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I just want 20 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 3: to say I enjoy your show. I listen to it 21 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 3: all the time. I'm not a mechanic, but I learn 22 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 3: a lot and. 23 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: I thank you. I appreciate it, Yes, ma'am. 24 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: My two thousand and five at eight pour Explorer. I love. 25 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 3: It's got one hundred and fourteen thousand. I've never really 26 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 3: had problems with it, but I was thinking maybe it's 27 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 3: time to replace it, you know. And I go around 28 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 3: trying out cars and I get out of my explore. 29 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 3: Now you know how they used to build cars, right yep? Yea? 30 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 3: And I get into something and it's like you want 31 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 3: how much for this? Right? You know? And I just 32 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 3: keep doing this and I don't like little cars, I 33 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 3: don't like crossovers, and I just I just don't know 34 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 3: what to do. Keep it and just drive it or 35 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 3: what are my options? 36 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 4: Well? 37 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: Give me let me. Let me ask you a couple 38 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: of questions. So you know how much? How many miles 39 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: do you drive in a year? 40 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 3: Not many? I live in a small town, and like 41 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 3: I said, I only have one hundred and fourteen on it. 42 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: And you know, are you working every day? Does it 43 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: have to be? Does it have to start every day? 44 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: Or if one day it didn't start, you could put 45 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: off whatever you were doing and do it the next day. 46 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: While you're geting it fixed. That kind of thing. 47 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 3: I'm retired. And it always starts in Wisconsin too. This 48 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 3: thing goes through snow like you wouldn't believe. 49 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 5: You know, right. 50 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: The only the only downside to keeping it all right, 51 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 2: and let me let me start the conversation here, is 52 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 2: that it's twenty years old. And I know for a 53 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: fact there are certain things that you cannot buy for 54 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 2: that vehicle anymore, and they're even difficult to find in 55 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: the aftermarket, and they're even difficult to find in the 56 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: salvage yard world, like main engine controllers, which are not 57 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 2: uncommon to fail on that generation explore. So you know, 58 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 2: you keep driving it. It may come down to where 59 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 2: one day you need something you can't buy and then 60 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: you're gonna have to buy something quick. So what you're 61 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 2: doing is smart. 62 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 3: You know. 63 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: Starting to look around. You have to sit in a 64 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: bunch of cars. You don't have to necessarily sit in 65 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: a new car, right you have to, you have to sit, 66 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: But you have to sit in a bunch of cars. 67 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: You can do well buying a what I call a 68 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: three year old CPO or certified pre owned vehicle, meaning 69 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: it's something that was traded in back in it was 70 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: three years old. It's typically got twenty five to thirty 71 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: thousand miles on it, it's two thirds of the price 72 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 2: of what it would have been new, and you get 73 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 2: a great warranty generally with a CPO car for most manufacturers, 74 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 2: and it's a pretty good deal. So it's something to 75 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 2: go look for. Now, the question is what, right, what 76 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: is it that you're going to buy? Have you sat? 77 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: Have you sat in a New Explorer? 78 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 3: I don't like crossovers, okay, I just you're kind of 79 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 3: my generation. Do you remember the fifty station Wagon? 80 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, listen and a hearse? 81 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 3: How do you take a crossover and it's across in 82 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 3: the station fifty station Wagon? And aharse? I just think 83 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 3: it's ugly. 84 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 2: Right, that's okay. So you know, what is it that 85 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: you want to drive? What do you like? 86 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 3: I like something that's like a taint, like what I got. Well, 87 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: you know, something's safe and it's built. You know, it's 88 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 3: heavy and it goes through it and well. 89 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: They don't make that anymore. So that's a problem. 90 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, that's my problem. 91 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: So you know, here's here comes the trade off. So 92 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: since we know you can't get what you're driving, because 93 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: if you did, you'd be driving it already. What's your 94 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: what's your second choice? You really don't like the look 95 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 2: of a new Explorer? 96 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: No, okay, no, I don't like crossovers at all. 97 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: Okay, what about what about a Chevy Tahoe. 98 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 3: Oh that's a thought. 99 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 2: Right, But wait, do you see the price tag on those? 100 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: I tried want to use one out up at the garage, 101 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 3: and it was seventy three thousand, right right? 102 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: These are like these are like phone numbers, and that's 103 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 2: that's the other part of the problem. Or listen, do 104 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: you go completely retro? Do you go backwards? Do you 105 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 2: go buy a completely you know, do you go if 106 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: you're going to spend fifty grand, do you go buy 107 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 2: a redone sixties something that your mechanics says, yeah, I 108 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,799 Speaker 2: can get parts for that, because sometimes it's actually easier 109 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: to get parts for older vehicles than newer vehicles. And 110 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: you know, you go back to your days of high school. 111 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 2: What was your car in high school? 112 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 3: Dodge Darts? 113 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: Oh, Debbie, we have to get you out more. That's 114 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: that's not you know, Wait a minute, So, so all 115 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: your friends were driving Camaros and Chevelle's and road runners 116 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: and you were driving a Dodge Dart. 117 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I liked it too. 118 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: Oh, Debbie, No, Debbie, Debbie, you were you? 119 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 3: Weren't you? 120 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: Weren't cheese queen in Wisconsin? 121 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 5: Were you? 122 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 4: By chance? 123 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: I mean it's no dart, okay. So uh, you know, 124 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: just got to get into a bunch of cars, you know, 125 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: and listen, let's not let's not rule out. Go sit 126 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: in a new Toyota Highlander. Go sit in a Grand Highlander. 127 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: And you're gonna tell me you don't like Toyota's but 128 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you that they make a pretty 129 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 2: fair automobile, all right. And I would tell you to 130 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 2: go sit in a Chevy Tahoe. I would go sit 131 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: in I would give that Ford Explorer a second look. 132 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: You're not going to like an Escape because it's too tiny, right, 133 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: But you know the problem is you got to sit 134 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: in a bunch of cars figure out what you like. 135 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: You're dealing with a pile of technology because you're going 136 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: from something twenty years old to today, which is going 137 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 2: to be culture shock. 138 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 3: You know, when I first started trying out cars, the 139 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 3: salesman threw me the keys and told me to take it. 140 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 3: I got in the cars after and I didn't know 141 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 3: how to start it right. You had to come. You 142 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 3: didn't use the Y I had no question. 143 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 2: And this is the problem, right, this is absolutely the problem. 144 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 2: And this is something you got to get used to. 145 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 2: But that's why I'm saying you got to decide sooner 146 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: rather than later, because you're gonna get stuck in a 147 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: hole one day. You're going to be behind the eight 148 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: ball and I'm going. 149 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 3: To the middle of winter in fifty below. Yeah. 150 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 2: Well you know, listen, I'm I'm gonna talk to you 151 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 2: like we were standing at the counter and I just 152 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: found out that the frame was rotted on your truck 153 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 2: and you had to replace it right away. Debbie, you know, 154 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 2: you're faced with the decision that you've got to do 155 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 2: it now rather than later, and you know, make up 156 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: your mind. Pick something. You know, maybe what you want 157 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: to do is go look at rental cars and go drive. 158 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: Go rent a car for a weekend and drive it 159 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: for the weekend. You know, I think I want to 160 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: drive a Tahoe. At least I'm going to spend seventy 161 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: three thousand dollars. Maybe I like driving it for the 162 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: weekend so much I won't mind spending the money. Well, 163 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: you'll always you'll always mind. You and I are built 164 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: the same, I can tell, but you know we'll always mind. 165 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 2: But at least we enjoy it. We kind of get 166 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: a test drive for the weekend, just to see what 167 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: it's like. You know, the strangest joy in driving cars 168 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,239 Speaker 2: comes out of the weirdest places. I bought a tea Bird, 169 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: an O two tea Bird for my wife a year 170 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: and a half ago. And you know, I don't know. 171 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: That car is always broken. It's always in the shops. 172 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: You always asks where it is. I say, I don't know. 173 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: I'm still driving it. I'll let you know. But I 174 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: enjoy the death out of that car. It's a it's 175 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: a it's an O two Bird. Yeah, it's a basic automobile. 176 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: I get confused because there's no GPS, there's no dash display, 177 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 2: there's no it's very mechanical. 178 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: You know what. 179 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: Out of all the cars I have, I enjoy that 180 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: car the most. But you know, you got to you 181 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: gotta find that car that winds your clock. It's important. 182 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 3: So what do you think of wranglers? I kind of 183 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 3: have an affinity forum. But I am sixty seven. You know, 184 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: I don't know. 185 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think a Wrangler's I think a 186 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: Wrangler is a fun vehicle, all right, But you gotta 187 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: be prepared. Either you get a good one or you don't. 188 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: I've seen some jeeps go one hundred and fifty thousand 189 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: miles road hard, put away wet. If it was a horse, 190 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: that would have been shot. And I've seen some jeeps 191 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: go thirty two thousand miles in the engines. The engines fail, 192 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: no rhyme or reason, all right. So the bigger question 193 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: would be what can your mechanic work on? Because I 194 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 2: can tell you've got a guy, he's your guy, he's 195 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 2: been your guy that's been doing all your service, and 196 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: I would sit down and talk to him. What's he 197 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: comfortable with? And and that's important when you're picking a 198 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 2: used car, because a lot of times you buy the 199 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 2: wrong car and you find out you got to change mechanics, 200 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: and that's as much of a culture shocks as buying 201 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: the wrong car. 202 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 3: So, yeah, he was steering me away from that. He's 203 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 3: not happy with that. 204 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 2: Well, I don't think you will either, because they get 205 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: to be expensive to maintain. They're great when they're new, 206 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: but Chrysler jeeps. We see more than a few problems 207 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: with them. It's some like I said, it's a fun vehicle, 208 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 2: you just got to have a pocketbook to go with it. 209 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 3: So yeah, yep, that's true. All right, kidd you gave 210 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 3: me some really good ideas, all right, some used ones 211 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 3: like I wrote it down, you know, within the mileage 212 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 3: and stuff. I think I'm going to start doing that. 213 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you have to. And if you want 214 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: to hear this conversation again in about an hour four 215 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: o'clock Eastern time, about five o'clock Eastern time today, this 216 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 2: will become a podcast. This is the second hour, and 217 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: you were in the top off at the top of 218 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: the hour, so you can listen to this segment all 219 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 2: over again. Just go to cardoctorshow dot com and go 220 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 2: look at our podcast page and you'll be able to 221 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: find it there. 222 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 3: All right, kidding, Thank you so much. 223 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: You're very welcome to WB Well eight five to five 224 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: five six zero nine nine zero zero, run on any 225 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 2: of the card Doctor coming back right after this, let's 226 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: go to Maine and talk to John about his fifteen 227 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: JEP Grand Cherokee. John, you're on with the Car Doctor 228 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: at eighty five to five five six zero nine nine 229 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: zero zero. How can I help? 230 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 4: Hi? 231 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 6: Ron, thanks for taking my phone call. 232 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 2: Welcome sir. What's going on? 233 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 6: Well, let me a little bit of a freef history here. 234 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 6: I replaced the fan in this jeep just about a 235 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 6: month ago. The other one went bad, so ordered fan. 236 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 6: Put it in. Everything seemed fine, took you all the grid, 237 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 6: fired it up, let us sit there for a while, 238 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 6: and in a little over two hundred degrees the fan 239 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 6: come on. I said, the operation success. About two days 240 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 6: later the check engine might come on and give the 241 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 6: P four to eighty code. In fact that I think 242 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 6: there was two of them. So I erased him. Everything 243 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 6: was fine for a couple more days and come back 244 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 6: on again, and so I erased it again. The next 245 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 6: day it come on, and this time they had three codes. 246 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 6: One of them said permanent. So I hit the race 247 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 6: checking gin light. When I so and so forth, next 248 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 6: day it did it, I rased it. It went about 249 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 6: four days in no light. Come on for the heck 250 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 6: of it, I said, you know what, I'm going to 251 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 6: put my code reader in and check it. And there 252 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 6: was no codes, not even the permanent one. Then a 253 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 6: week later it comes back on. So right now, About 254 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 6: every fourth or fifth time you stop the car, the 255 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 6: light comes on given that P four eighty code. 256 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 2: Oh so it's intermittent. 257 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 6: Yes, oh good. 258 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: I thought this was going to be hard, so let's 259 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: let's attack it like this. Prior to any of all this, 260 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 2: the old fan module just failed outright and didn't work right. Okay, 261 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: I noticed. 262 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 6: I noticed the engine heating out but not getting hot, 263 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 6: and I let it sit, the drive it one day, 264 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 6: let it go to about two hundred and twenty degrees. 265 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 6: The fan come on, So I said, okay, I the 266 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 6: order a fan. Are no codes? 267 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: Right? Are Are you the original owner of this vehicle? 268 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 6: John, I've been in about eight years. 269 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: All right, to your knowledge, ever been a front end 270 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: accident or collision? 271 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 6: Yes? 272 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: Okay, there has been all right? How recent? 273 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 6: Oh? Five six years ago? 274 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: Okay? Just you know the only reason I bring that 275 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: up is because and I always ask this question when 276 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: I'm dealing with fans or front front front and backs 277 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 2: of cars are the two places that get hit the most, right. 278 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: Usually when something gets hit on the side the cars, 279 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: the vehicle's total but it's usually a front hit or 280 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: a back hit. You know that Statistics show that it's 281 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's that's where things happen the most. 282 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 2: And if it's a front hit. Okay, So you know, 283 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: if you look at the wiring harness, is it routed 284 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: in its original holders? Does it look like it's pulled 285 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 2: or strained such that underneath the convolute covering or underneath 286 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: the wire taping, does it look like it was the 287 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: harness was put back together correctly? You know, I'm looking 288 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 2: for a potential problematic wiring harness is what I'm trying 289 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: to get to, right, and only you and your eye 290 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: can see that that. You'll need to go over that 291 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 2: and trace that harness out and look at it as 292 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 2: carefully as you can. 293 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 6: Well, I have had go back history again. Originally the 294 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 6: fan I replaced was only three years old. The first 295 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 6: one that went bad. Went online, did a bunch of 296 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 6: tasks and they told me to check for probes and 297 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 6: the radiator and thermistics and stuff like that. And there's 298 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 6: two really two relays, and there's two fuses. One says 299 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 6: FAN one, one says Fan two. And tracing the harness out, 300 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 6: nothing goes to those fuses or the relays. There's the 301 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 6: number six wire that goes to one hundred and amp 302 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 6: link fuse underneath the box where you put your murders, 303 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 6: where you put your booster cables in the passenger side right, 304 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 6: and the black wire goes to the block. There's a 305 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 6: number eighteen wire, which I assume is the command wire 306 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 6: since wire in that harness, So there's only the three wires. 307 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 6: I would tell the red is always hot, the black 308 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 6: goes to ground, and then there would be the signal. 309 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: Wire right correct. Now there are two versions of this fan, 310 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 2: just just to clarify that, depending upon what you originally had. 311 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 2: There can be a variable speed fan and there can 312 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: be a two speed fan. And to my memory, they 313 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 2: look alike. They would both plug in, but they would 314 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: actually take that back. They would both fit in, but 315 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: I don't believe they electrically plug in. But my point becomes, 316 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 2: make sure you're looking at the right wiring diagram. If 317 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: your wiring diagram doesn't match what you've got, then you've 318 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 2: got the wrong diagram, and that's why it doesn't make sense. 319 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 6: Okay, Well, I do know the red wire goes to 320 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 6: the hundre damp link fuse. I know the black wire 321 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 6: goes to directly to the engine block and it plugs in. 322 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 6: The fan is variable speed, It'll come on real slow 323 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 6: sometimes because I can see the blaze as it spins. 324 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 6: And then if it's really hot, We've had one day 325 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 6: a really hot weather to hear with the air conditioner 326 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 6: on that I can hear it, you know, reving up 327 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 6: like a jet engine. 328 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: Then I'm going to tell you the first thing I'm 329 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 2: gonna do on Monday is I'm going to take the 330 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 2: last day digits of the VN and call my local 331 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 2: Chrysler dealer and ask them, Hey, I want to price 332 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 2: on a new fan. Can you tell me if this 333 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 2: is variable speed or clearcut one and two speed fan, 334 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: just to make sure, just to make sure. If they 335 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: say it's variable speed and you have a variable speed, 336 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: then at least you know you've got the right fan 337 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 2: in the vehicle. On the chance that both would plug in, 338 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: I don't think they will. But I'm just trying to 339 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: cover the bases and eliminate, you know, let me eliminate 340 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: the easy stuff first. 341 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 6: Sure. 342 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 2: The second thing is after market fan or OE fan. 343 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: And you knew I was going to ask this question. 344 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 2: It's an aptomatic Okay, well, price difference, Yeah. 345 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 6: It's actually the same fan I bought before, same part 346 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 6: number from the same company. Okay, Now, now the other 347 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 6: one went three years with no check engine light on. Anyway, 348 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 6: it just decides to give up the ghost. And when 349 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 6: I actually took it out of the car, I took 350 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 6: the took it apart, took the back cover of it, 351 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 6: and there was, uh three chips that were burned up 352 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 6: in it. 353 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 2: Right. See, because I'm kind of concerned that it's the 354 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 2: fan itself, just because you had a bad fan but 355 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 2: no light. Now you have a fan that works, and 356 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 2: now you've got a series of codes. So what changed? 357 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: The only thing that's really changed in this equation, everything 358 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 2: else being equal, is you put it. You put a 359 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 2: fan assembly in it. Sure, and whether it's you know, 360 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 2: whether it's after market or oe. You know, that kind 361 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: of gets to you. It sits in the back of 362 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: your mind. What you what you could do, is what 363 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 2: I would do is put a put an electrical load 364 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: across the ground and the hot since they're constant, right, 365 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: and that light should be lit all the time, right, 366 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 2: And can you take it for a ride and watch 367 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 2: that light? Does that light flicker, does that light change, 368 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: does that light change in intensity? Does that light you know, 369 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 2: go dim, go bright, et cetera. And if that light 370 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 2: is a constant bright, well then I know it's not 371 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 2: power and ground. It's either signal wire or the way 372 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 2: the signal wire is interpreting the fan. And at that 373 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 2: point I'm going to go to the company that I 374 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 2: bought it from and say, listen, I think I've got 375 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 2: a defect here. I want to try another fan. That's 376 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 2: the value in buying from a company you can you 377 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: can talk to. So do those steps. If you need more, John, 378 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: you know where to find me. But I think you're 379 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 2: going to find the answer in one of those steps 380 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 2: that we discussed eight five five five six zero nine 381 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 2: nine zero zero running any of the car doctor coming 382 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: back right after this, let's uh oh, let's go cruise 383 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 2: over to Virginia and talk to Paul ninety four fifty Paul, 384 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 2: how are you today? What can I do for you? 385 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 4: All right? Hi, Ron, that should take my pall. 386 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 2: You're welcome. 387 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 4: I've got well, first of all, I've got two kind 388 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 4: of general questions. You know, there's I guess more than 389 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 4: a dozen different kinds of any freeze today. And then 390 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 4: you got the one that says compatible with all makes 391 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 4: models years. Okay, then why isn't it just one? And uh, 392 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 4: I've got ten vehicles. The newest one is the ninety four, 393 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 4: so they're all conventional green, and that's where I've been using. 394 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 4: I was wondering if that yellow, which is a a 395 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 4: longer life one, if that would be okay to use 396 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 4: and would be okay to mix with green. 397 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:57,479 Speaker 2: So, okay, great questions, you know. It's it's the answer 398 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 2: to why we have so many different types of Annie freezes. 399 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 2: Why are there so many different kinds of ketchup in 400 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 2: the supermarket? Ketchup is ketchup, right, but yet everybody's got 401 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 2: their own brand and style and look and flavor and taste, 402 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 2: and anti freezers run the same way, so every manufacturer 403 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 2: wants something different. It's based on the electronics in the vehicle. 404 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: It's based on the alloys and the rubber components that 405 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: the engine is made up of. It's based on a 406 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: lot of factors that each manufacturer and each engineer that's 407 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: involved in the building of that vehicle goes to, so 408 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 2: they put different things in. But I agree with you, 409 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 2: it seems very complicated, right, And I'm sure if we asked, 410 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: I'm sure if we asked an engineer, we'd get about 411 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 2: a four day answer, and it would all still come 412 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: back to use the green, use the yellow, use the blue, 413 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 2: use the red, and and so be it the universal, 414 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: the universal stuff which I've I've seen people use. I've 415 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 2: never used it in all honesty, just because I've always 416 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: had that particular application available to me. I think my opinion, 417 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 2: I think the universal is there in the emergency. You're 418 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: in the autoparts store, you need red, they're out of red, 419 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 2: or you can't get red, or you've got maybe you've 420 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: got three different vehicles at home, a red cooling car, 421 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: a green cooling car, a blue cooling car. Now you've 422 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 2: only got to buy one coolant and you're covered. And 423 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: that answer would make sense to me. I think it's 424 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 2: more important when we're buying anti freeze the quality of 425 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 2: it all right, And I think there's a lot of 426 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 2: choices out there. I think there's a lot of confusion 427 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: out there, just like when I buy you know, you 428 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 2: hear me talk about fuel system cleaner. I always talk 429 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 2: about engineering. I talk about anti freeze. I talk about 430 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 2: engineering and the chemical makeup of it. We use peak 431 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 2: in the shop. You hear me talk about Peak all 432 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: the time. Yes, they're a sponsor here on the radio show. 433 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 2: And it's not that I use it because of that. 434 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 2: They actually became a sponsor because I used Peak in 435 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 2: the shop and started talking about it. They put the 436 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 2: dots together. I think Peak, which has been around a 437 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 2: very long time, and Peak has, you know, really done 438 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 2: their homework and make a quality product in both universal 439 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 2: and the colored coolants that you know that you're getting 440 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: the correct anti freeze application. So much so, for example, 441 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 2: if you use Peak, I'll call it Toyota coolant. They've 442 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 2: combined the red and the pink from long life to 443 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 2: extended long life into one coolant with the correct additives 444 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 2: that you're not damaging or hurting the engine. You're doing 445 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 2: it just as Toyota would want you to do. So, 446 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 2: just when you pick an anti freeze, pick engineering and 447 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 2: pick quality over anything else and you can't go wrong. 448 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 2: Is fair answer? Does that answer it for you? 449 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 4: Yeah? 450 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 2: Okay? Onto onto your question? 451 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 4: Okay, and then just real quick, excuse me. Last week 452 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 4: something called in about the Cadillac and you mentioned the 453 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 4: perosity of those blocks. 454 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 3: Wouldn't case Heal help them? 455 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 2: Caseal could have, but I wanted him to do some testing. 456 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 2: I didn't want to just blindly put something in until 457 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 2: we until we knew what we were dealing with. Sometimes 458 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 2: I don't like to listen. You got to understand where 459 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 2: I come from. I talk to so many people here 460 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 2: on air and then at the shop during the course 461 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 2: of the week. In my mind, I'm doing the diagnosis 462 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 2: in my head, frankly, and I'm trying to get you 463 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 2: to learn how to test it before you just fix it. 464 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:24,239 Speaker 4: You know. 465 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 2: It's it's to be a little comical, and I don't 466 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 2: know if the joke will do well. But there's a 467 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 2: scene in one episode of Hogan's Heroes where they're gonna 468 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,239 Speaker 2: and I'm dating myself, but they're going to blow up 469 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 2: a tower, and Hogan says to the boys, we got 470 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: to find out what this is. And Carter goes why, 471 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 2: and Hogan says, because this way, at the end of 472 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 2: the war, you can tell you your kids, we blew 473 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 2: up a this or EVA instead of we just blew 474 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 2: up a tower. You know. I want to know where 475 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 2: the coolant leak is coming from. I want to know 476 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: if it's porosity in the block. I want to know 477 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 2: if it's a head gasket. I want to know what 478 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: I'm dealing with before I just fix it. That's why 479 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 2: I will always encourage a diagnosis, all right, That's just 480 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: that's just where I will come from, because when I 481 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 2: find out it's neither one of those, then maybe not 482 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 2: in putting case seal in, but certain times, just to 483 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 2: recommend a repair without knowing what it is I'm trying 484 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: to fix, I may actually hurt the situation. So I 485 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 2: I always want to know. I try to be that specific. 486 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 2: All right, onto your question, sir. 487 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 4: Okay, Right, I had well, I was in town eighteen 488 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 4: miles away, and I was I had gotten gas and 489 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 4: it was driving oct first, and then as I was 490 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 4: going along road and came across, came around and Benn, 491 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 4: there was trashing the road, okay, and could not avoid it. 492 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 4: So when I when I got home, I can actually 493 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 4: hear uh click click, and I'm just like, look that 494 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 4: and uh there was a can, a beer can that 495 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 4: was still stuck to my tire. 496 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 6: But that was a lot. 497 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 2: That was a lot of trash. 498 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah. And and then there was a when I 499 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 4: backed up, there was an entire bag that then released 500 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 4: from the undercarriage. So that might have bothered wiring, you know, 501 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 4: so who knows the punt? I only hear I don't 502 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 4: hear it each time I turn it, and uh, sometimes 503 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 4: it'll start, other times not. And it's uh, it just 504 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 4: became real difficult. And that gas station that I stopped at, 505 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 4: which was not the usual, uh, is kind of a 506 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 4: little bit below the road, and we've had a lot 507 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 4: of rain in June, so I might have gotten a 508 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 4: considerable amount of water. 509 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: Don't come. 510 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 2: So your question, your question to me is what happened? 511 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know if you draw gas out, you'll see 512 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 4: the gas separated from the water, and the gas will 513 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 4: be on top of the water, be on the bottom. Yep. 514 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 4: Well I haven't gotten to do that yet, so. 515 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 2: You know, maybe the answer to this question is because 516 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 2: you're telling me it doesn't run right, right, correct, right. 517 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 2: It's let's start with the simple stuff. First, visual inspection. 518 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 2: What does the undercarriage look like? Is there wiring torn 519 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 2: up or is it no offense? Is it your imagination 520 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 2: that yeah, you ran over trash, but it has nothing 521 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 2: to do with why the vehicle doesn't start or runs 522 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 2: like it does, because it's really related to water in 523 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 2: the fuel. Because you've painted two different scenarios here, correct. 524 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 4: Yes, and I all went under it with the creeper 525 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 4: and I didn't see anything tore loose. 526 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 2: Well to my point. So let's let's take a motion 527 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 2: and fear out of this, and let's just be scientific. 528 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 2: Let's pull a fuel sample, real easy to do. Hook 529 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: a fuel pressure gauge up or some sort of trader 530 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 2: test point at the fuel pressure test point up under 531 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 2: the hood. Let's see does it fill a Snapple bottle? 532 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,719 Speaker 2: That's just a volume test, just for the heck of it. 533 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 2: It's an older truck, right, it's thirty years old. And 534 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 2: let's just test and see do we have good fuel 535 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: pump and what does the fuel look like? Fuel looks 536 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 2: like fuel, Fuel fills the Snapple bottle or an equal 537 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 2: sized bottle and under thirty seconds, fuel's not the issue. 538 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 2: Then let's scan it for codes. That's a ninety four, 539 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 2: that's pre OBD two. So let's not count on a 540 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 2: quick reaction. One of the distractions, and one of the 541 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 2: problems with newer vehicles is they've spoiled us as mechanics 542 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 2: and technicians. We expect answers and failure responses so much quicker. Well, 543 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 2: older stuff moved at a much slower speed, all right, 544 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 2: It just it moved at the speed of molasses. And 545 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 2: you've got to go in and retrieve faults and look 546 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 2: to see if that vehicle were to run a Ford 547 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 2: static code test, meaning that it keon engine off and 548 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 2: it passed and there's no faults, and then it passed 549 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: an engine running test. There isn't a wiring issue, there 550 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 2: isn't a code issue. We've got to look for something 551 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 2: outside those parameters. So first two things, quality of fuel, 552 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 2: volume of fuel pump, a quick code test. You won't 553 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 2: have to crawl all over the vehicle. I think you're 554 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 2: going to find a direction to go within that and 555 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 2: then we can talk about it further next week. So 556 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: do those things, Paul, give me a call back, let 557 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 2: me know what you find, and I'll be here for 558 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 2: you at eight five five five six zero nine nine 559 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 2: zero zero. I'm running any of the Car Doctor. I'll 560 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 2: be back right after this. Let's see next up. Let's 561 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 2: let's go back to Virginia. Talk to Troy sixteen Subaru Legacy. Troy. 562 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Car Doctor. How can I help? 563 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 5: Hey, Ron, Thanks for taking my call. Welcome sir, Hey 564 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 5: twenty sixteen Subaru Legacy. We bought it in twenty nineteen. 565 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 5: Thirty thousand miles on it right now it's sitting at 566 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 5: one hundred and three. We drive it about three times 567 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 5: a month, days in the garage, kept the maintenance up 568 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 5: on it. Never had a problem with it. We drove 569 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 5: about forty five fifty miles last week, parked it. It 570 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 5: set for a couple hours. We came back, got in it, 571 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 5: went to start it and it lit up by your 572 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 5: Christmas treek. Oh boy, DFC tracks control abs all that. 573 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 5: So look in the manual real quick. Luckily we had 574 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 5: it there, so we checked it said do not drive absolutely. 575 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 5: It says, you know, C manufacturer, seed dealer. So luckily 576 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 5: we had a friend that would brought a car trailer, 577 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 5: towed us back it in the garage and went out 578 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 5: the next day. Start well, we started looking up what 579 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 5: the problem was. You to see all these YouTube videos, 580 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 5: it's you know, it's like, well it needs twelve courts. 581 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 5: You're at a one hundred thousand on the Superrew Legacy. 582 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 5: It's one hundred thousand miles. It's time for you to 583 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 5: do a transmission service change of filter. It's gonent E 584 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 5: twelve course of you know, transmission fluid. However, it wasn't 585 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 5: really happy with that situation. We just wasn't real sure. 586 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 5: So talk to a couple of friends and just you know, 587 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 5: just kind of you doing what you do before you're 588 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 5: really take it in within the first twenty four hours. 589 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 5: What what what? What folks do you know that may 590 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 5: give you an idea what's wrong with it? So the 591 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,719 Speaker 5: next day go out, turn it on, start it up. 592 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 5: The lights are gone. 593 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 2: So let me let me ask let me ask you this, Troy. 594 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 2: Did anybody pull fault codes out of this car? 595 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 5: And absolutely not not at this point? 596 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 2: Okay, can I can I tell you something before you 597 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 2: go any further? Yes, sir, you're playing mind games with yourself. Okay, 598 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 2: you know you're you're you're you're mentally making yourself crazy. 599 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 2: Go get a code scan, and I don't mean an 600 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,959 Speaker 2: autopart store code scan. I mean a real by manufacturer 601 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen Subaru legacy. What fault code is here? All right? 602 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 2: You know this is why you ever get a medical 603 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 2: condition and you go look it up on the internet 604 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 2: and they tell you that your toenail fell off means 605 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 2: you're gonna die on Tuesday you know. It's why. It's why, 606 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 2: it's why you don't go look up medical conditions. And 607 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 2: I don't look up anything. If I don't feel good, 608 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 2: I wait twenty four hours. If I'm still alive, I 609 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 2: go to work. If not, I call a doctor. You know, 610 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 2: as dumb as that sounds, because you look up things 611 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 2: on the internet, it'll scare you, right, it's it's everything 612 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 2: is just too generic. The fact that all the lights 613 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 2: are on. Was the check engine light on? Is my okay? 614 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 2: So no check engine light, ABS and traction control came on. 615 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 2: Did it say anything about trans temp too high? 616 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 4: No? 617 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 2: Okay, So it sounds like you've got an ABS or 618 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 2: traction control fault that will turn on other codes or 619 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that will turn on other lights, depending upon 620 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 2: what fault code has occurred. Because a lot of the 621 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 2: systems on a modern vehicle are intertwined, they're interconnected, right, 622 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 2: So for example, you could get a bad oxygen you 623 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 2: gonna have an oxygen censor fault code. Let's say the 624 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 2: check engine light was on because the engine has a 625 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: oxygen sensor fault. It will it all likelihood turn on 626 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 2: traction control, turn on ABS, turn on trans controller. It 627 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: will look, because because engine operation affects the operation of 628 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 2: all those other systems, everything is connected. Go get a 629 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 2: code scan done, and get it done, either within twenty 630 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 2: four hours of the next time the lights cycle, or 631 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 2: while the lights are on. At least that gives you 632 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,479 Speaker 2: a direction to look. All right, but don't don't start 633 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 2: doing maintenance until you know what those codes are, because 634 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 2: you're just going to start spending money where you don't 635 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 2: need to, and that's important. Give me a favorite. Get 636 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 2: the code skin done this week. Coming back next week. 637 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 2: We'll be here live on the fourth of July and 638 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 2: we can talk about it then. All right, kiddo, good luck. 639 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: Let me know what happens. I'm running ending in the car. Doctor. 640 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 2: I'm back right after this. Before I go today, I 641 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 2: want to just talk to you real quick about we're 642 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 2: into that time of year where it's hot out right. 643 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 2: It's been hot geez. I mean Tuesday at the shop 644 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 2: here in North Jersey, it was so hot you walked 645 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 2: outside of two o'clock, it was like being it was 646 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 2: like it was like an oven. It's so hot. It 647 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 2: was one hundred and four degrees outside the shop this week, 648 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 2: Tuesday and Wednesday, it was crazy and I want to 649 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 2: just talk to you about you know, the overheat thing. Right, 650 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 2: your car runs hot, your vehicle's running hot, you see 651 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 2: higher temperature, and you know, some dues and don'ts all right, 652 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 2: regardless of where you are with part of the country. 653 00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 2: But if you're in a part of the country that's 654 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 2: you know, super hot, you may have an overheat condition. 655 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 2: Have you serviced your cooling system? And by that, I 656 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 2: don't mean just have you changed coolant. Of course, changing 657 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 2: coolant is a whole different connotation now, right, you know, 658 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 2: but if your car's got coolant in it longer than 659 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 2: five years, it probably is due. Check your manufacturers, some 660 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 2: of them are very specific. But servicing the cooling system, 661 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 2: making sure belts and hoses are good, making sure there 662 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 2: are no obstructions, nothing's blocking airflow where it's supposed to 663 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 2: underneath or behind the grille of the condenser and so on. 664 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 2: And absolutely positively, if it's steaming from under the hood 665 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 2: and you pull over, do not lift the hood. You 666 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 2: could get hurt and you already know it's overheating. Wait 667 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 2: till it cools off. I'm running any in the car, 668 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 2: doctor until the next time. Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're 669 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 2: priceless