1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ook F Daily with 2 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks. 3 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: As I mentioned on Friday, today, I get into a 4 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: really great conversation with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, 5 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: where we talk about the country music singer Jason Alden 6 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: and his white supremacist video, and what that means, what 7 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: that states about our country, about what is deaned as 8 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: okay that what Jonathan will bring up is a fact 9 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: that these people who are applauding Jason Alden are the 10 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: very same ones who degraded athletes like Colin Kaepernick for 11 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: taking a knee. Jason Alvin is singing about shooting people 12 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: up or beating the crap out of them, acts of violence. 13 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: Funny because he was at one of the wildest mass 14 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: shootings that we've seen that happened at a concert he 15 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: was performing at in Las Vegas, where fifty eight people 16 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: were murdered, and this is him singing about murder and 17 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: violence and guns. Yet these would be the same people 18 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: that would wave their finger and try and cancel rap 19 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 1: artists for doing talking about I won't even say doing 20 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: I will say talking about their lived experience. I'm just 21 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: so sick of the bullshit folks. I have to say. 22 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: And you know what ended up happening is that after 23 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: the recording that we did with Jonathan, watched as Jason 24 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: Alden rose on the iTunes charts. Because that's what whiteness does. 25 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: It protects itself. Not only should his music have been 26 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: pulled and his music video have been pulled by CMT, 27 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: his entire catalog should be pulled from various streaming platforms 28 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: because he's a racist, He's a bigot, and instead of 29 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: us in media are trying to part and parcel. Well, 30 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what he meant, and I don't know, 31 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 1: and I don't know, and I don't know. Take people 32 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: out their fucking word, right the same way that I 33 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: talked about Tommy Tuberville. Take people. Take these white cis, 34 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: hetero supposed Christian men, these white supremacists, take them at 35 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: their word. Stop giving them an opportunity to apologize for 36 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: what they know is fucking egregious and disgusting. I'm so 37 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: sick and tired of providing racist with the benefit of 38 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: the fucking doubt because they do not deserve it. It's enough. 39 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: Coming up next, my conversation with our friend Jonathan Metzel. Folks, 40 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: you know that whenever we have the opportunity to speak 41 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzil, I am 42 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: always thrilled. And today we're gonna talk about entertainment and 43 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: I'm using air quotes because controversy that our friend Jonathan 44 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: brought my attention to. As many of you know who 45 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: listen to me, country music may not be my favorite 46 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: at all of music selections and genres, but Jason Aldan 47 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: has made headlines and has had a recent video pulled 48 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: by CMT and Jonathan, why don't you bring us into 49 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: the why of the matter. 50 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm glad we're talking about this because it 51 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 2: hits home where I live in Nashville. And also, as 52 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: you know, my new book looks at music and guns 53 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 2: and violence, and so it's a playing out of a 54 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: lot of things I've been thinking about. But basically, there 55 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 2: was a there's a country music star who happens to 56 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: also be Jason Aldine, the same music star who was 57 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: on stage during the Las Vegas mass shooting. Right, remember 58 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 2: there was a guy who was up in. 59 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: The Oh my god. 60 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, so this guy has actually seen a mass shooting 61 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: up close and personal because he was on stage. 62 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: You are you gotta be kidding, man. 63 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: No, it's true, it's true. And the thing is, after 64 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: that mass shooting happened, he had sent out, you know, 65 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: can't we all come together and this is a time 66 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 2: for us to bond. He was actually a hero to 67 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: many people at that time because he was basically saying, 68 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: we have political divisions and now's a time for us 69 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 2: to come together. And so in a way, you know, 70 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 2: here's somebody who saw this life event and was calling 71 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: for common purpose and finding some common reason and can't 72 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: we come together across political divides? And that was kind 73 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: of the last that people like you and me who 74 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: aren't country music bands had thought about. It was like, cool, 75 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: here's somebody who's among the good guys, of which there 76 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: are many many in country music. And then kind of 77 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: out of the blue, this song comes out that's basically 78 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 2: a version of a kind of riff off of the 79 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,559 Speaker 2: You'll pry my gun off my out of my cold 80 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 2: dead hands Charlton Heston kind of deal, which is basically, 81 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: you don't know what it's like to live in a 82 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 2: small town. You liberals want to come take our guns. 83 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 2: You'll never do it. You'll never get down the street 84 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 2: before we shoot you. And there were so many i 85 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: would say problems and unforced errors with this video that 86 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: he put out. One is that he shot the He 87 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 2: shot the video in front of town hall in Tennessee 88 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: where there actually have been lynchings of black people early. 89 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: Yes, let me just let me just say for folks. 90 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: In a Hill article that was covering this story, they 91 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: said that the song was released in May and had 92 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: been heavily criticized in recent days after the release of 93 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: the video, which was filmed in front of a courthouse 94 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: in Columbia, Tennessee, where black man was famously lynched in 95 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties. And in the video, the courthouse is 96 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: projected with images of violent protests and chrome acts, including 97 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: demonstrations from the Black Lives Matter movement in twenty twenty. 98 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: Right, And so this is to be honest, this is 99 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 2: obviously not the first time we've seen this. I mean 100 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: NRA TV didn't add about gun rights right after George 101 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: Floyd that had black Black Lives Matter protesters. There's many, 102 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: many histories of this exact genre, but somehow like this 103 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: particular issue, this particular timing. It really touched a nerve 104 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: and a lot of people, Shannon Watts was tweeting about it, 105 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 2: and other people who were gun safety advocates, and it's 106 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: just been it's been a it's honestly for me, been 107 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: depressing and terrifying because, first of all, here's a guy 108 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: who really should know better, like this guy has seen 109 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 2: this guy's seen it up close, and so to then 110 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: put out this like right wing you're not going to 111 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: take my gun's video with this video and these lyrics, 112 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: it just it's just I guess I don't know. This 113 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: is my question is like what happened, Like, are the 114 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: market forces so strong right now going toward trump is 115 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: and fascism that basically this is what happens is it 116 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: draws the market toward the right, and people say like, 117 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: oh my god, this is the this is the market 118 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: is to say we're victims of the liberal mob. And second, 119 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: it's just so flatly not true in so many ways, 120 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: which I'll just list a few of the ways that 121 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: this whole thing is not true. First is people are 122 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: pointing out he's actually not from a small town, he 123 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 2: lives in Nashville. Of course it's not And so Nashville 124 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: has like a million and a half people, and so 125 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 2: it's not like he doesn't live in a small town. 126 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: So this is like a guy who lives in a 127 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: city or suburbs kind of playing this idea of what 128 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: it means to be in a small town. So that 129 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 2: that's not Wait, I want to. 130 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: Wait, wait before you go on to number two, I 131 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: just want to give folks a lyric from the song 132 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: that goes just to that point. Ye he sings, and 133 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 1: again I'm going to use that in quotations. Got a 134 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: gun that my granddad gave me. They say one day 135 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: they're gonna round up Well, that shit might fly in 136 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: the city, good luck. 137 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: And the thing is like, first of all, dude, you 138 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: live in a city that Second of all, nobody's rounding 139 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: up anybody. Like the idea that people are rounding up people, 140 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: it's that's just like, that's like a it's a suburban myth, honestly, 141 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 2: that people are coming to round up people's guns. So 142 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: it's that's the narrative that the NRAA puts out every 143 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 2: time there's a mass shooting. You know, Obama's coming to 144 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 2: take your guns or blah blah blah. Fill in the 145 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 2: blank is taking your guns. Nobody's taking anybody's guns right now. 146 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: It's just like we've got four hundred and fifty million 147 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: guns in this country. I don't think anybody has a 148 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: car big enough to like load up people's guns in 149 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 2: the first place. But so number one is it it's 150 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: playing off of this you know, you city people are 151 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: coming to take our guns, which very flatly is not true. 152 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 2: For him in particular. Number two is, of course, you know, 153 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: I work on gun suicide and the idea that like 154 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 2: small towns are these safe locations where all the urban 155 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 2: black people are protesting, and that's what we need to 156 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: protect ourselves. Like, that's the narrative that is just so 157 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: flatly not true. I mean there's the first of all, 158 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: are a lot of mass shootings that happened in small towns. 159 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: But then also overwhelmingly the most common cause of gun 160 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 2: death is gun suicide, which is what I showed in 161 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: Dying of Whiteness, which happens very often in small towns. 162 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: And so it's again replaying this very racialized, politicized myth 163 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: of what gun violence is. And then the third part 164 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: is this guy in particular was in a city, Las Vegas, 165 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 2: where he actually saw a real mass shooting that actually 166 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 2: was brought upon country music people and so and so 167 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: it's just it's so it's I guess for me. Number one, 168 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 2: it's stupid, right, it's a it's an enforced error. But 169 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: number two, is the market so skewed right now? Like, 170 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: is the market so skewed that even people who like 171 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: were in the center before have to like, I'll use. 172 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: A but I don't. I don't know, Jonathan, because here 173 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: here's the thing. One, I don't want to call this 174 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: an unforced error. This was not an error. 175 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a. 176 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: This This was not an error on his part. This 177 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: was a literal and I and I and I, you know, 178 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: tongue in cheek. I actually don't mean to say this, 179 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: but I can't think of another term. This was a 180 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: shot at him trying to get relevance and grab headlines. Right. 181 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: I don't. Again, I don't pay attention to country music 182 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: at all, But I don't think that it's often that 183 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: people's music gets pulled. When your music gets pulled, you 184 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: have crossed like a line. And you know, and I 185 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: think that again, this is not We live in a 186 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: time of clickbait of really egregious and over the top 187 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: behavior to grab headlines, to grab clicks, to get views, 188 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: to get likes, right, And that goes for you know, 189 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: a regular person on the street who's doing who's pulling 190 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: a stunt to celebrities, right, So they're not above this. 191 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: And I think that for his point when I find 192 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: the most egregious about this, aside from the song being horrible, 193 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: aside from being in front of a building that was 194 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: the site that of a quote unquote famous lynching, aside 195 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: of all of that, his lie, right, this is what 196 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: he says about his own song, Try that in a 197 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: small time. Try that in a small town. For me, 198 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: refers to the feeling of a community that I had 199 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: growing up, where we took care of our neighbors regardless 200 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: of differences of background or belief, because they were our 201 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: neighbors and that was above any differences. You're a fucking liar, right, 202 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: So let's start out right there, because you're putting up 203 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: images of black people in a pandemic being forced out 204 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: into the streets to defend their right to exist, and 205 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: you're using that as a way to say we need 206 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: to protect our small towns, when you know, for that 207 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: none of those protests were happening in small fucking towns, right, 208 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: They were happening in cities and suburbs where the shootings 209 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,359 Speaker 1: of unarmed black people are at an all time high. 210 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: These quote unquote white small towns don't have diverse neighbors 211 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: because they've either burned the towns that were close to 212 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: them to the ground write or circled their quote unquote 213 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: wagons and created policies to make sure that people who 214 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: didn't look like them weren't allowed in that same space. 215 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: So let's tell the truth from the beginning about the 216 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: history of the places that you're talking about with regard 217 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: to small town that have still have sunset laws on 218 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: the books that if a black person were to be 219 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: found there after sunset, they could be murdered and all 220 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: would be fine. So it's just like, it's the idea 221 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: to me that he's talking about, how dare people infer 222 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: racist elements? And I'm that I'm pro lynching. This is 223 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: what he says in this in this interview that he did, 224 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: how dare people do that? When I don't talk about 225 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: that at all. You don't have to say the N 226 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: word in order for people to think that you're a racist. 227 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: The entire song to me just is is stench. The 228 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: stench of it is there. 229 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: Well, and let me be very clear, like there are 230 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: like this is This has led to a pretty important 231 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: debate within country music. Like there are a lot of 232 00:14:55,080 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 2: very incredible socially conscious artists. Jason Isbel for a sample, 233 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 2: has been incredible. He's been pulling out of events and protests. 234 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: There are there are there. So the debate within country music, 235 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 2: I think about this about whether Elding was canceled, you know, 236 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: which is of course the minute any protest comes up, 237 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: then it's like, oh, you're canceling me. But but it'll 238 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 2: be interesting to see how country music responds, Like I 239 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: think it's actually pretty unprecedented for CMT to pull this 240 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 2: also and so and so it'll be interesting to see 241 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: where this leads in country music. But there is a 242 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: debate in country music which is similar to debate in 243 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 2: our country. And I just want to be clear that 244 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: not everybody's on the same side, but I just want 245 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 2: to I just want to reinforce a point you just made, 246 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: which is the issue is not just about his personal 247 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 2: racism or his intention. And I'll say that because when 248 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: I was doing my interviews for Dying of Whiteness. I 249 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: would do these interviews with people in the middle of nowhere, Missouri, 250 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 2: and they would basically say, I would say, like, why 251 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: do you have a an AR fifteen with you? And 252 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: they would always cite Ferguson, Missouri, like you know, a 253 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 2: gang banger might come here from Ferguson, Missouri. I see 254 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: what's happening in Ferguson, Missouri. And these were interviews that 255 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: were being done maybe two hundred miles from Ferguson, Missouri, 256 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: two hundred fifty miles from Ferguson, Missouri, and really among 257 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 2: the whitest parts of Missouri, there was not a Black 258 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 2: Lives Matter person for literally hundreds of miles, or. 259 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: A black person for nearly hundreds of miles. It's really 260 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: alone and. 261 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 2: Act it was. It was in the book. I think 262 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 2: I call it like a looking into a bucket of 263 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 2: rice or something like that, like it just it was 264 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: a bunch of It was just like a lot of 265 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 2: white people in this area, which is fine, I mean, 266 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: this is where they live. But the idea that this 267 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: was happening in Ferguson meant that people were strapping up 268 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 2: because this thing I and I would say, well, look, 269 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 2: it seems to me like the protests are actually happening 270 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 2: in Ferguson, right, It's not happening here. But they were like, well, 271 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: it could come here, they could come take my staff 272 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 2: and stuff. So it was this idea of the reason. 273 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: Well like like, it's the I got to tell you, like, 274 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: I know that your next book is about, you know, 275 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: is about gun culture in America. But this fucking psychosis 276 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: that white people suffer from in America that like Fox 277 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: News and Magadam has been able to exacerbate but has 278 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: always been prevalent, is absolutely crazy. To me. It is 279 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: it is a deep psychosis. 280 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: Well, and let me be clear that the point I'm 281 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 2: making is that it doesn't matter if Eldin was himself racist. 282 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 2: He's tapping into that narrative, right, and so the problem 283 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 2: isn't his intention or even his exact lyric. The problem 284 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 2: is that he's tapping into that intention that we need 285 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 2: to arm small towns because there are protests happening in Ferguson. 286 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 2: And so whether or not. 287 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: No one wants to go to your small town, I 288 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: also want to be very clear about that, Yeah, nobody's 289 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: fucking interested. 290 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 2: That's I would kind of when I would do these 291 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: interviews and people really were convinced that people were going 292 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 2: to come to their town and steal their big screen 293 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 2: TV that they had mounted on their wall and then 294 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 2: take public transit home and I and it was so 295 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: weird because I kept thinking, like, first, there's no public 296 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: transit here whatsoever, because that actually requires taxes. But also like, 297 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: nobody wants your big screen TV, like they probably have 298 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 2: a better TV already. And so but this idea that 299 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 2: somebody's going to come take my staff or my privilege 300 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: or my job or my wife like that is the 301 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 2: anxiety of whiteness in America a lot of times, and 302 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 2: so it taps into it. And so again I just think, 303 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 2: I just think that. And again the frustration for me, 304 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 2: you can hear it in my voice, I hope, is 305 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 2: that here's an artist who had actually overcome these divides 306 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 2: and said, look, man, I've seen this horror upfront firsthand, 307 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 2: and let's overcome our division. So here's somebody who was 308 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: like on the side of, like at least on paper, 309 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 2: on the side of like, let's overcome our political divisions, 310 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 2: who's now instead doubled down on some of the worst 311 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: stereotypes that tear people apart, which is this stereotype that 312 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 2: black people are going to come take our stuff and 313 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: that's why we need a gun. And so to me, 314 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: that's my frustration is like I don't know, like like 315 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 2: I don't out Danielle. I don't mean to be like 316 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 2: the straight guy today, but I really am the straight guy. 317 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 2: I'm trying to say, like even as like a white American. 318 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I've studied this stuff forever, and it's like 319 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 2: the narrative is so consistent, and I can you know, 320 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: I can show you and add that NRA television did 321 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: three years ago, which is black people are coming for 322 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 2: your stuff and this is why you have to be armed. 323 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: And when I just I like express it enough that 324 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: like I don't want your shit, but I. 325 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 2: Mean and and the other narrative is like remember the 326 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: mccloskey's in Saint Louis. You know, like, oh, black people 327 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 2: are marching by our house and they probably want our shit, 328 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 2: and so we got to stand out there with guns. 329 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 2: And so this idea that basically people want our shit, 330 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 2: it's such a deep anxiety. And the thing is that 331 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 2: the answer is to say, the answer is to say 332 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 2: what Aldine said the first time, which is like, hey man, 333 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 2: let's overcome our divisions and figure it out and work 334 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 2: create a system that works for everybody. But this narrative 335 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 2: that people are coming for your stuff, and it's obviously 336 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 2: not just about stuff, it's about social position and hierarchy 337 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: and country and sexuality. 338 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: I look, I look, here's the thing, Like you and 339 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: I both understand this. What I want to break through 340 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: without having to do like docuseries after docuseries, or like 341 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: reporting on people's anxiety, is that like, because I don't 342 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: care about white people's anxiety, what I care abit about 343 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: is how their anxiety fuels public policy right that destroys 344 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: other people's access to anything right, whether that be a job, 345 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: higher education, like the ability to buy a home where 346 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: they want to how they want to. Like, that's the 347 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: fucking problem. That's where the investigation is. Is that you 348 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: is that White America has made up an entire boogeyman 349 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: of people that are coming to take their stuff from them. 350 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: When no one wants your stuff. They want the ability 351 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: to be able to buy their own stuff, to be 352 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: able to buy their own fucking property. And you've created 353 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: policies based off of your fucking anxiety and psychosis that 354 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: disallows people from being able to do so. And then 355 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:51,719 Speaker 1: you want to hide right and hoard your privilege and 356 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: all of your shit. And it's just like you're hoarding 357 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: it because you know that you don't fucking deserve it. 358 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: Like That's the other thing, too, is that this all 359 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: comes back to a place of, well, I don't want 360 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: to be treated the way that I have been treating 361 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: these groups of people for generations, right, Like that's that's 362 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: the thing is. It's like the psychosis that fuels the 363 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: policy that leads to the oppression and suppression then fuels 364 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: the anxiety and the fear you have about those people 365 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: whose boots you have on their neck rising up to 366 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: take back what you have extracted from them. 367 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 2: And the other part of that is that then when 368 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 2: you get called on it, you claim that you're a 369 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 2: victim again, like, oh, it's cancer culture, and. 370 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: It is it is the way it is. It is, 371 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: like I got to tell you that, Like, you know, 372 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: there are some days when I pray for alien invasion 373 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: because like I just want to be fucking done. Like 374 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: because it's just so like every time you think that 375 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: you make inroads, you realize that the rod is just 376 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: so deep, and there are questions that I have on 377 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: a regular basis where I'm just like, maybe you just 378 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: throw away the whole. Maybe there is no more amputation 379 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: to do, Maybe there is no more surgery to do. 380 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: I mean, the problem, though I hear this a lot, 381 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 2: the problem is if we burn it down, we would 382 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,959 Speaker 2: still be negotiating with the same people to build it 383 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 2: back up. I mean, I agree with you, it's just 384 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 2: what does that mean exactly? Like, what does that mean 385 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 2: in practical terms? 386 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: I have no idea, Jonathan, but I know that there 387 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: are days, there are months, there are years where I 388 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: am just I'm over it, like and I you know, 389 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: God blessed the fact that there are younger generations that 390 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: are coming in with more energy and more information and 391 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: more education that I had at their age to be 392 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: able to pick up the mantle, because I got to 393 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 1: tell you that, like, I understand the burnout, I understand 394 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: the exhaustion because it's just like it's never ending, right, 395 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,239 Speaker 1: and that's what it's like. What is the solution. I 396 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: don't know, but it can't be banging my head against 397 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: the fucking wall on a day to day basis, do 398 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Like it can't be battling 399 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: against the great grandchildren of the slave master. They're still 400 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: begging for liberation, Like it can't be that, do you 401 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? So like, I don't know what 402 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: the solution is. I think if I did, I would 403 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: have a Pulitzer and a Nobel Peace Prize under my belt, right, Like. 404 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 2: I would like to give you a Pulitzer and a 405 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: Nobel Peace Prize already. But I would also say moments 406 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 2: like this, honestly, they're opportunities, right. I mean, if he 407 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 2: came out now and said, man, I messed up and 408 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 2: I'm going to work to make things right or something 409 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 2: like that, Like these are the moments where we see 410 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: how messed up things are, but there are also opportunities 411 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 2: to like look at the real issue and correct it. 412 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: And I don't know, it's just the deviciousness is so 413 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: deep right now. 414 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: But what I will say is that I absolutely applaud 415 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: like you did earlier. I applaud CMT for pulling the video. 416 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: And the fact is that, you know, maybe the reason 417 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: why the song wasn't pulled two months ago is because 418 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: tons of people put out music right, Like tons of 419 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,360 Speaker 1: people put out music on a day to day basis, 420 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: but once you see the visuals associated with what it 421 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: is that he is singing about, you can't disassociate the 422 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: two and pretend that it's it's not what it is 423 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: that he's saying, right, And I applaud them for taking 424 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: the steps, because this is their base, this is who 425 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: they're this is you know, this is a part of 426 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: their basis, not the whole you know, country music bass, 427 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 1: but it's sure as hell is a good amount of 428 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: it right country music. Though to that point, I have watched, 429 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: even from Afar, watched it become so much more diverse 430 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: than it was twenty years ago, right when they silenced 431 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: the Dixie Chicks, and like the only people that you 432 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: saw were white folks on stage. That's no longer the thing. 433 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 1: And I think that they recognize that their audience is 434 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: a lot more diverse, you know, than it was, you know, 435 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: twenty thirty years ago. So bravo to them for taking 436 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: the steps to you know, to do what's right. 437 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 2: And we'll have to see what happens now. I mean, 438 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 2: there are well we can talk about this next time. 439 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 2: But he's actually supposed to perform at a at a 440 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 2: benefit concert for victims of the mass shooting at the 441 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 2: Covenant School in Nashville. 442 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: I mean, it's he should be, that should be, that 443 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: invite should be rescinded, and. 444 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 2: There's a big tribute at the Rhyman and stuff like that. 445 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 2: So again, how people respond again, I would follow people 446 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 2: like Jason Isbel who are really really coming out strong 447 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 2: I think here. But it'll be interesting to see what 448 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 2: this moment. I mean, it just seems to I'm just 449 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 2: so tired of like you get called on your shit 450 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 2: and then you cancel culture as opposed to like owning 451 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 2: what you did right. And so we'll have to see 452 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: what the response is. But I would say that maybe 453 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 2: some important voices will come out of this that are 454 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 2: that are counter voices to the narrative we're talking about. 455 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: Well, we will have to leave it there today. Jonathan 456 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: is on that with another controversy next week. But I 457 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: really do appreciate you bringing our attention to this because 458 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: I think that it's important. And while he should while 459 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: again I will say, this was not an unforced error. 460 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: It should have never happened. He did it for the clicks. 461 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: He did it for you know, he did it for 462 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: the provocation of it all. 463 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 2: Well, and yeah, it's also like I guarantee you, like, 464 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 2: people who are making like this, oh it's cancel culture 465 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 2: are the same people who at one time were saying. 466 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: To cancel the Dixie Chicks and other people. 467 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 2: But I'm saying that like, like, it's very very easy 468 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 2: for people to say, oh, rap music is glorifying violence 469 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 2: and culture and stuff like that. So in a way, like, 470 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 2: if if that's your critique, rap is glorifying violence, where 471 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 2: sometimes rap does glorify violence. But if that's your if 472 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 2: that's your metric, then you know, then you should take 473 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: a stand here and say we don't want this music 474 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 2: and this video glorifying violence violence. 475 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: One hundred Thank you Jonathan for always giving us deep 476 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,239 Speaker 1: analysis and more food for thought. We appreciate you hanging there. 477 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 2: Everybody. 478 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: That is it for me today, Dear friends on woke 479 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: a f as always, Power to the people and to 480 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.