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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth. I'm Lazar, Well everybody nailed it,

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Speaker 1: joined us always buying our pick DAFA match. Here is

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Speaker 1: Evan Lazar and Alex Bark. I sent you that the

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Speaker 1: clip of Brady throwing that slam. Okay, that was the

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Speaker 1: He doesn't he doesn't like it when I bring up Brady.

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome into a video edition. We're back

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Speaker 1: on video. Yeah, back on. I might need to move

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Speaker 1: or something. I don't know. All right, anyways, we got

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Speaker 1: the solo. This is great. This is back to our roots.

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Speaker 1: you know, they change the camera angles. They can put

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Speaker 1: This is look at that next level video. I'm excited. Uh,

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Speaker 1: like I said Evan Lazar alongside me, as always Alex

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Speaker 1: Barth and uh, we got a little bit of to

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Speaker 1: unpack your today. But as I normally do, I always

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Speaker 1: start with like a twenty minute soliloquy that I've been

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Speaker 1: thinking about for the last week since we were on

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Speaker 1: the air last Thursday or was a Wednesday, I don't

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Speaker 1: even remember. Anyways, and this one, this one has to

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Speaker 1: do I think more so with what I'm seeing on

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Speaker 1: social media, the callers that we're having call in as well.

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Speaker 1: But mostly I'm going to be personal about it and

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Speaker 1: say that it's it's really my social media that I'm

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Speaker 1: seeing this on, all right, and it's starting to drive

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Speaker 1: me up in an absolute wall. Okay, and I send

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Speaker 1: you Last night, I was trying to look for the

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Speaker 1: words to perfectly explain how I feel, and I think

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Speaker 1: Robert May's from the Athletic who I love. He had

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Speaker 1: the perfect synopsis of what we're going through right now

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Speaker 1: in New England at the quarterback position with Mac Jones,

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Speaker 1: and that is that we now live in a black

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Speaker 1: and white quarterback situation where it's either you stink or

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Speaker 1: you're elite, and there's no there's no middle ground. And

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Speaker 1: I think what's more important about the no middle ground

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Speaker 1: is that there's no nuance to the conversation. It's all

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Speaker 1: just yes or no, did you complete the pass or not?

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Speaker 1: Did you produce or did you not produce? And there's

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Speaker 1: no conversation about the details about the nuance of how

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Speaker 1: he's the guy or the franchise quarterback or whatever you

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Speaker 1: know term you want to use. What I do know

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Speaker 1: is that if you've decided based off of this season

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Speaker 1: You don't know football. You're moron. Sorry, you're dumb because

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Speaker 1: you can't decide that based off of this You just can't.

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Speaker 1: You can't properly evaluate that position with the absolute dumpster

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Speaker 1: fire that they have put him in. And let me sorry,

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Speaker 1: don't want to cut off your momentum. But honestly, if

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Speaker 1: if it was just this season, maybe there's a little

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Speaker 1: year out right, when he took them to the playoffs

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Speaker 1: But I don't think people realize how hard that is

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Speaker 1: your rants off, but one I wanted to say, there's

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Speaker 1: which is awesome. And two, yeah, I just love that

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Speaker 1: And I think the error that we grew up in

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Speaker 1: or four of those guys at most at one time

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Speaker 1: the norm. And Evan, this goes to a take I

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Speaker 1: there is a no dug ey there, Lawrence right as

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Speaker 1: So I want to keep hammering home the point that

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Speaker 1: rant right, Like, this is not that this is I

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Speaker 1: don't know how everybody's ready, not everybody. I don't know

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Speaker 1: your play. This isn't This isn't just oh, well, sophomore

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Speaker 1: giving him new looks that that's not what this looks.

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Speaker 1: That might have been down the stretch last year, right, right, right, exactly, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So the most important thing I would say with football,

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Speaker 1: You have to have a good foundation of what you're

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Speaker 1: which has been something that we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: that's been a huge issue for the Patriots. And defensively,

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Speaker 1: it's the same thing. You could have eleven of the

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Speaker 1: we overcomplicate things when you lost again because he can't tackle, right.

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Speaker 1: That was that was the the punchline of that whole

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Speaker 1: as a great example of why mac Jones isn't worth

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Speaker 1: we kind of open this up a little bit. Mac

427
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 1: Jones played good in this game, especially in the second half. Well,

428
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: they put his favorite receiver on the field and suddenly

429
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 1: he looked much better. And it's not to take it

430
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 1: all away from Mac Jones, but can we also talk

431
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 1: about how Kendrick Bourne played as well. Sure, the downfield

432
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: throws were great through all three of them to Kendrick

433
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: Bourne were great throws, touchdown, throwdown, talk about chemistry, timing, rhythm.

434
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 1: Everything that play was was chemistry and time. He read

435
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: that the defender's back was to the line of scream,

436
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 1: which wasn't going to make a play on the ball.

437
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: Put it in a spot for Kendrick Bourne Born you know,

438
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: went and got it. Great great throw, great catch. Yeah,

439
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: Mac played fine in this game. He did benching him

440
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 1: moving on from him, it's ridiculous, it's ridiculous talk. But

441
00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 1: if if Mac Jones plays it, say next year they

442
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: get the offense, they fix the things we see we

443
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: say they need to fix. Yeah, right, and Mac Jones

444
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: plays at that level, and we're doing a bunch of hypotheticals.

445
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: I know the team hates hypotheticals, but just humor. Let's

446
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 1: say they fix the things they need to fix, schimmatically

447
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: and Mac plays at that level next year for eighteen games,

448
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: does he get his fifth year option picked up? He should, Yeah,

449
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: I would think he'd be is that is that a

450
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 1: guy you'd extend. I think he'd be a top fifteen,

451
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: top twelve quarterback if all those things, if he plays

452
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: at that level with the right pieces around him. Yeah,

453
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: that's what I don't Just the greast year, he was

454
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,239
Speaker 1: twelve to seventeen and wherever you want to put him

455
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: right staysically he was top half. He was closer to

456
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: the top fifteen, top twelve, honestly. But the other thing

457
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 1: I want to say about the offense that this is

458
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: something that's been on my radar all year, but I

459
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 1: think it's gotten particularly horrible, quite frankly, is the route running.

460
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: I've never seen the Patriots run routes this this poorly.

461
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: Before and since covering the team and starting in twenty

462
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: eighteen and breaking down their tape and all this kind

463
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: of stuff, I have never seen them look so sloppy

464
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 1: on film running routes as they do now. Obviously, I've

465
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: we've talked about spacing a lot, you know, tight ends,

466
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: colliding with each other, Kendrick Boorn running into Johnny Smith

467
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: and getting him can cuss like. These things are things

468
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: that happen from time to time, but you don't see

469
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: them happen multiple times every single week, like you just

470
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: don't see that. The other thing that has been driving

471
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: me nuts. I've mentioned it with the Meyers thing and

472
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: the Thornton route. They just some guys just think that

473
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: they have like all day to run a route, like

474
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: they just they feel like they can just lollygag up

475
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: the field. Like I just don't understand I'm timing. I

476
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: don't know if it's effort, Like I don't want to

477
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: question effort. I hate doing that, but it just looks

478
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: to me like they feel like, oh, I'm gonna, you know,

479
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw six fakes right, like I'm gonna get

480
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: to the top of the route and I'm gonna do

481
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: a bunch of jab steps, a bunch of head fakes,

482
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: and like try to really get loose on this guy.

483
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: And what I think it comes back too, And that's

484
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: let's also get into the little things too, like breaking

485
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: a route off at a certain uh you know, yardage

486
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: marker or step right, you know, one step, three step, five, step,

487
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: seven step routes. Not being able to to do that

488
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: properly too has been a big thing. But I think

489
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: what it comes down to with the timing of the

490
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: routes and how long it's taking them sometimes is I

491
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: really think that they're trying to do too much. Like

492
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: they're trying to and this relates back in a way

493
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: to some of the miscues at the end of games

494
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 1: that we've seen, you know, Ramandre trying to fight for

495
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,719
Speaker 1: extra yards. Obviously what happened at the end in Vegas.

496
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: Like I think that these receivers are thinking to themselves,

497
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: it's not good enough for me to just gain eight

498
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: yards on first and ten. I have to gain twenty

499
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: eight yards, right, Like they're trying to create so much

500
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: separation with all these head fakes and jabs and you know,

501
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: sweet releases at the line of scrimmage that take twenty

502
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: minutes to get off the line because they feel like

503
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: they need to make a big play every single time

504
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: they're pressing and when when when you're committing a lot

505
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: of penalties and stuff like that. Like this team has

506
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: really struggled to incrementally work the ball down the field

507
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: right right, and when you do that, I think you

508
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: kind of get in the back of your head, Man,

509
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: we need a big play. We can't we can't do

510
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: this for twelve thirteen plays. We gotta get in the

511
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: end zone in six or seven, and I think guys

512
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: are playing. I think maybe there's also a level of

513
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: overthinking just in terms of and this goes back really

514
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: to the coaching when you can't get lined up, when

515
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: when guys don't know the play right, you know, when

516
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: that keeps happening, you know, you screw the play up

517
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: four five times? All right, I gotta run this rat right, Yeah? Yeah,

518
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: this might right, Yeah, Okay, this is the play. Like

519
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: I think there's just the whole, the whole irony in this,

520
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: the real irony. And this is do you remember all

521
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: the way back in the summer, really in the spring,

522
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: when they change the offense, and it was, oh, we

523
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: want to simplify it. We wanted to be less thinking, right,

524
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: We wanted to be less thinking for the receivers in

525
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: the tight ends and the running backs in the end.

526
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's because they change the offense,

527
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,239
Speaker 1: the two might be unrelated. But one of the big

528
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: problems now, ironically in all of this is everybody on offense,

529
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: mac the linemen, that the skill players looks like they're

530
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: overthinking quite a bit. Yeah, And now what it comes

531
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: down to is that it's no longer stuff like play

532
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: design and sequencing and all the fancy stuff about offense.

533
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: We are so far beyond that, like can behind that,

534
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: not beyond it, behind it. We're just that's not the

535
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: biggest issue with the team because they can't execute the

536
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: fundamental well. So that's I compared it to when I

537
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: was on the Hub earlier this week. I compared it,

538
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta everybody needs to know what the

539
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: plays are, what the calls are, we're to line up

540
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: right right. Once you do that, you start building on that,

541
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: right you start you know, then you start building off

542
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: a place and let's like two three, four and on

543
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: the checklist. They can't get past one right now, right

544
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: you can't start doing two, three, four and five until

545
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: one is checking. I don't know if they're capable of

546
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: doing two, three, four and five, to be honest with you.

547
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: But the biggest issue that from a coaching standpoint, I

548
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: think with this team right now is the fundamental details

549
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: of the game right like they are not They're not

550
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: a sound football team on offense right now, where they're

551
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: running precise routes and they know where they're supposed to

552
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: be at and the combinations are spaced out properly. And

553
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: working properly and timed up properly, Like you can't start

554
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,719
Speaker 1: doing creative stuff. We can't start getting into downfield RPOs

555
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: or fun things that we talk about sometimes that I

556
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: talk about that I love, Right, we can't start getting

557
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: into that type of stuff if we can't run slant

558
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: flats in a row. That's what I'm saying. You can't

559
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: do two, three, four, and five until that first box

560
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: is checked. And I mean to your point that they can't.

561
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: There's two maybe you know, two games left in the

562
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: regular season. Who knows if they get me in the playoffs.

563
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: That's stuff that you're trying to get checked off back

564
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: in the summer. So who knows what's going to happen

565
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: with that, at least in terms of this year's team.

566
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think we're basically saying this. So the

567
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: fundamentals and the details of this football team on offense

568
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: are as bad as I've ever seen it, And that,

569
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: to me is a coaching failure across the board. It's

570
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: not just Matt Patricia. I'm looking at Troy Brown, I'm

571
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: looking at Nick Kaylee, Like these guys are judge, of course,

572
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: at the very least, at the bare minimum keeping it

573
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: buttoned up right, like keeping it sharp is the bare

574
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: minimum on either side of the football. I could really

575
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: care less at this point if you're an offensive creative genius,

576
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: if you're Mike McDaniel or Kyle shanhander one are these

577
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: guys that's motioning people and play action this way and

578
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: play action that way? Like, I could care less at

579
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: this point because they can't. They're not doing the simple

580
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: things great. And what I don't understand is is like

581
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: when Jacobe Myers takes ten hours to come out of

582
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: his route on that play action pass. It's like I

583
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: have to think Troy is in the film room and

584
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: being like, hey, we gotta you got to get out,

585
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: like we gotta get going here. And we know Jacoby

586
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: can do it because we've seen him do it in

587
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: the past, correct, right, So it's not like, oh, he

588
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: just can't again. It goes back to my thing about

589
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: the talent level, right, it's not like he can't do it.

590
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: I do take a small victory lap here though, because

591
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: do you remember after the Minnesota game, we were sitting

592
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: here and you were talking about Mackley didn't come back

593
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: or whatever, and I said, if they just clean it

594
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: all up in the margins. You say, I forget the margins,

595
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: like then he'd be able to do this and that.

596
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: This is this is what I meant. Basically, this is

597
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: what I was saying. Until you're you have the detail,

598
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: because this team has always won by playing bit. They

599
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: are better in the margins than their opponent, the little things,

600
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: the details, the not making avoidable mistakes. The Patriots won

601
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: for twenty plus years by simply being better at that

602
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: than there were than any opponent they faced. They were

603
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: always going to be better than the other team at that.

604
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: And to your point back then, I get it. You

605
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: want to be more explosive and you need to be

606
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: able to make plays, not just prevent the other team, YadA, YadA, YadA.

607
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 1: But until you can start doing that stuff on them,

608
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: like doing that stuff on the margin correctly, is what's

609
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: going to allow you to take that next step into

610
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: what you wanted to see. I still think it all

611
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: comes from they have to clean up the little things first,

612
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: the dail so many bad habits that this team has

613
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: developed in the passing game is just can I give

614
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: you an interesting stat? I've given you the stat off

615
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: the air. I don't know that I've ever given it

616
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: given it on the air. Yeah, So we talk a

617
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: lot and I don't know exactly what it means, but

618
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: it's indicative of what we're talking about. Right, we talk

619
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: a lot about, you know, okay, third down struggles. Well,

620
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: what's the average distance to go? This is a big

621
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: bill thing. When they have a good game on third down,

622
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: you ask him about it, he'll almost always say, well,

623
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: we move the ball on first and second down was manageable. Right,

624
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: So you look at all right, they're struggling on third down?

625
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: What's their average yards to go? And then maybe take

626
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: it a step deeper, all right, well are they picking

627
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: up yards on second down? Right? Even if they don't

628
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: get it on first they're picking up yards on So

629
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: I'm going through and I'm tracking these numbers on Pro

630
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: Football Reference. Shout out to them, great, great website, and

631
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: I just I'm curious. I go, all right, I wonder

632
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: what their average distance to go on first down is? Like,

633
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: is this something that's even tracked? Because well it's first

634
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: and ten right, right, first ten? The Patriots average distance

635
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: to go on first down this year is ten point

636
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: two yards. That was the longest in the league, tied

637
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: with a couple of teams, the Raiders have actually passed them.

638
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: The Raiders are now ten point three to go on

639
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: first down. What does that mean? Right, You're in a

640
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: lot of first in fifteens, first and twenties and but

641
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: the difference is so it's the Patriots, the Raiders, in

642
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: the Seahawks, we're all at ten point two. Now the

643
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: Raiders are at ten point three. The Patriots have run

644
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: about forty less first down snaps and those other two teams,

645
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: So it's not a much smaller sample size. Yeah, Now,

646
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: not every team is first and ten. There's only eight

647
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: teams in the league that are averaging exactly first and ten.

648
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: You also have some other teams that are under. The

649
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: Vikings are actually the best in the league of this.

650
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: The Vikings average first down distance to go is nine

651
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: point six. They're alone, which is I don't even how

652
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: that gets there. Red zone, right, they have some of

653
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: it is you know, you get guys to jump off sides,

654
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: but first and goal from the five, first and goal

655
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: from the three right brings that average down. Yeah, so

656
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: it basically just tells you they're putting. But that's all

657
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: on your own. The opponent doesn't have a lot to

658
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: do with that number. A lot of that is just

659
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Right? And basically I'm as I'm

660
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: talking through this here, what that number I think it

661
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: means is the Patriots and the Seahawks and the Raiders

662
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,959
Speaker 1: and those other teams that are up there, they are

663
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: putting themselves in difficult situations on their own accord. Yeah,

664
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: I just I just wonder where they go from here

665
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball, because I think

666
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: any realist would look at this situation and notice that

667
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: pretty much every is not just the whole is not performing.

668
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,959
Speaker 1: Pretty much every position group has regressed as well, right,

669
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: like every individual except Michael and winning except Michael, and

670
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: I had Hermandre Stevens in until two weeks ago, which

671
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: we'll look at. Nobody else could step up. He had

672
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: to take ninth in the league and touches him. Yeah,

673
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: I mean he's and he admitted after the game, this

674
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 1: is the first time he said anything along the lines.

675
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: He said he's a little banged up right now. Yeah,

676
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: because he's doing a ton. Yeah. So any other people

677
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: would look at this objectively and and clean house on

678
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball, right, like you bring

679
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: in coaching, Yeah, you bring in somebody like Bill. There's

680
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: people want them to clean house in terms of players

681
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: on on Dowse. You bring in somebody like Bill O'Brien

682
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: and he brings all of his own coaches right or

683
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: something along those lines. So we'll see what ends. That's

684
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: an offseason thing. I don't like playing the what if

685
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: for the crystal ball game with the coaching staff, but

686
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: that that's the that's our forty minute rant on the offense.

687
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: Let's take some phone calls. Patty, thanks for hanging on.

688
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: I know we had you on hold for a while.

689
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: How you doing good? Now? You guys doing today? Good?

690
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: Doing well? So before the Buffalo game, I had made

691
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: a I said the same phrase that Max said in

692
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: this press conference yesterday, which is I just wanted to

693
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: see him let it rip because that was a game

694
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: that they weren't supposed to win anyway, So what would

695
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: what would be the harm in just you know, seeing

696
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: what you can do down the field, you know? And

697
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: and I like that, he said back, because I would

698
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: like to see them over the next couple of games.

699
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: And Evan, you kind of spoiled your pick on PU,

700
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: but I wanted to see what you guys thought about

701
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: that hopefully. You know, I just want him to beat

702
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: the Dolphins because the Dolphins are my NFL Yankees. I

703
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: can't stand them, never have been able to stand them.

704
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: And do you guys think that there's been a player,

705
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: not over the course of the season, not a single game,

706
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: not a Malcolm Butler, but over the course of the

707
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: season that spend more stand back than Mac Jones this year. Yeah,

708
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: it's it's a really good question, Patty. And to your

709
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: first question, thanks for calling the just grip it and

710
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: rip it right. Like you know, in the second half,

711
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: they finally opened up the passing game and he made

712
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: some plays down the field. The interesting part about it

713
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: is against the Dolphins, and the Dolphins and they're they're

714
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: coordinated by Josh Boyer who used to be here and

715
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: was underflow in Miami and he was the one holdover.

716
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: It was that they kept the continuity on defense. They

717
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: brought McDaniel and to run the offense, and they kept

718
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: the continuity and on defense. So they still play a

719
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: lot of man coverage. They still blitz a lot, right,

720
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: They're not. They don't come out you with all the

721
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: Amibia all out blitzes and stuff like that, Like they

722
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,959
Speaker 1: used to do so much with Flores, but they still

723
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: play a lot of man free which is you know,

724
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: five man rush everybody else you know, one post safety

725
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field man coverage. Right, there's

726
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: no robber, there's no underneath help, nothing like that because

727
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: they're rushing five. So they still play a lot of

728
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: that style of coverage. So teams like the Packers last

729
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: week when they found success in the day attack down

730
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 1: field against this team, right, you know, that's they're okay

731
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: at covering deep passes, but to shorten the intermediate stuff

732
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: and really the middle of the field because they don't

733
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: have any help at the intermediate middle of the field,

734
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: that's really where this team is very vulnerable. So in

735
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: a lot of respects, I do think they're gonna come

736
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: after mac mac Jones. They've done that every single time

737
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: they've played the Patriots in the three games with mac

738
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: Jones at quarterback over the last two years, they always

739
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: come after them. I think they're going to continue to

740
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: do that and instead of which I think is what

741
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: they'll end up doing. We'll see, if you know, Marcus

742
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: Jones doesn't clear protocol, then maybe not. But instead of

743
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 1: running a play a game plan like that against Arizona

744
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: or there's you know, fifteen screens and draws and you know,

745
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: trying to just survive those downs where they blitz. It

746
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 1: would be nice to see them just try to block

747
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: it and let mac Jones stand in there and make

748
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: some throws down the field against it. I don't think

749
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: they will because I think that they'll be conservative again,

750
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: but that maybe there is that potential there this week

751
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: after what seeing what it did last week in the

752
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: second half, that they will just try to block it

753
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: up and hit some throws down the field. The one

754
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: thing I'd say is if they're gonna do that, Kendrick

755
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: Born needs to be out there. Oh yeah. I mean

756
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: he should be out there, right, He should be out

757
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: there one way or the other. But yeah, I just

758
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: I feel like every time we've done this this year,

759
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: where he gets out a little bit of run and

760
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: we get all excited and this is it. Here it comes,

761
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: They're gonna put him back in the offense. Yeah, and

762
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: then he goes back on the shelf for three weeks.

763
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm expecting now. I think they kind

764
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: of have to play him because DeVante Parker's in concussion protocol.

765
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: Johnny Smith is in concussion protocol. I don't think either

766
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: one of those guys are going to play on Sunday.

767
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: So it's basically the same situation that they had last week,

768
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: where you just have you have three receivers healthy. I

769
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: really have no choice, right right. I mean they technically

770
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 1: have four, but you're not if you're playing Kendrick Born

771
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: over Agloa and Taekwon Thornton at this point, then we're

772
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: watching different tapes. But they did. But they've done that

773
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: all year. I know. I would say, all right, David

774
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: in New York, what's going on? David? You're on the air. Hey, guys,

775
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: how's it going good? So I had a point in

776
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: a question. So my point was, I'm sure you've done

777
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: this before. I went back and I looked at some

778
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: of the film from the Colts game last year, you know,

779
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 1: the one where they were down like twenty and nothing. Yeah, yeah,

780
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: And that was one that was like the game where

781
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: I considered, like, you know, that's our word, how could

782
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: this often could any worse? That's their worst offensive game.

783
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: But actually looking back at it compared to this year,

784
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: that looks like, at the very least the new England

785
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: Patriots offense and a well oiled machine. Granted they were

786
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: in hurry up for mostly that guy after the game,

787
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: but that just kind of was eye opening to me.

788
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: And then my question was what do you want to

789
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: make Teddy Bridgewater do on Sunday? Like what do you

790
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: force them to do? How do you beat them? Yeah?

791
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: Good question, David. So to the first point I have

792
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: and thanks for the call. I have reviewed that Colds

793
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: tape a lot. I reviewed a lot of you know,

794
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: went back and I have, you know, a lot of

795
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: positive plays sorted on my computer and I like to

796
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: just sometimes run through um last year and be like,

797
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: what was what was working? Right? Like what was that

798
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: they ran well? And in that Colds game, I remember

799
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: it vividly. Mac Jones hit the same concept three different ways, right.

800
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: It was just that their their levels, you know, dig

801
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: levels concept and they have the backside vertical, hit the

802
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: deep dig, then he hit the short dig, and then

803
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: he hit the vertical three different ways. I can't even

804
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: tell you that he's hit the same play three different

805
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: ways all year, let alone in one game, right, And

806
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: that's sort of the the time, Like all of the

807
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: things that we're saying is that they just don't run

808
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: anything consistently well enough in a row to be able

809
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: to do something like that. So yeah, that Colts game

810
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: ended up being if that was the film he was

811
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: putting out right now. I mean, I think it's kind

812
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: of similar in some ways to this last game against

813
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: the Bengals, because they were bad in the first half

814
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: of that game, and they were bad the first drive

815
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: of the second half. I believe he was an interception

816
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: as well. He only threw one pass the first quarter. Right,

817
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: it was a bad game for them in the first half,

818
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: So it's kind of similar. But it just sticks out

819
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: to me that they were able to make the make

820
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: the same play work three different ways, right, Like, that's

821
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: that's the old you know, that's the old addage in

822
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: a lot of ways that with football is that it

823
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be super complex, right, can be the

824
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: same play, you know, the coverage adjust you and you

825
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: hit it different ways. So to the second question, what

826
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: do we want Teddy Bridgewater to do? Well? Here is

827
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: I think the interesting chess match about this game is

828
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: that the blueprinter or the book on the Miami Dolphins

829
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: offense really since that Charger game, but it maybe started

830
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: a little bit with San Francisco, but they're more of

831
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: his own team is to play man coverage. Yeah, yeah,

832
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: they get into Tyreek Kill and Jalen Waddle's faces, and

833
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: a lot of the motion, play action and misdirection that

834
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: that Mike McDaniel uses and uses well is just just

835
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: torment zone coverage, right, because your your guys are that

836
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: are spot drappers, are just in conflict the entire game,

837
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: especially in the middle of the field. Is it a run,

838
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: is it a reverse? Is it a sweep? Is it

839
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: you know? This guy's motion in this way and coming

840
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: out that way? Now we have play action like there's

841
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: just no the middle linebacker has got like six different

842
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: things going on. And Bill Bill's talked about this, right

843
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: that against those kind of teams play action motion stuff

844
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: like that, Yeah, is a lot less of active against

845
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: man coverage because in man coverage, there's no there's no

846
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: you're not reading cues, right, You're just this is my assignment.

847
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going off this assignment, whereas in zone, yes,

848
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: then you need to be more aware of everything that's

849
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: happening in front of you. The thing I'd add to

850
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: that too is take and this is maybe more of

851
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: a Dolphins thing than a Teddy Bridgewater specific thing. But yeah,

852
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: take away short stuff, make him throw the ball deep.

853
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: So this is the concern, right, because I wholeheartedly agree

854
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: with you, especially with Bridgewater in there, because he I

855
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: said this, he can dig and dunk all day long.

856
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: Like that's Teddy b right, Like you get the ball

857
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: out quickly, he'd throw he averages like six yards air

858
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: yards per attempt, like that's that's his sweet spot, that's

859
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: where he wants to be. But the problem is is

860
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: that if you can't man up on the outside and

861
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: you're playing zone, that's what's going to be there, right.

862
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: The checkdowns is what's going to be there. The soft

863
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: stuff underneath is what's going to be there. And I

864
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: think this gets to a point that I wanted to

865
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: bring up a bigger picture point. And we're talking about

866
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: this earlier about defense nowadays in the NFL, and I

867
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: think a lot of people watch that first half, specifically

868
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: against Burrow, and they're like, Oh, they're just so much

869
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: soft zone, right, They're just sitting in soft zone. They're

870
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: giving up things underneath, and Burrows just you know, getting

871
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: the football out quickly, distributing the ball out quickly, and

872
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: it's just shredding them. And I think in a lot

873
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: of ways unfortunately, especially with the Patriots defense, the way

874
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: that they're built, where they're really stronger upfront and the

875
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: back end is sort of the weaker part of their team,

876
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: especially with all the injuries. It's just really difficult nowadays

877
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: to really dictate the terms of the game on defense. Yeah,

878
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: the way the rules are set up, the quarterbacks are

879
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: so good, the receivers are so good, Like, you just

880
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: can't control or dominate the game defensively the way that

881
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: you used to be able to. And I think that

882
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: a lot of teams, pretty much every team I watch

883
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: on film defensively is doing the same thing, and that

884
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: is they're playing too high shell. Sometimes they rotate it

885
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: into three, sometimes they stay into and I say three,

886
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: I mean like cover three or post safety. But everybody's

887
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: backing off because all they want to do. That Ben

888
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: don't break. Is how thirty two teams are playing defense

889
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: right now, But I'll say thirty one because I think

890
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: San Francisco might be the San Francisco. Yeah, they're on

891
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: a different level. But no, it's a good point, you know,

892
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: you you kinda and we talked about it before with

893
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: the Great even some of the elite quarterbacks in the

894
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: league right now are turnover happy. Yeah, look at it,

895
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: guy like Josh Allen, because that's all it is, is

896
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: that you're just trying to bait them. You're hunting big place, right,

897
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: So it's all right, let's just see if you'll throw

898
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: us one, right and if not, we'll hold a field

899
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: goal in the red zone. Like that's defense at this point,

900
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: right right. And the other thing specifically is it relates

901
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: to that game. You had receivers of six, five, sixty

902
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: three and six one against corners of five, ten, five,

903
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: eight and five eight. Yeah, you're not exactly going to

904
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: come up to the line and press. That's not exactly

905
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: recipe to win. And I mean we'll get into it

906
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: more when they when we get to the offseason. Jalen

907
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: Mills is still here, obviously, Jack Jones is still here.

908
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: But you're seeing the depth kind of be tested on

909
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: the boundary corner. Specifically, they need more size in the

910
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: secondary because the whole, like receivers are getting bigger. Guys

911
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: who would have been tight ends ten years ago are

912
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: now wide receivers like Higgins exactly so and it's if

913
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna play man. And I remember talking to guys

914
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: on like the eighteen nineteen Patriots about this, that had

915
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: the guys the horses to play man for four quarters

916
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: in the secondary. If you're gonna feel more, JC Jackson,

917
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: Jason mccordy, John john what a unit if you are

918
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: gonna play man. It's a lot like basketball where you

919
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: have to be able to have guys that can cover

920
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: one through five, Right, Like, you can't put a five

921
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: foot eight Marcus Jones on a center like t Higgins

922
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: if you're gonna live in man coverage. So you have

923
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: to have bigger guys. And that's not a knock on

924
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones. There's within positions, there's different types of players

925
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: at each position, right. So it's just like a game

926
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: of basketball, where you know, you match big on big

927
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: and you match the guards on the guards, and like

928
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: that's sort of how you have to go about it.

929
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: So with that team in eighteen, you know that John

930
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: Jones in the slot, and they had Gilmore and Jason

931
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 1: mccordy and Jac you had some more size on the outside,

932
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: and they were able to match up against every different

933
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: body type that they were going to see and unfortunately

934
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: this defense doesn't have that. So I actually think that

935
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: what they're doing defensively, although it might be looked at

936
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: as treading water on a lot of downs and a

937
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: lot of situations, especially between the twenties, I think they're

938
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: doing what they can, right, Yeah, And this is sort

939
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: of defense nowadays. Like spin the dial, you know, get

940
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: you into your two shell, high shell, make it to three,

941
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: make it one, make it two, make it four, and

942
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: just continue to spend that dial as much as you

943
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: possibly can, and hope and pray that you win on

944
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: third down a couple of times, maybe you get a

945
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: turnover two or three. And that's how you hold a

946
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 1: team to twenty points, right, That's that's the end game? Right? Yeah? No, absolutely,

947
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: I mean I think you hear some times people say, oh,

948
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 1: they allowed twenty one points. Twenty four points, doesn't really

949
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: that good to be a game on defense. But what

950
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: are the stipulations if those were long sustained drives, right right?

951
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: And or not? Like sorry, not if those are not

952
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: long sustained drives, if you were able to keep your

953
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: offense on the field, like you said, if you know,

954
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: you hold them to a field on the key spot

955
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: defense is so situational at this point. Yeah, it's not

956
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: necessarily as weird as it sounds. It's not necessarily just

957
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: keep points off the ball board at all costs. Yeah,

958
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: it's keep the game manageable. It set the tone, you know,

959
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: how's your tani. But it's literally making sure that they

960
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: don't score forty on every quarters. If you're if your

961
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: team is built for shootout offensively, then yeah, maybe you

962
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: play a little more aggressive. But if you have an offense,

963
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: it's more dank and dunk. You know, how can we

964
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: shorten the game? How can we limit the total number

965
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: of drives? Can we get red zone stops? Right, it's

966
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: it's very very situational. All right, let's fly through some

967
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: of these costs. In the last twenty minutes or so,

968
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: we had all right, Christen Fresno, what's going on? Going

969
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: quick question for you guys. So in this scenario, so

970
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: obviously all the news that Derek Carter just toppen. So

971
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: actually I want the feathers state. I go there. I've

972
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: grown up watching Derek play, Davante Adams to play. I

973
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: know in the past, I've been reports that we've previously

974
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: tried trading for Derek and I know all the relationship

975
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: with Josh McDonalds and Mac Jones. Any chance to Bill

976
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: Belichick and Josh and DWAs get together in trade Derek Carr,

977
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: Devant Adams, true Mac Jones and possibly like a first

978
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: round pick. Okay, so thanks for the call, Chris. I

979
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: don't mean to drop you quick. We just have to

980
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: go here. Yeah, this one, I look, I would love

981
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 1: to have Davante Adams here. Yeah. And if you're telling

982
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: me that the only way I can get Davanta Adams

983
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: but I have Davante Adams is to take on Derek Carr,

984
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: then I'll swallow the pill. But I don't like swallow. Yeah.

985
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: It's the first time I've heard that one phrased that way,

986
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: which I'm a little more interesting. So the Derek Carr

987
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: thing to me is baffling because Mac Jones is just

988
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: a cheaper version of Derek Carr. Right, So why are

989
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: you trading the same player Mac Jones for Derek Carr

990
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: just to play pay excuse me, pay with money, pay

991
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: the more expensive quarters in the older quarterback. Yeah, and

992
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: you get him off the rock. It's crazy to me.

993
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 1: How three weeks ago I'm sitting here hyping up the

994
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: defense for how they played against the Raiders, and all

995
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: I hear is Derek Cars terrible. Derek Carr doesn't belong

996
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: to the Derek Carr. Is Derek Carr that now all

997
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Well, could you imagine if they had

998
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: Derek Carr instead of Mac Jones quarterback? Look, I think

999
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 1: Spider Man meme, It's like it is the same people.

1000
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: I don't think he's as bad. That game against the

1001
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: Patriots one of the worst I've seen him play. I

1002
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: don't think he's quite that bad. But everybody talking about

1003
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: oh well, Max panicky in the pocket and Mac has

1004
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: trouble getting through his reads, which, like I don't think

1005
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: is as true as people make it. But if those

1006
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: are your complaints, those are also two of the biggest

1007
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: knocks on Derek Carr. If you want to say you

1008
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: want a different quarterback, fine, come to the table with

1009
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 1: an intelligent army. This is gonna be my new thing. Okay,

1010
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying this right now. If you're gonna tell me

1011
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: Max shouldn't be the Patriots quarterback. If you're gonna tell

1012
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: me Max shouldn't be the Patriots quarterback, well then who

1013
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: should Yeah, That's gonna be my question. You don't move

1014
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: on from a guy who a year ago took the

1015
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: team in the playoffs as a rookie. You don't move

1016
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: on from a guy like that just because oh greener pastors, right.

1017
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: You move on from a guy like that with a plan.

1018
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: And if Derek Carr is your plan, you're spinning your tires.

1019
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: At best, you're spinning your tires. So I blame Josh

1020
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: Allen for this. I do too. I blame Josh Allen

1021
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: for a lot. I blame Josh Allen, I blame mahomes

1022
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: I blame Herbert because it has set an expectation that

1023
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: every quarterback not only has to be this like cyborg

1024
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: with a rocket arm, but he also has to play

1025
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: that style to win right where this this backyard, you know,

1026
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: a gunslinger style that they all play. And Herbert maybe

1027
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: not as much as Alan and uh and mahomes um,

1028
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: but just because of the offense that he's in. But

1029
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: in general, like that, the it's death to the to

1030
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: the traditional pocket passer, right like. And then this is

1031
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: like a f which I think is so dumb, which

1032
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: because you can still at the end of the day,

1033
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: football is still football. Yeah, and I really aesthetically when

1034
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: you see, you know, Josh Allen make a throw with like,

1035
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: you know, a guy hanging off of him and he's

1036
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: got well you know he see throwing it with one arm.

1037
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: You know, no, no feat nothing right, Like he's just

1038
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: throwing off platform. It's it looks so cool. It doesn't.

1039
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 1: But what people don't realize is how slim the margin

1040
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: of error is to operate that way. And yeah, I

1041
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: just don't know Josh Allen's success. What do people who

1042
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: don't get enough credit? Is everybody else on that roster

1043
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: who allows him to operate that way. But here's my point.

1044
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: But listen, listen, here's my point. Here's my point because

1045
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: it goes to what you're saying. Yeah, to have a

1046
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: quarterback that play Mahomes is the one difference in this.

1047
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: I think Mahomes on another planet. Yeah, But whether it's

1048
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: whether it's Allen, whether it's Mahomes, whether it's Aaron Rodgers

1049
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: in the latter stage of his career, you have to

1050
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: have such a good roster around that guy to allow

1051
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: him to play that way, to allow him to play

1052
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: up to a skill set. So if you have to

1053
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: build an elite roster Anyway, why give up all those

1054
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: assets to go chase the QB when it's been proven

1055
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: that you can win with that elite roster, even if

1056
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: your quarterback isn't that good. Well, we have we have

1057
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: spied on hold. So he's getting oh boys, So let

1058
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: me just say we're getting to this argument here in

1059
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: rock Purty exists. Yeah, brock Purty exists. You have Kyle

1060
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: Shanahan running the offense. But I think the general, the

1061
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: Derek Carr thing, the fact that this is a conversation

1062
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: to trade the younger Derek Carr, the cheaper rookie contract,

1063
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: Derek Carr for Derek Carr for thirty million dollars a year.

1064
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: Derek Carr is just mind blood. And if you think,

1065
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: if you don't think Derek Carr has been good in Vegas,

1066
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: which I know a lot of Patriots fans don't. On

1067
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: the way they talked after that game, what does bring

1068
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: him into a worst situation do for you? I don't

1069
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: know it Like it's if you're if you want to

1070
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: replace Mac Jones, fine, come to the table with a

1071
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: better option. All right. Oh in North Carolina? Oh, how's

1072
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 1: it going? Oh you're on the air? Hello? Hey, Oh, Hello, gentlemen,

1073
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: any time, long time, Thank you. I just wanted to

1074
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: make a remark about the season, as it's been fascinating

1075
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: actually from like an academic standpoint, because if you think

1076
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: back to preseason, we uh, we all wondered how we

1077
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: would be able to tell if it was the offensive

1078
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: coaching or the players and uh and I think that's

1079
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: gotten really murky. And I believe it started with just well,

1080
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: the play calling was the problem. We weren't utilizing certain

1081
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: certain tools in the bag, like RPO's play action. And

1082
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: then to look at where it's at now and sort

1083
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: of evolved to this, well, the positional code terrible as well,

1084
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: or at least blackluster. Yeah, that's I just think it's

1085
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: fascinating him worthy of like a retrospect at some point.

1086
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: That's totally on the one eighty that I did, because

1087
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: I started with this offense and was like, well, they're

1088
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: just not creative, they're not calling the right plays, they

1089
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: don't call enough play action, they don't call enough RPO.

1090
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 1: But now we're so far removed from even that part

1091
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: of the discussion because now we just need to execute.

1092
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: Just day one. Can get lined up? Can you get

1093
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: lined up right? And I don't. Maybe I misunderstood the call. Yeah,

1094
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: thanks for the call. Maybe I misunderstood a little bit.

1095
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: I don't think it's murky in terms like it sounds

1096
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: like he was saying, well, do they not have enough

1097
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: talent or they're not coached? Right, I don't think that

1098
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: part's murky at all. Yeah, and we already got into

1099
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: that about the offensive ranking from last year. I won't

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00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: redo that, but I don't think it's murky there all

1101
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: right here, it comes all right, spe how are we doing?

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00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I didn't even want to get into

1103
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: that stuff, Alex. But I mean, good, stop using the

1104
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: word proved. You know it hasn't been proven yet. I mean,

1105
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 1: call me when they when that kind of situation, high ranking,

1106
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: sort of high flying talent with your your net neutral quarterback,

1107
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: because what a super Bowl. It hasn't happened. But I mean,

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00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: I don't I didn't want to get into that, all right,

1109
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: don't want to go. But Nick Foles did happen. Speak

1110
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: Nick Foles happened? I would say, enough, guys have gotten

1111
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: one game, all right, So Carson when he was he

1112
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: was so Nick Foles and Carson Wentz happened. It's two

1113
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: of us speak. Nick Foles was the quarterback for the

1114
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: entire playoff run. It wasn't just one game. We're just

1115
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 1: messing with you. What do you? What? Are you? Okay? Fine?

1116
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: But Carson went that season was a very pre injury.

1117
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz was very, very great situation on a great Rossie.

1118
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: I say this to Alex all the time, and I

1119
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: think it's hilarious. If Jimmy Garoppolo hits that throw at

1120
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: the end of that Super Bowl and wins that then,

1121
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: then then his whole argument is so much stronger. His

1122
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: whole argument is so much strong Only Shanahan didn't put

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00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: it in his hands. Okay, you want to let me

1124
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: bring up jim Mcaroppolo. Just what if those two team

1125
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 1: play ten times, Jimmy Garoppolo loses eight out of ten

1126
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: of those games. Well he did because that team was

1127
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: so heavily dependent on the running game. Until they get

1128
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: the postseason, They're like, all right, Jimmy playing it. Look

1129
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: what happened. Well, now I'm the NFC Championship game me

1130
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: through at eighteen. But that's my point. If you just

1131
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: had a bet like it could have worked, if they

1132
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 1: just coached it better. Oh please, all right, what was

1133
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: your point? What did you actually at the time, what

1134
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 1: did you actually call in? I really okay, I really

1135
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: didn't want to talk about that. What I what I wanted.

1136
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to say that Evan, some you and I,

1137
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: through different roads to Grandma's house, have come to kind

1138
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 1: of feel the same way about Mac Jones at this point.

1139
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: I feel uncertain. I feel like the needle for me

1140
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: is not moved adequately because of the situation, because there

1141
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: are things you guys like, are up. I think that

1142
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: Alex is still too much of a Jim. I mean,

1143
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: there's too much of a of a of a mac

1144
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: apologist at this point, like and I don't season clearly

1145
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: for his world wards. But but what I wanted to

1146
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: get you guys to address, I'm genuinely curious and I'm

1147
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: not coming at this where that this is right, this

1148
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 1: is wrong, And please avoid using the words rookie wall.

1149
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 1: Just tell me what Mac is in total. Look, get

1150
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: the whole body of work from the post by Indie

1151
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: game last year, board like what like, because I don't

1152
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: think he was that great toward the end of the

1153
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: season last year. So please, I genuinely want to hear

1154
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: what you guys think about is playing since the indie

1155
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: game on. Yeah, that that's a really fair point. I

1156
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: think a lot of people bring up spin thanks for

1157
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: the call, and we always appreciate the back and forth.

1158
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: I think the reason why I don't want to, the

1159
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: reason why I give him a little bit of a

1160
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: pass for what happened at the end of last year

1161
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: is not necessarily a rookie wall. It's just more that

1162
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: that offense had hit its ceiling and they still weren't

1163
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: under personnel wise in a spot where they were going

1164
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: to be able to go toe to toe with Buffalo,

1165
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: for example. Right. So what I was really hanging my

1166
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: hat on with that was that, Okay, this is the baseline,

1167
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: right like, this is the this is the floor for

1168
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: mac Jones, and that floor is a good enough capable

1169
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: NFL starter. And now let's see if they go out

1170
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: and add somebody more than Davante Parker and they build

1171
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: off of what they did offensively, and Josh McDaniels doesn't

1172
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,959
Speaker 1: leave for Vegas and they are and they really grow

1173
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: moving forward, then you know, hopefully they finished stronger in

1174
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: the future. And of course what we have is what

1175
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: Spee was, you know, saying what we've been saying this

1176
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: whole time is a whole lot of nothing because we

1177
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: have no idea what we have and that part is

1178
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: scary and frustrating all at the same time. But I

1179
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: think the last, you know, let's call it five or

1180
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: six games of last season, I don't think he played

1181
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: particularly well, But I think that on the whole, he

1182
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: still played well enough to me for me to be

1183
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: optimistic that if we keep building with this, it's going

1184
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: to turn out to be okay. But we just never

1185
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: got to build with it. And that's the that's the

1186
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: disappointing part. There's a lot of rookie quarterbacks that come

1187
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: into the league that just can't win, period. Right. There's

1188
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: there's one little bit south of here wearing green. I

1189
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: think that somebody that Mac Jones was winning you the

1190
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: games he should have won you, Yeah, which I know

1191
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like a lot. It's for a rookie quarterback,

1192
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: that's a good baseline, right, And outside of maybe that

1193
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: Colts game, I don't know that any of those losses

1194
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: were games that Patriots necessarily should have won for reasons

1195
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: beyond Mac Jones. Ideally, the quarterback becomes a guy who

1196
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: maybe wins you some games you shouldn't and eventually starts

1197
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: turning those games into games you should win. And what

1198
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: I saw in that first year as a whole, like

1199
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: you said, even though he didn't play as well down

1200
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: the stretch, I didn't think he played overly poorly. It

1201
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: was nowhere close to what it looks like this year.

1202
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: I thought there's enough to build on here that in

1203
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: a year, I think he does start to win some

1204
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: of those games, and then in two or three years

1205
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: some of those games start to flip. That's how rookie

1206
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: quarterback development generally works, Like you said, Unfortunately, the building

1207
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: on it never came because Josh McDaniels laughed in YadA, YadA, YadA.

1208
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: The rest is history. That's what I saw from Mac Jones.

1209
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: I saw a guy who could at least win you

1210
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: the games he needed to win. And all right, if

1211
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: he's doing that in year one, where does it go

1212
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: in year two? Where does it go in year three?

1213
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: That's what was exciting. Year two now has kind of

1214
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: just been thrown away, and it's well, now he has

1215
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: to get back to year one and you're restarting, and

1216
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,439
Speaker 1: it's just the timeline is totally thrown to the wind,

1217
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: and it's pretty much uncharted territory at this point. Again,

1218
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: the regression from year one to year two for mac Jones,

1219
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: there really is no comp that you can look at

1220
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: and say, well, all right, this guy was God has

1221
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: seemed a playoffs year one completely fell off in year

1222
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: two like that hasn't happened. Quarterback growth or regression is

1223
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: generally pretty linear, and this is just a roller coaster, right,

1224
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: And it's that's the part that frustrates me the most,

1225
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: is that this is such a lost season, right that

1226
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: from of value down standpoint and to that end, not

1227
01:00:53,240 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: only have the Patriots potentially ruined quite frankly mac Jones. Yeah, look,

1228
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: there's a chance that he never gets back to where

1229
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: he was your one, because the fundamentals, the confidence, all

1230
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: of it is just so shot from this. Not only

1231
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: did it right now and not only did they ruin him,

1232
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: but they stunted him most important, I would say it's

1233
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: one and the same, Yeah, and but I but the

1234
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: problem is is that I was I at the end

1235
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: of last year, I thought that they had a guy

1236
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: that was worth building with. I wasn't one hundred percent

1237
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: sure that he was going to be an elite quarterback

1238
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: or a perennial All Pro or anything like that. But

1239
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: I was I thought that they had a guy that

1240
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: it was worth giving a shot too, right to get

1241
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: to that point for two three four years now, it

1242
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: feels like we've skipped over this year an hour, back

1243
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: to square not square one in terms of like week

1244
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: one twenty twenty one, but just chance. I think you're

1245
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: kind of the conversation for Mac Jones heading into twenty

1246
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: twenty three is going to be similar to the conversation

1247
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: you you'd have about a rookie. Yeah, I actually think

1248
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: it is guy. What exactly is he? Because again, the

1249
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: two seasons we have are so vastly different that no,

1250
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: I think I like that take that you're kind of

1251
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: back Mac Jones heading into twenty twenty three, I think

1252
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: will be viewed much like a rookie quarterback would be

1253
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: does he belong in this league? What exactly does he

1254
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: give you? And those are all fair questions. Some of

1255
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: that's on him, some of that is reasons beyond his control,

1256
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: but he's basically back to his rookie year at this point. Right.

1257
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: All I've ever asked for out of this situation is

1258
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: that we just put mac Jones in a solid foundation

1259
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: like he was in last year and now in the

1260
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: year three, even though maybe mentally and some of the

1261
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: fundamentals have regretted because of what's gone on this year.

1262
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: It should, in theory be another offseason with Tom House,

1263
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: another offseason in this in an NFL strength and conditioning program,

1264
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: like we should still be making progress physically from that stand,

1265
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't even say were we could see another

1266
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: step from him, and that we obviously didn't get to

1267
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: see this year. At the very least, next year we

1268
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: get our answer, right if you put him in a

1269
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: better situation than the very least, it's like, all right,

1270
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: if they have a real ose in place and the

1271
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: offensive lines fixed and he's still struggling, well, then he's

1272
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: not the guy. And that could happen. But if you know,

1273
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: they bring in Bill O'Brien and they get the tackle

1274
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: situation figured out, maybe they bring in a receiver, right,

1275
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: and they go back to averaging thirty points a game

1276
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: like they did last year, well, okay, now we're in business,

1277
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: and and then it becomes well, you still burned a year,

1278
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: but all right, no, he is the guy. Twenty two

1279
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: is the anomaly contract to a right. Yeah, but okay,

1280
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: so really quickly before we sign off here, uh your

1281
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: you know, two minute take on on Sunday. We've talked

1282
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: a little bit about the Dolphins, but I want to

1283
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: kind of hammer this one. I mean, you said this

1284
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: to me a practice. It was something I was thinking

1285
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: a couple days ago. It reminds me a lot of

1286
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: that Bill's playoff game lach Year in the sense that

1287
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: they had you know, DeVante Bossby out there, Juan Williams

1288
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: just got They didn't have any depth Jalen will Uh,

1289
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: Jalen Mills at COVID, John Jones was sick. Yeah, jac

1290
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: Jackson played, but he was one foot out the door

1291
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: by that. He was also hurt. I think they just

1292
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: didn't have anybody in the secondary. Everybody was sick or

1293
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,959
Speaker 1: hurt or whatever. You know. Jonathan Jones was inactive because

1294
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 1: he was hurt. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, so you know,

1295
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones hasn't practiced this week. Jack Jones hasn't practiced

1296
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks. Jalen Mills isn't practice in

1297
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. Jonathan Jones, I believe is still

1298
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: on the injury report, although he's practicing. So who are

1299
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: you putting out there against If they're you know, one

1300
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: of the top three skilled position groups in the league,

1301
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: I would say it's just you know, whether it's Miles

1302
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: Bryant or you know, you're deep on the depth chart now.

1303
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: It banged up John Jones getting into the practice squad,

1304
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: Quandre Mosley. You're asking a lot of guys that you

1305
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: really weren't planning on putting on the field this year,

1306
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: putting on the field in very different roles. It's gonna

1307
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 1: be a tall task even without two, to keep up

1308
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: with these receivers if they can do it. Look, Miami

1309
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: hasn't played great football lately. Their defense has been inconsistent.

1310
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: Their offense, even beyond two, has been turnover prone. So

1311
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: you have a chance to hang with it if they

1312
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: were healthy at corner. I think the Patriots have a

1313
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: good shot in this game. Yeah, I just that's a

1314
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: lot of injuries to overcome in the secondary. Yeah it.

1315
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: I never really gave him a shot in that playoff

1316
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: game last year anyways, just because of how it looked

1317
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: at a couple of weeks earlier, and I that team

1318
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: really felt like it was sort of letting go of

1319
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: the rope down the stretch. But I think that this team,

1320
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: I really thought maybe they had a chance in this game.

1321
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: I just can't. I can't figure out how they how

1322
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 1: they defend this offense, even with Teddy Bridgewater. And what

1323
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: my guess is, and this goes back, you know, over

1324
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: to the other side of the football, Well, my guess

1325
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: is that they're gonna defensively do what we were just

1326
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: talking about, which they did a lot against the Bengals,

1327
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: which they did a lot against the Bills, and they're

1328
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: just gonna sit in soft zone and survive, right, and

1329
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: hopefully they can keep the game, they can shorten it right.

1330
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: And you know, Gay gave up twenty two points Cincinnati.

1331
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: They gave up what twenty four ultimately right to Buffalo,

1332
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: even though it was not kind of like a fake

1333
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: twenty four, they gave up twenty four. Like that's the

1334
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: type of game that you need to play, but in

1335
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: order to win that game, your offense actually do something right.

1336
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: So this is no longer I thought going into this

1337
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: game that this could be a game that the Patriots

1338
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: defense actually control the game and really put them in

1339
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: a position to win. Now I'm not really sure if

1340
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: we can kind of get to that point anyway at

1341
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: this point. So this is a just don't get you know,

1342
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: don't don't give up thirty five to Teddy Bridgewater, right,

1343
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: keep him in the twenties, and then offensively, you gotta

1344
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: do something Kendrick Borne. That that's what you gotta do.

1345
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: Get the ball to Kendrick Borne. Keep him on the

1346
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: field because you can move the ball and you can

1347
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 1: score points when he's on the field. Okay, we have

1348
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: one more caller just called in, all right, and then

1349
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap John. What's up? John? Hey, guys, I

1350
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: was wondering what your dream off season plan for the

1351
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: Patriots that tackle Winde receiver, And I'm that's a coordinating okay,

1352
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: so this is uh, thanks for the college John, John

1353
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: knows I put together my ten point plan for the Patriots. Yeah,

1354
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: we're not doing We're not doing ten points. Okay, Okay,

1355
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: we don't have time for that. But give me your

1356
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: dream offensive coordinator, dream tackle, dream receiver quickly go. So

1357
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: I'm ten points, all right, if we're being realistic, Yes,

1358
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: it probably is, Bill o'bri I'm assuming Josh McDaniels was

1359
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: staying in Vegas. I'd love to get Josh back. If

1360
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: not him, give me Bill O'Brien wide receiver. I've been

1361
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: on the record with this, DeAndre Hopkins. I think there's

1362
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 1: a chance he's available. I think there's a chance he's

1363
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: get a bull at a relatively good price. Is he

1364
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 1: gonna let bygones be bygones with Billy? Oh? I forgot

1365
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: about that, all right? You know what we said dream offseason? Yes,

1366
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: they bury the hatchet. If I had to pick one,

1367
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: Bill puts him in the room at the ground round,

1368
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: just like it did with Rodney Harris. If I had

1369
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: to pick one, I would say Hopkins. So I'll fine

1370
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: Chad o'shay as euroc so you can get DeAndre Hopkins

1371
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: to come here and play wide receiver and then a tackle.

1372
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: I actually think i'd love to see him at two

1373
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: tackles because wins out Trents on a contract here. I

1374
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: think it's a classics. Signed one draft one. I don't

1375
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: have the list of the top tackles in front of me,

1376
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: but signed one of the top ten tackles free agency

1377
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: in free agency and then use that first round pick

1378
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: on another tackle. So I'm not too far off from you,

1379
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:07,919
Speaker 1: I'll say. I'll say, for for the sake of our argument,

1380
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: Roderick Jones is the tackle in the draft. I'd like that. Yeah,

1381
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: So Bill O'Brien number one. Yeah, I know you're not

1382
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: gonna like this, but Cliff Kingsbury number two. Okay. If

1383
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 1: Cliffkins fired by Arizona and you can't make Bob happen,

1384
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,719
Speaker 1: then i'd bring him back, Okay, But then you probably

1385
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: can't get Hopkins. Yeah. There's a lot of issues there

1386
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: with Hopkins, right, so I can't really get too caught

1387
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 1: up on the hot wid you don't want Hawkins as

1388
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: much as I do. The wide receiver one is difficult

1389
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: for me right now because I think Hopkins is really

1390
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: the obvious one that would be available, but getting him

1391
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: is politically So would you rather have O'Brien or Hawkins?

1392
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 1: I said yesterday when you asked me this question off

1393
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: the year, that I'd take Bill O'Brien because I think

1394
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: that they're they're just so sloppy structurally, right, like as

1395
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: an offense that like I think that that fixes it.

1396
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 1: More like, if if you give Matt Patricia DeAndre, Hopkins

1397
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: isn't going to be any better, I'll say that it's not.

1398
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 1: But it's not. But it's not O'Brien or Hopkins, it's

1399
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: another like any oc you want besides O'Brien and Hopkins.

1400
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,719
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Hopkins and Cliff actually really like you. Maybe

1401
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 1: they do. So if it's Hopkins and Cliff, who would

1402
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: you rather have then Hopkins and Cliff? Okay, So I

1403
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: don't think that Cliff is a drop off from So

1404
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: that's it's not Hopkins and you keep Patricia. It's Hopkins

1405
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 1: and just not Bill O'Brien. It can be you whever

1406
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 1: you want, just not Bills might say when you talk

1407
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: about the sloppiness, Yeah, go back and watch some of Alabama.

1408
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: Alabama had a lot of the same issues this year

1409
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: in terms of pro like he's a pro Alabama had

1410
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: a lot of the same issues this year in terms

1411
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: of the nuts and bolts that the Patriots did. But

1412
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 1: was that because it's college kids versus NFL. But they

1413
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: haven't had those problems in the past. It's always been

1414
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: college kids in the past. They didn't have that problem

1415
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: last year with Billy. Oh either fair, that's fair? Okay?

1416
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: Uh ot So I've really been hang on if not Hopkins,

1417
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: who I don't know Judy. I guess I really like Higgins.

1418
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna demanded trade that really,

1419
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: I think I uk is one of those guys that

1420
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 1: you kind of have to know how to use, and

1421
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: I'm not confident in that. Yeah, it sounds like Judy

1422
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,600
Speaker 1: if not Hawkins. Yeah, I'd go Higgins if they can

1423
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: get opens on them. So Higgins over Jude. There's a

1424
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of there's a big bill

1425
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 1: coming for Cincinnati, right Oh. Yeah, Joe Burrow is going

1426
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:23,560
Speaker 1: to be a forty fifty million dollars and that's not

1427
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: an organ Now we're getting down the rabbit hole here,

1428
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 1: but that's not an organization that is flushed with cash,

1429
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 1: right right, Like that's not a big pocket owner and

1430
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 1: not a big pocket market. So at some point in

1431
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,560
Speaker 1: time you have to think about that in Cincinnati. So

1432
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: I'd like to tee Higgins as well. Offensive line, all

1433
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 1: four drafting a tackle in the first round, especially if

1434
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: they don't make the playoffs and they have a top

1435
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, ten, they're probably gonna be in that ten

1436
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: to fifteen range. You can really get a franchise guy

1437
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: at that spot. And this is a really good I

1438
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: think you can get a franchise tackle in the twenties

1439
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 1: in this class. This is a really good tackle class. Yeah,

1440
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: it is not a great wide receiver class. No, it's not.

1441
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: So the other guy that I throw out there, because

1442
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: I'm with you, sign one and one percent. You have

1443
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: the cap space to maybe go out and get one

1444
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 1: of the bigger name tackles in the market. I really

1445
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 1: and they don't let me. Sorry to cut off. They

1446
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:17,719
Speaker 1: don't have a ton of big name pending free agents.

1447
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: So Jones is pretty much John Jones and Devin if

1448
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: he wants to come back. But Devin's coming back at

1449
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 1: it one way, He's the only coming here, right, So

1450
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: there's But I'm just saying they have all that caps.

1451
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: It's not one of those things where, yeah, they have

1452
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 1: a lot of cap space, but everybody's up and you

1453
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 1: have to resign people. They have a lot of cap

1454
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: space and they really don't need to spend a lot

1455
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: of it in house, and they can also free up

1456
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: some space with the right moves. Anyways, Uh, I'm getting

1457
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 1: more and more married to the idea of Mike McGlinchey

1458
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: because just I'll lay it out really quickly, right tackle

1459
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: first of all, So that so checks that box right,

1460
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: and then you draft obviously the higher premium position at

1461
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: left tack Most of the guys in the draft are

1462
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 1: primary left tackles. Right tackle U six foot eight, three

1463
01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: twenty right tackle, love it love power, blocking down downhill

1464
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 1: type of guy, which hopefully they'll get back to that system.

1465
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: The third thing, number nine overall pick in the draft

1466
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, they love that, right, that's

1467
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 1: Stefan Gilmour, right. It's the guy that they couldn't get

1468
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,560
Speaker 1: their hands on because he was too high up in

1469
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: the draft for them. That he has all the raw

1470
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: tools and ability like ball of clay type of guy.

1471
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 1: He hasn't been lights out necessarily for San Francisco, but

1472
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 1: I don't like the system that he's in because in

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Speaker 1: San Francisco you gotta be able to move your feet.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's an outside zone scheme. It's a bootleg scheme.

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Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of moving pockets. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of linear movement for the offensive line. Like when you're

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Speaker 1: six foot eight, three thirty, you just want to come

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Speaker 1: off the ball right, like you don't want to be

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Speaker 1: stepping out by Shanahan. I don't that might have been

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Speaker 1: the regime right before Shanahan. I don't know, but notre

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Speaker 1: Dame guy. I really like McGlinchey, especially because, you know,

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Speaker 1: Elton Jenkins just signed an extension, Conklin and Cleveland just

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Speaker 1: signed an extension. So some of the other guys are

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Speaker 1: starting to you know that are at the top of

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Speaker 1: the tackle marketer signing extensions and mcglinchey's gonna hit unrestricted

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Speaker 1: free agencies. So that's that would be my plan. We'll

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Speaker 1: definitely outline the plan. Believe it or not, we might

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Speaker 1: only have one more in season show. Yeah, so we'll

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Speaker 1: definitely outline the plan more on the first offseason show,

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Speaker 1: whatever that is, and so we'll definitely have a more

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Speaker 1: fleshed out detailed show on that. But we'll be back

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Speaker 1: next Thursday, hopefully next Thursday again on the video show

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Speaker 1: for your YouTube fans, and we'll be back for next

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Speaker 1: week in Buffalo and hopefully a meaningful game in Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: So thanks so much for watching. You can say that

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Speaker 1: this time and listening, and we'll see you guys next week. Bye.

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