Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ook F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks.
Speaker 1: As I mentioned on Friday, today, I get into a
Speaker 1: really great conversation with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel,
Speaker 1: where we talk about the country music singer Jason Alden
Speaker 1: and his white supremacist video, and what that means, what
Speaker 1: that states about our country, about what is deaned as
Speaker 1: okay that what Jonathan will bring up is a fact
Speaker 1: that these people who are applauding Jason Alden are the
Speaker 1: very same ones who degraded athletes like Colin Kaepernick for
Speaker 1: taking a knee. Jason Alvin is singing about shooting people
Speaker 1: up or beating the crap out of them, acts of violence.
Speaker 1: Funny because he was at one of the wildest mass
Speaker 1: shootings that we've seen that happened at a concert he
Speaker 1: was performing at in Las Vegas, where fifty eight people
Speaker 1: were murdered, and this is him singing about murder and
Speaker 1: violence and guns. Yet these would be the same people
Speaker 1: that would wave their finger and try and cancel rap
Speaker 1: artists for doing talking about I won't even say doing
Speaker 1: I will say talking about their lived experience. I'm just
Speaker 1: so sick of the bullshit folks. I have to say.
Speaker 1: And you know what ended up happening is that after
Speaker 1: the recording that we did with Jonathan, watched as Jason
Speaker 1: Alden rose on the iTunes charts. Because that's what whiteness does.
Speaker 1: It protects itself. Not only should his music have been
Speaker 1: pulled and his music video have been pulled by CMT,
Speaker 1: his entire catalog should be pulled from various streaming platforms
Speaker 1: because he's a racist, He's a bigot, and instead of
Speaker 1: us in media are trying to part and parcel. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know what he meant, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, and I don't know. Take people
Speaker 1: out their fucking word, right the same way that I
Speaker 1: talked about Tommy Tuberville. Take people. Take these white cis,
Speaker 1: hetero supposed Christian men, these white supremacists, take them at
Speaker 1: their word. Stop giving them an opportunity to apologize for
Speaker 1: what they know is fucking egregious and disgusting. I'm so
Speaker 1: sick and tired of providing racist with the benefit of
Speaker 1: the fucking doubt because they do not deserve it. It's enough.
Speaker 1: Coming up next, my conversation with our friend Jonathan Metzel. Folks,
Speaker 1: you know that whenever we have the opportunity to speak
Speaker 1: with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzil, I am
Speaker 1: always thrilled. And today we're gonna talk about entertainment and
Speaker 1: I'm using air quotes because controversy that our friend Jonathan
Speaker 1: brought my attention to. As many of you know who
Speaker 1: listen to me, country music may not be my favorite
Speaker 1: at all of music selections and genres, but Jason Aldan
Speaker 1: has made headlines and has had a recent video pulled
Speaker 1: by CMT and Jonathan, why don't you bring us into
Speaker 1: the why of the matter.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm glad we're talking about this because it
Speaker 2: hits home where I live in Nashville. And also, as
Speaker 2: you know, my new book looks at music and guns
Speaker 2: and violence, and so it's a playing out of a
Speaker 2: lot of things I've been thinking about. But basically, there
Speaker 2: was a there's a country music star who happens to
Speaker 2: also be Jason Aldine, the same music star who was
Speaker 2: on stage during the Las Vegas mass shooting. Right, remember
Speaker 2: there was a guy who was up in.
Speaker 1: The Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this guy has actually seen a mass shooting
Speaker 2: up close and personal because he was on stage.
Speaker 1: You are you gotta be kidding, man.
Speaker 2: No, it's true, it's true. And the thing is, after
Speaker 2: that mass shooting happened, he had sent out, you know,
Speaker 2: can't we all come together and this is a time
Speaker 2: for us to bond. He was actually a hero to
Speaker 2: many people at that time because he was basically saying,
Speaker 2: we have political divisions and now's a time for us
Speaker 2: to come together. And so in a way, you know,
Speaker 2: here's somebody who saw this life event and was calling
Speaker 2: for common purpose and finding some common reason and can't
Speaker 2: we come together across political divides? And that was kind
Speaker 2: of the last that people like you and me who
Speaker 2: aren't country music bands had thought about. It was like, cool,
Speaker 2: here's somebody who's among the good guys, of which there
Speaker 2: are many many in country music. And then kind of
Speaker 2: out of the blue, this song comes out that's basically
Speaker 2: a version of a kind of riff off of the
Speaker 2: You'll pry my gun off my out of my cold
Speaker 2: dead hands Charlton Heston kind of deal, which is basically,
Speaker 2: you don't know what it's like to live in a
Speaker 2: small town. You liberals want to come take our guns.
Speaker 2: You'll never do it. You'll never get down the street
Speaker 2: before we shoot you. And there were so many i
Speaker 2: would say problems and unforced errors with this video that
Speaker 2: he put out. One is that he shot the He
Speaker 2: shot the video in front of town hall in Tennessee
Speaker 2: where there actually have been lynchings of black people early.
Speaker 1: Yes, let me just let me just say for folks.
Speaker 1: In a Hill article that was covering this story, they
Speaker 1: said that the song was released in May and had
Speaker 1: been heavily criticized in recent days after the release of
Speaker 1: the video, which was filmed in front of a courthouse
Speaker 1: in Columbia, Tennessee, where black man was famously lynched in
Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties. And in the video, the courthouse is
Speaker 1: projected with images of violent protests and chrome acts, including
Speaker 1: demonstrations from the Black Lives Matter movement in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Right, And so this is to be honest, this is
Speaker 2: obviously not the first time we've seen this. I mean
Speaker 2: NRA TV didn't add about gun rights right after George
Speaker 2: Floyd that had black Black Lives Matter protesters. There's many,
Speaker 2: many histories of this exact genre, but somehow like this
Speaker 2: particular issue, this particular timing. It really touched a nerve
Speaker 2: and a lot of people, Shannon Watts was tweeting about it,
Speaker 2: and other people who were gun safety advocates, and it's
Speaker 2: just been it's been a it's honestly for me, been
Speaker 2: depressing and terrifying because, first of all, here's a guy
Speaker 2: who really should know better, like this guy has seen
Speaker 2: this guy's seen it up close, and so to then
Speaker 2: put out this like right wing you're not going to
Speaker 2: take my gun's video with this video and these lyrics,
Speaker 2: it just it's just I guess I don't know. This
Speaker 2: is my question is like what happened, Like, are the
Speaker 2: market forces so strong right now going toward trump is
Speaker 2: and fascism that basically this is what happens is it
Speaker 2: draws the market toward the right, and people say like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is the this is the market
Speaker 2: is to say we're victims of the liberal mob. And second,
Speaker 2: it's just so flatly not true in so many ways,
Speaker 2: which I'll just list a few of the ways that
Speaker 2: this whole thing is not true. First is people are
Speaker 2: pointing out he's actually not from a small town, he
Speaker 2: lives in Nashville. Of course it's not And so Nashville
Speaker 2: has like a million and a half people, and so
Speaker 2: it's not like he doesn't live in a small town.
Speaker 2: So this is like a guy who lives in a
Speaker 2: city or suburbs kind of playing this idea of what
Speaker 2: it means to be in a small town. So that
Speaker 2: that's not Wait, I want to.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait before you go on to number two, I
Speaker 1: just want to give folks a lyric from the song
Speaker 1: that goes just to that point. Ye he sings, and
Speaker 1: again I'm going to use that in quotations. Got a
Speaker 1: gun that my granddad gave me. They say one day
Speaker 1: they're gonna round up Well, that shit might fly in
Speaker 1: the city, good luck.
Speaker 2: And the thing is like, first of all, dude, you
Speaker 2: live in a city that Second of all, nobody's rounding
Speaker 2: up anybody. Like the idea that people are rounding up people,
Speaker 2: it's that's just like, that's like a it's a suburban myth, honestly,
Speaker 2: that people are coming to round up people's guns. So
Speaker 2: it's that's the narrative that the NRAA puts out every
Speaker 2: time there's a mass shooting. You know, Obama's coming to
Speaker 2: take your guns or blah blah blah. Fill in the
Speaker 2: blank is taking your guns. Nobody's taking anybody's guns right now.
Speaker 2: It's just like we've got four hundred and fifty million
Speaker 2: guns in this country. I don't think anybody has a
Speaker 2: car big enough to like load up people's guns in
Speaker 2: the first place. But so number one is it it's
Speaker 2: playing off of this you know, you city people are
Speaker 2: coming to take our guns, which very flatly is not true.
Speaker 2: For him in particular. Number two is, of course, you know,
Speaker 2: I work on gun suicide and the idea that like
Speaker 2: small towns are these safe locations where all the urban
Speaker 2: black people are protesting, and that's what we need to
Speaker 2: protect ourselves. Like, that's the narrative that is just so
Speaker 2: flatly not true. I mean there's the first of all,
Speaker 2: are a lot of mass shootings that happened in small towns.
Speaker 2: But then also overwhelmingly the most common cause of gun
Speaker 2: death is gun suicide, which is what I showed in
Speaker 2: Dying of Whiteness, which happens very often in small towns.
Speaker 2: And so it's again replaying this very racialized, politicized myth
Speaker 2: of what gun violence is. And then the third part
Speaker 2: is this guy in particular was in a city, Las Vegas,
Speaker 2: where he actually saw a real mass shooting that actually
Speaker 2: was brought upon country music people and so and so
Speaker 2: it's just it's so it's I guess for me. Number one,
Speaker 2: it's stupid, right, it's a it's an enforced error. But
Speaker 2: number two, is the market so skewed right now? Like,
Speaker 2: is the market so skewed that even people who like
Speaker 2: were in the center before have to like, I'll use.
Speaker 1: A but I don't. I don't know, Jonathan, because here
Speaker 1: here's the thing. One, I don't want to call this
Speaker 1: an unforced error. This was not an error.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a.
Speaker 1: This This was not an error on his part. This
Speaker 1: was a literal and I and I and I, you know,
Speaker 1: tongue in cheek. I actually don't mean to say this,
Speaker 1: but I can't think of another term. This was a
Speaker 1: shot at him trying to get relevance and grab headlines. Right.
Speaker 1: I don't. Again, I don't pay attention to country music
Speaker 1: at all, But I don't think that it's often that
Speaker 1: people's music gets pulled. When your music gets pulled, you
Speaker 1: have crossed like a line. And you know, and I
Speaker 1: think that again, this is not We live in a
Speaker 1: time of clickbait of really egregious and over the top
Speaker 1: behavior to grab headlines, to grab clicks, to get views,
Speaker 1: to get likes, right, And that goes for you know,
Speaker 1: a regular person on the street who's doing who's pulling
Speaker 1: a stunt to celebrities, right, So they're not above this.
Speaker 1: And I think that for his point when I find
Speaker 1: the most egregious about this, aside from the song being horrible,
Speaker 1: aside from being in front of a building that was
Speaker 1: the site that of a quote unquote famous lynching, aside
Speaker 1: of all of that, his lie, right, this is what
Speaker 1: he says about his own song, Try that in a
Speaker 1: small time. Try that in a small town. For me,
Speaker 1: refers to the feeling of a community that I had
Speaker 1: growing up, where we took care of our neighbors regardless
Speaker 1: of differences of background or belief, because they were our
Speaker 1: neighbors and that was above any differences. You're a fucking liar, right,
Speaker 1: So let's start out right there, because you're putting up
Speaker 1: images of black people in a pandemic being forced out
Speaker 1: into the streets to defend their right to exist, and
Speaker 1: you're using that as a way to say we need
Speaker 1: to protect our small towns, when you know, for that
Speaker 1: none of those protests were happening in small fucking towns, right,
Speaker 1: They were happening in cities and suburbs where the shootings
Speaker 1: of unarmed black people are at an all time high.
Speaker 1: These quote unquote white small towns don't have diverse neighbors
Speaker 1: because they've either burned the towns that were close to
Speaker 1: them to the ground write or circled their quote unquote
Speaker 1: wagons and created policies to make sure that people who
Speaker 1: didn't look like them weren't allowed in that same space.
Speaker 1: So let's tell the truth from the beginning about the
Speaker 1: history of the places that you're talking about with regard
Speaker 1: to small town that have still have sunset laws on
Speaker 1: the books that if a black person were to be
Speaker 1: found there after sunset, they could be murdered and all
Speaker 1: would be fine. So it's just like, it's the idea
Speaker 1: to me that he's talking about, how dare people infer
Speaker 1: racist elements? And I'm that I'm pro lynching. This is
Speaker 1: what he says in this in this interview that he did,
Speaker 1: how dare people do that? When I don't talk about
Speaker 1: that at all. You don't have to say the N
Speaker 1: word in order for people to think that you're a racist.
Speaker 1: The entire song to me just is is stench. The
Speaker 1: stench of it is there.
Speaker 2: Well, and let me be very clear, like there are
Speaker 2: like this is This has led to a pretty important
Speaker 2: debate within country music. Like there are a lot of
Speaker 2: very incredible socially conscious artists. Jason Isbel for a sample,
Speaker 2: has been incredible. He's been pulling out of events and protests.
Speaker 2: There are there are there. So the debate within country music,
Speaker 2: I think about this about whether Elding was canceled, you know,
Speaker 2: which is of course the minute any protest comes up,
Speaker 2: then it's like, oh, you're canceling me. But but it'll
Speaker 2: be interesting to see how country music responds, Like I
Speaker 2: think it's actually pretty unprecedented for CMT to pull this
Speaker 2: also and so and so it'll be interesting to see
Speaker 2: where this leads in country music. But there is a
Speaker 2: debate in country music which is similar to debate in
Speaker 2: our country. And I just want to be clear that
Speaker 2: not everybody's on the same side, but I just want
Speaker 2: to I just want to reinforce a point you just made,
Speaker 2: which is the issue is not just about his personal
Speaker 2: racism or his intention. And I'll say that because when
Speaker 2: I was doing my interviews for Dying of Whiteness. I
Speaker 2: would do these interviews with people in the middle of nowhere, Missouri,
Speaker 2: and they would basically say, I would say, like, why
Speaker 2: do you have a an AR fifteen with you? And
Speaker 2: they would always cite Ferguson, Missouri, like you know, a
Speaker 2: gang banger might come here from Ferguson, Missouri. I see
Speaker 2: what's happening in Ferguson, Missouri. And these were interviews that
Speaker 2: were being done maybe two hundred miles from Ferguson, Missouri,
Speaker 2: two hundred fifty miles from Ferguson, Missouri, and really among
Speaker 2: the whitest parts of Missouri, there was not a Black
Speaker 2: Lives Matter person for literally hundreds of miles, or.
Speaker 1: A black person for nearly hundreds of miles. It's really
Speaker 1: alone and.
Speaker 2: Act it was. It was in the book. I think
Speaker 2: I call it like a looking into a bucket of
Speaker 2: rice or something like that, like it just it was
Speaker 2: a bunch of It was just like a lot of
Speaker 2: white people in this area, which is fine, I mean,
Speaker 2: this is where they live. But the idea that this
Speaker 2: was happening in Ferguson meant that people were strapping up
Speaker 2: because this thing I and I would say, well, look,
Speaker 2: it seems to me like the protests are actually happening
Speaker 2: in Ferguson, right, It's not happening here. But they were like, well,
Speaker 2: it could come here, they could come take my staff
Speaker 2: and stuff. So it was this idea of the reason.
Speaker 1: Well like like, it's the I got to tell you, like,
Speaker 1: I know that your next book is about, you know,
Speaker 1: is about gun culture in America. But this fucking psychosis
Speaker 1: that white people suffer from in America that like Fox
Speaker 1: News and Magadam has been able to exacerbate but has
Speaker 1: always been prevalent, is absolutely crazy. To me. It is
Speaker 1: it is a deep psychosis.
Speaker 2: Well, and let me be clear that the point I'm
Speaker 2: making is that it doesn't matter if Eldin was himself racist.
Speaker 2: He's tapping into that narrative, right, and so the problem
Speaker 2: isn't his intention or even his exact lyric. The problem
Speaker 2: is that he's tapping into that intention that we need
Speaker 2: to arm small towns because there are protests happening in Ferguson.
Speaker 2: And so whether or not.
Speaker 1: No one wants to go to your small town, I
Speaker 1: also want to be very clear about that, Yeah, nobody's
Speaker 1: fucking interested.
Speaker 2: That's I would kind of when I would do these
Speaker 2: interviews and people really were convinced that people were going
Speaker 2: to come to their town and steal their big screen
Speaker 2: TV that they had mounted on their wall and then
Speaker 2: take public transit home and I and it was so
Speaker 2: weird because I kept thinking, like, first, there's no public
Speaker 2: transit here whatsoever, because that actually requires taxes. But also like,
Speaker 2: nobody wants your big screen TV, like they probably have
Speaker 2: a better TV already. And so but this idea that
Speaker 2: somebody's going to come take my staff or my privilege
Speaker 2: or my job or my wife like that is the
Speaker 2: anxiety of whiteness in America a lot of times, and
Speaker 2: so it taps into it. And so again I just think,
Speaker 2: I just think that. And again the frustration for me,
Speaker 2: you can hear it in my voice, I hope, is
Speaker 2: that here's an artist who had actually overcome these divides
Speaker 2: and said, look, man, I've seen this horror upfront firsthand,
Speaker 2: and let's overcome our division. So here's somebody who was
Speaker 2: like on the side of, like at least on paper,
Speaker 2: on the side of like, let's overcome our political divisions,
Speaker 2: who's now instead doubled down on some of the worst
Speaker 2: stereotypes that tear people apart, which is this stereotype that
Speaker 2: black people are going to come take our stuff and
Speaker 2: that's why we need a gun. And so to me,
Speaker 2: that's my frustration is like I don't know, like like
Speaker 2: I don't out Danielle. I don't mean to be like
Speaker 2: the straight guy today, but I really am the straight guy.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say, like even as like a white American.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've studied this stuff forever, and it's like
Speaker 2: the narrative is so consistent, and I can you know,
Speaker 2: I can show you and add that NRA television did
Speaker 2: three years ago, which is black people are coming for
Speaker 2: your stuff and this is why you have to be armed.
Speaker 1: And when I just I like express it enough that
Speaker 1: like I don't want your shit, but I.
Speaker 2: Mean and and the other narrative is like remember the
Speaker 2: mccloskey's in Saint Louis. You know, like, oh, black people
Speaker 2: are marching by our house and they probably want our shit,
Speaker 2: and so we got to stand out there with guns.
Speaker 2: And so this idea that basically people want our shit,
Speaker 2: it's such a deep anxiety. And the thing is that
Speaker 2: the answer is to say, the answer is to say
Speaker 2: what Aldine said the first time, which is like, hey man,
Speaker 2: let's overcome our divisions and figure it out and work
Speaker 2: create a system that works for everybody. But this narrative
Speaker 2: that people are coming for your stuff, and it's obviously
Speaker 2: not just about stuff, it's about social position and hierarchy
Speaker 2: and country and sexuality.
Speaker 1: I look, I look, here's the thing, Like you and
Speaker 1: I both understand this. What I want to break through
Speaker 1: without having to do like docuseries after docuseries, or like
Speaker 1: reporting on people's anxiety, is that like, because I don't
Speaker 1: care about white people's anxiety, what I care abit about
Speaker 1: is how their anxiety fuels public policy right that destroys
Speaker 1: other people's access to anything right, whether that be a job,
Speaker 1: higher education, like the ability to buy a home where
Speaker 1: they want to how they want to. Like, that's the
Speaker 1: fucking problem. That's where the investigation is. Is that you
Speaker 1: is that White America has made up an entire boogeyman
Speaker 1: of people that are coming to take their stuff from them.
Speaker 1: When no one wants your stuff. They want the ability
Speaker 1: to be able to buy their own stuff, to be
Speaker 1: able to buy their own fucking property. And you've created
Speaker 1: policies based off of your fucking anxiety and psychosis that
Speaker 1: disallows people from being able to do so. And then
Speaker 1: you want to hide right and hoard your privilege and
Speaker 1: all of your shit. And it's just like you're hoarding
Speaker 1: it because you know that you don't fucking deserve it.
Speaker 1: Like That's the other thing, too, is that this all
Speaker 1: comes back to a place of, well, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be treated the way that I have been treating
Speaker 1: these groups of people for generations, right, Like that's that's
Speaker 1: the thing is. It's like the psychosis that fuels the
Speaker 1: policy that leads to the oppression and suppression then fuels
Speaker 1: the anxiety and the fear you have about those people
Speaker 1: whose boots you have on their neck rising up to
Speaker 1: take back what you have extracted from them.
Speaker 2: And the other part of that is that then when
Speaker 2: you get called on it, you claim that you're a
Speaker 2: victim again, like, oh, it's cancer culture, and.
Speaker 1: It is it is the way it is. It is,
Speaker 1: like I got to tell you that, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: there are some days when I pray for alien invasion
Speaker 1: because like I just want to be fucking done. Like
Speaker 1: because it's just so like every time you think that
Speaker 1: you make inroads, you realize that the rod is just
Speaker 1: so deep, and there are questions that I have on
Speaker 1: a regular basis where I'm just like, maybe you just
Speaker 1: throw away the whole. Maybe there is no more amputation
Speaker 1: to do, Maybe there is no more surgery to do.
Speaker 2: I mean, the problem, though I hear this a lot,
Speaker 2: the problem is if we burn it down, we would
Speaker 2: still be negotiating with the same people to build it
Speaker 2: back up. I mean, I agree with you, it's just
Speaker 2: what does that mean exactly? Like, what does that mean
Speaker 2: in practical terms?
Speaker 1: I have no idea, Jonathan, but I know that there
Speaker 1: are days, there are months, there are years where I
Speaker 1: am just I'm over it, like and I you know,
Speaker 1: God blessed the fact that there are younger generations that
Speaker 1: are coming in with more energy and more information and
Speaker 1: more education that I had at their age to be
Speaker 1: able to pick up the mantle, because I got to
Speaker 1: tell you that, like, I understand the burnout, I understand
Speaker 1: the exhaustion because it's just like it's never ending, right,
Speaker 1: and that's what it's like. What is the solution. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but it can't be banging my head against
Speaker 1: the fucking wall on a day to day basis, do
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Like it can't be battling
Speaker 1: against the great grandchildren of the slave master. They're still
Speaker 1: begging for liberation, Like it can't be that, do you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? So like, I don't know what
Speaker 1: the solution is. I think if I did, I would
Speaker 1: have a Pulitzer and a Nobel Peace Prize under my belt, right, Like.
Speaker 2: I would like to give you a Pulitzer and a
Speaker 2: Nobel Peace Prize already. But I would also say moments
Speaker 2: like this, honestly, they're opportunities, right. I mean, if he
Speaker 2: came out now and said, man, I messed up and
Speaker 2: I'm going to work to make things right or something
Speaker 2: like that, Like these are the moments where we see
Speaker 2: how messed up things are, but there are also opportunities
Speaker 2: to like look at the real issue and correct it.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, it's just the deviciousness is so
Speaker 2: deep right now.
Speaker 1: But what I will say is that I absolutely applaud
Speaker 1: like you did earlier. I applaud CMT for pulling the video.
Speaker 1: And the fact is that, you know, maybe the reason
Speaker 1: why the song wasn't pulled two months ago is because
Speaker 1: tons of people put out music right, Like tons of
Speaker 1: people put out music on a day to day basis,
Speaker 1: but once you see the visuals associated with what it
Speaker 1: is that he is singing about, you can't disassociate the
Speaker 1: two and pretend that it's it's not what it is
Speaker 1: that he's saying, right, And I applaud them for taking
Speaker 1: the steps, because this is their base, this is who
Speaker 1: they're this is you know, this is a part of
Speaker 1: their basis, not the whole you know, country music bass,
Speaker 1: but it's sure as hell is a good amount of
Speaker 1: it right country music. Though to that point, I have watched,
Speaker 1: even from Afar, watched it become so much more diverse
Speaker 1: than it was twenty years ago, right when they silenced
Speaker 1: the Dixie Chicks, and like the only people that you
Speaker 1: saw were white folks on stage. That's no longer the thing.
Speaker 1: And I think that they recognize that their audience is
Speaker 1: a lot more diverse, you know, than it was, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty thirty years ago. So bravo to them for taking
Speaker 1: the steps to you know, to do what's right.
Speaker 2: And we'll have to see what happens now. I mean,
Speaker 2: there are well we can talk about this next time.
Speaker 2: But he's actually supposed to perform at a at a
Speaker 2: benefit concert for victims of the mass shooting at the
Speaker 2: Covenant School in Nashville.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's he should be, that should be, that
Speaker 1: invite should be rescinded, and.
Speaker 2: There's a big tribute at the Rhyman and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So again, how people respond again, I would follow people
Speaker 2: like Jason Isbel who are really really coming out strong
Speaker 2: I think here. But it'll be interesting to see what
Speaker 2: this moment. I mean, it just seems to I'm just
Speaker 2: so tired of like you get called on your shit
Speaker 2: and then you cancel culture as opposed to like owning
Speaker 2: what you did right. And so we'll have to see
Speaker 2: what the response is. But I would say that maybe
Speaker 2: some important voices will come out of this that are
Speaker 2: that are counter voices to the narrative we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Well, we will have to leave it there today. Jonathan
Speaker 1: is on that with another controversy next week. But I
Speaker 1: really do appreciate you bringing our attention to this because
Speaker 1: I think that it's important. And while he should while
Speaker 1: again I will say, this was not an unforced error.
Speaker 1: It should have never happened. He did it for the clicks.
Speaker 1: He did it for you know, he did it for
Speaker 1: the provocation of it all.
Speaker 2: Well, and yeah, it's also like I guarantee you, like,
Speaker 2: people who are making like this, oh it's cancel culture
Speaker 2: are the same people who at one time were saying.
Speaker 1: To cancel the Dixie Chicks and other people.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying that like, like, it's very very easy
Speaker 2: for people to say, oh, rap music is glorifying violence
Speaker 2: and culture and stuff like that. So in a way, like,
Speaker 2: if if that's your critique, rap is glorifying violence, where
Speaker 2: sometimes rap does glorify violence. But if that's your if
Speaker 2: that's your metric, then you know, then you should take
Speaker 2: a stand here and say we don't want this music
Speaker 2: and this video glorifying violence violence.
Speaker 1: One hundred Thank you Jonathan for always giving us deep
Speaker 1: analysis and more food for thought. We appreciate you hanging there.
Speaker 2: Everybody.
Speaker 1: That is it for me today, Dear friends on woke
Speaker 1: a f as always, Power to the people and to
Speaker 1: all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.