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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome back to the latest episode of

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Speaker 1: the Book of Joe Podcast with me, Tom Verducci and

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Speaker 1: of course Joe Madden. And this is our All Star edition, Joe.

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Speaker 1: It's All Star Break and it's also on the heels

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Speaker 1: of the ninety fifth All Star Game and a one

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Speaker 1: of a kind All Star game as well, a game

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Speaker 1: decided by a swing off. I think we need to

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Speaker 1: come up with a better name for it. But yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 1: they're going swing off mini home run derby to decide

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Speaker 1: what was a six to six game. Joe. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of places we can go and we'll go with this,

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Speaker 1: but I first want to start with your gut reactions

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Speaker 1: from watching this unique All Star game.

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Speaker 2: Well, it is unique, and it's all this stuff is

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Speaker 2: good because it is. It was an exhibition. It's not

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Speaker 2: a game that we've talked about this before. There was

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Speaker 2: nothing that counted about it other than entertainment value, which

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Speaker 2: was really big regarding MLB in the future of MLB,

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Speaker 2: So it really scored heavily with that. So another circumstances

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Speaker 2: to either trough out the strike zone, the challenge system

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Speaker 2: to run into extra innings and decided the way it

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Speaker 2: was decided. It all worked and it's interesting and I

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Speaker 2: was really led me to my quote of the day.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to tip on this yet, but I

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Speaker 2: heard it. I saw an interview with the commissioner, who

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Speaker 2: I do like, and I thought he did a really

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Speaker 2: good job. I went to explaining everything, and I'm happy

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Speaker 2: that he's feeling some success from all of this. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: the fact that there was an exhibition purely permits experimentation, and

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Speaker 2: I think that was good. I mean, if you're gonna experiment,

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Speaker 2: that's when you do. It's like a spring training game,

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Speaker 2: and then from that you learn and you grow. I

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Speaker 2: would like to think that we're not going to eventually

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Speaker 2: turn to a shootout or whatever at the end of

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Speaker 2: a ball game in order to win it. And I

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Speaker 2: read some of the players comments because nobody wants to

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Speaker 2: spend or stick around longer than they have to, and

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Speaker 2: I wish we could get by that kind of a concept.

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Speaker 2: But no, overall, under the circumstances, entertainment value everything. It

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Speaker 2: really resonated on all fronts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you found the right word, Joe, Entertainment, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's what the All Star Game is. I mean the

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Speaker 1: All Star game we grew up with, and I've been

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Speaker 1: there in clubhouses where the league president, when there was

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Speaker 1: such a thing, would come in and say how important

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Speaker 1: it was to try to win the game. Were a

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Speaker 1: long way from that. Is pure entertainment, is showing off

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Speaker 1: the skills of the best players in the world on

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Speaker 1: this stage in the midsummer when baseball kind of has

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Speaker 1: the sports world to itself, and it succeeded on that

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Speaker 1: level in this game. Here's a little bit behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes in terms of production on this because this rule,

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Speaker 1: if you will, the tiebreaker rule, has been in place

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Speaker 1: for about three or four years now, and quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people were kind of scared about what

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Speaker 1: it would look like because everybody wants to see, for instance,

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Speaker 1: Judge and Otani in that final group, right, But you

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Speaker 1: swinging for the fences to decide the All Star Game.

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Speaker 1: That's just silly. So you have to pick guys who

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Speaker 1: not the A list celebrities. If you will decide the

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Speaker 1: All Star Game right, it makes sense. But then once

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Speaker 1: I looked behind me down on the field and I

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Speaker 1: before the All Star Game said, nice being an All Star,

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Speaker 1: But I don't want to go right. I'd rather have

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Speaker 1: rooting for one another, for a team put together for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I get and the fans, Boughty and obviously too.

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Speaker 3: You know, you're right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, everybody wants time off this time of the year. However,

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Speaker 2: also the fact that they've extended the break by two

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Speaker 2: on Friday, games at seven, whatever, get in a little

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Speaker 3: So that's what happens.

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Speaker 2: I think that I believe that I believe it's not

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Speaker 3: What are we going to do? How we're going to

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a natural reaction if you're the manager

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Speaker 2: doing some things while they're home. My experience has been

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Speaker 3: As bad as you thought it would be.

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Speaker 2: Start slow, It's like the first two or three holes

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Speaker 2: So I think there's again so many things to unpack.

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Speaker 2: But the four day break really premits all this to happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I got to tell you the players who

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Speaker 1: It really was just happiness all around. Everybody knew they

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Speaker 1: It was just a really cool atmosphere and another behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes for you, Joe, you've seen this in the

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Speaker 1: games you've managed. In the All Star Game, the coolest

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Speaker 1: thing is when there's no media in there. We get

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Speaker 1: is just so cool. So the players who are not there,

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Speaker 1: It's one of my most fun things about the All

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Speaker 1: Star Game, Joe, is to see the way that players interact.

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Speaker 1: And I always ask the managers every year, like, what

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Speaker 2: And we've talked about this and I've been a proponent

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Speaker 2: it's a competition. You want to win the game, and

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Speaker 2: I liked the idea that there was something attached to it.

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Speaker 2: the golf reference, if you're playing for five bucks rate.

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Speaker 2: You know, over the course of eighteen holes, it still

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Speaker 2: I still do. I'm not backing off that this one

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Speaker 3: The game cannot agree with you more on that.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about a fascinating All Star game. A lot

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Speaker 3: Okay.

434
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Speaker 1: He saw it in action in the All Star Game.

435
00:20:21,278 --> 00:20:24,678
Speaker 1: It was used five times, four overturns, one upheld.

436
00:20:24,838 --> 00:20:27,478
Speaker 2: What do you think, well, independent of all that, because

437
00:20:27,718 --> 00:20:30,798
Speaker 2: of course it's gonna work. I mean, it's going to

438
00:20:30,838 --> 00:20:32,278
Speaker 2: be accurate all the above.

439
00:20:32,278 --> 00:20:33,438
Speaker 3: It it is that.

440
00:20:33,638 --> 00:20:36,238
Speaker 2: And what it then leads to is no arguments.

441
00:20:36,998 --> 00:20:38,078
Speaker 3: You know. That's the thing.

442
00:20:38,118 --> 00:20:40,958
Speaker 2: It's like, this is going to it's part of my

443
00:20:41,678 --> 00:20:45,638
Speaker 2: perfection where we're seeking perfection. And I remember, I don't

444
00:20:45,638 --> 00:20:47,558
Speaker 2: know how many times I walked in front of Troy

445
00:20:47,598 --> 00:20:50,358
Speaker 2: Gloss when he was at Third Basement the Angels. Troy

446
00:20:50,398 --> 00:20:53,038
Speaker 2: and I became very close, and he'd start beating himself

447
00:20:53,078 --> 00:20:55,118
Speaker 2: up a couple bat at bats whatever, and I say,

448
00:20:55,398 --> 00:20:56,958
Speaker 2: I used to call him Roy and instead of Troy.

449
00:20:57,238 --> 00:21:01,278
Speaker 2: Perfection is a boring concept. It takes humanity out of everything.

450
00:21:01,318 --> 00:21:03,478
Speaker 2: So I used to say this to him, just walking

451
00:21:03,518 --> 00:21:06,038
Speaker 2: by his locker after a couple of tough days. So

452
00:21:06,438 --> 00:21:10,918
Speaker 2: we're getting perfection, which then subtracts emotion, and then here's

453
00:21:11,158 --> 00:21:13,758
Speaker 2: there's no longer any arguments. Briestly, I saw a game

454
00:21:13,838 --> 00:21:16,358
Speaker 2: Balls and Strikes. I can't remember who it was, but

455
00:21:16,838 --> 00:21:20,398
Speaker 2: it led to this great argument stirred the fans up.

456
00:21:20,638 --> 00:21:24,438
Speaker 2: Manager gets ejected. It might have been Carlos Mendoze's a matter, Carlos.

457
00:21:25,078 --> 00:21:27,078
Speaker 1: That was an old school rant, right.

458
00:21:27,158 --> 00:21:29,838
Speaker 2: I mean, so now that's no longer in existence. When

459
00:21:29,838 --> 00:21:32,038
Speaker 2: you're going to be everything's gonna be dictator, you know,

460
00:21:32,158 --> 00:21:34,638
Speaker 2: the calls even on the basis And I got ejected

461
00:21:34,678 --> 00:21:36,918
Speaker 2: for after they called New York and they come back

462
00:21:36,918 --> 00:21:39,198
Speaker 2: and I thought the call was still wrong, and then

463
00:21:39,238 --> 00:21:41,078
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to say anything, but I did, and

464
00:21:41,118 --> 00:21:44,878
Speaker 2: I got ejected for arguing with somebody two thousand miles away.

465
00:21:45,118 --> 00:21:46,518
Speaker 2: That's the part that I think you have to be

466
00:21:46,558 --> 00:21:49,758
Speaker 2: careful with because again we've talked about it is entertainment.

467
00:21:49,798 --> 00:21:52,878
Speaker 2: Isn't our game entertainment. We just talked about the entertainment value.

468
00:21:52,878 --> 00:21:55,318
Speaker 2: And I still want to believe it's entertaining to have

469
00:21:55,438 --> 00:21:57,438
Speaker 2: a manager come out make a full out of himself

470
00:21:57,598 --> 00:22:00,678
Speaker 2: to defend his team. And if the more we seek

471
00:22:00,758 --> 00:22:05,798
Speaker 2: perfection and include technology to the point where there's no

472
00:22:05,878 --> 00:22:08,438
Speaker 2: reason argue anymore, there's no reason to come out there

473
00:22:08,558 --> 00:22:11,758
Speaker 2: kick dirt on home plate, the emotion becomes less than

474
00:22:12,198 --> 00:22:15,198
Speaker 2: so to me, the one thing that's the part of it.

475
00:22:15,198 --> 00:22:18,718
Speaker 2: It's not spoken about. Enough is that? And then Mendoza

476
00:22:19,238 --> 00:22:23,158
Speaker 2: incites his team, stirs it up, defends his guys. All

477
00:22:23,198 --> 00:22:26,358
Speaker 2: these opportunities that you have right there that may not

478
00:22:26,518 --> 00:22:29,838
Speaker 2: seem important from a distance, but I promise you and

479
00:22:29,918 --> 00:22:32,078
Speaker 2: you know that from a dugout in the clubhouse, they are.

480
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Speaker 3: So that's how I look at it. It's not you know,

481
00:22:34,838 --> 00:22:35,278
Speaker 3: the number of.

482
00:22:35,358 --> 00:22:38,078
Speaker 2: Challenges right or wrong, Okay, we changed the couple whatever.

483
00:22:38,598 --> 00:22:42,478
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at from the perspective that abs system

484
00:22:42,838 --> 00:22:48,038
Speaker 2: will diminish emotion and prevent and really not even diminished,

485
00:22:48,318 --> 00:22:51,758
Speaker 2: prevent forever arguments because there's no reason to.

486
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, Joe, and I thought you

487
00:22:54,878 --> 00:22:56,718
Speaker 1: were going to go there, because I think that's an

488
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Speaker 1: important let's call it a disclaimer or warning label that

489
00:23:01,118 --> 00:23:03,518
Speaker 1: should go on not just Major League Baseball, but basically

490
00:23:03,598 --> 00:23:06,638
Speaker 1: all of our society. As we can continue to go

491
00:23:06,718 --> 00:23:10,398
Speaker 1: farther down the path of technology and automation, it is dangerous.

492
00:23:10,438 --> 00:23:13,478
Speaker 1: There's no question you still have to have room for

493
00:23:13,598 --> 00:23:16,518
Speaker 1: the human element. With that being said, I will tell

494
00:23:16,558 --> 00:23:18,598
Speaker 1: you that I do like this system. I do not

495
00:23:18,998 --> 00:23:20,998
Speaker 1: like you know, hopefully it does not lead to a

496
00:23:21,078 --> 00:23:24,358
Speaker 1: full on you know, robotics strike zone being called all

497
00:23:24,398 --> 00:23:27,758
Speaker 1: the time by machinery. I think that would be a travesty.

498
00:23:27,838 --> 00:23:30,038
Speaker 1: But I do like it for a couple of reasons, Joe.

499
00:23:30,318 --> 00:23:33,758
Speaker 1: There is fan engagement. The fans totally loved it last night,

500
00:23:33,878 --> 00:23:35,918
Speaker 1: and the players actually loved it too. I mean, I

501
00:23:35,958 --> 00:23:40,078
Speaker 1: get it's it's it's a novelty right now. It will

502
00:23:40,118 --> 00:23:42,718
Speaker 1: cease being a novelty after a month of a season,

503
00:23:42,838 --> 00:23:44,918
Speaker 1: so everybody was interested in seeing how it played out,

504
00:23:44,958 --> 00:23:47,758
Speaker 1: and it worked really well, and the fans got into it.

505
00:23:47,798 --> 00:23:50,118
Speaker 1: There's no question. We see that in tennis with the Hawkeye,

506
00:23:50,158 --> 00:23:52,158
Speaker 1: and they have not gotten used to the novelty. It's

507
00:23:52,158 --> 00:23:54,318
Speaker 1: still a cool thing for the fans. That is this

508
00:23:54,438 --> 00:23:56,398
Speaker 1: fan engagement part of it. So I like that. I

509
00:23:56,438 --> 00:23:59,478
Speaker 1: think it introduces strategy, and I'm in favor of anything

510
00:23:59,478 --> 00:24:02,158
Speaker 1: that introduces strategy into the game of baseball. You have

511
00:24:02,238 --> 00:24:05,638
Speaker 1: to be judicious about when you these challenges. It's like

512
00:24:05,718 --> 00:24:08,878
Speaker 1: Aaron Boone told his group American League players last night.

513
00:24:08,958 --> 00:24:10,758
Speaker 1: He said, go ahead and challenge if you want, but

514
00:24:10,798 --> 00:24:14,558
Speaker 1: I just have one rule. You better be right, you know,

515
00:24:14,598 --> 00:24:16,758
Speaker 1: don't be wrong. Don't be wasted a challenge in the

516
00:24:16,798 --> 00:24:20,438
Speaker 1: first inning on an OH one pitch you only get two.

517
00:24:21,398 --> 00:24:24,478
Speaker 1: You keep it if you're right. But he basically putting

518
00:24:24,598 --> 00:24:27,558
Speaker 1: his players on morning, as every manager should like. Don't

519
00:24:27,558 --> 00:24:30,838
Speaker 1: be frivolous about it. You have to be really strategic

520
00:24:30,838 --> 00:24:32,718
Speaker 1: about it. And the other thing is I wouldn't let

521
00:24:32,758 --> 00:24:34,998
Speaker 1: my pitchers challenge. Pictures are the worst judges. They think

522
00:24:34,998 --> 00:24:37,838
Speaker 1: everything is a strike. They're too far away, and catchers

523
00:24:37,838 --> 00:24:40,118
Speaker 1: who have a really good idea of the strike zone.

524
00:24:40,318 --> 00:24:43,358
Speaker 1: The same with framing, they're not all created equal. That's

525
00:24:43,398 --> 00:24:45,638
Speaker 1: going to be a skill. If you're really good at

526
00:24:45,678 --> 00:24:47,838
Speaker 1: determining if that ball's a strike or not, you can

527
00:24:47,998 --> 00:24:51,798
Speaker 1: really change counts and sometimes change a game because of that.

528
00:24:52,078 --> 00:24:53,798
Speaker 1: But I do like the idea, like when we have

529
00:24:53,838 --> 00:24:56,838
Speaker 1: it on the basis the real purpose is not to

530
00:24:57,118 --> 00:25:01,998
Speaker 1: allow that one egregious call to decide a game. Now

531
00:25:01,998 --> 00:25:04,238
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a lot of hair splitting exercises more

532
00:25:04,478 --> 00:25:06,678
Speaker 1: then you're gonna have those, But that's what you're trying

533
00:25:06,718 --> 00:25:09,638
Speaker 1: to avoid. You know that bases loaded three to two pitch,

534
00:25:09,718 --> 00:25:12,878
Speaker 1: that's well, the strike's on strike. Three inning over. Now

535
00:25:12,878 --> 00:25:14,958
Speaker 1: you have a challenge, you have a fallback. I'm okay

536
00:25:14,998 --> 00:25:17,558
Speaker 1: with that. I might actually reduce it, Joe, to one

537
00:25:17,678 --> 00:25:20,518
Speaker 1: challenge per team, because I even felt like last night

538
00:25:20,758 --> 00:25:23,638
Speaker 1: five of them was a little too much, you know,

539
00:25:23,718 --> 00:25:25,758
Speaker 1: And they found in the minor leagues that like four

540
00:25:25,878 --> 00:25:27,878
Speaker 1: or five is the right number if you stop the

541
00:25:27,958 --> 00:25:30,398
Speaker 1: game down because the umpires having a bad night six

542
00:25:30,518 --> 00:25:34,038
Speaker 1: or seven times, that's not good for the game. So

543
00:25:34,238 --> 00:25:37,678
Speaker 1: I would actually maybe reduce it to one. But that's

544
00:25:37,798 --> 00:25:40,958
Speaker 1: subject I think to change as we go forward.

545
00:25:41,078 --> 00:25:43,638
Speaker 2: Beta was a good idea versus VHS, wasn't it, And

546
00:25:43,678 --> 00:25:46,078
Speaker 2: so was three D TV, and so was the Edsel.

547
00:25:46,478 --> 00:25:48,558
Speaker 2: You know that all these things came on board, and

548
00:25:49,078 --> 00:25:52,038
Speaker 2: having done the job to be sending in a dugout

549
00:25:52,198 --> 00:25:57,198
Speaker 2: it really again just waiting for the judge to declare

550
00:25:57,238 --> 00:26:01,118
Speaker 2: his verdict being some kind of hawkeye system, whatever it

551
00:26:01,198 --> 00:26:03,878
Speaker 2: might be, and just having to accept that without having

552
00:26:03,958 --> 00:26:06,838
Speaker 2: me the opportunity even except times, you know, the umpire

553
00:26:06,958 --> 00:26:08,638
Speaker 2: might be right, but you still got to go there

554
00:26:08,678 --> 00:26:10,598
Speaker 2: and just stir it up a little bit. Maybe you

555
00:26:10,598 --> 00:26:12,678
Speaker 2: could still do that, I don't know, maybe start arguing

556
00:26:12,718 --> 00:26:15,958
Speaker 2: against the system itself. But you just mentioned something there

557
00:26:16,038 --> 00:26:21,038
Speaker 2: that there's some umpires that aren't so good. So ball

558
00:26:21,118 --> 00:26:24,078
Speaker 2: strike guys, you know on the basis. I guess everybody's

559
00:26:24,198 --> 00:26:26,398
Speaker 2: almost a perfect umpire on the basis these days, right,

560
00:26:26,438 --> 00:26:27,998
Speaker 2: I mean, is it? Although there's going to be a

561
00:26:28,038 --> 00:26:30,638
Speaker 2: couple times when you can't challenge, maybe around a challenge whatever,

562
00:26:30,758 --> 00:26:32,278
Speaker 2: but the umpires on the basis.

563
00:26:32,278 --> 00:26:34,838
Speaker 1: I'd love to see the data how many times different

564
00:26:34,918 --> 00:26:37,718
Speaker 1: umpires have been overruled on the basis, Joe, that's a

565
00:26:37,758 --> 00:26:40,518
Speaker 1: great point. You just say, because they they're perfect, because

566
00:26:40,518 --> 00:26:43,638
Speaker 1: they have a fallback system of technology. That's how many

567
00:26:43,678 --> 00:26:45,758
Speaker 1: times do you not get it right? We should know that,

568
00:26:46,038 --> 00:26:47,838
Speaker 1: just like we know errors that players make.

569
00:26:48,038 --> 00:26:50,398
Speaker 2: Well, you're gonna have to then know the challenge system

570
00:26:50,398 --> 00:26:53,318
Speaker 2: with balls and strikes too. I mean, there's that little

571
00:26:53,438 --> 00:26:57,038
Speaker 2: thing on Twitter, the umpires scorecard. I've gone through that

572
00:26:57,238 --> 00:27:00,598
Speaker 2: several times, and I'll look at the umpire's name and

573
00:27:00,638 --> 00:27:03,398
Speaker 2: I try to guess how good are bad at score

574
00:27:03,438 --> 00:27:05,358
Speaker 2: is going to be before I look down at the results,

575
00:27:05,478 --> 00:27:08,158
Speaker 2: and I'm almost always right. So again it's going to

576
00:27:08,198 --> 00:27:11,678
Speaker 2: expose even though it's exposed bad calls on the basis,

577
00:27:11,678 --> 00:27:14,638
Speaker 2: nobody really seems to care, even though the scorecard might

578
00:27:14,718 --> 00:27:17,758
Speaker 2: all look good for an umpire, And there's the come

579
00:27:17,878 --> 00:27:20,958
Speaker 2: plate umpire. I think might come into a little bit

580
00:27:20,998 --> 00:27:22,918
Speaker 2: more scrutiny with that, because there's still going to be

581
00:27:22,918 --> 00:27:24,838
Speaker 2: a limited number of challenges, and like you said, if

582
00:27:24,878 --> 00:27:26,838
Speaker 2: you're out of your challenges and all of a sudden,

583
00:27:26,838 --> 00:27:28,638
Speaker 2: here comes a bad call ony after the ninth inning,

584
00:27:28,998 --> 00:27:31,678
Speaker 2: there's going to be some kind of a blowback with

585
00:27:31,798 --> 00:27:34,958
Speaker 2: the fans being upset that we don't have enough challenges

586
00:27:35,238 --> 00:27:36,998
Speaker 2: at the end of the game when it really mattered

587
00:27:36,998 --> 00:27:38,838
Speaker 2: because we were stripped.

588
00:27:38,518 --> 00:27:39,438
Speaker 3: Of them earlier in the game.

589
00:27:39,878 --> 00:27:40,998
Speaker 2: I think this is going to go to a lot

590
00:27:40,998 --> 00:27:43,878
Speaker 2: of different directions eventually, based on the limit umber of

591
00:27:43,998 --> 00:27:46,638
Speaker 2: challenges and the fact that you could still lose that

592
00:27:46,718 --> 00:27:49,118
Speaker 2: three to two count with two outs because you're out

593
00:27:49,158 --> 00:27:50,918
Speaker 2: of challenges in a latter part of the game whenever.

594
00:27:51,238 --> 00:27:52,358
Speaker 3: So I'm curious.

595
00:27:52,718 --> 00:27:55,758
Speaker 2: My biggest concern, Go ahead and do it, But I'm

596
00:27:55,958 --> 00:28:01,078
Speaker 2: as a manager, I've lost this vehicle where I could

597
00:28:01,198 --> 00:28:03,798
Speaker 2: actually lose my mind a little bit in an attempt

598
00:28:03,838 --> 00:28:06,518
Speaker 2: to stir my team up somewhat. A couple years ago,

599
00:28:06,518 --> 00:28:09,518
Speaker 2: there's an umpire in Oakland that he said something to

600
00:28:10,238 --> 00:28:13,238
Speaker 2: Max Dassy, my catcher, and I never saw Max.

601
00:28:13,238 --> 00:28:15,118
Speaker 3: He was hitting at the time. Max and he said.

602
00:28:14,878 --> 00:28:18,838
Speaker 2: Something the Empire did and I've never seen Max like that.

603
00:28:19,238 --> 00:28:20,678
Speaker 2: He come back to the dug got asked him, what

604
00:28:20,718 --> 00:28:23,238
Speaker 2: did he say to you? And he told me, I'm

605
00:28:23,238 --> 00:28:24,718
Speaker 2: not gonna mention the guy's name. I'm not going to

606
00:28:24,758 --> 00:28:26,238
Speaker 2: tell you what he said. But I walked out to

607
00:28:26,278 --> 00:28:29,238
Speaker 2: the plate and I stood on home plate, would not

608
00:28:29,278 --> 00:28:32,558
Speaker 2: permit the picture to warm up, and I demanded that

609
00:28:32,598 --> 00:28:35,878
Speaker 2: the Empire apologized to Max before we start the inning,

610
00:28:36,198 --> 00:28:38,518
Speaker 2: because it was that was that crude and rude and wrong.

611
00:28:38,918 --> 00:28:41,958
Speaker 3: So but he gave me this opportunity to show Max

612
00:28:42,038 --> 00:28:44,038
Speaker 3: I'm there for Max kind of a thing.

613
00:28:44,478 --> 00:28:48,438
Speaker 2: So anyway, I don't like when my job is mitigated

614
00:28:48,438 --> 00:28:51,198
Speaker 2: in a sense because I'm no longer that was a

615
00:28:51,238 --> 00:28:52,958
Speaker 2: part of it, man And you look through the history

616
00:28:52,958 --> 00:28:55,438
Speaker 2: of managers and what they were able to do and

617
00:28:55,918 --> 00:28:58,558
Speaker 2: part of their motivational techniques that's being stripped a little bit.

618
00:28:58,998 --> 00:29:01,918
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now it's about how good is your replay guy,

619
00:29:02,278 --> 00:29:04,718
Speaker 1: how quick he is on the trigger when he makes

620
00:29:04,758 --> 00:29:08,478
Speaker 1: the right calls. Right, I mean, it's crazy, that's funny.

621
00:29:08,238 --> 00:29:10,438
Speaker 2: Because I just thought of Chico Fernandez, my boy with

622
00:29:10,478 --> 00:29:12,598
Speaker 2: the Rays, one of the funniest guys and he's no

623
00:29:12,638 --> 00:29:14,478
Speaker 2: longer there, one of the funniest guys in all of

624
00:29:14,518 --> 00:29:15,398
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball.

625
00:29:15,998 --> 00:29:17,958
Speaker 1: One more point on the All Star Game. I'm not

626
00:29:17,998 --> 00:29:19,958
Speaker 1: sure if you saw it, Joe, but the tribute to

627
00:29:20,158 --> 00:29:24,598
Speaker 1: Hank Aaron was they missed it technological marvel. It was

628
00:29:24,958 --> 00:29:31,838
Speaker 1: just a brilliant, stirring moment with photographic mapping, projection mapping

629
00:29:31,958 --> 00:29:34,638
Speaker 1: on the field of highlights from the Run seven fifteen

630
00:29:34,718 --> 00:29:38,438
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy four. They basically played out the bat

631
00:29:38,678 --> 00:29:45,318
Speaker 1: in multiple media, including having fireworks mimic the ball going

632
00:29:45,318 --> 00:29:48,398
Speaker 1: out of the park, and they somehow arranged for this

633
00:29:48,518 --> 00:29:51,598
Speaker 1: firework to be shot off with a comet tail going

634
00:29:51,638 --> 00:29:54,798
Speaker 1: at the same speed a baseball would travel leaving the yard.

635
00:29:54,998 --> 00:29:59,358
Speaker 1: It was just remarkable, befitting someone as remarkable and as

636
00:29:59,358 --> 00:30:02,758
Speaker 1: heroic as Henry Aaron. Just a great night in Atlanta,

637
00:30:03,038 --> 00:30:05,398
Speaker 1: and hey, I guess it was fitting that, you know,

638
00:30:05,438 --> 00:30:06,998
Speaker 1: at the end of the night, and by the way,

639
00:30:07,238 --> 00:30:09,758
Speaker 1: it was almost midnight in Georgia to bring back a

640
00:30:09,758 --> 00:30:12,278
Speaker 1: lot oft night in the Pips when the swing off

641
00:30:12,478 --> 00:30:15,638
Speaker 1: was being held, that's beautiful and it came down to

642
00:30:15,718 --> 00:30:17,478
Speaker 1: who can hit home runs on the night when we

643
00:30:17,518 --> 00:30:19,798
Speaker 1: honored truly the home run King.

644
00:30:19,918 --> 00:30:22,558
Speaker 2: I gotta go here on this one. I obviously remember

645
00:30:22,638 --> 00:30:24,718
Speaker 2: exactly where I was when I watched that. I was

646
00:30:24,798 --> 00:30:28,878
Speaker 2: at Jack's Kesslerville, in a barroom at Lafayette out in

647
00:30:28,878 --> 00:30:33,358
Speaker 2: the country. Jack was a former vaudevillian. He was in

648
00:30:33,398 --> 00:30:35,558
Speaker 2: his eighties at that time, and told me eighty Collins

649
00:30:35,598 --> 00:30:37,918
Speaker 2: was the best baseball player he ever saw, and he

650
00:30:37,958 --> 00:30:40,598
Speaker 2: saw shoeless Joe Jackson in that whole group. Jack would

651
00:30:40,598 --> 00:30:44,838
Speaker 2: recite poetry. He would drink kognak every night, stand in

652
00:30:44,878 --> 00:30:47,438
Speaker 2: a corner, and he get little hammered enough that he'd

653
00:30:47,438 --> 00:30:50,798
Speaker 2: go with faces on the barroom floor, casey at the bat,

654
00:30:51,398 --> 00:30:54,838
Speaker 2: all from heart and with all the trimmings of his

655
00:30:54,998 --> 00:30:57,318
Speaker 2: time spent in vaudeville. But I saw it in a

656
00:30:57,318 --> 00:31:00,598
Speaker 2: black and white, probably a fourteen inch TV above the

657
00:31:00,638 --> 00:31:02,718
Speaker 2: bar at Jack's Kesslerville Inn.

658
00:31:02,998 --> 00:31:04,478
Speaker 3: It's a tremendous man for me.

659
00:31:04,998 --> 00:31:07,678
Speaker 1: It was stirring night then and it still is. It's

660
00:31:07,718 --> 00:31:09,998
Speaker 1: one of those historical moments that still can raise the

661
00:31:10,518 --> 00:31:13,038
Speaker 1: hair on your forearms. And especially I'm glad they used,

662
00:31:13,478 --> 00:31:15,958
Speaker 1: you know, multiple calls at the home run, but especially

663
00:31:16,278 --> 00:31:20,638
Speaker 1: Vin Scully, the master at framing a moment in this case,

664
00:31:20,758 --> 00:31:23,638
Speaker 1: not just a baseball moment, but a moment of American history.

665
00:31:23,998 --> 00:31:26,638
Speaker 1: Just a terrific job all the way around with that.

666
00:31:26,958 --> 00:31:31,398
Speaker 1: So it was March second, nineteen seventy four, by the way,

667
00:31:31,518 --> 00:31:34,918
Speaker 1: that Gladys Knight and the Pips won a Grammy for

668
00:31:35,158 --> 00:31:38,238
Speaker 1: Midnight Train to Georgia. And it was thirty seven days

669
00:31:38,318 --> 00:31:42,278
Speaker 1: later in Georgia that Hank Aaron hit number seven fifteen.

670
00:31:42,558 --> 00:31:46,278
Speaker 1: And it was last night in Atlanta in Georgia, near

671
00:31:46,358 --> 00:31:49,838
Speaker 1: midnight on seven point fifteen, that we had the first

672
00:31:49,878 --> 00:31:51,678
Speaker 1: swing off in All Star history.

673
00:31:52,118 --> 00:31:55,158
Speaker 3: Enough said, right there, brother, that's perfect, perfect.

674
00:31:54,838 --> 00:31:55,958
Speaker 1: Great night for baseball.

675
00:31:56,038 --> 00:31:56,198
Speaker 3: Joe.

676
00:31:56,238 --> 00:31:58,918
Speaker 1: I really thought it was a good showcase of you know,

677
00:31:58,958 --> 00:32:01,718
Speaker 1: the talent in the game and moving the game forward.

678
00:32:01,758 --> 00:32:04,358
Speaker 1: There's no question about that. And the bottom line for me,

679
00:32:04,438 --> 00:32:07,638
Speaker 1: Joe is the players will let you know. And the

680
00:32:07,678 --> 00:32:10,718
Speaker 1: most important part to me of that night was how

681
00:32:10,798 --> 00:32:14,238
Speaker 1: much the players enjoyed that game. I know the fans did,

682
00:32:14,398 --> 00:32:16,358
Speaker 1: and we're here for the fans, but to see the

683
00:32:16,398 --> 00:32:18,878
Speaker 1: players buy in like that, that was the highlight for me.

684
00:32:19,198 --> 00:32:21,118
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, it's the play exactly.

685
00:32:21,198 --> 00:32:24,358
Speaker 2: The players will let you know, and I'm sure the

686
00:32:24,398 --> 00:32:26,518
Speaker 2: format is going to stay similar for the years to come,

687
00:32:27,158 --> 00:32:30,158
Speaker 2: and I think now because of the success of last

688
00:32:30,238 --> 00:32:32,238
Speaker 2: night and the word of mouth spread by the guys,

689
00:32:32,598 --> 00:32:36,198
Speaker 2: you might see more players willing and wanting to go

690
00:32:36,278 --> 00:32:39,038
Speaker 2: to this event and be more accepting of it and

691
00:32:39,158 --> 00:32:41,438
Speaker 2: again realize you're still going to get two full days

692
00:32:41,478 --> 00:32:45,158
Speaker 2: off afterwards. Plush the experience of being at an All

693
00:32:45,198 --> 00:32:47,598
Speaker 2: Star game. I went to three one as a bench coach,

694
00:32:47,638 --> 00:32:49,958
Speaker 2: too as a manager, and I could break them down

695
00:32:49,958 --> 00:32:53,718
Speaker 2: for you very well, each one different. Two of them counted,

696
00:32:53,758 --> 00:32:56,238
Speaker 2: one did not, but even one that did not count,

697
00:32:56,278 --> 00:32:58,678
Speaker 2: it was kind of upset. We lost in X Rainnings

698
00:32:58,718 --> 00:33:01,158
Speaker 2: Way Davis through Home under Robinson Cano and that was it.

699
00:33:01,598 --> 00:33:04,998
Speaker 2: But nevertheless, it's special. Man, It's like it's a condemned was.

700
00:33:05,238 --> 00:33:07,838
Speaker 2: I always felt like a condensed version of the World Series,

701
00:33:08,038 --> 00:33:10,478
Speaker 2: Like there's so much happening. You get there the first

702
00:33:10,518 --> 00:33:13,798
Speaker 2: day and then home in Derby, you're signing autographs, you're

703
00:33:13,798 --> 00:33:16,318
Speaker 2: doing interviews, you're talking to people. Second that you're playing

704
00:33:16,318 --> 00:33:18,678
Speaker 2: the game, and it's just like a non it's like

705
00:33:18,678 --> 00:33:21,598
Speaker 2: con Bearer Belt of NonStop activity all day and then

706
00:33:21,638 --> 00:33:22,998
Speaker 2: eventually you win or lose.

707
00:33:23,318 --> 00:33:24,638
Speaker 3: Then you got to get out of there.

708
00:33:24,518 --> 00:33:27,678
Speaker 2: And you just take your Hellcat and you drive across

709
00:33:27,758 --> 00:33:30,078
Speaker 2: the Alligator Alley one hundred and twenty five miles an

710
00:33:30,118 --> 00:33:31,638
Speaker 2: hour heading Naples, Florid.

711
00:33:31,638 --> 00:33:32,518
Speaker 3: It was fantastic.

712
00:33:33,278 --> 00:33:36,038
Speaker 1: There's a non All Star game piece of news I

713
00:33:36,198 --> 00:33:39,198
Speaker 1: have to ask Joe Madden about. But just to close

714
00:33:39,238 --> 00:33:41,198
Speaker 1: the book on the All Star Game, Joe, I'm not

715
00:33:41,238 --> 00:33:43,238
Speaker 1: sure if this was done when you were managing the team,

716
00:33:43,238 --> 00:33:45,518
Speaker 1: but a lot of got players, especially the first timers

717
00:33:45,558 --> 00:33:49,078
Speaker 1: we're talking. Apparently there's a room like a swag room

718
00:33:49,478 --> 00:33:54,358
Speaker 1: of gratis. You know, it's provided by sponsors, and it

719
00:33:54,478 --> 00:33:59,678
Speaker 1: is Christmas morning time twenty essentially, you know, electronic companies

720
00:33:59,678 --> 00:34:02,678
Speaker 1: and gadgets, you name it, where players just go in

721
00:34:02,718 --> 00:34:04,758
Speaker 1: there and load up. Did they have that when you

722
00:34:04,758 --> 00:34:05,238
Speaker 1: were around?

723
00:34:05,598 --> 00:34:06,798
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yep, yep.

724
00:34:06,878 --> 00:34:08,478
Speaker 2: And you go in there and you try to be

725
00:34:08,998 --> 00:34:10,758
Speaker 2: you know, civil about it. I mean, you're not gonna

726
00:34:11,038 --> 00:34:12,918
Speaker 2: you want to get you want to you know, take something.

727
00:34:12,958 --> 00:34:15,958
Speaker 2: I think back dad a really cool backpack when I

728
00:34:15,958 --> 00:34:18,158
Speaker 2: was in Miami that I think I still have.

729
00:34:19,038 --> 00:34:21,158
Speaker 3: But otherwise, yes, it's it's it is.

730
00:34:22,038 --> 00:34:25,278
Speaker 2: Christmas morning and then some a little bit more sticky

731
00:34:25,278 --> 00:34:25,998
Speaker 2: fingers than others.

732
00:34:26,038 --> 00:34:27,158
Speaker 3: That's the way I can describe it.

733
00:34:27,758 --> 00:34:28,998
Speaker 1: So, how do you stay home?

734
00:34:29,878 --> 00:34:31,758
Speaker 3: Right right? Well, yeah, I'll tell you.

735
00:34:31,838 --> 00:34:34,638
Speaker 1: I guess it sounds like once you.

736
00:34:34,718 --> 00:34:36,918
Speaker 3: Get there, you're fine. It's the thought of it.

737
00:34:37,118 --> 00:34:38,958
Speaker 2: How many times is the thought of it keep it

738
00:34:38,998 --> 00:34:41,918
Speaker 2: from wanting to do something and then we actually engage

739
00:34:41,918 --> 00:34:44,038
Speaker 2: in whatever it is and we're so happy.

740
00:34:43,758 --> 00:34:44,158
Speaker 3: We did it.

741
00:34:44,878 --> 00:34:47,238
Speaker 1: Good stuff, Joe. Hey, the subject I want to ask

742
00:34:47,278 --> 00:34:51,358
Speaker 1: you about involves your Tampa Bay Rays, who are all

743
00:34:51,398 --> 00:34:53,718
Speaker 1: over the news. We'll talk about that right after this

744
00:34:54,118 --> 00:35:07,358
Speaker 1: on the Book of Joe. A couple of big pieces

745
00:35:07,358 --> 00:35:09,798
Speaker 1: of news to talk about on the Book of Joe

746
00:35:09,838 --> 00:35:13,958
Speaker 1: involving the Tampa Bay Rays. Number one, they will be

747
00:35:14,038 --> 00:35:16,758
Speaker 1: if they qualify for the postseason, playing all their home

748
00:35:16,798 --> 00:35:21,358
Speaker 1: games at a minor league ballpark George M. Steinbrennerfield, where

749
00:35:21,358 --> 00:35:23,438
Speaker 1: they're playing the regular season games. There had been some

750
00:35:23,478 --> 00:35:27,398
Speaker 1: talk about moving games to Miami, maybe Atlanta, maybe Texas,

751
00:35:27,478 --> 00:35:31,118
Speaker 1: an actual major league facility ain't happening. And number two,

752
00:35:31,318 --> 00:35:34,118
Speaker 1: and this is actually related from what I found out,

753
00:35:34,158 --> 00:35:36,918
Speaker 1: the Rays are being stold. Stue Sternberg, who bought the

754
00:35:36,958 --> 00:35:41,278
Speaker 1: team back in four for two hundred million dollars, is

755
00:35:41,398 --> 00:35:45,718
Speaker 1: getting one point seven billion dollars for the Tampa Bay Rays,

756
00:35:45,798 --> 00:35:49,038
Speaker 1: a franchise that does not actually even have a home park,

757
00:35:49,358 --> 00:35:52,678
Speaker 1: you know, their usual park, which is always felt temporary

758
00:35:52,678 --> 00:35:55,998
Speaker 1: to me. The trop is still under repair. It should

759
00:35:55,998 --> 00:35:57,958
Speaker 1: be ready by next season from what people are saying.

760
00:35:58,198 --> 00:36:01,078
Speaker 1: But the new owner wants to keep the team, apparently

761
00:36:01,598 --> 00:36:05,558
Speaker 1: in Tampa. So the whole push hole between Saint Pete

762
00:36:05,718 --> 00:36:09,198
Speaker 1: and Tampa looks like that's ending. Give me your thoughts

763
00:36:09,198 --> 00:36:11,998
Speaker 1: here on these two developments, Joe, the Rays will be

764
00:36:12,038 --> 00:36:14,118
Speaker 1: playing if they make the World Series, they'll be playing

765
00:36:14,158 --> 00:36:16,398
Speaker 1: at a ten thousand seat stadium, and the fact that

766
00:36:16,438 --> 00:36:19,798
Speaker 1: they are being sold for a billionaire developer who apparently

767
00:36:19,918 --> 00:36:21,398
Speaker 1: wants to keep them on the Tampa side.

768
00:36:21,518 --> 00:36:24,358
Speaker 2: Yeah, first of all, the playing in that ballpark, I

769
00:36:24,358 --> 00:36:26,238
Speaker 2: thought about that from the beginning, you know, because it

770
00:36:26,518 --> 00:36:29,278
Speaker 2: definitely playoff caliber group on an annual basis, what are

771
00:36:29,318 --> 00:36:31,558
Speaker 2: you gonna do? So I really thought that that should

772
00:36:31,558 --> 00:36:34,478
Speaker 2: have been addressed like almost from Jump Street, like listen,

773
00:36:34,838 --> 00:36:36,758
Speaker 2: and by the way, if we get to the playoffs,

774
00:36:36,798 --> 00:36:39,238
Speaker 2: if the Rays got to the playoffs, they're staying right here.

775
00:36:39,358 --> 00:36:41,038
Speaker 3: Okay, I have no issue with that. Really.

776
00:36:41,078 --> 00:36:42,878
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing there is the financial part

777
00:36:42,918 --> 00:36:45,878
Speaker 2: of it, where you know, the receipts from people coming

778
00:36:45,918 --> 00:36:47,958
Speaker 2: to the ballpark. Somebody's gonna have to make up where

779
00:36:47,958 --> 00:36:50,318
Speaker 2: it somehow. MLB is going to have to I think

780
00:36:50,398 --> 00:36:52,918
Speaker 2: augment the kiddie. There's going to be a different way

781
00:36:53,318 --> 00:36:56,398
Speaker 2: to draw to conclusion the amount of money made there

782
00:36:56,398 --> 00:37:00,558
Speaker 2: regarding distribution to the players and the staffs whatever host

783
00:37:00,598 --> 00:37:02,678
Speaker 2: winning or losing a World Series or just getting in

784
00:37:02,678 --> 00:37:03,638
Speaker 2: the playoffs in general.

785
00:37:03,958 --> 00:37:05,718
Speaker 1: So I think, just to follow up on that, Joe,

786
00:37:05,718 --> 00:37:09,118
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, because you know it takes a certain

787
00:37:09,198 --> 00:37:12,878
Speaker 1: amount of infrastructure. There's logistics associated with this, and as

788
00:37:12,918 --> 00:37:16,998
Speaker 1: you know, the players get a share of the postseason gates, right,

789
00:37:17,198 --> 00:37:19,478
Speaker 1: and if you're playing in a ten thousand seats stadium

790
00:37:19,518 --> 00:37:22,118
Speaker 1: instead of fifty thousand and Dodgers Stadium or forty five

791
00:37:22,118 --> 00:37:24,878
Speaker 1: thousand Yankee Stadium, those numbers are going way down. And

792
00:37:24,958 --> 00:37:29,038
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball actually acquires it holds about seventy five

793
00:37:29,198 --> 00:37:32,998
Speaker 1: hundred tickets for every venue in the World Series for

794
00:37:33,078 --> 00:37:36,758
Speaker 1: their media, corporate sponsors, you name it, right. You can't

795
00:37:36,758 --> 00:37:39,478
Speaker 1: do that at a ten thousand seat stadium. So there

796
00:37:39,478 --> 00:37:43,038
Speaker 1: are logistical problems with it. Such a small ballpark to

797
00:37:43,158 --> 00:37:47,278
Speaker 1: host the biggest event in baseball. So your point is

798
00:37:47,318 --> 00:37:49,958
Speaker 1: well taken here. But I think the point also, Joe,

799
00:37:50,078 --> 00:37:55,038
Speaker 1: is that I believe because the team is being sold right,

800
00:37:55,118 --> 00:37:57,878
Speaker 1: and a guy who wants to keep the team in Tampa,

801
00:37:58,118 --> 00:38:00,558
Speaker 1: the worst thing would be to pull the rug out

802
00:38:00,558 --> 00:38:02,798
Speaker 1: from under those fans and have the game be played

803
00:38:02,798 --> 00:38:06,638
Speaker 1: somewhere else. Trying to establish roots in Tampa.

804
00:38:06,278 --> 00:38:08,358
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, and it's going to stay there. I

805
00:38:08,398 --> 00:38:11,238
Speaker 2: totally believe that. I heard the commissioners say that it would.

806
00:38:11,638 --> 00:38:13,638
Speaker 2: I just think, like you're saying, it's to extrapolate the

807
00:38:13,678 --> 00:38:17,118
Speaker 2: money out somehow, if you had played enough thirty five

808
00:38:17,158 --> 00:38:19,238
Speaker 2: thousand to forty seed stadium, what would have looked like?

809
00:38:19,638 --> 00:38:21,358
Speaker 3: But you're hit on another thing.

810
00:38:21,398 --> 00:38:24,678
Speaker 2: I had not thought about tickets, like for family, you know,

811
00:38:24,718 --> 00:38:25,478
Speaker 2: stuff like that.

812
00:38:25,478 --> 00:38:27,038
Speaker 3: That becomes really difficult.

813
00:38:27,478 --> 00:38:30,918
Speaker 2: And then you know, corporate people, they're probably gonna they'd

814
00:38:30,918 --> 00:38:34,118
Speaker 2: have to erect some kind of temporary whatever's there to

815
00:38:34,718 --> 00:38:37,398
Speaker 2: accommodate more folks. I don't know how much the Yankees

816
00:38:37,398 --> 00:38:39,518
Speaker 2: would appreciate that, but I'm sure there's going to be

817
00:38:39,598 --> 00:38:41,838
Speaker 2: deals to be made regarding what could stay and how

818
00:38:41,838 --> 00:38:43,878
Speaker 2: it's going to benefit them down the road. But they're

819
00:38:43,878 --> 00:38:46,398
Speaker 2: gonna have to extrapolate the amount of money made in

820
00:38:46,438 --> 00:38:49,278
Speaker 2: a normal playoff situation if the stadium had like as

821
00:38:49,278 --> 00:38:51,598
Speaker 2: thirty five or forty thousand seats, and how are we

822
00:38:51,638 --> 00:38:54,158
Speaker 2: going to make it good? How they're going to push

823
00:38:54,278 --> 00:38:57,438
Speaker 2: that money into that pot somehow and eventually make it

824
00:38:57,478 --> 00:38:59,958
Speaker 2: look kind of normal, even though that's not exactly what

825
00:39:00,038 --> 00:39:02,878
Speaker 2: they took in. I can't see the prices getting any

826
00:39:02,918 --> 00:39:06,598
Speaker 2: really that much higher, because after all, they're pretty extreme

827
00:39:06,678 --> 00:39:07,078
Speaker 2: right now.

828
00:39:07,118 --> 00:39:07,918
Speaker 3: Although who knows.

829
00:39:08,118 --> 00:39:10,438
Speaker 2: There might be a lottery system to get tickets. Who knows,

830
00:39:10,798 --> 00:39:13,438
Speaker 2: But I think they're gonna have to figure that out

831
00:39:13,518 --> 00:39:17,158
Speaker 2: and somehow make it good because they're not going to

832
00:39:17,198 --> 00:39:19,798
Speaker 2: be the same amount of folks and the tenants.

833
00:39:19,958 --> 00:39:22,198
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine if the Yankees are playing the Ras

834
00:39:22,238 --> 00:39:25,438
Speaker 1: the ALCS places, those tickets are going to be. There's

835
00:39:25,478 --> 00:39:28,158
Speaker 1: only ten thousand tickets to watch the Yankees and raise

836
00:39:28,198 --> 00:39:29,238
Speaker 1: play for the American League.

837
00:39:29,238 --> 00:39:31,558
Speaker 3: Pennant, that's right, that this could be nuts. It could

838
00:39:31,598 --> 00:39:32,398
Speaker 3: absolutely crazy.

839
00:39:32,478 --> 00:39:34,998
Speaker 1: You're right crazy, But I do think there's linkage here, Joe.

840
00:39:35,118 --> 00:39:38,998
Speaker 1: I think if the team were not being sold right,

841
00:39:39,278 --> 00:39:41,558
Speaker 1: it would have been easier. And I know Major League

842
00:39:41,598 --> 00:39:45,278
Speaker 1: Baseball at least discussed it. Obviously, you think about any scenario,

843
00:39:45,318 --> 00:39:47,918
Speaker 1: what's going to happen if, and you prepare for anything.

844
00:39:48,238 --> 00:39:49,958
Speaker 1: But I think it would have been easier to consider

845
00:39:49,998 --> 00:39:52,438
Speaker 1: a place like Miami. Now, listen, if the Tigers are

846
00:39:52,438 --> 00:39:55,678
Speaker 1: playing the Rays in Miami and Lone Depot Park or

847
00:39:55,678 --> 00:39:57,878
Speaker 1: whatever they're calling that these days, you're not going to

848
00:39:57,918 --> 00:40:00,638
Speaker 1: fill the place. I'm sorry, your ALCS is gonna have

849
00:40:00,678 --> 00:40:02,398
Speaker 1: a lot of empty seats. And that's not a good

850
00:40:02,398 --> 00:40:05,558
Speaker 1: look either. So I think the bottom line here is

851
00:40:05,598 --> 00:40:08,198
Speaker 1: they are doing the right thing. It's going to create

852
00:40:08,318 --> 00:40:12,078
Speaker 1: logistical nightmares. I mean, to put together a championship series,

853
00:40:12,118 --> 00:40:16,918
Speaker 1: and especially a world series and involves literal physical infrastructure

854
00:40:17,078 --> 00:40:19,638
Speaker 1: with all the cameras, all the media coming from all

855
00:40:19,678 --> 00:40:23,598
Speaker 1: over the world. That press box there is so small.

856
00:40:23,838 --> 00:40:26,038
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it's a nightmare scenario because

857
00:40:26,158 --> 00:40:28,158
Speaker 1: it would actually be a little bit of fun attached

858
00:40:28,158 --> 00:40:30,278
Speaker 1: to playing such a big event in a small venue,

859
00:40:30,318 --> 00:40:32,278
Speaker 1: But it would be a headache figuring out how to

860
00:40:32,318 --> 00:40:34,958
Speaker 1: squeeze twenty pounds of potatoes in a ten pounds sec.

861
00:40:35,158 --> 00:40:37,038
Speaker 2: A lot of offsite stuff could be done there. I mean,

862
00:40:37,118 --> 00:40:39,398
Speaker 2: Raymond James is right across the street, and who knows

863
00:40:39,398 --> 00:40:42,758
Speaker 2: how they could somehow meet large screens, you know, the

864
00:40:42,758 --> 00:40:44,878
Speaker 2: press box. Like you said, they're not gonna be able

865
00:40:44,878 --> 00:40:46,838
Speaker 2: to accommodate everybody, so they might be able to set

866
00:40:46,878 --> 00:40:49,158
Speaker 2: things up right across the street. The parking lot there

867
00:40:49,278 --> 00:40:52,318
Speaker 2: is rather large too, ray j So all that stuff

868
00:40:52,358 --> 00:40:54,958
Speaker 2: is central to each other. So they're going to have

869
00:40:55,038 --> 00:40:57,758
Speaker 2: to be very creative on how to tie that all together.

870
00:40:58,638 --> 00:41:00,798
Speaker 2: Who knows, maybe even charge a certain amount of money

871
00:41:00,798 --> 00:41:02,438
Speaker 2: to go into Raymond James and watch it on this

872
00:41:02,598 --> 00:41:03,838
Speaker 2: massive screen somehow.

873
00:41:03,958 --> 00:41:04,798
Speaker 3: But it's there.

874
00:41:04,958 --> 00:41:07,878
Speaker 2: The facilities are there outside of that ballpark. But it's

875
00:41:07,878 --> 00:41:09,678
Speaker 2: been said, and I believe it's going to stay there.

876
00:41:09,998 --> 00:41:11,478
Speaker 2: And now it's up to the race to make things

877
00:41:11,478 --> 00:41:12,278
Speaker 2: really difficult.

878
00:41:12,518 --> 00:41:14,878
Speaker 1: Yes, And if I can put you on the spot,

879
00:41:14,958 --> 00:41:17,758
Speaker 1: Joe Manna, because you know that market so well, you've

880
00:41:17,798 --> 00:41:21,118
Speaker 1: lived it, you've breathed it. Is this now the way forward,

881
00:41:21,158 --> 00:41:24,478
Speaker 1: the better way forward? Because let's face it, the new

882
00:41:24,518 --> 00:41:28,838
Speaker 1: owner here, Patrick Zapolski, he's not inheriting the history, right.

883
00:41:28,918 --> 00:41:31,838
Speaker 1: Stus Sternberg had to kind of walk between Tampa and

884
00:41:32,318 --> 00:41:34,638
Speaker 1: Saint Pete and try to appease both sides. You know

885
00:41:34,758 --> 00:41:37,278
Speaker 1: we're going to build, couldn't get anything built on the

886
00:41:37,278 --> 00:41:39,998
Speaker 1: Tampa side, and then his latest plan kind of fell

887
00:41:40,038 --> 00:41:42,118
Speaker 1: apart to build on the current side of the TRUP.

888
00:41:42,558 --> 00:41:45,958
Speaker 1: So a new owner doesn't have that history to inherit necessarily,

889
00:41:45,998 --> 00:41:49,598
Speaker 1: at least personally, So maybe it's a little bit easier

890
00:41:49,638 --> 00:41:53,358
Speaker 1: for him to get sort of the political capital to

891
00:41:53,598 --> 00:41:56,238
Speaker 1: just focus on Tampa and where that is. I don't know,

892
00:41:56,318 --> 00:41:57,798
Speaker 1: you know that area better than me. I know some

893
00:41:57,838 --> 00:42:00,318
Speaker 1: people talk about the east side of Tampa, so you

894
00:42:00,318 --> 00:42:03,678
Speaker 1: can tap into the Orlando market. But give me your take, Joe,

895
00:42:03,998 --> 00:42:06,318
Speaker 1: what this means for the future of the Rays and

896
00:42:06,438 --> 00:42:07,878
Speaker 1: what their permanent home might be.

897
00:42:08,198 --> 00:42:10,998
Speaker 2: Well, the first thing I have to understand the kind

898
00:42:11,038 --> 00:42:13,198
Speaker 2: of the politics of the place. I mean, one of

899
00:42:13,238 --> 00:42:15,238
Speaker 2: the first pieces of advice I got when I got

900
00:42:15,238 --> 00:42:17,878
Speaker 2: there was never referred to it as Tampa Raised or

901
00:42:17,918 --> 00:42:20,678
Speaker 2: never referred to it as Saint Petersburg rais to either

902
00:42:20,718 --> 00:42:24,478
Speaker 2: the Tampa Bay Rays or the Tampa Bay Tampa Saint

903
00:42:24,518 --> 00:42:27,438
Speaker 2: Pete Rays. I mean, it's really either side gets really

904
00:42:27,478 --> 00:42:30,798
Speaker 2: offended when they're not included. So, first of all, if

905
00:42:30,838 --> 00:42:33,878
Speaker 2: it's going to be Tampa only and with all the

906
00:42:33,918 --> 00:42:36,838
Speaker 2: closeness regarding the potential of the new stadium and everything

907
00:42:36,838 --> 00:42:39,758
Speaker 2: happening in Saint Petersburg. I'm curious how that's going to

908
00:42:39,798 --> 00:42:41,638
Speaker 2: play out, because there's going to be some upset people

909
00:42:42,158 --> 00:42:45,598
Speaker 2: on that side of the Howard Franklin and the Gandhi

910
00:42:45,838 --> 00:42:48,118
Speaker 2: Causeways bridges there because they don't like that.

911
00:42:48,398 --> 00:42:49,278
Speaker 3: It's been like.

912
00:42:49,238 --> 00:42:52,478
Speaker 2: A Hafield McCoy situation for years, and I've always was like,

913
00:42:52,558 --> 00:42:55,798
Speaker 2: really curious as to why the area just can't come together.

914
00:42:56,358 --> 00:42:59,638
Speaker 2: It's such a wonderful place live. I like both sides,

915
00:43:00,038 --> 00:43:02,598
Speaker 2: and I think it's such a dynamic area. To really

916
00:43:03,038 --> 00:43:06,398
Speaker 2: unify on both sides of that those bridges are causeways

917
00:43:06,718 --> 00:43:09,438
Speaker 2: and become more unified in regards to what we're trying

918
00:43:09,438 --> 00:43:12,958
Speaker 2: to get done here, it could be unbelievably spectacular because

919
00:43:13,038 --> 00:43:14,838
Speaker 2: it is that good. I love the place. I feel

920
00:43:14,838 --> 00:43:17,918
Speaker 2: like it's a second home. So from that perspective, that's

921
00:43:17,958 --> 00:43:19,518
Speaker 2: going to be dealt with that first. I think there's

922
00:43:19,598 --> 00:43:21,878
Speaker 2: a lot of people upset if, in fact, it moves

923
00:43:21,918 --> 00:43:24,318
Speaker 2: to Tampa over Saint Pete. Now it's having said all that,

924
00:43:24,598 --> 00:43:26,958
Speaker 2: I've always felt it should be in Tampa and not

925
00:43:27,078 --> 00:43:30,558
Speaker 2: Saint Pete it's just where it's located. Saint Petersburg is

926
00:43:30,678 --> 00:43:33,718
Speaker 2: very difficult to get to. I drive that Howard Franklin

927
00:43:33,718 --> 00:43:36,118
Speaker 2: and the Gandhy at different times of the day to

928
00:43:36,158 --> 00:43:38,038
Speaker 2: go to Saint Pete Country Club, and I'm telling you, man,

929
00:43:38,078 --> 00:43:40,278
Speaker 2: when that backs up, it's tough and there's no other

930
00:43:40,358 --> 00:43:43,518
Speaker 2: way to get there. So that's always been a concern

931
00:43:43,558 --> 00:43:46,598
Speaker 2: on that side, and especially when you're talking about dinner time,

932
00:43:46,598 --> 00:43:49,838
Speaker 2: where whenever the game begins, where it repels people from

933
00:43:49,878 --> 00:43:52,398
Speaker 2: coming from Tampa over you're going to get the same

934
00:43:52,398 --> 00:43:54,518
Speaker 2: thing and reverse people from Saint Pete are not going

935
00:43:54,598 --> 00:43:57,438
Speaker 2: to want to go to Tampa. Traffic is tough, and

936
00:43:57,478 --> 00:44:00,958
Speaker 2: it keeps getting tougher because Florida's becoming more and more popular.

937
00:44:01,358 --> 00:44:04,118
Speaker 2: Having said all that, I agree, I think the new

938
00:44:04,158 --> 00:44:07,958
Speaker 2: ballpark I've always felt it should be on the Tampa side,

939
00:44:08,398 --> 00:44:12,278
Speaker 2: and I love Eybor City area Channel Cyber. Mister Vinnick

940
00:44:12,278 --> 00:44:16,078
Speaker 2: has done a great job, spectacular job with the lightning

941
00:44:16,118 --> 00:44:19,118
Speaker 2: and what they've built over there. It's really it's a vibrant,

942
00:44:19,278 --> 00:44:23,158
Speaker 2: really groovy area over there. It's near downtown Tampa, it's

943
00:44:23,158 --> 00:44:25,398
Speaker 2: near a South Tampa, which is where I used to live.

944
00:44:25,958 --> 00:44:30,398
Speaker 2: And South Tampa has. It's really an extraordinary little almost

945
00:44:30,398 --> 00:44:32,798
Speaker 2: like a hamlet. It's like a place, a great little

946
00:44:32,838 --> 00:44:37,038
Speaker 2: restaurant shops. The topography is great, the water's right there,

947
00:44:37,478 --> 00:44:40,918
Speaker 2: bike trails, everything he wants right there. So and like

948
00:44:40,998 --> 00:44:44,198
Speaker 2: you suggest that the greater proximity from Orlando, so you

949
00:44:44,278 --> 00:44:46,638
Speaker 2: might gain something from that side, but you might get

950
00:44:46,718 --> 00:44:49,518
Speaker 2: upset people not wanting to come over from Saint Pete also.

951
00:44:49,878 --> 00:44:53,838
Speaker 2: But nevertheless, I think the sitelines the ability to build

952
00:44:53,878 --> 00:44:57,758
Speaker 2: something really special there that will attract in the near future.

953
00:44:57,758 --> 00:44:59,998
Speaker 2: In the future definitely would get an All Star Game

954
00:45:00,318 --> 00:45:03,038
Speaker 2: if they really built it up properly, a nice which

955
00:45:03,078 --> 00:45:06,638
Speaker 2: they will. I always thought a something that appeals to

956
00:45:06,678 --> 00:45:09,398
Speaker 2: the entire ya not just build a baseball stadium, but

957
00:45:09,518 --> 00:45:11,398
Speaker 2: build a baseball stateia that includes the.

958
00:45:11,438 --> 00:45:13,358
Speaker 3: Arts, the youth of the area.

959
00:45:13,878 --> 00:45:16,998
Speaker 2: Make it multi fast, not just maybe the ballpark is

960
00:45:17,038 --> 00:45:19,118
Speaker 2: the ballpark, but it's just spread it out a little

961
00:45:19,118 --> 00:45:22,078
Speaker 2: bit and appeal to everybody, because a large part of

962
00:45:22,118 --> 00:45:24,878
Speaker 2: the controversy has always been that they don't want to

963
00:45:24,918 --> 00:45:27,638
Speaker 2: put that much money towards just a baseball facility only.

964
00:45:27,678 --> 00:45:29,918
Speaker 2: So I'm saying, stretch it out, make it appeal to

965
00:45:29,958 --> 00:45:33,238
Speaker 2: everybody because the area is that vibrant, it's that alive,

966
00:45:33,358 --> 00:45:36,278
Speaker 2: and it's that interesting. So yes, I vote on the

967
00:45:36,318 --> 00:45:39,278
Speaker 2: Tampa side. I love both sides. I think Saint Pete's

968
00:45:39,918 --> 00:45:42,478
Speaker 2: been to Saint Pete lately. It's just booming.

969
00:45:42,518 --> 00:45:42,678
Speaker 1: Man.

970
00:45:42,758 --> 00:45:44,318
Speaker 3: It's beautiful what they've done down there.

971
00:45:44,438 --> 00:45:46,918
Speaker 2: They really have a great art culture down there, and

972
00:45:46,958 --> 00:45:51,398
Speaker 2: the restaurants downtown are fabulous. It's just that it's difficult

973
00:45:51,638 --> 00:45:53,758
Speaker 2: to get in and out of. So that's what I think.

974
00:45:53,918 --> 00:45:57,078
Speaker 1: And folks, that's why you listen to the Book of Joe.

975
00:45:57,438 --> 00:46:00,958
Speaker 1: You ask Joe a question and you get an answer.

976
00:46:01,278 --> 00:46:07,118
Speaker 1: No obfuscation, no filigree, no answering, no agendas. Here's my

977
00:46:07,238 --> 00:46:10,638
Speaker 1: answer to your question. I love that, and that's why Joe.

978
00:46:10,718 --> 00:46:12,758
Speaker 1: I come to you each time to end our episodes

979
00:46:12,798 --> 00:46:16,918
Speaker 1: with more wisdom. And you somewhat hinted, but you held

980
00:46:16,958 --> 00:46:20,078
Speaker 1: back your hint early in the podcast on where you

981
00:46:20,118 --> 00:46:22,838
Speaker 1: were going for our thought of the day. So now's

982
00:46:22,878 --> 00:46:23,998
Speaker 1: your time. What do you got?

983
00:46:24,158 --> 00:46:24,998
Speaker 3: Well again?

984
00:46:25,038 --> 00:46:28,718
Speaker 2: I listened to that interview by with Commissioner Manfred and

985
00:46:29,838 --> 00:46:32,278
Speaker 2: I was listening what he said and how he said it.

986
00:46:32,278 --> 00:46:34,918
Speaker 2: It made me really ruminate over I mean listened Like

987
00:46:34,918 --> 00:46:36,838
Speaker 2: I said, I've been in those situations where.

988
00:46:36,598 --> 00:46:40,118
Speaker 3: You're you're charge your leader and you're you're pushing forth

989
00:46:40,158 --> 00:46:43,718
Speaker 3: a new agenda and you believe it's good.

990
00:46:43,718 --> 00:46:45,158
Speaker 2: You want to believe it's good, but you don't know

991
00:46:45,198 --> 00:46:47,918
Speaker 2: what to actually get it done and see it in

992
00:46:47,998 --> 00:46:52,078
Speaker 2: operation to know that maybe this the thought process was

993
00:46:52,118 --> 00:46:52,438
Speaker 2: that good.

994
00:46:52,598 --> 00:46:55,998
Speaker 3: So this is from cerial false see why r I L.

995
00:46:56,078 --> 00:46:58,918
Speaker 2: I don't know who this person is, but it really

996
00:46:59,038 --> 00:47:03,478
Speaker 2: I thought Nail that leadership is particularly necessary to ensure

997
00:47:04,078 --> 00:47:08,358
Speaker 2: ready acceptance of the unfamiliar and that which is contrary

998
00:47:08,478 --> 00:47:09,118
Speaker 2: to tradition.

999
00:47:09,438 --> 00:47:11,918
Speaker 3: It's exactly what's going on. He's as a leader.

1000
00:47:12,278 --> 00:47:15,638
Speaker 2: It's necessary to ensure the acceptance of the unfamiliar, the unfamiliar,

1001
00:47:15,678 --> 00:47:17,758
Speaker 2: with the whole game was unfamiliar, a lot of that

1002
00:47:17,798 --> 00:47:21,518
Speaker 2: game was unfamiliar yesterday, and that it's absolutely contrary to

1003
00:47:21,718 --> 00:47:25,918
Speaker 2: to tradition, and you have to be a strong leader

1004
00:47:25,918 --> 00:47:29,758
Speaker 2: to fight through those thoughts and roadblocks whatever.

1005
00:47:29,918 --> 00:47:31,118
Speaker 3: So that's what I thought.

1006
00:47:31,158 --> 00:47:34,998
Speaker 2: I really thought he demonstrated well what he believes in

1007
00:47:35,158 --> 00:47:38,958
Speaker 2: what he's doing. And this little quote, when you're fighting

1008
00:47:39,158 --> 00:47:42,038
Speaker 2: things that are contrary to tradition, not easy.

1009
00:47:42,038 --> 00:47:45,478
Speaker 1: That's great stuff. And Ironically, that's exactly what the commissioner

1010
00:47:45,518 --> 00:47:49,158
Speaker 1: is also doing as he works toward a new CBA

1011
00:47:49,398 --> 00:47:51,798
Speaker 1: where he's going on as speaking toward to teams to

1012
00:47:51,878 --> 00:47:55,598
Speaker 1: actually talk to the players about you talk about fighting tradition,

1013
00:47:56,838 --> 00:48:00,958
Speaker 1: about changing the economic system of Major League Baseball. That

1014
00:48:01,158 --> 00:48:03,038
Speaker 1: is the riddle of the sphinx when you try to

1015
00:48:03,078 --> 00:48:08,678
Speaker 1: solve that. But he's that's the tradition he's fighting. Good

1016
00:48:08,758 --> 00:48:11,438
Speaker 1: luck with that that. We'll save all that for another episode.

1017
00:48:11,478 --> 00:48:15,678
Speaker 1: But it's a great Court of the day and even

1018
00:48:15,758 --> 00:48:17,038
Speaker 1: nailed it once again, Joe.

1019
00:48:17,078 --> 00:48:19,918
Speaker 2: Thank you brother. This has been fun. I appreciate you.

1020
00:48:20,518 --> 00:48:23,798
Speaker 2: I'm I'm how shall I say, I'm challenging myself with

1021
00:48:23,838 --> 00:48:26,158
Speaker 2: all of this because I'm a traditionalist and I think

1022
00:48:26,198 --> 00:48:28,358
Speaker 2: I always will be, and I could the thing you

1023
00:48:28,398 --> 00:48:31,518
Speaker 2: brought it up earlier about the game, I really the

1024
00:48:31,598 --> 00:48:33,558
Speaker 2: part's about the change of the game that bothered me

1025
00:48:33,638 --> 00:48:36,958
Speaker 2: the most is when you interfere with strategy. That's what

1026
00:48:37,038 --> 00:48:38,918
Speaker 2: bothers me the most because I think as a manager,

1027
00:48:38,958 --> 00:48:41,798
Speaker 2: I lose an edge if I'm strategically stronger than the

1028
00:48:41,838 --> 00:48:44,358
Speaker 2: guy and the other dugout. So a lot of the

1029
00:48:44,438 --> 00:48:46,878
Speaker 2: rules I think have impacted strategy and that's where I

1030
00:48:46,918 --> 00:48:49,718
Speaker 2: become desjointed with this whole thing. On the other hand,

1031
00:48:49,838 --> 00:48:51,998
Speaker 2: I was like at the lead a lot of situations

1032
00:48:52,038 --> 00:48:57,078
Speaker 2: with analytics and shifts in you know, breaking down reverse

1033
00:48:57,158 --> 00:48:59,798
Speaker 2: splits and all these different things that I did and

1034
00:49:00,198 --> 00:49:02,438
Speaker 2: organizing a day and how everybody else is doing it

1035
00:49:02,518 --> 00:49:05,278
Speaker 2: right now. So I have broken from tradition in the past.

1036
00:49:05,318 --> 00:49:07,678
Speaker 2: I remember my motivation was, how about this. I walked

1037
00:49:07,678 --> 00:49:09,518
Speaker 2: into the I was ordered with the be with the

1038
00:49:09,558 --> 00:49:11,718
Speaker 2: angels at the Big Club to throw VP at one time,

1039
00:49:12,198 --> 00:49:13,798
Speaker 2: and I walked I'm walking out at the end of

1040
00:49:13,838 --> 00:49:16,558
Speaker 2: the night, and the next day's hitters the guys coming

1041
00:49:16,598 --> 00:49:20,078
Speaker 2: out early were written literally on a napkin in pen

1042
00:49:20,478 --> 00:49:24,038
Speaker 2: and thumbtack to the board, and that really bothered me.

1043
00:49:24,118 --> 00:49:25,798
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, Okay, we're in the big leagues.

1044
00:49:26,118 --> 00:49:30,158
Speaker 2: Is it that unsophisticated in regards to getting our point across?

1045
00:49:30,198 --> 00:49:33,838
Speaker 2: So that one moment when I saw that napkin thumbtack

1046
00:49:33,998 --> 00:49:37,358
Speaker 2: really did it pushed me to research more into computers

1047
00:49:37,398 --> 00:49:39,918
Speaker 2: and putting my work on computers and being able to

1048
00:49:39,998 --> 00:49:42,238
Speaker 2: create forms to do my works that I could.

1049
00:49:42,078 --> 00:49:43,718
Speaker 3: Change them more quickly when it.

1050
00:49:43,678 --> 00:49:49,318
Speaker 2: Was necessary, All because of a thumb tacked napkin indicating

1051
00:49:49,358 --> 00:49:51,678
Speaker 2: the two or three hitters for next day's early work.

1052
00:49:51,718 --> 00:49:52,758
Speaker 3: That's what all began for me.

1053
00:49:53,118 --> 00:49:55,438
Speaker 1: Great stuff, Joe. The next time we talk, we will

1054
00:49:55,478 --> 00:49:59,558
Speaker 1: be into the second half, and we're actually by games,

1055
00:49:59,718 --> 00:50:03,358
Speaker 1: well into the second half, already only about sixty something

1056
00:50:03,638 --> 00:50:06,318
Speaker 1: games eames remaining in the season. It's crazy, but let

1057
00:50:06,398 --> 00:50:09,038
Speaker 1: the sprint begin. The next time we talk, we'll we're

1058
00:50:09,078 --> 00:50:11,078
Speaker 1: talking about the second half of the baseball season.

1059
00:50:11,198 --> 00:50:12,798
Speaker 3: Cool. And the last point is it's like a roll

1060
00:50:12,798 --> 00:50:14,678
Speaker 3: of toilet paper. The closer to you get to the

1061
00:50:14,758 --> 00:50:15,758
Speaker 3: end of faster it goes.

1062
00:50:15,798 --> 00:50:17,478
Speaker 1: Man Shakespeare couldn't have said it better.

1063
00:50:17,518 --> 00:50:17,838
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1064
00:50:26,118 --> 00:50:29,358
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1065
00:50:29,558 --> 00:50:34,558
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1066
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