1 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: Welcome on and all to the Here Territory Podcast. My 2 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: name is Sean Coleman. Hope, wherever you are and wherever 3 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: you are listening, you had an amazing weekend. You had 4 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: an amazing Monday, and you had an amazing time seeing 5 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: the Braves get a victory against what should be a 6 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: playoff team, one of the better pictures in the National 7 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: League on the mound, the Braves countered with Bryce Elverer, 8 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: who's been absolutely magnificent as of late, and the Braves 9 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: got a victory. And of course, with where we are 10 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: in the time of the season, none of that matters 11 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: with the news that was dropped today. Kidding aside, we 12 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: have an action packed episode of the Hammer Territory Podcast 13 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: with you and, as always, the best podcast partner that 14 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: anyone can think of for myself, Steven Tobert is here 15 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: as always. Steven. Good getting to see you, sir, Hope 16 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: all has been well on your end. You actually got 17 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: to see your team win a college football game this weekend. 18 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 2: Go ahead, Steven, Wow, that's how we're starting. Okay, all right, 19 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 2: it's gonna be that kind of show. What's up, buddy? 20 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 3: Who needs enemies when you got friends like these? Yeah, 21 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 3: we actually got to see a win for the Braves tonight. 22 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 3: I'm not talking about my college football team. We got 23 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: to see a win tonight. Bryce Elder Pischwell, we're gonna 24 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 3: get into all that, but unfortunately, the news of the 25 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 3: day kind of stole the headlines. And you could probably 26 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 3: tell if you're listening to this or watching this by 27 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 3: the headlines that we had some pretty massive, unexpected, kind 28 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 3: of bombshell news come out about one or two PM 29 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: something like that, and it, you know, has big effects 30 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 3: on the rest of the season, potentially on next season, 31 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 3: potentially on the off season. 32 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: So there's a lot to get into tonight. 33 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and we'll get jumped right into it. Of course, 34 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: can't thank you enough for tuning in, watching, listening however 35 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: you enjoy the hamm a Territory podcast. We cannot thank 36 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: you enough for all the support part of the Foul 37 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: Territory family of podcasts. And what Stephen is alluding to 38 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: is that earlier this afternoon it was announced by the 39 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: Braves who had made multiple roster moves, which we'll get 40 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 1: into a bit later on the show, the specifics of 41 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: the roster moves that they made, but the big news 42 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: of the day concerns Sean Murphy and the fact that 43 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: Sean Murphy will be out for the rest of the 44 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: year and likely we'll be rehabbing for much of the 45 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: off season due to a tear in his hip. 46 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: Now. 47 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: I can't remember if it was the labrum or something 48 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: along those lines, but it's a significant injury that is 49 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 1: actually going to require surgery later this week. That, in 50 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: of itself is a significant development. That is a significant 51 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: news nugget in and of itself. But adding to adding 52 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: to that is how this all came about, Stephen. You 53 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: know the fact that you know, Sean Murphy basically has 54 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: been dealing with this for three years. He's dealt with it, 55 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: he's he's gonna gone through pain management, He's dealt with 56 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: others while dealing with this, and then it just got 57 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: to the point, evidently over the weekend where it just 58 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: came again. The word use was unbearable. But the fact 59 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: is is that this has been going on for three 60 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: years and the organization didn't find out about it till Sunday. That, 61 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: of itself, I think it's fair to raise questions about that. 62 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: So let's get into it, Stephen, what were your initial 63 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: reactions and you know what questions did you formulate and 64 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: come back with the answer so on? Just what were 65 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: your initial thoughts when you heard all the details of 66 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: this pretty significant development when it comes to Sean Murphy. 67 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was a bombshell. 68 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 3: Of course, he's got a I think it's called a 69 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: laboral tear and his hip. 70 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: He is gonna have the surgery. 71 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 3: There's different treatments if you do the surgery, and it's 72 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: it ends up being a four to six month kind 73 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: of recovery time, and obviously six months is where you 74 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 3: get into spring training. So you know, when the Braves 75 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: announced it today, they announced that he's gonna be ready 76 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: for spring training, that felt a little optimistic to me. 77 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 3: I'm not sure I would write that in pen just yet. 78 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 3: I've actually talked to some people in the last few 79 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 3: hours since this all came out that that either have 80 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 3: had this surgery or have family that have had this surgery, 81 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 3: and They've all said the same thing. This is a major, 82 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 3: major surgery and it takes a long time to come 83 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 3: back from. And so I'm not sure I would just 84 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 3: go ahead and say full on that Sean Murphy's gonna 85 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: be one hundred percent ready to go for spring training. 86 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 3: I'm not sure that's true, but yeah, it was shocking 87 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 3: the news dropped. And then immediately after the news drop, 88 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 3: we found out that he's been dealing with this for 89 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 3: three years. He told the team about it this week, 90 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: but he's been dealing with it off and on for 91 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 3: three years, which. 92 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: Is crazy to me. 93 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 3: I don't understand this culture of like trying to play hurt. 94 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 3: You know, started with Freddy free I did start with 95 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 3: Freddy Freeman, but kind of Freddy Freeman was the most 96 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 3: famous case in recent history. With the Braves were like, 97 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 3: you know, you got to be out there every day, 98 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: and you can't. You can't miss time, and you gotta 99 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 3: ignore injuries and even if you're even if you're not, 100 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 3: you know, playing able to play to your best, you 101 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 3: should still be out there. And I'm not a big 102 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 3: fan of that mindset, to be honest, I think it 103 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 3: ends up doing more hurt than good. In Shawn's case, 104 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: I think it's certainly done more hurt than good. Especially 105 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: listen after twenty twenty three, you know he had that 106 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 3: amazing season. He's got a he's got a fully guaranteed contract, 107 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: Like he's not playing for more money, Like, just be 108 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,239 Speaker 3: honest with the team that you're hurt. 109 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: And we're talking about a hip. 110 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 3: I mean, we're talking about imagine trying to hit, you know, 111 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 3: I mean, think about how your hips fire when you're 112 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 3: trying to swing a baseball bat or a golf club 113 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 3: or anything athletic. Now imagine trying to hit major league 114 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 3: pitching with a torn hip. I mean, I just don't 115 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 3: understand why. I mean, I do understand the highly competitive 116 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 3: people they want to be out there, but like you know, 117 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 3: this stuff kind of drives me crazy a little bit. 118 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 3: And I disagree with the way Sean handled it. He 119 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: should have been up front from the beginning. I understand 120 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 3: it's somewhat of a pain tolerance thing, and the pain 121 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 3: got to the point where he just couldn't bear it anymore. 122 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 3: But by that point you should have said something a 123 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 3: long time ago, long time ago. So yeah, it was. 124 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 3: It was a shock. It's a shock how long he's 125 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: been dealing with it. And again with the timetable, I 126 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 3: know they said he's gonna be ready for spring training. 127 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: I'm not sure I would go that far just yet. 128 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: And let's also look at it from the perspective of 129 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: you know, this is now a trend with Sean Murphy. 130 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: You talk about, you know, trying to hit with a 131 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: with a pretty significant hip injury trying to catch as well, 132 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,559 Speaker 1: you know, having an injured hip while trying to catch 133 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: that has got to be painful also. So the first 134 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: thing I want to say is I agree with you, 135 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: is that at some point along the line, this shouldn't 136 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: have gone on three years without their being more knowledge 137 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: known about what was happening. Especially last year. I know 138 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: the Braves really didn't have, you know, a secondary option 139 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: besides Travis Darnaud to come in and pair with him. 140 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: But Sean Murphy has to say something, you know, and 141 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: I don't. Necessarily I can't speak to how big of 142 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: a culture still remains of trying to play through injuries 143 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: and all that, but I will say that this organization 144 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: now has a track record this season alone of questionable 145 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: developments leading to significant injury concerns. You know, there was 146 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: the coaching staff not being able to recognize what was 147 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: going on with aj Smith Shaver. It took Spencer Striders 148 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: saying something. Of course, the Acunya you know scenario in 149 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: which he played, you know, with what he felt was 150 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: a hurt achilles, and now this Sean Murphy development. I'm 151 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: not saying as if the organization is doing something completely wrong, 152 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: but there just seems to be a lack of effective 153 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: level awareness of when a player is playing hurt and 154 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: that has got to improve, especially with how much injuries 155 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: have impacted this team over the past couple of years. 156 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: That's the first thought that I want to hit on. 157 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: The second thought now, is the ripple effect that this 158 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: has on the off season, because now this pretty much 159 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: put in place, I know that you could probably bring 160 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: or you could probably still look to trade Sean Murphy 161 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: if you found the right deal, but teams are going 162 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: to sit there and want to pay a probably a 163 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: good enough price for you to consider trading Sean Murphy 164 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: with him now coming off two years of significant injuries 165 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: and the fact that he has struggled at the plate 166 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: outside of July of this year over the past two years. See, 167 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: that's the other thing that stands out about this is 168 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: that now we're going to in twenty and twenty four, 169 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: twenty and twenty five, and likely twenty and twenty six, 170 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: and each of those in the past three years, Sean 171 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: Murphy will have started the season on the IL. I 172 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: imagine that's how he's going to start twenty twenty six. 173 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: So not only does this impact potentially your off season 174 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: plans because now Sean Murphy doesn't become a trade asset, 175 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: he likely is going to be with the team. You 176 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: also are probably going to have to figure out your 177 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: catching position behind Drake Baldwin to start next year. So 178 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: in multiple ways, it has a significant impact and unexpected 179 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: impact on next year's plans. 180 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just uncertainty. 181 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 3: And you know, for such a large part of the season, 182 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 3: one of the only things the Braves had going for 183 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 3: them was like their catcher position was. 184 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: One of the best in baseball. 185 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 3: I mean, there was a big chunk of the early 186 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 3: part of the season really, probably the first three or 187 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 3: four months, where Baldwin and Murphy were arguably the best 188 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 3: catching tandem and baseball, and that's one of the few 189 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 3: things the Braves could kind of count on. And now 190 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: you go into the offseason and you already have uncertainty 191 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 3: at so many other places, especially the rotation, where you know, 192 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 3: it's probably the most significant level of uncertainty and most 193 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 3: impactful in terms of its you know, how it can 194 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 3: change an entire season, you have uncertainty in the bullpen. 195 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 3: You still have a uncertainty with your offense, you know, 196 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 3: and now you've got you know, what was originally one 197 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 3: of your better you know, positional setups with Baldwoo Murphy. 198 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 3: Now that's uncertain because you don't know what Murphy's gonna 199 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 3: be doing next year. You don't know how long he's 200 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 3: gonna be, you don't know how his rehab's gonna go. 201 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 3: If you had any inclination of trading him in the offseason, 202 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 3: that's pretty much out the window. I mean, the Braves 203 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 3: still o Murphy. I think fifty million dollars, forty five, 204 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 3: fifty million dollars something like that. I think he's got 205 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 3: three years at fifteen million dollars a year, and then 206 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 3: I think he's got to buy out. 207 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: It's a it's a chunk of money. 208 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 3: So a team's not just gonna, like, you know, gladly 209 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 3: trade for that contract right now, not knowing you know, ay, 210 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 3: how how long Murphy's gonna be hurt and be what 211 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 3: he's gonna look like on the other side of it. 212 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 2: So, yeah, it is more uncertainty. 213 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 3: And it's just another it's another thing that this team 214 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 3: kind of has to weather, and this offseason is gonna 215 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: be fascinating, Sean, I mean, this offseason is just gonna 216 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 3: be so damn fast. I don't I mean, they've got 217 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 3: so much uncertainty at players, with players that are locked 218 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 3: into contracts. I genuinely don't know what they're gonna I 219 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 3: don't know if they can afford to just go into 220 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 3: next season with all of these guys under contract and 221 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 3: just hope that the majority of them work out next year. 222 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 3: That just seems like a incredibly low probability thing to happen. So, man, 223 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 3: what a fascinating off season the brands are in store for. 224 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, because, I mean we've already seen it not work out, right, 225 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: it has not worked out over the past two years, 226 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: and we're now really getting into the point of where 227 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: these contracts now are getting more expensive raises to players 228 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 1: like Spencer Strider and others as well. And don't get 229 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: me wrong, if it does work out, you've got a 230 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: World Series contender on you hands. Let's make that clear. 231 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: The outcome of this in a positive aspects, which still 232 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: is a very it is a very relevant outcome. It's 233 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: a very realistic outcome. You could still have a World 234 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: Series contender on your hands. But I do agree with you, Stephen. 235 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: We now have more uncertainty than we had anticipated going 236 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: into this off season on top of the fact that 237 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: we've had two straight seasons where it's not worked out 238 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: anywhere close to where we had hoped. One other final 239 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: thing that I do want to speak to again talking 240 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: about how this development could impact the rest of this 241 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: season as well as the off season. One big thing 242 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: that this does do is it's going to allow for 243 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: Drake Baldwin to really take over that catcher spot and 244 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: basically play every day. But the thing that I will 245 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: say is this is that when we talk about the 246 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: fact that this team is going to probably have both 247 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: Murphy as well as Baldwin next year, I'm not to 248 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: the point I haven't seen enough where I clearly am 249 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: for the catcher DH approach where one d is one 250 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: catches going into next season. So when I talk about 251 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: how this impacts the off season, not only are you 252 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: potentially going to have to find added catcher depth to 253 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: start the season, but you also potentially are going to, 254 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: if it's not Marcello Zuna, find another bat to take 255 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: on that dhroll or potentially fill another position and keep 256 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: that dhroll as an open door to where maybe Ronald 257 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: or Jerks and or the one of the two catchers dhs. 258 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: That's what we mean when we say it's just adding 259 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: more questions to an off season that already had plenty 260 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: of them to deal with. 261 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good point. I mean, the catching position 262 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 3: is directly tied to the DH position, and the DH 263 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 3: position is directly tied to what you do with Ronald 264 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 3: and what you do with Profar, and like what's free 265 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 3: agents you go after, and so like, Yeah, and I 266 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 3: don't know, you know, I don't know how interested they've 267 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 3: ever been in the whole one guy catches the other 268 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 3: guy is the DH scenario. Anyways, that's just stuff we 269 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 3: speculated back when both catchers were hitting really well. It's 270 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 3: kind of been a long time since both catchers hit 271 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 3: really well though, to be honest, So I don't know 272 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 3: if that was ever a realistic option for them. 273 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 2: Anyways. 274 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 3: They might have always set out to go get a DH, 275 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 3: or go get an outfielder and let Ronald and Profar 276 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 3: and you know, new outfielder and the catchers and let 277 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 3: them all rotate DH, which is without knowing specific names, 278 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 3: is probably the way I would lean, But. 279 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you're one hundred percent right. 280 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 3: The catching position impacts all of that because obviously you 281 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 3: have Baldwin and Murphy, and now you're probably almost certainly 282 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 3: gonna have Murphy next year, so you know, if they 283 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 3: were planning on that, they probably have to adjust those plans. 284 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 3: So it is just one more thing to account for. 285 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 3: And Alex, I mean, they're adding up for Alex the 286 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 3: number of things he has to account for this winner, 287 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 3: and you know the number of things that are gonna 288 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 3: have to go well for the braves and spring and 289 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 3: summer next year, so this thing doesn't go off the 290 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 3: rails again like it has in twenty twenty five. 291 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: The thing I'll end with as far as this scenario goes, 292 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: and you're right about the idea of perhaps the going 293 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: to get another outfielder and then then rotating now the 294 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: DH spot, you know that the reported interest in Byron 295 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: Buxton is an example of that, though I'm not sure 296 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: how you know, Haw So I'm Kim, and his salary 297 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: being around next year impacts it. Again, just more questions, 298 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: more questions. We've got plenty of time to discuss that, 299 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: but I do want to end with this note, as 300 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: many questions potentially are added to the off season from 301 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: this development, there's again one outcome that is very much 302 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: on the table to where a lot of these questions 303 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: could become less significant, and that is Sean Murphy becoming 304 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: a healthy Sean Murphy once again and showing at times 305 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: what he did in the first half of twenty twenty 306 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: three and also about six weeks ago that Sean Murphy 307 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: still could really show up next year for the Braves 308 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: and that can make him an asset once again. But 309 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: getting to that point, that journey to that destination is 310 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: once again going to be a rocky one, and I 311 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: know this organization is tired of such journeys. But that 312 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: was just one part of the news that was revealed today. 313 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: Will have plenty more to discuss in a moment after 314 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: a word from our partners. 315 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 4: Football is back and so is your shot at big wins. 316 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 4: But Draft Kings Pick six, the official daily fantasy partner 317 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 4: of the NFL your game day instincts. They score you 318 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 4: real money fast. Here's the play. 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Offer 337 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 4: to terms at Pick six dot DraftKings dot com. Slash promos. 338 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: So Steve and the other News of the day. We 339 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: actually talked about it on the last edition of the 340 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: Habit Territory podcast that You and I did. We discussed 341 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: how another maybe not so much talked about storyline is 342 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: how is this coaching staff going to evolve as the 343 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: off season goes on? If Brian Snicker were to step aside, 344 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: what does that mean for the rest of his coaching staff? 345 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: So on and so forth. And by the way, all 346 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: this news is coming from the fact that Alex and 347 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: Thopless he actually had a Q and A he spoke 348 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 1: with the media today, So that's why we have multiple 349 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: significant storylines to discuss. But the thought with Brian Snicker, 350 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: the conversation was around, well, you know, as there been 351 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: any thought, has there been any updates on his future 352 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: with the squad? And we did really get like a 353 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: definitive answer, But Steven, it certainly seemed like the way 354 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: that Alex was talking, any anticipation that's been there that 355 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: Snicker could you know, potentially retire and you know, move 356 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: on to another role with the Braves, that very much 357 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: seems to be like a realistic possibility. That's kind of 358 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: what Alex and THOPLSS spoke to, how he always have 359 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: a place with the Braves. Any decision about when he 360 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: wants to make a decision, whether it come early come 361 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: later on the off season, that's up to him. One 362 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: thing I do think is that the Braves would want 363 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: to get undefenditive and definitive answer as early in the 364 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: off season as possible. But I came away from Alex's 365 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: comments about Brian Snicker being the fact that I think 366 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: this organization is preparing for a change at the manager 367 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: spot in this offseason. 368 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he did not say it outright. He 369 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 3: gave a pretty wishy washed the answer, which is is 370 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 3: what Alex does. But anytime you start hearing, you know, 371 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 3: a front office guy talking about a manager like retrospectively, 372 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 3: like he's all going to be a part of the 373 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 3: organization and he's always got a place here. Anytime you 374 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 3: start hearing stuff like that about a guy who's still 375 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 3: on the job, he's not gonna be on the job 376 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 3: for long, Like you don't talk about that. You don't 377 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 3: talk about like that about a guy who just signed 378 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 3: a three year contract extension. 379 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 2: You talk about you know, you. 380 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 3: Talk about that's something you talk about when the guy's 381 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 3: in the last month of his coaching career most likely. 382 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 2: And yeah, I I I. 383 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 3: The way I see it playing out is I think 384 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 3: somewhere around the last day of the season, maybe the 385 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 3: last day of the season, Snit will announce that he's retiring. 386 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 3: There is not a single person in baseball, not a 387 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 3: single person that we've talked to in front of the camera, 388 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 3: behind the camera, on the record, off the record, not 389 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 3: a single person we've talked to that thinks Brian Snitcher 390 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 3: is going to manage next year. And listen, if the 391 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 3: Braves wanted to truly like get rid of this, you 392 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 3: know this, these questions, they could announce that he's signing 393 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 3: a contract extension at any point, and could have done 394 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 3: that at any point in the last year, two years, 395 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 3: three years, and they haven't done that. They you know, 396 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 3: I don't know if they haven't put in a contract 397 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 3: extension in front of Snit because they don't have any interest, 398 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 3: or they have put one in front of him and 399 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 3: he hasn't taken it because he doesn't have any interest, 400 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 3: or a combination of both. 401 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 2: Whatever it is. 402 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 3: The tea leaves point to a one very clear direction, 403 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 3: and that is enjoy If you are somebody who loves 404 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 3: Brian Snicker, enjoys his managing, enjoys watching him being the 405 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 3: manager of the Braves. I suggest you pay attention strongly 406 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 3: over the next two and a half three weeks because 407 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 3: it is almost certainly coming to an end once we 408 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 3: get to October, and certainly once we get into twenty 409 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 3: twenty six. 410 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: And it's time, right like like, it's clearly time. Brian 411 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: Snicker he won his eight hundredth victory with the Braves tonight, 412 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: and about all means. I want to make this clear. 413 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: The two separate truths can certainly exist in the same 414 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: time in most cases, and that is the case with 415 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: Brian Snicker. On one hand, this is the second best 416 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: Braves manager in franchise history over the past one hundred years. 417 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: That's just absolutely the truth. He's got the second most 418 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: winning that time for him since Bobby Cox. He has 419 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: been our leader through probably the second most successful stretch 420 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: of success in Braves franchise history outside of what happened 421 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: in the nineties in two thousands. He is a wonderful person, 422 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: both in terms of being a baseball person and a 423 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: person in general, beloved across the game. He deserves all 424 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: the praise, all just anything positive that goes Brian Snicker's way. 425 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: He deserves it. But there's also just the simple truth 426 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: that the instances of you just watching the Braves and 427 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: seeing decisions that are made. And I'm not saying that, 428 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: you know, I can only speak for myself. I'm not 429 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: suggesting I know more about the game than Brian Snicker. 430 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: As many have said, he's forgotten more than I'll ever know, 431 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: but I do field. That's pretty clear that there's more 432 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: instances where you're left thinking why did he do that? 433 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: Where was the value added in that decision? Than thinking, Wow, 434 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: he really put us in a position to succeed there. 435 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: The Braves need a new voice at the helm of 436 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: the squad that's going to put them in a position 437 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: to where they can succeed more. And that's why I 438 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: think Brian Snicker's time has simply run its course. It 439 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,719 Speaker 1: happens with every manager, with every organization. Love Brian Snicker. 440 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: He's been tremendous, but the time is right for this 441 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: to occur, for the Braves to get a new voice 442 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: at the head of the squad. 443 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:34,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking about this. 444 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 3: So if you're a college basketball fan, you'll know the 445 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 3: name Buzz Williams, who is the Texas A and M coach, 446 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 3: and he just left to become the coach at Maryland, 447 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 3: I think is where he went. And he had a 448 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 3: really interesting take on it. He said, after about five 449 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 3: six years, your voice just kind of gets stille and 450 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 3: it's time to move on. And if you look at 451 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 3: his track record throughout his career, he's always done that. 452 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 2: Marquette, Texas A and M. You know, after about five or. 453 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 3: Six years he leaves because he's he just feels like 454 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 3: it can only end badly if you stay too long. 455 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 3: And with snit, I don't It's never been just one 456 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 3: thing like It's not like one egregious thing that happened. 457 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 3: It's not like anybody puts the twenty twenty five season 458 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 3: at the feet of Brian snick Er. No one blames 459 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 3: him for what's happened this year, but it's just time 460 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 3: for something new. It's just gotten a bit stale. And 461 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 3: I think that I find that to be the case 462 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 3: with not only the manager, but also in some ways 463 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 3: the roster. Like I think the roster needs a shake up. 464 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 3: I think the coaching staff needs to shake up. I 465 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 3: think the front office needs to shake up. Not a 466 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 3: major one at the top. I'm not talking about alex Adopolis, 467 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 3: but I'm just talking about. 468 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: They need some new blood, they need some new life, 469 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: they need some new ideas they need. It has just 470 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 2: gotten stale. And that's no one's fault. 471 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,719 Speaker 3: It's you know, the old saying is familiarity breeds content. 472 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 3: Like just the more you're around the same group of 473 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 3: people year in, year in, year in, year in year out, 474 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 3: you know, it just gets stale. 475 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 2: And and I just think it's time. 476 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 3: And Snicker's also been in you know, he's been in 477 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 3: around in the organization for fifty years. I mean, I'm 478 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 3: sure the guy would like to go spend some time 479 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 3: with grandkids and you know, not have to worry about 480 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 3: the nonsense that we talk about on a daily basis, 481 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 3: and not have to worry about knuckleheads like us talking 482 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 3: about the stuff that you know, he has to worry 483 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 3: about on a daily basis. 484 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 2: I'm sure he's got much better shit to do. 485 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 3: So I I do fully expect this to be the 486 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 3: last month of Brian Snicker's you know, coaching career with 487 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 3: the Braves or any any team. 488 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 2: I think he'll stay in the organization. 489 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 3: He'll get some sort of you know, a Maritas, you know, 490 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 3: lifelong position in the front office where he can come 491 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 3: to spring training anytime he wants, very much like Bobby, 492 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 3: you know, he can do. You know, he's got a 493 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 3: lifetime pass to be around the team as much as 494 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 3: he wants. I just don't think he's going to be 495 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 3: the manager. And that is going to kick off. Another 496 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 3: fascinating part of this all season is who is going 497 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 3: to be the next manager of the Braves and then 498 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 3: what does their coaching staff behind them look like? Because 499 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 3: those are massive questions as well, just another massive, massive 500 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 3: piece of what is going to be a massive, massive 501 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 3: offseason for the Braves. 502 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: Muted buddy, everybody has in their mind that you know, 503 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: when it comes to you know, that window of opportunity, 504 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: that window of competing, and the Braves have had an 505 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: extended when the Braves run of being a true contender. 506 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: It's not over with in my mind by any means, 507 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: but it's been going on for nearly a decade. You know, 508 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: we're coming up on you know, I know they're not 509 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: going to make the playoffs this year, but it lasted 510 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: for seven years. That's an extended period of time for 511 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: an organization. And while everybody kind of envisions going up 512 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: a little bit, going up a little bit, going up 513 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: a little bit each year till you have that two 514 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: or three year window too, you really are a World 515 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: Series favorite. The Braves kind of peaked early in twenty 516 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: twenty one, and ever since then it's just kind of 517 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: gone restly downhill, Troubling the playoffs, trouble being able to 518 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: stay healthy, offense falling off a cliff last year, and 519 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: then this year, everything just kind of all falling to 520 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: bottom at times. When you have that occur over as 521 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: long as stretch as we've had it, which basically is 522 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: four years now since we won the World Series, it's 523 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: time that the staying with the current regime it's run stale. 524 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: Just having something new in and of itself can have value. 525 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: So it's going to be very interesting to see what 526 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: the Braves do on that end. One other small but 527 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: significant discussion that Alex and Poplus talked about was he 528 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: talked about rys Cela Iglesias and how good Ryce sel 529 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: Iglesias has been in the second half of the year. 530 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: Very much. You know, Iglesias has been to the level 531 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: that he was all of last year in terms of 532 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: how successful he's been on the mound and Alex and 533 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: Thopolas was asked about the fact that you have any 534 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: regrets about not trading Iglesias at the trade deadline, and 535 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: Alex basically repeated what he said at the trade deadline. 536 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: We were not going to trade players just for salary relief. 537 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: We were only going to trade players if we were 538 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: able to get prospects to help us in the future. Now, 539 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: I mentioned to Brad Steven when we were talking about 540 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: the Hassan Kim. Addition, we've now also had a Jake Frayley, Kim, 541 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: Alexis Diaz, players who formerly were successful major league players 542 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 1: who could potentially be a part of next year's team. 543 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: How the Braves have been active on the waiver wire 544 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: has made me be less concern about their inactiveness at 545 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: the trade deadline. But I do think that it's very 546 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,479 Speaker 1: interesting when it comes to Alex and Thoppless. He's not 547 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: going to make a move for salary relief. That I 548 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: don't want to read too much into, but at the 549 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 1: very least, it lets me know that money may not 550 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: necessarily be as big of a concern as many of 551 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: us think that it is. Number one, and number two, 552 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: he values continuity, in terms of players that he knows 553 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: he could be successful here, he would rather than be 554 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: here than them not. And I think that adds value 555 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: in a positive way for this team that certainly seems 556 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: to value continuity highly. 557 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 3: I imagine there are the people that are kicking themselves 558 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 3: about not adding iglesias, are the other teams more than 559 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 3: and Dopless is kicking himself about not dealing them. I mean, 560 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 3: the offers you get are the offers you get. Like you, 561 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 3: you know, you have no control over what offers you get. Now, 562 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 3: I will say I think the Braves. I think one 563 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 3: reason the Braves didn't get the offers that they wanted 564 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 3: to get was because the Braves were not willing to 565 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 3: pay down the contracts. I have not been able to 566 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 3: confirm that at any point, but I do believe that's 567 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 3: the case, where they just weren't willing, and I think 568 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 3: that impacted the offers they got. And I think that's 569 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 3: why anytime Alex is talking about it, has talked about 570 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 3: those potential deals, he's always said the same thing, which 571 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 3: is the only thing teams were offering were salary relief, 572 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 3: which means he was asking them to take on the 573 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 3: full salary and I think that did impact both of 574 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 3: those guys market but Litten and if I'm a playoff team, 575 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 3: I'm pretty pissed at myself if especially if I've had bullpinch, 576 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 3: you know, disruption since the trade deadline. 577 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: I knew it. I mean, Glacias has just got such. 578 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 3: A long track record of success and at the highest 579 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 3: levels of this game, in in the ninth inning and 580 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 3: high leverage like and there's just not a lot of 581 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 3: those guys out there available at any trade deadline. And 582 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 3: the fact that no one was interested for seven million 583 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 3: bucks or whatever he was. I think it was like 584 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 3: six million bucks actually for whatever he had left on 585 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 3: his deal for the last two months of the season. 586 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 2: It's still very surprising to me. 587 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 3: And I mean, there's nothing you can do about it now, 588 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 3: you know, I hate that the Braves are spending this 589 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 3: six million dollars just letting Iglacias pitch on a bad team. 590 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 3: I would have much other than spent it by sending 591 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 3: it to another team so that they would have sent 592 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 3: us some prospects, but that's not the way they chose 593 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 3: to go. So, you know, it is what it is. 594 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 3: There's nothing the Braves can do about it. But I 595 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 3: guarantee you there are teams around the league that are 596 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,479 Speaker 3: are looking being back on the trade deadline, wishing they 597 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 3: would have been a little more aggressive on Aglecias, especially 598 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 3: given the state of some of the bullpens around baseball 599 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 3: at the moment. 600 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, I would love to 601 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: have Iglecias back, but that's kind of another byproduct for 602 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: all of this. With how good he's had is at 603 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: the end of the season, I imagine that you know, he 604 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: certainly could be looking, you know, to have a closer 605 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: spot somewhere, and if that's for us, that's great, but 606 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: it's not off the table to where he certainly can 607 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: give him the multi year deal where he's making double 608 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: digit salary each year. Excuse me, you know, more than 609 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: ten million average annual value. I don't necessarily know where 610 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: that works into the brace fan it plans it would 611 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: be cheaper, But let me put it this way, rycell Iglesias, 612 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: I would be more than happy to have him back, 613 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: even in the closed role, with how well he's into 614 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: the season. But that's kind of lower on the totem 615 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: poll after all the other things that we've talked about 616 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: that add to what again is going to be a 617 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: fascinating season or off season for the Braves. 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But it still remains one 650 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: that could really work out well for the Braves. We 651 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: talk about certainty added to the off season, having an 652 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,959 Speaker 1: extra pick to work with and adding to our slot total. 653 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: There are our money total that we could use and 654 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: what should be a very deep draft next year. That 655 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: would be a great development and all that. Of course 656 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: rids on Drake Baldwin winning Rookie of the Year. And 657 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: I bring that up because Drake Baldwin right now is 658 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: actually second. You know me and you have talked about 659 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: it multiple times over the past month. Where the odds 660 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: are currently currently, Cade Horton of the Cubs is a 661 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: slight favorite ahead of Drake Baldwin. And the thing is 662 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: is that tomorrow they'll be facing each other for the 663 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: second time in a week. Cad Horten will be on 664 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: the mound. He pitched last week against the Braves through 665 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: five excellent innings against Atlanta. He'll be on the mound 666 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: tomorrow for the Cubs. Drake Baldwin, of course, now likely 667 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: will be playing mostly every day when it comes to 668 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: what he did another you know, great night tonight or 669 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: at least in his first at bat, A really awesome 670 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: opportunity for Braves fans to witness tomorrow. And you're hoping 671 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: that if Drake Baldwin can put another hot streak together, 672 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,479 Speaker 1: he'll be able to win the Rookie of the Year 673 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: award and get that extra draft pick for the Braves. 674 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 3: Yep, Cad Horton versus Drake Baldwin Part two. Obviously, the 675 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 3: Braid has just played the Cubs last week, so and KD. 676 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 3: Horton came out and threw he actually threw a no 677 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 3: hitter for the first five innings, got pulled at seventy 678 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 3: five pitches. That is notable that you know, you probably 679 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 3: should keep that in mind that he is on a 680 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 3: pretty strict pitch count. The Cubs are not playing around 681 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 3: with his pitch count at all. So and I don't 682 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 3: know if it'll be seventy five pitches like it was 683 00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 3: last week, or if it'd be more or less. 684 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 2: But you know, if you're the Braves, you have. 685 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 3: To know, like, if you work this guy's count a 686 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 3: little bit in the first three or four innings, you 687 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 3: have a very good chance of getting him out of 688 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 3: the game. And they're not gonna let him throw ninety 689 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 3: one hundred, one hundred and ten pitches. They've shown that, 690 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 3: so you know, the Braves have been much better taking walks. 691 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 3: Let's have a patient approach tomorrow, maybe try to get 692 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 3: this kid out. He's very talented, Like you said, he 693 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 3: is the front runner for Rookie of. 694 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 2: The Year right now. 695 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 3: He's just pitched insanely well. And the Cubs are a 696 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 3: better team than the Braves, and so the Cubs are 697 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 3: playing in more high impact games than the Braves, and 698 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 3: you know, Drake's just got to be that much better. 699 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 3: When you're on a bad team. You know, is that fair? 700 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,399 Speaker 3: Probably not, but that's just the way it is. He's 701 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 3: got to be that much better. And you know, I 702 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 3: do think if the voting were today, you know, just 703 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 3: because of the Vegas odds doesn't mean it's written in stone. 704 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 3: Like if the voting were today, Drake Baldock would still 705 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 3: very much win. I think Kate Horton would win. But 706 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 3: I could be wrong. He could be the leader in 707 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 3: the clubhouse for all we know. You know, we're not 708 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 3: gonna know until the voting. 709 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 6: But. 710 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 3: Days like tomorrow that you know, his teammates could really 711 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 3: help him out by putting an eight spot on Kate 712 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 3: Horton in the first three innings and Drake going you know, 713 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 3: three for three with a couple of doubles. You know, 714 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 3: anything like that will help his cause because it is 715 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 3: a neck and neck. I mean, even if you think 716 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 3: Drake Baldwin is ahead right now, it is not by much. 717 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 2: It is a tight race. 718 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 3: And you know, we've already laid out multiple times on 719 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 3: the show why it matters for the Braves that Drake 720 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 3: Baldwin wins this award. So tomorrow's a big kind of 721 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 3: chapter of that story. Is is Horton Versus Baldwin Part two. 722 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: And the other thing I want to add to this 723 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: discussion is that, yes, the draft pick coming with Drake Baldwin, 724 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: we make it seem as if that's even more important 725 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: than Drake Baldwin himself winning Rookie of the Year, and 726 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: yet it's a what it means a lot to the organization. 727 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: It would be a nice little consolation prize from what 728 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 1: we've experienced this year. But to add to the reason 729 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: why I think Drake Baldwin deserves it over Kate Horton, 730 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,720 Speaker 1: Drake Baldwin has been doing this all year as a catcher, 731 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 1: playing not every day, but he's played in big moments 732 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: and is delivered in big moments. And to me, the 733 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: other thing that stands out about Drake Baldwin, He's in 734 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: his rookie year. He's been consistent for the most part 735 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,399 Speaker 1: all season long, and his numbers, his underlying numbers, those 736 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: metrics that we always talk about, they support what he's done. 737 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: They show that what he's done is legitimate. He may 738 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: even be underperforming a bit what he actually should be doing. 739 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: So for those reasons, I feel Drake Baldwin is definitely 740 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: in position to win and deserves to win the Rookie 741 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: of the Year contest. It likely is going to take 742 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,399 Speaker 1: another hot streak and hopefully that occurs starting tomorrow night 743 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: against Horton directly. Also want to talk about tonight's game, Stephen, 744 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: because it was a good victory. The Braves got a 745 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 1: needed victory. Much like Friday night. They faced a quality 746 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: picture on the mound, a team that's in position to 747 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: make the playoffs, and they look like they belonged. Ozzie 748 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: Albi's went deep with another left handed hitter again. I 749 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: know many are pointing out that how he's hitting against 750 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: right hand how he's hitting right handed against left handed pitching, 751 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 1: That may be the most positive indicator of all We're 752 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: getting back to Ozzie being Ozzie. But I also want 753 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: to put the spotlight on Bryce Selder, who gets some 754 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: pretty legitimate competition, has been absolutely outstanding his past four starts. 755 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,760 Speaker 1: I don't think that means he gets a rotation spot 756 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: next year. I don't think it means anything significant. But 757 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,839 Speaker 1: when we talk about as many Braves as possible ending 758 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: the year in as good a way as possible, Bryce 759 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: Elder is certainly taking advantage of that. He was in 760 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: command tonight, and he got the job done against a 761 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: pretty legitimate opponent. 762 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 3: I'm not sure there is any pitcher in baseball with 763 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 3: a higher range of outcomes than Bryce Elder. I quite literally, 764 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 3: anything could happen in a Bryce Elder start, and I 765 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 3: would kind of believe it. 766 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 2: I'd be like, yeah, that's know. 767 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,399 Speaker 3: He could give up nine runs before recording it out, 768 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,720 Speaker 3: he could throw a one hitter and anything in between, 769 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 3: and I'd be like, yeah, I mean that makes sense. 770 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 3: The dude is there's not a soul on the planet 771 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 3: that can figure out what Bryce Selder is or what 772 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 3: he's gonna do next, because we've seen him go on heaters, 773 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 3: we've seen him go on i mean just fall off 774 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 3: a mountain, and tonight he was really good. He's been 775 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 3: really good, like four starts in a row, three or 776 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 3: four starts in a row. It gets really good teams. 777 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 3: So I don't know what to make of it. I 778 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 3: don't think the Braves know what to make of it. 779 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 3: I don't think Bryce Selder knows what to make I'm 780 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 3: guessing he's as confused as the rest of us as 781 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,439 Speaker 3: to what happens on a night to night start for him. 782 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,280 Speaker 3: But he pitched well tonight, and the offense did enough. 783 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 3: You know, you still got a Cunya batting six, which 784 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 3: we're not going to get. The whole thing tonight still 785 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,760 Speaker 3: annoys me, but it is what it is at this point. 786 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 3: You know, Brian Snicker clearly thinks it's a way to 787 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 3: get him out of his funk. 788 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 2: Whatever. 789 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 3: The offense did enough. Olsen hit another homer. Matt Olsen 790 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 3: is heating back up. 791 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 2: He had a really slow August. He's heating back up. 792 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 2: Ronnie did break his over streak, he did have an 793 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 2: RBS single tonight. 794 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,240 Speaker 3: Drake Baldwin at a double, Ozzie Albis hid another homer, 795 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,359 Speaker 3: so you know, it was a good start. We're gonna 796 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 3: talk about Spitzer Strider here in a second in the show, 797 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 3: but yeah, the offense did enough. We need the office 798 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 3: to be more consistent. It would be lovely to see 799 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 3: Ronnie come all the way back before the season ends. 800 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 3: But Bryce elder Man, I don't know, I have no 801 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 3: answers I have I don't even know. I don't even 802 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 3: I don't even know how to begin to give an 803 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 3: answer about Bryce elder Just every single start, anything can happen, 804 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 3: and in a lot of ways that makes him the 805 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,359 Speaker 3: most interesting man on the team. Literally, any outcome on 806 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,760 Speaker 3: any given night is attainable for him, and it's it's wild. 807 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 2: It's wild to watch, quite honestly. 808 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a year of riddles, right, Like we talked about, 809 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: this has been one big question mark all year, and 810 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: the Braves had just come out the last three weeks 811 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: of the season and just wear a question mark on 812 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: their hats. That's what they should do, because that's been 813 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,919 Speaker 1: one big question mark. But after all of today's action, Steam, 814 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 1: after all of today's news, all today's action, and then again, 815 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 1: it's been a mixed bag of positive and negative, but 816 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 1: at least it ended well on the field. The biggest 817 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: question of all and I think this may be of 818 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: the season. The hell happened to Spencer Strider's mustache? Seriously, 819 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: it's just it's different. Listen. I'm here for change, I'm 820 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: here for trying something new. But the man looked like 821 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: he could well bass against anybody with that mustache, and 822 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,919 Speaker 1: I'm sure that he still can, but it's just it's 823 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,800 Speaker 1: a different look. He looks ten years younger. That that 824 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 1: stash was like one of the it was like one 825 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,839 Speaker 1: of the biggest, like the most identifying features in Baseball 826 00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,880 Speaker 1: Strider's stash. When you saw that, it struck feet and 827 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: hitters everywhere. Just I miss the stash. 828 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 2: I'll tell you this. That mustache. I don't know what 829 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 2: it is about it. 830 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 3: Maybe it's because he's got a really really dark hair, 831 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,240 Speaker 3: maybe it's because it's like jet black. 832 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 2: But it like changes his whole face. 833 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:27,359 Speaker 3: Like if Spencer Strider committed a crime with the mustache 834 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 3: and then shaved and was like on the run the 835 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 3: rest of his life, he would never be caught because 836 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 3: that looks like two different human beings. Like I thought 837 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 3: that was like Pete Alonzo's son, Like they he looks 838 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 3: exactly like Pete alons It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen. Yeah, 839 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 3: you know they shot him in the dugout. It's like 840 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 3: he's playing out like the whole Major League Ricky Vaughan storyline, 841 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,799 Speaker 3: except it's with the instead of a mustache, that's with 842 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 3: the black glasses that Ricky Vaughan had. You know, he 843 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 3: took him off for the second one and he lost 844 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 3: all his powers, and he put him back on at 845 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,320 Speaker 3: the end. Maybe we'll see the mustache return next. I 846 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 3: don't know it was I mean it was. It was 847 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 3: weird as hell. I mean he really he looked twelve. 848 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 3: He looked like a ball boy, said, I made the joke. 849 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 3: He looked like Bennie the Jet Rodriguez was about to 850 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 3: teach him how to throw a baseball. That's I mean, 851 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 3: he it's crazy how much that mustache like changes his face. 852 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean he's kind of having one of 853 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 3: those years where, like, you know, it's like a high 854 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 3: school girl who breaks up with her boyfriend and cuts 855 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,399 Speaker 3: all her hair off. Like he's having like that kind 856 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 3: of you know, existential crisis kind of year where he's like, 857 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 3: you know what, screw it, nothing else is going right 858 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 3: this year. 859 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 2: We're going with a new look. 860 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,399 Speaker 3: And there were, honest to god, people were as mad 861 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 3: about that as anything that's happened. 862 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:41,399 Speaker 2: All year long. 863 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 3: People love that mustache. That mustache had its own Twitter. 864 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 3: I had multiple Twitter accounts. It's got to I mean, 865 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 3: it's its own celebrity at this point. So it was 866 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 3: a shocking, shocking turn of events. 867 00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 1: I'm still in shocked. Yeah, kill me, Strider, You're killing me. 868 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 1: Just don't make it. Foreverse even did there did. I 869 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: picked up all that I had to give it a 870 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: little sand lot, you know, shout outs now, Listen, I'm 871 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 1: I don't ever think this will get back to Spencer Strider, 872 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:18,360 Speaker 1: but if anybody ever expresses to Spencer Strider our reactions 873 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: to him being without his mustache, I want to make 874 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: it clear if he ever asked directly, it looks absolutely fantastic, 875 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: best decision he's ever made. Keep it that way if 876 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 1: he prefers. All joking aside, we want to end the 877 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 1: show on a bit of a hilarious note, because listen, 878 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,560 Speaker 1: we deserve a bit of hilarious in our lives right 879 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 1: now as Braves fans. But it was a change, and 880 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,879 Speaker 1: it's one of those changes that you're just not prepared for. Man, 881 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,880 Speaker 1: even if I would have gotten a week's notice, I 882 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: still would not have been prepared for it. But you know, hey, 883 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: at the very least, let's put it this way, the 884 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 1: end of the season for the Braves, I think has 885 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,760 Speaker 1: been a bit more eventful than any of us had anticipated. 886 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 1: Maybe not necessarily all in a positive way, but at 887 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: the very least has been eventful. Stephen, do you have 888 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,480 Speaker 1: anything else for us as we wrap up this edition 889 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,800 Speaker 1: the Hammer Territory Podcast. 890 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 3: No, And I guess we should mention that obviously. We 891 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 3: talked about Kate Horton pitching for the Cub tomorrow. Tomorrow, 892 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,360 Speaker 3: Spencer Strider pitches for the Braves, and then Chris Sale 893 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,719 Speaker 3: is on Wednesday, day off Thursday, and then the Astroals 894 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,720 Speaker 3: come to town. So you're gonna you're gonna get another Spencer 895 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 3: Strider started to mark. Striders start tomorrow. Just another data 896 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 3: point to watch. I'm curious to see, you know. The 897 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,799 Speaker 3: outing he had against I think Miami was decent. The 898 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,720 Speaker 3: next one not quite as good. They've pushed him back. 899 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 2: A couple of days. There was some speculation on whether 900 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 2: he was hurt. I don't think he's hurt. 901 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:42,799 Speaker 3: So it's just gonna be just see what he looks 902 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 3: like tomorrow, and that's gonna be the big thing. And 903 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 3: then we moved, you know to Chris Sale, and then 904 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,880 Speaker 3: the Astronals come to town for the weekend. 905 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and it looks like that what we 906 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,840 Speaker 1: could be seeing, what we could be lining up to 907 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: see is over the next three games. You know, we 908 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 1: talked about it last week. The Braves are gonna get 909 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 1: the opportunity to really see where they It didn't work 910 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,880 Speaker 1: out so well against Seattle. But see where some of 911 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: these individual players stand. You know, again, more about the 912 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 1: process over the result. Right now, See where there's some 913 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,720 Speaker 1: of these individual players stand. You've got Spencer Strider facing 914 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,319 Speaker 1: the Cubs for a second straight start, a playoff team 915 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,280 Speaker 1: they saw him last start. What can he do adjustment 916 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,720 Speaker 1: wise to maintain success at least in terms of run prevention. 917 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: You got Chris Sale on the mount tomorrow against the 918 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,480 Speaker 1: Cubs and then Hirston Waldrip on the mount against the 919 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,680 Speaker 1: Astros on Friday. So plenty to watch board this week, 920 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,120 Speaker 1: of course, going along with Drake Baldwin hopefully having a 921 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,279 Speaker 1: great week. Listen, Ken, thank you enough for joining us 922 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,400 Speaker 1: here on the Hammer Territory podcast. We're always here to 923 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,239 Speaker 1: cover with the braves, always here to deliver content, hopefully 924 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,360 Speaker 1: in a fun and informative way, sometimes in a not 925 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,280 Speaker 1: so fun way if a rant or two is involved, 926 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: though a lot of times it's certainly warranted. For Steven Tolver, 927 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,320 Speaker 1: you could find him at b Underscore Outliers on Twitter, 928 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 1: slash x. My name is Sean Coleman. You could find 929 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,920 Speaker 1: me at Stat's sac Hammer Terroritory across all forms of 930 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 1: social media, The Foul Territory family of podcast. Shout out 931 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,839 Speaker 1: to Brad Rowlands, shout out to Scott Coleman, shout out 932 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,560 Speaker 1: to Grant McCauley who was an awesome guest on Sunday, 933 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,840 Speaker 1: and shout out to the Braves. A hell of a 934 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,960 Speaker 1: day off the field and on the field. Hopefully Sean 935 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 1: Murphy comes back better than ever. Until next time, Go Braves. 936 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again soon here on the Hammer 937 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:20,440 Speaker 1: Territory Pot