Speaker 1: Don't you have a slanket somewhere to feel with your farts?
Speaker 1: She's sheen am me? No me not my name? Yo? No?
Speaker 1: What is your childe Rada?
Speaker 2: I am a cook chok Yo. Life's going down before
Speaker 2: like und Welcome to like a Virgin, the show where
Speaker 2: we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes.
Speaker 1: I'mra's DomU and I'm fran Torado. And I believe this
Speaker 1: fruit fly that has followed me from home to the
Speaker 1: studio because I know it's not from the studio. I
Speaker 1: am where right here on this mic? Oh there it
Speaker 1: just left. I'm just noticing that because okay, this is virgins,
Speaker 1: this is the state I'm coming to you today. I
Speaker 1: have a kind of fucked up foot from something that
Speaker 1: happened on Fire Island that was probably I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't even know why. But I was on the boardwalk.
Speaker 1: I was barefoot, and the rest is her story. Not
Speaker 1: a place you ever want to be barefoot. That's the whole,
Speaker 1: the whole thing. You can't walk around Fire Island barefoot. No, okay,
Speaker 1: there it is. Oh, I got it. Did you see that?
Speaker 2: I got it?
Speaker 1: That was some jiu jitsu fly catching right for all of.
Speaker 2: Our vegan virgins out there. Don't come for FRANSA.
Speaker 1: Be on my ass. Okay, I promising likeness on the
Speaker 1: hunger Why must you always bring it back to the
Speaker 1: Hunger Games? Okay?
Speaker 2: So everything it just works.
Speaker 1: I'm rounding to a point basically, on Fireland, do you
Speaker 1: feel like you're invited to kill it? It's still I
Speaker 1: on Fireland.
Speaker 2: Do you think you're in security?
Speaker 1: You think you're invincible? Plan you're not lo and behold. I,
Speaker 1: you know, fucked up my foot and I was like,
Speaker 1: my foot is fine, and so I only stayed off
Speaker 1: of it for three days and then started walking on
Speaker 1: it again and that made it worse. And now I
Speaker 1: have to stay off my foot indefinitely until it feels better.
Speaker 1: So I'm coming to you today having just barely left
Speaker 1: an ram cycle. I'm feeling a little zomkeed. I'm feeling
Speaker 1: a little down. I'm also on a medication tolerance brank.
Speaker 1: So I, Oh, there's a fly. I saw you seeing it?
Speaker 2: Do you have it?
Speaker 1: The fly is our guest. Yes, this fly is sorry
Speaker 1: in the upcoming film, Yeah, Red White and Royal Blue.
Speaker 2: This fly is gonna is gonna share. You know some
Speaker 2: formative culture with us.
Speaker 1: This The Fly is actually the first out gay fly
Speaker 1: in the next season Survivor.
Speaker 2: So you are going through it, You're struggling.
Speaker 1: I'm going through it. I'm struggling. I overslept and so
Speaker 1: I'm feeling a little zomkeed. I have to lay in
Speaker 1: bed indefinitely for probably the whole week, which sounds like
Speaker 1: a really great thing.
Speaker 2: But it's not.
Speaker 1: But it's not if you are someone who already spends
Speaker 1: a lot of time laying around in bed, which I do.
Speaker 1: And so my my point to all of this and
Speaker 1: why it all comes back to the fruit Fly is
Speaker 1: I am on a medication tolerance break, so my brain
Speaker 1: is like, really really not in its best.
Speaker 2: What are you what are you refraining from taking so
Speaker 2: you can tolerate it?
Speaker 1: I mean my antidepressants, and I took out it all
Speaker 1: this morning, but I haven't been on adderall. And then
Speaker 1: I'm also not doing Estra Doll for a minute. I'm
Speaker 1: just like taking a break from it all for like
Speaker 1: five days, because I'm like, if I have to be home,
Speaker 1: why not. But then that means that my house is discussed.
Speaker 2: Do you take estradile, you take pills? I do every day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't do the shots, but oh my god, wait,
Speaker 1: this is something I can talk to you about.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So the my first I've now had two doctor visits
Speaker 1: for my foot. My first doctor visit, you know, I
Speaker 1: went to Apacha and she basically sat down, looked at
Speaker 1: my phone. She was like, you should see a derm
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, that's helpful. She was like,
Speaker 1: is there anything else that can help you with and
Speaker 1: I was like, no, that's okay. I'm just I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna go figure out another appointment and get some help
Speaker 1: or whatever. And she goes, well, how's the hormone therapy going?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm not I just talked about
Speaker 1: this with my doctor, Like you're not my doctor, like whatever.
Speaker 2: She was just like a.
Speaker 1: Random doctor that they had slotted in that was available.
Speaker 1: And she goes, well, I assume you're not trying to
Speaker 1: like fully feminize, but are you considering blockers? And I
Speaker 1: was like and like, I assume I'm gonna assume the
Speaker 1: best of this doctor because she actually seemed really nice.
Speaker 1: I assumed that she like maybe looked at my record,
Speaker 1: which had like information about me not being like a
Speaker 1: binary trans.
Speaker 2: Person still a weird thing to say.
Speaker 1: It felt like she clocked my tea. I was like,
Speaker 1: call me a brick mom, like I know, like I
Speaker 1: mean maybe I had more facial her that day or
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 2: But I was just might well have walked in saying it.
Speaker 2: She was up brick house, which she's like like her
Speaker 2: phone and that's the ringtone.
Speaker 1: Like when she said have you considered going out on blockers?
Speaker 1: I heard like the drag race like rattlesnake, Like I
Speaker 1: was like, whoa.
Speaker 2: But so I just want to say, Spiro is evil.
Speaker 2: Spiro is evil. I will say this until the end
Speaker 2: of time. Spiro is the most evil thing you can
Speaker 2: put in your body.
Speaker 1: In my experience, and in my experience, I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of girls, though have that experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah I don't. I don't know any trans women who
Speaker 2: were on Spiral actin.
Speaker 1: Well wait at all, or they were on it momentarily
Speaker 1: and then who are currently on Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like the girls try it and then so
Speaker 1: let me tell you. This woman convinced me to like,
Speaker 1: you know, get a prescription for blockers, which I will
Speaker 1: maybe try. Well, I don't think I'm gonna use it if.
Speaker 2: You want to lose all your body hair, which is
Speaker 2: a good thing, give yourself more hair, and I'm saying
Speaker 2: the possibility. If you want to lose all your body hair,
Speaker 2: make the hair on your head grow thicker and like
Speaker 2: less male pattern. If you want your like skin to
Speaker 2: soften and your fat to distribute in more womanly ways, yes,
Speaker 2: But if you want to piss every five to seven minutes,
Speaker 2: if you want to be horrifically irritable at all times
Speaker 2: and like super sensitive and want to kill yourself.
Speaker 1: And potentially never coming.
Speaker 2: I never had a problem coming ever. Well, I mean
Speaker 2: I mean like physically coming, physically noticing. Oh yeah. For
Speaker 2: for years I had no ji yeah, and led me.
Speaker 2: That's what women, and it led me to seek jes
Speaker 2: out in others. Right, Like Spiro is directly responsible for
Speaker 2: my cum fetish. Like I liked come before I transitioned,
Speaker 2: but then once I had none, I was like, give me,
Speaker 2: come give me, Come give me, com give me, come
Speaker 2: give me, come give me, come give me. Come.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: But you know, in the in the time, since now
Speaker 2: that I'm only on estradal, I don't come as much
Speaker 2: as I used to. But I come now, Okay, oh
Speaker 2: that's great. Yeah. Sometimes I even shoot, oh.
Speaker 1: Wait, you can get it back, because sometimes it's like,
Speaker 1: oh you can get it back. Okay, that's amazing. Okay.
Speaker 1: I have to say you momentarily invoked Carlie Ray Jefson
Speaker 1: with give Me Come.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I really like that. You didn't listen to the new album,
Speaker 1: did you?
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 1: I gave it one listen through. And I and I
Speaker 1: we've already talked a bit at length about Carli Ray
Speaker 1: and perhaps the youth not the problem with carl Ray,
Speaker 1: but there's like a kind of lass. There's a lack
Speaker 1: of like something to grip onto with her, Like it's like,
Speaker 1: where's the personality, where's the show womanship? Yeah? Yes, what's
Speaker 1: anchoring all of this together other than like like lovely
Speaker 1: pop music? And it's the same problem. She just writes
Speaker 1: too many songs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did prolific. Well did you see those videos
Speaker 2: of her performing in New York last week where she
Speaker 2: like cut the train of her dress off on stage
Speaker 2: and then it got rained out and so she did
Speaker 2: a show I think at Le Puissan Rouge after and
Speaker 2: like people seem to be living that's cool. I don't
Speaker 2: know that I would go see her in concert, like,
Speaker 2: I'd rather just listen to the songs Kiki. I much
Speaker 2: more enjoyed when Charlene and the folks over at Casa
Speaker 2: Dieva used to do carly Fest. That was to me
Speaker 2: the best way to see quote unque Carli rad Jebson live,
Speaker 2: which is Charlene through drag well Yes, through Charlene well
Speaker 2: Y and on a lot of acid. The carly Fest
Speaker 2: was probably during her Emotion era, which was the best.
Speaker 2: It was emotion and like the Emotion B side.
Speaker 1: I just like she writes such lovely pop songs, but
Speaker 1: she just I just think she writes too many. And
Speaker 1: at this point we have an A side and a
Speaker 1: B site to every single album, and I do feel
Speaker 1: like at least a third of them, if not more,
Speaker 1: could just never exist in no really remember when Yes
Speaker 1: spend time honing the songs that do work really really well,
Speaker 1: the songs that say something. Because with her, I've seen
Speaker 1: her in concert two or three times, and she has
Speaker 1: a great show and she's a lovely vocalist, but she
Speaker 1: there's nothing anchoring the performance together. She just kind of
Speaker 1: like runs around on stage and is cute and like,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe a little damn she diva.
Speaker 2: She's not a diva diva, she's a Betty Who. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't say that. That's kind of rude to Carly, No,
Speaker 2: that is, and also rude to Betty who she she fulfilled. No,
Speaker 2: I'm okay with who. But speaking of B sides, I
Speaker 2: saw a movie yesterday that is basically like a B
Speaker 2: side of Dracula.
Speaker 1: Oh oh wait, you kind of mentioned this to me
Speaker 1: on the phone. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I saw this movie called The Last Voyage of
Speaker 2: the Demeter, and it is based on this part in
Speaker 2: the novel Dracula bram Stoker's Dracula, where Dracula is coming
Speaker 2: over to London from Transylvania on board this ship named
Speaker 2: to the Demeter, named the Demeter, and in the book, well,
Speaker 2: because a lot of Dracula is an epistolatory novel and
Speaker 2: it's told through letters and journals and stuff. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: so this part of the novel is the captain's log
Speaker 2: on the ship talking about how there's weird stuff going
Speaker 2: on board and then the crew members are dying and
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. So this movie is about that and
Speaker 2: uses those captain's logs as the framework of the story.
Speaker 2: So it's like this small part of the Dracula story
Speaker 2: that we've never really seen in any of the adaptations before.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was good. I think it was.
Speaker 1: It was actually good. They say it.
Speaker 2: Wasn't scary at all, Like they this Dracula is very monstrous,
Speaker 2: Like it's sort of, you know, different adaptations of Dracula
Speaker 2: play around with like how much of a monster he
Speaker 2: is versus how much of a man he is and
Speaker 2: like something like you know, Francis Ford Coppola's Dracula kind
Speaker 2: of does both, and in this one it's almost like
Speaker 2: he's we're catching him at the in between state when
Speaker 2: he's like kind of getting ready to pose as a
Speaker 2: human again and like be the more seductive Dracula that
Speaker 2: we kind of know as a culture. But he's basically
Speaker 2: like a like a sort of no Swaratu vibe, like
Speaker 2: bat creature on this ship, picking the sailors off one
Speaker 2: by one, and you just see too much of him
Speaker 2: for it to be effectively scary. There was only one
Speaker 2: moment in the movie where I sort of was like, huh,
Speaker 2: I was in the theater with two other people. We
Speaker 2: were the only ones seeing it.
Speaker 1: Wait, what theater was it?
Speaker 2: Regal Essex. Okay, and yeah, I mean it was a
Speaker 2: good time. I think if you like Dracula, if you
Speaker 2: like spooky movies, you would enjoy It's a good sort
Speaker 2: of you know, slow entree into spooky season. And funnily enough,
Speaker 2: this time last year we had another sort of off
Speaker 2: brand Dracula movie, which was The Invitation, which was a
Speaker 2: more romantic vampire movie that ended up weirdly being a
Speaker 2: dract movie.
Speaker 1: Did you like that better? I?
Speaker 2: Uh, probably, Okay, I need to rewatch it.
Speaker 1: The Demeter is it? Demeter is like the goddess of spring.
Speaker 2: Demeter, Demeter is mother. She is the goddess of Spring
Speaker 2: and the harvest.
Speaker 1: Did that have a thematic link nor? Not really? Okay?
Speaker 1: Second question, do you have like a favorite adaptation of Dracula?
Speaker 2: Is it the Well, it's either Guy. It's either the
Speaker 2: Buffy episode Buffy Versus Dracula, or but no, it's Francis
Speaker 2: Ford Coppola is Dracula. It is Guy. What's his name?
Speaker 2: Gary Oldman, Gary Oldman, Gary Oldman. It's the most the guy,
Speaker 2: you know, it's the most romantic telling of Dracula. It's
Speaker 2: so lurid and outrageous, and it plays very fast and
Speaker 2: loose with the Dracula mythology. It's so visually arresting. I
Speaker 2: only saw it for the first time a couple years ago,
Speaker 2: but now it's one of my things that I have
Speaker 2: to watch every Spooky season. Maybe I'll host like a
Speaker 2: Dracula Night at my house soon and watch it. As
Speaker 2: you were saying, I was thinking to myself, time for
Speaker 2: a Dracula episode, Like I think we did a vampire
Speaker 2: did a vampire episode, but maybe specifically Dracula.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean, according to your TikTok algorithm, Spooky
Speaker 1: Season is coming out Spookie.
Speaker 2: Season, even though it's literally it's absolutely already here.
Speaker 1: Okay, you saw a second movie.
Speaker 2: Yes, So the other movie I saw was Passages, which
Speaker 2: is a new sort of sexy gay film about a
Speaker 2: gay couple. One of them is Ben Wishaw, who was
Speaker 2: cute in the the Daniel Craig Bond movies.
Speaker 1: Right, this is the iris Ax movie I remember.
Speaker 2: And they're this gay couple. One of them is an
Speaker 2: artist of some kind, the other one is a director.
Speaker 2: And the director meets this woman on one of his films,
Speaker 2: fucks her because they have an open relationship, and then
Speaker 2: falls in love with her and basically like destroys, like,
Speaker 2: you know, like ruins his whole life to be with her.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's like funny and like they're like
Speaker 2: going back and forth, and I didn't like it. I
Speaker 2: also was in the midst of a mental breakdown when
Speaker 2: I saw it, so I don't know. I still think
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have liked it had that not been true.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was very sexy. I think a
Speaker 2: lot of the sort of tricks the director tried to
Speaker 2: use to you know, frame the movie and make it
Speaker 2: visually interesting, I did not really appreciate. Like there was
Speaker 2: one scene where the couple's talking to each other and
Speaker 2: like one of them his backs to the camera and
Speaker 2: his body is covering the other ones, so you can't
Speaker 2: see either of their faces, and they're having this very
Speaker 2: intense conversation, and like I get what they were trying
Speaker 2: to do with that, but then like the dialogue is
Speaker 2: not written well to justify not being able to see
Speaker 2: their faces, and I just thought that was bad. And
Speaker 2: the sex scenes were not very sexy, even though like
Speaker 2: they're all very pretty attractive, and I didn't think it
Speaker 2: was funny, but everyone else seemed to, so I think
Speaker 2: that was just so, that was a that was a
Speaker 2: me thing. So yeah, you know, I might go see it.
Speaker 1: Wait, will it be streaming somewhere eventually?
Speaker 2: Probably soon because it's it's a movie movie, so it'll
Speaker 2: be streaming immediate. It'll be streaming very soon.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I have some very very
Speaker 1: sad news as I've been making budget cuts.
Speaker 2: No, don't say it, frand.
Speaker 1: Did I did discontinue my AMC stubs for warning? No, friend,
Speaker 1: I am sorry to call. I'm sorry. It's like twenty
Speaker 1: bucks a month and there are no good movies coming
Speaker 1: out for the rest of the year.
Speaker 2: Like, I just can't well, there might be no movies
Speaker 2: coming out for the rest of the year, because that's.
Speaker 1: What I'm trying, That's what I'm saying. So it's like,
Speaker 1: why would I pay for this? Like I saw Barbie
Speaker 1: and I will see Barbie one more time before my
Speaker 1: membership goes out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe that.
Speaker 1: It's really sad. I'm not going to see Oppenheimer period.
Speaker 2: It's okay. I don't think you would like it. I
Speaker 2: almost saw it again this weekend, but it's just three
Speaker 2: hours is very very long. Yeah, I wonder when we're
Speaker 2: just going to run out of movies. But you know
Speaker 2: what we're not going to run out of is takes.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about whatever our main episode is about,
Speaker 2: because I'm not sure which which episode this will.
Speaker 1: Far it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So this week, this past week, I was
Speaker 2: in the grips of a truly horrifying, depressive episode. I'm
Speaker 2: doing a little better now, but.
Speaker 1: Yes, the eyes closed like gripping like yes, yes.
Speaker 2: But one of the things I share that to say
Speaker 2: that one of the ways that I coped with that
Speaker 2: was looking for things in my life that were comforting,
Speaker 2: and I was very lucky to have friends that were
Speaker 2: thinking the same thing. So last week, when I was
Speaker 2: just totally like in the eye of a tornado, bottoming out,
Speaker 2: bottoming out, like truly bottoming out, like in the in
Speaker 2: the in the in the worst way, Fran invited me
Speaker 2: over to her house and took very lovely care of me,
Speaker 2: and one of the things she suggested was that we
Speaker 2: watch a couple episodes of Buffy because she knows it's
Speaker 2: my favorite TV show and it was such a good
Speaker 2: tool to get me outside of myself a little bit,
Speaker 2: and like remind myself that there are things my life
Speaker 2: that I love and also like get to share them
Speaker 2: with someone, And so I continued the premise of this show. Yes,
Speaker 2: I continued to do that throughout the week. I also
Speaker 2: watched Twister starring Helen Hunt, which is another like very
Speaker 2: comforting movie from my child.
Speaker 1: One of your favorites. I've never seen it.
Speaker 2: And then the other night I watched Garden State, which
Speaker 2: is one of one of my favorite movies, and I
Speaker 2: find it so soothing and comforting. It's like a warm hug.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean that's we're talking about comfort watches today. This.
Speaker 2: I feel like this is something that is really being
Speaker 2: talked about in culture over the past couple of years,
Speaker 2: like and definitely in the age of streaming Netflix post
Speaker 2: years and years now. Yes, because you know, a lot
Speaker 2: of people want to just watch the same things over
Speaker 2: and over again. I'm not really that type of person.
Speaker 2: I have things that I return to annually, Like I'm
Speaker 2: a big When it's spooky season, I watch these movies.
Speaker 2: I watch these episodes of my favorite TV shows. When
Speaker 2: it's the second it's November, I am watching the first
Speaker 2: two and a half seasons of Gilmore Girls, and then
Speaker 2: moving on. That's but I don't really do like and
Speaker 2: always on comfort watch. Same, but there are moments when
Speaker 2: it is very necessary when the white noise of a
Speaker 2: TV show or a movie that you know so well
Speaker 2: and love so much episode just like wraps around you
Speaker 2: like a blanket and lulls you to sleep, or like
Speaker 2: a slanket.
Speaker 1: Don't you have a slanket somewhere to feel with your farts?
Speaker 1: That's that's my Salama Hiah compression. Thirty Rock is definitely
Speaker 1: a comfort watch. I think when Rose and I were
Speaker 1: kind of thinking about the topic of this episode, you know, I,
Speaker 1: like Rose, also don't really have like an always on
Speaker 1: show that I will just watch whenever I don't know
Speaker 1: what to watch. I have like a few kind of
Speaker 1: things like that, But for the most part, you and
Speaker 1: I can definitely identify ones that are on the macro level,
Speaker 1: something that everybody returns to, which are like Friends, the Office,
Speaker 1: thirty Rock. Those are things that people will just there's
Speaker 1: billions of minutes that have been streamed of those things.
Speaker 1: Side that, yes that the writers, well I mean the
Speaker 1: pre I mean the sitcom writers. Maybe I don't know,
Speaker 1: but like the writers are not getting residuals for that
Speaker 1: is my point. But I am not like a friend's girly.
Speaker 1: I'm not really an off fisk curly. I used to
Speaker 1: be a thirty rock curly and therefore an arrested development, really,
Speaker 1: and so I would have those shows quote unquote always
Speaker 1: on in the boom of streaming in college.
Speaker 2: I did that with Parks and Rec.
Speaker 1: Parks and Rec is also another one of those comfort watches.
Speaker 1: But personally so you mentioned Buffy, you also mentioned a
Speaker 1: few films. For me. My comfort watches are like Freaks
Speaker 1: and Geeks. Currently it's Malcolm the Middle, which now I've
Speaker 1: watched seven seasons in you know, a few weeks. I
Speaker 1: love that fucking show.
Speaker 2: And then I've never watched it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know if you'll I mean, you would
Speaker 1: like No, I wouldn't, but I would so violent. It's
Speaker 1: really violent.
Speaker 2: Malcolm in the Middle, Yes, No, but it has kids
Speaker 2: in it. No, but the.
Speaker 1: Kids are played by adults. Ah, well, maybe maybe we'll
Speaker 1: we'll do a little another comfort watch trade zuse moment.
Speaker 2: Maybe.
Speaker 1: But Deep is also one of the the next time
Speaker 1: you're depressed, which will be like you know, in two
Speaker 1: days probably Veep is also I think a comfort watch
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. That is another one where
Speaker 1: it's like, if I don't know what to watch, I'll
Speaker 1: watch that.
Speaker 2: Oh I I did realize, Like the closest thing I
Speaker 2: have to and always on comfort watch is Sex and
Speaker 2: the City. I'm basically always watching Sex and the City.
Speaker 2: Like I'm not I'm not really ever doing like a
Speaker 2: full beginning to end watch through because at any at
Speaker 2: any no, no, no, it's more just that at any
Speaker 2: given moment, I'm like, let me watch that run of
Speaker 2: episodes in season Let like, let me watch Carrie's Affair
Speaker 2: with Big, Let me watch you know, Carrie and Aiden
Speaker 2: part two. Let me watch Carrie and Petrowski.
Speaker 1: Let me watch that string of episodes where they do
Speaker 1: a bunch of problematic things like four episodes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Or like I'm gonna watch when Samantha was a lesbian,
Speaker 2: or I'm going to watch a couple of random episodes
Speaker 2: from last season one.
Speaker 1: Sex and the City is it for me as well?
Speaker 2: Sex and the City. It's just it's if I don't
Speaker 2: know what to watch, you better believe I'm turning on.
Speaker 1: Sex and the City. One that is I didn't even
Speaker 1: write that down, but that is an always on watch
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, there's something about comfort shows that I think,
Speaker 1: as you said, it has a kind of numbing quality
Speaker 1: or kind of like I need to shut my brain
Speaker 1: off and fall asleep kind of quality. But that's not
Speaker 1: necessarily am that's not reflective of like the quality of
Speaker 1: the thing we're watching. It's reflective of the number of
Speaker 1: times we've watched it, which is like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: a commendment, you know. That's like, I think something that's
Speaker 1: really effective, even about something like Friends, which we've talked
Speaker 1: about before with Tommy Dorfman, Like even that show, a
Speaker 1: show that feels so excruciatingly normal and basic and overdone,
Speaker 1: still has a lasting, rewatchable power that most shows don't have,
Speaker 1: and so we have to give it to them. But
Speaker 1: I don't know what Like, So Buffy is like one
Speaker 1: of your like kind of comfort watches. Do you do
Speaker 1: you have like a memory of to like returning to
Speaker 1: one of these things at a time where you really
Speaker 1: needed it. I mean you kind of started it off
Speaker 1: with that. I feel like personally, in terms of movies,
Speaker 1: it's like Moonstruck or Catstone Dance or Hercules.
Speaker 2: Those are the.
Speaker 1: Three, the Holy Trinity and I have Moonstruck has found
Speaker 1: me at my darkest times, like I will. I have
Speaker 1: purchased it on Amazon or whatever the fuck, so I
Speaker 1: can watch it whenever I need. And I will watch
Speaker 1: that movie or Catstone Dance whenever I'm like I'm feeling
Speaker 1: down and I don't know what to do with my life.
Speaker 1: The power of film.
Speaker 2: Maybe the power of film. Yeah, I there definitely are
Speaker 2: movies that like, there are some movies that I love
Speaker 2: that if I'm too sad, I don't want to watch
Speaker 2: them because I don't want them to be sort of
Speaker 2: tinged by that sadness. Like there are some comforting things
Speaker 2: that I only want, like when I'm in a good mood,
Speaker 2: Like Marie Antoinette is one of my favorite movies, But
Speaker 2: I never want to watch it if I'm feeling too
Speaker 2: down because I don't want that to like ruin the experience.
Speaker 2: I only want to watch that when I'm sort of
Speaker 2: like lazy but feeling good and or like sort of
Speaker 2: like feeling on wee but in a sort of like melancholy,
Speaker 2: like lovely.
Speaker 1: Like nostalgic way. Yeah, yeah, I think that there, it
Speaker 1: is nostalgic. I think comfort watches are at the end
Speaker 1: of the day nostalgic. You don't. Comfort watches can't exist
Speaker 1: out of like a contemporary cannon. They have to come
Speaker 1: from like five or ten or fifteen years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: are there Do you have a comfort watch that like
Speaker 1: I really don't know about because I you know, I
Speaker 1: mentioned Malkoe in the middle, but like, is there something
Speaker 1: where it's like I would totally I mean, Buffy honestly
Speaker 1: was one of them. Yeah, you kind of inducted me.
Speaker 2: What did you think of the Buffy episodes that we watched? So,
Speaker 2: so we watched Halloween from season two, which I usually
Speaker 2: only watch in October, but since Spooky season has started
Speaker 2: so early this year, it felt appropriate, and I also
Speaker 2: thought it was good for you to see like an
Speaker 2: episode that is was almost like cartoonish in its distilling
Speaker 2: of the essence of what Buffy as a TV show
Speaker 2: was during the high school years, specifically like very Monster
Speaker 2: of the Week, everyone is sort of giving like the
Speaker 2: most like caricature version of themselves. And then we also
Speaker 2: watched on the other hand, we watched one of the
Speaker 2: best episodes of the show and one of the one
Speaker 2: of the most artful episodes, which was Hush from four amazing.
Speaker 2: Are you gag?
Speaker 1: I was gag? Can you describe that episode? Okay?
Speaker 2: So Hush is an episode of Buffy. It takes place
Speaker 2: during season four when Buffy is in college, in which
Speaker 2: a group of demons come to town. Really scary, really scary,
Speaker 2: really well done, come to town. They're definitely gay, and
Speaker 2: they steal everyone's voices so that because hearing a human
Speaker 2: voice will kill them. And while everyone is voiceless, they
Speaker 2: go around at night and cut people's hearts out, and
Speaker 2: they need seven hearts and they need to take seven,
Speaker 2: and they might take yours. I know the whole rhyme
Speaker 2: by heart.
Speaker 1: I was gagged. That was an extremely artful episode of TV.
Speaker 1: And honestly, I could have watched Buffy with you all day.
Speaker 1: I think I love that though, so happy truly, And
Speaker 1: I will be honest and say, like, if you weren't
Speaker 1: sitting there, the experience of watching it is not really
Speaker 1: the same, which is kind of why our show exists, right,
Speaker 1: Like things are enriched by way of your ability to
Speaker 1: see them through someone else's eyes, especially in a time
Speaker 1: of need or a time of ward, Like this is
Speaker 1: exactly what we both want to watch right now.
Speaker 2: Niss, you know. What I noticed was that you are
Speaker 2: a very on your phone at all times person when
Speaker 2: when TV is on. But when we were watching Hush,
Speaker 2: you were glued to the screen. I think away, Well,
Speaker 2: I think part of it is that because no one
Speaker 2: was talking, you like had to pay attention too. But
Speaker 2: you seemed very engrossed in the episode.
Speaker 1: I was, I really was, And I also just wanted
Speaker 1: to give it devoted attention because I haven't really consumed Buffy.
Speaker 1: I don't know, honestly if I like lied in our
Speaker 1: episode with Evan Ruskatz, but I think I said I
Speaker 1: watched the whole first season. I didn't. I knew it
Speaker 1: was I watched, like I think I told you before
Speaker 1: the record, but I lied on Mike, But I definitely
Speaker 1: did not watch the whole first season, like I still
Speaker 1: have thought. And you are not a kind of season
Speaker 1: one Stan, You're you're you think.
Speaker 2: No, it's kind of something that you have to get
Speaker 2: through to the good stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you need the anchor of what is developed
Speaker 1: in season one to enjoy some of the payoffs when
Speaker 1: you maybe feel it really finds its groove in season two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there are some iconic moments in season one,
Speaker 2: but it is more foundational than anything. Very similar to
Speaker 2: another comfort watch that we've talked about, Parks and Rec.
Speaker 2: Because the first season of Parks and Rec is bad,
Speaker 2: and they very clearly it's not funny. They very clearly
Speaker 2: just had it. I figured out what the tone of
Speaker 2: the show was yet, and they really figured it out
Speaker 2: in season two, and then I think, especially in season three,
Speaker 2: once they ditched that guy who Anne dated at the beginning,
Speaker 2: that straight guy. I haven't. I used to watch Parks
Speaker 2: and rec All the time, and I never watch it anymore.
Speaker 2: Actually I did watch it recently when I was home
Speaker 2: and it was on TV. I mean, that's another very
Speaker 2: specific kind of comfort watch, is just on if you're
Speaker 2: at your parents' house and you're watching their cable on
Speaker 2: a huge TV, and it's like, oh, six episodes of
Speaker 2: Parks and Recreation are on right now, or oh when
Speaker 2: when I was home this most recent time, my mom
Speaker 2: and I had gotten home from dinner and were laying
Speaker 2: in bed and Golden Girls was on. Gold We watched
Speaker 2: like four episodes of Golden Girls. I think that honestly,
Speaker 2: after our Golden Girls episode, it definitely became a comfort
Speaker 2: watch for me. I think it also for you, Like
Speaker 2: we talked a lot about the actual feeling of watching
Speaker 2: that show and how it just immediately feels comforting or nostalgic,
Speaker 2: as if you've already watched every episode, even though I hadn't.
Speaker 2: Girls it is a comfort watch for me. But Girls
Speaker 2: is one where I'm still at the stage where I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't watch isolated episodes of it. I have only
Speaker 2: now watched it through a couple times in them in
Speaker 2: a couple of recent years. There are a few episodes
Speaker 2: that I can pick out, like the beach House episode.
Speaker 2: Rewatch the episode where they do coke, you know, like
Speaker 2: those are fun to watch like with people like on vacation.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that can be very comforting, sort of in
Speaker 2: the same way that that Sex and the City can.
Speaker 1: I am almost done with my Malcolm in the Middle
Speaker 1: rewatch a show that I have like seen every episode
Speaker 1: zillions of time, and I'm trying to think of what
Speaker 1: I'm going to rewatch next because I am going to
Speaker 1: binge something since I am I have to stay off
Speaker 1: my foot and at home.
Speaker 2: I really think with fall coming up, you should watch
Speaker 2: Gilmore Girls because you haven't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could watch that without you, though,
Speaker 1: I think I would need you to doula the experience.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think you need to just
Speaker 2: you need to just jump in.
Speaker 1: Well, the other ones on my docket were Wanda Vision,
Speaker 1: which I have never rewatched. I also was thinking about
Speaker 1: rewatching Breaking Bad.
Speaker 2: No Babe, but no, no, no, no, no, you're you're
Speaker 2: you're you're an radial No no sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're right, and then I will yeah no,
Speaker 1: And then now I'm considering rewatching Girls. That's actually sounds
Speaker 1: really enticing to me. I've never watched it a second
Speaker 1: time all the way through, but uh, look, I I
Speaker 1: love I think that there's something I'm about comfort watches
Speaker 1: where at a certain point you've watched so many hours
Speaker 1: of this show or of this movie, where the characters
Speaker 1: their belief systems, they're like desires, what they go through
Speaker 1: is like in your bloodstream, and so when you're watching this,
Speaker 1: you understand the stakes more than the average viewer because
Speaker 1: you're just like, I'm so in this. I felt like
Speaker 1: that when I was rewatching Malcolm in the Middle, because
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's a show about
Speaker 1: the widest possible suburban family. You know, that's like dysfunctional
Speaker 1: sitcom hijinks like teenage like you know, hood lamentous and
Speaker 1: like it's it's so average, and yet I became emotional
Speaker 1: and reactive and like so invested in what are really
Speaker 1: really you know, nondescript characters and plotlines because I've watched
Speaker 1: it seventeen times and I understand innately they're the character's
Speaker 1: desires more because.
Speaker 2: Of that, well, I think that these these comfort watches
Speaker 2: almost become like fairy tales or like bedtime stories. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like these these like tropy, well trodden, well worn
Speaker 2: fables that we know by heart, but we still want
Speaker 2: to hear again and again.
Speaker 1: Wait, have you ever watched maccol in the Middle? Never? Never, Never? Never?
Speaker 1: Maybe I will make you watch it.
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's something about it, about its violence
Speaker 1: and about Lois the mom that really appeal to you,
Speaker 1: because it's so absurdist and extreme, like the characters, and
Speaker 1: the characters are all like godless heathens and beholden to
Speaker 1: their like supreme id, like they just make decisions based
Speaker 1: on what they want in exactly that moment, instead of
Speaker 1: thinking about the ramifications or whether it affects anybody else,
Speaker 1: and that's so fun to watch. I love watching characters
Speaker 1: that just like fuck up over and over and over
Speaker 1: again and never get what they want.
Speaker 2: I mean saying, that's why I love Sex and the City.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, yeah, exactly, yeah yeah, and that's why
Speaker 1: I hate and just like that and just like that
Speaker 1: will never be a comfort watch. No, even though you
Speaker 1: haven't you rewatched the first I.
Speaker 2: Rewatched the first season in the lead up to season two,
Speaker 2: but it was in no way comforting. It actually was discomforting.
Speaker 2: We do, yeah, really discomforting. I mean they're obviously, you know,
Speaker 2: seasonal comfort watches, like I was saying, like the things
Speaker 2: that I have to watch every Halloween, every Thanksgiving. Like
Speaker 2: we've talked about this before the way, I think that
Speaker 2: Coyote Ugly is a Thanksgiving movie and I watch it
Speaker 2: every year on Thanksgiving along with Blair Waldorf Must Pie,
Speaker 2: which I think is the superior Gossip Girl Thanksgiving episode.
Speaker 2: I know everyone loves the one with what You Say song,
Speaker 2: but I think Blair Waldorf Must Pie.
Speaker 1: Outsold Blair Waldorf Must Pie.
Speaker 2: In the summer, I love watching Mamma Mia Okay because
Speaker 2: it just amazing.
Speaker 1: It's a summer movie.
Speaker 2: It is. It is a summer movie.
Speaker 1: What are my seasonal watches?
Speaker 2: Are you like a Charlie Brown girl? Were you ever?
Speaker 2: Did you ever do that? I did? I mean I
Speaker 2: grew a great pumpkin.
Speaker 1: Charlie Brown grew up Christian and therefore, yeah, we watched
Speaker 1: all of those every We watch all the Charlie Brown movies,
Speaker 1: like every year for Christmas and Thanksgiving, and I think
Speaker 1: there's an Easter one and there's I don't know, but
Speaker 1: not so much anymore.
Speaker 2: Do you have any do you have any comforting things
Speaker 2: that are like disturbing but like you find them comforting.
Speaker 1: I'm hearing an answer from you in there somewhere. That's
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Malcolm in the Middle is sometimes
Speaker 1: very disturbing, Like sometimes the actual plot of Malcolm in
Speaker 1: the Middle is like what the fuck? But that is
Speaker 1: just like I think in a late nineties early hots
Speaker 1: sitcom thing like honestly, actually with a lot of comfort
Speaker 1: watches early aughtsness is a cultural thing that all of
Speaker 1: these are beholden to. We're in. It's just like you
Speaker 1: see through or you have to just like not see
Speaker 1: the stuff that's like problematic or weird or doesn't make
Speaker 1: sense in like twenty twenty three or like whatever, because
Speaker 1: that's just the time. But also it's just like those
Speaker 1: shows are operating on a whole different plane of reality.
Speaker 1: Like if if we launched Sex, and if we launched
Speaker 1: Not Second, if we launch like Malcolm in the Middle
Speaker 1: today in twenty twenty three, people would be like what,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it wouldn't make esthetic
Speaker 1: sense in conversation with the rest of things right now.
Speaker 1: And I think what I'm getting out, honestly is like
Speaker 1: I miss sitcoms. I miss situational irony sitcoms where it's
Speaker 1: like truly slapstick, all physical comedy and all of like
Speaker 1: the plot rounding out to this like perfect resolution where
Speaker 1: like the thing that was not supposed to happen happened,
Speaker 1: and it's exactly you know, stopping the character from getting
Speaker 1: the thing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why they're perfect as a comfort watch, because
Speaker 2: that's why sitcoms are great and why they exist in
Speaker 2: syndication is because you can just tune in for half
Speaker 2: an hour and the entire storyline will be resolved within
Speaker 2: thirty minutes and you don't really have to know much
Speaker 2: going into it, and you don't really have to think
Speaker 2: about much coming out of it, right, Okay, wait, so
Speaker 2: what's your disturbing humfort watch? I well, you know, I
Speaker 2: like horror, so there are some scary movies that I
Speaker 2: do find very comforting. I rewatched The Ring recently. That
Speaker 2: was one that I used to watch a lot as
Speaker 2: a teenager. And what I've only watched that once. It's
Speaker 2: so good, we should maybe do a Ring episode for Halloween.
Speaker 2: I have since so uh, I experienced some trauma like
Speaker 2: seven years ago, and in the aftermath, my friend and
Speaker 2: I watched the Sweeney Todd movie with Johnny Depp, So
Speaker 2: I like, weirdly find that. I mean, I love I
Speaker 2: find Sweeney Todd comforting in general, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: obviously very dark, but like that movie specifically is very
Speaker 2: soothing to me because it was at that time. You know,
Speaker 2: what's really soothing to me that is reminiscent of Sweeney
Speaker 2: Todd is things.
Speaker 1: That are anchored by little I sticking it to the man,
Speaker 1: like unlikely hero circumnavigating all the things to get to
Speaker 1: where they are, usually in some sort of kind of
Speaker 1: revenge plotline. I think are very satisfying, which is why
Speaker 1: I loves me. You taught oh revenge, Revenge. We were
Speaker 1: talking about this last night.
Speaker 2: Kill Bill. Yes, I watched it this week. Big comfort
Speaker 2: movie for me, and it's so bloody.
Speaker 1: I'll watch kill Bill.
Speaker 2: Two with you. Let's do that this week. Yeah, let's
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: Let's do it right now, Let's.
Speaker 2: Do it because. Oh and maybe we should do a
Speaker 2: kill Bill episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love virgins.
Speaker 2: Let us know if you want that, I said.
Speaker 1: To you on the phone yesterday. I feel like I
Speaker 1: need to do some sort of actual crystal clear hierarchy.
Speaker 1: But I do feel like kill Bill one and two
Speaker 1: is in my favorite films of all time top ten lists.
Speaker 2: I do think we should maybe on Instagram or maybe
Speaker 2: this could be a Patreon thing release or release ju job.
Speaker 2: We should we should put out like our top ten
Speaker 2: movies TV show Lisa.
Speaker 1: Maybe that'll be a Patriotics pat exclusive. Okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: we should do that. I love lists.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, what about comfort books?
Speaker 1: Do you? Oh?
Speaker 2: Are you a big rereader?
Speaker 1: Not anymore, but I have read the Wizard of Oz
Speaker 1: many times throughout my childhood and teenage years, Like the
Speaker 1: original Frank album Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 2: I was like that with the movie The Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 2: I actually just watched it recently.
Speaker 1: What about you.
Speaker 2: I mean, i'vey read every Harry Potter books so many times. Oh,
Speaker 2: I didn't know that, and I used to be a
Speaker 2: big rereader. I've re read American Gods by Neil Gaiman,
Speaker 2: which is one of my favorite books many times. Actually
Speaker 2: most of his books. I've reread, American Gods, the entirety
Speaker 2: of Sandman Never Wear Like. Those are kind of the
Speaker 2: three that I've reread a lot. And American Gods. Have
Speaker 2: actually listened to the audiobook twice.
Speaker 1: It was it was a book.
Speaker 2: I used to read it once a year and it
Speaker 2: was like very ritualistic and I always got something new
Speaker 2: from it every time I read it.
Speaker 1: Didn't they make a TV show or something?
Speaker 2: It kind of I only watched the first season. I've
Speaker 2: heard that it fell off as American Gods is about
Speaker 2: the sort of pantheon of gods from a bunch of
Speaker 2: different cultures and religions who are falling out of power
Speaker 2: because new gods of sort of technology and industrialization have
Speaker 2: risen up and there is a war between them over
Speaker 2: sort of the energy and attention of humans and there's
Speaker 2: this ex Khan who is caught in the middle of
Speaker 2: this battle. That sounds amazing, it's incredible, it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's there's a reason why I read it so many times.
Speaker 1: And it's a it's an actual book. It's not a
Speaker 1: graphic novel. No.
Speaker 2: Sandman is a graphic novel and is like similar. It's
Speaker 2: it's like was Sandman was came before American Gods, and
Speaker 2: you can see Neil Gaiman working up to a lot
Speaker 2: of the stuff that he explored in American Gods through Sandman.
Speaker 2: H Oh, what about comfort music? What? What's the album?
Speaker 2: What are the albums that you listen to when you
Speaker 2: need like a good cry, or you need to feel
Speaker 2: good or like to feel in your body or whatever.
Speaker 1: Oh, tegn in Sarah, maybe teaken in Sarah. I have
Speaker 1: a seasonal comfort music listen, which is the album Metals
Speaker 1: by Feist, which is so love. Metals is so good
Speaker 1: and it's singed in my brain in memory association with
Speaker 1: like the most probably one of my darkest depressive episodes
Speaker 1: and periods in college when it came out, and it's
Speaker 1: so imbued with a lot of that Actually around this
Speaker 1: around the same time, you'd be like that year. The
Speaker 1: year before Kanye West, my Beautiful Dark Twist Fantasy also
Speaker 1: came out. That was something that I have like core
Speaker 1: memory association with, Like if any song from that album played,
Speaker 1: I would be shot back in time to exactly where
Speaker 1: I was when it came out, in the emotional state
Speaker 1: I was in. I like music that makes me feel
Speaker 1: like that, But I feel like no, in terms of
Speaker 1: like things that I'll actually really revisit these days, I
Speaker 1: don't know, do you? What would your answer be?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Mine are like horses by Patti Smith in Rainbows,
Speaker 2: the Radiohead album, the Into the Woods Broadway revival recording
Speaker 2: with Vanessa Williams.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a that is a very you answer.
Speaker 2: And the Garden State soundtrack. Oh, and the Marie Antoinette soundtrack,
Speaker 2: which I am dying to own on vinyl, but it's
Speaker 2: so rare that I can only find it for like
Speaker 2: five hundred dollars on eBay.
Speaker 1: That's crazy because it used to be stocked down at
Speaker 1: the Urban Outfitters coffee table.
Speaker 2: Like, it's so hard to find out, and I have
Speaker 2: come so close to just going for it a couple
Speaker 2: of times, but it's really hard to justify spending that
Speaker 2: much on a record, but it is like my favorite
Speaker 2: soundtrack of all time.
Speaker 1: Okay, now, okay, I'm I'm. I opened a playlist on
Speaker 1: my phone that has like kind of my personal list
Speaker 1: of like no skip albums, of which Metals is on there.
Speaker 1: In terms of like music that shoots me back to
Speaker 1: a certain period in time, it's definitely Frank Ocean's Channel Orange,
Speaker 1: my first boyfriend in Chicago, my first job living in
Speaker 1: the city alone, like I have every time any song
Speaker 1: from that album clicks on, That's where I'm sent. Casey
Speaker 1: Musgrave's Golden Hour a very specific period of my life.
Speaker 1: The Miseducation of Lauren Hill, I think feels like nostalgia,
Speaker 1: feels like this warmth is something that I could flip
Speaker 1: on at any moment and I will feel home or
Speaker 1: comforted or like good in the music. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: those I think like I have like a kind of
Speaker 1: it is about memory. It's it's literally only about memory.
Speaker 1: You Know. What's a kind of recent one that is
Speaker 1: now definitely ingrained in my mind for ever is Fetch
Speaker 1: the Bolt Cutters.
Speaker 2: Oh so good, but it's also so triggering early COVID.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's exactly where it sends me.
Speaker 2: Oh, what about comfort food? What are your comfort food?
Speaker 1: Oh? I love that. My comfort foods are a rotisserie
Speaker 1: chicken sandwich with cheddar, cheese, avocado, and lime on a
Speaker 1: two dollars bagette which used to be a one dollar bagette.
Speaker 1: But pious are crazy these days, Am I right? Ladies? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I would say a burrito, but there's there are
Speaker 1: no good burritos in New York. There's the fruit fly again.
Speaker 1: She's coming back for the comfort food conversation.
Speaker 2: Current comfort food is our blood?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I yah know, I definitely. I don't know that.
Speaker 1: That's the first thing came to mind.
Speaker 2: What about you McDonald's two cheeseburger meal and a four
Speaker 2: piece chicken nugget? Uh, spaghetti and meatballs okay? Uh low
Speaker 2: maine and an egg roll?
Speaker 1: Loa, maee, that's a really good one.
Speaker 2: My mom's mac and cheese from when I was a
Speaker 2: kid that was baked in the oven with ground beef
Speaker 2: in it and breadcrumbs on top.
Speaker 1: Any Thanksgiving food? Oh yeah, I love Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean stuffing. I love stuffing, string being castrole,
Speaker 2: very comforting.
Speaker 1: Sweet potato like no colonialism, but like Thanksgiving food yea.
Speaker 2: Honestly, for me, I think comforting food. Comfort food is
Speaker 2: like all savory, like I love sweets, but I am
Speaker 2: more of a savory person. And yeah, like a like
Speaker 2: a starchy savory food is the most comforting.
Speaker 1: I need starch, I need bread, I need glucose. Sorry, glucose, goddess.
Speaker 1: I don't find cheese very comforting. I love cheese.
Speaker 2: I love cheese, but it's comfort and liking something wait
Speaker 2: are different.
Speaker 1: Things, duh. In actuality, since I was a kid, one
Speaker 1: of my number one foods, if not the number one
Speaker 1: comfort food that I will eat for dinner all the time,
Speaker 1: is like an extravagant cheese board. I will put together
Speaker 1: multiple cheeses, meats like fresh fruit, like dried fruits, like nuts,
Speaker 1: three different kinds of crackers for myself and eat it
Speaker 1: for dinner.
Speaker 2: Girl dinner, see girl dinner. See. For me, comfort food
Speaker 2: has to be something that someone else made for me
Speaker 2: or I purchased, so it can't. The only exception is
Speaker 2: a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. There are some nights
Speaker 2: when I'm feeling some type of way and all I
Speaker 2: want to eat is just a peanut, butter and jelly sandwich.
Speaker 2: I will eat it standing up in my kitchen and
Speaker 2: it will just take me back to this like childhood
Speaker 2: place where everything is simple and safe and I don't
Speaker 2: cut the crust off, and it has to be grape
Speaker 2: jelly okay, and it has to be whole we bread.
Speaker 2: I also am and creamy peanut butter. I'm also like
Speaker 2: a whole weet bread purists. I'm also creamy peanut butter purist.
Speaker 2: I did not grow up on grape jelly. We were
Speaker 2: in apricot and strawberry family. We were big on preserves.
Speaker 2: A PBNJ is also something where it's just like if
Speaker 2: it hits, if that's my craving, if that's what's in
Speaker 2: the fridge. It's so satisfying and I personally, please, this
Speaker 2: is a safe space. I know to say this, I
Speaker 2: must dunk it in milk. I must dunk Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I get the milk. I don't not the dunking so much,
Speaker 2: but but having a glass of milk to go with it, yes, nice.
Speaker 2: What to you is the most comforting place in the world.
Speaker 2: It could be like a city, It could be like
Speaker 2: a piece of furniture. It could be like a location
Speaker 2: like where is where do you feel the most like
Speaker 2: swaddled by comfort.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm sure a lot of people's answers
Speaker 1: is like my mom's couch and like blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and it's like that's just not my tar like home,
Speaker 1: like Chicago home does not bring me comfort in any way. Sorry, parents,
Speaker 1: they already know this, but I will say, because it's
Speaker 1: the only thing I can think of, a vacation share
Speaker 1: on Fire Island, and that's only like this is only
Speaker 1: our second annual time doing it, but that will be
Speaker 1: I think true for me through my adulthood, is like
Speaker 1: I will always want like a beach house vacation share
Speaker 1: with a bunch of my friends, and honestly, it doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be Fire Island, but I think it is
Speaker 1: Fire Island because we're doing this every year now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, forever forever. But I think mine is kind of
Speaker 2: a Mine is probably my grandparents country club, the buffet there.
Speaker 2: That's good. That's good, and then also my mom's bed, okay,
Speaker 2: but then also the backseat of a car that's full
Speaker 2: of people I love, Like it doesn't matter what car
Speaker 2: like where we're going, but that is very comforting.
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Speaker 2: let's start with Red White and Royal Blue.
Speaker 1: Let's start with So I.
Speaker 2: Read this, you know, during like peak COVID in LA,
Speaker 2: because I had heard it was basically fan fiction if
Speaker 2: it was a novel, and I'd heard people be like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's definitely Harry Potter fan fiction with the names changed,
Speaker 2: or like, it's definitely this fan fiction with the name change.
Speaker 2: What it actually is the girls seem to have concluded,
Speaker 2: is it is Andrew Garfield, Jesse whatever, social network, Jesse
Speaker 2: Eisenberg social network, real person fan fiction. No, because Casey
Speaker 2: mcquinston was apparently very involved in that fandom on Tumblr,
Speaker 2: and so that is the that is the lore. That is.
Speaker 1: I hate that it also like doesn't there's nothing. As
Speaker 1: someone who read the book and watched the movie, I
Speaker 1: see zero connection really other than the fact there that
Speaker 1: they're like two guys. Yeah, anyway, but that's fine.
Speaker 2: So I liked the book a.
Speaker 1: Lot, and you prostlytized it to your two best friends.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: I made you read it. I made Ryan read it.
Speaker 2: One of you I won't say who found it very
Speaker 2: sexually excited.
Speaker 1: I also thought, oh I just gave it away. I
Speaker 1: also found it very sexy. I thought the sex scenes
Speaker 1: were written so well, even though they were eclipsey ya,
Speaker 1: they were still good eclipsey y A sex scenes.
Speaker 2: Yes. And then you know Casey mcquinston's second novel, One
Speaker 2: Last Stop, I did not like. I didn't read their
Speaker 2: young adult book.
Speaker 1: Didn't read Sarah Wheeler.
Speaker 2: I did not read Sarah Wheeler. And then the news
Speaker 2: of this movie came out and I was. I thought
Speaker 2: that was great, because you know, there is absolutely right
Speaker 2: now a cottage industry of big screen romance novel adaptations,
Speaker 2: because we are in this huge boom of romance novels
Speaker 2: thanks to TikTok, thanks to e readers, thanks to book
Speaker 2: Tube and books to gram. You know, romance thanks to
Speaker 2: Rose Codpiece Reppers. Romance rules right now in the book world,
Speaker 2: and that's what everyone wants. And that's why when you, like,
Speaker 2: a couple of months ago, I went to the Barnes
Speaker 2: and Noble in the town where I grew up, and
Speaker 2: they have totally reorganized the store, and like the pride
Speaker 2: of place is the romance section. You know, it's like
Speaker 2: the Colleen Hoover of it all and like that kind
Speaker 2: of shit. So I was not surprised that this movie
Speaker 2: was going to get made. I was, I guess, not
Speaker 2: surprised when it was gonna be an Amazon movie.
Speaker 1: When you read it, it's like a movie. It's cinematic,
Speaker 1: very cinematic, reads like a movie. It was destined to
Speaker 1: be a film. I'm I was, yeah, so excited, still
Speaker 1: was excited.
Speaker 2: And so so Fran and I actually saw a very
Speaker 2: early screening of the movie back in a.
Speaker 1: Brol May a while.
Speaker 2: Ago, a while ago, so it it's been a while
Speaker 2: for Frans since we saw it. I did watch it
Speaker 2: again last night because we've been we've been embargoed. I
Speaker 2: watched it again last night because A I wanted to
Speaker 2: see it again, like I had just planned on watching
Speaker 2: it again anyway, and also I wanted to see if
Speaker 2: anything had changed from our first viewing of it, which
Speaker 2: I don't even know if i'd be allowed to say
Speaker 2: if anything had changed, but nothing really did, and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, they were like placeholders.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just wanted to kind of refresh my
Speaker 2: memory for this conversation. So top line from when we
Speaker 2: saw the movie a couple months ago. I think we
Speaker 2: both liked it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I walked out of it. Let me tell you, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's be real, Rose. We walked out of this
Speaker 1: theater and I had a lot of thoughts and I
Speaker 1: just kind of, without really getting much of your take,
Speaker 1: like outside in the middle of midtown, just started like
Speaker 1: rattling them all off to you. Yeah, and you were like, girl,
Speaker 1: it's not that deep. And then you kind of pushed
Speaker 1: me a little back about some things that I was
Speaker 1: feeling that were maybe negative, and just like also being like,
Speaker 1: what what about this? Why wasn't this this and this
Speaker 1: and this? And I felt like a lot of what
Speaker 1: I was actually feeling was a supremely fan based attachment
Speaker 1: to the text of the book and how good that
Speaker 1: book felt, and me expecting the film to not. I'm not,
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not one of those girls that needs
Speaker 1: like a very accurate book adaptation, but I do need
Speaker 1: the movie to feel as good as the book. I
Speaker 1: want to come out of the theater feeling some of
Speaker 1: the same things, which I know is not a very
Speaker 1: realistic expectation.
Speaker 2: The book is both comforting and exciting.
Speaker 1: Sexy and cute. Yeah, comfort ance is so many different things.
Speaker 2: I think comforting because it relies on so many well
Speaker 2: trodden tropes that we love, because it feels like fan
Speaker 2: fiction of something, like there's something about it that feels familiar,
Speaker 2: and yet it is a very exciting love story. It's
Speaker 2: like a love story that feels like what would have
Speaker 2: been about straight people ten years ago, and it's about
Speaker 2: queer people and that's great. Like there's a very diverse
Speaker 2: cast of characters. It like the stuff that happens in
Speaker 2: it is kind of thrilling, like seeing a storyline about
Speaker 2: like public outing about famous queer people. It's interesting. Top line.
Speaker 2: I really liked it, Yeah, but I do have problems
Speaker 2: with it, and a lot of those problems are about
Speaker 2: Those problems kind of fall into two categories. They're about
Speaker 2: either the things that were changed or just completely cut
Speaker 2: from adapting the novel. And then they're about the quality
Speaker 2: of the movie, not really about the performances so much
Speaker 2: or the writing. Really it's more technical than that.
Speaker 1: And top line, for me, it was kind of some
Speaker 1: it was some of the reverse, Like I felt like
Speaker 1: I walked out of it being like I don't love
Speaker 1: how a lot of the writing was adapted. I don't
Speaker 1: know if the right jokes were picked, I don't know
Speaker 1: if the tone was totally nailed, And I also took
Speaker 1: issue with some of the acting. But I all in
Speaker 1: all was like, this movie delivers what it promises, and
Speaker 1: I have to accept it for what it is, which
Speaker 1: is very determinedly in what I would refer to as
Speaker 1: a love Simon genre of media.