1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: What's up? 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 2: Everybody? 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to move the sticks. DJ Buck back with you, Buck. 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: First of all, as we get started here, I see 6 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: the sweatshirt. I know you got your squad, your high 7 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: school squad represented. What are we doing right now? What's 8 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: going on in the off season? 9 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 3: So we have official practice in my section starts July 10 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 3: twenty ninth, So we got a couple of weeks of 11 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 3: summer workouts. 12 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: Did you get a week off? And then we're back 13 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: at it. 14 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 3: So right when we're getting ready for back together weekend 15 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 3: or back to football weekend, whatever it is we call it, Yeah, 16 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 3: we're kicking off so simultaneous start, Yeah, to get it going. 17 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 2: So it'd be a lot of fun. 18 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: Yeah that's cool man. How are we looking? By the way, 19 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: how's our squad looking? 20 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: Oh? 21 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 3: You know, got a lot of young guys that are 22 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 3: trying to put it together. But it's fun because I 23 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 3: think if you talk about like being a person who 24 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 3: used to love to take legos and put things together, Yeah, 25 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 3: this is an opportunity for you and the coaches to 26 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 3: put together a new squad with new people, new young people, 27 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 3: and just trying to learn along the way. It was 28 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 3: funny the conversation that we had on the podcast previously 29 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 3: about the book where we were talking about like brainstorming 30 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 3: and brain writing and all that other stuff, but like 31 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 3: it really was helpful because that's kind of where you are. 32 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 3: You have to figure out like, hey, we can do 33 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 3: things like we've always done them, or do we need 34 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 3: to do something differently with what we have? And as 35 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 3: easy as it appears to be, like oh, this is 36 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 3: new group, you always hear a coaches say like, hey, 37 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 3: we figure out what the personnel is and then we 38 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 3: do what they do. But it's hard when you've had 39 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: a level of success doing it one way, it can 40 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 3: even consider changing and being like, you know what, I 41 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 3: think we. 42 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,919 Speaker 2: Do it differently because this group is a little different. 43 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 3: So in thinking about that, and look, I'm no way 44 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 3: like talking about being saving, but to think about how 45 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: Nick Saban pivoted the way he went from playing defense 46 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 3: one way with a certain style of player to doing 47 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 3: it another way, I would say that is extreme courage 48 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 3: as a to not just get in the pattern of 49 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 3: now is what we always do. 50 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: We can continue to do it cause we've been successful 51 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: A certain way. 52 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, instead of instead of complaining about uh, players not 53 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: doing what you want them to do at a high level, 54 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 1: it's the ability to adjust and say, Okay, well that's 55 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: not what they do well, so I'm gonna go not 56 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: ask them to do things they're incapable of doing, which 57 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: to me, especially if you're not like if you're at 58 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: one of these powerhouse you know, top twenty five programs 59 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: in the country, high school programs like you can just 60 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: run whatever you run because every year you're gonna have 61 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna have enough guys that can do what you 62 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: want to do. But that's what I love so much 63 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: about high school football is for the rest of us. 64 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: For you know, the way I grew up, the way 65 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: you grew up, the way, the team you coached, the way. 66 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: But where my kids play, the team, the what it 67 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: looks like, how they play changes morphs from year to 68 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,119 Speaker 1: year because you have a totally different skill set. 69 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: So I always thought that was the appeal for me 70 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 3: for high school because people always ask did you ever 71 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 3: want to coach college rossa No, high school was always 72 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 3: the thing because I just remember my high school coach 73 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 3: always saying, uh, you got to coach it. 74 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: With shows up. And you know, this is obviously before 75 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: the transfer. 76 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 3: Era and recruiting and all that other stuff, but like 77 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 3: literally whatever was in your neighborhood, whatever showed up at 78 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 3: the high school, you had to kind of figure out like, 79 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 3: all right, this is what we got. 80 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 2: So we got to figure out a way to win. 81 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 3: And the coaches that were legendary were the ones who 82 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 3: were consistently able to win with whatever showed up. They 83 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 3: had a system in place, they had a way of 84 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 3: developing kids in program where they were able to consistently win. 85 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: And so to me, that has always been the appeal 86 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 3: of high school and that's the challenge of high school. 87 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 3: And so if you love, like the purity of high 88 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 3: school ball, why wouldn't you want to take on challenges 89 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: like that? 90 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: No doubt. On the show today, we are going to 91 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: jump into some old reports. So I posted this on 92 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: social media maybe a month or so ago, about, hey, 93 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: you know any old reports you guys are interested at 94 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: player discussions? What we thought of them coming out? And 95 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: so we had some names that were dropped on there, 96 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: so I looked them up, found some notes on those guys, 97 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: So we'll jump into those. Were also before we get 98 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: to that buck that there's one little assignment that I 99 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: wanted to have for you here, which I was looking 100 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: at this and I was thinking, you know, when you're 101 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: looking at the start of the season, there's a ways, 102 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: you know, look this team worse to first, how you 103 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: you know, stack the divisions like, there's a million different 104 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: ways to preview it and talk about it. I thought 105 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: one of the simple, simple things to do would be 106 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: if we looked at some of these league leaders and 107 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: I just I just hit you up with everything that's 108 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: happened with them, you know, considering you know, their health, 109 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: their growth, their development, as well as their support around them. 110 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: What's been done better or worse? Like do you think 111 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: they have a better or worse season and twenty four 112 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: than they did in twenty three? So I want to 113 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: rip through a few names on some of these league 114 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: leaders and just tell me what you think based off 115 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: what they did last year, knowing what's changed around them. 116 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: If you think they are better or worse going into 117 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: this next season, you're ready cool. 118 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: To do it. 119 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: Let's start with the quarterbacks here. I'm looking at quarterback 120 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: reading just picked the number here, So I'm gonna with 121 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: a stat I'm gonna go with quarterback reading so a guy. 122 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: I feel like we haven't talked a ton about rock 123 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,799 Speaker 1: Party coming off last year next year. Is there another 124 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: level for brock Purty. 125 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,679 Speaker 2: Yes, there's another level. 126 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 3: I feel like this is the year where the game 127 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: really slows down for Brock Purdy. What he's done has 128 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 3: been remarkable considering his lack of NFL experience and how 129 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 3: quickly he's been able to adjapt adapt to the pro 130 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 3: game well now that he has seen I would say 131 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 3: like most of the tactics that people can do against 132 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 3: him now is the fun part, because he begins to 133 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 3: counter what the counters are to him. And as he 134 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 3: gets more and more comfortable in the system, as cal 135 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: Shanahan gives him more ownership of the system, I think 136 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: we begin a chance to see if Perdy can go 137 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: to that next level. I would already say, look, he's 138 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 3: beyond good. I think he's really really good. I think 139 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 3: he has an opportunity to be great. And for us 140 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 3: to talk about a former seventh round pick being a 141 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 3: great quarterback in this league to me as a testament 142 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: of his work ethic. How the experience from Iowa's to 143 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 3: really helped him jump start his NFL career and then 144 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 3: being the perfect fit in a system there really can 145 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 3: elevate quarterbacks. 146 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that there's I think there's room to 147 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: even grow off last year. And when you look at 148 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: the numbers, I mean talked about his quarterback reading, it's 149 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirteen of forty two hundred yards plus 150 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: almost seventy percent of the completion percentages at sixty nine, 151 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: thirty one touchdowns, eleven picks, nine point six average per attempt. 152 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: So I mean all those numbers, you're getting explosives, you're 153 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: getting touchdowns, you're getting efficiency. All those numbers are excellent. 154 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: But I just think, to me, this is a build offense. 155 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: You know, you talk about being able to have your 156 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: base installed and everything's pretty simple how they build off 157 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: of that. But volume is I think he can handle 158 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: volume mentally, and I know Shanahan's always going to be 159 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: able to add wrinkles and add on top of what 160 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: they already have in place. And I think when you 161 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: look at you know, with McCaffrey, there's so many different 162 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: ways they can still continue to explore how to use him, 163 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: which sounds crazy, but I still think there's more there. 164 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: The Ayuke thing I'm curious about, but you know, I 165 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: still anticipate he's there once we get to the season. 166 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: So I'm with you. I think Brock Purdy has a 167 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: better year, which is pretty scary for the rest of 168 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: the league. 169 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it is a bit of you. The 170 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 3: other thing that I think you have to take an account. 171 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 3: I anticipate Brandon Ayuk be in there, and I anticipate 172 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: Ricky Pearsol playing a big role. I think the lessons 173 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 3: from the loss of the Super Bowl in terms of 174 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 3: needing more guys that can win one on one on 175 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 3: the outside, bis's denigners to spend more time in training 176 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 3: camp working on their drop back passing game. They've been 177 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: great wearing people out on play action, using things off 178 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: run action, but if they are able to kind of 179 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 3: smooth out some of the rough parts of their drop 180 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 3: back passing game, now you have a complete offense. And 181 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that Rock Purdy is Matthew Stafford, but 182 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: think about what Matthew Stafford what is able to do 183 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: and add to the LA Rams offense. Being a very 184 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 3: polished drop back passer. It just gave Sean McVay more answers. 185 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 3: Rock Perdy can give cal Shanahan more answers if he 186 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 3: becomes even more efficient and effective as a traditional dropback pass. 187 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, that's a good point, all right. This next 188 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: one I think will be a fascinating discussion. If you 189 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: look at the numbers last year, I don't know if 190 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: people even recognized the numbers. Last year. Dak Prescott was 191 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: sixty nine point five percent on a completion percentage. Okay, 192 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: he's over forty five hundred yards, thirty six touchdowns, nine picks. 193 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: He had a one oh five point nine ratings. So 194 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: those are just the raw numbers, right. I know, the 195 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: postseason do not go the way that the Cowboys and 196 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: their fans would have hoped, But that is a monster 197 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: season that he's coming off of again, another twelve win season, 198 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: three in a row there for the Dallas Cowboys this year. 199 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: Taking into account what we've got, right, Buck, You've got 200 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: you've got Seedy Lamb who with the recent report saying 201 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: he might not show up for the start of training camp, 202 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: which baffles me a little bit based off the financial 203 00:08:55,920 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: repercussions there, it doesn't make any sense. Great off that 204 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: we got a video of Dak in a walking booth 205 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: the other day, which was quickly, Hey, no, don't worry 206 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 1: about it, no big deal, Just a little hiccup there, 207 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: but a little tea leaves there. Don't leave me feeling 208 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: great about him taking a step forward off of a 209 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: monster year that he had last year. 210 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 3: So I believe the numbers, the bottom line numbers end 211 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 3: up being better, but the efficiency comes down. So what 212 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 3: I'm saying is, I think he throws for more passing yards, 213 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 3: and I think he does that with his interceptions going 214 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 3: up and his completion percentage going down, and that is 215 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 3: primarily due I believe the Cowboys are going to have 216 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 3: to win in shootouts. I don't know if they're good 217 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 3: enough defensively. New A dan Quinn is going to I 218 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 3: like Mike Zimmer. I just think there's gonna be some 219 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 3: friction between Mike Zimmer's coaching style and the way the 220 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 3: players have been accustomed to playing in terms of the 221 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 3: discipline and detailed and maybe just some of the loosey 222 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: goosiness that might have taken place under dan Quinn. Mike 223 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 3: Zimmer's not gonna go for that, and I think that's 224 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 3: going to lead to some issues early in the season 225 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 3: where the defense has to adapt the Zimmer and that 226 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: means that the Cowboys in more shootouts, and more shootouts 227 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 3: mean more passing attempts. More passing attempts likely means more yards, 228 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 3: but also chasing points leads to more interceptions. 229 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 2: So Dak Prescott has. 230 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 3: Maybe a better number, better year on paper, but a 231 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: less efficient year when it comes to being able to 232 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 3: play winning football because they're chasing so many points in 233 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 3: these shootouts. 234 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: You talk about it from the defensive side of the 235 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: ball and a time period there to adjust. I'm looking 236 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: at the offensive side of the ball. I'm looking at 237 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: Tyler Geidon coming in there as a rookie who is 238 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: on the offensive line, who's very talented, but still very 239 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: little experience. I think he's very raw. I think the 240 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: version you're going to get of him in November is 241 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: going to be a much different version than what you 242 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: see there in September. I think there's going to be 243 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: some growing pains there. So when you look at that, 244 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: you look at I don't know what's going to happen 245 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: with the Ceedee Lamb contract situation, but that could lend 246 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: itself to a little bit of a slow start, you know. 247 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: Because of that, we'll see where Dak is health wise. 248 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: What does that look like? 249 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 3: To me? 250 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: This feels like it could be a It could be 251 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: a rocky month there for the Dallas Cowboys. A lot 252 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: of adjustments need to be made by those involved there, 253 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: and I think that does impact Dak. I think eventually 254 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: at the end of the year, he gets where he 255 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: wants to be. Maybe I'd say it's a push in 256 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: terms of the numbers that he posted last year, But 257 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know that this group hits the 258 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: ground absolutely running there based off of some of those 259 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: new pieces on the coaching side defensively as well as 260 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: integrating some new folks they're along the offensive line. 261 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, it's hard to think that Dallas has won 262 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 3: twelve games, at least twelve games in three straight seasons 263 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 3: and to think that they could possibly do it again. 264 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: To me, I can't. 265 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 3: I can't buy that, just because it appears to be 266 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 3: just too much like uncertainty. There's too many loose ends 267 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 3: for me to say that a Dallas is going to 268 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 3: be the team that vies for the NFC East Crown 269 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 3: and those things. I think he will continue to be good. 270 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 3: I think he's a really good quarterback. I think he 271 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 3: puts himself in line to be look super paid, whether 272 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 3: there's Dallas or somewhere else. I just don't know if 273 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 3: it's going to result in the bottom line that the 274 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys and their fans won't. 275 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: All Right, this is the next one. Let's do one 276 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: more here. On the quarterback side. Lamar Jackson last year 277 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: MVP sixty seven percent passer over thirty six hundred yards, 278 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: twenty four touchdowns, seven picks. Obviously, the rushing adds into 279 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: that with what he does, you know, with the rushing 280 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: totals and rushing numbers, that's a big reason why he's 281 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: the MVP. So when you look at those numbers, maybe individually, 282 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: then maybe take it over to the team with the 283 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens better or worse next year. 284 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 3: And this is a tough one for me, right because 285 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 3: the O me thinks that, Man, I feel like the 286 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 3: Baltimore Ravens did this two years too late in terms 287 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 3: of bringing Derrick Henry over. If you told me that 288 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 3: Greg Roman was the offensive coordinator and they were going 289 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 3: to play the way that they used to play, where 290 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 3: they were running the football, pounding people with power, and 291 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 3: quarterback reeves and those things, I would say that this 292 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 3: would result in a better performance from Jackson. I think 293 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 3: he steps back a little bit. I love Derrick Henry 294 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 3: coming over. I just maybe my lack of confidence and 295 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 3: Todd munkin being able to incorporate all of those pieces 296 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 3: into an offense that is trying to be forward thinking. 297 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 3: I don't know if they can go forward thinking with 298 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 3: an old school running back besides a quarterback who's a 299 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 3: dynamic dual threat. But I don't know if they're ready 300 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 3: to transition to a traditional drop back passing game. So 301 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 3: I'm gonna say it's a little bumpy, and because of that, 302 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 3: the numbers aren't what they were a season ago. 303 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go opposite. I'm gonna say takes 304 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: a step forward, especially with the passing department. A couple 305 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: of things that we connect the defense with the offense. Defense. 306 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: There's changes there, you know, starting right there at the 307 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: top of the defensive coordinator is Patrick Queen, Like there's 308 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: some there's some pieces that are you know, Geno Stone. 309 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: They've lost some folks there on that side of the ball. 310 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: So when I look at them, I could see them 311 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: taking a step back defensively. Maybe they have to chase 312 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: some points which they haven't had to do it of 313 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: that can lead to some more offensive production. I think 314 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: Zay Flowers is going to be a starbuck. I think 315 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: he's as good a wide receiver as they've had there. 316 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: You know, they've had some success with veterans, they have 317 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: not had success drafting and developing whiteouts. But this is 318 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: the this is the exception. This is the best one 319 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: that they've drafted. I think he's got a chance to 320 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: be I don't look. Steve Smith was a name that 321 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: kind of got evoked in the in our colleague and 322 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: our partner, and that's that's rarefied here. Oun't know if 323 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go all the way to that level, but 324 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: I think this dude has got outstanding ability. And I 325 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: think if you have Mark Andrews healthy and Isaiah likely 326 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: out there together, I think there's there's a there's ways 327 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: this offense can can grow forward. It's funny because when 328 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: I look at him, everybody is focused on Derrick Henry 329 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: and how he fits, and he's the perfect Baltimore Raven. 330 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: I'm looking at him, going they don't need they don't 331 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: they don't need to rely on Derick Henry like the 332 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans had to rely on Derick Henry. They don't 333 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: need that. 334 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 2: You know what. You bring up a good point, and. 335 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 3: I think maybe in thinking about this, let's just say 336 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 3: that the Baltimore Ravens had a conversation with Derrek Kerney 337 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 3: upon his signing and said, Hey, I don't want you 338 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 3: to get frustrated early early in the year. The first 339 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 3: eight to nine games, you're on a pitch count, no management. 340 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 3: We need you to be dominant November December, weather changes. 341 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 3: Once we get to thanksgiven, we're gonna unleaseh you. Once 342 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 3: the weather changes. You're right, we're gonna start playing playoff football, 343 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 3: which tends to skew more towards run, round and pound. 344 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 3: That's when we're going to unlease Derick Kenny. We're not 345 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 3: gonna use you early. You can be in there, you'll 346 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 3: get your plays. But if you tell me that's the 347 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 3: approach and that's how they're going to use them. Yeah, 348 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 3: that's the scary part of what the Baltimore Ravens could 349 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 3: be using Derrick Kenry in four minute situations, goal line, 350 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 3: short yardage, the playoff run down the stretch. That's when 351 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 3: no one wants to deal with the big back in 352 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 3: cold weather, who. 353 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: You know would be interesting an interesting assignment. And we 354 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: can look at this as we head towards the season. 355 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: Who do you think would be the best twelve personnel 356 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: team in the NFL? I could argue that it's the Ravens. 357 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 3: Oh dj, I'm with you on that, and like, here's 358 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 3: the thing, because there's going to be a renaissance of 359 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 3: twelve personnel. It's not only Baltimore, the Buffalo Bills are 360 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 3: going to use a lot of twelve personnel. You think 361 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 3: about Dawson Knox and Dalton Kincaid and what twelve personnel 362 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: gives you the opportunity to do. It gives you a 363 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 3: chance to balance up your running game. It gives you 364 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 3: a chance to dictate to the defense what personnel package 365 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 3: you can be in. You can be in base and 366 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 3: nickel that second tight end is really a jumble wide receiver. 367 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 3: Do you have the personnel to be able to stay 368 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 3: in base and do that? If your nickel, we now 369 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 3: can cobble the formations where we're running the nickel off 370 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 3: the field with a powerful running back. You're right, Baltimore 371 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 3: has a very dynamic twelve personnel package. And after attempting 372 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 3: to maybe spread it out, maybe too much. They now 373 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 3: begin to tighten it up. And I think Isaiah Likely 374 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 3: and Mark Andrews on the field a ton creakes a 375 00:16:58,480 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 3: lot of problems for opponents. 376 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: No' that's gonna be a interesting team to follow him 377 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: to watch. All right, I want to we did some 378 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: offensive guys. I want to do some defensive guys here 379 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: real quick, and then and then we'll take a break 380 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: and we'll get over to these old school reports here. 381 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: But better year this year or worst year? TJ watt 382 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: buck last year nineteen sacks. That's a big number. 383 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 3: That is a big number. But DJ, he's done that 384 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 3: like two of the last three years. He's always in 385 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 3: that conversation being able to do it. I'm gonna say 386 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 3: a better year, slightly better like in terms of numbers, 387 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 3: maybe just a twenty. But here's why I think this 388 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,959 Speaker 3: team is better, better constructed to play complimentary football than 389 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 3: they have been in the past. The combination of the 390 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 3: running game with the defense. And we said it, the 391 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Steelers have been at their best when they had 392 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,719 Speaker 3: magical quarterback play in the fourth court. You can say 393 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 3: a lot of things about Russell Wilson. We can say, oh, 394 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 3: he's been up and down the last two years. The 395 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 3: one thing that is consistent about Russell Wilson. If the 396 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 3: game is tight in the fourth court, there's not a 397 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 3: better closer than Russell. Russell had four game winning drives 398 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 3: a season ago four team in Denver that was bad. 399 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 3: He has thirty nine game winning drives in his career, 400 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 3: thirty one fourth quarter comebacks. DJ because of his ability 401 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 3: to make plays and because of this offense's ability to 402 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 3: kind of be maybe a little more dynamic and explosive 403 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 3: with the run game, I think DJ White has more 404 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 3: opportunities to finish the game and because he's a finisher. 405 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, he has a better year than he had the 406 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: previous year. 407 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I have no questions about his ability 408 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: and his ability to take over games, dominate games, close games, 409 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: finished games nineteen, man, that is such a big number 410 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: that he posted last year. And I think with you know, 411 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: I think with their front, their group, they got some 412 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: good young players. And sometimes you can look at it 413 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: and say, Okay, well that's going to single him up, 414 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: but that's going to free him up. Also, some of 415 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: those guys can can grab some of those numbers and 416 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: some of that production, you know it kind of it 417 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: gets dispersed a little bit. But with high Smith, I 418 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: like her big. I think her big, you know flash 419 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: last year as a rookie. I think he's going to 420 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: be a really good player. I think that allows to 421 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: kind of them to roll some guys through and keep 422 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: them fresh. I'm a big Keanu Benton fan. On the inside. 423 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: I think he's another one. He's going to be a 424 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: star man. I'm telling you, I think that guy's gonna 425 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: be big time. So I'm going to say he plays 426 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: as well, but I'm gonna say the numbers don't get 427 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: funneled to him quite as much. I think some of 428 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: his teammates, and that's a good thing for the Steelers. 429 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: I think some of those teammates share in some of 430 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: those sacked numbers. So maybe look, if he has fifteen, 431 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: sixteen sacks, he's a pro bowler, all pro that. There's 432 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that, but nineteen, but that's a big number. 433 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 2: Is It is a big number. 434 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 3: And I'll say this though, I'll say they were able 435 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: to do it last year, and they can never get 436 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 3: control of the game. If they're able to have better 437 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 3: controls of the game. From an offensive standpoint, they are 438 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 3: even more opportunities for him to get after it. 439 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 2: I mean, nineteen is high. Like we talked about big number, 440 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 2: that's a big number. But let's go for it. Let's 441 00:19:58,760 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: go be it, go big, big, go home. 442 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: This one is an interesting one. How I would just 443 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: go onto the list of the sack artists here Micah 444 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: Parsons fourteen sacks last year. Buck can he get? Can 445 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: he get up above that number? 446 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 3: I don't know if the Cowboy's gonna stop to run 447 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 3: well enough, they have the right to really rush to 448 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 3: pass it. I worry about that that people run right 449 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 3: at them and it prevents him. 450 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say he doesn't get to that number. 451 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 3: He goes below that number, I don't I don't expect 452 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 3: the Cowboys to be as good as they've been in 453 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 3: the past, and that limits his opportunities to be able 454 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 3: to get out. 455 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: To the quarterback. 456 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a tough one. He's just so, he's so 457 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: physically gifted, and I think it could be a little 458 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: bit different looking with with Zimmer's defense and how they 459 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: utilize him and what they do. Curious to see what 460 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: that looks like. I'm gonna I'm gonna go with absolutely 461 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: no thesis for this other than the fact that he's 462 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: such a freak. And I remember, you know, a couple 463 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: of years ago saying, if they would just devote him 464 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: to let him run, I thought he'd get twenty sacks. 465 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: I really think he's that talented. So I'm gonna say 466 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: he's gonna talent his way. He's going to talent his 467 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: way to over fourteen sexes. I mean, I'm curious to 468 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: see how they use him what they do. 469 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, he is gifted. I mean, he's a gifted pass rusher. 470 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 3: And it's funny, man, Like, it'd be funny in a 471 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 3: couple of years when we go back and people ask 472 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 3: us to read a report on Michael Parsons and just 473 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 3: I'll see this how the league was wrong on Michael 474 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 3: Parsons in terms of I know people talked about like 475 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 3: there's some characters stuff or whatever, But I think the 476 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 3: league was wrong just about the overall evaluation on what 477 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 3: he could be at the next level as a player. 478 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 3: I don't know if we talked enough about his pass 479 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 3: rush prowess when we evaluated him at Penn State. We 480 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 3: talked about him being a dynamic athlete. I don't know 481 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 3: if we accurately predicted that he would beat this kind 482 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 3: of dominant pass rusher as a second level defender. 483 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, he's just an absolute nightmare coming 484 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: off the edge. So I was an advocate early on 485 00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: once he got into the league and seeing what he 486 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: could do of like, hey, just let this guy rush. 487 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: I know they want to use them off the ball 488 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: and do some different things to them, but like that's 489 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: the impacts the game more coming off the edge. So 490 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: that's an interesting evaluation. All right, one more. Then we're 491 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: gonna take a break here and then we'll come back 492 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: and get through some old reports. But let me give 493 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: you one more player here, coming off of a strong year, 494 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: Max Crosby at fourteen and a half last year. Buck, 495 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: I think we're going to be quick on this one. 496 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: I think we're going to be on the same page. 497 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 3: More way more Christian Wilkins being beside him, creating more 498 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 3: one on one opportunities they get after it. 499 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: And there may be a lot. 500 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 3: Of questions and concerns about the Vegas Raiders and their offense, 501 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 3: but there are no questions to me in terms of 502 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 3: their front line of what they could do and what 503 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 3: they should do defensively, that combination of Christian Wilkins and. 504 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: Christian Wilson and. 505 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 3: Max Crosby at the line, particularly if they're a line 506 00:22:58,359 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 3: beside each other. 507 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, good night, good night, trying to figure out how 508 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 2: to do it. And let's not forget maybe Tyree Wilson 509 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: emerges and. 510 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: I hope, so man, I hope his last year. We 511 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: got nothing out of that one. 512 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 3: As the top ten player was drafted out of Texas 513 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 3: Tech to be able to create some chaos if they're 514 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 3: able to get the supporting cast around him playing at 515 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 3: high love of Max Crosby absolutely feast on these matchups 516 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 3: on the other. 517 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: Side, Yep, no doubt. Well that's a good get off 518 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: point here for us. We'll take a quick break when 519 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: we come back. Max Crosby's one of the players you 520 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: guys mentioned you wanted to hear what the report on was, 521 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: what the report was on him coming out of college. 522 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: So I pulled up some of his notes along with 523 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: a few others, and we'll jump through those hoops right 524 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: after this quick break. All right, buck, So we put 525 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: it out there social media. What are some guys you're 526 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: curious about, what the thoughts were on them coming into 527 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: the draft, and so we got some of those names. 528 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: I'm going to rip through some of them here and 529 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: then give you my notes on them coming out. I'm 530 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: not pulling up their reports. I have reports on a 531 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: lot of these guys, like full summary reports, but just 532 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: going through my notes which I had put in Excel 533 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: when they were coming into the draft, and you can 534 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: go back to your recollection on some of these guys 535 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: as well. Max Crosby was the first one. Max Crosby 536 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: coming out was six four seven two fifty five almost 537 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: six five, two hundred fifty five pounds, ran a four 538 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: to sixty six. This was my notes on him. He's 539 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: a left defensive end, had a real swooping inside swim move, 540 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: big time get off at excellent hands, he can hold 541 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: the point of attack. He's a little bit clunky, like 542 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: just kind of some of his movement stuff I thought 543 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: just kind of looked a little bit clunky. But he 544 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: was a obviously home run pick by our buddy Mike Mack. 545 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: And one of the lessons to learn from him from 546 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: that evaluation is I remember talking to a defensive line 547 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: coach who had gone around and worked out a ton 548 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: of d line in that year and when Max Crosby's 549 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: name came up, and I think this, I think this 550 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: coach might have been what it was with the Lions, 551 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: or I believe so. But he had gone through and 552 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: Max Crosby knew who their edge rushers were. I think 553 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: maybe Cliff April or talking about some old school guys 554 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: that he had watched growing up but was a student 555 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: of past rush knew, knew the names of a bunch 556 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: of guys, knew what the bread and butter moves were 557 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: for a bunch of these NFL players. And you always 558 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: talk about it, and we've we've shared this forever on 559 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: wide receivers and pass rushers. It's almost like their artists, 560 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: and it's a it's a craft, and you you talk 561 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: to guys, and the guys that are really good at 562 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: it are passionate about it, and that's all they want 563 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: to talk about. And that was one of the nuggets 564 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: that came out of the Max Crosby evaluation. 565 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 3: Look, one thing that I appreciate about Max Crosby is 566 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 3: one of the things that we're learning about pass rushers, 567 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 3: Guys that are relentless in their approach find a way 568 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 3: to consistently get quarterbacks down. Guys who are really passionate 569 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 3: about studying the art of pass rushing have a knack 570 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 3: for being able to figure it out or of how 571 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 3: they entered the league. When I look at Max Crosby, 572 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 3: he's a combination of both both things that you want. Man, 573 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 3: you kind of want a blue collar pass rusher who 574 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 3: has some blue chip traits and he has that. 575 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 2: And man, he is a. 576 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 3: Hardhead, lunch pill guy with talent and DJ with with 577 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 3: those kinds of traits, in that kind of attitude, man, 578 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 3: you can become a double digit sack artist in this league. 579 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: And he has done it. 580 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 3: And what I love about Crosby is he's continued to 581 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 3: maintain that chip. 582 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 2: That he entered the league with as a fourth round pick. 583 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 3: He continues to kind of see himself a little bit 584 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 3: as that underdog and he has to work and earn 585 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 3: it every day. Those guys are dangerous and look, I 586 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 3: don't know if if in looking at him at Eastern Michigan, 587 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 3: which shout out to him for giving back a bunch 588 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 3: of money, I think it's kind of cool they named 589 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 3: the field after him and all that he is. Were 590 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 3: distinguished alums and athletes there, but like, coming from his 591 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 3: background being able to be as successful as he's been 592 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 3: with the Raiders. I just think as a self made player, 593 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 3: that's exactly what you for when you take someone into 594 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 3: fourth round as a developmental prospect. 595 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: No doubt he's you know, he's been a home run 596 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: there for the Raiders. Next one. We don't have to 597 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: spend much time on this one because we talked about 598 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: him so much over the years. George Kittle, You know, 599 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: people always wonder why did he drop? Why wasn't he 600 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: a higher pick? He was six zero three six two 601 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: forty seven ran four five two. Very limited production. That 602 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: was the biggest knock on him in that Iowa offense. 603 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: He was not totally healthy and just didn't have a 604 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: ton of production as inline player, a lot of pivot routes. 605 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: I did think he had a second gear when the 606 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: ball was in the air. I thought he looked like 607 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 1: a fullback kind of how he played, physical, rugged, lots 608 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: of wheel routes, excellent blocker, very physical production. That was it. 609 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that was the reason why he was available 610 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: where the Niners were able to scoop him up. 611 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny, we don't have to talk about it, 612 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 3: but Yeah, the production is spectacular. 613 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 2: And when you see that and you have those kinds 614 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 2: of players, man, you just tend to fall in love 615 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 2: with him. 616 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 3: And look, man, we don't have to spend a lot 617 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 3: of time talking about it, like just just as good 618 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 3: as he gets. 619 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: And we always say, what are the lessons when we're 620 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: going through these guys, guys who were picked later and 621 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: then guys who have outperformed their draft slot, what what's 622 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: the lesson? So if we're going to stick with that theme, 623 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: the lesson on Max Crosby was okay. You talked about 624 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: some of those blue chip traits to go with a 625 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: blue blue collar mentality. I talked about the fact that 626 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: he was a student of pass rush, like he's all in, 627 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: he's obsessed. Like those are good lessons to take from 628 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: that position. George Kittle, we've talked about the tight end 629 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: position has been a traits position. If you look at trades, 630 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: traits have been a good framework to go get some 631 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: high weight, speed guys and then and then roll with them. 632 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: And we're not talking about him here, but I mean 633 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: like Kelsey, Kelsey was a former quarterback. He's going to 634 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: go down Arguably, he's the greatest Titan of all time. 635 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: Antonio Gates didn't play football in college. Like these guys 636 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: have traits, they have traits and they have feel and 637 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: then you and you can develop the rest. 638 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 2: Is such a position where we can say that it 639 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 2: is made. 640 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 3: It is a made position where you've had a great 641 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 3: you have a great system, and you're willing to be 642 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 3: patient with a young player who has those traits. You 643 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 3: can make a high level tied end. It is different 644 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 3: than some of the other positions where you got to 645 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 3: come fully equipped and ready. This is a position where 646 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 3: you can really develop one. I mean, it's unbelievable, like 647 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 3: a chia pit, like you can just pour a little 648 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 3: water on it. 649 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: Outcomes and all pro tight end. You just don't you 650 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 2: don't get that. You don't get that off. 651 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: La Quan Treadwell was a name people asked about. Was 652 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: a bust as a wide receiver. He was six two 653 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: twenty one. So let's find the let's find the reason, 654 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: uh looking through the note to just he's smooth, he 655 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: can high point the ball, he's got some power, he 656 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: can make you miss no separation. 657 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 2: There you go, no separation. 658 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 3: And for me, I know I was influenced by the 659 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 3: fact that I was around him when he was a 660 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 3: high school He was like the top wide receiver in 661 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 3: high school, and he was kind of a man a 662 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 3: munkst boys during that time. But what maybe I didn't 663 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 3: factor in into the fact into the evaluation was, hey, man, 664 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 3: the bigger, faster, strong at the next level. 665 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 2: And if you don't. 666 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 3: Have like as a big receiver, if you don't have 667 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 3: either superior physicality and strength to maybe make up for 668 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 3: the lack of speed and separation quickness, it's gonna be 669 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 3: hard to get open in the league. 670 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 2: Now. 671 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 3: To be fair, he certainly didn't play up and live 672 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 3: up to the expectations that he entered the league with. 673 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 3: But I told him I saw him in a game 674 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 3: last year, and I told him how proud I was 675 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 3: of him for being a first round pick who had 676 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 3: bounced around, who had been on practice squads, who've carved 677 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 3: out like eight years in the league in some capacity. 678 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 3: That's hard to do because DJ he didn't have the 679 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 3: superior gifts that I thought he would have when he 680 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:43,719 Speaker 3: entered the league as a first rounder. 681 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, again, credit to him for hanging on and 682 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: making a career of it. A couple other names I'll 683 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: roll through here. I'll give you two quarterbacks and you 684 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: can pick which one you want to go on. Jalen 685 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: Hurts talked about a bunch gun zone reads. He's quick 686 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: as a runner in the run game. He's got zip, 687 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: he's got touch. Questioned some of the vision and anticipation. 688 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: His feet could be a little bit late following his eyes. 689 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott question mark was what I'd had written on him, 690 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: and then the next one was somebody wanted to know 691 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: about Sam Donald's report. I thought it needed to keep 692 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: his offhand on the ball, had some fumble issues upright 693 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: in the pocket. He can process quickly, he does bail 694 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: a little bit early and had terrible pass protection in college. 695 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,719 Speaker 1: So my comp for him was Tony Romo. But it 696 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: Hurts and Sam Donald. Sam Donald, I'm still not giving 697 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: up on that one. I think he's got a chance 698 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: to have a good year here with the Minnesota Vikings. 699 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: But with Hurts and Sam Donald, Buck, what did you 700 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: take away? 701 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 2: Okay, so let's talk about Jalen Hurst first. I had 702 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 2: the conversation. I had an opportunity to watch Jalen Hurst 703 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 2: workout prior to his senior year when he was in 704 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 2: the Star it was Sam and Sam Ellinger, and I 705 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 2: remember watching him. 706 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 3: Work out at the Star because he's part of the 707 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 3: lead eleven. I'm like, man, you know what, he spends 708 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 3: it a lot better than I thought. You better keep 709 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 3: an eye on him. And I remember at that time 710 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 3: later talking to Will McLay and saying, man, Jalen Hurst 711 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 3: just reminds me so much of what Dak Prescott was 712 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 3: at Mississippi State and DJA you fast forward a few 713 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 3: years into the league, he kind of has become what 714 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 3: Dak Prescott has become for the Dallas Cowboys in those 715 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 3: similar stages. 716 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 2: He is a guy who has gotten better. 717 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 3: And what I learned from him, character really matters when 718 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 3: it comes to a quarterback position football. Character winning in 719 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 3: tangible's traits, knowing how to win, being impact and influenced 720 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 3: by great coaching and taking that and kin kind of 721 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 3: being the messenger for the coach to the team. 722 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 2: That matters. 723 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,719 Speaker 3: Sam Donald, I remember the conversation was Sam Donald, Josh Rosen, 724 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 3: and I think we talked about it where I had 725 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 3: projected wrongly. I said, Josh Rosen is the shooter. Sam 726 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 3: Donald's more the score that it may not look pretty 727 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 3: from a technique, textbook standpoint, but he finds a way 728 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 3: to get to the winner circle. We talked about in 729 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 3: basketball terms, he's the one gown the pickup squad that 730 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 3: you put him with. 731 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 2: Anybody just kind of figures it out, and that's how 732 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 2: you played it. 733 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 3: Sc And I would say this, unfortunately for him, I 734 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 3: don't know if he's ever been in like a great 735 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 3: situation as a pro. And I know people say we 736 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 3: make excuses for Sam Donald while we light on Sam 737 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 3: Donald compared to other guys. I just don't know if 738 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 3: he's ever been in a great situation, whether it's the Jets, Carolinasco. Yeah, 739 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 3: like you would like to see him surrounded by playmakers 740 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 3: that would allow him to showcase his talent. We'll get 741 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 3: a chance to see that in Minnesota, so then we'll 742 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 3: be able to make a true thing. 743 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 2: But that's kind of it. I always felt like he 744 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 2: was a shooter. I feel like his results overshadowed the process, 745 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 2: and in this league, process matters in terms of how 746 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 2: you go about it because the process allows you to 747 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,719 Speaker 2: have consistent results. He has always been more results process, 748 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 2: So hopefully that works around with Kevin O'Connor. 749 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm excited again. I don't know that there 750 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: is a takeaway from Sam Donald yet. I think after 751 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: this year we'll be able to have the clues to 752 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: help answer that question. I think this is that evaluation year. 753 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: But there you go, Buck, there's some of those reports here, 754 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,479 Speaker 1: had some others. Again, we'll continue to do that over 755 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: time here on the pod where we'll jump in and 756 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: give you some thoughts on what those guys were. You know, 757 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: what was being discussed about those guys back in the day. 758 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: So I hope you guys enjoyed that one. Anything else 759 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: you want to get into before we jump out of here, book. 760 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:33,879 Speaker 2: No, I mean, I think these kinds of things are fun. 761 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 3: I think it's fun to look back at reports and 762 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,240 Speaker 3: to discuss what we learn from each of those evaluations. 763 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,879 Speaker 3: One of the things about being a scout isn't look 764 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,720 Speaker 3: it's a growth mindset that you must have going into it. 765 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 3: Because the game continues to evolve, our evaluations and the 766 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 3: way that we go about evaluating players has to evolve. 767 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 3: And then the thing about the league leaders, I think 768 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 3: you kind of turned me onto that there are two 769 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 3: things that we do looking at league leaders and then 770 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 3: watching the guys that I know people don't like the 771 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 3: Pro bowled in those things, but the guys who are 772 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 3: Pro bowl as in all pros. When you go back 773 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 3: and study what plays in this league and what plays 774 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 3: really well, there's something that you can learn from that. 775 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 3: And so having a discussion where we're projecting all of 776 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 3: these guys, I think brock Preidey is a perfect example. 777 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 3: Seventh round pig one leaders in passer rating. To be 778 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 3: able to look at where he's developed and how far 779 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 3: he's come speaks a lot about just how crazy the 780 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 3: league can be when it comes to evaluating players, particularly 781 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 3: that quarterback position. 782 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: So I know there's a lot of teams and their 783 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: personnel departments at training camp where they'll have kind of 784 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 1: these scout schools right where you get all the scouts 785 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: together and you try and you know, do something to 786 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: help the group become better at what you do. And 787 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of personnel directors at the 788 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: college level that listen to the POD. I would encourage everybody. 789 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: I think that's a great exercise. Whether you're at the 790 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: college level and you've missed on a high school kid 791 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: that's gone on to be a great player, maybe you 792 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: didn't offer him. He goes somewhere else and turns out greats. 793 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: I think it's worth it to do these little projects 794 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: where you cobbled together of these lists of players that 795 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: maybe you didn't see it and then they ended up 796 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: being great, and then pull the lesson out. Every player 797 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: has a story, every player, every evaluation has a lesson 798 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: and what you got right, what you got wrong. But 799 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: I think that's good. I think that's helpful to bring 800 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: those up and to see if you can learn, you know, hey, 801 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: what was the what was the takeaway? What can we 802 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: learn from each of these stories? And just going through 803 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: those those those players who just went through buck I 804 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: mean there's there's a little there's little clues, there's little 805 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: breadcrumbs there you can take something from it. 806 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 3: Always, like DJ, that's that's that's part of it is 807 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 3: always learning. It's always looking to see how can I 808 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 3: do it better than I've done it before? 809 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 2: And whatever really plays in this league. 810 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 3: And I think what you find as an evaluator, you're 811 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 3: more likely to be a little more forgiving if you 812 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 3: start digging into the stuff, because we have this ideal 813 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 3: of what plays in the league, but when you actually 814 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,479 Speaker 3: see what plays and plays really well in the league. 815 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 3: They're flawed players, they'll find a way to get it done. 816 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 3: And if you can understand what the flaws are and 817 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 3: which flaws are not, I would. 818 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,399 Speaker 2: Say like preventive from being able to be successful at all. Yeah. 819 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 3: I think sometimes you can find a way to uncover 820 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 3: a player a hidden gym. 821 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: Yep, there you go. We'll hope you guys have enjoyed 822 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 1: that one. It's a fun, fun topic. We'll have one 823 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: more episode this week as we march closer towards the 824 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: NFL season. Looking forward to it. Hope you guys will 825 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: join us right here on Move to six