He's you know, we're a half a game,

866
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: a game and a half out of the playoffs. He's good.

867
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: He's not going nowhere. We're gonna make this playoff run.

868
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna play the Warriors in the first round. So

869
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: we have this whole game plan for Sacramento and the

870
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: first year in our new arena. All Star Break hits

871
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 1: and DeMarcus gets traded while he's on the podium asking

872
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: questions and I'm like, what the funk you guys have

873
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: just been telling me for the last three weeks to

874
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: a month. He's not going nowhere. So DeMarcus gets traded.

875
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: Fast forward. I talked to Bloody. I'm like, Bloody, I'm

876
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,479
Speaker 1: too old to try to rebuild, you know. I needed

877
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: to try to win, and he understood. He let me go.

878
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: Katie goes down. I get an opportunity to come in

879
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: and when I tell you, like I wasn't. I went

880
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: from being at KFC one night to talk to you

881
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: on the phone because I just got done working the Twins.

882
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: I was like, You're like, hey, we need you in Chicago.

883
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy sh it. I catch a flight the

884
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: next day and then get to Chicago and I played

885
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes. I'm like, oh shoot, I'm I'm back

886
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: in the NBA. Let's go, you know. So for that opportunity,

887
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: to arise, and then Katie comes back and I get

888
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: hurt the game Katie, So I never People don't know,

889
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: like I never got a chance to play with Katie,

890
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: like we were on the same team. But he was

891
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: hurt and then he'd the first game back. I got hurt,

892
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: and then I played sparingly in the playoffs. So but

893
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: back to your point, I couldn't get over that sprained

894
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: ankle and a spring. I'm a football player. I played

895
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 1: through everything, and that fucking spring ankle wouldn't get better.

896
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: So it was just it was it was humbling, and

897
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: and you know, we got a chance to win it,

898
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: to win a ring as as a team, and it

899
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: was a tremendous opportunity. But I was just like, it's

900
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: getting time and and and you know, and that's why

901
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask, like it was my fourteenth ory,

902
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: it was your fifteenth year, like when you start listening

903
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: to your body. Could I played a couple more years? Probably,

904
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: But I was just I was ready to see what

905
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: was next in my life. And and obviously you know

906
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: you felt a similar way. Yeah, yeah, I mean, but

907
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: but how lucky are we to make it that far

908
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: so that we where we could actually say, okay, we

909
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: know now it's time. Most players they before before that.

910
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: I have to tell one quick story just for your

911
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: listeners because it's one of my favorite NBA stories from coaching.

912
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: But you know, one of the things that you know

913
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: that that I believe as as a coach, and I

914
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: really learned this from Pop was, you know, involving family

915
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: members um in anything that you can with it with

916
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: team stuff is uh is really fun. It's it's just

917
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 1: you know, so we always invite guys to bring their kids,

918
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: their families on the plane if they want, and and

919
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: so you probably know where I'm going with this. But

920
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: so we had a game in San Antonio and uh,

921
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: we're staying out in the hill country the Hyatt. Uh

922
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: we have a breakfast meeting, and you bring your boys

923
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: to the breakfast meeting, the twins and everybody's having breakfast,

924
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: and then you know we're gonna get the meeting started.

925
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: And you you were like, coach, should I send the

926
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: kids back? I'm like, no, no, they're good. They're good.

927
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: And so they's and they're they're hoopers right there. At

928
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: that time, they were probably I'm guessing eight years old,

929
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 1: seven years old, so they would you know, they would

930
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: shoot around before practice and stuff, and they're hoopers. They

931
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: love this stuff. So it was Mike Brown's scout. So

932
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: I said, Mike, why don't you go through the through

933
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: the matchups and he goes, all right, um, we're gonna

934
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: change the starting lineup. You hadn't started the previous game.

935
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting in the back just observing, so you're

936
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: kind of sitting right in front of me with your boys.

937
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 1: Mike Brown's beyond that. So Mike gets up. He goes,

938
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna we'rena start tonight. We're gonna start

939
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: Steph Clay, Uh, Matt, you're gonna start at the three,

940
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: and you're gonna guard Kauai and your boys are the

941
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: twins get up and they start going. They start pumping

942
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: their fists. They're like, yeah, yeah. It was one of

943
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: my all time favorite favorite moments because that's really, you know, ultimately,

944
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: that's what it's about. You know, you want to be

945
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,479
Speaker 1: able to enjoy everything with your family, and how cool

946
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: is that, Like, you know, there were your boys watching

947
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: this team meeting and hell, yeah, Dad's starting tonight. Yeah

948
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: now that was that was the best experience obviously for me.

949
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: To be able to come to a team like that

950
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: and just see how you were able to manage so

951
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 1: many different stars and egos and personality and come along

952
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 1: for the common goal. But outside of that, the kids

953
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: ride was the best time. Like the chance that the

954
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: people don't know, Like the kids flew on the plane,

955
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: they were in the locker room, they were in our

956
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: pregame breakfast meetings. Like you couldn't tell these guys they

957
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: weren't on the Warriors, you know, I mean one game

958
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: you let them. I want to say, we were in

959
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: the Western Finals against Houston. If I'm a mistaken or

960
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: sit and they're shooting with Stephen Katie at the end

961
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: of practice, like shooting three and like they were just

962
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: blowing away. And so when we finally won the championship,

963
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: like the Twins were up, I was sitting in the

964
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: back just kind of taking it all in. The Twins

965
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: are in the front row trying to hold the Katie

966
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: got the m v P trophy. They wanted to hold that,

967
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: steph got the championship trophy. They were trying, like you

968
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: couldn't tell the Twins that they weren't a part of

969
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: that team. So that's why I wanted to make sure

970
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: that you know, when I came back and got my ring,

971
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: I got them rings, and these kids were on cloud nine.

972
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: So I really, oh, I really personally, I never really

973
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: I thank you, but I never got a chance to

974
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: really thank you because, like you said that that was

975
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: to me, that was a perfect exclamation on. Like my

976
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: kids got to see me play, My kids got to

977
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: be a part of this special team. It was their

978
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 1: favorite team. And then for them to kind of get

979
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: rings when Dad got rings, it was just a perfect

980
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: time to say goodbye. And I really owe a lot

981
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: of that to you and obviously the WARS organization for

982
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: accepting me back. So thank you very much for that. Coach.

983
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. Oh, I appreciate the compliment. And

984
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: and um, and I'll just say it was a pleasure

985
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: to to coach you. Just your your competitiveness and your

986
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: toughness was it was important in our locker room. And

987
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: and you know, the the the joy that the twins

988
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: brought every day was was great stuff. And and Zaza's

989
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: kids would come in and uh, you know, sometimes the

990
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: kids would be having like a three on three game

991
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: between David West's son and so we had we had

992
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: a good group. But but I really learned that from Pop.

993
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: You know, Um Pop was the first coach I ever

994
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: had who invited family on the plane. And so I

995
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: remember taking my five year old son, my oldest on

996
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: a road trip, and then a few weeks later, my

997
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: three year old daughter on a road trip, and you know,

998
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: she was so excited because she was like, you know,

999
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: we get to sleep in the hotels, like yeah, and

1000
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: she's like, we're gonna get room service, We're gonna watch

1001
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 1: a movie. She's like, this is gonna be the best

1002
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: best night of my life, you know, and it's like,

1003
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that. And so for Pop to understand

1004
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: that as a coach, like how how much that meant

1005
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: to me? It meant It was so powerful that it

1006
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: was it became a no brainer for me when I

1007
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: became coach. Got to give the players that joy of

1008
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: seeing their kids in the same environment, and it's an

1009
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: amazing feeling. That's one thing that that that people to

1010
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: understand is is is championship teams are built at the top,

1011
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 1: and it's two little things like that. Obviously, you need

1012
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: everything to be aligned and you need plenty of luck,

1013
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: but it starts at top with management and when I

1014
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: tell people when I play for the Words, you guys

1015
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 1: literally took You guys take care of all the players

1016
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: on your team. Have to do is obviously fall in

1017
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: line and you know, stay ready. But all you have

1018
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: to do is worry about basketball. You guys take care

1019
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: of family. You guys take care of friends. You guys

1020
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 1: make it such a warm family environment that like we

1021
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: you want to go run through a wall for an

1022
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: organization like that, because I played for the Clippers my

1023
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: first year and we were practicing at a junior college

1024
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: where we had to keep the back door open to

1025
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: make sure people didn't break into our cars. You know,

1026
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like little ship. There's levels to this,

1027
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 1: and I think you guys did such an amazing job

1028
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: of just all you guys have to do is go

1029
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: out and focus on basketball. We got everything else and

1030
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: then you know, you guys got rings for that. But

1031
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: back to you retiring from the game, You step into

1032
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: broadcast booth and then you wept into the front office

1033
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: of Phoenix during their runs. What was that transition like

1034
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: from obviously playing, I don't know if you knew you

1035
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: wanted to be a coach, you went to the front

1036
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: office first. But what was that change from being a

1037
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: player to moving into the front office and kind of

1038
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: managing things behind the scenes. Well, I had a bridge,

1039
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, doing TV for about four years before I

1040
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: got into management, and it was important for me to

1041
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: kind of step away from the grind. And so the

1042
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: TV gig with T n T was an incredible time

1043
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 1: in my life, you know, to be with my family

1044
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: at home and then I'd fly off and do one

1045
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: game a week. So it was kind of perfect. You know.

1046
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 1: I got just enough time away to keep my wife happy.

1047
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: So I was out of the house for a couple

1048
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: of days, but plenty of time at home to do

1049
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: the things I wanted to do. And then after about

1050
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: four years, I just started feeling that itch to compete

1051
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: and to be involved. And I had this opportunity in

1052
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: Phoenix and and I took it. But you know, I

1053
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: was GM for three years, but I I knew deep

1054
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: in my heart that I wanted to coach and I

1055
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: didn't love being a GM. You know. I like being

1056
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: on the court. I like being with the players, and

1057
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: I like the highs and lows of of winning and losing.

1058
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: Like if you're right in the thick of it, rather

1059
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 1: than watching from above and trying to make more big

1060
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: picture decisions. I'd rather be in the fight. So it

1061
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: was fun to watch the team. And we had a

1062
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: hell of a team. You were part of it, you know,

1063
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: with with Nash and grat Hill and an older shack

1064
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: older shack By Yeah by that time, and we had

1065
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: a couple of good runs. But it was not a

1066
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: job that I excelled at. I was not a great GM,

1067
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, correct me if I'm wrong.

1068
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: You were broadcasting during our We Believe times, right, didn't you?

1069
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: Weren't you broadcasting when we were playing Dallas? Yeah? I

1070
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: did the final game. So how loud was that arena?

1071
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: Because I tried to tell people because I went back

1072
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: to the championship and we were fortunate to be on

1073
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 1: that team, But I still felt like those we Believe

1074
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: crowds were the loudest crowds I've ever been a part of. Yeah,

1075
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,959
Speaker 1: I agree, I've told people that many times. That game

1076
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: six again Stallas, the closeout game was the loudest arena

1077
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: I've ever heard in my life. It was insane. It

1078
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: felt like they were shaking the arena like we came

1079
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: out to warm up and and the stands were already full.

1080
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: Like normally when you go out to warm up, no

1081
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,760
Speaker 1: one's really out there yet, you like when individual players

1082
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: the second they opened the door, the arena was filled

1083
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: and they were all standing as soon as we came

1084
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: out there for like the real team warm ups, like

1085
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: you it was there was an electricity in there, and

1086
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: there was we knew we were going to blow them

1087
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: out like that. Home fan base was tremendous, you know,

1088
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: obviously transitioning to becoming the Warriors coach, but I kind

1089
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: of wanted to jump ahead a little bit, obviously having

1090
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: to leave the history of Oakland and Oracle behind and

1091
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: transitioning to obviously the amazing venue you guys have in

1092
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: San Francisco. What do you miss about those Oracle crowds?

1093
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: I always loved Oracle, even going way back to when

1094
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: I was a player. There was just this energy in

1095
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: that building that didn't exist in every NBA arena, Certain

1096
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: arenas that just feels special, certain crowds that seemed to

1097
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: know the game and love the game. The Garden in

1098
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: New York feels that way to me, you know, despite

1099
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: the struggles of the teams over the last couple of decades.

1100
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: It's still special to go into the Garden. There's a

1101
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: sense that that there's a real basketball history and and

1102
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: that the fans know the game. And that's how I

1103
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: always felt coming into Oracle, going to Toronto same way,

1104
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: there's this energy in the crowd in Toronto that's really

1105
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: fun to be a part of. Yeah, it's electric Seattle

1106
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: the Sonics when you know, playing the old Sonics teams

1107
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: Key was amazing. The Oracle has always been a special place.

1108
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: And then obviously to have the run that we did

1109
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: and get to the finals and and you know, win

1110
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: a championship at home in seventeen and just feeling that

1111
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: energy and the joy of the fans was really amazing.

1112
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: That's special. So head coach of Golden State, your first

1113
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: crack Um replacing Mark Jackson, what was your philosophy and

1114
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: expectations Obviously coming into with a new young team, you

1115
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: start with two core stars and you find out, you know,

1116
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: Draymond works itself into being a star. What were some

1117
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: of the ups and downs with that young Warrior team

1118
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: and how did you feel like you earned their trust? Well,

1119
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: I think our whole focus coming in was was let's

1120
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: respect what Mark has already built and what the team

1121
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: has already built. That was what fourteen fifteen was our

1122
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: first year. They had the Warriors have been in the

1123
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: playoffs the previous couple of years. They had a top

1124
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: four defense in the league the previous year. Uh when

1125
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: when I became coach, so I'm looking at him like,

1126
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: this is a gold mine. You know this, This team

1127
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: is ready to win. They've already they've already become a

1128
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: damn good team. And so let's honor that. Let's respect that.

1129
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: And and that was our whole approaching our approaching camp

1130
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: was we're not coming in here to reinvent the wheel.

1131
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: We're coming in to help you with the foundation that

1132
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: you guys have already built, and let's grow it. Let's

1133
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: get better from here. That was important because the players

1134
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: liked Mark and had great respect for him, and he

1135
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: had done an amazing job. He deserved the credit that

1136
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: he had been given. It was controversial when he was

1137
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: let go, So I thought that was the main thing

1138
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: we tried to do, was just hey, let's keep building

1139
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: this thing. And and here's a few areas where watching

1140
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: on tape, we think we can get better. But other

1141
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: than that, like, let's let's keep rolling. We had Steph

1142
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: on the first season of the show and he said

1143
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: he personally felt like the first one was the best

1144
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: one for him. What was that first journey like? You know,

1145
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: obviously you being there as a player, you walk into

1146
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: an amazing situation fifteen you guys get there, What was

1147
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: that first one like for you as a coach? Honestly,

1148
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: um it in terms of basketball, and I've had a

1149
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: lot of amazing moments in my career and been on

1150
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: championship teams, but clenching Game six in Cleveland and as

1151
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: a head coach might have been the best feeling that

1152
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: I've ever had in basketball because it's different. It's different

1153
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: like a lot of times as a player I was

1154
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: on those teams, I was a reserve. I might have

1155
01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: had a good game here there, and but I didn't.

1156
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: I it wasn't me. I wasn't you know, the one

1157
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: winning the championship. You know, as a player, um, so

1158
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: when you become a coach, it's even more so pronounced

1159
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: because you never touched the floor, right, you never take

1160
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: a shot, you never get a rebound. But what you

1161
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: do feel is this responsibility to the group that you're

1162
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: trying to help them win a championship, and so as

1163
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: a coach, it's a different vibe. Like you you didn't

1164
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: you didn't do anything yourself, but this group that you're

1165
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: in charge of has accomplished their goal. And that's a

1166
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: special feeling, you know, in any kind of leadership role,

1167
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: when when the group you're in charge of has that success.

1168
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: It was probably the most gratifying moment of my my

1169
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: whole career. See, that's that's cool, And obviously I felt

1170
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: it not a much smaller scale, but you know, coaching

1171
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: the Twins now and we have one of the top

1172
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: teams in the country and seeing their excitement when they

1173
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: start to get stuff and understand and you know, we

1174
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: run similar offenses to what you guys do. When I

1175
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: tell them every single night, the Warriors are gonna get

1176
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: everyone's best shot. You know, that's the same with my

1177
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: team because I coach him and everyone knows the Twins

1178
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: now every single night you have to understand how to

1179
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: play with a target on your back. You there's no

1180
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: let ups, there's no But when we finally start winning

1181
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: these championships and we see I think we're number eight

1182
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: or number nine in the whole country right now at

1183
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 1: twelve years old, you know what I mean. But to

1184
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: see their excitement and know that I'm I don't shoot,

1185
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: I don't play defense, I don't do nothing on that court,

1186
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: but I'm helping them achieve their goals. So I can

1187
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: only imagine on the highest level, which is the NBA,

1188
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,919
Speaker 1: the excitement an opportunity like that would bring for you. Yeah. Yeah,

1189
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's nothing like playing basketball. You know,

1190
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: once you're done, you can't play anymore. To be involved

1191
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: as a coach, to me is the next best thing.

1192
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: But winning a championship as a coach is a feeling

1193
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: you can't describe because you you just feel responsible for

1194
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: so many people. You know that so much can go wrong,

1195
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: and if it does go wrong, you feel responsible for

1196
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: that too. But when everything clicks and and as it

1197
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: did that first year, oh man, amazing special feeling. How

1198
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: do you feel like your experience as a player with

1199
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: your seventy two and ten team We touched on this

1200
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: earlier and then the experience coaching the seventy three and

1201
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: nine team prepared you for that? And did you see

1202
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: any similarities differences? The pressure not in night out and

1203
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: like I just said a minute ago, it didn't matter

1204
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: who you guys were playing every single night, you were

1205
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: going to get their best shot. In that ship alone

1206
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: is draining mentally and physically. So what was it like,

1207
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: obviously being a part of the player and then coaching

1208
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: a team that surpassed a record that no one ever

1209
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: thought would be touched. Yeah, and I was maybe leading

1210
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: that charge thinking that nobody would ever beat seventy two,

1211
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, having been through it as a player, I

1212
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: was like, no way. But our guys came off that

1213
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: championship in fifteen and they were so confident. You know,

1214
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: that's one thing when you win a championship, there's a

1215
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: deeper level of confidence that you now have. That year,

1216
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 1: I think we hadn't gotten to the stage of fatigue yet.

1217
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: It was more excitement of oh my god, we're the

1218
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: best team in the NBA, We're the best team in

1219
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: the world. This is fun, you know. And uh so

1220
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: that was a similarity, just this this vibe of you know,

1221
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: nobody can touch us, you know, let's go dominate. And

1222
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: so I didn't really have to to say a whole lot.

1223
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: It was, you know, just just let them let them go. Um.

1224
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: The only thing I tried to do, was you know,

1225
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: down the stretch, you know, talk about you know, we're

1226
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: not gonna We're not gonna do anything stupid. You know,

1227
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: we're not gonna go and push you guys forty four

1228
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: or forty six minutes in a game, you know, in

1229
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: order to chase a win that we don't actually have

1230
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: to have. And I tried to try to play it,

1231
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: you know, pretty conservatively. And and for the most part

1232
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: we did. Our minute totals were pretty low that year,

1233
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: but you know, there was there was definitely a feeling

1234
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: of of you know, nervousness that you know, somebody would

1235
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: get injured and the whole thing would go off off track. Yes,

1236
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: so falling short in sixteen that season, uh, Lebron in

1237
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: the has got you guys to then landing one of

1238
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: the biggest free agent signings in the history of the game, Uh,

1239
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: picking up Kevin Durant, And it was just like, let's go.

1240
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: What was it like knowing that, I mean, obviously there

1241
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: was a bunch of talks when it finally happened. Knowing

1242
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: that you're gonna be able to add one of the

1243
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: greatest players we've seen to an already amazing team, yeah,

1244
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: and and not not just an amazing player, but a

1245
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: player who was going to fit in perfectly with the

1246
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: way we already played. You know this, I mean Draymond

1247
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: Green has led us and assists for like five years

1248
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 1: in a row. He's our starting power forward. So we

1249
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: just play basketball and and everybody makes plays. And watching

1250
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,919
Speaker 1: Kevin over the years um in Oklahoma City, the most

1251
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: skilled guy in the league terms of shooting, passing, versatility,

1252
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: shot blocking, like it was gonna be such a seamless

1253
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: fit because of he was not ball dominant. You know,

1254
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: he didn't he didn't have to have the ball in

1255
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: his hands all the time, and of course neither did Steph.

1256
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: They were both perfectly willing to play off the ball.

1257
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: So it was pretty incredible to watch that group together

1258
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: and one of the best teams in the history of

1259
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: the game, one of the most talented, and to watch

1260
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: them on the floor when when we were really clicking

1261
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: was just beautiful, special, absolutely special. Seventeen. You get a

1262
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: ring eighteen and then how hard was it? You know,

1263
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: you guys are at the top of the hill and

1264
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 1: you've been there as a player, you know how mentally

1265
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: draining it is, physically draining is how hard was it

1266
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: to see you guys go for that three p nineteen

1267
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: and then guys start to get injured. Yeah, I think

1268
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, you sort of feel it if you're in

1269
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,479
Speaker 1: the league long enough. Every year injuries play a role

1270
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: when we want our first title. And fifteen Kevin Love

1271
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: and Kyrie Irving were both out, So we've been on

1272
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: the other end of it too, so that you know

1273
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: that you just sort of go into it as a

1274
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: coach or as a player and you understand that sometimes

1275
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: things don't go well, sometimes they do and you regardless,

1276
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: you just have to respond and play your best. And

1277
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 1: I was as out of that nine team team as

1278
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: I was of any of our championship teams, just from

1279
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: the standpoint of they fought, They fought and almost took

1280
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: it to seven. You know, um, if Clay doesn't doesn't

1281
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: tear as a c L, I think you guys still

1282
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: win if play doesn't get hurt. I mean that's my

1283
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: personal opinion. I think we win that game six because

1284
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: Clay was Clay was on fire and looking we're at

1285
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: home and and if it goes seven, who knows, and

1286
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 1: and so, but Toronto was great and they deserved it,

1287
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 1: and great respect for for their team and their coaching staff,

1288
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: and they were fantastic. Um, but I walked away from

1289
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: that series as proud of our group as as as

1290
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 1: any group that that I've ever been around. They were

1291
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: they were amazing, They were awesome. Speaking of that that series,

1292
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:52,439
Speaker 1: how hard was it managing Kevin wanting to come back?

1293
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: But still you guys, trying to be cautious as you

1294
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: possibly can't managing you know, obviously his injury and knowing

1295
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: how many years he still had to play. How hard

1296
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: of coaching decision, manag decision, doctor, decision, his decision. Did

1297
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: that play with you, guys? Yeah? I mean it was.

1298
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: It was a really tricky situation, um. And what we

1299
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: tried to do was just to make sure we covered

1300
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: all our bases and and to trust our training staff,

1301
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: trust the surgeon, and then also bring in you know,

1302
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: Kevin's own medical people and make sure that everybody who

1303
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 1: was good with him playing before we put him out there. Um.

1304
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: In hindsight, UM, I wish we hadn't, because now we

1305
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: know what what happened toward towards a c L, I

1306
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: mean towards Achilles, and and so UM, you know, I

1307
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: think we we I think we handled it the way

1308
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: we thought UM was was the best way. With with

1309
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 1: you know, Kevin and his representation and their their own

1310
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 1: medical team putting their heads together with with our group,

1311
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: we felt like we were, you know, in the clear.

1312
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: But it was it was a it was a stark

1313
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 1: reminder that, you know, medicine is not necessarily math. You know,

1314
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: it's not just either yes or no. There's a gray

1315
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: area in everything. And so when Kevin went down, I

1316
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 1: was just my first thought was, oh, man, he he

1317
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: re injured his calf. And you know, the thought was,

1318
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 1: you know, what a bomber. He's put in all this

1319
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: work and and there's the there goes the calf. And

1320
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 1: it didn't It didn't hit me until we walked in

1321
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: at halftime and I saw everybody's faces. I saw the doctors,

1322
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: I saw a trainer, and I saw Kevin. I was like, oh, ship,

1323
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 1: like this this was an achilles and it's devastating and

1324
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: and you know it was Kevin was heroic and in

1325
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 1: terms of you know, trying to be out there on

1326
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: the floor with his teammates, UM he got off to

1327
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 1: a great start too. He came out, he was cooking,

1328
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 1: he he was he was on fire right away, and

1329
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: it seemed like everything was good and UM, but it's yeah,

1330
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 1: it's one of those ones that that will forever look

1331
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: back on and and go, you know what. Um, we

1332
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 1: we wish we could have that one back, but not

1333
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 1: not from a not from a process standpoint. I think

1334
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: the process we handled um in the right way. But

1335
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: I think I learned from that and that even if

1336
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 1: the process is sound, UM, you know, just go overboard,

1337
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 1: Just go overboard. And don't you know, I would love

1338
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:53,599
Speaker 1: to have that one back. And but again, hindsight, right,

1339
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 1: we're with the home stretch right now, almost finished up. Um,

1340
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: Kevin decides that he wants to leave. How did that

1341
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: hit you personally? Obviously as a coach, you know what

1342
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 1: the business, but how did how did the organization feel

1343
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: when he felt it was time for him to move on?

1344
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 1: Didn't It didn't surprise us. We all had a sense

1345
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 1: that Kevin probably looking to move on and and take

1346
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: on a new challenge. It's been here three years and

1347
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: won two championships and been finals M v P twice

1348
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 1: and it was just for in his own personal career,

1349
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 1: was time for a new challenge. And and we all

1350
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: totally respected that. You know, I always feel like players

1351
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: should control their own destiny, and especially through free agency.

1352
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: And you know, once your contracts of every every player

1353
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 1: has the right to go wherever he wants. And and

1354
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: so there were no hard feelings at all. In fact,

1355
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 1: it was the opposite. It's like, man, thank you for

1356
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: thank you for everything you've done. You you helped bring

1357
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: us two championships and almost another one, and and you

1358
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: brought an incredible amount of joy to Oracle every night,

1359
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 1: and our fans got to watch one of the best

1360
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: basketball teams on Earth. My feeling was thank you and

1361
01:11:56,479 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: good luck and you know, get healthy. Yeah. Absolutely, So

1362
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: you came into the coaching space a lot luckier than

1363
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: most coaches. So you came in in a championship your

1364
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 1: first year, you have a hell of a five year run.

1365
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 1: Last year, a little bit of reality sets in. You know,

1366
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: you guys go to a new arena, there's a lot

1367
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: of excitement, players already hurt. Uh steph ends up going down.

1368
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 1: So it kind of becomes a development year. And I

1369
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 1: was talking to Draymond a lot that season, like, hey, man,

1370
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 1: keep your head. I I can see you're about to snap.

1371
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: You know, what was it? Like coming in at the

1372
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 1: highest level and winning and having that run and then

1373
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: kind of coming back down to earth last season and

1374
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, your two stars are out. Draymond is still in.

1375
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: But just a really a season of developing these young guys.

1376
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 1: It was a slap in the face for sure. The

1377
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 1: injuries to Uh, to Steph and Clay, we're just killers,

1378
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 1: obviously you're talking. You're talking about you know, two of

1379
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: the best guards in the league and probably the two

1380
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: best shooters in the world. So you know, when Steph

1381
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 1: went down in the third or fourth game, whatever it was,

1382
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: it was apparent pretty quickly like this is this is

1383
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: now a development. You're got to play these young guys

1384
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 1: and try to help them get better. And um, you know,

1385
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: a little perspective is uh is usually what happens um

1386
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 1: in life. You know, nobody, nobody gets to win every year.

1387
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: And um, so we had we had been on this

1388
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: incredible run and it now is our turn to get

1389
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: smacked in the face. And and now it's time to

1390
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 1: get up off the bat and see if we can uh,

1391
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,719
Speaker 1: you know, get have another run and us we'll see

1392
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: I think obviously you don't like to ever see anyone

1393
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: get hurt, but I think it was needed. You know

1394
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 1: what I mean. You guys had such a tremendous run.

1395
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 1: I think dre clay and and Steph needed a break.

1396
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: And I mean those guys are probably in that five

1397
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: year span, probably played more minutes possibly than you know,

1398
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 1: some of the guys in NBA history, and as far

1399
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:42,600
Speaker 1: as a five year span. So those guys went on

1400
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: the hell of a run. Will rests. So I think

1401
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 1: I speak for all of us when we say we're

1402
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 1: excited to see what you guys come back with. I'm

1403
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: gonna hit you with a couple of quick hitters and

1404
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 1: we'll be done. One player in your era, you wish

1405
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 1: you would have got a chance to play with Patrick Ewing.

1406
01:13:55,360 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: I loved I loved ings game and is competitive desire.

1407
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 1: He was incredible. Thoughts on the Basketball Hall of Fame

1408
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:05,600
Speaker 1: class arguably one of the greatest classes. You know, I

1409
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: rest in peace, Kobe, but you know you've got a

1410
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: chance to play with the young Timmy and know him well.

1411
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: And then Kevin Garnett. I don't know my history well enough,

1412
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 1: but there there can't be many classes more decorated than

1413
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 1: this one. UM three three All time grades. UM maybe

1414
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: the three best players of their UM shared era, you

1415
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 1: know really when it comes down to it, But yeah,

1416
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: that was um devastating. You know, learning of Kobe's death

1417
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: was a you know, one of those moments that you

1418
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 1: you'll remember your whole life because of the shock of

1419
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: it and and feeling feeling that shock with our whole team.

1420
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 1: UM was devastating, And it still doesn't even seem real.

1421
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: But you know, this this fall with with Kobe and

1422
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: KG and Tim all going into the Hall of Fame together,

1423
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: it'll it'll feel you know, from a basketball standpoint, it

1424
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 1: feels right. But the fact that Kobe is no longer

1425
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 1: with us obviously just takes it. Takes it and completely

1426
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 1: excuse everything. It still doesn't make any sense. Absolutely. UM.

1427
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on cannabis and CBD use of professional athletes, Well,

1428
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 1: it's funny because I spoke out about this a couple

1429
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 1: of years ago. You know, I had my own uh

1430
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 1: health issues with my back surgery that went wrong, and

1431
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 1: and so I spoke I was getting prescribed all these

1432
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 1: opioids constantly for pain, and and you know I'd read

1433
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,719
Speaker 1: about this stuff like I'm not I'm not taking this stuff,

1434
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: this oxy cotton or vic it in or whatever, and

1435
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: it just seems so insane, and so, you know, I was.

1436
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,759
Speaker 1: I spoke out about the you know, the the athletes

1437
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: should be allowed to use cannabis, and uh, you know

1438
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: how we like to play music during our our warm

1439
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 1: ups in practice. So I can't remember what song. There

1440
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:19,640
Speaker 1: was some song about smoking dope or something, and so

1441
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 1: so our our video guy puts that song on. JaVale

1442
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 1: McGhee is running down laughing, looking at me like like

1443
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, like he's puffing. Everybody's everybody's cracking up because

1444
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 1: I've made this statement. Meanwhile, I had literally tried it

1445
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: for my for my pain, for my back stuff and

1446
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 1: had no success with it. So and unfortunately it didn't work.

1447
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 1: But because I spoke out on it, all of a sudden,

1448
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: like I got this reputation as as the pot guy,

1449
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 1: like oh there's you know, like or whatever the players took,

1450
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: they got a good kick out of it. Anyway, So

1451
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: I remember, I mean I remember seeing you. It hurt

1452
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 1: my heart because I remember when I was hurt in

1453
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 1: the Portland series, like how uncomfortable you would lay for

1454
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: a second, you would sit for a second, you would

1455
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 1: have to stand up for a second, and you would

1456
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 1: lay for a second. I'm just like, I can't imagine

1457
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: what you were going through through that time. And and

1458
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 1: I was to the point where I didn't want to

1459
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 1: cross player coach boundaries, but I was gonna say, Coach,

1460
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 1: let me go on my badgroup quick. I got something

1461
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 1: for you. But it was, you know, it was a

1462
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 1: little I think I was a little bit before my time.

1463
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 1: But I mean, I remember the pain you were in.

1464
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 1: I particularly in Portland. I remember because I was in

1465
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:26,799
Speaker 1: the locker room icing the whole time, and you couldn't

1466
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 1: literally sit in the same position for more than two minutes.

1467
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:30,680
Speaker 1: Like you would try to lay for a second. You

1468
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 1: try to sit for a second, you have to get

1469
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: up and stay and then you would have to get

1470
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 1: up and walk around. I was so close that day

1471
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 1: to being like, coach, I got a joint for you. Man,

1472
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna change everything. Anyway. Last question, um historical anybody

1473
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,719
Speaker 1: who were five people you would love to sit down

1474
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 1: and have dinner with, dead or alive. Oh man, that's

1475
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 1: a really difficult question. That's a good question. It's a

1476
01:17:56,520 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 1: good way to end it. Yeah, I'm a huge sports

1477
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 1: fan growing up. I was I was into every sport,

1478
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,640
Speaker 1: and I suppose I would want to speak with some

1479
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 1: of the people who kind of laid the foundation for

1480
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: what sports are today. Jackie Robinson would definitely be one.

1481
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 1: I would love to to to hear his story what

1482
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 1: it was really like, um, and being being such a

1483
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 1: big baseball fan. Um, Babe Ruth would be another. Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, he he was the he was the king,

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Speaker 1: and he was you know, the MG of his era.

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Speaker 1: And uh so I would from a from the baseball world,

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Speaker 1: those two guys for sure. Um. From a historical standpoint,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, this is a tough one because you know,

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Speaker 1: there's so much that that I'm learning and that I

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Speaker 1: want to learn about American history, and so you kind

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Speaker 1: of want to go back in time to our founding

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Speaker 1: fathers and see how, you know, how can we how

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Speaker 1: can we have these parallel universes of you know, pursuit

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Speaker 1: of happiness in life and liberty and and here's this

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Speaker 1: component of of slavery, right, Um, how do you reconcile

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Speaker 1: all that? Who would we ask about that? You know,

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Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson, You know, I know Jefferson had he owned slaves, right,

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Speaker 1: and he helped write the Constitution and I think going

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Speaker 1: back in time during the course of history, there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of questions about this country that that I

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Speaker 1: would want to ask and uh, you know, probably probably

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Speaker 1: starting with with with the people who were who were

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Speaker 1: putting the putting it all in place, and you know,

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Speaker 1: what was what was what was the thought process? And

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Speaker 1: I don't know, that's only three. I've only given you three. Two.

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Speaker 1: I gotta give you two more, don't I. What I'm

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Speaker 1: doing is I'm showing you how limited my outside activities

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Speaker 1: and interests are. I should be naming like some artists

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Speaker 1: or musicians or not at all. Not this, this is

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Speaker 1: your this is your dinner table, this is my is

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Speaker 1: my show, every whoever you want. Yeah, probably Lincoln for

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Speaker 1: that reason, you know, President Lincoln for that very reason,

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Speaker 1: because he would be able to bridge the education gap

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Speaker 1: between what happened and uh, you know, late seventeen hundreds

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Speaker 1: with the founding of our country to all the way

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Speaker 1: up to the Civil War. Like I'd love to hear

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Speaker 1: that that conversation and that viewpoint. And then, um, who

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Speaker 1: gets the last seat at your table? The last seat?

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Speaker 1: I'll give you one. That's a little offbeat, but James

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Speaker 1: Baldwin the author. I just read a fascinating book about

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Speaker 1: him called Begin Again, and by a writer named Eddie Gloud,

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Speaker 1: who was beautiful book. And Baldwin had the most unique

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Speaker 1: look at the Civil Rights era because of his proximity

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Speaker 1: to it and his brilliance as a writer, and his

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Speaker 1: friendship with so many of the key figures. He was

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Speaker 1: so deep and powerful as a human being. Just his humanity.

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Speaker 1: Knowing his story and learning his story, UM has been UM,

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Speaker 1: really really powerful. If you get a chance. Um. There's

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Speaker 1: a documentary about him. Well, the book is called Begin Again,

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Speaker 1: Begin Again. Where is it? There? I go, here's the book,

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Speaker 1: brilliant book, Begin Again by Eddie Cloudy's a professor at

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Speaker 1: Princeton Um. But there's a documentary about about James Baldwin

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Speaker 1: that I highly recommend. It's it's called I Am Not

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Speaker 1: Your Negro and it's about his relationship with Mega Evers,

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Speaker 1: Malcolm X and Dr King during the Civil Rights era

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Speaker 1: and all three men were murdered and Baldwin. Baldwin was

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Speaker 1: writing throughout the sixties about the Civil Rights era and

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Speaker 1: here he's watching this great hope that he has for

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Speaker 1: his country, and then these hopes are violently turned back

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Speaker 1: and his own evolution as a writer, as a human being,

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Speaker 1: and what he went through as a black American. It's

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Speaker 1: powerful stuff and one of the key figures during the

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Speaker 1: Civil Rights movement who are young people should should read

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Speaker 1: more about and read his his his stuff. I put

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Speaker 1: it in my notes as you were speaking, so I'm

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Speaker 1: definitely gonna check it out. Coach Kerr. We appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, as an honor to have you

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Speaker 1: sit down. Good luck this season. We're excited to see

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Speaker 1: what a well rested Golden State Warriors team looks like.

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Speaker 1: In a thank you, Matt, that was really fun. You're

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Speaker 1: doing a great job and all enjoy hearing hearing from

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Speaker 1: you and say, hi, did the boys you have a

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Speaker 1: new Do you have a new son? Right, Ashton? I

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Speaker 1: got a little one here. I got at Ashton's twenty

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Speaker 1: two months. Yeah, a little man. So I started all over.

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Speaker 1: So it's been a blast. Oh man, man, I'll bet you.

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Speaker 1: I'll bet he's beloved by those twins. They probably take

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Speaker 1: good care of him. This guy runs the house already.

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Speaker 1: A twenty two months I'm in trouble. Yeah, I'll bet,

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Speaker 1: oh bet. Thanks for having me. That was great. Really

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. That's a wrap all the smoke. You can

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Speaker 1: catch us on Showtime Basketball YouTube in the I Heart platform.

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