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Speaker 1: Amy Roboc and TJ.

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Speaker 2: Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host Alisa Donovan. Hey, everyone,

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Speaker 2: Alisa Donovan here, and this is Killer Thriller Today. We're

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Speaker 2: talking about a true story that is absolutely chilling because

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Speaker 2: it starts in a place where many people naturally feel safe,

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Speaker 2: inside a marriage gas lit by my husband. The Morgan

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Speaker 2: Metzer's Story tells the real life story of Morgan Metz Her,

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Speaker 2: a woman whose husband began abusing her both physically and mentally,

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Speaker 2: and refused to let go even after she left him,

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Speaker 2: faked cancer, threatening messages, psychological warfare, and then in the

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Speaker 2: middle of the night, a masked intruder breaks into her home,

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Speaker 2: beats her, sexually assaults her, and leaves her tied up.

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Speaker 3: Outside the twist. Police would eventually.

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Speaker 2: Discover that the terrified stranger Morgan feared was allegedly her

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Speaker 2: own ex husband.

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Speaker 3: All along, It is a doozy.

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Speaker 2: Jana Kramer stars as Morgan in the film and is

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Speaker 2: also an executive producer on the project.

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Speaker 3: Jana, thank you so much for being here today with me.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, of course, I just love you so

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Speaker 4: thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: I am a very big fan of yours also, And

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Speaker 2: this movie is it's very very very powerful, and it's

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Speaker 2: very very very well done. So I really appreciate you

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Speaker 2: spending this time today to talk about it. So this

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Speaker 2: story is so upsetting for every reason, but especially because

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Speaker 2: it's not just about this one attack in this one event.

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Speaker 3: It's long.

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Speaker 2: It's a long, twisted psychological campaign that this man did

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Speaker 2: to his wife. So what was your first reaction when

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Speaker 2: you read what Morgan's husband allegedly put her through.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I love working with Lifetime, and I

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Speaker 4: started to find my voice in some of the conversations

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Speaker 4: and then telling them the kind of movies that I

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Speaker 4: want to make, the movies that I relate to, that

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Speaker 4: I'm passionate about. And you know, I said, I'm a

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Speaker 4: movies around that and empowering women, helping helping other women

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Speaker 4: find their voice in these situations. And I remember the

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Speaker 4: President saying of Lifetime at the time, she's like, we

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Speaker 4: actually came across a story that is wild and it's

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Speaker 4: very big on gaslighting and not knowing your reality. And

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Speaker 4: she's like, you know, I'm going to send you the script,

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Speaker 4: and I remember reading it just being like seeing the

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Speaker 4: similarities too, and not just within my story, but in

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Speaker 4: all the you know, victims survivor stories that I've heard,

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Speaker 4: you know, just it has that same note of am

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Speaker 4: must deserve this, And it's just kind of you know,

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Speaker 4: reading the script and then you know, speaking to Morgan

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Speaker 4: as well, hearing more of her story, and then just

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Speaker 4: the years of abuse, and that's the piece too. It's like, yes,

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Speaker 4: the physical abuse is terrible and it's awful, but it's

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Speaker 4: the years of the mental abuse that just breaks down

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Speaker 4: you know that woman sometimes men as well, but of

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Speaker 4: just really not knowing your reality and then being kind

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Speaker 4: And it's just wild. I mean, to have your own

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Speaker 4: the rescue like the hero baking cancer. I mean, just

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Speaker 3: It's it's fiercely sick.

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Speaker 2: And that part to the title gas Lit by my

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Speaker 2: Husband obviously refers to all of that, how she questions

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Speaker 4: I mean she they were high school sweethearts, and you

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Speaker 4: know they talked a little bit on that, but you know,

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Speaker 4: I think that's one of the things that's hard is

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Speaker 4: I mean we all can fall into that paturn very easily.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know, it's difficult.

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Speaker 4: That's the moment where you're just and that's you know,

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Speaker 4: so many people are like, oh, he's treating you this way,

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Speaker 4: how come you can't get out? It's like, what, I

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Speaker 2: Maintain some ormalcy for them, the family unit, and yeah,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's a slow burn with men like that,

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Speaker 4: you know. And then that's what just makes the woman

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Speaker 3: Right, So do you speak to her often?

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Speaker 2: Then?

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Speaker 4: And I told the director, I said, hey, I talked

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Speaker 4: I'm really I want to honor Morgan and I want

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Speaker 4: like you would feel in this moment.

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Speaker 4: So that's where it was like, we did one take

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Speaker 4: just text her and I said, Hey, I'm really proud

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Speaker 4: but you're helping people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like, you know, so much of what

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Speaker 2: think it's so courageous for with that both of you

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Speaker 4: and and from there it was. It started with a

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Speaker 2: handcuff this what are they called? Yeah, but what he

436
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 2: makes that, you know, fashions handcuffs out of everyone in

437
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 2: the store is wearing a mask because it's.

438
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 3: COVID except for him. So they have this like.

439
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 2: Very obvious evidence of this man walking into a Low's

440
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: and purchasing the things.

441
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 3: That he will then abuse his wife with.

442
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 4: Like it's just he clearly does those crime shows, because

443
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 4: I mean, don't you know there are cameras everywhere like Amazon,

444
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 4: it bro or something.

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00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god.

446
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: So one other thing that's in the I was don't

447
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 2: asked specifically about.

448
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

449
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 2: So one of the points in the film, they show

450
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 2: how Ronnie spent a lot of time trying to turn

451
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: the kids against Morgan, and then there's a moment when

452
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 2: they really say, no, it's your fault, dad.

453
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Speaker 3: Do you know if that's true? Is that accurate?

454
00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 1: It is accurate?

455
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I think too when kids start to see

456
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 4: they're at that age they were starting to also witness

457
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,719
Speaker 4: like no, no, no, you know, like this isn't this

458
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 4: isn't right, and that it's so dangerous too, and being

459
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 4: in a separated a separation the parents talking to the

460
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 4: kids and trying to manipulate that relationship, even within divorce

461
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 4: stories is awful and it's like one of the worst

462
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 4: way forms of manipulation. And to do it to the

463
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 4: kids is another another level.

464
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 2: It really is. It's heartbreaking. And then you see that's

465
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: how these cycles continue. Then kids view that if they

466
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 2: don't start to understand what's wrong, like it just continues

467
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 2: that abusive idea, or they think, oh, that's how married

468
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: people act. That's that's the sort of uh, you know,

469
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: reflection that I have of what a marriage is.

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00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 3: It's just of a state. Yeah, So what do you

471
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 3: hope that.

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00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: The movie changes about how people think about that specific period,

473
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: like the danger period between after the separation or the divorce, Like,

474
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: what do you hope people understand better?

475
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: It's a good question because I don't.

476
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 4: I don't even think that I did anything to I mean, yeah,

477
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 4: I had a restraining order, But to me, I'm always like,

478
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 4: that's a piece of paper. They can easily, you know,

479
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 4: show up if they're going to show up, you know

480
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 4: what I mean. Like, I still always say get a

481
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 4: restraining order if you feel because some people aren't as

482
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 4: crazy just to do that, you know.

483
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: But I don't know even no.

484
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 4: I mean she she had a gun, she had you know,

485
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 4: she had ways to protect herself. I would probably say

486
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 4: in that situation. But again, you don't think that your

487
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 4: ex husband's going to come and kill you too, you know,

488
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 4: making sure someone's with you on the exchanges of kids days.

489
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just being really aware that these things.

490
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 4: I guess it's this. It's being aware that things like

491
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 4: this can happen. It's not just out of a movie, like, yes,

492
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 4: this is a movie, and it's also real life and

493
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 4: it could happen to you too, if the man is

494
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 4: still if you have to parent with an abuser, and

495
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 4: that is the hardest, that is very hard.

496
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 2: We have a very dear friend who had to do

497
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: that and he took the child's life and then his own.

498
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: So I know very deeply how this can go very wrong.

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00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 4: Well, and this is the piece and I'm so sorry

500
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 4: to hear that. And this is something that I've been

501
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 4: trying to advocate for women, is that they don't really

502
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 4: take into account abuse when it comes to court, and

503
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 4: then they still say that the children should be with

504
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 4: the father even when there's in the clear abuse And

505
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 4: it's I understand the courts wanting their fathers to be

506
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 4: in their lives, but when they are abusive, there needs

507
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 4: to be some sort of another person with the child

508
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 4: at the time. If there is registered and there's actual

509
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 4: proof that they have abused the parent, they're their partner.

510
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 4: Because things like this happen and it's not okay. So

511
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 4: to advocate for I think it's I don't know if

512
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 4: that's called supervision, supervised visits.

513
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 3: I think yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

514
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 4: Because that because there are that awful stories like that,

515
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 4: And that's just where I'm like, why are the courts

516
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 4: not protecting these children because they're not. They can go

517
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 4: after their wife, they can go after someone something that

518
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 4: they love to like their children.

519
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: Yes, right, and that's that's what it is to try

520
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 2: to hurt her further.

521
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm so sorry. That is devastating.

522
00:27:53,640 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am too so to this to that, Like,

523
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: what what do you think was most important for you

524
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: to get right about Morgan to sort of do her.

525
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 3: Justice and the situation? What what was most important for you?

526
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 4: I would say it was to just really show her

527
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 4: her love for her kids, you know, and that she

528
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 4: even with the loss of Kevin and even with you know,

529
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 4: the things that she had to go through. She still

530
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 4: showed compassion and love even towards Rodney. Even post divorce,

531
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 4: she still was like put a smile. She was she

532
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 4: was still resilient, she was still loving. And I think

533
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 4: that's a beautiful thing. When you know, you have children

534
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 4: and you're still trying to make something work and when

535
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 4: someone was so ugly to you right right and just

536
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 4: showing her strength in that.

537
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: There is something incredibly powerful and beautiful about that. And

538
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: you know, it's like taking back the power from that person.

539
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: You know, in forgiveness can really be that. I'm I'm

540
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 2: sort of in awe of that whole idea.

541
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, like letting him sleep on the couch, like we're not,

542
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 4: but you can sleep on my couch, you know if

543
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 4: you need a play, you know, if you like this

544
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 4: is okay and that shows love like someone that can

545
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 4: abuse you and then you go, you can sleep on

546
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 4: my couch Like that's a beautiful woman.

547
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: Right.

548
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: Well, what do you hope that women watching this movie?

549
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: We talked a little bit about this, but what do

550
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: you hope that they take from her story? Especially if

551
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: there's something that feels off, not right, manipulative, you know,

552
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: he said in the beginning, we all as women are like,

553
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: well it's okay. We sort of give people the benefit

554
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: of the doubt or kind of let things slide, Like

555
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: what what do you want them to take away from

556
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: this story?

557
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 3: Like, listen to your friends, listen to your instincts.

558
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 4: It's always listened to yourself and if you have to,

559
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 4: if they're making you question your own reality and going

560
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 4: wait did I did I do that? Like that is

561
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 4: a problem because you know what you like, you know

562
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 4: like it's and it's when they are making you question

563
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 4: your reality that is a red flag.

564
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: Yep.

565
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 4: You can look at yourself and go, Okay, maybe I

566
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 4: was being a little bit cheap. Fine, they can, like

567
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 4: they can call you up for those things. But the

568
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 4: reality of a when they're really going at you and

569
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 4: you know in your gut and your core who you are,

570
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 4: what you are, and how you are, and they're trying

571
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 4: to doubt.

572
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: Have you doubt that? That's a reality check?

573
00:30:52,920 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: Right, It's so so important. Well, I am super honored

574
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: to have spoken with you and to now know you,

575
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: and thank you for making this movie. Thank you for

576
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: speaking out as much as you do and helping women.

577
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: It's it's we uh we are all grateful to you

578
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: for that.

579
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: Thanks.

580
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: So gas Lit by My Husband is streaming on Netflix

581
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: and Lifetime, and Jenna also hosts wine Down with Janna

582
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: Kramer right here on iHeart so you can listen to

583
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: her there. And the movie is really wonderful. So congratulations,

584
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: Thank you friends. Let's do a movie together now, yeah,

585
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: let's yeah.

586
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 3: I would love that.

587
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: Awesome.

588
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 4: Thank you for shedding light in for you know, doing

589
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 4: your podcast and bringing these stories to help others.

590
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you,