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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Hi? Everybody, welcome to Are you a Charlotte? Today?

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Speaker 1: We have a really fun guest is Caroline Aaron, who

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Speaker 1: was in the first season. She is an incredible actress

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Speaker 1: who has done Broadway film, She's worked with amazing directors

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Speaker 1: and so many incredible parts on television. She's incredible. We

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Speaker 1: have a great conversation. We talk about Michael Patrick King,

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Speaker 1: who she's known forever and loves. So please join us

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Speaker 1: for a fun talk with Caroline Erin. Welcome. Welcome, Caroline Aaron.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you, so exciting to you.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're so sweet. We I mean, first of all,

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Speaker 1: when they printed out your look at the number of

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Speaker 1: papers I have about your resume. My good lord, I

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Speaker 1: don't even know where to start, but we're going to

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Speaker 1: start with sex and the City because I swear were you.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, there's so many things I could talk

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Speaker 1: to you about. Your career is so amazing, which I

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Speaker 1: knew but now I really really know. And props. Okay,

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Speaker 1: thank you sweet are it's so so so nice. So

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Speaker 1: tell me. I love to ask people what they remember

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Speaker 1: this would have been what nineteen ninety eight?

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Speaker 2: Was that the first season?

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Speaker 1: Yep, you were on the first season.

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Speaker 2: Wait, you're wow? I know wow. And I'm only thirty

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Speaker 2: so that was twenty so I must have been three,

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Speaker 2: So I mus have been three years old.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. We were all little babies, all of us.

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Speaker 2: Much little babies. Yes, this is what I remember. Of

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Speaker 2: many things that I remember, I remember meeting Sarah. I

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Speaker 2: had never met her before. Okay, I think I said

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Speaker 1: She's tiny.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was itty bitty. So that was like really different.

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Speaker 2: And I knew all that, you know, I'd met Michael

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Speaker 2: Patrick King doing a play that he wrote. Oh which

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Speaker 2: time ago before he was mattress Michael Patrick King, and

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Speaker 2: Darren and I knew Andrea King, who was a writer

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Speaker 2: during that first season, but I didn't know, if you

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Speaker 2: ladies right, it was sort of right at the beginning.

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Speaker 2: And I'm thinking when I first got there, I was

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Speaker 1: But listen, I felt the same way because I was

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Speaker 1: So I was like, this, this is the life, and

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Speaker 1: you knew Michael Patrick years before.

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Speaker 2: Yes, years before, I knewhim, and I think I knew Darren.

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Speaker 2: I mean they just asked me. So it was hot

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Speaker 2: I just want to be there for my friends that

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Speaker 2: Harry hadn't shown up. I did a Broadway show with it.

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Speaker 1: Ah. I love that well you I think you have

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Speaker 2: A play called I Hate Hamlet?

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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to him about that. Now. This

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Speaker 2: when something's being done by committee, not everybody's going to

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Speaker 2: You know, Yes, you're dealing with one person who has this,

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Speaker 2: And then you guys snatched him up and kept him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you do everything like you do multi cam.

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Speaker 2: it's it's the part. Yeah, It's always about what is

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Speaker 1: Haha. I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my question for you about choosing roles, if that's

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Speaker 2: I know it made me miss my mother every day.

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Speaker 2: the name of the article was called The mother Load.

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Speaker 2: And originally they were going to interview me about Mazel.

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Speaker 1: thought it was later but first season, we hadn't even

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Speaker 1: been on the air, right, so you definitely.

436
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Speaker 2: Knew that it was the city exactly, you know what

437
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Speaker 2: I mean. It was like and I, yeah, wonder what

438
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 2: people are going to like this? You know, it's oh,

439
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 2: it's you know. I when people would interview me about

440
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,160
Speaker 2: Maisiel and they'd go, why do you think it's a hit?

441
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 2: And I would go and it was a When they

442
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,199
Speaker 2: first sent it to me, I was like, Okay, this

443
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 2: is great. Jews will like it. New Yorkers will like it.

444
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 2: I guess that's a lot of people. And then it

445
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 2: turned out that it blew up internationally and we did

446
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 2: press all over the world, and I would ask people

447
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 2: all the time, like we were in Milan doing press

448
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,680
Speaker 2: and there were all these journalists that came in from

449
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 2: like Sweeten and Brazil and this place, and I'm like,

450
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 2: why do they like? Where do they line up?

451
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 1: Yeah?

452
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 2: Find find a place to relate to. And it was

453
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Speaker 2: one of the most interesting things that I heard was

454
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Speaker 2: there was a young woman, a young journalist, I think

455
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Speaker 2: she was from Sweden, and she said, we see a

456
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Speaker 2: lot of young women on television, but we don't see

457
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Speaker 2: confident women our age. Wow, Oh, she's you know, most

458
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 2: of the women they were seeing on television, you know,

459
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 2: they had boyfriend problems or parent problems or job problems

460
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 2: or whatever. They didn't see confident women. And it was

461
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 2: so meaningful to her to see a woman who was

462
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 2: ambitious and confident in her thirties. And I, wow, isn't

463
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 2: that interesting? I thought that was interesting. And also it's

464
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 2: about family and everything else, even if it's not even

465
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 2: if your specifics are not their specifics, I think. And

466
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 2: it's about dreamers dream and I think people like really

467
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 2: really responded to that, and so it was a big mystery.

468
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Speaker 2: And I felt the same way when my friends all

469
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 2: started on Sex and the City because I knew Dark,

470
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 2: I knew Michael, and I knew one of your writers

471
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Speaker 2: at that time, this woman Andrea King, who's a wonderful writer.

472
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Speaker 2: And I think we had become friendly. She was like

473
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Speaker 2: the editor of the Hollywood Reporter or she'd been in

474
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Speaker 2: journalism in some way.

475
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Speaker 1: Wow. Oh, I didn't know that, yeah.

476
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 2: And was like one of her best friends. He asked her,

477
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: you know, to come to the party, and I remember wondering, people,

478
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: I don't like this.

479
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: I mean, we wondered as well.

480
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Speaker 2: We were staring to know from you you didn't the scripture,

481
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 2: cheating a pilot, you go, I don't know.

482
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Speaker 1: I mean, we knew that we loved it, you know,

483
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Speaker 1: I think that we had I mean, I know, for myself,

484
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Speaker 1: I had a sense of how special and different it was.

485
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Speaker 1: You know, certainly I had been I had been my

486
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Speaker 1: out of work afterself in New York, and then I

487
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Speaker 1: had gone to LA because there was more work, right,

488
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 1: and then in LA everything was much more you know, soundstagey.

489
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Speaker 1: The guys are the leads, the girls or the girlfriends,

490
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Speaker 1: you know, all of that kind of thing. So for me,

491
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Speaker 1: it was something where I thought that this is like

492
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Speaker 1: shocking basically that four of us are here, you know,

493
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Speaker 1: with our own storylines walking around Manhattan at night time,

494
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Speaker 1: like yay. But I didn't know if it would resonate

495
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Speaker 1: out in the world, and we all really thought that

496
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Speaker 1: it might just well, Sirjisca says that she didn't even

497
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: really think about the success part, which is super interesting.

498
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Speaker 1: But I do think she's very you know, kind of

499
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Speaker 1: what you're saying about the part. She's kind of project focused,

500
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: you know, she's not big picture focused. I myself, I

501
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: felt like I want this to keep going, and I

502
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: hope we can get at least a niche type following,

503
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, and wouldn't that be great?

504
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 2: Right?

505
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 1: And obviously it unfolded in a very different and fantastic way,

506
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Speaker 1: but we none of us saw that coming. You could

507
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Speaker 1: never see that coming.

508
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Speaker 2: You know. It was really interesting when I went back

509
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Speaker 2: and watched this episode. So we are saying it was, well.

510
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Speaker 1: Here did you say the first season ninety eight?

511
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Speaker 2: Okay, so it's ninety eight and there was all of

512
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Speaker 2: this talk about oral sex for women, and I like,

513
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Speaker 2: I'm rewatching it now and going that was radical. Yeah,

514
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: it's radical. It doesn't feel radical right now to revisit it,

515
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Speaker 2: you know, to have that conversation with your character about

516
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Speaker 2: when you said I don't like it, and even a

517
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Speaker 2: woman saying I don't like it, I don't want to

518
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 2: do it. It's not for me, and I'm like, going, wow,

519
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: this is pretty brave.

520
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, we were scared.

521
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was really brave. I don't think people can

522
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 2: for now can even realize how brave it was.

523
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, things have changed in some ways so much,

524
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: and then other things have not changed, which is really

525
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Speaker 1: interesting to look at. I remember being nervous about so

526
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Speaker 1: many elements of it and thinking like, are people just

527
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Speaker 1: going to be outraged, like, oh my god, turn this off,

528
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: you know.

529
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 2: Exactly, nobody should see this. It was like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

530
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Speaker 2: it would have been you know, you would have thought

531
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Speaker 2: it was late night cable.

532
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Speaker 1: Right because it did have that element. It did have

533
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Speaker 1: that element, and there were I remember the press that

534
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Speaker 1: came out in the beginning, and a lot of it

535
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Speaker 1: that was kind of male driven reviewers kind of snow,

536
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Speaker 1: you know, reviewers was very negative, very negative, and part

537
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Speaker 1: of us was I remember, I'm not a big review

538
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: person anyway, but it trickled down to me generally speaking,

539
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: and we were just like, we're not gonna be That's

540
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: not who we're making the show for. We're just gonna

541
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Speaker 1: block it out. We're not making the show for these

542
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: white guys who write for papers, you know. Yeah, And

543
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: that is a good skill to have anyway, because you

544
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Speaker 1: can't really do your job if you're worrying about them.

545
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Speaker 2: My daughter told me when she first discovered it, she's

546
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Speaker 2: twenty at out care. So let's say, you know, she's

547
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Speaker 2: the second round of audience members for Sex.

548
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Speaker 1: In the City, second or third, Yeah, second or third.

549
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 2: So she started like, let's say five years ago or

550
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Speaker 2: whatever it was. So I kept saying to her, so said,

551
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Speaker 2: why do you like it? What's in it for you said,

552
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: because it's women talking about sex. We don't ever get

553
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 2: to see that. And that was say, that was a

554
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Speaker 2: couple of years ago.

555
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Speaker 1: That's incredible.

556
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Speaker 2: So that has not happened, you know, like it's it

557
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 2: still occupies that own the loan territory, which is crazy.

558
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: Is that crazy? Yeah, it's crazy, said, some things have

559
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: stayed the same. Yeah, for young women who want to

560
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: have that conversation or see that conversation, it was very

561
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 2: She felt very much like it was a source for her.

562
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: Yay, I like that. I mean, younger women say that

563
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: to me, and I'm pretty sure. I'm happy. Like sometimes

564
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: I feel a little nervous, like, oh my god, I

565
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: don't know, uh, you know, because we were trying. We're

566
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: playing very flawed characters obviously, you know, or it wouldn't

567
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: be interesting. But then on the other hand, I think, no,

568
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: I think that the main message is, you know, we're

569
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: representing so many different viewpoints and we're all together in it.

570
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: That's right, you know, the friends And I think that's

571
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: a powerful message.

572
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 2: And for each other. And you're also imperfect and you

573
00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 2: remember in their Internet Instagram generation, perfection is always being

574
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: put in front of them and making them feel really insecure.

575
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: And then they watched this show and it's not about perfection.

576
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: It's about insuality for women. And I think that's a comfort.

577
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: Really absolutely, thank god, you know, I'm just so so

578
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: happy to be a part of it. Yeah, it's amazing.

579
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: I have a pressing, pressing question for you.

580
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 2: Oh good, I'm excited. I love pressing.

581
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: Are you a Charlotte?

582
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I mean, let's see, Am I

583
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 2: a Charlotte? I don't think so.

584
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: No, what are you?

585
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's think. The reason I was saying

586
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: that I wasn't a Charlotte is I feel like Charlotte

587
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 2: stays in the lines of the coloring book, or she

588
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: used to, and that's where her comfort is is. And

589
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Speaker 2: I don't think. I think I always felt very other. Oh,

590
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: and I don't think Charlotte is the character on that

591
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: show that's other.

592
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: You're so right. Yeah, you're so right.

593
00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: And I don't think probably if I had to be

594
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Speaker 2: one of the four, i'd be.

595
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: Cynthia yeah, Miranda. Yeah, Miranda, you seem like a Miranda

596
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: to me. She's very intellectual, but she's also like says

597
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: it like she sees it, you know. Yeah, yeah, I like.

598
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: That, and she's kind of she's willing to go into

599
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: uncharted territory certainly now in her character. But yeah, four,

600
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, she's yeah to go out

601
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: there and say, Okay, I don't know if this is

602
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: going to work out for beer or not. Charlotte seems

603
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: a little risk at first.

604
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Speaker 1: Well, I have to say the funny thing, I totally agree.

605
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: And I know why you're saying that, because she was

606
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: so focused on her goal of marriage and whatnot. But

607
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: when you actually look back when we finished the series,

608
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: the first series, they did a book called Kiss and Tell,

609
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: and in the back of the book they put all

610
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: the guys that each character had been with, and guess

611
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: who had been with the most guys.

612
00:29:52,200 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: Now, Charlotte is the slut, so a study girl. I know.

613
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: I also was a little shocked. I was like wow,

614
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: But I mean, in some way, so in some ways

615
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: she's got this kind of more traditional picture she's trying

616
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: to create, right, but she was pretty adventurous in terms

617
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: of how she was going to get there, which is interesting.

618
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting?

619
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Speaker 1: I know, yeah, it's also surprising when I watched, when

620
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: I rewatched back to the early days, I'm like, wow,

621
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: I am all over the place, man. I mean, it's fun,

622
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: it's fun to watch, and I don't I don't always

623
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: remember those parts, you know, because I think her through

624
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: line was always this much more traditional thing, which was

625
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: kind of my role right on the in the mix,

626
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: and that was it's not really my life. So I

627
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: had to work hard on making that, you know, grounded. Yeah,

628
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: but it is interesting to think about it. I mean, yeah,

629
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: she's she's done some slightly crazy things, but that's okay.

630
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: It's fun, you know, why not? She has friends with Samantha,

631
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: so you know, show.

632
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: Going off the air, Sex in the City. How many

633
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: years was it until just like that? When did that?

634
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: Well, the movies were in between, right, So like for me,

635
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: it all blends like I have to remind myself of

636
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: the actual shifts and breaks that happened because obviously, like

637
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: we're there together still, right, so it still feels like

638
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: the show, except that we're getting ready to air season

639
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: three of it, just like that, and I watched the

640
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: first one. I'm like, oh no, these shows are very different.

641
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: They're very different. It's so fascinating. You know, same characters,

642
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: but the vibe, like the way that we shooted and

643
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: the pattern and the timing and kind of the subject matter,

644
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: all of it very different. It's super interesting.

645
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: That's so great. That's so great.

646
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: It is it's a very rare situation. But in between,

647
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: to answer your question, we did the first film I

648
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: think was released in two thousand and eight. I think

649
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: we went off the air in like oh four, I

650
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Speaker 1: feel like wow. And then so then the movie, the

651
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: second movie would have been roughly twenty ten, twenty eleven,

652
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Speaker 1: something like that. Then we took a kind of a

653
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: long break, but we saw everyone we're saying with your cab,

654
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: So you had a through line, you know personally.

655
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Speaker 2: Right right, and what you guys have, what your own

656
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: personal lives have evolved. You became mothers, you became wives,

657
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: you know, all those things happened to you guys along

658
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Speaker 2: the way, which is which is also very exciting because

659
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: you do bring that whenever you know, the great director

660
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: Peter Brooks said, you know that which is truly personal

661
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: as universal, and we're bringing our personal selves to whatever

662
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: we are doing as actors. And I think that's really exciting.

663
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: I agree, gotten to do that through time.

664
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Speaker 1: I agree, you're a.

665
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: Different woman than when you started this show.

666
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Speaker 1: I mean yes, like we were a little children when

667
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Speaker 1: we started this show. Really, you know, we lived lives

668
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: like lives multiple It's really fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Are you in La?

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00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: I am. I'm in La right now, getting ready to

671
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Speaker 1: go back to New York. We're back and forth still,

672
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: which is great. I love to be back and forth. Yeah,

673
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: I aint't ready to do the press for and just

674
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: like that, which is fun but also stressful in this

675
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: new streaming world, you know, because it's just like a blast,

676
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: like you just blasted out there, you know what I mean.

677
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: I took a picture of all of the underwear I

678
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: had on the years we were going to you know,

679
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: when you're going through the Emmys and the Golden Globes

680
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: campaign problems I understand.

681
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah, the shoes and.

682
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: The clothes and the underwear. And I was like, oh

683
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: my god, I'm doing a show about feminism and look

684
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: what I have to put on.

685
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: No joke, no joke.

686
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: I know.

687
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Speaker 1: It's really an interesting thing and sometimes you can go like,

688
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to do this. I mean, certainly in

689
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: my regular life, I just wore my jeans and my

690
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: Adidas and I'm not going to be bothered. But that

691
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: is the joy of what we do in a way,

692
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: too write, because if you don't do it for a while,

693
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: don't you kind of crave the costumes? Yes, exactly, Yeah,

694
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: I mean too.

695
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Speaker 2: And I a lot. And you know, because Sex and

696
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: the City has also been about fashion, and I didn't

697
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: know anything about fashion until I did Masel and I

698
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: was like, wow, it's quite a subject and it's really interesting.

699
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 2: I do think that fashion is the breadcrumbs of the

701
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 2: times we live in. Yeah, I can know a lot

702
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 2: about us from fashion.

703
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's a really valid point. And I think our issue,

704
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: I think sometimes with Sex and the City is that

705
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: it almost seemed like fashion overtook the actual stories, you know,

706
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: the actual storylines, and we felt some stress, like it

707
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: seemed like we were just trying to sell shoes, which

708
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: was really never our intention. It just grew, you know,

709
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: and then I think we felt this this this pull

710
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: away from that when we came back for just like

711
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: that partly based on the stories. Also, like we you know,

712
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: there was mourning and death and whatnot. We didn't want

713
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: to be like running around and head to toe gucci,

714
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: you know, necessarily. So it's interesting because you want to

715
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: have the through line be there, but at the same

716
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: time we're going through different things, so that's going to

717
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: be reflected and what we're wearing. It's always super interesting.

718
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: It's always super interesting to think about it.

719
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Speaker 2: It's really funny about on MASL which I never said

720
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: in any interviews was and this never has happened, is

721
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: that four of the seven regulars were over fifty. Amazing,

722
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: amazing and amazing. I'm on a TV show. It's like,

723
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Speaker 2: who am I gonna have lunch with? I'm the only

724
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 2: one who's over fifty?

725
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: I understand, Yeah, we're in the same boat over there.

726
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: And then just like that.

727
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: Exactly, you're the only one. Then I go, wow, take

728
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: a note, you know what I mean? Like this, Yes,

729
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: this could take a note. And it wasn't about being

730
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: over fifty. No, that it's okay. You could put characters

731
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: on the air all different ages, and you don't you know,

732
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: there is this feeling that you know, the thirty and

733
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: under is where where the pot of gold is. But

734
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: maybe fairly maybe.

735
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: And also why can't all the stories get told right exactly?

736
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: Why not? You know? I mean, I know, we're so

737
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: lucky that we get to do our show. I fully,

738
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: fully understand that. But sometimes when people are like, you know,

739
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: are you shocked that you know, you ladies who are

740
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: over fifty are getting to be on the television, I mean, like,

741
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: it's hard not to be offended, like, why wouldn't we

742
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: get to be on the television?

743
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: Well? Why because there it hasn't happened for you know what.

744
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: It is messed up. It's just so messed.

745
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: Up, it's so wrong. I remember I actually sold a

746
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: television pitch many years ago. I'd never done it before,

747
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 2: for a show that I wanted to see about women.

748
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 2: And we got to the point of having auditions, and

749
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember this company, Carcy Warner.

750
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: But Marcia, yeah, of course.

751
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: I put a friend of mine down on the list

752
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 2: to come in an audition, and after she had she's

753
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 2: a brilliant actress, and Marcy went like this to me,

754
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: what is she thirty? Like that? And I went, no,

755
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: she's not, But I said, because I played my daughter

756
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 2: in a play and so I know her, and I went,

757
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: but I said, so is the moral of the story

758
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 2: that when you get your period you shed just cut

759
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: up your sad card? And she said pretty much that's

760
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 2: what she said.

761
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. I mean it's so I'm saying. But

762
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: I do remember as a young actor being so worried

763
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: that I wasn't successful. I wasn't successful until I was thirty,

764
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I'm only going to have

765
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: ten more years and it's going to be over. That's it, right,

766
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: because that was how we were brandwashed, and.

767
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: Everybody seemed to accept it as a truth exactly. Every

768
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: time that truth gets disproved, like by your show or

769
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: our show or whatever. Yeah, like so relieved. Not no,

770
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: not that they catch up to that truth.

771
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: No, no, I know they forget immediately.

772
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: They forget immediately. But it's like, that's what I want

773
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: to see, is like I want to see everybody. I'm

774
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: we too. I want to see it all. I want

775
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: to see young people and older people and old old

776
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 2: people and yes, the human ex yes, what our.

777
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: Job, yes, yes, yes, God, yes, all right, you're a joy.

778
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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us.

779
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 2: So great, give my love to everybody.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I will, I will, I will I talked

781
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: to Michael soon. Okay, bye, k bye, honey,