Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 1: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 1: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 2: These are our stories.
Speaker 3: Done done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up an
Speaker 3: SVU podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm Kara Klank, one of your hosts, and.
Speaker 1: I'm Li'sa Traeger the other one, and we're coming to
Speaker 1: you talk at SVU True Crime celeb Guests.
Speaker 2: We really do it all so thrill a thrill, a threat.
Speaker 4: And we literally just record episodes last week or something.
Speaker 4: And the minute I got off the I got onto
Speaker 4: my phone it was like, Mauritia Cargeta is hosting the Emmys.
Speaker 4: I was like, I cannot believe we didn't talk about this.
Speaker 2: Like truly the year of murschgaud.
Speaker 4: I mean, you have been manifesting, specifically her hosting SNL
Speaker 4: and I've obviously been along for the ride.
Speaker 1: It's happened. I feel like it's happening. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's happening. I think this is what all of this
Speaker 1: is about, to be honest, Like, it's weird to say
Speaker 1: that Broadway and hosting the eis is just a stepping
Speaker 1: stone to hosting guests at hell.
Speaker 2: But I do believe that it is.
Speaker 4: The when she's literally been one of the heavy hitters
Speaker 4: of the network that SNL is on for twenty seven years,
Speaker 4: it's like insane that she hasn't hosted it.
Speaker 1: I wonder if is like competitive, Yeah, like, oh, you
Speaker 1: think you're the star of the network, right, Like, I
Speaker 1: wonder if he's just being a weirdo, Like we forget everyone.
Speaker 1: It's just a weirdo in this business. I do forget that.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 4: Everyone is an absolute stone cold weirdo at all times.
Speaker 1: Wait, okay, so I've had this on my to do
Speaker 1: list for weeks and I keep forgetting to bring it up,
Speaker 1: and then it showed up in my feet again and
Speaker 1: I sent it to Casey. So you know the show
Speaker 1: What We Do in the Shadows. Yeah, okay, So there's
Speaker 1: like the emotional vampire, like he sucks the energy out
Speaker 1: of people.
Speaker 2: Call it round.
Speaker 1: Yes, So I haven't like double checked this, but there's
Speaker 1: like there's a scene in the show where he's like
Speaker 1: describing the events of how this all started or whatnot,
Speaker 1: And it totally coincides with Kevin Spacey's journal entries from
Speaker 1: seven talking about a boring loser he met on the
Speaker 1: train that led him to murder. It's like this incredible crossover.
Speaker 1: Some podcast was talking about it and they have it's
Speaker 1: all lined up where it's like Colin is talking about
Speaker 1: this guy he met on the train and it coincides
Speaker 1: perfectly with the Seven Murderers, like journal of like I
Speaker 1: met this fucking guy on the train and he wouldn't stop,
Speaker 1: and this and that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's like there's a whole reddit. Yeah, I've an
Speaker 4: easter egg in what we're doing. Yeah, that's amazing because
Speaker 4: I love seven, like I'm a seven head.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, I've realized.
Speaker 1: I'm so Gone Girls new on Netflix, and I think
Speaker 1: I've watched it since it came out last week, like
Speaker 1: eight or nine times. I've been going to sleep to
Speaker 1: Gone Girl, except there's one part where there's an alarm,
Speaker 1: so I have to like it fucks me up, but
Speaker 1: like it's just been in the background.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize I love Gong Girl.
Speaker 1: I think I'm a David Fincher fanatic, even though he
Speaker 1: makes everyone do eighty takes the time, but I really
Speaker 1: think I am No.
Speaker 4: He's great, one of the best. He really, I just
Speaker 4: don't like Panic Room. But I'm besides that, you know,
Speaker 4: I really like a lot of his other movie.
Speaker 1: I like Panic Room too. Yeah, I think I'm like
Speaker 1: a fan. I didn't like Zodiac. I guess that's I
Speaker 1: like Zodiac. I've watched that on the plane sometimes just
Speaker 1: to chill. I already know because I've only watched it
Speaker 1: once and it was on a plate. It was just like,
Speaker 1: it's just so of the time where I'm like, we
Speaker 1: like throw it a black person or in Asia like
Speaker 1: a woman, Like it is crazy to have forty five
Speaker 1: white men in a movie, Like it really is wild.
Speaker 1: Because right now with The Odyssey, people are like, wow,
Speaker 1: why are there no green? And I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: just a movie with all white people looks weird.
Speaker 2: It just looks weird. Get over it.
Speaker 4: Not only that, but I get very confused when I
Speaker 4: watch shows that are shows or movies that are like
Speaker 4: too white heavy. I cannot tell everybody apart like I'm
Speaker 4: really like, which man is that? Like Game of Thrones
Speaker 4: was really tough for me at the beginning, Like I
Speaker 4: would be like, Jared, isn't that that man? He'd be
Speaker 4: like no, I'd be like it's another man around six
Speaker 4: sixty eight years old with a beard.
Speaker 2: How did you like? What?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: It was just very.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like yeah, visually it's just like it's
Speaker 1: hard to look at. But I would do it. Not
Speaker 1: the murders, of course, the murderers. I was fined with
Speaker 1: easy Breezy. But I do love an Easter egg, and
Speaker 1: I thought that one was so good. So shout out
Speaker 1: to the guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you guys you can, you can definitely
Speaker 4: just search Colin Robinson seven journal entries and you get
Speaker 4: a lot of information on the internet about this.
Speaker 2: Did Colin Robinson cause seven? Or I love it? I
Speaker 2: love it so much.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: I started a new book for all my book heads.
Speaker 1: I'm almost done with it. That's why I'm bringing it up.
Speaker 1: So my next I'll probably finish it today. But it's
Speaker 1: called I Who Have Never Known Men? Oh, I've heard
Speaker 1: of that book. Who's their author? So her name is
Speaker 1: Jacqueline Hartman. She was born in Belgium in nineteen twenty
Speaker 1: nine and then escaped for the World War Two.
Speaker 2: For the World War two, and.
Speaker 1: It was translated by someone named Roz Schwartz in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five. For this edition, and it was you know,
Speaker 1: I went to Barnes and Noble to look at well,
Speaker 1: I went to the Strandford whatever.
Speaker 2: Our friend has a book.
Speaker 1: I'm a lot and I wanted even though I have
Speaker 1: the Amazon copy, the copy from the party, the pre copy,
Speaker 1: I did go buy another copy at the store because.
Speaker 2: It was cool to see it. At the store.
Speaker 1: I was on a table. It was so exciting. So
Speaker 1: of course I picked up Sir c the Song of
Speaker 1: Achilles author. I picked up you know, I just picked
Speaker 1: up some some fun, but I bought this was on
Speaker 1: like the hip table.
Speaker 2: Like the people that work with the strand picked it.
Speaker 1: And then the barist says at my coffee shop, both
Speaker 1: of them were like, we love that book.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I have never known men. I love it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm probably gonna finish it. It took me less
Speaker 1: than a week, so I yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 4: Damn, you're like blowing through books. This is crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like this one. We'll see what I
Speaker 1: start next. Obviously I'm still reading Michelle McNamara's book. But also,
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a person with just numbers in
Speaker 1: their thing, and it's not real, and I doubt it's
Speaker 1: a true listener. But it's just like they're like, if
Speaker 1: you don't care about the environment, I can no longer
Speaker 1: be a fan about you. You don't care about polar
Speaker 1: bears in the future of our children, And it's like
Speaker 1: grow up, Like people are so dense, like I truly
Speaker 1: if I don't have chill, try but I don't have
Speaker 1: chill and I don't drive a car, so fuck you.
Speaker 1: I do more for the environment than most people on
Speaker 1: this planet, thank you very much.
Speaker 4: But you are referring to you saying that you don't
Speaker 4: care that Taylor flies private, and I don't think one
Speaker 4: person flying private is destroying the environment. And I do
Speaker 4: think that the inconvenience and like mayhem that would happen
Speaker 4: if she walked up to a delta flight is just
Speaker 4: like not feasible. It's so I'm not saying like, I
Speaker 4: don't think either of us is saying fuck the environment.
Speaker 2: I think we're saying, oh no.
Speaker 1: I mean I saw a video online where it's like
Speaker 1: you could tell how smart or stupid someone is by
Speaker 1: like talking about averages or like nu wats, where it's like,
Speaker 1: well the average is this, and then someone goes, well,
Speaker 1: I have this story and it's like, well, then you're
Speaker 1: not the average.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like then that's anecdotal.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but that's what it felt like where it's like, no,
Speaker 1: her flying private did not upset me. But I've gotten
Speaker 1: some dms that it's a different guy. It's not the
Speaker 1: guy I don't have to sell my cardigans. But we'll see.
Speaker 1: I haven't listened to her since it's been upsetting.
Speaker 4: I've heard some people say that they're trying to say
Speaker 4: it's not like that guy doesn't work there anymore, but
Speaker 4: he does or whatever. I'm kind of trying to be
Speaker 4: out of the day.
Speaker 1: I forget because I also just did a really popular
Speaker 1: podcast that talks about it, and I'm like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: about to get fucking demolished. I'm gonna get demolished by
Speaker 1: these swifties.
Speaker 2: But what are you gonna do?
Speaker 4: Well? Some of the some of the comments that we're getting,
Speaker 4: at least on the Spotify are behind you on uh oh.
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of people are really throw I
Speaker 1: actually haven't told Sydney yet.
Speaker 2: She's going to be really happy. What a gift. Let's
Speaker 2: give sit a gift. But I am still going to
Speaker 2: a soul cycle this Saturday. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I had one class left and I could go today
Speaker 1: because I'm sick. Okay, guys, I'm trying my mess. She's
Speaker 1: showing up for you. She's here, she's sick.
Speaker 4: She's having meds flown in from Bali on a private
Speaker 4: jet that only takes extremely Yeah, the kid.
Speaker 1: It's just like this message just really kind of cracked
Speaker 1: me up, where I'm like, is this who's listening to?
Speaker 2: Yeah podcast? Like it can't be Yeah, I saw it too.
Speaker 2: Oh you got it too.
Speaker 1: To slow sent to the main future generations? Are you
Speaker 1: really that cold and shallow and selfish? It's like, sure,
Speaker 1: but not that has nothing to do with this. So
Speaker 1: short sighted. It's like you're out of your mind if
Speaker 1: that's what you took from this. Just also, yeah, we
Speaker 1: don't hate the environment. We have been not environment haters.
Speaker 1: This is episode what are We?
Speaker 4: What do We?
Speaker 2: What's today?
Speaker 4: Episode two hundred and ninety four, Like, come on, yeah,
Speaker 4: there's a nice sample size of what we feel about
Speaker 4: the earth.
Speaker 2: I recycle religiously.
Speaker 4: I'm actually my parents saying with my parents right now,
Speaker 4: and it's kind of hard to watch how little they recycle,
Speaker 4: But I'm doing my best.
Speaker 1: You know, well, I just don't have anything in the
Speaker 1: home to recycle or not recycle, like I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm not what am I bringing in here.
Speaker 1: Like poppy cans and stuff like that, or you're cycling
Speaker 1: or no. Yeah, but we have a guy downstairs who
Speaker 1: does it. I bring it downstairs. You do with the stuff.
Speaker 4: Honestly, the people that live in cities like New York
Speaker 4: like that are mostly walking cities have like some of
Speaker 4: the smallest carbon footprints. So it's like, not personally about you.
Speaker 4: I think that people want you to denounce her jet flying.
Speaker 2: And that'll never happen.
Speaker 1: Because there's I would say, hundreds, if not thousands of
Speaker 1: men that do it more than her, and I refuse.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, there is some heated rivalry news well, and
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even want to bring this up, and I
Speaker 1: was avoiding it, but then his.
Speaker 2: Outfit was so fucking cute. I had to watch the
Speaker 2: video and I.
Speaker 1: Like, Okay, So Hudson Williams is in Paris and he
Speaker 1: is so nice to fans and he has a new
Speaker 1: hot bodyguard. The bodyguard post said, like so happy to
Speaker 1: be working with Hudson. But anyways, so he was being
Speaker 1: how you know, and his team is all girls, and
Speaker 1: like his girlfriend was there as friends, and it was
Speaker 1: just like a big group of girls in him and
Speaker 1: he like flipped out on these guys who are autograph hounds,
Speaker 1: and he just was like, stop fucking following me. You
Speaker 1: guys are crazy, leave me alone. You're not fans, like
Speaker 1: you cannot be following me to my residence. And then
Speaker 1: he grabbed the photos of him and tried lighting it
Speaker 1: with a lighter, and so then his girlfriend's like, come on,
Speaker 1: let's go. So then they start walking and they're like
Speaker 1: walking to their residence and the guys still follow them.
Speaker 1: So the guys are going sorry, sorry, sorry, but then
Speaker 1: following them, and so he starts and then his girlfriend
Speaker 1: like hands back the photos to this guy and goes,
Speaker 1: can you just please go away? Like go away, and
Speaker 1: Hudson comes back and goes get the fuck out of here,
Speaker 1: like stop following me, and the guy goes stop using
Speaker 1: bad words. That's not okay, which is one of my
Speaker 1: pet peeves. I hate one people. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: hate that so much. And also Hudson does no mma
Speaker 1: and it's like I do wish he beat the shit
Speaker 1: out of these people. But they finally leave, they're like
Speaker 1: laughing at him, and it's just like everyone's on Hudson's
Speaker 1: side where it's like fuck you, you autograph hounds. You would
Speaker 1: never do that to like a fan. He's like so
Speaker 1: nice to everybody. But then I wouldn't have even brought
Speaker 1: it up on the pod because I don't want to
Speaker 1: bring attention to it.
Speaker 2: But then I saw a great point.
Speaker 1: I'm wearing my Shane Hollander sweatshirt, okay in solidarity. I'm
Speaker 1: like it's eighty degrees. I'm so hot. But it was
Speaker 1: just like how we're so behind him but so mad
Speaker 1: at Chapel Roone and like Chapel needs to be nice
Speaker 1: and shut up Chapel, you should be lucky that you're famous.
Speaker 2: We made you famous. And it is like, but I.
Speaker 1: Said this even at the Oscars, like the boys are
Speaker 1: having so much fun or the mad e fan and
Speaker 1: it's like they don't let they don't let like women
Speaker 1: would even be able to have fund the way these
Speaker 1: guys are having like fun or be mad, like women
Speaker 1: cannot do anything right. But it did bring up like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like how are we so like yeah, Hudson, get him,
Speaker 1: but everyone's like Chapel Roone, You're not grateful enough. You're
Speaker 1: new to fame, so stop Just something that I you know,
Speaker 1: saw just on the internet scrolling that I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm bringing up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like we really have to just stop policing
Speaker 4: the way women behave publicly and at all, Like that
Speaker 4: goes for Olivia Rodrigue's baby doll dress, that goes for
Speaker 4: Chapel Roone not wanting to be bothered during breakfast.
Speaker 1: Just enough, And that story was fake, that soccer player
Speaker 1: fake have that woman and then soccer player to be
Speaker 1: like that never happened, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they fully lied, but there's just video of her being like,
Speaker 1: please leave me alone, stop following me, and everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you want to be famous or not. Boy George got involved.
Speaker 1: It was like that boy George, Boy George. Yeah, boy
Speaker 1: George got involved and was like you're a little brat.
Speaker 1: You should enjoy the fame while you have it. And
Speaker 1: it's just like okay, but we're like Hudson burn that paper.
Speaker 1: It's just like I don't know, yeah, boy George, I
Speaker 1: don't know. But also they're saying that Holland, the player
Speaker 1: from Norway, is the closest we'll ever get to an
Speaker 1: Ilia Rosenoff vibe like they have just wait, who oh
Speaker 1: that guy? Yeah, Like he just says the same kind
Speaker 1: of eder. I mean, I think he's a little more
Speaker 1: helpful than the fake character Ilio.
Speaker 4: Well, but doesn'tbody also seem like kind of a goof
Speaker 4: whereas like Rosanov's always like, ugh, you know, maybe you
Speaker 4: should watch it one more time, because I don't think
Speaker 4: you would say that, Kara.
Speaker 2: He's like very funny.
Speaker 4: He's very funny behind the scenes, but like not when
Speaker 4: he's like playing right.
Speaker 1: When he's like when he's winking, going liar liar told
Speaker 1: you that, Like what are you talking?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like silly as well.
Speaker 4: But I just feel like I see this Norway guy
Speaker 4: mugging with like his chin out and like making like
Speaker 4: crazy goofy faces, and like, I don't I don't remember
Speaker 4: that I think from my one time viewing of Heated Rivalry,
Speaker 4: but I could stand corrected, as I've only watched it
Speaker 4: one time.
Speaker 1: It all came through because he's It's Holland getting off
Speaker 1: a plane and he's holding a taxi dermid raccoon holding
Speaker 1: a bottle of liquor that was a souvenir and it's
Speaker 1: just like the flash sheet is the Birkins being nice
Speaker 1: to his girlfriend like there is just hard work.
Speaker 2: And like silliness, but Ilia.
Speaker 1: Is silly, like they play hard but they are it's
Speaker 1: really silly and like enjoying the call like we're like
Speaker 1: I think Ilia would get cowboy.
Speaker 2: Boots and be excited to have brisket, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 4: No the house have they got to enjoy some food
Speaker 4: after they all eventually lose.
Speaker 1: I know everything every day I have cheered for has
Speaker 1: lost every team, So I need to start cheering for Argentina.
Speaker 4: Well today's Spain France, right, yeah I don't.
Speaker 1: I want Spain for the little Brother, but I want
Speaker 1: France from Bape. But I because someone was like you
Speaker 1: could like how evil could Argentina be that we're all
Speaker 1: cheering for England you know what I mean, like we
Speaker 1: want England to win?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 4: Oh really I was kind of going for Argentina when
Speaker 4: they were playing a game.
Speaker 2: No are they bad?
Speaker 1: Well just like the Nazi of it all and kicking
Speaker 1: black people out and like all other Latino countries hate them,
Speaker 1: so like I'm with them, but also like it's just rigged,
Speaker 1: like the calls like they're just letting. They're just want
Speaker 1: Argentina in the end, and it's like I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going for Spain overall because a little brother underdog,
Speaker 1: but also France has won like three times. Right, Oh,
Speaker 1: I have no idea, I just like a bop it. No,
Speaker 1: I want Spain because the little brother and the McDonald's
Speaker 1: cup I have is the eighteen year old player from Spain.
Speaker 1: So whatever McDonald's cup I got, that's who I'm cheering for.
Speaker 2: That's it, that's it. Love it.
Speaker 1: No, I don't know, but I watched with my dad
Speaker 1: this weekend and every team I root for loses, so
Speaker 1: I have so that's why I'm thinking I root for
Speaker 1: Argentina and that'll bring them their devise.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it.
Speaker 4: My brother like was just like kind of going for
Speaker 4: Argentina because he likes messy of course, like it's his
Speaker 4: last one.
Speaker 1: But England, their main player is a hardcore trumberd not
Speaker 1: even but he can't even vote here, so I don't know.
Speaker 2: Andie Caine just has like a smug face. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I hated England, but I guess my one of my
Speaker 1: closest friends lives there and they've been sending me. Her
Speaker 1: boyfriend's been sending me taunting messages. Yes, because I keep
Speaker 1: cheering for every team that plays England and then they
Speaker 1: keep on fucking losing.
Speaker 2: It's like devastating. Oh my gosh. Uh oh all.
Speaker 1: Right, So my niece, my nephew and his girlfriend introduced.
Speaker 2: They're like so funny.
Speaker 1: I took them to Target and like I always I
Speaker 1: never know who buys the weird flavors of stuff, and
Speaker 1: then I beat it's them. They're buying the cinnamon bud
Speaker 1: flavored oreos, They're buying the oreos mixed with Recei's protein bars,
Speaker 1: Like they are buying the craziest flavors of things, where
Speaker 1: I'm like, you are supporting food scientists in a way
Speaker 1: I've never seen.
Speaker 2: I'm like, truly, these are the craziest flavors.
Speaker 1: But they showed me a candy brand called joy Ride, okay,
Speaker 1: and it's like seventy percent less sugar than normal candy,
Speaker 1: but like eight to twelve grams of fiber per serving. WHOA,
Speaker 1: So I you know, I'm trying to up my fiber
Speaker 1: because that's the thing I want to be ahead of
Speaker 1: the trend because I can't count protein.
Speaker 2: You need too much of it. I don't want to,
Speaker 2: but I can't do fiber.
Speaker 1: And this candy it's like so good joy Ride, and
Speaker 1: I wonder, like, I don't like that because that mean
Speaker 1: like you're gonna like your bowels will be you know,
Speaker 1: like flowing through Like I don't get it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, on top of the on top of
Speaker 4: whatever parasites all over the produce right now. But that's
Speaker 4: for another time.
Speaker 1: I bought a thing of raspberries for the fiber that
Speaker 1: I found out about, you know the thing. But yeah,
Speaker 1: these joy Ride candies have so much fiber in them,
Speaker 1: and I've.
Speaker 4: They do sour worms. They've got a lot of gummies.
Speaker 1: So I wonder if any of you are eating them,
Speaker 1: let me know. But I'm pretty involved. I'm involved.
Speaker 4: I'm on the website. They're at Sprouts, they're at ARII,
Speaker 4: they're all over nice.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's that's so okay.
Speaker 1: And then there's a clip of a podcast I saw
Speaker 1: but it's not what I listened to, but the clips
Speaker 1: come up for me and their listeners did a thing
Speaker 1: where it's like, what are the five things are worth
Speaker 1: the buddy? Yes, so what have them said her base said,
Speaker 1: Peer said hair brush like you know the Patreon maybe,
Speaker 1: or like what is worth the buddy spending?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I've been seeing those, and I've been also
Speaker 4: seeing what are like five awesome dupes like that you
Speaker 4: can get just as easily for like half as much
Speaker 4: and it's just as good.
Speaker 2: Fake bag. I love it. Yeah, look at it. Look
Speaker 2: at it.
Speaker 4: I mean like I'm wearying right now, like Lululemon legging
Speaker 4: dupes from some random company that I found on that and.
Speaker 1: I love them.
Speaker 2: Like would you look at me and be like, well
Speaker 2: what what?
Speaker 4: A set out on her way to course, she has
Speaker 4: a case get out of the way.
Speaker 1: I was really rooting the mood. My nephew's like, you
Speaker 1: need to stop. He's like, how do you have friends?
Speaker 1: I like, keep bringing up murder? Well, she said something
Speaker 1: and I go, well, the elderly are the most vulnerable
Speaker 1: to murder, and he goes, can you not say that
Speaker 1: in front of baba. It's like oh yeah, And then
Speaker 1: he said something about like you know, girls can be
Speaker 1: so mean and mean girls We're like talking about camp
Speaker 1: and I go, oh, our girls mean? Or men raping
Speaker 1: and murdering women and He's like, Okay, I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: was just talking about the cabins, but yeah, I was
Speaker 1: wondering what is worth the.
Speaker 2: Money, Like I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think going out to eat, like restaurants with friends,
Speaker 1: like that's where that's worth it to be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's I would say one of the main
Speaker 4: things I spend my money on. Oh wait, speaking of money, why,
Speaker 4: I guess Iced Tea just announced, Yeah, he's gonna be
Speaker 4: on the whole season next year, and like Rollins will
Speaker 4: be back too, So I guess they found the money.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, dude.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I was sitting with a bunch of comedians
Speaker 1: at the cellar and we're for some reason, the Jelly
Speaker 1: roll that musician came up and we were like braid storming,
Speaker 1: like what you could sext to him or something like
Speaker 1: just like people were just shatting and they're like what
Speaker 1: other people have like dessert names or something like that,
Speaker 1: and someone said iced Tea and I whipped my head
Speaker 1: so fast. I got so aggressive and wet. That is
Speaker 1: a married man. And everyone's like, we're all just kidding here,
Speaker 1: but I ah, like I it was just instinctual, like
Speaker 1: I flipped out, and then I was like, oh my bad.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 1: Sorry, but I just like really believe in their marriage,
Speaker 1: and I don't think you would step out.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: I got a cue clip of them today that was like,
Speaker 4: really somebody sent to us that was like what it
Speaker 4: was like, it's a girl stitching it and at the beginning.
Speaker 2: It's like, what's your type?
Speaker 4: And then it's it's iced Tea telling Coco you're insane,
Speaker 4: but you're like a good insane, like you're not criminally insane.
Speaker 4: That's why I love you, because like you are just
Speaker 4: insane in like a goofy way.
Speaker 1: Like her face is like, okay, wait, but what else
Speaker 1: is worth somebody? I don't oh professional fray big, I
Speaker 1: think that's worth somebody. I think having someone clean your
Speaker 1: house is worth the money. Yes, personally, that goes number
Speaker 1: one cleaner.
Speaker 4: Like I just like, you know, I like to keep
Speaker 4: a clean home, but I do not like to do
Speaker 4: a scrub or like a deep clean, and I need.
Speaker 2: Someone professional for that. I like to I talk about
Speaker 2: that a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think professional cleaning is good. Even though my girl,
Speaker 1: you know, she drives you crazy. Her choices are so confusing.
Speaker 1: I'm like why would you up my gummy vitamins in
Speaker 1: the bathroom, like I eat the in the Like She'll
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Speaker 4: I'm always just like put everything back where it was,
Speaker 4: Like I mean, well she eating it, but like leave
Speaker 4: it essentially where it was.
Speaker 2: She doesn't have that option in my.
Speaker 4: Home, oh, because everything's everywhere.
Speaker 1: Or yeah, yeah, she has a tougher job, but she
Speaker 1: still drives you crazy.
Speaker 4: Maybe she thinks you get up, you'll like you brush,
Speaker 4: you take a gummy vitamin. I don't know my vitamins are. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they're on my bedside table. Actually, wait, what else is
Speaker 4: worth it? Because I know I spent my body not to.
Speaker 1: Stop, but I feel like I spend on lots of
Speaker 1: little things, Like I don't really like spend hard.
Speaker 2: You don't do major big purchases.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people would say, like spending
Speaker 4: more on like skincare, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 4: some like some super expensive like lotion or whatever, is
Speaker 4: like worth it for like longevity and age and blah
Speaker 4: blah blah.
Speaker 2: I would say a blowout.
Speaker 1: I would say house cleaner blowout, Yeah, Cause I don't
Speaker 1: think first class is always worth it. But I think
Speaker 1: it's worth it to be loyal to an airline and
Speaker 1: spend a little bit more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm certain auditions.
Speaker 1: For the overall perks and upgrades, but like I don't
Speaker 1: think I don't know if it's always worth spending over
Speaker 1: one thousand, two thousand dollars out of first class.
Speaker 2: See yeah, no, I would never.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's not for me. And also I you know,
Speaker 4: I blow my hair out myself, so blowouts aren't even
Speaker 4: wouldn't be on my list. But I do think that
Speaker 4: they're great.
Speaker 1: The only thing we agree on is house cleaner and
Speaker 1: that I'm really going out to.
Speaker 4: Eat and going out to eat. And I would say,
Speaker 4: I would say I'm getting to a point where like
Speaker 4: hotels like I can't I really can't stay like I've
Speaker 4: just now on this trip, stayed it like a one
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Speaker 4: allergies go crazy, Like I'm uncomfortable, I can't sleep. It's
Speaker 4: just not worth it for me. It's like worth it
Speaker 4: to me to spend a little bit more money. And
Speaker 4: I'm not talking about like a five star, but like
Speaker 4: something that's like you know, more established.
Speaker 2: I agree, and I would say my tiffity is jewelry.
Speaker 4: I love it is worth the money brings you to it,
Speaker 4: sparks joy you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let us know what's worth it to you, guys. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: And also if you're if you're in the mood, let
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Speaker 4: what the original of, what the major name is, because
Speaker 4: I love, I love a deal. Wait before we stop,
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Speaker 4: it was, oh, did you spend money to go to
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, or a play or some of the arts.
Speaker 1: So cleaning the arts, blowouts, restaurants, restaurants, hotels, hotels, that's
Speaker 1: my five.
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Speaker 4: get started with today's episode. Okay, today we're doing Assumption
Speaker 4: Season twenty, episode four. This episode came out May Nine's
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen. I'm home. I've got a one month old baby.
Speaker 4: You know I'm watching this.
Speaker 1: Thing well, and you know that this is the year
Speaker 1: Warren Light took off.
Speaker 4: Because it's a normal title. Yeah, season twenty, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 4: So two young dudes come running out of a religious building.
Speaker 4: I can't really tell what it is at first, and
Speaker 4: one is like, let's go, let's go, and the other
Speaker 4: one is like, they're going to find out, but they
Speaker 4: run off into the night a random woman. We find
Speaker 4: out later on the they're on the Upper West Side,
Speaker 4: and this really tracks goes you, oh boys, I saw
Speaker 4: you come out of the synagogue. What were you doing?
Speaker 4: I'm calling the cops. I mean, she's perfect. She's she's
Speaker 4: got like a cart. She's a cart lady. She's one
Speaker 4: of those ladies that pushes their groceries in a cart,
Speaker 4: their laundry, you know.
Speaker 2: They get around New York with the carts.
Speaker 4: And then they knock her ass over and her cart
Speaker 4: and they flee. So now we cut to Benson's cozy
Speaker 4: little apartment where she is watching a news report about
Speaker 4: Rob Miller aka Bosh aka Titus Well of her. He
Speaker 4: is the if we haven't covered this episode yet, but
Speaker 4: he's a famous lawyer who rapes Niki Stains, who's another
Speaker 4: lawyer from several sv episodes in the episode Blackout, and
Speaker 4: he's like this really powerful guy and very ominous. Richard
Speaker 4: Kind is playing his lawyer and he's they're telling the
Speaker 4: press they want his charges dismissed, and Benson quietly goes
Speaker 4: son of a bitch to herself, and then Noah immediately
Speaker 4: starts whining for her attention, and he's like, are.
Speaker 2: You mad at me?
Speaker 4: And she goes, no, I'm mad, but I'm not mad
Speaker 4: at you, Like I'm not, it's not the reason. But
Speaker 4: he's like, you're mad, right, and it's like, you know
Speaker 4: what she does for a living, right, Like at this
Speaker 4: point you're at least ten, you've got to know that
Speaker 4: her days are not great. So she tells him, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm mad, but not at you. And then he's like,
Speaker 4: how do you spell believe? As in believe women ben
Speaker 4: some superpower, and she's helping him spell it, sound it out,
Speaker 4: and she's sitting with him and she's helping him, but
Speaker 4: her eyes are wandering back over to this news coverage,
Speaker 4: which is long they are the camera's on him for
Speaker 4: a long time on the news. And then at the synagogue,
Speaker 4: the lady that the kids decked is describing the boys
Speaker 4: to the cops and she says, well, one was wearing
Speaker 4: one of those red Maga hats. And the cops like
Speaker 4: seem skeptical. They're like, so did you actually see them?
Speaker 4: Do anything or and the lady's like they were running,
Speaker 4: and I mean, I gotta give it to the like
Speaker 4: the cops, Like the cops don't have anything to go on.
Speaker 4: But two teens booking it at night is never a
Speaker 4: good sign. And she mentions that as they passed her,
Speaker 4: one of them called her a slur for Jewish people,
Speaker 4: and she mentions that temple was vandalized. Last week's swastikas
Speaker 4: were spray painted everywhere. So they start searching the dark
Speaker 4: synagogue and a female cop is basically calling in it
Speaker 4: and as nothing. She's like false alarm or something like that.
Speaker 4: When she starts finding articles of clothing and eventually, very
Speaker 4: quickly after a woman unconscious, lying on the floor, blood
Speaker 4: on her head, and she's going, please stop, please stop.
Speaker 4: The woman so she's conscious, but she's like barely making sense,
Speaker 4: you know, she's in and out of consciousness, I would say.
Speaker 4: So when Carisi and Rowins get there, they're getting the
Speaker 4: info it's a sexual assault, possibly a hate crime. Her
Speaker 4: hitjob was torn off. Karsi's confused why a Muslim woman
Speaker 4: would be raped in a synagogue, and it's like, how
Speaker 4: do you not know yet that any old wild thing
Speaker 4: can happen in New York City?
Speaker 2: Like, how long have you been on the squad? Now
Speaker 2: it's season twenty.
Speaker 4: The victim's name is Nala Nassar's and they're like the
Speaker 4: city councilwoman and Rollin's and Carisi discussed how this council
Speaker 4: woman has been on the news a lot lately for
Speaker 4: making anti Semitic comments, so why would she be in
Speaker 4: a And the victim gets rolled out on a stretcher.
Speaker 4: They ask her what happened, and she goes, I was
Speaker 4: set up by quote unquote those people. And like, I
Speaker 4: think literally never once been used in a good way
Speaker 4: like those people. No one's ever said those people really
Speaker 4: came through for me when I was sick. Those people really,
Speaker 4: you know, like it's just not really a really a
Speaker 4: great way to ever refer to anyone. So outside a
Speaker 4: hospital the next morning, Benson meets up with Daddy Dodds
Speaker 4: aka Eyebrows, and she's just like and he goes, she
Speaker 4: was set up by Jews, and the way he says
Speaker 4: it is really funny. I just it's just funny, like
Speaker 4: and and it's like Benson hasn't even had coffee yet,
Speaker 4: and he's like, she was set up by Jews, like
Speaker 4: there's not even proof, and the press is hounding them
Speaker 4: for answers, saying the victim is a note at anti Semite,
Speaker 4: and dodd says the NYPD does not control bigotry or
Speaker 4: hate motivated violence of any kind, blah blah blah. Once
Speaker 4: they're inside, Dodds is like, oh, I haven't even had
Speaker 4: the chance to talk to you about Rob Miller. You
Speaker 4: heard he's out on bail, like kind of like trying
Speaker 4: to goss with her. Benson's like, yeah, I would have
Speaker 4: loved a heads up about that, and Dodds is like,
Speaker 4: I found out on the news too, man, Like they
Speaker 4: don't tell me anything.
Speaker 1: So Rollin's and Careesi filled out those two. In Miss
Speaker 1: Nastar is being treated for a concussion. They're doing a
Speaker 1: rape kit. Still no leads on why she was in
Speaker 1: the temple, but her chief of staff, Aida galanis just
Speaker 1: to ride.
Speaker 4: Maybe she'll have some answers. Dodds wants them to tell
Speaker 4: her to shut the fuck up and not talk to
Speaker 4: the press. Basically, so Realissi is now talking to Aida,
Speaker 4: who's played by Elise Hudson. She was in Spike Lee's
Speaker 4: She's got to have it, and she's basically jogging through.
Speaker 2: The hospital while talking to them.
Speaker 4: It's quite a brisk walk and talk, and she's telling
Speaker 4: them Nalla is passionate, she's criticizing Israel. She's not anti Semitic,
Speaker 4: So why was she at this temple? And AIDA's like, honestly,
Speaker 4: I don't know. She can actually be very private and
Speaker 4: I respect her boundaries. She received any threats and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean our office is basically a protest headquarters. Are
Speaker 4: you kidding? Like her phone is ringing off the hook
Speaker 4: with hate calls, so yeah, the answer is yes, and
Speaker 4: Rollins is like sure, sure, sure, Like but anything outside
Speaker 4: of like the standard hate stuff, like anything sexual, anything specific.
Speaker 4: And Ada's like, yeah, no one said they were going
Speaker 4: to rape her. And they're like, okay, well we need phone,
Speaker 4: email and social media records blah blah blah. And she goes,
Speaker 4: hope you need the overtime, and like, in terms of
Speaker 4: all these threats, there's so many threats, so and she goes,
Speaker 4: I'm sick of what happened out there. But the upside
Speaker 4: is that everyone is going to realize that she's the
Speaker 4: real victim here. So now we've seen Alla walking back
Speaker 4: into her hospital room to find several NYPD detectives plus
Speaker 4: eyebrows waiting for her. And this actress is named Nazanine Contractor.
Speaker 4: She's been at regular on like twenty four COVID Affairs
Speaker 4: Jennifer Hospital. She's like guest art on almost every single
Speaker 4: show you've ever heard of. And they tell her they're
Speaker 4: sorry for what happened to her. She tells them, listen,
Speaker 4: my parents are from Syria. I know what girls have
Speaker 4: endured in war zones. I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself.
Speaker 4: And Benson is like, Okay, that's all well and good,
Speaker 4: but you have been traumatized and we're here to help you.
Speaker 4: And she's like, well, then catch his ass. And she's
Speaker 4: telling them that she was alone in the sanctuary. She
Speaker 4: was looking in at the Torres scrolls in the cabinet.
Speaker 4: It felt like a place of reverence, a place of godliness,
Speaker 4: and then she was hit on the back of the
Speaker 4: head violently. She fell to the ground. She started to
Speaker 4: cry and says he pinned her down. He was rough,
Speaker 4: He tore off her job, pulled up her skirt and
Speaker 4: forced himself on her, and he didn't say anything. She
Speaker 4: didn't see his face. She doesn't know when he left.
Speaker 4: She must have passed out. So why did you say
Speaker 4: you were set up?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Why were you there?
Speaker 4: And she said, I was lured there by a man
Speaker 4: pretending to want peace. I was lied to by a Zionist.
Speaker 4: So now they're in the Holocaust exhibit room at the
Speaker 4: synagogue where Ezra Zuckerman is telling them that some members
Speaker 4: of the congregation took issue with Misnassar, and he invited
Speaker 4: her to come walk through this Holocaust exhibit so that
Speaker 4: if she could see the images and what represents like
Speaker 4: she could see how hurtful her words were to the
Speaker 4: Jewish community. And he's like, we were supposed to meet
Speaker 4: in front of the office at eight o'clock, but she
Speaker 4: never showed up. He waited until eight twenty eight, twenty five,
Speaker 4: called her office a bunch of times, no answer, so
Speaker 4: he went home. He's got things to do. And this
Speaker 4: guy is actually an actor named Bob Ari and he
Speaker 4: was in the episode Cage aka the l Fanning episode
Speaker 4: where and the final episode of Back where we finally
Speaker 4: get rid of her, and he played a trial a
Speaker 4: child trafficker named Ignacious Petty, which is a wild name
Speaker 4: and is but now I see that face.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yes he looks fo okay.
Speaker 4: And he's also in the season twenty four episode called
Speaker 4: dead Ball, but I don't quite remember what that one
Speaker 4: is off the top of my head. Zuckerman confirms the
Speaker 4: vandalism that the other woman told him about from weeks earlier,
Speaker 4: and Finn's like, well, was there anyone around that could
Speaker 4: have seen anything? A maintenance crew, anything, And he's like yeah,
Speaker 4: he goes, well, the facility manager unlocked the room, and
Speaker 4: there was also a youth group meeting that night. Uh oh,
Speaker 4: he goes, I saw two boys in the bathroom, and
Speaker 4: he's okay to totally give their asses up to the cops.
Speaker 4: He said, he feels terrible for what happened to miss Nastar,
Speaker 4: but she's also been saying horrid stuff about his community,
Speaker 4: reinforcing stereotypes and tropes, and that's how things got started
Speaker 4: in Germany. The guy says, So, Finn and Cries are
Speaker 4: buzzing a doorbell and also arguing. Finn is like, why
Speaker 4: can't she say whatever she wants? And Carisy goes, sure,
Speaker 4: that's first Amendment, but like, what if she was saying
Speaker 4: horrible shit about African Americans, and Finn goes, I don't
Speaker 4: bother listening to ignorant dumbasses.
Speaker 2: So he's like, I guess. He's like, it wouldn't really
Speaker 2: bother me.
Speaker 4: I don't listen to stupid people, and Cariese's like, well
Speaker 4: that's you, Finn.
Speaker 2: The world doesn't work like that.
Speaker 4: Words have consequences, and wow, Carisi has the audacity to
Speaker 4: be explaining to Finn Tutuola how the world does and
Speaker 4: does not work is kind of wild. But Finn's like,
Speaker 4: so it's free speech until you piss somebody off, and
Speaker 4: then it's hate speech. Her conversation gets interrupted. Finally someone
Speaker 4: answers this goddamn door. It's been a long time that
Speaker 4: they've been having this conversation, and very accusatory. The guy goes,
Speaker 4: can I help you? It's like do you want to
Speaker 4: see if they're like, I don't know from the power department,
Speaker 4: like chill out. And so they tell them that they're
Speaker 4: looking for Ari Kaplan and he goes, that's my son,
Speaker 4: and they're like, can you go get him for us?
Speaker 4: Now Ari comes to the front door wearing a backwards
Speaker 4: red baseball cap. They ask if he was at the synagogue.
Speaker 4: The night before, and he goes, yeah, but we didn't
Speaker 4: touch her. I swear to God, and that's all they
Speaker 4: need to hear. You need to come with us right now,
Speaker 4: let's go. So they drag this kid. The two boys
Speaker 4: are named Ari Kaplan and Michael Schwartz, caught on security cameras.
Speaker 4: They were there for a meeting about their birthright trip
Speaker 4: to Israel, which loll just making sure all the rules
Speaker 4: and rags of the birthright trip are being laid out
Speaker 4: in advance. And then it turns out that the red
Speaker 4: cap is not a Maga hat, it's a high school logo.
Speaker 4: And the lady that they shoved esther said she actually
Speaker 4: might have misunderstood the word mike, which one of the
Speaker 4: boys is named Michael for the Jewish slur that she heard. So, okay,
Speaker 4: some of these, you know, eyewitness account things are a
Speaker 4: little bit melting away now. So the boys say that
Speaker 4: they walked into the temple they saw her lying unconscious
Speaker 4: on the floor when they walked in, they freaked out,
Speaker 4: thought they'd get blamed. Cariese is questioning this kid in
Speaker 4: cement room bars and he's like, why would you Why
Speaker 4: would people blame you? And he goes because she's an
Speaker 4: anti Semite, and the dad's like, listen, I don't love
Speaker 4: this woman, but my son did not rape her.
Speaker 2: He's a good boy. And then how many times have
Speaker 2: we heard that?
Speaker 4: And they're like, yeah, he's a good boy who left
Speaker 4: a victim of a crime bleeding on the temple floor.
Speaker 4: Crisey's like, I don't know if God would have sided
Speaker 4: with him on this one, and then Ari's ratcheting up
Speaker 4: his squeaky teen voice, being like.
Speaker 2: What was she even doing there? It's like she was
Speaker 2: deliberately trying.
Speaker 4: To provoke us, and Caresee's like, well did it work?
Speaker 4: You seem angry. Her head was smashed, her hit job
Speaker 4: was torn off, and he says he says, you know,
Speaker 4: I didn't do that. And this actor's name is Ted Sutherland.
Speaker 4: He's also in Catfishing Teacher. There's like a lot of
Speaker 4: repeat people in this episode. Cariese says, Okay, well maybe
Speaker 4: it was your buddy Michael, and if it was, you
Speaker 4: better roll on him before he rolls on you. So
Speaker 4: now Finn is with whiney teen number two Michael Schwartz
Speaker 4: with his mother giving him the same run around like
Speaker 4: why didn't you help her? Why didn't you do anything?
Speaker 4: And the mother shows her true colors pretty quickly, referring
Speaker 4: to the victim as that Muslim woman and saying that
Speaker 4: her head scarf means she believes in Sharia law. And
Speaker 4: Finn goes, so she's a terrorist, and then the mom
Speaker 4: lawyer's up for her.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Emmy Blotnik has the best joke right now,
Speaker 1: because you know, people that hate mom Donnie, it's always
Speaker 1: like Sharia lah, you know, yah, yeah, and she goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, New York filled with millions of people, all
Speaker 1: differing on so many topics, but what brings us all
Speaker 1: together is Sharia law. Yeah, like this idea that like
Speaker 1: that's what we would all be voting for or whatever,
Speaker 1: that he's going to get the NYPD to enforce Sharia
Speaker 1: law in New York City. But that's what got everyone
Speaker 1: everyone of I mean, it is crazy that this episode
Speaker 1: because it's not ahead of its time, because stuff was
Speaker 1: happening in the Middle East for.
Speaker 2: Decades, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it is wild that it's this a few years.
Speaker 2: Before more of this started boiling over and yeah, so.
Speaker 1: In but it's also it's like, you don't know anyone
Speaker 1: with a head scarf. That's like chilling fun like I
Speaker 1: don't know, yeah, like you yeah, you don't know any
Speaker 1: Jews or like not into it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also yeah, no, I was gonna, but they don't.
Speaker 4: There are other religions that were whole head scarves too, right,
Speaker 4: there are other religions that wear head coverings. I mean,
Speaker 4: of all people Jews, it's like you guys wear Yamaica's
Speaker 4: we guys. I'm a Jew, but like we wear Yamaica's
Speaker 4: men and well people cover their heads.
Speaker 1: Well it's yeah, it's just racist. Yeah, but you know
Speaker 1: they're showing the two side.
Speaker 4: The one dad is like, I don't agree with her,
Speaker 4: but we didn't do this, and the other mom is
Speaker 4: like she practiced is sharia law famously storming New York
Speaker 4: City taking it over right now. So in Liz's office,
Speaker 4: the gang is brainstorming.
Speaker 2: So we've got motive an opportunity.
Speaker 4: They hate this woman all over social media, but none
Speaker 4: of their posts advocate violence.
Speaker 2: They're also straight A students.
Speaker 4: They have no records and there's no other evidence, and like,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry if two teens were gonna commit a rape
Speaker 4: on the fly in a temple. They're leaving DNA, but
Speaker 4: we keep saying this like they're not leaving an impeccable
Speaker 4: crime scene behind. Okay, there's no other evidence, there's no
Speaker 4: DNA on the rape kit. Benson asks Finn his thoughts
Speaker 4: and he says, I see racism all around, and Benson says, well,
Speaker 4: why don't we release the boys and we'll see if
Speaker 4: Nala can make an id Releasi is now walking and
Speaker 4: talking with the redhead chief of staff Aida again and
Speaker 4: she's like, this was a hate we know who is responsible.
Speaker 4: Is NYPD afraid of being labeled anti Semitic and they
Speaker 4: tell her they want to find out who did this,
Speaker 4: and at the same time as Naula as walking out
Speaker 4: with an elderly constituent promising to protect her from eviction,
Speaker 4: so they want to show her some photos and her
Speaker 4: chief of staff is like, she didn't see the guy,
Speaker 4: and she's like, no, let the cops do their work,
Speaker 4: and then she says no, no, she's right, like I
Speaker 4: didn't see shit, and then she swipes through a bunch
Speaker 4: of the dudes the on the iPad and she doesn't
Speaker 4: recognize any of them, but then she stops at Ari's picture.
Speaker 4: She goes, I don't know him from that night, but
Speaker 4: I know him from earlier that day, and she also
Speaker 4: id's Michael and says he was there too. He grabbed
Speaker 4: my job and spit in my face. There Islamophobes, it's
Speaker 4: in their blood. One of these boys had.
Speaker 2: To have done it. So she's like saying racist things
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: You know, Liz, it's like a fucking nightmare, and it's like,
Speaker 1: it's a fucking nightmare ignorant, but it's not.
Speaker 2: It's worse than ignorance, yeah, heye.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's ways comes from ignorance or
Speaker 1: does it inherently?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I think sometimes it's just generational.
Speaker 4: Centuries after centuries, people are taught, you know, to that
Speaker 4: that's like there the beliefs of their family and everyone
Speaker 4: around them, and it's like this is what we believe,
Speaker 4: you know. But Liv is like, okay, So these boys
Speaker 4: were protesting outside her office earlier that day and they
Speaker 4: didn't mention it, and obviously they said they they thought.
Speaker 2: It would make them look guilty, which it does.
Speaker 4: And also they said that she started it, and they're like, well,
Speaker 4: did anyone else witness this? DoD breezes in goes head
Speaker 4: over to metro buzz okay the website, and they have
Speaker 4: footage of the entire argument, like a very clear high
Speaker 4: death right up close footage. The boys are in her face,
Speaker 4: calling her an anti semi and she goes, ew, stop
Speaker 4: spitting in my face like an animal. But she means
Speaker 4: like while he's talking, like he didn't spit in her face.
Speaker 4: He's spitting while he's talking because he's mad. And then
Speaker 4: he puts a hand on her for like maybe a
Speaker 4: split second to get her attention and says, don't call
Speaker 4: me an animal, and she goes, are you trying to
Speaker 4: rip off my hijab?
Speaker 2: Which riles up the crowd.
Speaker 4: It's an act of aggression, like and it clearly on
Speaker 4: the video is like not what he's trying to do.
Speaker 4: But he is screaming in her face, which is not good.
Speaker 4: And it's all over the news that that footage, they say,
Speaker 4: and the claim that the NYPD arrested two Jewish teens
Speaker 4: even though they didn't arrest the teens. They let the
Speaker 4: teens go, so they like someone must have leaked it.
Speaker 4: Dodds is stressed about the optics. He's like, it would
Speaker 4: have been easier if it had just been too alt
Speaker 4: right thugs. And now at Metro Buzz, Finn and Careesi
Speaker 4: are talking to some dork and they want to know
Speaker 4: who told him they arrested the two Jewish teens when
Speaker 4: they did it, and he's like, I can't give up
Speaker 4: my sources, and I like hate this guy. He starts
Speaker 4: eating a banana mid conversation that makes me want to
Speaker 4: throw up, Like stop like eating a mushy fruit in
Speaker 4: the middle of a conversation. It's not his problem, NYPD
Speaker 4: wants to control the narrative, he says, and Caresee's like,
Speaker 4: aren't you a journalist?
Speaker 2: Like are you supposed to care about the truth?
Speaker 4: And he goes, yeah, it turns out there's a lot
Speaker 4: of different truths out there, and you know, this is
Speaker 4: the height of alternative facts and like fake news and
Speaker 4: shit like that, because this is like two years into
Speaker 4: Trump And he says, are there any more questions?
Speaker 2: I got work to do?
Speaker 4: Is he keeps mowing on his banana and they go
Speaker 4: had your film crew just happen to be front and
Speaker 4: center for all of this? And he's like, I guess
Speaker 4: I just got lucky. I've been covering the councilwoman. I
Speaker 4: knew things would get ugly. Eventually, Carisi and Finn are
Speaker 4: gross out by this guy. I am too.
Speaker 2: He keeps up with his banana and then they leave.
Speaker 4: So Stone and Benson are now, as per usual, boozing
Speaker 4: at a bar together and he says that video does
Speaker 4: not look good for the boys. And they're watching the
Speaker 4: news and Nala is there also giving an interview about
Speaker 4: these boys.
Speaker 2: Who targeted her at her office with the protest.
Speaker 4: She went to the synagogue in good faith and she
Speaker 4: was sexually assaulted there, and Stone says, she's pouring gas
Speaker 4: on the fire, and Cariese's like, maybe more than that.
Speaker 4: We found an outgoing call from Nala's office to metro
Speaker 4: Buzz at three point thirty that day, and the confrontation
Speaker 4: happened at four point fifteen. So did she orchestrate this
Speaker 4: whole thing? Is it a hoax? And Stone goes, maybe
Speaker 4: it's not the only hoax. So now, of course Stone's
Speaker 4: the first one to be like, she made up the rape,
Speaker 4: and Benson and Stone confront Nala at her office, suggests
Speaker 4: that she orchestrated the whole thing, which she denies, and
Speaker 4: they're like, basically, She's like, well, they were protesting outside
Speaker 4: of my office, and they're like, sure, but once you
Speaker 4: knew they were there, you exploited this situation, like you
Speaker 4: turned up the heat, you did all, you know. And
Speaker 4: she's like, everybody's so worried about the Jews, and Benson's like, no,
Speaker 4: we're just trying to figure this out. Why would you
Speaker 4: call metro buzz And she goes it could have been
Speaker 4: someone else in my office, and Stone counters, yeah, but
Speaker 4: anybody in your office who made that call would have
Speaker 4: a vested interest in your success. And then she gets
Speaker 4: mad and she's like, are you suggesting I'm lying about
Speaker 4: my assault? And Benson's like, absolutely not, and Stone's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: pretty much I am. And she's like and Stone is like,
Speaker 4: you couldn't describe your attacker. Your rape kit was inconclusive.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's being an asshole. Nala is outraged and says,
Speaker 4: I wonder if my headscarf has something to do with
Speaker 4: you doubting me, And Benson has to like diffuse this
Speaker 4: situation because, you know, although this episode is episode four
Speaker 4: of season twenty, so Stone is still getting his SVU legs,
Speaker 4: I would say, right, he's still kind of being addict
Speaker 4: to victims, probably here and there, so so she goes,
Speaker 4: can you just give our text access to your phone records?
Speaker 4: And she's like, no fucking way, Jose, I thought the
Speaker 4: days of police calling victims liars were over.
Speaker 2: I guess not so.
Speaker 4: Outside the press is swarming once again, asking why aren't
Speaker 4: those Jewish kids in custody and like, yeah, I don't
Speaker 4: know if the press would be like framing it like that.
Speaker 4: But Stone is stonewalling, and Benson thinks Nala could be
Speaker 4: hiding something on her cell phone, and Stone's like, I'll
Speaker 4: get a subpoena. But Benson is worried that this is
Speaker 4: going to further the narrative that the victim is being persecuted.
Speaker 4: He goes, grab what phone records you can from the
Speaker 4: service provider. I'll go after metro Buzz. So we cut
Speaker 4: to the precinct where they have the whole tape from
Speaker 4: metro Buzz. Okay, so what we had seen on the
Speaker 4: news was like an edited tape and this is like
Speaker 4: the raw footage. So the judge agreed with Stone and
Speaker 4: said that it was a stage publicity stunt, not a
Speaker 4: protected act of journalism. And in the video, Nala goes
Speaker 4: straight into the mob instead of walking away like she
Speaker 4: comes out of her office, she sees there's a mob
Speaker 4: of protesters and she walks straight into it instead of
Speaker 4: being like, Bye, I'm getting in a carb going home,
Speaker 4: and she demands to know why are you harassing me?
Speaker 4: And they're like because you talk shit about Jewish people?
Speaker 4: And she's like, you condone genocide. And they're fighting back
Speaker 4: and forth and they go, you're the one that wants
Speaker 4: to push us into the sea. Who's paying you to
Speaker 4: come down here? Ziona is from Apac, Like you're not
Speaker 4: real Americans. Like there's all this back and forth going on,
Speaker 4: and the kid goes cause I don't know if it's
Speaker 4: Ari or Michael. Honestly I lost her.
Speaker 1: All the mislicals are like building hotels and just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, excited by all of this?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so annoying, Yeah, like building concentration camps?
Speaker 2: You mean? But no, like did you see the Gwyneth
Speaker 2: Paltrow ad No?
Speaker 1: Oh, she is like jaw gig through Israel, looking at
Speaker 1: saying like look at all these luxury homes and hotels,
Speaker 1: how lovely? And it's like you, no, that was someone's
Speaker 1: home and they've all just been bombed to fucking pieces
Speaker 1: and she's jogging through. It's trying to sell luxury real estate,
Speaker 1: like where just even fucking murdered, Like Jenne's like a
Speaker 1: whole population of.
Speaker 2: People just fucking exploded.
Speaker 1: And I mean I had friends telling me that when
Speaker 1: you know, like a few years ago, like they're like,
Speaker 1: the Kushners are gonna buy up all this land and
Speaker 1: they're gonna make resorts like that Ai.
Speaker 4: The post land in Armenia, and the Armenians are furious.
Speaker 2: It's and that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I've saw a thing where it's like these billionaire capitalists,
Speaker 1: these like colonizers there that's never enough, never enough for
Speaker 1: these fucking people. But Gwyneth Pultrow, it's just like that
Speaker 1: clip coming out like I'm an independent, I don't really
Speaker 1: think about stuff. I feel nothing, and then an ad
Speaker 1: coming out like I sell real estate. It's right, but
Speaker 1: I don't think any I don't think anything matters because
Speaker 1: money unifies people more than anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so fucked up. You got to see the squind
Speaker 4: of that. I'm gonna look it up as soon as
Speaker 4: we're done here, are you kidding? That's crazy? But the
Speaker 4: one of the teens, I can't tell these two teen
Speaker 4: boys apart really. One of them goes, I am I
Speaker 4: am America, I'm a Jewish American or whatever, and she goes,
Speaker 4: so it's all about the Benjamins, then, isn't it. So
Speaker 4: she's using like inflammatory like, you know, they're both like
Speaker 4: I think they're all in this episode using inflammatory language
Speaker 4: about each other, and she's taunting him.
Speaker 2: Careesy points it out.
Speaker 4: He's like, look like she's saying all this stuff to like,
Speaker 4: but the Benjamin's part gets caught out of the thing,
Speaker 4: you know, and then then we see that don't spit
Speaker 4: in my face and the rip to jab attempt, and
Speaker 4: they're just not like, that part's not included, and so
Speaker 4: obviously metro Buzz only posted the second half of the
Speaker 4: confrontation and they don't buy that. They don't buy that
Speaker 4: these teens would have retaliated against that by sexually assault her,
Speaker 4: like that's it. But they're like, maybe she staged it,
Speaker 4: and Stone's like, if so, she'll be the one in handcuffs.
Speaker 4: So meanwhile, in the b plot, Benson tells Dodds how
Speaker 4: Rob Miller's lawyer served her with a subpoena last night
Speaker 4: at home when she was home with Noah, and he
Speaker 4: also had a state trooper pull her over with Noah
Speaker 4: in the car. Nikki stains is terrified and won't testify,
Speaker 4: and you know, she's like, he raped her and he's
Speaker 4: gonna get away with it, and Donn's is like.
Speaker 2: Why don't you let me worry about that.
Speaker 4: The Mayor's office needs to know we're making progress with
Speaker 4: the Nasar case, and so she says, we're working on it,
Speaker 4: and he goes, we'll work faster. It's like, I don't
Speaker 4: know when work faster has ever like yielded better results.
Speaker 4: But he also asks Benson about some memo and then goes,
Speaker 4: you'd let me know if you had issues with that, right,
Speaker 4: and she goes, yeah, I would have let you know.
Speaker 4: I don't really know if they ever come back to
Speaker 4: the memo, and I don't know what it is, but
Speaker 4: maybe somebody else does. Robins pops in with some info
Speaker 4: over Eizen finally turned over all of Nala's call logs.
Speaker 4: Nothing from the day of the assault or the night before,
Speaker 4: but there are a lot of calls to a nine
Speaker 4: one seven number, and who is this person? Could that
Speaker 4: be her accomplice? So Finn and Cares are on the scene.
Speaker 4: The phone is registered to Tracy Larson and they're at
Speaker 4: the address and it's meow mixed two point zero is
Speaker 4: what it's called. And Finn asks Cariesy, you know what
Speaker 4: this is? And Creasy goes a petsto and it's a
Speaker 4: lesbian bar and Tracy is the owner. She's not there.
Speaker 4: Carisey and Finn are goofing around, going, oh, she's not here.
Speaker 2: You don't know where she is.
Speaker 4: I guess we'll just sup, we'll just chill, we'll just
Speaker 4: post up here, and uh wait until she gets here,
Speaker 4: because like nothing chills the mood. Then two straight male
Speaker 4: detectives at a lesbian bar and uh, Caresy ghosts, can
Speaker 4: I get a club sodo with a lot of limes.
Speaker 4: I love limes, like the way he says it is
Speaker 4: really funny to me. And that's when they clock done. Done.
Speaker 4: Nala herself at the bar, ordering a dirty martini from
Speaker 4: the bartender who she knows by name.
Speaker 2: No Hi, job on.
Speaker 4: They make I contact with her and she knows the
Speaker 4: jig is up outside She's begging them, please do not
Speaker 4: out me. My professional life will be over, and they're like,
Speaker 4: so is the hijob Muslim thing like just for show,
Speaker 4: and she goes the way they were, this is weird.
Speaker 2: She goes, it didn't start out that way.
Speaker 4: Like they make it seem like she became Muslim for
Speaker 4: the show, like for the show of being a city
Speaker 4: council person, and that's like not true. She was a
Speaker 4: devout Muslim and then when she met Tracy everything changed.
Speaker 4: They've been together for about a year, so dundun, she's
Speaker 4: a lesbian and she trusts the ladies at this bar.
Speaker 2: She asks them to do the same, and she's.
Speaker 4: Like, I'm really territfied of my parents finding out as well,
Speaker 4: and Finn goes, listen, your sexual orientation is none of
Speaker 4: our business unless it affects your case, and she goes,
Speaker 4: it doesn't. And the whole time she's talking to them,
Speaker 4: she's like tying her hit job back on because she's
Speaker 4: like out on the street and I think that now
Speaker 4: Mix two point zero is the only place where she's
Speaker 4: allowed to be herself. So at the precinct, Benson's like,
Speaker 4: but at the same time, it's like, Lady, any random
Speaker 4: lesbians can go into that bar, like anyone can say
Speaker 4: they saw a city council person. You do know, think
Speaker 4: there's not gossipy lesbians like, it's not like everyone's a regular.
Speaker 4: It's very ballsy, a member's only club. Maybe I would buy,
Speaker 4: but like just a bar. But also I don't know
Speaker 4: council people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like if some councilman was with or without a
Speaker 1: job or her glasses, like the only reason I know, mom, Donnie, Like.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know anything.
Speaker 4: I know what my local council person looks like, and
Speaker 4: I know maybe what like three LA council people look
Speaker 4: like in La. But you're right if they were if
Speaker 4: I was in a different neighborhood and naked, and I'd
Speaker 4: have no idea.
Speaker 2: Who they were.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd be like, look at this weird guy.
Speaker 4: Oh he's actually the rep from Council twelve, so District twelve.
Speaker 4: I meant, okay, So at the precinct, Benson's like, okay,
Speaker 4: well why can't she be gay and Muslim? And Rollin's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's fine, just don't run for office and lie about
Speaker 4: who you are, and Coreasey points out that growing up
Speaker 4: gay in a devout family has to be rough, and
Speaker 4: Finn's like, yeah, and if we were in Iraq, they'd
Speaker 4: throw her off a roof, which is a talking point
Speaker 4: that gets you know, parroted a lot, but Benson wants
Speaker 4: them to chase this angle, talk to her family, et cetera.
Speaker 1: That's the thing with always that where it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you don't care about gay people in our country,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, and also how does that like because their
Speaker 1: government hates gays, so then we should explode that, like
Speaker 1: I don't know if being a dead gay it proves anything,
Speaker 1: Like it's just none of that ever matters. Or like
Speaker 1: when they talk about the Middle East and are like
Speaker 1: what about the women, I'm like, I don't know, a
Speaker 1: lot of women here aren't treated well, Like what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? You don't actually care? I hate when
Speaker 1: people use like what is it bad faith arguments? Yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously you would like that, but it's like you don't
Speaker 1: care about yay men or gay people or poor people,
Speaker 1: So stop fucking pretending when it like gives you motivation
Speaker 1: to Bamba country.
Speaker 2: Yep, exactly.
Speaker 4: So now they're sitting and talking to Nala's dad and mom. Okay,
Speaker 4: they immigrated from Syria for years ago. Nala was born
Speaker 4: there in the States, they're very proud of her. She
Speaker 4: majored in foreign relations at Dartmouth worked in DC and
Speaker 4: they're like, thankfully, she also stayed in the faith the
Speaker 4: entire time. And they're like, well, did she have a
Speaker 4: rebel from the religion? And they're like a little bit like,
Speaker 4: she went to high school in Brooklyn and she wanted
Speaker 4: to fit in, but she started wearing the hit job
Speaker 4: when she met Masud, her ex husband, which the parents
Speaker 4: are pretty chill about her having an ex husband. They've
Speaker 4: been divorced two years. The mom says it was very amicable.
Speaker 4: He wanted a large family and she wasn't ready. She
Speaker 4: wanted to focus on her career, and so they go
Speaker 4: to speak to Masud. He is a florist, and he
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, I was going to reach out to
Speaker 4: her when I heard what happened, but I didn't think
Speaker 4: she want to hear from me. And the kid thing
Speaker 4: is basically what they told her parents and his parents,
Speaker 4: but they basically grew apart.
Speaker 2: They weren't quote unquote on the same page romantically, he says.
Speaker 1: So she still loves her gay and that's why he's
Speaker 1: a florist. What's going on here? No, I think he
Speaker 1: is straight, but that's funny.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he just was like she didn't want to have
Speaker 4: sex with me because she doesn't like men. So he
Speaker 4: still loves her, but he thought it was best to
Speaker 4: let her move. On the night of the attack, he
Speaker 4: was at the flower shop all day until eight o'clock
Speaker 4: when he walked home and Caresee says okay, thanks. But
Speaker 4: when they walk out, he's suspicious as hell. He tells Rollins,
Speaker 4: there's no way he was at that flower shop till
Speaker 4: eight and Caresy They're like, how do you know? And
Speaker 4: Creasey goes, because I saw his ass on the metro
Speaker 4: Buzz video watching the whole thing go down. When I
Speaker 4: tell you that, They go back to the precinct and
Speaker 4: they check the tape and Masude is so far in
Speaker 4: the fucking background.
Speaker 2: It's like a where's Waldo?
Speaker 4: There is no way in hell Careese would have clocked
Speaker 4: this dude and memorized his face. It could be one
Speaker 4: thing if he looked at the photo later and goes,
Speaker 4: wait a minute, is that the guy we talked to
Speaker 4: at the flower shop? But to see him at the
Speaker 4: flower shop and recognize him being a centimeter big in
Speaker 4: this video is crazy to me. Maybe he's watched it
Speaker 4: a thousand times. Who knows, but Taru trace this guy's
Speaker 4: cell phone to the flower shop all night, so he
Speaker 4: must been smart enough to leave it behind. At Nana's office,
Speaker 4: she says, I haven't seen Masuit in two years since
Speaker 4: we split, and he hasn't reached out. But then redheaded
Speaker 4: chief of staff, And again, is this wrong of me
Speaker 4: to keep referring to her as a redhead? She has
Speaker 4: very beautiful red hair. I don't ever say the brunette
Speaker 4: chief of staff. Really, I just do it with a
Speaker 4: redhead because her hair is very like pretty and red
Speaker 4: and it's kind of like a striking thing about her.
Speaker 4: But I hope that's not, you know, being weird. She says, well,
Speaker 4: that's actually not true. He's been here three times in
Speaker 4: the last few months and I made him leave. And
Speaker 4: Nala's like, bitch, why didn't you tell me that? And
Speaker 4: She's like, well, he stopped coming when I told him
Speaker 4: that I was going to call the cops. But I
Speaker 4: am pretty sure I saw him waiting outside one day
Speaker 4: last week, so obviously your plan didn't work. And Nana's like, okay,
Speaker 4: he was stalking me. And Benson says that an older
Speaker 4: woman in the area that night said that she saw
Speaker 4: Masud hanging around the synagogue. Now is this the same
Speaker 4: woman Esther? And is she just hanging around the cinemagogue
Speaker 4: literally reporting anyone she sees walking too quickly or just
Speaker 4: hanging around. A good question that we don't get the
Speaker 4: answer to it. I'm just finding it.
Speaker 1: Is such a good jew name, like they are like
Speaker 1: in terms of like the name Stereo, like the names
Speaker 1: that they are reinstormed.
Speaker 2: I think has to be really nailed it. My grandma's
Speaker 2: name Esther yep.
Speaker 4: So uh is there anywhere else he could have followed you?
Speaker 4: And Nalah is clueless, and they ask Aita to leave
Speaker 4: the room, okay, And like Bensing goes, could he have
Speaker 4: followed you to Morgan's Bar? And I don't know why
Speaker 4: she calls it Morgan's bar because Tracy's name is Tracy Larson.
Speaker 4: The bar has called me how mixed two point zero?
Speaker 4: I don't know why. I think that seems like I
Speaker 4: caught something. I caught a mistake and I love to
Speaker 4: do that. And Nala goes, I don't know, But then
Speaker 4: she says, but now that I think about it, about
Speaker 4: a month ago, Tracy told me that a man walked
Speaker 4: into the bar looked around, realizes it was a gay bar,
Speaker 4: and then spat on the floor and left. And there's
Speaker 4: no cameras in the bar, but there is dot cameras
Speaker 4: at the intersection by the bar. So Releisi walk into
Speaker 4: the flower shop together as Masud is selling a bouquet
Speaker 4: to someone, and when he sees them, he puts the
Speaker 4: scissors like into ante. He's like holding, you know, pruning
Speaker 4: shears for flowers. But when he sees these two cops,
Speaker 4: he like snatches it up in his hand like an
Speaker 4: attack position. Christy goes, whatever you think, and that's a
Speaker 4: bad idea, and he hangs up the scissors. He puts
Speaker 4: his hands up. They cuff him and arrest him for rape,
Speaker 4: and he goes, I'm not surprised Nana is accusing me.
Speaker 4: She hates men, don't we all. We're not all just
Speaker 4: like fucking, you know, accusing random people. Robin says, I'm
Speaker 4: not sure about that, but she definitely hates you.
Speaker 1: Dog.
Speaker 4: So outside of court, there's another huge protest going on,
Speaker 4: and Nalla's sitting in a car with Benson and she's
Speaker 4: like everyone in New York either despises me or thinks
Speaker 4: I'm a liar. She's like, stressed out. Her family's going
Speaker 4: to be in court. She could lose her family, she
Speaker 4: could lose her job. She's like, I don't know if
Speaker 4: this is all worth and Benson gives her a classic
Speaker 4: Benson pep talk. You deserve justice, it doesn't matter your mistakes.
Speaker 4: She says, people have lost faith in me. Benson says,
Speaker 4: it's because they don't know you. This is your chance
Speaker 4: to tell them the truth. You can do this and
Speaker 4: I'll be right behind you. They walk into court as
Speaker 4: two sides of protesters both scream you know. Nala is
Speaker 4: on the stand now explaining what happened to her. She said,
Speaker 4: she initially told the police she didn't see who raped her,
Speaker 4: but now she knows it was her ex Masud Parage,
Speaker 4: and the police told me that they went that he
Speaker 4: had found out I was a lesbian. I know he
Speaker 4: assaulted me because he felt I had violated his honor.
Speaker 4: At first, she didn't recognize him as her rapist because
Speaker 4: they hadn't been intimate in years. But how did she
Speaker 4: know it was him? Then she said, the rapist grabbed
Speaker 4: my hair with his right hand and pulled it really,
Speaker 4: really hard as he was assaulting me, and that was
Speaker 4: the same thing Masud used to do when we had sex.
Speaker 4: So now she's like, I now know it was him,
Speaker 4: And now it's the defense's turn. How shitty for that
Speaker 4: to be your signature sex move? Is pain hair pulling?
Speaker 4: Like some people like hair pulling, but not painful. Every
Speaker 4: single time he just pulls my hair and I hate it.
Speaker 4: You know that's not going to be a recipe for success.
Speaker 4: So now it's the defense's turn. And who is the
Speaker 4: attorney but Naomi Ziggler, who is the woman who defended
Speaker 4: one of the attackers in American Dream and Sanctuary, which
Speaker 4: is another episode with Muslim victims that we just did
Speaker 4: a few weeks ago. Same lawyer is back and she asks, Nala,
Speaker 4: did you tell the police about the hair grabbing? And
Speaker 4: she's like, no, I didn't, And she said, well, so
Speaker 4: you didn't remember it until after they told you my
Speaker 4: client was a suspect, And honestly, like, this is the
Speaker 4: kind of thing Barbara would have said, no fucking way,
Speaker 4: find me some more evidence, Like there's no way I
Speaker 4: can put her on the stand with her saying I
Speaker 4: never saw my attacker, but now I know it's my
Speaker 4: attacker because you arrested him and he did this hair
Speaker 4: pulling thing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like it has to be her.
Speaker 4: Her testimony has to be unbiased, and it's completely biased
Speaker 4: by I think the police and all this stuff. So
Speaker 4: I would think Barbara would not have even put her
Speaker 4: on the stand with this or gone forward with this
Speaker 4: case unless they found more evidence. But you know, Stone
Speaker 4: does his own thing. So the lawyer is interrupted, so.
Speaker 1: Not like thinking like, oh, yes, this reminds me of
Speaker 1: my husband, like right, being like raped on the floor.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like sure, so they put it all together, but it's
Speaker 4: not enough evidence I think for them to like put
Speaker 4: her on the stand.
Speaker 2: You know, I just feel like they wouldn't have.
Speaker 4: But I know it's a TV show. So the lawyer
Speaker 4: is interrupting Naala and going, but at first you thought
Speaker 4: your rapist was a boy in a maga hat, right,
Speaker 4: She goes, well, my aide said there was a witness,
Speaker 4: And she's like, and then you told them it was it.
Speaker 2: Was these two Jewish boys.
Speaker 4: She's like, yes, but I recanted that, and she goes, yeah,
Speaker 4: the two Jewish boys that you had baited into a
Speaker 4: confrontation earlier that day, and she says I should not
Speaker 4: have done that, And then the lawyer says the confrontation
Speaker 4: was a hoax. Isn't it true the police also thought
Speaker 4: the rape was a hoax, and you lied to police
Speaker 4: several times, and you lied about being gay. Isn't this
Speaker 4: all a hopes to gain sympathy and raise your political profile.
Speaker 4: Stone objects. Judge Karen Blake sustains, we all know that's
Speaker 4: Aby Brabson, sv regular judge and the wife of the
Speaker 4: late Great Andre Brower, and Nala says she thought. Nala
Speaker 4: pipes in and goes, I thought I had to hide
Speaker 4: that part of my life. I was afraid and Ziggler
Speaker 4: cuts her off with this bitchy nothing further, but Nala
Speaker 4: keeps going. She goes, I'm risking it all to be here,
Speaker 4: my career, my family, everything, But I'm not afraid anymore.
Speaker 4: So you know the jury that could resonate with the jury.
Speaker 4: Her parents are in the gallery, like you know, and
Speaker 4: Masad is on the stand now saying I wasn't stalking her.
Speaker 2: I was worried about her. I was just checking on her.
Speaker 4: And then they're like, but you were at the synagogue
Speaker 4: that night, and he goes, I wasn't white people in
Speaker 4: that neighborhood think all buzzled people look alike. I'm used
Speaker 4: to it by now. And then he's like, I wish
Speaker 4: I had followed her. I could have saved her. And
Speaker 4: he says he knew. He did know she was a lesbian,
Speaker 4: which was ful at first, but he loves her and
Speaker 4: he would never hurt her. And Stone's like, oh, so
Speaker 4: you love her, you were protecting her. Did you ask
Speaker 4: her if she needed protection? He's like no, and she's
Speaker 4: like and Stone's like, so she had no choice. So
Speaker 4: that sounds like a lot more like stalking than love.
Speaker 4: And then what about when you spit on the ground
Speaker 4: of your ex wife's lover's bar? Was that concern as well?
Speaker 4: And he's like, no, that was wrong. And then they're like, well,
Speaker 4: were you angry jealous? And he goes, you don't understand
Speaker 4: she's my wife, and he goes your ex wife and
Speaker 4: the music ramps up, so you know Stone's going in
Speaker 4: for the kill. He's like, you brought to Sharia law, right,
Speaker 4: and he's like yes, and he says, well, Sharia law
Speaker 4: doesn't recognize divorce under the American legal system. That must
Speaker 4: have been hard for you to accept as a conservative Muslim.
Speaker 4: He's like, doesn't really say anything, and she's like, you're
Speaker 4: not like Nala, who takes off her hit job whenever
Speaker 4: she feels like it and sleeps with random women.
Speaker 2: Okay, rude, she has a steady girlfriend.
Speaker 4: Oh sorry. This is when he says, you follow Sharia law.
Speaker 4: He says yes, and he's like, and doesn't Triola say
Speaker 4: that homsrual as a moral and he quotes Trila quote,
Speaker 4: if any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take
Speaker 4: the evidence of for reliable witnesses from amongst them, and
Speaker 4: if they testify, confine them to houses until and then
Speaker 4: Stone goes until what until what? Like pushing him and
Speaker 4: he's demanding an answer from Mussad, who is looking sweatier
Speaker 4: by the second at his lawyer objects, and Stone keeps pushing,
Speaker 4: and he finally goes until death do claim them?
Speaker 2: And then I should have killed her, he said.
Speaker 4: But uh, Stone goes, so yeah, instead of just assaulting
Speaker 4: and raping her, why didn't you kill her? And he
Speaker 4: says because she is my wife, and everyone is like
Speaker 4: just staring in silence, like Stone grins and goes nothing further,
Speaker 4: and at closing arguments Ziggler is doing. They're actually I
Speaker 4: would say that they don't really give all the defense
Speaker 4: attorneys a chance to have a nice closing argument, Like
Speaker 4: they'll give Barba the opportunity, you know, the prosecutors, but
Speaker 4: not all of the defense attorneys get that. And they
Speaker 4: give Ziggler this big, you know, monologue where she's like,
Speaker 4: you know, if you wear a red baseball cap, civilized
Speaker 4: society thinks you're a racist, a bigot of the worst order.
Speaker 2: It's so different you are.
Speaker 4: At this point. Yeah, at this point, like, nobody's wearing
Speaker 4: a red baseball hat if they're fully anti MAGA because
Speaker 4: they know they'll be mistaken for Maga. Even the ones
Speaker 4: that are like make Kanye normal again or whatever, the
Speaker 4: ones that are like parodies, stop wearing those. Like nobody
Speaker 4: should be wearing those either, because those are so far
Speaker 4: away making people think that you're MAGA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll get into it when we get into
Speaker 1: the crime. But it's this thing of like you can't
Speaker 1: judge me for my beliefs. It's like, I absolutely can.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about. Yeah, if you are, if
Speaker 1: you are supporting someone that is a fucking felon that
Speaker 1: steals from charities that has fake colleges, that has been
Speaker 1: found like guilty in civil court of rape.
Speaker 2: Like I don't what do you talk to you? Then?
Speaker 1: Are yes, I can judge you like this idea of
Speaker 1: actually not to bring up Savrus's podcast again, I'm like
Speaker 1: the number one the number one advertising, but Ian was
Speaker 1: on it. They were talking about just like right wing
Speaker 1: comics and like the man those types of you know,
Speaker 1: the Austin scene and he goes, what is freedom of speech?
Speaker 1: Like I don't want you arrested? I just think you suck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't think you suck and you bombed like that.
Speaker 1: You can't be free of judgment, Like.
Speaker 2: That's what freedom of speech is.
Speaker 4: Freedom of speech is free of like legal persecution, not
Speaker 4: that you can that's you can't just say whatever you
Speaker 4: want and go, I'm gonna keep my job at a
Speaker 4: nonprofit like you know, you can't, like they're gonna fire you.
Speaker 2: Yah.
Speaker 1: In terms of comedy, it's like say whatever you want,
Speaker 1: but I'm allowed to say you suck, You're not fine,
Speaker 1: and I don't think you should have a career, Like.
Speaker 4: Well, that's what do you always say about the whole
Speaker 4: You can't say anything anymore? Crowd, but I just don't
Speaker 4: say anything going. I mean, I don't want you arrested, right,
Speaker 4: you don't get jail time, but you don't get my
Speaker 4: money anymore.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't get like my attention.
Speaker 4: Okay, So anyway back to this monologue, She's like, if
Speaker 4: you wear a red baseball hab, civilized society thinks you're
Speaker 4: a racist, a biggot of the worst. If a teen
Speaker 4: runs out of a synagogue, we assume they're reliving the
Speaker 4: bliss of crystal knocked. I mean, that's like a wild
Speaker 4: phrase to put into a monologue. If a Muslim woman
Speaker 4: is attacked, we have to believe the attacker is in
Speaker 4: an islamophobe. But in this case, the teen was running
Speaker 4: because he was scared. The brutal attacker was not Jewish.
Speaker 4: How do you know that? If you think your client
Speaker 4: isn't guilty, then you don't know who the attacker is.
Speaker 2: But all he could be a Jew.
Speaker 1: Those boys should have called the authorities like yeah, fine,
Speaker 1: you didn't do it, but you saw a bloody attacked
Speaker 1: woman on the floor of a synagogue and ran away
Speaker 1: and said nothing, right, right, that's not great behavior totally.
Speaker 4: So whatever she says, if you are Russian. So basically,
Speaker 4: her whole closing argument is assumptions. It don't make assumptions
Speaker 4: about people. If you're rushing to assume that, which is
Speaker 4: you know, obviously the name of the episode.
Speaker 1: If you're rushing, you're gonna say that she said something
Speaker 1: about Russians.
Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, Russians made the monologue.
Speaker 4: She goes, if you're rushing to assume that she was
Speaker 4: attacked by her former husband because it was mandated by
Speaker 4: some medieval Koranic code, then shame on you. And then
Speaker 4: Stone gets up and says, yeah, so what she just
Speaker 4: brought up aren't assumptions, their hate filled stereotypes. We know
Speaker 4: this woman as a lesbian, We know her ex husband
Speaker 4: knew that. We know his religion tells him homosexuality is
Speaker 4: punishable by death. We know he was there, even though
Speaker 4: he denies that, and we know she's she has id'ed
Speaker 4: him as her rapist.
Speaker 2: Those are the facts that we know. What do we like?
Speaker 4: What do we do now with those facts? We look
Speaker 4: at the facts and we assumed he raped her. That's okay,
Speaker 4: that's how our system works. That's the way our system works.
Speaker 4: I mean, I thought it was supposed to be like
Speaker 4: beyond a reasonable doubt, like but yeah, now we're at
Speaker 4: deliberation and he's found guilty.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Ziegler.
Speaker 4: Benson is slow nodding to Nala, who looks back at
Speaker 4: her parents and they look like they don't know what
Speaker 4: to say. But outside the courtroom, Nala thanks Benson and Stone.
Speaker 4: She's wondering if she has the strength to come back
Speaker 4: from all this, and then her parents come out and
Speaker 4: she excuses herself.
Speaker 2: She approaches her.
Speaker 4: Parents and her mom says, I love you in Arabic.
Speaker 4: We're still proud of you, she says, and you are wrong.
Speaker 4: You haven't lost your family's love. And they all hug
Speaker 4: because that could have gone a couple of different ways,
Speaker 4: like there are there have been people who have said bye,
Speaker 4: like you know, we're not gonna.
Speaker 2: We've had some honor at killing episodes.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, or like even the night episode where they're
Speaker 4: Bosnian Muslims and he's like basically ready to beat the
Speaker 4: fuck up out of anyone who even talks about his
Speaker 4: sister getting attack, but so they all hug. It's a
Speaker 4: tender family moment, and then it is quickly interrupted when
Speaker 4: ding the elevator opens and some psychotic man comes out
Speaker 4: and starts throwing shit at Nala's, calling her a disgrace,
Speaker 4: and you know, he's obviously a practicer of Sharia law,
Speaker 4: it seems, because he's willing to throw rocks at a
Speaker 4: woman he doesn't know personally, and they pull him away,
Speaker 4: but her head is bleeding a little bit, so he
Speaker 4: got her. And then that's kind of the wrap up
Speaker 4: of this story. But the posts script of the episode
Speaker 4: is at an Italian restaurant, Benson's eating with Noah and
Speaker 4: she's roasting his basic bitch ass for always ordering spaghetti.
Speaker 2: And he's like, but should I get something different? She's like,
Speaker 2: it's fine, you like what you like.
Speaker 4: Then the music is kind of spooky and Noah clock's
Speaker 4: Rob Miller standing in the doorway of the restaurant. This
Speaker 4: is bosh, this is powerful lawyer. Why is he in
Speaker 4: this little restaurant that she's eating at with her son?
Speaker 4: And he's like, Mom, there's a man, Why why is
Speaker 4: he there? And why is he not on our podcast?
Speaker 4: I'm sending Titus what the fuck? I'm sending him an
Speaker 4: email today. So because the girl that the girl that
Speaker 4: connected me to him said he's really hard to organize
Speaker 4: over email, send him another email, and I'll nudge him again.
Speaker 4: So I'm going to email him personally and see if
Speaker 4: anything happens, we'll see. So she looks around, but by
Speaker 4: then someone's moved out of the way, so she doesn't
Speaker 4: know who it is. And then in the next split second,
Speaker 4: he's approaching the table and he's like, Lieutenant Benson, nice
Speaker 4: to see you, and she's like, what are you doing here?
Speaker 2: Like she looks upset, and he.
Speaker 1: Goes, probably like, how are you affording this restaurant in
Speaker 1: your civil servants salary?
Speaker 2: Confusing?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he goes, this must be your son, Noah.
Speaker 4: Why do you know her son's name? You freaking creep?
Speaker 2: And Noah is like, are you a friend of my mom's?
Speaker 2: And he goes, I am a good friend.
Speaker 4: It's like this is very menacing, right, and he goes,
Speaker 4: I'm Rob, nice to meet you and shakes his hand
Speaker 4: and Benson looks so uncomfortable. And that's dick Wolf baby,
Speaker 4: And you know, we haven't done these episodes yet Blackout,
Speaker 4: and then there's another episode that ends with him. There's
Speaker 4: two episodes that he's featured in and we're gonna do them.
Speaker 4: And he's he's scary. He's like one of these scary,
Speaker 4: powerful guys, you know, Like so that's that's that on
Speaker 4: that episode. Yeah, well butmmer yeah all right, as I'm
Speaker 4: sure the crime is about to be as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this is.
Speaker 1: Based on like three different things, one of which I
Speaker 1: feel like everyone knows and is waiting. In this image
Speaker 1: from It's a Conferent at the Lincoln Memorial from January
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, it's like the Native American man and then
Speaker 1: the white young boy with the red hat on.
Speaker 2: So I see this boy's face in my head right now,
Speaker 2: and I want to crush his face.
Speaker 1: I know, because perception is so funny because just so
Speaker 1: many people it's like, oh, because he keeps me like
Speaker 1: the whole time, and so much of his stuff is
Speaker 1: like I was smiling, so people knew that I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna give in and be angry, and I was smiling
Speaker 1: to feel welcoming. And it's like, no, you look evil,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, you are evil, smug as you are smug.
Speaker 1: And this idea of like what looks like a good
Speaker 1: guy to certain communities or people is like the face
Speaker 1: of true like evil, discomfort and unsafety. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and him just acting like we're actually just
Speaker 1: good boys, and I was smiling.
Speaker 2: And it's like, no, your eyes are not, like what
Speaker 2: are you? You think we're fucking stupid.
Speaker 1: Like it's like when someone doesn't want to raise their voice,
Speaker 1: so they think that doing something like better, but it's
Speaker 1: it's I called it like the I'm not touching your face.
Speaker 2: It's like okay, but like you are being annoying, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So yeah, I wrote smug evil and knowing he's gonna
Speaker 1: get away with it, and just like being a young Trumper,
Speaker 1: it's like so sad and weird being and.
Speaker 2: Like teens, like they're on a school trip right, like yeah.
Speaker 1: So this was also the Indigenous People's March, so it's
Speaker 1: also this thing of like, oh, we were just there,
Speaker 1: and it's like you showing up to an event for
Speaker 1: brown people in the red hat is an act of
Speaker 1: something and you're pretending it's not.
Speaker 2: It's like why are you there? Why were they there?
Speaker 2: These were students there.
Speaker 1: They were there for the anti choice march, like that
Speaker 1: was happening later that week, so they were here to
Speaker 1: do this like what they call pro life, but like
Speaker 1: this anti abortion thing and they decided to go crash
Speaker 1: the Indigenous people's march, which is wild and this man
Speaker 1: is like an elder with the Ome tribe, and he
Speaker 1: said that all he saw was unbridled hate with these people.
Speaker 1: And if you look at the photos, even the people
Speaker 1: behind the red hat, it's like they're gross people. So
Speaker 1: the boy's name is Nick Sandman, and he's a student
Speaker 1: at the Covington Catholic School from Kentucky. And this is
Speaker 1: the quote CNN quoted him going, I did smile at
Speaker 1: one point because I wanted him to know that I
Speaker 1: was not going to become angry. And it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: he goes, I'm a faithful Christian and practicing Catholic, and
Speaker 1: I always try to live up to the ideals. My
Speaker 1: faith teaches me to remain respectful to others and to
Speaker 1: take no action that would lead to conflict or violence.
Speaker 1: And it's like they can't possibly be believing what they're saying,
Speaker 1: Like the crusades, the witch burnings, what are you talking about? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like your religion is based on fucking murdering I know
Speaker 1: anyone that's not, Like you vote for the party that's
Speaker 1: pro death penalty. It's like I just like don't understand,
Speaker 1: like so weird.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So, and he's like, I just want to caution people
Speaker 1: about rushing to judgment. But like the hat, you show
Speaker 1: what you stand for. I don't see a white guy
Speaker 1: and go that's an evil man. Right, Well I do,
Speaker 1: of course, but I'm just saying, but like you putting
Speaker 1: the hat on, it's like, yeah, it means something, and
Speaker 1: we could take meaning away, but it is what it is.
Speaker 2: So yeah.
Speaker 1: Kaya Titiano is a student from the University of the
Speaker 1: District of Columbia and she was there and she's quoted
Speaker 1: in CNN saying I did not feel safe in that circle.
Speaker 1: And she said that she heard teens chanting build the
Speaker 1: Wall and Trump twenty twenty and like build the wall
Speaker 1: to Native Americans.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: So Nathan Phillips, it was playing the drums. He's like
Speaker 1: the elder of like from Omaha of the Oma tribe.
Speaker 1: So Nathan Phillips is playing drums and he said he
Speaker 1: was doing like this heel like this prayer for peace
Speaker 1: on the drum because basically, and the boy wouldn't get
Speaker 1: out of the way, Like the boy wouldn't leave or
Speaker 1: get out of the way or make room for him,
Speaker 1: but he did it. Because what ended up it's kind
Speaker 1: of like this where there was like a short clip
Speaker 1: that came out and then everyone made their pieces and
Speaker 1: journalists stuff and whatever, and then a longer video came out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like in this episode, right, yeah, and we're contact.
Speaker 1: So basically, there was a group of black Hebrew Israelites
Speaker 1: and the Trump Catholics and they were arguing with each other.
Speaker 1: So there was like commotion with them, and then he
Speaker 1: came over with this peace drum. Okay, and I hope
Speaker 1: I'm not using offensive language, but like that is what happened.
Speaker 2: So then.
Speaker 1: They called the students incent babies and school shooters. That's funny,
Speaker 1: that's those are funny insults to me, Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: and they they used the UN word, so I don't know,
Speaker 1: like yeah, and then the student was saying they just
Speaker 1: surrounded him and they were mocking him, in mocking the chant.
Speaker 1: And then of course Phillips, you know, served in the
Speaker 1: US Marine Corps and it's like so like to say,
Speaker 1: build the wall and get out of our country is
Speaker 1: like so crazy. The Catholic anti abortion guy ended up
Speaker 1: suing the Washington Post, if you remember, for two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars, and the parents, being super Catholic,
Speaker 1: asked the Kentucky Federal District Court to help them quote
Speaker 1: teach the Post a lesson. It will never forget. These
Speaker 1: are really litigious people. The judge at first dismissed the lawsuit. However,
Speaker 1: so many settlements, Oh my god. So the Washington Post
Speaker 1: settled out of court with the parents for an undisclosed
Speaker 1: him out, and then another like the judge reinstated three
Speaker 1: out of the thirty three statements were allowed back in
Speaker 1: for the case. And then CNN also settled with the family,
Speaker 1: so they sued them too, and they filed a suit
Speaker 1: for two hundred and seventy five million dollars against CNN,
Speaker 1: and again no details of like how much money, what
Speaker 1: a villain, what a villain?
Speaker 2: Origin story?
Speaker 1: And then the boy keeps saying he was not disrespectful,
Speaker 1: but again, wearing a hat that to an event for
Speaker 1: brown people is disrespectful. But what the video proved too
Speaker 1: is like the boys didn't approach Phillips. Philip approached them,
Speaker 1: but they wouldn't get out of the way. And it's
Speaker 1: like journalists should there is there should just be a
Speaker 1: high standard for journalism, you know, and we talked about
Speaker 1: this recently in another case. But he also is a miner,
Speaker 1: so like he's sixteen posting things that might not be real.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, but they also suit NBC
Speaker 1: News And then twelve other individuals for defamatory statements, including
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren, other senators, celebrities, anybody that had an audience
Speaker 1: that lied, and libel miners they've never met. And it's like,
Speaker 1: I wonder if these parents have the same care for
Speaker 1: like the teenagers who are murdered by police all the time,
Speaker 1: as being children and for their innocence and safety, and
Speaker 1: like how they the way the media picks photographs of
Speaker 1: these children to portray them a certain way, Like I
Speaker 1: wonder if they have that much love and empathy for
Speaker 1: those children. But like oh oh, his or son libeling miners. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so then eight more Catholic school students started suing
Speaker 1: as well. The New York Times got sued, Sean King
Speaker 1: got sued. Everyone's being sued. But yeah, so like before
Speaker 1: more context came out, people started making opinions. But it's like, yes,
Speaker 1: because your hat means something, so like you wanting there
Speaker 1: needs to be good faith and just young boy. It's
Speaker 1: just like it's not but I can't imagine how much
Speaker 1: money they made. The President tweeted in support of these people,
Speaker 1: and they compare judging people that are Trumpers to be
Speaker 1: like McCarthyism, and it's like they don't have caught.
Speaker 2: They are so stupid.
Speaker 1: Also, that kid will probably run for office. Mat Oh,
Speaker 1: it's where oh, don't worry, don't worry. So well, he's
Speaker 1: not old enough yet, but yeah, hold on. So then
Speaker 1: and then they're like the Post was trying to further
Speaker 1: their political agenda. It's like it's not even a real
Speaker 1: paper anymore. Yeah, it's like, no, what are you talking about.
Speaker 1: It's a bought paper by the upper class, like and so.
Speaker 1: And of course that year he was a speaker at
Speaker 1: the RNC. Other speakers included Mark and Patricia McCloskey. They're
Speaker 1: the Saint Louis couple who stood outside their homes with
Speaker 1: guns during the Black Lives Matter march. So it was
Speaker 1: like a virtual RNC. And then there was an article
Speaker 1: behind a paywall for Cincinnati dot Com. I didn't pay
Speaker 1: for it, but it said that in quotes that like
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk was a lifeline to him, and he loved
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk and he recently, according to w LWT five
Speaker 1: NBC Kentucky slash Cincinnati affiliate, they're like very close. March
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, he took the stage during a Trump
Speaker 1: event in hebron, Kentucky.
Speaker 4: So he is speaking at Trump ra celebrity local Kentucky celebrity.
Speaker 4: This fucking punch probably made millions of dollars. And I
Speaker 4: guess I'll say allegedly to everything, I don't know whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But then it's also like opinions or not, And
Speaker 1: it's like if I think you're a racist loser, like
Speaker 1: how is that?
Speaker 2: Like why can't that opinion be real?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But I guess so, Like what the basis of a
Speaker 1: lot of the suit was was like, well, you said
Speaker 1: he approached them, but he approached them, And it's like,
Speaker 1: you're your parents are a loser, You're a loser. Whoever
Speaker 1: you impregnate, it's a loser. Like you're all fucking losers,
Speaker 1: Like I just I don't know pay taxes.
Speaker 4: And that's the thing.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 4: Honestly, the kid had not had that smirk on his face,
Speaker 4: that would this would be a story. We would never
Speaker 4: have heard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like we know who this is. Like that's
Speaker 2: why this idea.
Speaker 1: Like when I've hated and argued with all these guys
Speaker 1: for decades in comedy and people are like, what do
Speaker 1: you mean he's such a nice guy, It's like, well,
Speaker 1: you're an idiot, Like like there's face, Like there's that.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe I've looked that smug in a photo. Who knows,
Speaker 1: But it's like I know exactly who that kid is
Speaker 1: and the lawsuits prove it. And now he's speaking at
Speaker 1: Trump rallies, So like, yeah, like I don't I just
Speaker 1: don't know why you're not allowed to be judged for
Speaker 1: the obvious beliefs and actions you have.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the next case is Shama Alawadi and Shama was
Speaker 1: threaty two at the time, and she was beaten to
Speaker 1: death in her home in al kajonekajoone, it's Alcoholne near
Speaker 1: San Diego after moving there from Michigan. Michigan has some
Speaker 1: of America's largest Iraqi communities, and so like, you know,
Speaker 1: moving to San Diego is obviously kind of different. And
Speaker 1: at first this case was treated like a hate crime,
Speaker 1: but it was her husband who murdered her. She was
Speaker 1: an Iraqi woman and her and her husband, Cassim Alhamidi,
Speaker 1: who is forty eight and then charged with first degree murder.
Speaker 1: The two moved to the US from Saudi Arabia nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five after fleeing Iraq during the First Gulf War.
Speaker 2: It's just crazy to flee a war zone and then
Speaker 2: come here and get murdered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that also like that the Bush family, Like
Speaker 1: these motherfuckers have just been like demolishing and destabilizing the
Speaker 1: Middle East for decades. Our brand is Crisis, that movie
Speaker 1: that I love. Yeah, Rosebud's grandfather. It's like crazy that
Speaker 1: like a couple of these guys, Like it's like the
Speaker 1: same guys. It's like the same guys. Yeah, because James
Speaker 1: Baker's been there the whole time. Like it's so crazy.
Speaker 1: So the Alcohol and Police chief Jim Redman said, after
Speaker 1: months of hard work, we determined that this homicide was
Speaker 1: a result was a result of domestic violence, and that's
Speaker 1: according to the NBC News, she was found bloody and
Speaker 1: unconscious with multiple skull fractures in the family home March
Speaker 1: twenty first, twenty twelve, at least six blows to the
Speaker 1: head with a weapon that they found to be like
Speaker 1: similar to a tire iron. She died in the hospital
Speaker 1: three days later. One of their kids' seventeen year old
Speaker 1: daughter was in her bedroom when the attack took place,
Speaker 1: and she found her mother and she's the one who
Speaker 1: called nine one one. It's she and she was a
Speaker 1: mother of five children. It was a big family. There
Speaker 1: was a note found next to the body telling the
Speaker 1: family to go back to where they came from, and
Speaker 1: of course like calling them a terrorist. Fatima al Hamidi,
Speaker 1: the daughter, told CNN that an earlier note was left
Speaker 1: with the house this is our country, not your zoo terrorists.
Speaker 1: But the note was dismissed by the mom as like
Speaker 1: a prank and it was not reported, so there's no
Speaker 1: evidence of it. But a note had been found before,
Speaker 1: and then this note was found next to her body,
Speaker 1: but it emerged later through investigation that she was planning
Speaker 1: to divorce her husband and move with her children to
Speaker 1: be with relatives in Texas. So the husband, after she passed,
Speaker 1: went to Iraq and like did a burial and then
Speaker 1: came back two weeks later, and investigators did not have
Speaker 1: any reason to keep him in the country at the time,
Speaker 1: and only when he came back was he seen as
Speaker 1: a person of interest and with and then through those warrants,
Speaker 1: is then how they found the divorce papers in his car.
Speaker 1: So he had the divorce papers but did not fill
Speaker 1: them out. And they also could not determine his whereabouts
Speaker 1: at the time of her death. And then also I
Speaker 1: learned a new word repatriate, repatriot. So the Iraqi government
Speaker 1: like they did the rapid way to like bring her
Speaker 1: back for the bear and like helped finance it and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, if anyone's wondering. But so he was
Speaker 1: arrested and then November ninth, twenty twelve, so about eight
Speaker 1: months after and then during deliberations in court, the jurors
Speaker 1: were reminded of the defendant's timeline and the day of
Speaker 1: the beating. And I'll be honest, I should have maybe
Speaker 1: tried to find the court transcripts, but there's not much
Speaker 1: evidence really, so I wonder what's missing. But like, so
Speaker 1: Seima called her husband at eight o four am and
Speaker 1: then videos show a Burgundy Nissan quest going and leaving
Speaker 1: the home that morning eight fifteen am. The van was
Speaker 1: seen traveling southbound as Alhamidi returns to the house from
Speaker 1: taking the kids to school. At nine forty nine, a
Speaker 1: vehicle matching the description stopped at the curb just north
Speaker 1: of the intersection of Emerald and Skyview, and then thirty
Speaker 1: seconds later a pedestrian can be seen moving from the
Speaker 1: vehicle towards the house and their address was five six
Speaker 1: four sky View. Then at ten ten am, cell phone
Speaker 1: records show someone calls Alhamdie's cell phone, but it goes unanswered,
Speaker 1: and then he's still in his home tower area according
Speaker 1: to the cell tower at ten ten am and then
Speaker 1: eleven eighteen am is when he got this call from
Speaker 1: his daughter after she called nine to one one. There was, however,
Speaker 1: no forensic evidence linking their client to the crime scene,
Speaker 1: said the defense. He pled not guilty, of course, but
Speaker 1: he was found guilty of murder April seventeenth, twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: His eldest son is the only person in the family
Speaker 1: that believes he did not do it. The son, after
Speaker 1: the verdict was red shouted in court, this is bullshit,
Speaker 1: This is fucking bullshit. My dad is innocent. He was
Speaker 1: tried unfairly. Her sister, Marion to San Diego NBC Channel seven,
Speaker 1: said that she can't help, but remember a strange conversation
Speaker 1: she had with her sister just days before the slaying,
Speaker 1: and her sister told her and quote, she did tell
Speaker 1: me that if the police call you and tell you
Speaker 1: your sister has died, Mirian, I want you to know
Speaker 1: it was him that killed me.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: He was sentenced on May fifteenth to twenty six years
Speaker 1: to life in prison with time served for the time
Speaker 1: he was already in prison, and he can file for
Speaker 1: like a parole at twenty six years time serve.
Speaker 4: Damn.
Speaker 2: I mean it just like.
Speaker 4: If there's no other evidence, that's you're like, you know,
Speaker 4: if there's no if there's no evidence that it could
Speaker 4: have been a delivery driver or whatever, like someone else
Speaker 4: on camera or someone else.
Speaker 1: But the note, like the fact that the note was left,
Speaker 1: and like the family knew about the previous note, maybe
Speaker 1: that was used.
Speaker 2: Like I am really curious about the trick he do
Speaker 2: the note though.
Speaker 4: They think he wrote the note to make it look
Speaker 4: like a terrorist, like a like assume not a take attack.
Speaker 2: And hate crime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because initially, like when this happened, every article is
Speaker 1: hate crime, possible hate crime.
Speaker 2: Pubsoutle hate crime, possible hate crime, all of them.
Speaker 1: And then like a lot of articles and think pieces
Speaker 1: about hate crimes and anti Muslim rhetoric and all that.
Speaker 1: I found one piece that was talking about just race
Speaker 1: and crime that included Trayvon Martin within it. So like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, do you know if there's a case
Speaker 1: right now came with Carmelo Anthony and Texas and he
Speaker 1: got like thirty five years, but it was two teens fighting,
Speaker 1: And I need a res more about that case because
Speaker 1: this black team got thirty five years. And I did
Speaker 1: see black people posts like we need to sit on juries,
Speaker 1: so like juris can be fair. But also this kid
Speaker 1: is dead, so like I want to investigate what happened
Speaker 1: and like what was going on with that case. But
Speaker 1: the kid's name is Carmelo Anthony but not related to
Speaker 1: not the basketball players with a basketball?
Speaker 2: Oh got it?
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, sorry, thirty five years in prison he got
Speaker 4: just because he's seventeen, but they charged him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I haven't read any of the pieces.
Speaker 1: I just saw some black people I follow talking about
Speaker 1: the case and then a kid is dead but it
Speaker 1: was a fight, So I just haven't looked at it.
Speaker 1: But without it's everything is so layered. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: do wonder about everything? Yeah, do I think this man
Speaker 1: killed his wife? Absolutely? Do I think that depending on
Speaker 1: the jury or who's involved or biases what happened. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: And then I haven't looked at the young teen case,
Speaker 1: but thirty five years for seventeen year old seems like
Speaker 1: a lot for an at Was it like a fight,
Speaker 1: a fight gone wrong?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's it's a stabbing at a track meet,
Speaker 4: a high school track meet, which is wild. But the
Speaker 4: one kid said I did it as self defense because
Speaker 4: I was under like I was sitting on the bleachers
Speaker 4: and they confronted me and told me to leave, so
Speaker 4: he thought they were.
Speaker 2: Gonna hurt her.
Speaker 1: And then I read one quote from the dad and corporing,
Speaker 1: like you think thirty five years is a lot? Like
Speaker 1: I don't have my son anymore, so it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think you know, there is a dead child,
Speaker 1: so of course something needs to happen, but thirty five
Speaker 1: years is.
Speaker 3: A lot.
Speaker 1: But then but then I think about people like Ed Kemper,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you should have kept him in there forever.
Speaker 1: So it's like and that he got out young, so
Speaker 1: everything is just so And that's where I think race
Speaker 1: comes to play in it, where like Ed Kemper got
Speaker 1: to go in and out of prison.
Speaker 4: I know it's also so where age comes to play,
Speaker 4: because like I do know, seventeen year olds can convey
Speaker 4: horrible crimes, But like, what is it? Are you a
Speaker 4: kid at seventeen or are you not? If you can't
Speaker 4: serve in you can't serve in the military, you can't
Speaker 4: do all these You have no right to vote or
Speaker 4: do anything on your own, but you can go to
Speaker 4: jail with adults. I think this thing has also been
Speaker 4: getting pressed because some January sixer led a protest saying
Speaker 4: protect white America about this murder or whatever, this death
Speaker 4: of this kid, and even the kid, the dead kid's
Speaker 4: dad denounced it.
Speaker 2: But still like it's going to get into the news
Speaker 2: that people are, you know, and it's more than it is.
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, there's like a
Speaker 1: dead child and a child that's going to be in
Speaker 1: prison now for thirty five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he can appeal and another judge in jury will
Speaker 4: be a little bit more like it doesn't it doesn't
Speaker 4: sound like they prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it
Speaker 4: wasn't self defense. He can still go to jail for
Speaker 4: some time for a manslaughter. Yeah thing, I think, but tough.
Speaker 4: There is another case.
Speaker 1: So the next one is Yasmin Sawed and she was
Speaker 1: a college student eighteen at the time, and she alleged
Speaker 1: that three drunken men had hurled anti Muslim insults at
Speaker 1: her in a New York subway. She was from new
Speaker 1: That can't be New Hype Park. I'm sure it's New
Speaker 1: Hype Park, New Hope Park. I don't know, but but
Speaker 1: I'm I feel like Googles, Google's changing these words.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not doing that. I didn't write New Hype Park.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So she was writing the sixth from twenty third
Speaker 1: in Park on December one, twenty sixteen, after leaving a
Speaker 1: school event at Baruch College, and not only did she
Speaker 1: say that they insulted her, but they told her to
Speaker 1: take off her job and pulled like on the strap
Speaker 1: of her bag. She said she heard the harassers mentioned
Speaker 1: the president at the time, but then she was arrested
Speaker 1: for making a false report to the NYPD. She later
Speaker 1: admitted she made up the story to get out of
Speaker 1: a family problem. NBC New York four reported that sources
Speaker 1: said that she had been drinking with friends and made
Speaker 1: up the incident to distract her strict father. The NYPD
Speaker 1: Hate Crimes Task Force had been investigating the case, but
Speaker 1: one week after the lleged incident, she was reported missing
Speaker 1: and was found three days later with a bag of clothing.
Speaker 1: And the charges are filing a fake police report and
Speaker 1: obstructing governmental administration like CNN tried to contact her legal
Speaker 1: aid lawyer, Benjamin West, but they couldn't contact him. And
Speaker 1: also the court documents in the case were sealed because
Speaker 1: she qualified for mandatory youthful offender status, So I'm not
Speaker 1: sure what that is. But Albert Kahn, the director of
Speaker 1: Strategic Litigation at CIAR Care New York, which is the
Speaker 1: Council on American Islamic Relations, they stressed, like the false
Speaker 1: reports and quotes, they do not detract from the numerous
Speaker 1: reports coming from the Muslim community. This one is an
Speaker 1: ancient stand as a barrier to the numerous New Yorkers
Speaker 1: who need to come forward when something like this happens.
Speaker 1: And that's CNN and that is true and real and
Speaker 1: not a real source. But meforum dot org slash Islamist
Speaker 1: Watch said must that she had to go through six
Speaker 1: months of counseling and complete three days of community service.
Speaker 1: They were miss demeanors, so she didn't go to jail.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure her dad fucking sucks. At the end
Speaker 1: of the day she was like, you know, drunk and
Speaker 1: having a good time and was like, fuck, my dad's
Speaker 1: gonna be mad at me.
Speaker 2: It's just like, you know what I mean, like layers
Speaker 2: to it. It's it sucks. It sucks, but I don't know.
Speaker 4: And in this case, it's not like it's not like
Speaker 4: anybody got arrested, right, Like, they didn't arrest a bunch
Speaker 4: of innocent harassers right as the guys. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you shouldn't obviously do false reports, but no, yeah, no.
Speaker 1: False reports were anti false report here, but I'm pro
Speaker 1: wasting police time.
Speaker 4: All right, let's get going because we have a great
Speaker 4: guest today. Our guest today is an actor you may
Speaker 4: know for her roles on TV shows like The Border, Ransom,
Speaker 4: and twenty four. She also currently plays district Attorney Justine
Speaker 4: Turner on General Hospital, but you know her today as
Speaker 4: counselwoman Nala Nassar. Please enjoy our wonderful conversation with nosnine contractor.
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Speaker 6: I'm at my dinner's table. That's my kitchen. Yeah, messy,
Speaker 6: overdone kitchen. It's like one big room this thing.
Speaker 4: So I know your kitchen was giving me la. But
Speaker 4: I was like, I know that you sort of you
Speaker 4: grew up in Canada, right.
Speaker 5: I grew up all over the place, but I definitely
Speaker 5: did the majority of my schooling in Canada, in Toronto.
Speaker 4: And then you've done a bunch of like Canadian TV
Speaker 4: shows and stuff right now, John, But I started my
Speaker 4: career there, Okay, Lettervy.
Speaker 5: I mean I think I truly became Canadian when I
Speaker 5: did that show. And I got street Crow when I
Speaker 5: did that show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I was not familiar with it until
Speaker 1: he did Rivalry and then obviously have become obsessed with
Speaker 1: Jacob Teary, who directed all.
Speaker 6: The episodes of Letter Can YEAHV mine every single episode?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and like now look at him.
Speaker 6: How amazing.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: I can't wait they start filming season two in August.
Speaker 1: I just don't want any paparazzi rooting anything for me.
Speaker 1: I'm like annoyed that people will.
Speaker 6: Know the girl Nadine made the friend.
Speaker 5: Yes, you was a writer on a show that I
Speaker 5: was on and then has come since and like stayed
Speaker 5: at my place a few times with my family, and
Speaker 5: she was here in LA when her episode air and
Speaker 5: she kind of went like viral and exploded and she
Speaker 5: was like, it has me. And I was away at
Speaker 5: the time and I came back and she's like, I
Speaker 5: think I understand that I've had a viral moment and
Speaker 5: I'm like, really, what does that mean. She's like, I
Speaker 5: mean literally, this episode aired and like all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: there's all of this interaction online for me, and it's
Speaker 5: like one show has changed the trajectory of so many
Speaker 5: people's careers who all had great careers to begin with,
Speaker 5: you know, like totally deserved.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's kind of Canada.
Speaker 1: You all know each other because I went to follow
Speaker 1: Nadine and she was already following me, and then she
Speaker 1: knows Kathleen Monroe's.
Speaker 2: Been on our pot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all of you Toronto very Yeah, it seems like
Speaker 1: you all know each other and support each other.
Speaker 6: It's small other it's small.
Speaker 5: I mean, like I feel like, especially if you're from
Speaker 5: the east Side, like I don't know as many people
Speaker 5: in Vancouver because it's like such a big country as well,
Speaker 5: and I've worked there only a couple of times. But
Speaker 5: if you're from Toronto or Montreal, you we all know
Speaker 5: each we've all worked together.
Speaker 2: And then what was the moment where you're like, I
Speaker 2: got to get out of here.
Speaker 6: There was no moment that I got to get out
Speaker 6: of here. I mean, honestly, the truth is the truth.
Speaker 5: The unfortunate thing is that, you know, the way the
Speaker 5: Union is set up in Canada, it's like, really Canada
Speaker 5: is really if you want to make a living, it's
Speaker 5: like really a producer's landscape. Like in Canada, there are
Speaker 5: no royalties, there are no residuals. I think that, you know, financially,
Speaker 5: there is a ceiling there if you're an actor. And
Speaker 5: I don't know how that's going to change, Like they'd
Speaker 5: have to change the union. I don't think they're going
Speaker 5: to do that. And I my husband, who was then
Speaker 5: my boyfriend, was already down here and I had already
Speaker 5: you know, I was young, but I had already like
Speaker 5: done a few guest stars on a TV show I
Speaker 5: had starred in. We have a Shakespeare rep company there
Speaker 5: called Stratford, and it's like the biggest Shakespeare rep company
Speaker 5: outside of London, England where you do like eight shows
Speaker 5: a week, and I spent two and a half years
Speaker 5: in that company, playing roles.
Speaker 2: On IMDb it said that you got casts from an
Speaker 2: open call. For that is that good?
Speaker 1: Because right now there's some viral videos going about around
Speaker 1: because they're doing like they just did a Spring Awakening
Speaker 1: open call. And so this act that was in the
Speaker 1: eight or whenever the original Spring Awakening, she got cast
Speaker 1: from an open call. So there's like a trend right
Speaker 1: now where all these actors are talking about how they
Speaker 1: were cast from open calls and that's a real thing,
Speaker 1: and it happens.
Speaker 5: And then I went, I went in between my lunch
Speaker 5: shift and dinner shift that I was working God, and
Speaker 5: the director was from England and he came to Toronto
Speaker 5: to hold open call auditions. I didn't even this is
Speaker 5: just a sidebar, but I didn't even have like you
Speaker 5: were supposed to prepare like a comedic and a dramatic,
Speaker 5: and I couldn't even memorize my comedic. And I called
Speaker 5: my agent and I'm like, I'm just not gonna go.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go and make a fool myself, Like I'm
Speaker 5: working so much right now, it was like during tiff
Speaker 5: to the Toronto International Film Festival. So I was like
Speaker 5: working my butt off as a waitress and I'm like,
Speaker 5: I'm not going to go. I can't memorize the second one,
Speaker 5: and she was like, just go, who cares. It's an
Speaker 5: open call, right, So I go and I go in,
Speaker 5: and you know, it's like I look back on it
Speaker 5: then it is so amazing. One of them main like,
Speaker 5: I don't I'm so happy I am the age I am.
Speaker 5: But one of the amazing things about being young is
Speaker 5: like that brazen confidence that at least I had, and
Speaker 5: I guess like also the naivity of not really knowing
Speaker 5: like who I was speaking to or this and that.
Speaker 6: So I come in like completely confident of being like, Hi,
Speaker 6: how are you. I'm Nazanine.
Speaker 5: So I only have one piece prepared because I'm a
Speaker 5: student and I'm working a double and this and that,
Speaker 5: so would you like to see it? And then they're
Speaker 5: like okay, great, So I do it and then they're like, oh,
Speaker 5: we're having callbacks later, Shay.
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh no, I can't. I have to go
Speaker 6: back to the restaurant and what I can't I've come
Speaker 6: on my lunch.
Speaker 5: I have to get back to work tonight, and so
Speaker 5: that director ended up delaying his flight the next day
Speaker 5: back to England to see me the next morning before
Speaker 5: I had to go to work again. But it was
Speaker 5: like that kind of like sexy indifference, I guess, but
Speaker 5: I wasn't trying to project it. I was just like no,
Speaker 5: like I didn't think. And I was like, also, this
Speaker 5: is an audition, Like this is my job, you know,
Speaker 5: like I have to pay for school. I can't like
Speaker 5: they're not good, they don't care. So he worked around
Speaker 5: my waitressing schedule and then I had a callback and
Speaker 5: it was like an hour and a half long and
Speaker 5: it was really intense, and he basically made me do
Speaker 5: all these different things to see what I can do.
Speaker 5: And then at the end of the callback, he's like,
Speaker 5: I want to offer you the lead role in my play.
Speaker 5: And no one's going to believe me that you can
Speaker 5: do it because you've never done professional theater in your life,
Speaker 5: let alone Shakespeare.
Speaker 6: But I think you can do it.
Speaker 5: And it ended up being voted like the best play
Speaker 5: of the year, critically acclaimed, like yeah, it was just changed,
Speaker 5: it changed my lips. I did that what play was
Speaker 5: it it was called so it's actually a lesser known
Speaker 5: Shakespearean play. It's considered one of the problem plays. It's
Speaker 5: called Pericles. We called it the Adventure of Pericles. It's
Speaker 5: only been mounted at Stratford. I think this was its
Speaker 5: second when I did it in the fifty first season.
Speaker 5: It was its second time only ever because it is
Speaker 5: a very difficult play in terms of its plot and
Speaker 5: it kind of takes place all over the world, and
Speaker 5: you know, you have to have a very broad vision.
Speaker 6: And on how to bring it to a stage for
Speaker 6: a contemporary audience. But it was amazing.
Speaker 5: And I met my boyfriend who's now my husband, and
Speaker 5: he was had a series in Canada and a series
Speaker 5: in la and he was like, you should totally come
Speaker 5: down to Los Angeles. He's like, you are, like, you
Speaker 5: are so hot right now, there's no reason. He's like,
Speaker 5: get your papers. And I got my papers really easily
Speaker 5: on my work visa, and he was like, come down.
Speaker 5: And I was really lucky because you know, he was like,
Speaker 5: you can stay with me, and you know he has
Speaker 5: he had friends, and I had like a I had
Speaker 5: a whole system set up thanks to him, obviously, so
Speaker 5: I'm not saying, like I just came down.
Speaker 2: I was on a whim.
Speaker 5: I mean, it wasn't sure if the relationship was going
Speaker 5: to work out, but it was, you know, he sort
Speaker 5: of was like, you should be doing this here.
Speaker 6: There's no reason why you can't do it here. And
Speaker 6: then it's just then I booked twenty four. That was
Speaker 6: my first job here, and.
Speaker 5: It was supposed to be two episodes and ended up
Speaker 5: being twenty one episodes.
Speaker 2: Helly, and that was a hot show and that was such.
Speaker 5: That was one of those like Law and Order, where
Speaker 5: like you're such a fan of the show and then
Speaker 5: you get on the show and you're like every day
Speaker 5: you just have to conceal your own fangirlness, like truly,
Speaker 5: like I.
Speaker 6: And I came late to twenty four, and my husband
Speaker 6: was on twenty four too.
Speaker 5: He was more so Brian. He was Chloe's ex husband
Speaker 5: on the show. He's like the computer genius, but we
Speaker 5: weren't in the same season.
Speaker 2: We're friends with Mary Lynn.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, she's so her of course, because you
Speaker 5: guys are comedians. Yeah, she cracky, me so funny and like,
Speaker 5: I don't know why I went on our Instagram the
Speaker 5: other day and I saw the latest stuff she's been doing,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, she's wild.
Speaker 4: So let's talk about this SVU episode this Obviously we've
Speaker 4: talked a lot about how you've done so much, so
Speaker 4: many different things, and but this probably came when you
Speaker 4: were pretty well established in your career, right this cause is.
Speaker 6: Twenty one, yeah, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I just finished three seasons of this CBS procedural
Speaker 5: called Ransom, and I had just come back from Budapest
Speaker 5: where we shot seasons two and three, and I had
Speaker 5: had my second child on that show. And I really
Speaker 5: have to say, as amazing as that show was, being
Speaker 5: a new mother and my son was also living with
Speaker 5: me in Budapest, going to the British International School, and
Speaker 5: my mom was with me, and I had a nanny
Speaker 5: and my husband was going back and forth, and even
Speaker 5: with all of that amazing support, working eighteen hours a
Speaker 5: day and having a newborn was exhausting. And like all
Speaker 5: of my co stars were going out and having a
Speaker 5: great time, and on the weekends, I would be at
Speaker 5: like some trampoline park with my son and you know,
Speaker 5: pumping and trying to be down with my baby and
Speaker 5: see my mother and it was like and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 5: I really need.
Speaker 6: To do something by myself, I know.
Speaker 5: And this offer came for Sbu and it came literally
Speaker 5: a month after I got back, and normally I'd try
Speaker 5: to take like a couple of months off because it
Speaker 5: had been like three years of this work. I am
Speaker 5: such a huge fan. That's like my favorite SPU out
Speaker 5: of all the loan and orders. I've been literally watching
Speaker 5: it since the moment it came on. It made me
Speaker 5: want to get I still would take a regular job
Speaker 5: on a Dick Wolf procedural to Net Like now, if
Speaker 5: you offered it to me, I think it's just the best.
Speaker 6: I actually like one of those actors who like that
Speaker 6: kind of work. And it came up and I'm like,
Speaker 6: twelve days in New York City, Yes, sign me up
Speaker 6: on a show that I adore in its twentieth season.
Speaker 5: Like it was like a gift from the gods, it
Speaker 5: was like, and they pay so well, you know, it
Speaker 5: was such a lovely, handsome offer.
Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, so happy.
Speaker 4: But it's like such a big role. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: like there's a lot of people that like get offered
Speaker 4: the big sort of guest star role and they don't
Speaker 4: really pop up until like later in the episode, but
Speaker 4: like you're throughout, like.
Speaker 2: This is a really really big part, and it goes
Speaker 2: back and forth. It really keeps the audience getting the
Speaker 2: whole time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I hadn't seen that episode since it aired, and
Speaker 5: even when it aired, I remember I was really sick
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, I think I'm on TV
Speaker 5: and I barely watched it. I saw whatever it was
Speaker 5: an ADR, So I just rewatched it this morning in
Speaker 5: anticipation of talking to you lovely ladies.
Speaker 6: And you're right, I mean so much. I was like, wow,
Speaker 6: I'm not like this quite a lot.
Speaker 4: I was like, you got to be the body on
Speaker 4: the ground, you're wheeled out in a stretcher, you're in
Speaker 4: the hospital, the court room, the lesbian bar, you're doing
Speaker 4: a pre taped confrontation with the teens.
Speaker 5: I mean my I'm doing yeah totally, I'm in the office,
Speaker 5: like you see so many It's such Actually, it was
Speaker 5: such a really well fleshed out character for a forty
Speaker 5: two minute show that has a lot of characters. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and also on my episode, like Titus Wheeliver was in it,
Speaker 5: Peter Gallagher, Richard Kine, like I'm in the trailer with
Speaker 5: Titus and Richard Kine. I'm just like, hey, guys cool,
Speaker 5: I'm min cool, but oh my god, I'm a bosh. Yeah,
Speaker 5: Richard Kine, I love him, Like it was just it
Speaker 5: was such an all star episode. And I love Peter Gallagher.
Speaker 5: We worked together on COVID Affairs. It was so great
Speaker 5: to see.
Speaker 6: Him again and have scenes with him. Philip Winchester and
Speaker 6: I did Chicago p D together.
Speaker 2: We've had him Philip, he's great. Oh he's the best.
Speaker 5: And Philip did a pilot with Carlo Okay season the
Speaker 5: studio watching the World Cup, but uh so he so
Speaker 5: he knew Carlo first and then he met me and
Speaker 5: he was like so so it was so nice that
Speaker 5: we got to work together again too, Like it was
Speaker 5: such a such a perfect you know, He's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: you're right, guest stars, you'd never know what it's going
Speaker 5: to be, you never know how it's gonna end up
Speaker 5: in the edit. You know all of those things, but
Speaker 5: this was such a perfect, lovely role. But you know,
Speaker 5: it was just this amazing, amazing It was such a gift.
Speaker 5: And also I remember I had like I wouldn't work
Speaker 5: full days or I would have like days off.
Speaker 6: So I saw like four plays and then my husband
Speaker 6: came down for one weekend.
Speaker 5: He came down for his birthday weekend, and we saw
Speaker 5: Glinda Jackson du king Lear and we had like like
Speaker 5: thirty six hours in New York together, like just the
Speaker 5: two of us, like as like new parents. Like it
Speaker 5: was like it might have been like three thy six
Speaker 5: hundred hours. Like it was so amazing, you know, like
Speaker 5: it was just such a I was going to like
Speaker 5: hot yoga and like running into like Brooklyn on the bridge,
Speaker 5: and I mean I just.
Speaker 6: Remember being like, wow, this is so restorative. Even though
Speaker 6: it was hard work. It was so nourishing.
Speaker 1: You're right, because it is an intense schedule. But then
Speaker 1: to have these like few days off too, because there
Speaker 1: was this other like other storylines kind of have another.
Speaker 5: Also like as a mother, you know, like you you
Speaker 5: have time off and then it's just you. I mean,
Speaker 5: you can really juice your time. I'd like go and
Speaker 5: go get rush tickets, go see a show, go to dinner,
Speaker 5: do this. I'd all like my restaurants planned out. I
Speaker 5: ate such good food, you know, like I was really
Speaker 5: maximizing my time.
Speaker 1: So watching the episode, what like comes to mind that
Speaker 1: you were like, oh, like any stories or memories outside
Speaker 1: memories come flooding.
Speaker 6: Back, I remember. So yeah, it was great.
Speaker 5: So with Philip So he was really good friends with
Speaker 5: this actor named Sully who was on I think the
Speaker 5: show was on called blind Spot.
Speaker 6: Yeah that it was an NBC show. So the male
Speaker 6: lead of that and.
Speaker 5: Philip had done a show together in South Africa weirdly
Speaker 5: with the same showrunner that I did the show in
Speaker 5: Budapest with Wow, So we all knew Frank Spot.
Speaker 6: It's who was like the show runner of the Xpos.
Speaker 6: We all knew Frank.
Speaker 5: So so when Carlo came for the weekend, Philip was like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, Carlo's here, Like.
Speaker 6: We have to all hang out.
Speaker 5: So we ended up going out with him, and Philip's
Speaker 5: family wasn't there, but we ended up going with Philip, Sully,
Speaker 5: Carlo and I and we were on the patio of
Speaker 5: restoration hardware like that one in Chelsea I think it is,
Speaker 5: or in Soho, I can't remember, and we just had
Speaker 5: the best time.
Speaker 6: And they were filmed so weird.
Speaker 5: They were like filming some kind of like I guess
Speaker 5: commercial for the patio, but they kept having a camera
Speaker 5: and the camera was like kept coming to us and
Speaker 5: our table.
Speaker 2: All the professional actors. I'm sure they were like, let's see.
Speaker 5: If you can get and so exactly, and so like
Speaker 5: we kind of were like why are you pointing the
Speaker 5: camera atus and the end up like comping our entire
Speaker 5: day there and we were there for like six hours,
Speaker 5: like the bill would have been astronomical. So that was
Speaker 5: that was fun, and then we went into his place
Speaker 5: afterwards after we saw King Leir.
Speaker 1: You know, we talked to so many different actors that
Speaker 1: different and they did SVW at like different points in
Speaker 1: their career. But I wonder if it's because you've had
Speaker 1: all this experience that you were able to do this
Speaker 1: big part but then also enjoy your life here, because
Speaker 1: like some people go there right away and they're so
Speaker 1: stressed or like it just feels awesome them that you
Speaker 1: were able to have fun while also doing such.
Speaker 4: A good, very heavy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so so controversial, Like.
Speaker 6: I knew it was controversial at the time, but now
Speaker 6: it was controversial was.
Speaker 4: Twenty nineteen, and like it's only become more. But the
Speaker 4: show is always ahead of its time and that kind
Speaker 4: of stuff. Like the show is always like pointing out
Speaker 4: stuff that's like like they did episodes about Jeffrey Epstein,
Speaker 4: like before that was even a commonplace like rumor that
Speaker 4: was like everybody's you know, but yes, I was like
Speaker 4: what Lisa is saying is like most of the people
Speaker 4: we talked to her like, well, I got the gig
Speaker 4: like the day before and I like flew to New
Speaker 4: York and I was like memorizing, memorizing, So it's like
Speaker 4: you able to memorize this massive part.
Speaker 2: And then still go catch the Yeah, that's easy. I
Speaker 2: do a soap oper Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like the easiest thing in the world is memorizing.
Speaker 6: Making it good is something everybody that.
Speaker 4: We talked to it does the soaps is like they're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: have a walk in talks and all that stuff. Like
Speaker 4: it's yet that it's like, what was that thing on Hacks?
Speaker 5: When did you see that episode where like his mom
Speaker 5: is on the soap and he's like, I need you
Speaker 5: to play blah blah blutch more. She's like, honey, I'm
Speaker 5: on a soap. I did blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. When she's in the Fatty eyar Buckle movie,
Speaker 2: ye movie, that's it. It's such a great it's so true.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 5: No, while I got some advanced notice and I got
Speaker 5: the script and yeah, I and my husband asked me.
Speaker 5: I was watching it this morning while I was working
Speaker 5: out when the elliptical, and you know, my husband kind
Speaker 5: of like saw the iPad and he was like, what
Speaker 5: are you doing. I'm like, well, I'm rewatching my episodes
Speaker 5: when we did this podcast today. And I was like,
Speaker 5: you know, this is like a very controversial character. And
Speaker 5: he's like, would you play that same role today?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: Great question, thank you, thank you, Carlo so and I
Speaker 5: and I thought about it, and I was like, you
Speaker 5: know what, I would because you know, at the very least,
Speaker 5: art should be entertaining, right, and at the very most
Speaker 5: it should be thought provoking. And I think that one
Speaker 5: of the wonderful things about being an actor is you
Speaker 5: can play people that are this is particularly a very topical,
Speaker 5: you know subject, but you know, you play people that
Speaker 5: show different points of view and a different side and
Speaker 5: a different perspective, and and it should encourage discussion and
Speaker 5: incite thought like that's that's that's good writing in my opinion, right,
Speaker 5: And of course, you know, uh, and I never received
Speaker 5: any weird backlash or anything like that when I played
Speaker 5: the role at all or when it came out, I mean,
Speaker 5: not that I'm aware of.
Speaker 6: But now I go online in There's Lifes.
Speaker 5: But but but and I knew what I was doing
Speaker 5: at the time was totally controversial, right, But I also
Speaker 5: was so excited, like this is such a three dimensional character.
Speaker 5: We have, like a woman who found faith later in
Speaker 5: her life, who serves her city and country, who has
Speaker 5: a secret that you know, about her sexuality that completely
Speaker 5: goes against everything she's ever been raised and her faith,
Speaker 5: you know, who was in a very contentious position professionally,
Speaker 5: Like I found it to be such a rich role.
Speaker 5: I didn't even look at the optics of it. I
Speaker 5: looked at this like very multidimensional, layered woman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's.
Speaker 4: Also she's also sort of playing with that thing that
Speaker 4: we were just I think like the fact that she
Speaker 4: was a little bit baiting the media and stuff, you know,
Speaker 4: Like she was like, this is how this works, this
Speaker 4: is how this game works.
Speaker 2: Like being in politics. He's putting on a little bit
Speaker 2: of a show.
Speaker 6: Politicians do now, are you kidding me?
Speaker 4: They all do it.
Speaker 2: They all do it.
Speaker 6: It's like an actressaying, oh, I've never googled myself.
Speaker 4: Like right, and Asians have always done that, but it's
Speaker 4: like this is so specifically in like the TMZ world
Speaker 4: of like confrontations and how are we editing things and
Speaker 4: how are we making things still.
Speaker 2: On social media?
Speaker 4: Amazing.
Speaker 5: It's it's six years old and it's still so relevant,
Speaker 5: and that is like, that is that is the genius
Speaker 5: of Dick Wolf and the people that he employs. And
Speaker 5: you know, I've done a couple of his shows, and
Speaker 5: same with the fashion, Like he's very particular about men's
Speaker 5: suits and the way women dress because he's like, I
Speaker 5: want people to look at this and never think, oh,
Speaker 5: this was twenty nineteen. I wanted to always feel timeless
Speaker 5: and fluid in the way it looks because what I'm
Speaker 5: writing transcends time. It's always going to be top called.
Speaker 5: And he'd explained that to us, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like we can really only time the up, but
Speaker 4: we can really He placed the episodes in time based
Speaker 4: on Olivia's hair, like she has different haircuts, but like
Speaker 4: total kind of the same wardrobe almost the one has hayone.
Speaker 6: Has the same.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And when I did Chicago p D, they were like
Speaker 5: talking about like the look of my character. And they're
Speaker 5: like they went through all these different mastinations, like they
Speaker 5: were so so hair and this and that, and like
Speaker 5: I get whatever, it's a TV show and like network
Speaker 5: exactly is. But like they were like, no, Dick likes
Speaker 5: it up. Yeah, wear your hair up now, that's that's
Speaker 5: that's your thing, and like and I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: this is good, and they were like the hair people
Speaker 5: like this is going to be your look now for
Speaker 5: eighty percent of it.
Speaker 1: You know, we talk about the wardrobe so much and
Speaker 1: like their outerwear, you do. Yeah, I were really obsessed
Speaker 1: because of all the choices, but I never clocked the timelessness.
Speaker 5: No, No, that's the particularly with the men's suits. He's
Speaker 5: very particular, Like Philip put to me about that all
Speaker 5: the time. How like where they break, where the pant
Speaker 5: like breaks against the shoe and like all this kind
Speaker 5: of stuff, Like he doesn't want anything trendy.
Speaker 4: He doesn't want anything like cops are really not going
Speaker 4: to be on trend. I feel not to not to yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, like detectives and lawyers. I mean later when
Speaker 4: Rooula Sparza is on the show, I would say he
Speaker 4: kind of like spruces it up a little bit, but like, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Never that was more his character.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's such a good that's such a good
Speaker 4: insight that I Yeah, I totally never.
Speaker 5: Thought of that, but that's why he does it. So
Speaker 5: they can play forever and no one's ever going to
Speaker 5: feel it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really cool that he was on set for
Speaker 2: so long in Chicago.
Speaker 6: He was on set for Chicago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but but SVU, it was the showrunners last season
Speaker 5: that I was doing. Then a new showrunner came came.
Speaker 1: In, so you probably got Warren light maybe No, it
Speaker 1: was pre war pre Warren coming back because look at
Speaker 1: the time, the.
Speaker 5: Showrunner from Chicago Justice. Yeah, it's it was the showrunner
Speaker 5: from Chicago Justice. Justice got canceled and he came to
Speaker 5: SVU for like a year, and then Warren came back,
Speaker 5: so he was he was around. But other than the
Speaker 5: director had directed a whole bunch of SVUS. But you
Speaker 5: know what, it was amazing because like a lot of
Speaker 5: people defer to Marishka, she's definitely the boss of that
Speaker 5: show and rightfully so she was not wrong. Yeah, like
Speaker 5: you know, but she did it in a really respectful way.
Speaker 5: She wouldn't like overstep. She'd go and tell the director
Speaker 5: something and then the director would kind of repeat it,
Speaker 5: like she'd go through the proper channels. But she has
Speaker 5: given her life to that show and she is amazing
Speaker 5: on it.
Speaker 1: And one of the like important themes throughout sview that
Speaker 1: I not that I like, but there are no perfect victims. No,
Speaker 1: that is something I thought was important in this episode
Speaker 1: as well, like your character was victimized no matter what
Speaker 1: else is going on, and she was hiding things.
Speaker 5: She was hiding things about herself, and it's like, where
Speaker 5: is the line, like if you are hiding things about yourself,
Speaker 5: should you not be believed about everything?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Right, Like that's the thing, right, you know? Oh yes,
Speaker 5: I called the media. I my character called the media.
Speaker 5: Instigated that boy and that protest went head on for
Speaker 5: clickbait to further my agenda.
Speaker 6: Does that mean I an engineered everything else?
Speaker 5: And it's great, it's great to plant that doubt in
Speaker 5: the story, right because the truth is, that's very realistic,
Speaker 5: that's very believable, that would happen today.
Speaker 4: And I really liked also that, like at the end,
Speaker 4: your parents were like, we love you about it because
Speaker 4: we've seen other storylines on su where like people from
Speaker 4: religious backgrounds, even if they're the victim, their parents are like,
Speaker 4: you're a disgrace, goodbye, You're out of our lives. And
Speaker 4: I love that, Like your parents were so supportive of you,
Speaker 4: even though even at the end someone comes and throws
Speaker 4: a freaking rock at you. How was shooting that?
Speaker 2: How did you guys? Chrarera Carlo was like.
Speaker 6: Didn't someone throw a brick at you?
Speaker 4: With you? Like?
Speaker 2: And I was like, why are you?
Speaker 4: I couldn't tell what it was, but it looked like
Speaker 4: it hurt.
Speaker 6: It's a brick, a brick, but it wasn't really, But yeah,
Speaker 6: but I think it was, like, yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: Like an episode you're supposed to like you're supposed to
Speaker 5: like stone the right like in the Quran.
Speaker 2: SOA, yeah, that was uh.
Speaker 6: I mean I thought that that was.
Speaker 5: You know, I like the fact that they showed the
Speaker 5: parents and then that at least there was some balance
Speaker 5: to it.
Speaker 6: But the truth is, you know, I've played I'm not Muslim.
Speaker 5: I've played many Muslims on TV, and anytime I do
Speaker 5: play one, I always try to make a conscientious effort
Speaker 5: of like dealienating this religion and culture to the Western media,
Speaker 5: which is really based on like faith and love and
Speaker 5: devotion and not all of those patriarchal misogynistic things that
Speaker 5: were really imposed by men, not in the religion at all.
Speaker 6: Right, it's like society has done that.
Speaker 5: It's not in the in the Quran like that, even
Speaker 5: though Sharia law was not you know, it's been interpreted
Speaker 5: by a man to be that way. So I always
Speaker 5: try to, you know, kind of break the mold or
Speaker 5: like break that kind of stereotype. When I played these women,
Speaker 5: I thought Nola was such a great example of that
Speaker 5: to a degree. Right, of course, she had to hide
Speaker 5: who she was, but that's true of people many different
Speaker 5: situations and religions, right. But the thing at the end,
Speaker 5: it was for me personally a little bit or sit
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, we have to show that kind of
Speaker 5: like animalistic side. But it was what propelled her husband,
Speaker 5: her ex husband, to raper, so I guess it was
Speaker 5: valid in the story, right, right. But yeah, I love
Speaker 5: any kind of action in TV shows though, so like, yeah,
Speaker 5: throw a rock at me, hit me with a car,
Speaker 5: let me hit someone. I'm fine with the mike artistically,
Speaker 5: I'm fine with it that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have any interest in like directing, writing
Speaker 1: and doing anything like that or not at all. I'm
Speaker 1: someone that would never want to direct ever. But you
Speaker 1: mentioned like Murska directing so thought.
Speaker 5: Out of Yeah, I mean I think that if you're
Speaker 5: on a show for that long, you should definitely be
Speaker 5: producing and directing for sure. For me, I actually just
Speaker 5: started my professional career as a writer a couple of
Speaker 5: years ago. I just sold a script to Hallmark. Oh
Speaker 5: my god, it was really big. Yeah, and now I'm
Speaker 5: in development with possibly another two ideas with them, and yeah,
Speaker 5: maybe three that that's been a really I mean, I'm
Speaker 5: a big rom com fan, like I love I'm not
Speaker 5: like a cinophile, right, I love everything, but I've always
Speaker 5: loved the wrong com and I've always loved the nineties
Speaker 5: rom com and I feel like no one really makes
Speaker 5: them anymore. And now we see them on m Ow's
Speaker 5: like that's what they've become. They don't really like they're
Speaker 5: not really those classic rom coms. Like, yes, we get
Speaker 5: some realm comms now, but they're way more comedic, or
Speaker 5: they're raunchy or this or that, which I love too,
Speaker 5: but those like days of Julia Roberts, Meg Ryan, you know,
Speaker 5: I just They really were a big part of my
Speaker 5: upbringing and really made me fall in love with acting
Speaker 5: and like I just always want to be that girl,
Speaker 5: and you know, I do them in the mows that
Speaker 5: I do. And then I was like, my manager was like,
Speaker 5: well you should just you know. It was of all
Speaker 5: these great ideas, you should just write one. I'm like,
Speaker 5: I can't just write one. What are you talking about
Speaker 5: to write one?
Speaker 1: Like what is this?
Speaker 5: And so it was like, well, just you know, so
Speaker 5: I kind of like came up with a few ideas
Speaker 5: and then we landed on one that really clicked with
Speaker 5: the executive the last Hallmark I did, and she green
Speaker 5: lit it and I wrote it and hopefully they'll make it.
Speaker 6: It's a Bollywood dance rom com because they've never done
Speaker 6: anything like that. Yeah. Yeah, it's like Honey meets like
Speaker 6: shall we Dance? Oh my kind of thing.
Speaker 2: I have a shall We Dance magnet. It's like a
Speaker 2: big deal in my family.
Speaker 1: Because so me, my mom and sister got to go
Speaker 1: to the Oprah Show and it was the shall We Dance?
Speaker 1: Episode and so it was like a big deal in
Speaker 1: our family and our One of our listeners made me
Speaker 1: a little VHS magnet of Shall We Dance?
Speaker 4: Shall We Dance?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Well I love that movie, and like I loved all
Speaker 5: those dance movies and I danced for ten years, so
Speaker 5: you know, I've always like that was such a big
Speaker 5: part of my life. And I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 5: let me do what what kind of unique spin can
Speaker 5: I give to it that they haven't seen yet?
Speaker 1: So I need to see a Bollywood rom common hallmark.
Speaker 1: This needs to happen so fun.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll definitely let you go.
Speaker 1: But your passion, yea so fun job in life is
Speaker 1: really it's been really a fun interview. She was delightful.
Speaker 1: I loved talking to her. What obsessed obsessed? I also
Speaker 1: just love people who can like obvious passion for their job.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to be like a working actually
Speaker 1: it's like hard, but just has fun and likes everyone
Speaker 1: and connections and it's interested and got the elliptical or husband.
Speaker 2: She's making shrimp curry. I'm like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: I can't I can't imagine, yes so much and just
Speaker 1: inspiring open calls like Shakespeare.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm obsessed with her. Yeah, she's still
Speaker 2: like she she said a lot.
Speaker 4: She has a lot of credits.
Speaker 2: Her husband has a lot of credits.
Speaker 4: They work in and they're doing there. If you're a
Speaker 4: gh person, if you're watching General Hospital, get on over there.
Speaker 4: What's the town that Pine Valleys where all my children is?
Speaker 4: What's the town the General Hospitals? And I totally forgot anyway,
Speaker 4: well yeah that and oh my god.
Speaker 1: So Catherine Blamford, there's like a clip of her on
Speaker 1: some podcasts but talking about what she did in the
Speaker 1: summer as like a kid, and so they would watch
Speaker 1: some show I don't know. Then they would watch Blues
Speaker 1: Clues and then they would watch Maury and I just thought,
Speaker 1: it's so funny being a child, cause like that is
Speaker 1: I watched more Arthur, but like to go from Blues
Speaker 1: Clues to Maury to Prices of Right, Price is Right?
Speaker 1: And then she said they would have Spaghettio's for breakfast,
Speaker 1: and just I saw another clip. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: have to like look more into the social scientist. But like,
Speaker 1: and I've been doing this on stage, so I was
Speaker 1: correct this whole time. But like millennials are the last
Speaker 1: generation with a touchstone to the old world and untell it.
Speaker 1: It's like since then everyone's gotten you know, unfortunately less
Speaker 1: smart yeah unless like less education, computers, technology, all of it.
Speaker 1: And it is like we just had such a special
Speaker 1: moment in time and I just feel really grateful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that are we knew how to be bored. We were
Speaker 1: watched these different shows. We would run around outside and
Speaker 1: we weren't over scheduled, but we could do activities like
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just feel luckier and luckier every day.
Speaker 4: I mean I'm like, just yeah, like I didn't get
Speaker 4: a cell phone until I was twenty. I love that
Speaker 4: I didn't have social media, like none of that. I
Speaker 4: love that for until I was way more than.
Speaker 2: That because I'll talk to people at audio. They got
Speaker 2: a phone in fourth grade, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's Port Charles by the way.
Speaker 4: Port Charles is the town from General Hospital, So if
Speaker 4: you want to go to Port Charles and check in
Speaker 4: on nasnine contractor.
Speaker 2: I also loved what.
Speaker 1: She said about her character and the complexities of it
Speaker 1: and how she played it and just it's really cool.
Speaker 2: I mean, the one thing.
Speaker 1: We just liked her so much, so we kept talking
Speaker 1: about her. But I wonder what her favorite SVU episodes
Speaker 1: are and stuff. So she was a fan of the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. We did get to ask her.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: She was just so interesting. It had such like great answers.
Speaker 2: I was kind of enthralled.
Speaker 1: So it is all but this little kid, you know,
Speaker 1: he's gonna cause so many problems in the real world.
Speaker 1: His family's suing everything, winning all this money. You know,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a right wing freak forever, and like
Speaker 1: it just fucking sucks.
Speaker 4: He'll run for office. This is what's gonna happen now.
Speaker 4: Is like if you're like a little shitty teen that
Speaker 4: gets involved in a viral moment, like Kyle Rittenhouse will
Speaker 4: probably run for office.
Speaker 2: This kid will run for office. Sucks, It really does suck.
Speaker 1: But also the media and how it can't be trusted
Speaker 1: even like we know this through all the research we do.
Speaker 1: It's like I could tell his sources real or not,
Speaker 1: how it's like, or like what the point of a
Speaker 1: sources because like for something we did, I was reading
Speaker 1: and it was A and E which and the way
Speaker 1: it's not it's not written as the news, and it
Speaker 1: is strange and all of it's strange and everything is
Speaker 1: twisted and you can't really believe anything anymore. You have
Speaker 1: to double check, which I hardly ever do unless it's
Speaker 1: for our job, and I don't know. It's just like
Speaker 1: this was complex and that they're talking about Israel like
Speaker 1: Palace side and that's whatever Ite says. It's like it's
Speaker 1: not a new issue. It has been around. Veet mentioned
Speaker 1: it back in the day, Like any time I hear
Speaker 1: it now in the past, it's like, fuck, like this
Speaker 1: has been such a background of our lives or forefront,
Speaker 1: depending on who you are and how connected you are.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, and just the timelessness of the wardrobe
Speaker 1: is was such an important thing for me to hear
Speaker 1: because we always talk about the timelessness of the episodes
Speaker 1: and the issues, how they're ahead of time, but also
Speaker 1: like can be relevant today and how that's seen through
Speaker 1: the fucking clothes.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just like obsessed, I think.
Speaker 1: I mean, like we could still be amazed by this
Speaker 1: thing that we talk about NonStop all the time, and
Speaker 1: and you know what, Like I was kind of there's
Speaker 1: always a dread in me before I have to start
Speaker 1: doing research, and like then the moment I start.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm obsessed, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Because I was in bed this morning, like starting to
Speaker 1: research stuff that I was like, wait, this is so
Speaker 1: fucking and then I ran downstairs and sat at the
Speaker 1: coffee shop just energized as fuck. It's just like getting
Speaker 1: started on work is always kind of hard, but it
Speaker 1: is cool to just be invigorated always by the episodes,
Speaker 1: what they talk about and how it's gotten worse.
Speaker 2: We didn't we didn't know that he would get another term. Yeah, yep.
Speaker 4: We thought we were just making TV about a moment
Speaker 4: in time, but then it repeated itself, and just seeing the.
Speaker 1: Red hat in the episode, it fucking fox me up.
Speaker 1: It fucks me up. Yeah, it's like, we'll be out
Speaker 1: of it soon. We'll be out of it soon. We
Speaker 1: have to just keep thinking that time does go by quickly.
Speaker 1: But let's get into our what would Sister Peg do
Speaker 1: this week's you know, our weekly segment where we direct
Speaker 1: you to an organization, a documentary, an article, something sorry
Speaker 1: and article one time I said a article and somebody
Speaker 1: got mad and article anything to give you more info
Speaker 1: about what we talked about in today's episode. And this
Speaker 1: week we wanted to point you to the organization Combatants
Speaker 1: for Peace. It is an egalitarian, binational, grassroots movement committed
Speaker 1: to nonviolent action against the Israeli occupation and all forms
Speaker 1: of violence in Israel and the Palestinian territories. It is
Speaker 1: the only peace group worldwide that was founded and run
Speaker 1: by ex combatants on both sides of an active conflict.
Speaker 1: They just celebrated twenty years since they were founded, so
Speaker 1: this is an organization that's been working for a long time.
Speaker 1: They have a lot of information on their page, ways
Speaker 1: to just learn more, ways to get involved, to don't
Speaker 1: so you can head over to cf piece dot org.
Speaker 4: That's for combatants for piece dot org. It's cfpiece dot
Speaker 4: org and that will be linked in our show notes
Speaker 4: and a story as always goes up to day this
Speaker 4: episode comes out, and then those stories get saved on
Speaker 4: our Instagram page, which is that's messed Up pod in
Speaker 4: our WWSPD highlights.
Speaker 2: Amazing. Thank you for that. And next week we'll be
Speaker 2: doing Swimming with the Sharks.
Speaker 1: Wonder who show ran that one from season twenty one,
Speaker 1: episode fifteen.
Speaker 2: So Love's back, baby Warren Light, see you guys next week.
Speaker 4: Bye bye.
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