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Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 3: On each EPP episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now

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Speaker 3: know that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and

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Speaker 3: so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. On

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Speaker 3: our episode today, you'll meet Annette Bricca. Now I have

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Speaker 3: to tell you she's a fast talker, but she has

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Speaker 3: so much energy and information to share that, although you

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Speaker 3: might need to listen closely, I promise you her story

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Speaker 3: is incredibly powerful and worth every second. We're going to

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Speaker 3: hear about a life that has been anything but ordinary.

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Speaker 3: You'll hear the story of how she survived a kidnapping

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Speaker 3: at the age of twelve by remembering a vision she

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Speaker 3: had years earlier. You'll learn how, while still just a teenager,

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Speaker 3: began working with the FBI to help solve missing children's

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Speaker 3: cases using her psychic gifts. She also shares the deeply

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Speaker 3: personal and recent loss of both her dog and her husband, Vinnie,

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Speaker 3: and the incredible spiritual events that surrounded his passing. But

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Speaker 3: before we dive into our story, I want to tell

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Speaker 3: you something important to me and to all of us

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Speaker 3: who are grieving. I rarely interview mediums unless they meet

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Speaker 3: a specific standard. Grieving people, as you may well know,

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Speaker 3: are experiencing the most pain imaginable. Just like we go

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Speaker 3: to highly trained and skilled doctors when we are physically ill,

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Speaker 3: we need to find highly trained and ethical mediums when

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Speaker 3: our hearts are breaking. That is why I always recommend

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Speaker 3: that you never book a medium reading unless that medium

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Speaker 3: offers a ten minute guarantee. What does this mean? It

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Speaker 3: means if the medium doesn't give you good evidential proof

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Speaker 3: of your loved one in the first ten minutes, or

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Speaker 3: perhaps the medium doesn't feel they have a good connection

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Speaker 3: with you, either of you can stop the reading right there.

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Speaker 3: You can choose to reschedule or ask for your money

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Speaker 3: back with no hard feelings. All the best mediums I

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Speaker 3: know work this way because they cannot force a connection

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Speaker 3: and they want you to be healed, not just sold

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Speaker 3: a service. I'm happy to tell you that my guest today,

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Speaker 3: a net Brica, confirms she offers this guarantee because she

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Speaker 3: So get ready for a fast paced, fascinating and truly

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Speaker 3: evidential filled episode a net Brica. Welcome to Shades of

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Speaker 3: the Afterlife.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Santra, my honor and I appreciate you having

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Speaker 4: And the first thing I want to say is, I

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Speaker 1: He passed away in August so even I was blown

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you for sharing that. No matter what we

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Speaker 3: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. We're here with medium Annette Bricca, whose

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Speaker 1: He told me he was going to pass by eight

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we see in that case, especially John Benet in

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Speaker 1: she was peering over me, and I just thought, like

429
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Speaker 1: damn it. At seven years old, I realized, like, ah,

430
00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,679
Speaker 1: I'm back. And then I didn't tell anybody in my

431
00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,240
Speaker 1: family that day because I lived with my mom and

432
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Speaker 1: I didn't want to tell her because she was so

433
00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,920
Speaker 1: messed up. I waited to talk to my father, who

434
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Speaker 1: lived in another state. The next day. I told him

435
00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,199
Speaker 1: what happened, and he believed me, and his mother was

436
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,399
Speaker 1: the psychic in Chicago, and she believed me. But I

437
00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,480
Speaker 1: think they thought because I was so young, it was

438
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,359
Speaker 1: too much of an experience. And I said, no, no, no,

439
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,720
Speaker 1: it was great because from that moment on, I realized,

440
00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,199
Speaker 1: at seven years old, that there was a bigger picture

441
00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,040
Speaker 1: than what we know here. I just instantly got it.

442
00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,800
Speaker 1: I don't even know how I got it from that experience.

443
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,560
Speaker 1: It's like I say, very often, I went from being

444
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,119
Speaker 1: seven to like thirty, even though I was still a kid,

445
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 1: I was acting like a kid. I didn't worry about anything.

446
00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,919
Speaker 1: I didn't worry about normal kid things because I just thought, like,

447
00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,160
Speaker 1: what I'm out here, I'll be on the other side,

448
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,359
Speaker 1: and that's fabulous. And then my spirit guide actually started

449
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,680
Speaker 1: coming to me, like he would appear in my doorway.

450
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Speaker 1: My sister, who was a year younger, Barbara, saw him

451
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 1: as well. I told my grandmother, Oh, he keeps coming

452
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 1: to me, what do I do? She just name him

453
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,440
Speaker 1: and I couldn't be bothered. I named him David because

454
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Speaker 1: I had a friend who was like my age next door.

455
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Speaker 1: His name was David. I thought, you know how, I

456
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 1: was just gonna name you David because I don't care.

457
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,160
Speaker 1: And I said, and I don't really want you coming

458
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 1: to me. I'll let you know what I'm interested in.

459
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,160
Speaker 1: My grandmother, it's like, doesn't really work that way. I'm

460
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 1: like again, I still just wanted to ride my bike

461
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 1: and listen to Andy gamb and just be a kid.

462
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 1: And then I was shown when I was ten, like

463
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Speaker 1: a videotape of my life of all these things that

464
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Speaker 1: would transpire, but I did not see my face. And

465
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Speaker 1: at that point, I I've seen many things in my life,

466
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 1: like I knew when somebody in my family would pass over,

467
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 1: I would see their faces melting. I would know things

468
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 1: that would happen, but I never did anything psychically. I

469
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 1: didn't tell if my uncle died. I would tell my

470
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 1: family that I knew he was going to die, but

471
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 1: I didn't go tell my friends or neighbors or kind

472
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 1: of kept a private because I didn't want to do it.

473
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Speaker 1: Like I kept telling my grandmother, I'm not going to

474
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 1: do this for a living. I was a kid. I

475
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 1: didn't want to do anything for a living. I was

476
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 1: just ten at the time, and so one of the

477
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Speaker 1: things that I did see during this videotape was a

478
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Speaker 1: girl that was about twelve years old, and it was

479
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Speaker 1: like in real time. So imagine watching a movie and

480
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Speaker 1: you're like trying to cheer the main character on when

481
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Speaker 1: they're in a scary situation. And I saw this girl

482
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Speaker 1: at twelve being abducted from her home and that she

483
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Speaker 1: would be raped and kidnapped over a period of days

484
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Speaker 1: and tortured. I saw it all happening, and at that time,

485
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Speaker 1: I didn't have a frame of reference. Even though I

486
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 1: lived not a really great childhood, I wasn't privy to

487
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: those things. I knew what somebody being raped, I think

488
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 1: kind of was not even really, I just knew it

489
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,959
Speaker 1: was a scary thing. I knew what kidnapping would be,

490
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: but I didn't know anybody at the time that had

491
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 1: ever been through that. So when I saw this, I

492
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: kept telling you, the girl in the video that I

493
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: was watching, You're gonna stay alive. You're gonna get out

494
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,880
Speaker 1: of this. I don't know how, just keep your head

495
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 1: above water. And then we fast forward two years from

496
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 1: then and I had moved from Chicago, where I was

497
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: living with my mom. We moved to Arizona, then we

498
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: moved to Michigan again. It was her, her boyfriend, and

499
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 1: my brother and my sister. And that happened to me

500
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: over Labor Day weekend when I was going into seventh grade.

501
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 1: I was twelve years old. I was kidnapped on a

502
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Speaker 1: Friday night from my home. And do you know the

503
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Speaker 1: Amnyville House, How it's so big and it has all

504
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: these different rooms. My home in Michigan kind of looked

505
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 1: like that. I was sleeping on the third story of

506
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: that home. So in order to find me, you would

507
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,199
Speaker 1: actually have to know how the house was laid out.

508
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 1: There's no way you could have because actually my brother

509
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,239
Speaker 1: and my sister were sleeping also in that house on

510
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: the lower levels. So if you wanted to just grab

511
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 1: a kid, let's say, you woult to go up all

512
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: these old stairs to find me. And I was even

513
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: in like a makeshift bedroom. It wasn't even one of

514
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: the regular bedrooms, so you had to know exactly where

515
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: to get me. So they did kidnap me. They put

516
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: duct table over my eyes, on my mouth, They led

517
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 1: me downstairs. There was a car waiting for me. They

518
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: drove me to a house that ended up being about

519
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: four miles away, but I didn't know because I was

520
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: laying in the backseat of the car. And then from

521
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: that moment on, a lot of terrible things happened to

522
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 1: me over that three day period. And one of the

523
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: things that happened was there was a Christian radio station on.

524
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: By about the third day, I was laying on a

525
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: crack mattress. I had this tape on my mouth and

526
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 1: my eyes the whole time, and they were beating me,

527
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 1: and I really felt at that time like I was

528
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: probably going to die pretty soon. I was having a

529
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 1: hard time breathing. I was really really in bad shape.

530
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: And this radio station all of a sudden said, if

531
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: you believe in God, God will help you. Just ask

532
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: God for help. But I thought, you have got to

533
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: be kidding me. God, I'm sure you're busy, but I

534
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: could use help. I need help. And a sudden I

535
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: got the nerve to take off the tape off my eyes,

536
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: and I saw that I was on a second story window,

537
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: and I saw that the shears were billowing, so I

538
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 1: knew the window was open. And right next to me

539
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: on this mattress was a phone, like an actual landline

540
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: on the ground, and I thought, you got to be

541
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: kidding me. I picked it up. I called my mom's

542
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 1: house and the FBI were there. So at that time,

543
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy nine, as a miner, they didn't show

544
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: your name on TV, but I had been all over

545
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 1: the TV and so the FBAI. I got on the

546
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: phone and they said, look out the window. Try to

547
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 1: describe where you are, but I couldn't because there were homeses.

548
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: It looked similar to like where I lived. And they said, listen,

549
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: you're on day three. You're not going to live much longer.

550
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: They will kill you. You have to get out of there,

551
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: And in that moment, I just put my clothes on it,

552
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: and I heard them come back upstairs. I put the

553
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: tape back on my eyes. Then they did what they did,

554
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: and then after about a half hour, I realized I

555
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: would have to jump out of the window. And that's

556
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: what I did. I jumped out of a second story window.

557
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: I broke my foot. I hoppled to the next door

558
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: neighbor who was like a thirty year old guy who

559
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: was working on his corvette. He was laying under I

560
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 1: saw his feet and I was crying, and he came

561
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: off from underneath and he said, are you're the girl

562
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: that's been on TV? And I said yes, and we

563
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: went to his house. We called the police and the

564
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: nine one one, the police and the FBI and my

565
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: mom showed up. And then after that point they were caught.

566
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Speaker 1: We had a trial. And when I was preparing for

567
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: my trial, those two FBI agents that were in my

568
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 1: house said how did you get the narve to jump

569
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Speaker 1: out of the window? And I said, well, when I

570
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,959
Speaker 1: called you guys and you sent you got to get

571
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: yourself out of there. I remembered this videotape that I

572
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: saw when I was ten of what would happen to

573
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Speaker 1: this girl? And they actually knew who my grandmother was.

574
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Speaker 1: In Chicago. They knew that she was a famous psychic,

575
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: and they said, well, so you knew this was going

576
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: to happen. I said, well, I didn't realize it was

577
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: going to be me, but I saw what it would

578
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Speaker 1: take place.

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Speaker 3: We need a quick break and we'll be right back.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeart

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Speaker 3: Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome

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Speaker 3: back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain, our

583
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Speaker 3: guest and at BRICA as a twelve year old child

584
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Speaker 3: was treated brutally for three days, jumped out a window

585
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 3: from her attackers, made her way home, and now she

586
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 3: continues about the trial and what happened next.

587
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Speaker 1: We had a trial, and when I was preparing for

588
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: my trial, those two FBI agents that were in my

589
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: house said how did you get the nark to jump

590
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: out of the window? And I said, well, what I

591
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: called you guys, and you sent you got to get

592
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: yourself out of there. I remembered this videotape that I

593
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: saw when I was ten, of what would happen to

594
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Speaker 1: this girl. And they actually knew who my grandmother was

595
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: in Chicago. They knew that she was a famous psychic,

596
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: and they said, well, so you knew this was going

597
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: to happen. I so, well, I didn't realize it was

598
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: going to be me, but I saw what it would

599
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: take place, and I knew this girl was going to

600
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: get out of it. So like even now, Sandra, some

601
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,239
Speaker 1: people say to me, so you mean to tell me

602
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: you didn't know that was you after it happened, And

603
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: I really did it because, like so many events that

604
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: took place, you block it out, and I think on purpose.

605
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: Had I known that that was going to happen to

606
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: me two years, I would have been too afraid to

607
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: ride my biker, to listen to Andy Gibb, or be

608
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: a kid. And so when I said, I kind of

609
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: did know it was me, and that gave me the

610
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: courage to jump out. They said, well, we actually have

611
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: other missing children cases. Do you think you could help us?

612
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: And I said, well, I've never done it, I'll try it.

613
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: So when I was preparing for my own trial, I

614
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: solved two cases for the FBI when I was twelve

615
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: years old. And then we fast forward or February of

616
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty. They were both sentenced to thirty to sixty

617
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: years each in prison. They served twenty six years. Then

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Speaker 1: I moved to California. I started my life. I moved

619
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: to California after high school because I final was known

620
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: then because now I was working for the police in

621
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: the FBI while I was in eighth grade in high school,

622
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: not getting paid for it, and there was no cell phone.

623
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: So they would go to my high school, these two

624
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: FBI agents, and they would go to my guidance counselor

625
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: she would take me out of class. We would go

626
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: to our room. They'd give me a little information on

627
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: a case, and that's how we would do it. And

628
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: even people in my school thought they were my uncles.

629
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: And one if I'm was like African American could not

630
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: have been my uncle, and I'm like, okay, whatever. And

631
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: so after high school, I thought, I don't really want

632
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 1: to be known for this, because I kind of was.

633
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: I wanted to reinvent myself. So I went to California.

634
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: But I screwed up because I then started doing a

635
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: readings for a lot of really famous people. And I

636
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: did it for about four or five years, and then

637
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: I thought because I didn't have any concept of these

638
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: guys in prison, because one year a minor and something

639
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,719
Speaker 1: like this happens to you. The courts are supposed to

640
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: alert you when they get out of prison. But because

641
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: I moved in with my father after it happened, my

642
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: mother lost custody of us kids. So as soon as

643
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: the trial was over, we moved in with my dad

644
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: and we went back to Chicago that I relocated, that

645
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: I got married, then I moved to New York, so

646
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: that guess I fell through the cracks. So I only

647
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: found out two years ago. I was had an attorney

648
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: that was working on something for me, and she knew

649
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: my maiden name and she said, I've seen this girl

650
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: that was twelve in Michigan. Was this you? And I

651
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: said yes, and she said, well, one of the people

652
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: are still in prison. He re offended, but the other

653
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: one he had escaped from a prison in Schenectady in

654
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: New York before he kidnapped me, so he was on

655
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: the run for seven months. And it ends up that

656
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: he lives not too far from me. So when I

657
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: found that out, I decided to take my story public

658
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: because nobody really knew. People just thought I was psychic.

659
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: But I never wanted anybody to know my story, Like

660
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: I don't have Facebook. I don't have any social media

661
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: and I'm fifty eight. I've never had it my entire

662
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: life because I was afraid of these bad guys. And

663
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: my attorney even said that the one that lives not

664
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: far from you. He tried to sue the State of

665
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: New York because he said it was against the civil

666
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: rights not to be able to use any social media

667
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: or Facebook, because you can if you're a sex offender

668
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: to minors to that degree. Then I said, well, I

669
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: don't even have Facebook because of him. So they denied

670
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: his case against New York State. But after that, I

671
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: decided to go public and tell my story because I

672
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: didn't want to live in fear anymore. I thought, you

673
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: know what, I'm not twelve, I'm fifty eight. I've been

674
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: doing this work my whole life. And then something unexpected

675
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: happened because in all of these clients that I've been

676
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: doing readings for for many years that never knew my story.

677
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: It was like I've got a new level of respect

678
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: because I think they thought like I had kind of

679
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: a charmed life here I was doing readings for a

680
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: lot of very wealthy people, even though I was a

681
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: single parent. I was really hustling, and I made a

682
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: lot of money, but it costs all the money I

683
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: made to raise my daughter in Long Island, so I

684
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: wasn't like living high off the hawk. And I think

685
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: that people thought it's easy for me to tell them

686
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: don't worry, things will work out. But when I realized

687
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: my story and it was really horrific, I did get

688
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: another level of respect. And I'm finding that even with

689
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: Vinnie now that he passed, people that have now passed over,

690
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 1: and when I do readings for them and I'm also

691
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: in my deep grief, it hits different. It feels different

692
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: for the people that's receiving the message that.

693
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 4: Poor twelve year old. But I can't help but think

694
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 4: as awful as it was, it's really shaped you for

695
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 4: who you are today, especially working with the FBI. Can

696
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 4: you tell us a little bit about some of those cases,

697
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 4: like what kind of evidence you're able to provide to

698
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 4: help solve cases.

699
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: So, first of all, I never ever work on any

700
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: case if somebody in the family doesn't come to me.

701
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: I never ever just read the news and then insert

702
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: myself in the case, and never ever do that. So

703
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: I wait till that your family reaches out to me.

704
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: So I'm working on two cases. I'm working on a

705
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: case right now where the mother actually has been on

706
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: Nancy Gray several times. She's currently looking for her daughter.

707
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: I also am working on a case with somebody the

708
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: kid is missing, he's in Washington, he's got special needs.

709
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: That's an ongoing case too. So I am given many information.

710
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm given where they're located. But think of this. I

711
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: started doing this when I was a kid, and I

712
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: hadn't traveled much when I was twelve, so I would

713
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: see children that were missing in different states or different countries,

714
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: but I would have no idea where it was. So

715
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: I say to my spirit guide, you have to give

716
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: me information because I didn't have enough world experienced at

717
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: that time. There was a case when I was fifteen

718
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: that I worked on that there was twins that were missing.

719
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: I didn't know they were twins. I knew that there

720
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: were two kids that were siblings, and I kept picking

721
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: up that they were in two different states. But it

722
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: was easy for me now to say, oh, they were

723
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: in two different states. Took me about twelve hours to

724
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of this, and I was working

725
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: with the FBI really close and at that time It

726
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: was one of the biggest cases I had ever done,

727
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: and I didn't really know how to even put it

728
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: in words. So I would say, well, they don't seem

729
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: like they're together, and one of the FBI agents would say, well,

730
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: does it seem like they're in a different border, And

731
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, David, my spirit guide, would show

732
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: me like a doorframe, and he would show me like

733
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: those dolls where you could like break off the arms.

734
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: So what he showed me was like a doll that

735
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: was in one room, and he would show me like

736
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: the cracked off arms in another room. But he kept

737
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: showing me like when the FBI agent would say, well,

738
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: are they in a different state, I didn't know that

739
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: they were, but my spear I kept showing me like

740
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: the border, like the doorframe of a room, and I

741
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: kept seeing the next room, like to think of two bedrooms,

742
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: one with a doorframe around it for the door, and

743
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: then the next room didn't have a doorframe. And I

744
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: would say, well, I don't know if there are two

745
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: different states, but the one room has this border around it,

746
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: that's the word I kept using, but the other one

747
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: doesn't have a border. They said, oh my god, do

748
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: you think that's another state, and then David's like, yes, yes, yes,

749
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 1: so it's kind of twial near. I'm not. I've been

750
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: doing it for many years. David and I have a

751
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: better way of communicating. I can understand a lot until

752
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: he says, but it's a lot of things. I see

753
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: where they're located, I see how they pass, I see

754
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: the person that did it. So even for my own safety,

755
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: when I decided to go more public and I started

756
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: doing these podcasts a couple of years ago and I

757
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: told my story, I was concerned because again still not

758
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: on Facebook, still not on social media. I was concerned

759
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: with all these cases that I do now because there's

760
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: a lot of flawout for me and my safety and

761
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: my family safety. So I didn't want people to know

762
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: who I was. And I also want to give the

763
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: family their privacy. I feel fortunate. I don't always find

764
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: the child alive. Most of the time they're not alive,

765
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: but it does give the family closure. And in that

766
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: particular case when I was fifteen, that mother asked to

767
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: see me, so we did find that the kids, they

768
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: were not alive. And I thought when I found that

769
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: out after twelve hours, I thought that's it. My career

770
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: is over. I'm never doing it again. And so when

771
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: the FBI agent said, the mother wants to meet you,

772
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: and I thought, no, thanks, because I thought she was

773
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: gonna yell at me. I was fifteen. I thought, I'm

774
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: not doing it. They go, no, she's going to be kind,

775
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: and I remember to this day she hugged me. She

776
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't let go, and she kept hugging me, and I thought, oh,

777
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: I can't take this, this is too much. And she

778
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: said to me, I want to thank you because if

779
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't for you, you gave me closure, I would

780
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: have spent the rest of my life looking for my kids.

781
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: And then she said, I want to give you this

782
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: strength to be able to keep doing this work. And

783
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: I thought, no, I got to keep doing it because

784
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: I really thought this was it. This doesn't feel good.

785
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it. And then I had

786
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: this big dilemma. I said to my grandmother, what do

787
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: I do? Just doing you for nom, just be a kid.

788
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: But as cases come, h Rancher asked to do things

789
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: you see how you feel. Well. She was smart because

790
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: she knew what would happen when they came up. I

791
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: always said yes and that's what I do now. Never

792
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: ever say no. The only time I almost said now

793
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: was when Vinnie passed and Vinnie said, I'll help you,

794
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, how are you to help? You

795
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: don't know what to do, but he did. He knew

796
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: what to do. So it's heart wrenching. It's not the

797
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: work I would want to do, but I do it

798
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: because when I was a kid laying there not knowing

799
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: how I was going to get out. I always go

800
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: back to that, and I want to help as many

801
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: kids as I possibly can.

802
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you for that. And it's extraordinary that law

803
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 4: enforcement and the FBI trust to do at such a

804
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 4: young age.

805
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: It's so funny. I don't even know that they trusted me,

806
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: but they didn't like They just thought why not, they

807
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: weren't paying me. They actually said, if you can give

808
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: us anything that we don't know could help, let's try it.

809
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: And I only even agreed to it because I was

810
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,479
Speaker 1: going through my own trial and that sucks so bad.

811
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 1: I thought, well, give me something else to think about.

812
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: I agree to it. And then in the few months

813
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: that I was preparing for my trial and I was

814
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: helping solve these cases, it did help because it helped

815
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: kind of redirect what I was feeling and helping these kids.

816
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: And I never ever, ever take it lightly. It's a

817
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: huge responsibility and I feel grateful to even be able

818
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: to do it. But you know, I'm like everybody else.

819
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: If I lose my trkeys, I can't find them. I

820
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: actually cannot find one of my set of tarkeys. It's funny,

821
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: not funny, right, Yes.

822
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 4: We're here to serve, not necessarily ourselves. You mentioned a

823
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 4: couple time spirit guides. Would you have any advice, because I.

824
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: Know we all have them, all right, So I don't

825
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: want to sound cocky about this because I only have

826
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: my frame of reference. I was fortunate that when I

827
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: was a kid, David came to me and he actually

828
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: looked like Abraham Lincoln. He came in the doorway and

829
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: he was as tall as the doorway and he had

830
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: like a big, tall hat on. And that's why I

831
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 1: thought of Abraham Lincoln. And when my sister first saw

832
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: him was in the middle of the night we were sleeping.

833
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 1: She started crying. We shared a bedroom, and she said,

834
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: look at the doorway, and I look, and I saw him.

835
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: It was almost like a hologram. He was almost like

836
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: see through, but you could see the outline of him,

837
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: and I wasn't afraid. I didn't actually know it was

838
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: my spirit guide at the moment, but I knew he

839
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: was there for me, not bar. The next morning, we're

840
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: getting ready for school, and I didn't know if I

841
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: drunk it. I really actually didn't know if it really happened,

842
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: and she didn't want to go to school. She started

843
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: crying and she said, do you remember last night? I said, oh,

844
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: my god, I do, do you? And then we kind

845
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: of compare notes, and then I said to my grandmother,

846
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: what is this? And she goes, that's your spear guid.

847
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 1: You have to name him. He's here because he wants

848
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: to help you. And I go, well, I don't need

849
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: help because I'm not going to do your work, and

850
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: she goes, name him. And then from that moment on,

851
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: he kept coming to me. So what I tell people,

852
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: because I agree we all had spirit guides, but I

853
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: don't believe that we all not communicate with him. I say,

854
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: first of all, name them, because just like when you

855
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 1: get a dog or a puppy or you have a child,

856
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: do you name them? I said, name your spirit guide.

857
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: So I just named them David, my neighbor's name, and

858
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: I know that we all have more than one guide,

859
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: and I even knew David had more than one, but

860
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: I didn't want to deal with him, let alone his

861
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: att authory. So I said, listen, I'll talk to you.

862
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: You deal with everybody else Night Vote clients all the time.

863
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: How you can connect with your spear guide is to

864
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: do what I call this sign game.

865
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Speaker 3: We'll find out about the sign game when we get back.

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Speaker 3: You are listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the

867
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Speaker 3: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast and network.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.

869
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Speaker 3: We're here with medium Anette Brica, who's just explaining to

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Speaker 3: us how we can connect with our own spirit.

871
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: Guides Night Vote clients all the time. How you can

872
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: connect with your spear guide is to do what I

873
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: call this sign game. Once you say to your spirit guide,

874
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: here's your name, and I want you to help me

875
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: with everything that I want you to help me with,

876
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: even say whatever you don't know, you still want help

877
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: with because in the moment, it's like a neighbor. If

878
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: a neighbor comes over and moves in and brings you

879
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: a couple of coffee and says, all right, every morning

880
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: at nine o'clock, I'll meet you for coffee if you

881
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: don't want to do that with your neighbor. Pretty soon

882
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: you're like, you know what, thanks, but no thanks, I'll

883
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: let you know. So I say to a person when

884
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: you're trying to develop relationship with your spirit guide, name

885
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: your spirit guid, Tell your spirit guy what it is

886
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: you want help with. But play the sign game and

887
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: say to your spirit guide. By tomorrow at noon, I

888
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: want you to give me a sign. I want you

889
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: to show me a three legged dog or some nonsense.

890
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: And by the next day at noon, you'll either see

891
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: a three legged dog, your neighbor will talk about a

892
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: conversation with one, or somehow you'll get that confirmation. And

893
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: even though people are like, okay, yes, so I heard

894
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: about a three legged dog, but you know, is that

895
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: really my spirit guid? And I say, we'll do it

896
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: a few dimes, and I believe after you do it

897
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: a few times and you get this try and trude

898
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: confirmation that it's your spirit guard saying yes, I'm here.

899
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: We made this contract before you came into this lifetime

900
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: and now use me in any capacity that you can.

901
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: It's some blind faith, but if you have it, it

902
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: can change your life.

903
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 4: We have to ask them for help.

904
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: You'd have to ask because here's the thing. I believe

905
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: they try to help us all day long, but we

906
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: don't catch on. I believe before we incarnate. So when

907
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 1: we're two spiritual beings sitting on the other side, we're

908
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: brave and we say to our spirit guide, listen, I'm

909
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: gonna go back in because I want to learn from

910
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: my soul's perfection. And they say to us, all right, well,

911
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: when you do that, I'll be your spirit guide. But

912
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: you're not gonna remember, but I'm going to remind you.

913
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: And I think throughout the day every day our spirit

914
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: GUYE gives this cues and clues, but we just dismiss

915
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: it if we're not really paying attention. There's lots of

916
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: things that say, well it could have been, but I

917
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: don't have enough proof. So I do think that they're

918
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: trying to always like jump up and well learn us,

919
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: like hey, I'm here. I think most people don't just

920
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: trust in it that you know, they have to play

921
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: all these like crazy games to verify that it is

922
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: your spirit guide.

923
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Speaker 4: Okay, well, Annette, you say on your website at netbrika

924
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 4: dot com, you mentioned that you help people transform challenges

925
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 4: into stepping stones. We have a lot of listeners right

926
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 4: now who are in the thick of tragedy, grief, loss.

927
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 4: What's a stepping stone or two that you might know

928
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 4: to send.

929
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: All my clients, I tell them, when you go through

930
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: something very very difficult, which we all do, I believe

931
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: that we're going through it for our soul's evolution. I

932
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: don't believe it's like the universe is picking on us.

933
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: And if we can be very intentional during the time,

934
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: know that again we're not a victim, even if we are,

935
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: like I was a victim, but I realized, like I

936
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: have to now look at the other side of this.

937
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: How am I going to navigate my life? So we

938
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: have to make hard decisions, We have to have a plan.

939
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: We have to figure out how am I going to

940
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: get out of this difficult time without feeling to sigh

941
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: for myself? So I think participation is required. I think

942
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 1: that we have to step up if we're just always

943
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: vibrating low and always oh I feel bad I got divorced,

944
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: or I don't have enough money, or I lost my job,

945
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: or I was kidnapped or whatever the case is. If

946
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: you spend too much time living in the poor meat

947
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: and not what am I going to do to get

948
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: out of this, and you're not making intentional decisions and

949
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: not having a plan, I don't know that you can easily.

950
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: And I think that your life is very, very difficult.

951
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: And that's what I mean by the stepping stones. Whenever

952
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: I have a client that I've had for a long

953
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: time that says to me, listen, things suck, I actually

954
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: want to jump up and down. I'm like, oh my god,

955
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 1: good for you, because something major, transformative is about to happen.

956
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: You got to get through this. You have to help

957
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: yourself get through this. But then know that your whole

958
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: life is going to burst open. So we're always uncomfortable

959
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: when things feel uncomfortable. Because it's easy to be happy

960
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: when we're married to the right person, or we have

961
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: enough money or kids are great. It's hard to be

962
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: hopeful or happy when things aren't going well. But I

963
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: think that if we participate in our own life, we can,

964
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: and that's what you have to do.

965
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 4: Perfect words, Yeah, it's a tough life. But looking back

966
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 4: on my toughest times and other people as well, brought

967
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 4: me to where I am today. I wouldn't be here

968
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 4: with you had I not experienced.

969
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: Deep devastated lost fifteen years.

970
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 4: Ago thanking for answers. So that's incredible. What do you

971
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 4: think the big purpose is of this whole life and

972
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 4: being human.

973
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: To learn Pursaul's evolution? So I was raised Catholic. I say,

974
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm a reform Catholic, and I don't go to church.

975
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: There's bits and pieces I believe in it, but I

976
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: believe in lots of different It's some pieces of all religion.

977
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: I believe not from any religious you know, teaching that.

978
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: I believe from the work that I do that we're

979
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: here to learn life lessons. So I think that we're

980
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: human beings going through a difficult time, but we're really

981
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: spiritual beings going through a human experience to learns our

982
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: soul's evolution. And if you can get through what you

983
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: need to, then you do have this higher evolution, this

984
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: higher spirit when you're on the other side. But I

985
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: don't think that we're judged in any way. When Vinni died,

986
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: Vinni had a life review right before he died when

987
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: he was still alive, and he told me how about it,

988
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: and then I did too. But the interesting part about

989
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: the life review is we do our own life review.

990
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: We're not sitting in front of judges. It's not like

991
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: America's got Dallons. Simon Cowell is not weighing in and saying,

992
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: hey and Nat when you were in ninth grade, you

993
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: should have done expoy and c. It's us that I'm

994
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: kind of feel like either embarrassed or ashamed, or I

995
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: could have done this better, or I could have warned

996
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 1: from this. And even in the moment, if you feel

997
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 1: somewhat ashamed of your behavior, the overall feelings that shamed

998
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: you just feel like I could do better. I'm gonna

999
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: do better. So life review, I think, is an opportunity

1000
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: to do better while we're here, which I did have

1001
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: when he passed away. And I have to say, Vinnie

1002
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: was one of the nicest people I know, not because

1003
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: he was my husband, and I feel like his passing

1004
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,959
Speaker 1: may mean better because it hit me square the face.

1005
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: So even though I was talking the talk, and I

1006
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: don't mean that I was acting because I always do

1007
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: whatever I know to do, and so prior to his passing.

1008
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: I had no frame of reference of anybody passing that

1009
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: meant anything like that to me. I was in two

1010
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: grief counseling groups that I just stopped because I kind

1011
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: of felt like I was running the group. I wanted to

1012
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: just be part of it. I don't want to be

1013
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: the expert on the grief, but I'm not really because

1014
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: my own grief is not what I would have expected.

1015
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: It hits you sideways when you're not expecting it.

1016
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 4: And that this episode's going to air going into the

1017
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 4: holiday season, and any advice is how we navigate that.

1018
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 4: When we have a table set, do we leave an

1019
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 4: empty spot at the table for our loved one? We

1020
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 4: just keep talking to them. We have their picture out

1021
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 4: all of the above.

1022
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's so funny, it's going to make me cry.

1023
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: So when Vinnie was alive, he used to say to me,

1024
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: why don't we have pictures of ourselves around the house.

1025
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: I don't take selfies. I don't really have any pictures

1026
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 1: of myself, and oh, my way, I don't know. Since

1027
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: he died, there's pictures everywhere. My twenty nine year old daughter,

1028
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: who does live with me, is like it's a little creepy.

1029
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 1: Here there's a picture of Vinni in the bathroom. Where

1030
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: you turn around, there's tons of pictures of Vinie. So

1031
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: I think you do whatever feels right for you. Again,

1032
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: prior to his passing, those not one picture of him up.

1033
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: Now there's in every room where you go in my house,

1034
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: there's tons of them scow all over the place. This

1035
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: is the first holidays without him. I'm going to go

1036
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: to a friend's house with my daughter, and I think

1037
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: you just do whatever feels right for you. I don't

1038
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: think there's a right answer, because as much as I'm

1039
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: prepared to go to my girlfriend's house for Thanksgiving dinner,

1040
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: I'm also prepared that maybe that morning I won't feel

1041
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: like it, and I'm good with that. I think people

1042
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: have to give themselves grace because on a Monday, I

1043
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: could be greater than Tuesday. I'm not good. I think

1044
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: it just gets you out of nowhere. I think the

1045
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: most important thing is to just if you're feeling like

1046
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: you want to cry all day, you cry, you work

1047
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: through it.

1048
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 4: And let's talk about your website. And at Prika dot com,

1049
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 4: I know there's a place people can fill out their

1050
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 4: name and information if they want to book a reading

1051
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 4: with you in the future. That the best way to

1052
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 4: get in touch with you.

1053
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: It is the best way. And I actually only started

1054
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: a listed a year ago, so it tells a little

1055
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: bit about my story, but it's mostly like a business

1056
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: card online, so it is a way to reach out

1057
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: to me to get a reading.

1058
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 4: Yes, all right, thank you for that or anything I

1059
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 4: didn't ask yet, or anything you are inspired to say

1060
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 4: as we close out our time today.

1061
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I would tell everybody, regardless of what

1062
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: your life is like. I think this is why I

1063
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: do the work. I do it not because I want

1064
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: to impress anybody and tell people things that I couldn't know.

1065
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: I want to give people hope. That's really what it is.

1066
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: I want people to know that no matter what you're

1067
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: going through and as difficult as it is, and it

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Speaker 1: is difficult, and many things are extremely challenging, and I

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Speaker 1: have a lot of people that even when I do

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Speaker 1: a reading, they say to me, if you didn't say X,

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Speaker 1: Y and Z, or if you didn't make me feel hopeful,

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Speaker 1: I plan on killing myself, which is never anything I

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Speaker 1: want to hear. But I do it because I want

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Speaker 1: people to live the best life they can. And I

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Speaker 1: always tell people it doesn't matter how long we live,

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Speaker 1: it matters how we live. Don't worry if somebody lives

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Speaker 1: to be eighty three or thirty three. From a human

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Speaker 1: being standpoint, that feels like it matters. But what matters

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Speaker 1: is making the most of every day and making the

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Speaker 1: most of your own life, because anything can change. And

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Speaker 1: I do believe that if we're service to others, you

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Speaker 1: don't have to be a psychic or a medium. You

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Speaker 1: could work for the Red Cross, or you can just

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Speaker 1: be kind. You can be kind to people. I believe

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Speaker 1: that that's the whole purpose of life, and I think

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Speaker 1: that that makes a tremendous difference, and I do want

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Speaker 1: people feel hopeful.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much. I am reminded by Brendan Bouchard,

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Speaker 4: who teaches a lot of wonderful things. He had a

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Speaker 4: near death experience and the question he always asks is

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Speaker 4: have I lived, have I loved? And have I made

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Speaker 4: a difference?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, yes, And then I think sums it all

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Speaker 1: up because every single day and I know that I

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Speaker 1: can do better, and there's lots of days that I'm

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Speaker 1: not proud of, but there's lots of days I'm really

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Speaker 1: proud lots of days that people will reach out to

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Speaker 1: me and say whatever you said made a difference and

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Speaker 1: is helping me. That's what I'm here to do. And

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Speaker 1: I think that if we all do that, we all

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Speaker 1: step up to help other people whenever we can. I

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Speaker 1: think collectively that helps humanity. And I think that's really

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Speaker 1: the big picture.

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Speaker 4: And that Thank you so much for being our guest today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I want to highlight a little nugget of gold that

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Speaker 3: a net shared. Did you catch what she shared about

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Speaker 3: her spirit guide? Her grandmother, a very famous psychic, told

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Speaker 3: her name him, and so she named him David. It

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Speaker 3: sounds so simp but I think it's pretty profound. Giving

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Speaker 3: our guides names changes the relationship. It takes it from

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Speaker 3: a concept to a real personal connection. Now, if you

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Speaker 3: remember back in our last episode, we did that special

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Speaker 3: meditation at the end to meet our friend or guardian,

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Speaker 3: angel or guide, whatever you want to call them, and

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Speaker 3: when you get that sense of presence, don't be afraid

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Speaker 3: to ask a name or just assign them a name.

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Speaker 3: You know, if we have someone in our life, even

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Speaker 3: if we assign them the name, do you think we'd

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Speaker 3: be more apt to be in communication with them.

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Speaker 1: I do so.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a little missing piece in my world

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Speaker 3: with spirit guides, and I love that Annette. Since Vinnie

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Speaker 3: has passed, she has put pictures of him everywhere, in

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Speaker 3: the kitchen, in the bathroom, in every room, talking to

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Speaker 3: him constantly and trusting that what she hears back in

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Speaker 3: her mind is real. And that makes me wonder what

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Speaker 3: would it be like for us to do that, To

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Speaker 3: fill our spaces with those smiling faces, those happy memories,

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Speaker 3: keeping the conversations going and really trusting that they are

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Speaker 3: interacting in our lives. You may be hearing this in

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Speaker 3: a very tough time in your life, but please know

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Speaker 3: you are never alone. There's so much love for you

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Speaker 3: those who have passed, your invisible helpers, and I'm here

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Speaker 3: with you too. Don't forget. Come visit me at weedotdie

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Speaker 3: dot com. I'd love to meet you. Come a few

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Speaker 3: minutes early to our free Sunday gathering inspirational service with

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Speaker 3: medium demonstration included. I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you for listening

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Speaker 3: to Coast am Paranormal podcast Network.

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