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Speaker 1: Don't you have a slanket somewhere to feel with your farts?

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Speaker 1: She's sheen am me? No me not my name? Yo? No?

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Speaker 1: What is your childe Rada?

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Speaker 2: I am a cook chok Yo. Life's going down before

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Speaker 2: like und Welcome to like a Virgin, the show where

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Speaker 2: we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes.

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Speaker 1: I'mra's DomU and I'm fran Torado. And I believe this

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Speaker 1: fruit fly that has followed me from home to the

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Speaker 1: studio because I know it's not from the studio. I

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Speaker 1: am where right here on this mic? Oh there it

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Speaker 1: just left. I'm just noticing that because okay, this is virgins,

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Speaker 1: this is the state I'm coming to you today. I

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Speaker 1: have a kind of fucked up foot from something that

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Speaker 1: happened on Fire Island that was probably I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know why. But I was on the boardwalk.

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Speaker 1: I was barefoot, and the rest is her story. Not

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Speaker 1: a place you ever want to be barefoot. That's the whole,

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Speaker 1: the whole thing. You can't walk around Fire Island barefoot. No, okay,

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Speaker 1: there it is. Oh, I got it. Did you see that?

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Speaker 2: I got it?

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Speaker 1: That was some jiu jitsu fly catching right for all of.

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Speaker 2: Our vegan virgins out there. Don't come for FRANSA.

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Speaker 1: Be on my ass. Okay, I promising likeness on the

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Speaker 1: hunger Why must you always bring it back to the

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Speaker 1: Hunger Games? Okay?

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Speaker 2: So everything it just works.

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Speaker 1: I'm rounding to a point basically, on Fireland, do you

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Speaker 2: Do you think you're in security?

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Speaker 1: You think you're invincible? Plan you're not lo and behold. I,

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Speaker 1: you know, fucked up my foot and I was like,

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Speaker 1: have to stay off my foot indefinitely until it feels better.

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Speaker 1: So I'm coming to you today having just barely left

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Speaker 1: an ram cycle. I'm feeling a little zomkeed. I'm feeling

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Speaker 1: a little down. I'm also on a medication tolerance brank.

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Speaker 1: So I, Oh, there's a fly. I saw you seeing it?

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Speaker 2: Do you have it?

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Speaker 1: The fly is our guest. Yes, this fly is sorry

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Speaker 1: in the upcoming film, Yeah, Red White and Royal Blue.

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Speaker 2: This fly is gonna is gonna share. You know some

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Speaker 2: formative culture with us.

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Speaker 1: This The Fly is actually the first out gay fly

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Speaker 1: in the next season Survivor.

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Speaker 2: So you are going through it, You're struggling.

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Speaker 1: I'm going through it. I'm struggling. I overslept and so

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Speaker 1: But it's not if you are someone who already spends

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Speaker 1: And so my my point to all of this and

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Speaker 1: I am on a medication tolerance break, so my brain

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Speaker 2: What are you what are you refraining from taking so

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Speaker 1: I mean my antidepressants, and I took out it all

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Speaker 2: Do you take estradile, you take pills? I do every day.

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Speaker 1: So the my first I've now had two doctor visits

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Speaker 1: It felt like she clocked my tea. I was like,

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Speaker 1: Like when she said have you considered going out on blockers?

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Speaker 2: But so I just want to say, Spiro is evil.

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Speaker 2: Spiro is evil. I will say this until the end

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Speaker 2: You want to lose all your body hair, which is

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Speaker 2: But if you want to piss every five to seven minutes,

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Speaker 2: I never had a problem coming ever. Well, I mean

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Speaker 2: But you know, in the in the time, since now

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Speaker 1: I have to say you momentarily invoked Carlie Ray Jefson

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Speaker 1: I really like that. You didn't listen to the new album,

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Speaker 2: So it's like this small part of the Dracula story

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 2: It was good. I think it was.

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Speaker 1: That's that's my Salama Hiah compression. Thirty Rock is definitely

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Speaker 2: And then I've never watched it.

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Speaker 2: Like I'm not I'm not really ever doing like a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Or like I'm gonna watch when Samantha was a lesbian,

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Speaker 1: necessarily am that's not reflective of like the quality of

435
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: the thing we're watching. It's reflective of the number of

436
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: times we've watched it, which is like, I don't know,

437
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: a commendment, you know. That's like, I think something that's

438
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: really effective, even about something like Friends, which we've talked

439
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 1: about before with Tommy Dorfman, Like even that show, a

440
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: show that feels so excruciatingly normal and basic and overdone,

441
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: still has a lasting, rewatchable power that most shows don't have,

442
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: and so we have to give it to them. But

443
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what Like, So Buffy is like one

444
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: of your like kind of comfort watches. Do you do

445
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: you have like a memory of to like returning to

446
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: one of these things at a time where you really

447
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: needed it. I mean you kind of started it off

448
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: with that. I feel like personally, in terms of movies,

449
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: it's like Moonstruck or Catstone Dance or Hercules.

450
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 2: Those are the.

451
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: Three, the Holy Trinity and I have Moonstruck has found

452
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: me at my darkest times, like I will. I have

453
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: purchased it on Amazon or whatever the fuck, so I

454
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 1: can watch it whenever I need. And I will watch

455
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: that movie or Catstone Dance whenever I'm like I'm feeling

456
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: down and I don't know what to do with my life.

457
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: The power of film.

458
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 2: Maybe the power of film. Yeah, I there definitely are

459
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 2: movies that like, there are some movies that I love

460
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 2: that if I'm too sad, I don't want to watch

461
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 2: them because I don't want them to be sort of

462
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 2: tinged by that sadness. Like there are some comforting things

463
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 2: that I only want, like when I'm in a good mood,

464
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 2: Like Marie Antoinette is one of my favorite movies, But

465
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 2: I never want to watch it if I'm feeling too

466
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 2: down because I don't want that to like ruin the experience.

467
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,719
Speaker 2: I only want to watch that when I'm sort of

468
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: like lazy but feeling good and or like sort of

469
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: like feeling on wee but in a sort of like melancholy,

470
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: like lovely.

471
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: Like nostalgic way. Yeah, yeah, I think that there, it

472
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: is nostalgic. I think comfort watches are at the end

473
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: of the day nostalgic. You don't. Comfort watches can't exist

474
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: out of like a contemporary cannon. They have to come

475
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: from like five or ten or fifteen years ago. Yeah,

476
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: are there Do you have a comfort watch that like

477
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: I really don't know about because I you know, I

478
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: mentioned Malkoe in the middle, but like, is there something

479
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: where it's like I would totally I mean, Buffy honestly

480
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: was one of them. Yeah, you kind of inducted me.

481
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 2: What did you think of the Buffy episodes that we watched? So,

482
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 2: so we watched Halloween from season two, which I usually

483
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 2: only watch in October, but since Spooky season has started

484
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: so early this year, it felt appropriate, and I also

485
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: thought it was good for you to see like an

486
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 2: episode that is was almost like cartoonish in its distilling

487
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 2: of the essence of what Buffy as a TV show

488
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: was during the high school years, specifically like very Monster

489
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 2: of the Week, everyone is sort of giving like the

490
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 2: most like caricature version of themselves. And then we also

491
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: watched on the other hand, we watched one of the

492
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 2: best episodes of the show and one of the one

493
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: of the most artful episodes, which was Hush from four amazing.

494
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: Are you gag?

495
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: I was gag? Can you describe that episode? Okay?

496
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 2: So Hush is an episode of Buffy. It takes place

497
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: during season four when Buffy is in college, in which

498
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: a group of demons come to town. Really scary, really scary,

499
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: really well done, come to town. They're definitely gay, and

500
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 2: they steal everyone's voices so that because hearing a human

501
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: voice will kill them. And while everyone is voiceless, they

502
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 2: go around at night and cut people's hearts out, and

503
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 2: they need seven hearts and they need to take seven,

504
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: and they might take yours. I know the whole rhyme

505
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: by heart.

506
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: I was gagged. That was an extremely artful episode of TV.

507
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: And honestly, I could have watched Buffy with you all day.

508
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: I think I love that though, so happy truly, And

509
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: I will be honest and say, like, if you weren't

510
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 1: sitting there, the experience of watching it is not really

511
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: the same, which is kind of why our show exists, right,

512
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: Like things are enriched by way of your ability to

513
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: see them through someone else's eyes, especially in a time

514
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,719
Speaker 1: of need or a time of ward, Like this is

515
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: exactly what we both want to watch right now.

516
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: Niss, you know. What I noticed was that you are

517
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: a very on your phone at all times person when

518
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: when TV is on. But when we were watching Hush,

519
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: you were glued to the screen. I think away, Well,

520
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: I think part of it is that because no one

521
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: was talking, you like had to pay attention too. But

522
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: you seemed very engrossed in the episode.

523
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: I was, I really was, And I also just wanted

524
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: to give it devoted attention because I haven't really consumed Buffy.

525
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, honestly if I like lied in our

526
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: episode with Evan Ruskatz, but I think I said I

527
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: watched the whole first season. I didn't. I knew it

528
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: was I watched, like I think I told you before

529
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: the record, but I lied on Mike, But I definitely

530
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: did not watch the whole first season, like I still

531
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: have thought. And you are not a kind of season

532
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: one Stan, You're you're you think.

533
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: No, it's kind of something that you have to get

534
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: through to the good stuff.

535
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you need the anchor of what is developed

536
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: in season one to enjoy some of the payoffs when

537
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: you maybe feel it really finds its groove in season two.

538
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there are some iconic moments in season one,

539
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: but it is more foundational than anything. Very similar to

540
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: another comfort watch that we've talked about, Parks and Rec.

541
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: Because the first season of Parks and Rec is bad,

542
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: and they very clearly it's not funny. They very clearly

543
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: just had it. I figured out what the tone of

544
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: the show was yet, and they really figured it out

545
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: in season two, and then I think, especially in season three,

546
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: once they ditched that guy who Anne dated at the beginning,

547
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: that straight guy. I haven't. I used to watch Parks

548
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: and rec All the time, and I never watch it anymore.

549
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: Actually I did watch it recently when I was home

550
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: and it was on TV. I mean, that's another very

551
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: specific kind of comfort watch, is just on if you're

552
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: at your parents' house and you're watching their cable on

553
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: a huge TV, and it's like, oh, six episodes of

554
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: Parks and Recreation are on right now, or oh when

555
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: when I was home this most recent time, my mom

556
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: and I had gotten home from dinner and were laying

557
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 2: in bed and Golden Girls was on. Gold We watched

558
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: like four episodes of Golden Girls. I think that honestly,

559
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: after our Golden Girls episode, it definitely became a comfort

560
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: watch for me. I think it also for you, Like

561
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: we talked a lot about the actual feeling of watching

562
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: that show and how it just immediately feels comforting or nostalgic,

563
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: as if you've already watched every episode, even though I hadn't.

564
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 2: Girls it is a comfort watch for me. But Girls

565
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: is one where I'm still at the stage where I'm like,

566
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: I don't watch isolated episodes of it. I have only

567
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: now watched it through a couple times in them in

568
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: a couple of recent years. There are a few episodes

569
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: that I can pick out, like the beach House episode.

570
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: Rewatch the episode where they do coke, you know, like

571
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: those are fun to watch like with people like on vacation.

572
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, that can be very comforting, sort of in

573
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: the same way that that Sex and the City can.

574
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: I am almost done with my Malcolm in the Middle

575
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: rewatch a show that I have like seen every episode

576
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: zillions of time, and I'm trying to think of what

577
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to rewatch next because I am going to

578
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: binge something since I am I have to stay off

579
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: my foot and at home.

580
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 2: I really think with fall coming up, you should watch

581
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: Gilmore Girls because you haven't.

582
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could watch that without you, though,

583
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: I think I would need you to doula the experience.

584
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think you need to just

585
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: you need to just jump in.

586
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: Well, the other ones on my docket were Wanda Vision,

587
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: which I have never rewatched. I also was thinking about

588
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: rewatching Breaking Bad.

589
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: No Babe, but no, no, no, no, no, you're you're

590
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: you're you're an radial No no sorry.

591
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're right, and then I will yeah no,

592
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: And then now I'm considering rewatching Girls. That's actually sounds

593
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: really enticing to me. I've never watched it a second

594
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: time all the way through, but uh, look, I I

595
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: love I think that there's something I'm about comfort watches

596
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: where at a certain point you've watched so many hours

597
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: of this show or of this movie, where the characters

598
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: their belief systems, they're like desires, what they go through

599
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: is like in your bloodstream, and so when you're watching this,

600
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: you understand the stakes more than the average viewer because

601
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: you're just like, I'm so in this. I felt like

602
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: that when I was rewatching Malcolm in the Middle, because

603
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's a show about

604
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: the widest possible suburban family. You know, that's like dysfunctional

605
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: sitcom hijinks like teenage like you know, hood lamentous and

606
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: like it's it's so average, and yet I became emotional

607
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 1: and reactive and like so invested in what are really

608
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: really you know, nondescript characters and plotlines because I've watched

609
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: it seventeen times and I understand innately they're the character's

610
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: desires more because.

611
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: Of that, well, I think that these these comfort watches

612
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: almost become like fairy tales or like bedtime stories. You know,

613
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: it's like these these like tropy, well trodden, well worn

614
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: fables that we know by heart, but we still want

615
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 2: to hear again and again.

616
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: Wait, have you ever watched maccol in the Middle? Never? Never, Never? Never?

617
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: Maybe I will make you watch it.

618
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know.

619
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: I feel like there's something about it, about its violence

620
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: and about Lois the mom that really appeal to you,

621
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: because it's so absurdist and extreme, like the characters, and

622
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: the characters are all like godless heathens and beholden to

623
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: their like supreme id, like they just make decisions based

624
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: on what they want in exactly that moment, instead of

625
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: thinking about the ramifications or whether it affects anybody else,

626
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: and that's so fun to watch. I love watching characters

627
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: that just like fuck up over and over and over

628
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: again and never get what they want.

629
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: I mean saying, that's why I love Sex and the City.

630
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, yeah, exactly, yeah yeah, and that's why

631
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: I hate and just like that and just like that

632
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: will never be a comfort watch. No, even though you

633
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: haven't you rewatched the first I.

634
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: Rewatched the first season in the lead up to season two,

635
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: but it was in no way comforting. It actually was discomforting.

636
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: We do, yeah, really discomforting. I mean they're obviously, you know,

637
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: seasonal comfort watches, like I was saying, like the things

638
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 2: that I have to watch every Halloween, every Thanksgiving. Like

639
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: we've talked about this before the way, I think that

640
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: Coyote Ugly is a Thanksgiving movie and I watch it

641
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: every year on Thanksgiving along with Blair Waldorf Must Pie,

642
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: which I think is the superior Gossip Girl Thanksgiving episode.

643
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 2: I know everyone loves the one with what You Say song,

644
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: but I think Blair Waldorf Must Pie.

645
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: Outsold Blair Waldorf Must Pie.

646
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: In the summer, I love watching Mamma Mia Okay because

647
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: it just amazing.

648
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: It's a summer movie.

649
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 2: It is. It is a summer movie.

650
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: What are my seasonal watches?

651
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: Are you like a Charlie Brown girl? Were you ever?

652
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: Did you ever do that? I did? I mean I

653
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: grew a great pumpkin.

654
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: Charlie Brown grew up Christian and therefore, yeah, we watched

655
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: all of those every We watch all the Charlie Brown movies,

656
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: like every year for Christmas and Thanksgiving, and I think

657
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: there's an Easter one and there's I don't know, but

658
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: not so much anymore.

659
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: Do you have any do you have any comforting things

660
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: that are like disturbing but like you find them comforting.

661
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: I'm hearing an answer from you in there somewhere. That's

662
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Malcolm in the Middle is sometimes

663
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: very disturbing, Like sometimes the actual plot of Malcolm in

664
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: the Middle is like what the fuck? But that is

665
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: just like I think in a late nineties early hots

666
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: sitcom thing like honestly, actually with a lot of comfort

667
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: watches early aughtsness is a cultural thing that all of

668
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: these are beholden to. We're in. It's just like you

669
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: see through or you have to just like not see

670
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: the stuff that's like problematic or weird or doesn't make

671
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: sense in like twenty twenty three or like whatever, because

672
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: that's just the time. But also it's just like those

673
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: shows are operating on a whole different plane of reality.

674
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: Like if if we launched Sex, and if we launched

675
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: Not Second, if we launch like Malcolm in the Middle

676
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: today in twenty twenty three, people would be like what,

677
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it wouldn't make esthetic

678
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: sense in conversation with the rest of things right now.

679
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: And I think what I'm getting out, honestly is like

680
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: I miss sitcoms. I miss situational irony sitcoms where it's

681
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: like truly slapstick, all physical comedy and all of like

682
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: the plot rounding out to this like perfect resolution where

683
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: like the thing that was not supposed to happen happened,

684
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: and it's exactly you know, stopping the character from getting

685
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: the thing, you know what I mean.

686
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: Well, that's why they're perfect as a comfort watch, because

687
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: that's why sitcoms are great and why they exist in

688
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: syndication is because you can just tune in for half

689
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: an hour and the entire storyline will be resolved within

690
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 2: thirty minutes and you don't really have to know much

691
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: going into it, and you don't really have to think

692
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 2: about much coming out of it, right, Okay, wait, so

693
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: what's your disturbing humfort watch? I well, you know, I

694
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: like horror, so there are some scary movies that I

695
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: do find very comforting. I rewatched The Ring recently. That

696
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: was one that I used to watch a lot as

697
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 2: a teenager. And what I've only watched that once. It's

698
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: so good, we should maybe do a Ring episode for Halloween.

699
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: I have since so uh, I experienced some trauma like

700
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 2: seven years ago, and in the aftermath, my friend and

701
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: I watched the Sweeney Todd movie with Johnny Depp, So

702
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 2: I like, weirdly find that. I mean, I love I

703
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: find Sweeney Todd comforting in general, and it's like, you know,

704
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: obviously very dark, but like that movie specifically is very

705
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: soothing to me because it was at that time. You know,

706
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 2: what's really soothing to me that is reminiscent of Sweeney

707
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 2: Todd is things.

708
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: That are anchored by little I sticking it to the man,

709
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: like unlikely hero circumnavigating all the things to get to

710
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: where they are, usually in some sort of kind of

711
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: revenge plotline. I think are very satisfying, which is why

712
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: I loves me. You taught oh revenge, Revenge. We were

713
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: talking about this last night.

714
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: Kill Bill. Yes, I watched it this week. Big comfort

715
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: movie for me, and it's so bloody.

716
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: I'll watch kill Bill.

717
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 2: Two with you. Let's do that this week. Yeah, let's

718
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: do it.

719
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: Let's do it right now, Let's.

720
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: Do it because. Oh and maybe we should do a

721
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: kill Bill episode.

722
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love virgins.

723
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 2: Let us know if you want that, I said.

724
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: To you on the phone yesterday. I feel like I

725
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: need to do some sort of actual crystal clear hierarchy.

726
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: But I do feel like kill Bill one and two

727
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: is in my favorite films of all time top ten lists.

728
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 2: I do think we should maybe on Instagram or maybe

729
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: this could be a Patreon thing release or release ju job.

730
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: We should we should put out like our top ten

731
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: movies TV show Lisa.

732
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: Maybe that'll be a Patriotics pat exclusive. Okay, okay, yeah,

733
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: we should do that. I love lists.

734
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: Oh wait, what about comfort books?

735
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: Do you? Oh?

736
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 2: Are you a big rereader?

737
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: Not anymore, but I have read the Wizard of Oz

738
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: many times throughout my childhood and teenage years, Like the

739
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: original Frank album Wizard of Oz.

740
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 2: I was like that with the movie The Wizard of Oz.

741
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: I actually just watched it recently.

742
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: What about you.

743
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 2: I mean, i'vey read every Harry Potter books so many times. Oh,

744
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: I didn't know that, and I used to be a

745
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: big rereader. I've re read American Gods by Neil Gaiman,

746
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: which is one of my favorite books many times. Actually

747
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: most of his books. I've reread, American Gods, the entirety

748
00:41:55,080 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: of Sandman Never Wear Like. Those are kind of the

749
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: three that I've reread a lot. And American Gods. Have

750
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: actually listened to the audiobook twice.

751
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: It was it was a book.

752
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: I used to read it once a year and it

753
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: was like very ritualistic and I always got something new

754
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: from it every time I read it.

755
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: Didn't they make a TV show or something?

756
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 2: It kind of I only watched the first season. I've

757
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: heard that it fell off as American Gods is about

758
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: the sort of pantheon of gods from a bunch of

759
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: different cultures and religions who are falling out of power

760
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: because new gods of sort of technology and industrialization have

761
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: risen up and there is a war between them over

762
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: sort of the energy and attention of humans and there's

763
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: this ex Khan who is caught in the middle of

764
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: this battle. That sounds amazing, it's incredible, it's you know,

765
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: it's there's a reason why I read it so many times.

766
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: And it's a it's an actual book. It's not a

767
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: graphic novel. No.

768
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: Sandman is a graphic novel and is like similar. It's

769
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: it's like was Sandman was came before American Gods, and

770
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: you can see Neil Gaiman working up to a lot

771
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: of the stuff that he explored in American Gods through Sandman.

772
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: H Oh, what about comfort music? What? What's the album?

773
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: What are the albums that you listen to when you

774
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: need like a good cry, or you need to feel

775
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 2: good or like to feel in your body or whatever.

776
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: Oh, tegn in Sarah, maybe teaken in Sarah. I have

777
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: a seasonal comfort music listen, which is the album Metals

778
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: by Feist, which is so love. Metals is so good

779
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: and it's singed in my brain in memory association with

780
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: like the most probably one of my darkest depressive episodes

781
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: and periods in college when it came out, and it's

782
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: so imbued with a lot of that Actually around this

783
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: around the same time, you'd be like that year. The

784
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: year before Kanye West, my Beautiful Dark Twist Fantasy also

785
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: came out. That was something that I have like core

786
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: memory association with, Like if any song from that album played,

787
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: I would be shot back in time to exactly where

788
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: I was when it came out, in the emotional state

789
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: I was in. I like music that makes me feel

790
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: like that, But I feel like no, in terms of

791
00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: like things that I'll actually really revisit these days, I

792
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: don't know, do you? What would your answer be?

793
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? Mine are like horses by Patti Smith in Rainbows,

794
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: the Radiohead album, the Into the Woods Broadway revival recording

795
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: with Vanessa Williams.

796
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a that is a very you answer.

797
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: And the Garden State soundtrack. Oh, and the Marie Antoinette soundtrack,

798
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: which I am dying to own on vinyl, but it's

799
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 2: so rare that I can only find it for like

800
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 2: five hundred dollars on eBay.

801
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: That's crazy because it used to be stocked down at

802
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: the Urban Outfitters coffee table.

803
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 2: Like, it's so hard to find out, and I have

804
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: come so close to just going for it a couple

805
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: of times, but it's really hard to justify spending that

806
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: much on a record, but it is like my favorite

807
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: soundtrack of all time.

808
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: Okay, now, okay, I'm I'm. I opened a playlist on

809
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: my phone that has like kind of my personal list

810
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: of like no skip albums, of which Metals is on there.

811
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: In terms of like music that shoots me back to

812
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: a certain period in time, it's definitely Frank Ocean's Channel Orange,

813
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: my first boyfriend in Chicago, my first job living in

814
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: the city alone, like I have every time any song

815
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: from that album clicks on, That's where I'm sent. Casey

816
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: Musgrave's Golden Hour a very specific period of my life.

817
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: The Miseducation of Lauren Hill, I think feels like nostalgia,

818
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: feels like this warmth is something that I could flip

819
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: on at any moment and I will feel home or

820
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: comforted or like good in the music. But yeah, no,

821
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 1: those I think like I have like a kind of

822
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: it is about memory. It's it's literally only about memory.

823
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: You Know. What's a kind of recent one that is

824
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: now definitely ingrained in my mind for ever is Fetch

825
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: the Bolt Cutters.

826
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 2: Oh so good, but it's also so triggering early COVID.

827
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: Yes, it's exactly where it sends me.

828
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 2: Oh, what about comfort food? What are your comfort food?

829
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: Oh? I love that. My comfort foods are a rotisserie

830
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: chicken sandwich with cheddar, cheese, avocado, and lime on a

831
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: two dollars bagette which used to be a one dollar bagette.

832
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: But pious are crazy these days, Am I right? Ladies? Yeah?

833
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: And I would say a burrito, but there's there are

834
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: no good burritos in New York. There's the fruit fly again.

835
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: She's coming back for the comfort food conversation.

836
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: Current comfort food is our blood?

837
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I yah know, I definitely. I don't know that.

838
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: That's the first thing came to mind.

839
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: What about you McDonald's two cheeseburger meal and a four

840
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: piece chicken nugget? Uh, spaghetti and meatballs okay? Uh low

841
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 2: maine and an egg roll?

842
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,720
Speaker 1: Loa, maee, that's a really good one.

843
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: My mom's mac and cheese from when I was a

844
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: kid that was baked in the oven with ground beef

845
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 2: in it and breadcrumbs on top.

846
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: Any Thanksgiving food? Oh yeah, I love Thanksgiving.

847
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean stuffing. I love stuffing, string being castrole,

848
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 2: very comforting.

849
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: Sweet potato like no colonialism, but like Thanksgiving food yea.

850
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 2: Honestly, for me, I think comforting food. Comfort food is

851
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: like all savory, like I love sweets, but I am

852
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: more of a savory person. And yeah, like a like

853
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: a starchy savory food is the most comforting.

854
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: I need starch, I need bread, I need glucose. Sorry, glucose, goddess.

855
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 1: I don't find cheese very comforting. I love cheese.

856
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: I love cheese, but it's comfort and liking something wait

857
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: are different.

858
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: Things, duh. In actuality, since I was a kid, one

859
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: of my number one foods, if not the number one

860
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: comfort food that I will eat for dinner all the time,

861
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: is like an extravagant cheese board. I will put together

862
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: multiple cheeses, meats like fresh fruit, like dried fruits, like nuts,

863
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: three different kinds of crackers for myself and eat it

864
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: for dinner.

865
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 2: Girl dinner, see girl dinner. See. For me, comfort food

866
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 2: has to be something that someone else made for me

867
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: or I purchased, so it can't. The only exception is

868
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 2: a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. There are some nights

869
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: when I'm feeling some type of way and all I

870
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: want to eat is just a peanut, butter and jelly sandwich.

871
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 2: I will eat it standing up in my kitchen and

872
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: it will just take me back to this like childhood

873
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 2: place where everything is simple and safe and I don't

874
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 2: cut the crust off, and it has to be grape

875
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 2: jelly okay, and it has to be whole we bread.

876
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: I also am and creamy peanut butter. I'm also like

877
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 2: a whole weet bread purists. I'm also creamy peanut butter purist.

878
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: I did not grow up on grape jelly. We were

879
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: in apricot and strawberry family. We were big on preserves.

880
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 2: A PBNJ is also something where it's just like if

881
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: it hits, if that's my craving, if that's what's in

882
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: the fridge. It's so satisfying and I personally, please, this

883
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 2: is a safe space. I know to say this, I

884
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 2: must dunk it in milk. I must dunk Yeah, no,

885
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: I get the milk. I don't not the dunking so much,

886
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: but but having a glass of milk to go with it, yes, nice.

887
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: What to you is the most comforting place in the world.

888
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: It could be like a city, It could be like

889
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 2: a piece of furniture. It could be like a location

890
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 2: like where is where do you feel the most like

891
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: swaddled by comfort.

892
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm sure a lot of people's answers

893
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: is like my mom's couch and like blah blah blah,

894
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: and it's like that's just not my tar like home,

895
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: like Chicago home does not bring me comfort in any way. Sorry, parents,

896
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: they already know this, but I will say, because it's

897
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: the only thing I can think of, a vacation share

898
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: on Fire Island, and that's only like this is only

899
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: our second annual time doing it, but that will be

900
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: I think true for me through my adulthood, is like

901
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: I will always want like a beach house vacation share

902
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: with a bunch of my friends, and honestly, it doesn't

903
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: have to be Fire Island, but I think it is

904
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: Fire Island because we're doing this every year now.

905
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, forever forever. But I think mine is kind of

906
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: a Mine is probably my grandparents country club, the buffet there.

907
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: That's good. That's good, and then also my mom's bed, okay,

908
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 2: but then also the backseat of a car that's full

909
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 2: of people I love, Like it doesn't matter what car

910
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: like where we're going, but that is very comforting.

911
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: M that's very Teamovie. That's very freaking geeks.

912
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,399
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Speaker 2: let's start with Red White and Royal Blue.

925
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: Let's start with So I.

926
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 2: Read this, you know, during like peak COVID in LA,

927
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 2: because I had heard it was basically fan fiction if

928
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 2: it was a novel, and I'd heard people be like, oh,

929
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 2: it's definitely Harry Potter fan fiction with the names changed,

930
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 2: or like, it's definitely this fan fiction with the name change.

931
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 2: What it actually is the girls seem to have concluded,

932
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: is it is Andrew Garfield, Jesse whatever, social network, Jesse

933
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 2: Eisenberg social network, real person fan fiction. No, because Casey

934
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 2: mcquinston was apparently very involved in that fandom on Tumblr,

935
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 2: and so that is the that is the lore. That is.

936
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: I hate that it also like doesn't there's nothing. As

937
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: someone who read the book and watched the movie, I

938
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: see zero connection really other than the fact there that

939
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: they're like two guys. Yeah, anyway, but that's fine.

940
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 2: So I liked the book a.

941
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: Lot, and you prostlytized it to your two best friends.

942
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: I did.

943
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 2: I made you read it. I made Ryan read it.

944
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 2: One of you I won't say who found it very

945
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 2: sexually excited.

946
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: I also thought, oh I just gave it away. I

947
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: also found it very sexy. I thought the sex scenes

948
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: were written so well, even though they were eclipsey ya,

949
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: they were still good eclipsey y A sex scenes.

950
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 2: Yes. And then you know Casey mcquinston's second novel, One

951
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 2: Last Stop, I did not like. I didn't read their

952
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 2: young adult book.

953
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: Didn't read Sarah Wheeler.

954
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: I did not read Sarah Wheeler. And then the news

955
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 2: of this movie came out and I was. I thought

956
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 2: that was great, because you know, there is absolutely right

957
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 2: now a cottage industry of big screen romance novel adaptations,

958
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: because we are in this huge boom of romance novels

959
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 2: thanks to TikTok, thanks to e readers, thanks to book

960
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: Tube and books to gram. You know, romance thanks to

961
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 2: Rose Codpiece Reppers. Romance rules right now in the book world,

962
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 2: and that's what everyone wants. And that's why when you, like,

963
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 2: a couple of months ago, I went to the Barnes

964
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 2: and Noble in the town where I grew up, and

965
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: they have totally reorganized the store, and like the pride

966
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: of place is the romance section. You know, it's like

967
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 2: the Colleen Hoover of it all and like that kind

968
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: of shit. So I was not surprised that this movie

969
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 2: was going to get made. I was, I guess, not

970
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: surprised when it was gonna be an Amazon movie.

971
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: When you read it, it's like a movie. It's cinematic,

972
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: very cinematic, reads like a movie. It was destined to

973
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: be a film. I'm I was, yeah, so excited, still

974
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 1: was excited.

975
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: And so so Fran and I actually saw a very

976
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 2: early screening of the movie back in a.

977
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: Brol May a while.

978
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 2: Ago, a while ago, so it it's been a while

979
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 2: for Frans since we saw it. I did watch it

980
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: again last night because we've been we've been embargoed. I

981
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 2: watched it again last night because A I wanted to

982
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 2: see it again, like I had just planned on watching

983
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 2: it again anyway, and also I wanted to see if

984
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 2: anything had changed from our first viewing of it, which

985
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 2: I don't even know if i'd be allowed to say

986
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 2: if anything had changed, but nothing really did, and I.

987
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: Was like, they were like placeholders.

988
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just wanted to kind of refresh my

989
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 2: memory for this conversation. So top line from when we

990
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: saw the movie a couple months ago. I think we

991
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 2: both liked it.

992
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I walked out of it. Let me tell you, Okay,

993
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: let's let's be real, Rose. We walked out of this

994
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: theater and I had a lot of thoughts and I

995
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: just kind of, without really getting much of your take,

996
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: like outside in the middle of midtown, just started like

997
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: rattling them all off to you. Yeah, and you were like, girl,

998
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: it's not that deep. And then you kind of pushed

999
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: me a little back about some things that I was

1000
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: feeling that were maybe negative, and just like also being like,

1001
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: what what about this? Why wasn't this this and this

1002
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: and this? And I felt like a lot of what

1003
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: I was actually feeling was a supremely fan based attachment

1004
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: to the text of the book and how good that

1005
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: book felt, and me expecting the film to not. I'm not,

1006
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not one of those girls that needs

1007
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: like a very accurate book adaptation, but I do need

1008
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: the movie to feel as good as the book. I

1009
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: want to come out of the theater feeling some of

1010
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: the same things, which I know is not a very

1011
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: realistic expectation.

1012
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 2: The book is both comforting and exciting.

1013
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: Sexy and cute. Yeah, comfort ance is so many different things.

1014
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 2: I think comforting because it relies on so many well

1015
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 2: trodden tropes that we love, because it feels like fan

1016
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 2: fiction of something, like there's something about it that feels familiar,

1017
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 2: and yet it is a very exciting love story. It's

1018
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 2: like a love story that feels like what would have

1019
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,439
Speaker 2: been about straight people ten years ago, and it's about

1020
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 2: queer people and that's great. Like there's a very diverse

1021
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 2: cast of characters. It like the stuff that happens in

1022
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 2: it is kind of thrilling, like seeing a storyline about

1023
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 2: like public outing about famous queer people. It's interesting. Top line.

1024
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 2: I really liked it, Yeah, but I do have problems

1025
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 2: with it, and a lot of those problems are about

1026
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 2: Those problems kind of fall into two categories. They're about

1027
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 2: either the things that were changed or just completely cut

1028
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 2: from adapting the novel. And then they're about the quality

1029
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: of the movie, not really about the performances so much

1030
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 2: or the writing. Really it's more technical than that.

1031
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: And top line, for me, it was kind of some

1032
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: it was some of the reverse, Like I felt like

1033
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: I walked out of it being like I don't love

1034
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,439
Speaker 1: how a lot of the writing was adapted. I don't

1035
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: know if the right jokes were picked, I don't know

1036
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: if the tone was totally nailed, And I also took

1037
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: issue with some of the acting. But I all in

1038
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: all was like, this movie delivers what it promises, and

1039
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: I have to accept it for what it is, which

1040
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: is very determinedly in what I would refer to as

1041
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: a love Simon genre of media.