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MLB trademarks used with permission. 18 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: See show notes for details. 19 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: All they unplug is forgotten Seasons. 20 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: What is up, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of 21 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: Forgotten Seasons. Today we got the twenty sixteen Raptors with 22 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: Terrence Ross. This squad was led by the backward of 23 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: DeMar DeRozan and Kyle Lowry and won a then franchise 24 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: record fifty six games in the playoffs. They beat a 25 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: Paul George led Pacers team in seven games in round one. 26 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: They held off old man Dwayne Wade's Heat in the 27 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: second round in seven, but fell to the eventual champion 28 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: Cavs in six. The Raptors underwent a pretty dramatic turnaround 29 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: as a franchise in the back half of the twenty tens, 30 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: culminating in that twenty nineteen championship. If you can remember 31 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: the late two thousands and early twenty tens in Toronto, 32 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: things were pretty bleak. This twenty sixteen season that we're 33 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: gonna be talking about today is when they really made 34 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: a leap as a franchise. They won their first playoff 35 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: series since Vince Carter in two thousand and one when 36 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: he beat the Knicks in round one. You'll hear t 37 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: Ross talk about just how crazy the city of Toronto 38 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: was for the Raptors and the real leaps and bounds 39 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: that DeRozan and Lowry made together to put the team 40 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: in this position. Let's get into it now forgotten seasons 41 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: with Terrence Ross on the twenty sixteen Raptors begins right now. Terrence, 42 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: how's it going today? 43 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 2: Man? 44 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 3: That's great, bro. You know I have my off day, yeah, 45 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 3: right for the end of the season. So yeah, having 46 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 3: a good day. 47 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: Wrapping up the season with the Orlanto Magic. Today, we're 48 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: going back to twenty and sixteen Toronto Raptors, a historic 49 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: season for the Toronto Raptors. Before we get to twenty sixteen, 50 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 1: I want to rewind a little bit. Start with you 51 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: coming into the scene in twenty twelve. You're the eighth 52 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: pick in the draft. When you when you got drafted 53 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: to the Raptors, what did you know about the city 54 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: of Toronto and the franchise when you got there. 55 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 3: I mean, my first person in Toronto was like, really, 56 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 3: goin Sparter. You always think evinced even before you know Drake. 57 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 3: Drake was a big deal at that time. But for me, 58 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 3: I was a basketball fan, so I always thoughted Vince 59 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 3: Carter and then just knowing that it was in Canada. 60 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 2: It was in a different complete, different country. It's a 61 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 2: different feeld. 62 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 3: You kind of get all of that as soon as 63 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 3: you As soon as I heard my name going to Toronto, 64 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 3: that's kind of what I thought. 65 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: Was just man like, just a different country. You know, 66 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: you're gonna put off this city. It's just a different field. 67 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 3: So I know it's gonna be a little bit different 68 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: than most of the guys in the States, but man, 69 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 3: I love it. 70 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, we were talking a little bit just we see 71 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: now Toronto, the rabid fan base, Jurassic Park, everything is live, 72 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: but that it wasn't always the case. And I think 73 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: what's really interesting about this story is really the come 74 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: up of the Raptors and how that all happened. Just 75 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: a quick brief history of the Raptors up until this point. 76 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: So created nineteen ninety five as an expansion team. You 77 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: mentioned Vince Carter getsdrafted in nineteen ninety eight, really puts 78 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: them on the map. They have a few get a 79 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: few good seasons out of Vince, nothing nothing too successful. 80 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: Chris Bosh comes in when Vince goes out and two 81 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: first round exits, and then the late two thousands and 82 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: early twenty tens are are pretty bleak. I mean they're 83 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: rough rough. Yeah, I mean like not live at all. 84 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: Let's just put it that way. So you get there 85 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, same with Kyle Lowry twelve thirteen, you 86 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: missed the playoffs, but that's the last time that that 87 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: happens while you're there. And the next year, twenty thirteen, 88 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: is when I think the tide really starts to turn. 89 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: Two important people come into the mix, Drake and Messi Jeri. 90 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: People may laugh, but like Drake coming in in twenty 91 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: thirteen as global Ambassador or whatever his title is was 92 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: really important. And it's funny, like reading his press conference, 93 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: you could have sworn that he was just signed of 94 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: the Max to be like the starting point guard. 95 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:53,239 Speaker 4: He was heightened. 96 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: So for the people that don't know, like what does 97 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: Drake mean to the city of the Toronto man. 98 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 3: So especially when I got there, you know, Drake was 99 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 3: just coming into like that superstardom, you know I was. 100 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 2: I was listening to Drake mixtapes all throughout high school 101 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: and then in college. 102 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 3: So when I got there, that was definitely, you know, 103 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 3: one of the things that you think of, like damn, 104 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 3: you're going to the city with Drake. 105 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 2: So that was dope. 106 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 3: And I think when when he actually when we when 107 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 3: he signed on to the Raptors as like a global ambassador, 108 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 3: he did bring like a different culture, man Like he 109 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 3: made people excited about the Raptors like he was always 110 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: he was at the games a lot. 111 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: He interacted with the players. 112 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,559 Speaker 3: He's posting on the socials, he's he's getting the city 113 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 3: like into it. And I mean we got to the playoffs. 114 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 3: That that was at the twenty fourteen year, after my 115 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 3: second year in the league. We got to that and 116 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: it was crazy too because they were so special because 117 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 3: we were we had just traded Rudy, so we were 118 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 3: thinking that, you know, we're going back. It's like some 119 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 3: rebuild or it was just you know kind of not 120 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 3: you know, the season's done, and Kyle really led the 121 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 3: team with you know, the attitude is like man, we 122 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 3: all we got, this is us in a lot of room. 123 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 3: Let's just go out and ball out how we can 124 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 3: before the season is man. He that attitude, you know 125 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 3: it it grew and we find ourselves playing in for 126 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 3: like that seventh eighth spot. So it was it was 127 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 3: really one of my favorite seasons man, especially as a 128 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 3: young young guy. To see what that means, like to 129 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 3: see what type of attitude does help with the team. 130 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 3: It goes a long way, bro, And you know that 131 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 3: was a special season and you could tell right then. 132 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 3: And then when Masai came into the picture, when Kyle 133 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 3: came into the picture, when you know everybody on that 134 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: that that team kind of changed from you know, the 135 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 3: Colangelo era. The culture changed. Man, it was a different 136 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 3: culture from that point on, and you could see it. 137 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 3: You know, we made the playoffs that first year and 138 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 3: then with Messiah and then that next season we kind 139 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 3: of try to build on that and it just went 140 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 3: from there. 141 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. 142 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you guys make leaps and bounds sort of 143 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: year over year. Twenty fourteen, fifteen, the year before the 144 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: year we're focusing on, you set a franchise record for 145 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: wins and then you break that again in fifteen sixteen. 146 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: You mentioned Kyle really leading the charge there. To me, 147 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: I think he has one of the more interesting careers 148 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: that we've seen because his first like seven eight years 149 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: in the league, he was always a good player. He 150 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: played impact minutes on playoff teams, but he was nothing 151 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: like he is now and was in Toronto where he's 152 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: really put together a career where he's going to make 153 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. You get there in twelve thirteen, 154 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: and that's also his first year. And even that year 155 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: he's like splitting time with Jose Calderon and he's again 156 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: like not an all star and not what he is. 157 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: Now what sort of changed with him? I guess like 158 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: what led to that leap, because you usually don't see 159 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: players make those strides in year eight, year nine, year 160 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: ten in their career. 161 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 3: Honestly, just my opinion, I think it was his relationship 162 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 3: with Tamar I. If anybody knows tomorrow, you know how 163 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 3: how hard that guy works and him like you know, 164 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 3: how close him and Colin and they a lot of 165 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: time together. And the anytime you spend time with somebody, 166 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 3: you naturally start to take on some of the characteristics 167 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 3: and you know, pick up some tendencies or whatever. Not 168 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: to say Kyle is never a hard worker, but I 169 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 3: mean you could tell he just took a major leap 170 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: kind of from Houston to Toronto and like what he did, 171 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 3: Like because that first year he is in Toronto, he 172 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 3: did start he came off the bench behind those and 173 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 3: I mean just from any he wasn't really not as 174 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 3: a shooter. You know, there's a lot of things he 175 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,239 Speaker 3: had to work on, and then you could just see 176 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 3: the way DeMar got better and mirrored like the way 177 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 3: Kyle got there, Like Kyle came in, I mean the 178 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 3: season came in super slim. 179 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 2: He worked a lot on his jump shot. Uh, he 180 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 2: took like a huge step. 181 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 3: He took like a huge leap in the shooting abilities 182 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 3: when it comes to like three point percentages. 183 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: He was really he was really just dialed in. 184 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 3: And I think him and Damar kind of played off 185 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 3: each other and that kind of helped build them to 186 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 3: what they are now. Man, they both helped each other, honestly, 187 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: and you know, to college is he took it to 188 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: another level and you see everything coming to together and 189 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 3: like you know, the championship year. So I think honestly, 190 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 3: you know, just being like the fly on the wall 191 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 3: in that locker room and seeing those guys every day, 192 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 3: it was definitely you know, their relationship that kind of 193 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 3: pushed each other. 194 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 195 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: I mean we see like all the bromance stuff, we 196 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: see all the social media posts, but you mentioned that 197 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: the stuff that we don't see. What is that stuff 198 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: that we don't see like in the locker room with 199 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: Kyle and DeMar Man. 200 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: I mean they're like brothers. You know. 201 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 3: I've seen times where you know, they get into arguments 202 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 3: about you know whatever. It might be coverages, you know, schemes, 203 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 3: you know, so forth. But you know, no matter what, 204 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 3: they're always locked in. They're always on the same page. 205 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 3: They always have each other's backs. And I mean just 206 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 3: seeing like I'm we spend more time with each other 207 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: than we do you know, our families during the season, 208 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,599 Speaker 3: so they always sit next to each other on the 209 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: bus or you know, sitting each other at lunch, breakfast, 210 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 3: whatever it may be. It's next to each other. In film, 211 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 3: like they did everything together. They were actually like you know, 212 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 3: best friends. And that's rare to see, man, because it's, 213 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 3: you know, when you're in the league, it's you have 214 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 3: so many different teammates, Guys come and go, and you 215 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 3: know you might have a different situation and whoever. So 216 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 3: it's it's it's hard to you know, find those connections 217 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 3: where you're just like locked in with somebody like that, 218 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 3: like you known some you know from you know me 219 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 3: high So to see them to grow into that with 220 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 3: special bro and they they were the hard and soel 221 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 3: of our team. 222 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, DeMar is just another guy. It's so 223 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: amazing to see him kill it right now. And he 224 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: is another guy that made consistent leaps and bounds or 225 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: were those I assume you're battling him in practice? Allow, 226 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: you're both shooting guards, Like, what what are those matchups 227 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: like for you in practice? 228 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 4: And how does that really improve your game? 229 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 3: I mean, I I I've been following tomor since I 230 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 3: was in middle school. Yeah, I know, I've been you know, 231 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 3: I always looked up to that dude. It's like, you know, 232 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 3: a model like small Ford shooting guard. Like he did 233 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: everything like and he was a really hard worker. So 234 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: like that's that's something I really admired about him. Like 235 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 3: he just he works hard and he gets better and 236 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 3: it's it's just refreshing and see. But I mean, you know, 237 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 3: my first you know, a few years I knew who 238 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: Tomorrow was coming into you know, to the league and 239 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 3: all that, so I knew what his game was like. 240 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: So seeing him up close was like it was special. 241 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 3: So for me to like play against him, go against 242 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 3: him in practice, learn how he gets better, just watch him, 243 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 3: it helped me a lot, bro, because he's one of 244 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 3: the guys I still try to model, you know, my 245 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 3: work ethic and you know the things I do, like 246 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 3: live by. 247 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 2: Today just because of how he does. 248 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 3: And you know, you see all the success he has now, 249 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 3: it's just a part of who he is, like all 250 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 3: the work he puts in and just the type of 251 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 3: guy he is. He's he's amazing, bro. I mean, he's 252 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 3: having a great year, you can see it now. But 253 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 3: Damar has always been that dude that's you know, he's 254 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 3: always he always helped me out when I needed help, 255 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 3: like you know, defensive schemes, you know, offensive schemes, tips whatever. 256 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 3: He's always the one of the dude you can go 257 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 3: to and he's always gonna be open and chopping up 258 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 3: with you. So uh he he's a one on one 259 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 3: for a no. 260 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 4: That's dope. How many times you fall for that pump 261 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 4: fake in practice? 262 00:11:59,280 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: Man? 263 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 3: I think the first my first season was really rough 264 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 3: defensively because I was always matched up on the second 265 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 3: unit guarding Damar, and I remember those I remember the 266 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 3: first my first practice against him. Uh, I got chewed 267 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 3: out by Casey because Tomorrow went backdoor on me four 268 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 3: or five times and it was all like it was 269 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 3: the last three of them were lobs like and I 270 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 3: was trying to learn how to like tag the screen 271 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 3: and then close out to the guard, and I just 272 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 3: for whatever reason, I just couldn't get the hang of. 273 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: But Damar was just like already very skilled and knowledgeable. 274 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: At that point, and he was just he was a 275 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 3: he was a handful of So uh yeah, Lamorrow, he's 276 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 3: he's He definitely helped me out a lot. 277 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: And then Dwayne Casey you mentioned chewing him out. What 278 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: is Dwayne Casey preach as a coach? 279 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 3: Defense defense man defense? Case was always a defensive mastermind. 280 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 2: I just remember we. 281 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 3: Were always really tough no matter what, Like we always 282 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 3: had that fighting spirit that that's wearing a lot of teams, 283 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,599 Speaker 3: Like I remember those one year we led we I 284 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 3: think we led the league and like most comebacks you know, 285 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 3: down ten or something. So we had that special type 286 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 3: of like you know dog in us and I think, 287 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 3: you know, it all starts with Colin Lamar, but like 288 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 3: case was a perfect you know embodiment for that for 289 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 3: us to grow into you know, the players that we 290 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 3: become and kind of helps up that foundation for like, 291 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 3: you know, the Kyle, Fred, you know, even like uh Pascal. 292 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 3: So they all grew into that toughness because I think 293 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 3: that first year of Case really let them know like 294 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 3: the vibe that you know, we were setting coming in. 295 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 2: So Case was a really good coach for. 296 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: Us, No, no doubt. We mentioned Drake coming in. And 297 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: when Drake came and you guys were like bottom half 298 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: in attendance, I want to say, like twentieth and by 299 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: the time he the time, it's twenty sixteen. This year 300 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: you're number five. So did you notice, like ever, you're 301 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: an incremental just like growing and growing of the like 302 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: rabid fan base in Toronto because Toronto, I mean, Canada 303 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: traditionally is not you know, basketball country, but it's really 304 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: grown into that. And even in the early days of 305 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: the Raptors, they really struggled. People say that the only 306 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 1: reason they stayed in Toronto is because they got Vince 307 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: and and you know it's Air Canada. But what did 308 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: you notice just year over year with the heartbeat of 309 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 1: the city as it related to the Raptors. 310 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 3: No, for sure, you know, Drake, he sets the vibe 311 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 3: in Toronto. Man, Like you know, everybody's ovo this. Everybody 312 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 3: wants to go to Ovo fest O, real weekend caravan. 313 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 3: So it's all like Drake sets a really good vibe 314 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 3: in Toronto and he has a really huge cult following 315 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 3: and he's a hero, so I mean he's people are 316 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 3: going to to listen to gravitate toward what he's gravitating too. 317 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 3: So I feel like once he started getting really you know, 318 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 3: involved with the team, I mean maybe my first dunk contest. 319 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 4: He was grown it up to you, Bro, He's. 320 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 2: He's sitting course high going crazy. 321 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 3: I'm tapping him up and he gave me his chains 322 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 3: all that, so I'm like, bro, this is it was fun. 323 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 3: So you can get the vibe that he was really 324 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 3: you know, you know, having fun with the team. So 325 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 3: I think just later on when he actually got that 326 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 3: deal with the team, ain't and he kind of could 327 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 3: do what he wanted to do. He started getting Ovo 328 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 3: inspired jerseys, Like he really brought the vibe. And I 329 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 3: think us getting to the playoffs helped, but he helped 330 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 3: bring like the extra support and the extra like hey, 331 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 3: like we've watching the Raptors or did you see Drake 332 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 3: at the game? 333 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: Did you see this and that? So it was great. 334 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 3: Bro, especially his relationship with Lou Will too, was like 335 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 3: I mean after like six Man came out with Lou 336 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 3: winning six Man, I'm always hatting him hanging out in 337 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 3: the studio this and that. Like you can just tell 338 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 3: like he was really vibe with the city and you 339 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 3: can tell the guys really started to notice that, you know, 340 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 3: other places in the league, and you know, Toronto starts 341 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 3: becoming like a really fun place to be when you're winning. 342 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 3: Like there's nothing like Toronto when you're winning, Like everybody 343 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 3: goes crazy. So I can't imagine what, you know, winning 344 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 3: a championship is like, So shout out to Drake Bro. 345 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: He really you know, he really put on for the team. 346 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: What's something that that maybe people don't know about him? 347 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: I mean we see the superstar mentality, but we also 348 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: hear about his kind of business acumen. What's something that 349 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: just the everyday person wouldn't wouldn't expector wouldn't know about Drake. 350 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: He's he's actually a fan. It's a really good guy. 351 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 3: Like he's he's not just like you know, big Dog 352 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 3: to where he's just only talking to the superstars on 353 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 3: the team. Like Bro, he was cool with everybody down 354 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 3: the line, like everybody could hit him up on Instagram, 355 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 3: get his number, chop it up with him, whatever, Like 356 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 3: he was cool with everybody. 357 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 2: I think it was just that lovement. 358 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 3: And him being so genuine that, you know, kind of 359 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 3: fit the culture that we were in. 360 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 2: So he felt like he was one of us. 361 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 3: Bro He's in the locker room with his hat, their games, 362 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 3: like I'm asking him for shoes and I'm looking it 363 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 3: up with his homeboys and I'm talking to this buddy. 364 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 3: So it's just like you felt like, you know, he 365 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 3: just made everybody feel like one big family. 366 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 4: It's dope. 367 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: It's it's crazy how much somebody that isn't on the 368 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: actual basketball team can really elevate a team and a city. 369 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: It's a I think it's a great model for like 370 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: other other smaller market teams to I mean, there's there's 371 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: only one Drake, but he's a Spike. 372 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 2: Of Toronto BROPI is. 373 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: Even more though I know for sure, like Spike is 374 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: a Spike is court high, but like. 375 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 3: Drake is part of the team. 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It was an amazing playoffs. 401 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: So you guys were a part of some great series. 402 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: But looking at the East, it's you guys up top 403 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: with fifty six wins at the number two seed, and 404 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: then Cleveland at the number one seed with fifty seven 405 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: wins at the shooting guard position. We have sort of 406 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,479 Speaker 1: a change of eras. This is the end of Dwayne Wade, 407 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: He's got a few years left after. This is the 408 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: last year of Kobe Bryant. We have Harden really coming 409 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: up in his prime. We got Clay Jimmy Butler. 410 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 2: Uh. 411 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you're battling with Damar every day in practice. 412 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: But for you, who were the guys that one you 413 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: you like, really cherished the matchups and two kind. 414 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 4: Of gave you, gave you, gave you, gave you problems. 415 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 3: I think it was always really like the bigger Wings. 416 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 3: So definitely like Paul George, he was always a tricky matchup. 417 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: And this is after this is like his first season 418 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: that he's really back after that leg injury too. 419 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is like this is a playoff series. 420 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: I think we had them and maybe first and then 421 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 2: he took them like the seven games six games or 422 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 2: something against. So, yeah, you can see him. 423 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 3: He was he was hitting amazing shots, and I think 424 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 3: just for those first few years because he was when 425 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 3: I got into the league, he was just coming off 426 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 3: of like that that tournament run where he dunked on 427 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 3: Berdman and you know, he was challenging, you know, the 428 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 3: big three in Miami. So he had just started to 429 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 3: come into his own and we played him a lot. 430 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 3: So he's one of the dudes that was always really 431 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 3: fun to watch and one guys that you know, I 432 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 3: kind of looked up to Carmelo when he was in 433 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 3: New York my first couple of years, was really tough. 434 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 2: J R. Smith to me, I was not matched up 435 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 2: a lot with, especially when he was in Cleveland and 436 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: New York. 437 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,239 Speaker 1: Similar play styles. Yeah, you look up to him at all, 438 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: Like when you were younger watching every. 439 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 3: No, No, he was always an exciting player because you 440 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 3: just never know what he's going to do next, Like 441 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 3: he's going to do something crazy where he's going to 442 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 3: do a dunk or a three sixty three point corner shot, 443 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 3: Like you just didn't know what to expect for him. 444 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 3: So he was fun to watch an aspect, but like, 445 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 3: guarding him was incredibly tricky because you know, he's capable 446 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 3: of doing things and if you if he gets one 447 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 3: feel good shot, you know that's a dude that. 448 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 2: Can go for forty so crazy. Yeah, he was one 449 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: of the guys. 450 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,239 Speaker 3: Klay Thompson was really tough because that's when you know 451 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 3: they had already won a ring and he's you know, 452 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 3: the Splash Brothers with full effect, and it was just 453 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 3: he was a really tough guy to guard. JJ Reddick too, 454 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 3: at you know, at one point was really tough when 455 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 3: he was with the Clippers. I think he was leading 456 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 3: the league and first first quarter scoring. Docus's run him 457 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 3: off the screens religiously. So he is tough guy. Anybody 458 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 3: that could shoot was was tough. So a bunch of guys. 459 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: Is that just harder and more annoying to you guarding 460 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: those guys that are just running off a million like 461 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: flare screens, cross screens, versus the guys that are just 462 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: gonna take you one on one. 463 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's almost like pitch your poison 464 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 3: because you know there's guys like James Harden who's gonna 465 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 3: have to ball in his hand. 466 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 2: He's gonna do a lot iceo and try to get 467 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 2: you moving. But uh huh. 468 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 3: You know some if you know, if you know what 469 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 3: you're doing, like you can you can get in front 470 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 3: of him and you can just know that if you 471 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 3: keep your hands back, and it's it's a lot easier 472 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 3: said than done, but like you can kind of control 473 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 3: that because you know you have help with other people. 474 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 3: But with shooters, man, it was tough because you know 475 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 3: you're doing. 476 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 2: A lot of running and like like those Marco Bellnelli guys, 477 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: like even if you're right there, they're gonna. 478 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 4: You're going deep. You're going to deep, You're going deep cuts. 479 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 2: I love it. 480 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, So like it's just those are the guys 481 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 3: that I was guarded, Like even when you're talking about 482 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, these are the guys like in their prime 483 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 3: where they were just gunning and shooting and running. So 484 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 3: like the Kyle Korris everybody like that. So I was 485 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 3: I was the young guy that had to run because 486 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 3: Lamar wasn't chasing those guys. 487 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: Where did you learn just to be able to shoot 488 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: so well, like almost even without your feet, like you're 489 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: you're you're running off stuff. Obviously you'resing your legs like 490 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: any shooter, but it doesn't matter where your feet are pointing. 491 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: Was there anybody that you learned from or that you 492 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: watch to just just help you with with that style 493 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: of play? 494 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 3: So growing up, growing up, I was always a decent shooter, 495 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 3: like a really good shooter. 496 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 2: So that's something that always felt really natural to me. 497 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 3: And I just realized and I always struggle with my 498 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 3: handles growing up, so like I relied way more on 499 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 3: my on my shots, so like just me trying to 500 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 3: always get squared, get shots off in like difficult spots 501 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 3: because I knew like playing my friends, we used to 502 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 3: play a lot at twenty one, and so I know, 503 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 3: like if I'm ever gonna win, I can't do all 504 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 3: this dribbling, I have to literally rely on my jump shot. 505 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 3: And that's one thing I kind of developed more as 506 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 3: I got older, Like as my dribbles start to get better, 507 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 3: I start to put two and two together. So once 508 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 3: I got to the league, I kind of had a combination, 509 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 3: like I kind of looked at to guys like Rick 510 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 3: Hamilton and and like Reggie Miller because they can move 511 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 3: without the ball and they could no matter if you 512 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 3: were there or not, Like they can get their shot 513 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 3: off in front of you, to the side of you, wherever. 514 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 2: So those are kind of guys I liked because I 515 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 2: used to get ran. 516 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 3: Off the screens a lot and you know, something I 517 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 3: felt comfortable with. So once I got to the league, 518 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 3: I kind of try to develop that more and like 519 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 3: a little that Jr. Smith's South start to you know, 520 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 3: come together where I'm I'm I'm jumping through and I'm 521 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 3: shooting and you know, it was just it's just something 522 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 3: that kind of came together. 523 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: So coming back to the season, you mentioned that seven 524 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: game series against Indiana, you guys advance past them, get 525 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: past Paul George, and then round two is against Miami. 526 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: And this is a team that I think is one 527 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: of the most random and like forgotten teams. Like they 528 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: have old Dwayne Wade, they have Joe Johnson, lou All, 529 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: dang Amari Stottameyer is starting a few games starting with 530 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: d Wade. I mean he's like thirty four to thirty 531 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: five years old, but he averages twenty four points per 532 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: game this series. He gives you thirty a few times. 533 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: What do you remember from old Man d Wade at 534 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: that time? 535 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 2: He was very savvy. He was very very smart. He's 536 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 2: IQ for the game, especially in the guard spot. It 537 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 2: was good because he can shoot it. He was very 538 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 2: capable of shooting, and you know, he had his feet set. 539 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 2: He can hit threes. But he wasn't relying on that. 540 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 2: So everything he was. 541 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 3: Doing was more so like slashing ball handling, you know, 542 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 3: getting to the rim. So for him to do that 543 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 3: at that age was just him relying on you know, 544 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 3: his skills and his in tangibles, rabling his athleticism in 545 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 3: his youth. So I remember him just being really smart. 546 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 3: I'll never forget, like, and it's something I used to 547 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 3: this day. This is like a move I get from 548 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 3: d Way because I use it a lot now, I'll 549 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 3: never forget. I was guarding him in the corner on 550 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 3: the wing and I'm like already noticed, like, okay, it's 551 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 3: a pin down for d Waighte. 552 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: They're calling it. I see the big coming towards me. 553 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 3: So I'm like overthinking in my head, like how am 554 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 3: I going to guard this because he's really fast off 555 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 3: these screens and like he needs one dribble and he's 556 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 3: a euro set whatever to the basket. So I'm trying 557 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 3: to think, Okay, what can I do to keep up 558 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 3: with him off the screen? 559 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 2: So I jump. We're in the corner, in the left 560 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 2: handed corner, so I jumped on his outside rat, which 561 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: I don't know why I did that, because I'm trying 562 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 2: to like follow to stay on his back across the screen. 563 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he just face cuts straight to the basket 564 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 3: for like an easy left, and it's like something I 565 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 3: didn't think of this because it's like my second it's 566 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 3: not my first second year, and I'm just trying to, 567 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 3: you know, make sure I don't. 568 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 2: Give up this easy bucket. 569 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 3: And then him just being so smart, he's just like, oh, 570 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 3: he sells it off the screen, goes right back door 571 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 3: lay up. And now that's something I do all the time. 572 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 3: I'll get all my little three sixty dunks, my windmills, 573 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 3: because I I literally do the same thing he does. 574 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 3: If somebody's if somebody's trying to play me from going 575 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 3: off the screen, I'll take one hard step, I'll go 576 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 3: back door. And if they know that the back door's 577 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 3: coming and they get up on like my high side, 578 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 3: or they try to get on the opposite side. 579 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 2: I do the same thing. I just do a face 580 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 2: cut straight to the basket. 581 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 3: And that's something I always think about because I get 582 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 3: all my favorite dunks from what d Wade taught me 583 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 3: that one night when I got burnt, so that he's 584 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 3: just so savvy and like going into that series, he 585 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 3: was just he still had a lot of that and 586 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 3: he had more help. So he had Joe Johnson who 587 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 3: could play bully ball. He had was Gordon Dargas was 588 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 3: on that team. I mean they had some like love Dang. 589 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 3: They had like guys who were very serviceable and just 590 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 3: like old vets that knew how to play. So that 591 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 3: helped take the load off. But he was still in 592 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 3: full attack mode, and man. 593 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 2: It was tough. It was really tough. We had to 594 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: fight for them. 595 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, you had to fight. 596 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: I loved just watching older players because obviously d Wade 597 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: one of the best athletes ever when he was in 598 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: his prime. But it's great to see like the skill 599 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: level really sticking him to add those smarts that that 600 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: was a great story. 601 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 4: Going into the next round. 602 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: This is what it's all about you got Lebron in 603 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference Finals. The Raptors had never been to 604 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference Finals. The city is going crazy. First, 605 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I know the answer that 606 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: there's really nothing that you can do. But going back 607 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: and trying to think about like the locker room and 608 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: the pregame Pepper preparation in the film set sessions, what 609 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: is Dwayne Casey and the coaching staff trying to tell 610 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 1: you guys leading up to this series where you're playing 611 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: Lebron Kyrie and k Love, Like, what is what is 612 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: just the overall game plan going into the series. 613 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 3: Remember, the vibe going in was we were like really tired, 614 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 3: like we had made it really hard on ourselves going 615 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 3: seven and six and it was first two. 616 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 4: Round seven seven seven. You went seven to seven. 617 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 2: And seven and they went yeah, and then they. 618 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 4: Went for four four four yeah. 619 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 2: So they've been off for like a week and they're 620 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 2: just like, you know, chilling out. So I remember that 621 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 2: was like, all. 622 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 3: Right, we knew that was their advantage going in, So 623 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 3: we were thinking about how could we make this like 624 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,360 Speaker 3: it is Raddy and muck it up as much as 625 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 3: we can, and you know, because with Lebron, he can score. 626 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 3: Like people don't think that Lebron is a great scorer, 627 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 3: but he's such a phenomenal playmaker that he's that's like 628 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 3: almost another way he scored. So I remember one of 629 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 3: the biggest things was trying to make Lebron score. Like 630 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 3: we were trying to be like, all right, we know 631 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 3: that if we try to crowd into him and we're 632 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 3: all focused on him, he's gonna pick us apart and 633 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 3: we're not going to see it. He has good shooters, Kyrie, 634 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 3: he's like, you know, handle God to get past defenses. 635 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 2: So like we're trying to make it so. 636 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 3: That no, we're gonna try to wear him down over 637 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 3: two or three games and then it's just like now 638 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 3: they're gonna have to rely on somebody else to do 639 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 3: the scorings. But man was it was tough. Man he 640 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 3: It's it's hard to wear that guy down. Like he's 641 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 3: just he was still very athletic at that point, and 642 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 3: he's really fast, he was big, he can shoot. Kyrie 643 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 3: really made a difference because at times, like when we 644 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 3: felt like we were controlling the game, Kyrie would do 645 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 3: something to break out, get it, you know, a little lopsided. 646 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 3: So that was tough. Yeah, bro, it was it was tough. 647 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 3: I mean that game with five, I remember we got 648 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 3: two wins. I remember we got did we. 649 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 2: Get one win in Toronto and one win? 650 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 4: And they took it. 651 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: They took the first two games and then you guys 652 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: tied it up to too and then five and six 653 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: they kind of lay this down, and I. 654 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 2: Think, and I think that's when we start running out 655 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 2: of gas. 656 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 3: It was those last two games and we were just 657 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 3: running on e and it was just they were just 658 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 3: hitting another level. 659 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: Not to like just start any speculation, but I always wonder, like, 660 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: what what what is the reason why Lebron and Kyrie 661 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: like whatever whatever happened, weren't able to like ride it 662 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: out together. Do you think it was just Kyrie like 663 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,719 Speaker 1: just sort of not wanting to be in the shadow 664 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: of one of the greatest players ever and sort of 665 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: try it on his own. 666 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 4: Like what is your take there? 667 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to stay man. 668 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure that could be you know, aspect 669 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 3: of it as well as you know, And I can't 670 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 3: imagine the pressures that come along playing. 671 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 2: With Lebron and the standard he holds people too. I mean, 672 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 2: and it's hard to like, this was like Lebron's like 673 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 2: second kind of like you know, Big three, Big two, 674 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 2: and you know, you have the standard of living up to. 675 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 3: D Wade and Chris Bosh and it's just a lot 676 00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 3: of that and and I get it. 677 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 2: I can't imagine with the day to day is like 678 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 2: just to be around that guy twenty four to seven. 679 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 3: So it's hard to say, Bro, it's someone that goes 680 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 3: into it and I know, like Lebron does a lot 681 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 3: of you know, he carries. 682 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 2: The team and gets to the championship, and I mean, 683 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 2: but Kyrie did a lot of legwork in that in 684 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: like that series. 685 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 3: But it's hard to say. I'm sure there's a little 686 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 3: bit of that. I'm sure there's a little bit of pressure, 687 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 3: and I'm sure and I'm sure there's a little bit 688 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 3: of wanting to prove that hey, I can do this 689 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 3: on my own, like and it's just it's just tough. 690 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 2: I don't know, it's it's hard. I wish I would 691 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 2: have this. I don't know. 692 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: No, No, it's fine. I mean I think when the 693 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: dust settles, I think it's too recent. But when we 694 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: look back at fifteen sixteen seventeen and those two like 695 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: that is just one of the best duos of all 696 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: time flat out. 697 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 3: Oh yeah in hindsight, Yeah, that's and that's hard to say. 698 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 3: But but that's the thing though, Like you, it's you 699 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 3: wish that people could realize these type of things in 700 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 3: the moment and appreciate it for what it is. But 701 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 3: it's it's hard, man, because I can. I well, Lebron 702 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 3: he's trying to create a dynasty. He wants more. I 703 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 3: know Kyrie wants more. But it's just it's a lot. 704 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 3: It's so much that goes into it. It's really hard 705 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 3: to be with those teams that go, you know, three 706 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 3: peaks and create dynasties like Subjects and the Lakers and 707 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 3: the Bulls. 708 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 2: Like the having of them. So who knows, maw, you know, 709 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 2: pressure you know gets to everybody and not say it's that, 710 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 2: but who knows. 711 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm glad you said you wish that 712 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: people could just like enjoy the moment because I taught 713 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: it comes up pretty much every time I interviewed player. 714 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: It's like these days, I don't know, for whatever reason, 715 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: maybe it's just people wanted to start conversations their arguments, 716 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: but it's always like, yeah, Kyrie and Lebron are are 717 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: playing great, but are they as good as like Lebron 718 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: and Wade where it's like who cares, you. 719 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 4: Know, like they're their own things. 720 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 721 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, So you guys losing six to Cleveland, you get 722 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: traded the next season sixteen seventeen, like reaction, initial thoughts 723 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,479 Speaker 1: when when you got traded? 724 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 2: Man? So I'll never forget. So we were in Chicago. 725 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 2: We had a way a game. 726 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 3: We're in Chicago and I'm asking, you know, I'm I'm 727 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 3: asking people like, what do. 728 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 2: You think is gonna happen during the trade. 729 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 3: My agent calls me, He's just like, you know, I 730 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 3: think that it's hard to say right now, I don't 731 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 3: thinking he's gonna happen, but I'll keep you up to 732 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 3: dates inking does. And so I remember that night, I 733 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 3: get a call, I get a text from Kyle saying 734 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 3: like hey, man, like, I just heard, you know from. 735 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 2: My agent that they're gonna trade you tomorrow. And I 736 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 2: had literally just got my phone with my agent. 737 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 3: Now he's just like, well, I just literally just said, 738 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 3: you know, he doesn't think a thing's gonna happen. So 739 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 3: I don't know he's like all right, you know, just 740 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 3: he's like, hey, just you heard it here. First, I 741 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 3: was like, all right, cool, Kyle is looking out for 742 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 3: my big brother, so I'll never forget. So we have 743 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 3: a we have shoot around. The next morning, I go 744 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 3: outside to open my door and it was doing Casey's 745 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 3: standing there because that's because you have to open the 746 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 3: door to get up. We have to get They put 747 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 3: our loops on jerseys outside the door. So I was 748 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 3: just getting my loop. He's outside the door and I'm 749 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 3: like and he comes in. He's like, hey man, I 750 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 3: just wanted to tell you first that, you know, we 751 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 3: just found out we're trading you to Orlando, this and that. 752 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 2: So I'm just sitting on the bad case. He's sitting there. 753 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 2: I'm just like dang. 754 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 3: So I'm just like kind of taking it in. And 755 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 3: then it wasn't like I was like super. 756 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 2: Sad or or hurt. It was more so like. 757 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 3: I was just like, all right, well, I was just 758 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 3: kind of like anxious for this next step and you 759 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 3: know what my career was going to because, like, you know, 760 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 3: it was fun, like I had a lot of good 761 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 3: times in Toronto, but I felt like there was a 762 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 3: point where it's just like I'm either gonna stay like 763 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 3: in this role of just kind of being just three 764 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,479 Speaker 3: point shooter that you know, occasionally does something, or it's 765 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 3: like it's gonna push me to, you know, take a 766 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 3: step of my game and kind of evolve. So I 767 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 3: was kind of excited for that. But I mean, anytime 768 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 3: you get traded, it's like that nerve wracking feel. It's 769 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 3: my first time. I didn't know what the procedure was, 770 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 3: I didn't know what was gonna happen next, so uh 771 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 3: it was. 772 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,959 Speaker 2: It was crazy, but ultimately I'm I'm I'm glad it happened. 773 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,479 Speaker 1: And then just a few years later, what are what 774 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: are the thoughts going through your mind when you see 775 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: like Kyle lifting the trophy at the championship and like 776 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: you're not there, DeMar's not there? Is that it must 777 00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: just be like weird to look at like is it? 778 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're happy for everyone in Toronto who you 779 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: were there with, but is there any party that's like, 780 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: damn man, like wish I was there. 781 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 3: My first initial reaction was no fucking way, like no what? 782 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 3: And you know, so after we had lost in that 783 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 3: twenty sixteen to Cleveland and Cleveland went back to go 784 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 3: three to one whatever and win the championship. I see, honestly, 785 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 3: Toronto started that whole like bring your fans in the 786 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 3: European vibe, like everybody ouse side going crazy. We started that. 787 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 3: Cleveland kind of copies that during that same season, and 788 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 3: so when they're doing their their parade, everybody's outside going 789 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,280 Speaker 3: crazy this and that, and I'll never forget. I text 790 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 3: Kyle like, we have to do like like I went 791 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 3: to win attention, Like we have to like do this, 792 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 3: this has to happen for us, and he was like, hey, man, 793 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 3: I'm watching this right with you, like I want this 794 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 3: to happened too, Like we're gonna make it happen. 795 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 2: And it's so crazy. 796 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 3: Two years later, woo history and I'm just like I 797 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 3: was that close, But ultimately I was so happy for 798 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 3: the guys. I was still close to a lot of 799 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 3: the guys on the team. I was still close with Freddie, 800 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 3: uh you know Delon, not dlon No. I was still 801 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 3: with Freddie, Norm Pascal, like, I kept in touch with 802 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 3: those guys. So it was just even though I didn't win, 803 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 3: it felt like I was still because you know I was. 804 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,839 Speaker 3: I'd never met anybody who was that close to people 805 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 3: who won the championship, So it was it was a 806 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 3: special time. It was it was kind of surreal and numb. 807 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 3: And the one other thing I was thinking was like, 808 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 3: I really can't feel too bad because like I know, 809 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 3: Damar is feeling worse. So I'm just like that kind 810 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 3: of helped put things into perspective. But I mean, at 811 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 3: the end of the day, I I was happy for 812 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:42,919 Speaker 3: my guys. 813 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I can, I can imagine. 814 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: Uh, Like I said, I I just love sort of 815 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: trying to look at look at the years and and 816 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: what's changing, and really the rise of the Raptors where 817 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: they are now as just one of the perennial, like 818 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,040 Speaker 1: good solid franchises in the league, and for them to 819 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 1: be in the situation where they were when you first 820 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: got there, which is no man's land, not much of 821 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: an identity to by the time you left, Like this 822 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,720 Speaker 1: is really one of the most exciting cities and rabid 823 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,919 Speaker 1: fan bases that we have. So thank you for your time. Man, 824 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: this this was great. I mean, real quick, you're in 825 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: the league now, who you got winning this year? 826 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 4: What do you think. 827 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 2: It's gonna be? A bold take? 828 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 3: And I literally said this last year, but I got, 829 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 3: I got Phoenix and Phoenix in five or six. I 830 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 3: don't just like if it if it's the Bucks again, 831 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 3: I got, I got, I got the Suns in the 832 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 3: five or six just like a machine. 833 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 2: Bro. Have you seen him? Devin Blocker needs to be 834 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 2: the MVP. I don't. I know that. 835 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 3: I know that you know Jok and beat her balling out, 836 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 3: but that guy needs to be d because he's he's 837 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 3: leading the number one. 838 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,760 Speaker 4: Team and franchise franchise record, and that's. 839 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 2: How you to go back in the day. 840 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 3: I understand it's always been robberies, but for him to 841 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 3: not be mentioned is ridiculous. 842 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's crazy. Well, it's gonna be a good postseason. 843 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: Thank you for your time. 844 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Thank you for having me. 845 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: Thank you everybody for listening. This was Forgotten Seasons on 846 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen Raptors with Terrence Ross. Drop a rating 847 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: and review. If you liked what you just listened to, 848 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 1: we will be back next week and I will catch 849 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: you then.