1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Am I the a hole for breaking up with my 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: boyfriend because of my friends lies? 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 2: Break up? Don't go back? 4 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Oh, you heard it here first, and we're gonna answer 5 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: the question today. Should you help bad friends change their ways? 6 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: Akuna matata a kuna matata? And this story comes from 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: ohc R four P, who says a year ago, I 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: was about to move in with my first serious boyfriend, Josh, 9 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: with whom I was head over heels in love with, 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: when one of my closest friends said that Josh had 11 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: showed them a nude photo of me on his phone 12 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: when he was drunk during a party. 13 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: Not a good move, joh is Josh, what what are 14 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: you doing? Broh? That's that's not how you keep a lady. No. 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: Five or six more of my friends coroborated the story 16 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: and told me that Josh also talked in extreme detail 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: about our spicy sleep sleep life when showing the photo. 18 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: It was sickeningly detailed. 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 3: Like an erotic fanfic where it's like he moved his 20 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 3: member into my cave of wonders, my. 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: Meat cave, Miami cave. We haven't said he was unbearable, 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: would you? 23 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: Is that a breakup on the spot? 24 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 3: So I had a girl who like had a spicy 25 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 3: sleep podcast that she like talked about things. 26 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: WHOA, Yeah, I was fine. I'm fine, but at. 27 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 3: Least there's context, I mean, and she talked in detail 28 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: about things with her friends about our I'm but I'm 29 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 3: fine with it. It's just all just like she comes 30 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 3: over to the pot, look, stands on a box and 31 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 3: starts a ted talk. I mean, maybe not that, but 32 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: if it's with her close friends, I don't think I 33 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 3: would mind because. 34 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: He knows he's good. 35 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 36 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: Maybe if it was like this guy sucks and like 37 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 2: maybe if you. 38 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 4: Didn't have like a size twelve foot you see a 39 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 4: little insecure about it, you know. 40 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: Comments, I'll let you go crazy with that one. Maybe. 41 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: I mean for me, I don't think it would be 42 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: a breakup, but. 43 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: Fair enough because he'll just be bragging comments, comments, let 44 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: us know how you feel. So this did not sound 45 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: like Josh at all. When I asked him what the 46 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: f was going on, he denied everything. He eventually got 47 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: very angry and started calling all of my friends liars, 48 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: and at one point he showed up at my place 49 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: while some of them were visiting, and things got a 50 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: little physical. It was really a very strange turn of 51 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: events in my life. Josh seems so worked up, and 52 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: all my close friends were calling him a liar. Josh 53 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: had taken photos of me on his phone, which I 54 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: know was stupid, but in the heat of the moment 55 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: and everything, so I trusted my friends and I broke 56 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: up with Josh. 57 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: Whoa over over Gosh, don't. 58 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. Also just a bad move to share pictures, such 59 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 3: a bad such a bad move, like like share pictures, 60 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 3: talk about it, like, unless you're trying to support your 61 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: girlfriend's small business and she's. 62 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: That is a completely different AFT model. Yeah, if she 63 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 1: if she's, if she's on that. 64 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 3: That that grind model, OAF model, OAF model. Can we 65 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: can say oth model mode oath works great, oathworks. 66 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: But it was heart wrenching to break up, and Josh 67 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: begged me to believe him. He started tearing up, nearly 68 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: punched the wall, and left angrily. I was really grossed 69 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 1: out at the time and felt super conforted. A few 70 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: months later, I started dating one of the friends, Alex, 71 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: who had told me about Josh showing everyone of the photo. 72 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: Wait she started dating I see you in the comments 73 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: I sent. 74 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: Sabotage's right for the saboteur. 75 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is so you're the one that basically dropped 76 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: the smoking gun evidence that caused a breakup, and you 77 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:57,119 Speaker 1: start dating that person he pursues you. It's like it's like, oh, 78 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: someone died and you would are inherit the whole four 79 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's like there's a little bit of motive here. 80 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: Maybe he just saw it and was like, I got 81 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: to get a piece of that. I mean, that seems 82 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: to be exactly what is happening here. 83 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: Oh man, I feel like there's something I'm missing. No, no, 84 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: I was Riley. 85 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 3: Riley is saying he saw the pictures, like, oh, I'm 86 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 3: down to get some of that. But I think what 87 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 3: actually happened is it was sabotage. 88 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 2: I think it made up this story. Ah, I see, 89 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. 90 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 3: So well, A little sus a little sus Parah says, says. 91 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 2: All of my friends were pushing me to date Alex 92 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: at the time. 93 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: The guy who shared the picture we didn't really or 94 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: the guy who told op about the picture we didn't 95 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: really sink and it didn't go past a few months, 96 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: but we remained friends of sorts. So today another friend 97 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: sends me a message that says he just wanted to 98 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: get something off of his chest. The story about Josh 99 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: wasn't true. We I see you, I see you, we 100 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: knew chat chatting us. 101 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,239 Speaker 2: We got it. We're on it, big brain. 102 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: After talking to a few other people, including Alex, it's 103 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: all come out that they were lying and there was 104 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: like multiple friends. 105 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 3: That's it's crazy that they all collaborated on this. 106 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: What friend would be like, Oh, hey, could you like 107 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: lie to this girl that her boyfriend was like showing 108 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: nudes and like doing all this crazy terrible friend, terrible 109 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: friends or. 110 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 3: Way too loyal of a friend that is willing to 111 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 3: basically incriminate themselves and go out on their morals. 112 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: You know what, they're evil friends, so they're evil to 113 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: everyone else, but they help each other. 114 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: Do their evil bidding. Yeah, yeah, it's a it's like 115 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 2: a like an evil kingdom, evil. 116 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: Kingdom, yes, an evil roundtable of devilish knights. It was 117 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: this effing orchestrated BS event that totally changed my life forever. 118 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: Apparently they hated Josh and thought he was bad for 119 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: me and an a hole, so they do this. So 120 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: you think the movie is to help someone lie that 121 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: they're sharing some noodies. 122 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: I guess so far by fire with fire, dude, my 123 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 3: holary with a holary. 124 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: That was my effing decision, and I am shaking right now. 125 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: I cried in the office bathroom for about two hours afterwards. 126 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: I loved Josh so much, Keywards loved past tense. We 127 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: were planning a life together, and I've been friends with 128 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: that group since high school. What the F I guess 129 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to stop talking to my friends, right, Yeah? 130 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 3: I mean they're not really your friends that they're lying 131 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 3: behind your back. Also, this is just like a reminder, 132 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 3: let's see receipts before you just believe hearsay. 133 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 1: Yes, although, in Opie's defense, many people coming up to 134 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: you and being like this happened. 135 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 2: This up and this happened. 136 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a version of it is not It's 137 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: definitely not Opie's fault in any way. But I feel like, 138 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 3: if if something seems suspicious, then may be maybe just 139 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 3: get evidence. 140 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: Yes, it's it's best for you if you're in that 141 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: scenario to do that. 142 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, oh, like then what is the tattoo 143 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 3: in my butt? If you saw the photos there we go. 144 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: Great, great one, there we go. I cannot possibly come 145 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: back from this and still talk to them, right, you shouldn't. 146 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: This basically nukes my group of friends. But how can 147 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: I ever even look at them again? 148 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: Also? 149 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: I need closure with Josh? Can I call him? Should 150 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: I call him? Should I unblock him on Facebook and 151 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: message him? 152 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 3: What do I do? And there's an update? Honestly, but 153 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 3: this is such an easy one. It's so easy thing. Yeah, 154 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: it's those are not your friends, yep. Or if they 155 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 3: are your friends, they shouldn't be because their morals are 156 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 3: not aligned with yours. To break up with the friend group? 157 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 3: And then I think, yeah, I reach out to Josh 158 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 3: and say, hey, I don't expect anything from you now, 159 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 3: but I just want to know I found out that 160 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 3: my friends were lying. I'm so sorry I hurt you. 161 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: Well, riddle me this. 162 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: You you reach out to Josh, and Josh is like 163 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: ifing hate you, you believed a lies? Da da da 164 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: da da da, But you really want the relationship? Do 165 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: you still try to pursue the relationship and make them 166 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: make them see the reason? 167 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 3: I mean, like as much as just saying the truth. 168 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 3: But I think if you don't deserve his attention or company, 169 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 3: you know, like it's up to him. 170 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: It's it's kind of a weird scenario though, because, like I, 171 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: I do feel that while Op did not do. 172 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: Well actually actually actually I don't know. 173 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: If Op asked for other friends to come forward or 174 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: if they just volunteered, So we don't know if she 175 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: did her her own diligence. Right, it seems like they 176 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 1: all were collaborating on this lie together. Oh, they absolutely were, 177 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: five or six friends cooborated the story, yeah, and told 178 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: so it's like it's it is just a unfortunate thing. 179 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: I think if I was Josh and this happened to me, 180 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: If this happened in this situation to me and I 181 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: was Josh, I would probably appreciate an apology. I might 182 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,479 Speaker 1: not go I probably wouldn't go back to that relationship, 183 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: but I would appreciate the apology and an olive branch. 184 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: And I think like OP can do something like I 185 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: just found out that it always a lie. I am 186 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: so sorry for what I put you through. I know 187 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: you probably don't want to see me at all, but 188 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: if you ever want to talk about things or need 189 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: an enclosure or just friendship, I'm there, but take all 190 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: the time you need or feel free to. 191 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 3: Tell me to FAF. 192 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: I always just hate these stories because they're just victims 193 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: of circumstance. 194 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, yeah, like Op's not in the wrong, 195 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 3: Josh is not in the wrong. It's just a crappy, 196 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 3: crappy situation. 197 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: Great point. 198 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: Well, ladies and gentlemen, guess what we know whether or 199 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: not Opie reached out because there's enough. 200 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: Up day let go. 201 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,599 Speaker 1: So, even though everyone seemed to think it was a 202 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: terrible idea, I sent Josh an email on Friday. Did 203 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: you ask the people who also told you about the 204 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: photo and lie to you? 205 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 2: Probably? Reddit? 206 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 3: Come on, uh read it. Reddit is so vindictive, They're like, 207 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 3: probably just dine in a hole. Yeah, destroy yourself in 208 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 3: front of Josh, because that's what you deserve. 209 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: Why don't you, instead of using your fingers to type 210 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: an email, just use your fingers to dig your own 211 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: grave and stay there. 212 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 3: Exactly. 213 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, red it read it is it'd be like that. 214 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 2: That's true. But we have the email. Josh. 215 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: I don't know if you are still connected to anyone 216 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: on Facebook, but if you are, you probably already know 217 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 1: why I'm sending this, and I know it is totally 218 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: unfair and selfish to contact you, but I cannot imagine 219 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: going through the rest of my life without apologizing. Great start, 220 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: So before I say a bunch of embarrassing things, more 221 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: than anything, I want to say, I am sorry. 222 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: I did not trust you. 223 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: I am sorry I let other people decide our relationship. 224 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: I am sorry for what I put you through. But 225 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: I figured this might be my only chance to say this. 226 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: So here comes the really lame, embarrassing stuff. I spent 227 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: the past day thinking about the past year. Where would 228 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: I be if I had believed you? What my life 229 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: would be like? Would we be engaged, would we be married? 230 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm not over you. I want to try again. I'm 231 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: not asking you to marry me, but if you ever 232 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: find yourself thirsty, I would love to buy you a 233 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: beverage of your choice. Honestly, great choice of words is 234 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you again. I miss everything 235 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: about our relationship. I miss you getting annoyed when I 236 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: stole your French fies. I miss fighting with you over money. 237 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: I miss making you breakfast. I miss watching the office 238 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: with you over and over and over. 239 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: I miss you. 240 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: My information is still the same. I would not blame 241 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: you if you ignored and deleted this. Just know that 242 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: I know, and I am really sorry. 243 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 3: I think ww email it takes like basically all the blame. 244 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 3: I honestly maybe would put more context where it's just 245 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: I just just was revealed to me that my whole 246 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 3: friend group basically corroborated a lie about you. Yeah. Yes, 247 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 3: I feel like I would give a little bit more 248 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 3: context on that. She's like, yeah, he's assuming that he knows, 249 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 3: which he maybe. Uh, I don't know, but I would 250 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 3: give more context on that because I don't don't. I 251 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 3: don't think we should assume he knows. 252 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think he does, but yeah, but 253 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: best best not to assume. It makes an ass out 254 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: of him. So I sent it and tried to take 255 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: my mind off of it. Just writing it and sending 256 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: it was extremely cathartic. I spent Saturday morning sitting around 257 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: watching old movies when somebody rang my doorbell, assuming it 258 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: was Amazon, I ignored it and waited for the delivery 259 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: driver to leave so I could sneak out and grab 260 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: the package. I was in my robe, but after a 261 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: minute or two, I walked over to the door and 262 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: looked through the hole it was Josh with a boom box. Yeah, 263 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: I'll take you back. Obviously, my heart leapt. 264 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: Into my throat and opened up to be ready. 265 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: No, I'm just kidding, it's too early, wad. I had 266 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: been compulsively checking my phone for a response, but I 267 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: was not expecting something like that. Everything in my house, 268 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: including me, was pretty disheveled. I creaked the door, smiled, 269 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: said hi, and told him that I would get dressed 270 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: really quickly. What a terrible interaction. So I ran around 271 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: my place, throwing crap into corners, pulled my hair back, 272 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: found something to wear, and went back to the door. 273 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 2: I'm just saying. 274 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 3: I'm just saying, Tom's extra horny this morning. 275 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 2: Your girlfriend's only been gone for two days. 276 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god. I did like candles myself, by the way, 277 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: because yeah, he was doing a little self care, you know, 278 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: me and Drake lighting candles. Dude with that schmiet. Too impressive, 279 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: too impressive. Not I never saw the photo. 280 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 2: Oh, dude, you should see it. You should see it. 281 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: Man. Anyways, funds a not fun, Drakes Wiener. We're gonna 282 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: get back to this Wiener, Josh said, I'm here for 283 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: that beverage. 284 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 3: I'm gonna slurp you up. 285 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 2: Oh God. 286 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: I only had OJ and water, which was also pretty embarrassing, 287 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: but Josh stuck around anyways. 288 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: He didn't ask many questions. Really. 289 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: I started to talk about the nudy photo incident, but 290 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: he said he didn't really care to talk about it. 291 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: We both know all the details now, so that at 292 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: least I think he does know that it was the friends. 293 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 3: Which, yeah, well, he always knew he was innocent, yes, 294 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 3: but it's like now she knows. 295 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 2: Yes. 296 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: The conversation eventually grew a bit aimless, and we were 297 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: just talking like old times. It was wonderful. He asked 298 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: if I was hungry. I wasn't really, but of course 299 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: I said I was. We went to a nearby burger 300 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: place that we used to go to all the time. 301 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: He did ask whether or not I had dated Alex. 302 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: He didn't seem to be upset by my answer, because 303 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: she did date him a little bit. I asked him 304 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: if he had dated anyone. He said he had a 305 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: six month relationship in the introim, she sounded great, but 306 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: I didn't pry. When we got back to my place, 307 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: Josh asked what I was doing for the rest of 308 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: the day. 309 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: I don't have plans. This is cute. This is cute. 310 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 3: We spent the rest of the day together and then 311 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 3: the night. Oh oh, they're going straight into it. 312 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: It's totally stupid to move that fast, but I am 313 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: not going to spend much time worrying about it. I'm 314 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: feeling happy. We spent part of Sunday together to then Tuesday, 315 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: than Wednesday. Honestly, yes, it is moving too fast. 316 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: But they were already in a relationship. I think it's okay. 317 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 2: You kind of like pick up where you left off. 318 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like there's there's all this like pent 319 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: up there there's this debt, you know, relationship debt of 320 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: like hey, like i've been missing you. This is after 321 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: all this BS, let's really nick the most of it. Yeah, 322 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: it's fus as much time as possible. I think it's cue. 323 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 3: It's great. 324 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 2: W Josh, W Josh. 325 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: We discussed what we were doing, two single people dating 326 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: each other. Was the consensus exclusive. 327 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: Yes. 328 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: I think the world of him and will always regret 329 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: what happened no matter what, though, I'm extremely happy I 330 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: sent the letter to him. It's interesting to think that 331 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: if he had actually done what everyone accused him of, 332 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: and then I took him back, I would probably have 333 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: trust issues now obviously I. 334 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: Trust him to the core. 335 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: He could tell me the world was flat, and I'd 336 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: have trouble questioning. Just a weird thought that I've been 337 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: having again. So that's the story. We are together again. 338 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: Will it work out? I hope so. No matter what, 339 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: things are better today than they were last week. Wow, 340 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: great story end. That's great. I love a story with 341 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: a happy ending. It feels like Ope and Josh did 342 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: all the right things. However, However, if you remember the 343 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: question of this episode, Oh yeah, the question is should 344 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: you try and help bad friends change their ways? 345 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 2: Oh? 346 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 3: Those friends, I feel like for that that is a distance. 347 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: The answer is no. That for one, it's like. 348 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, you you don't you you cut them out. 349 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 1: Honestly, I was kind of going into this episode thinking like, yeah, 350 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: it's good too. I've had instances in times where it's 351 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: like me and friends have had you know, not even 352 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: anything crazy, but just like, hey you should do this 353 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: like challenging, yeah to some degree. 354 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 3: But this is is such a miscarriage. Yeah, justice, yeah, 355 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 3: and it's with it. It's like the whole friend group 356 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 3: was on board that I'm just like burned the friend 357 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 3: group walk away. 358 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: I'm curious to see if that every every story kind 359 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: of ends with like, hey, like it's not not worth it, 360 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: just walk away from it. 361 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 3: I think it depends on how bad the thing is, 362 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 3: Like if it's like a friend that yells at you 363 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 3: or something, and it was a moment of I think 364 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 3: I think there's there's there's differences, right, there's like and 365 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 3: then we talk about this with cheating too. There's like 366 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 3: a difference between a one night stand, which still bad, 367 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 3: and a affair, which is like months and months of lying. 368 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 3: And I think this is like closer to like a 369 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 3: friend affair where they lied and kept the lie four 370 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 3: months and months to like have this guy Alex date 371 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 3: op and so Alex kept it for months and months. 372 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 3: So I think the whole friend group is trash for 373 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 3: that reason. It wasn't an instance of bad judgment. It 374 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 3: was like a lifestyle. 375 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, one d percent agree, I will give for some 376 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: you you always should do due diligence if you're an 377 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,479 Speaker 1: Ope's position, one hundred percent. 378 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: But literally it was Alex plus five or six friends. 379 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, when your whole friend group corroborates a story, it's 380 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 3: hard to not believe them. 381 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, Like I mean, obviously now with 382 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: this podcast and our discussions, I would always ask for evidence. 383 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: But like if if if I hadn't have like read 384 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: that story and gone through this thought experiment, I don't 385 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: know if I I would have, I feel like that 386 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: would have. 387 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 2: Been the due diligence. Yeah. 388 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, if like everyone in this house said like this 389 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 3: person did something, yes, like. 390 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 2: You, I would believe it. 391 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: I would, like I trust and have a great friendship 392 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: with everyone in this house. I'm like, I trust you, 393 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: assume op he did? Had trust in those friends friends 394 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: friends since high school. Yeah, like a decade of friendship. 395 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: So there you go. 396 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 2: But shall we get into this next story? Let's do it? 397 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 3: Am I the a hole for getting mad and my 398 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 3: friends for having spicy sleep beside me while I was asleep. 399 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 2: I was pretty bad. I mean, if you don't wake up, 400 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 2: what's the harm? Have you ever done this? Sam? 401 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 3: Of course I lived in the same room with Christian 402 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 3: for like four years. Literally forgot about that. 403 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 2: Wow, unreliable source over here. Of course we both did. 404 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 2: Are you bious? Anyway? 405 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 3: My friends and I pe by female. We're all on 406 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 3: a getaway to the mountains and had rented a house 407 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 3: four our stay. After a long day, we returned back 408 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 3: to the house, relaxed, had our dinner, and divided all 409 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 3: the rooms amongst ourselves. I was sharing a room with 410 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,719 Speaker 3: my friend twenty five female Nancy. All goes well. We 411 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 3: turned the lights off and I'm asleep. Before I know it, 412 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 3: I was so tired. In the middle of the night, 413 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 3: I am awakened by an earth quick. 414 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: Oh no or so an earthquake reported in Poundtown, USA, 415 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: off the Richter scale. 416 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: In college, I was in a punk bed. 417 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 3: I remember getting just woken up in the middle of 418 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 3: the night. God, it's so fast status cone. But I 419 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 3: just I just am like, all right, man, dude, what 420 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 3: else can you do upstairs? I just gotta go to sleep. 421 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 3: I don't know, this is just like part of living 422 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 3: in them like a Mormon Sohn. Anyway, the bed is 423 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 3: moving and peculiar noises seem to be coming from behind me. 424 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 3: I turn around and lo and behold, my very two 425 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 3: naked friends are going at it right beside me. 426 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 2: In the same bed. Is super crazy. 427 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, have the decency to accident, just be at least 428 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 3: the different. 429 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: Go to the couch or like just like just away 430 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: from the bed, that's bathroom, shower. 431 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 2: I don't know. 432 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think standing up, there's so many 433 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 3: I feel the most courteous thing is if you're living 434 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 3: in the same room as a person, go to the bathroom. Yes, 435 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 3: that's the most courteous thing. If yeah, if anything. And 436 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 3: also definitely like no giant movements, I mean true, like. 437 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 2: I mean you just you just shouldn't ultimately sure, sure. 438 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, well but what about reality though? Has anyone ever 439 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: lived in a triple in college? 440 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 2: Like it? 441 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,239 Speaker 1: Like that is when I lived with thirty people that 442 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: actually didn't happen. 443 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 2: But I think that's crazy. I didn't. Here's the reason why. 444 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: I think because one I was only there for three months, 445 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: and two I think there were so many people that 446 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone was. 447 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: Like like that's that's an audience. 448 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: That is that is that is a studio audience right there, 449 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: Oh Jerry Seinfeld studio audience. 450 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean this is also like very different. If 451 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 3: you don't you can't just go at it like that's insane. 452 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 4: I do have questions for you, Sam after this story. 453 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 2: Like stay around till the end. 454 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 4: Well, like, okay, did you and like your roommate agree 455 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 4: on this or did you guys just let it happen 456 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 4: and then you figured out. 457 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 3: I mean like most of the time I was asleep, 458 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 3: but it's like, I mean you had like a girlfriend 459 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 3: for a while and I was just asleep, And then 460 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 3: if I wasn't, I would. 461 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 2: Wait, would you get up in the moment? 462 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 3: I mean, like it's I think you're imagic. It's not 463 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 3: like it's more of like a like a cuddle. But 464 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, something's going on here. 465 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: Okay. 466 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 3: It's like it's not like you're seeing people fully naked. 467 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 3: It's like they're cuddling, but there's a little bit more 468 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 3: like I can't see hands. 469 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 2: It's not an of scene. No, it's not. It's not. 470 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 3: It's not like like these people are fully going at it. 471 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 3: That's different. 472 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: Hey, Sam's golden rule, just don't go fully at it. 473 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: I think the roster. 474 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, I'm not. I think there's a 475 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 3: little bit too much. I literally jumped out of the bed. 476 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 3: They tried to cover up as fast as they could, 477 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 3: but I had already seen things I'll never forget. I 478 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 3: was seeing red lull. It triggered a crappy memory from childhood. 479 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 3: I all know where I had been in a very 480 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 3: similar situation with my parents trauma. I yelled at them 481 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 3: straight up, started insulting both of them, and I said 482 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 3: some pretty mean stuff. I then dashed out of the 483 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 3: room and spent the night on the couch in the cold. 484 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 3: The next morning, my other friend, who found me on 485 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 3: the couch, asked me about what happened and that she 486 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 3: heard me yelling last night. I told her the whole story, 487 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 3: and for some reason she found it funny. When everyone 488 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 3: else found out what happened, they started laughing and making 489 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 3: which I didn't mind since it lightened the mood a 490 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 3: little bit. Nancy the guy Rick soon came out of 491 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 3: the room as well. Everyone told me to just forget 492 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 3: about it and enjoy the rest of the trip, but 493 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 3: Nancy told me that I was way too rude for 494 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,959 Speaker 3: something so silly. Rick didn't say much. He looked kind 495 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 3: of embarrassed of the whole thing, which, yeah, it's it 496 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 3: is embarrassing. Yeah. I told Nancy that they could have 497 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 3: woke me up and asked me to leave. They were horny, 498 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 3: and that I had every right to be mad because 499 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 3: you don't start banging on a bed where someone is 500 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 3: literally sleeping. Yeah, in the same bed. Ikey, Yeah, it's 501 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 3: this is this is on you, Nancy. Yeah. Nancy said 502 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 3: that I was overreacting and it was not that deep. 503 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 3: Sounded like it was pretty deep. Oh God. I was 504 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 3: annoyed and pissed and told her to stay away from 505 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 3: me the rest of the trip since we were all 506 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 3: there to enjoy. Now that we're back, Nancy refuses to 507 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 3: talk to me and is adamant in saying that I 508 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 3: was the one who was at fault and being a 509 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 3: pain in the butt in general. She's calling me a urgent, 510 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: which I am, and claiming that I'm just jealous that 511 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 3: she is more desirable than me. That's not cool. She 512 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 3: said all this to my face in private, so no 513 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 3: one in the group knows. Everyone in the friend group 514 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 3: thinks I should just let it go and reconcile with 515 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 3: Nancy and Rick, But Nancy keeps putting all the blame 516 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 3: on me, and it's getting on. 517 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 2: My nerve now. 518 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 3: So am I the a hole? There is an update? 519 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 3: There is an update, But you like you should never. 520 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 4: Are your friends of Virgin, no matter how true it 521 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 4: might be, seemed to. 522 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 3: Be I I think, all right here, so golden rules talk, 523 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 3: Golden rules of spicy sleep? 524 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: Whoa gold spicy with friends present? 525 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 3: With friends present? All right? 526 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 2: One, if you don't know them, well off it can't 527 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 2: do it? Or actually, right, well, use of friendship? How 528 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 2: many years of friendship? Like ooh, at least one. 529 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 3: I think it's more like are you living in the 530 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 3: same room and how old are you? I think it's 531 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 3: more like are you living in the same room. I 532 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 3: don't know, it's like. 533 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if you live in the same room, it's yeah. 534 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 3: But I think here are the things that they did wrong. 535 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 3: What they did wrong? Is they it was in the 536 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 3: same bed. That's gross that that you should not do. No, 537 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 3: that's a little bit too too far. But also like 538 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 3: I think the other thing is they like they're putting 539 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 3: blame on op where it's like they were the ones 540 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 3: that totally transgressed boundaries like that. That's just that's it 541 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 3: is not cool to to do that to another person. 542 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: If I walk up to Riley and slap him in 543 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: the face for no reason, I can't be mad. 544 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 2: If he slaps him. 545 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 3: Back twice, yeah, And it's like it must be consensual, 546 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 3: like you kind of have to have like an agreement. 547 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 2: Basically. 548 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're saying, if you have sex beside me once, 549 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 4: I can have sex bes you twice. 550 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 2: That's what you said. 551 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: If I was saying, I was using John's famous analogy 552 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: to illustrate the point of like, because Nancy and Rick 553 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: were the ones that did the wrong thing, they can't 554 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: be mad that Opie quote unquote overreacted. You gotta know that, 555 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: like you did the wrong thing something, you might get 556 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: some blowback. 557 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 2: Like that's that's what happens. 558 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 3: If Riley and I shared a bunk bed for a year, Yes, 559 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 3: I would expect and Riley had a girlfriend, I would 560 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 3: expect that something would be going on while I was 561 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 3: sleeping at some point. If he's having his girlfriend stay 562 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 3: over all the time. 563 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 2: Do you get top or bottom? I had bottom when 564 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 2: I was in college. I like the bottom one power bottom. Nice. Yeah, 565 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 2: So would you be mad? No, I would. I would 566 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 2: expect to have are all friend, I would expect it. 567 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be upset if you had a girlfriend having 568 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 4: sex in the book, though, you would be upset. 569 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 2: Oh, Sam, let me sleep. 570 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a deep sleeper. 571 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 2: I like, but what if what if? 572 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: Okay, you both have a girl and then you there's 573 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: like a an even exchange like Okay, sometimes we're doing it, 574 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: sometimes they're doing it, but you know it's like part 575 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: of the. 576 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 3: Which is which like honestly, which is kind of what 577 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 3: happens in college where it's just like I mean, like 578 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 3: you're not I feel like it's you're you're definitely not 579 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 3: going like crazy or anything. 580 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: It's just it's it's just like subtle movements. I feel 581 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: like many people in college have experienced. 582 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, like all like all the time. I mean, if 583 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 3: you haven't lived in a triple with a bunch of 584 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 3: like people guys or girls, yeah, I feel like maybe 585 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 3: it feels weird, but I don't know, like if it 586 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 3: happened to me so many times, just desensitized. But Lydia Whittaker, 587 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 3: when it comes to roommates, you need to communicate. So 588 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 3: it's like it's it's it's really you know what, that's 589 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 3: really just what people are comfortable with. So yeah, but 590 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 3: there is an update. Oh there is an update. 591 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 2: Well let's see it. Update. 592 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 3: Someone asked me to update, So here you go. I 593 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 3: don't think they'll let me update on this sub so 594 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 3: I'll just put it here for anyone who's interested. Turns out, 595 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 3: Nancy and Rick, we're using me to Oh oh, this 596 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 3: makes them even more of the dick. Turns out, Nancy 597 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 3: and Rick, we're using me to fulfill some weird, spicy 598 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 3: sleep fantasy. And the whole group was in on it. No, 599 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 3: they were already in the wrong. Holy dude, this makes 600 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 3: it so much worse. Yeah, this is crazy. They all 601 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 3: knew that Rick and Nancy were planning on doing something 602 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 3: like this, and they both did it with me, particularly 603 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 3: because I'm waiting for marriage to have and am still 604 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 3: a virgin. That is evil, bro, that is so bad evil. 605 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 3: I've been an inside joke in the friend group for 606 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 3: god knows who for how long, and I had no 607 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 3: idea they thought of me like that. Oh, they think 608 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 3: just because I'm waiting for marriage, I'm a loser who 609 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 3: can't get anybody to sleep with me, as if I'm 610 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 3: not a sane adult who can make her own choices 611 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 3: regarding her own damn body. 612 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: Dump Allsy's friends. This is awful. Are you kidding me? 613 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: This is horrendous. 614 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 3: Two people in the group had done this exact same 615 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 3: thing with another girl, but that girl had laughed it off, 616 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 3: so they saw nothing wrong with it. They just thought 617 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 3: it would be funny to prank me like that. A 618 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 3: guy in the same group told me all this privately 619 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 3: after I shared the link of the original post in 620 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 3: the group chat. He said that he would have told 621 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 3: me on the trip itself, but he got pressured into 622 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 3: staying quiet because it will ruin the fun I'm truly disgusted. 623 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 3: Rick did apologize, but I haven't heard from Nancy. The 624 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 3: others who were laughing said they didn't think it would 625 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 3: be a big deal and wouldn't have participated if they 626 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 3: knew it would make me uncomfortable. They don't know that 627 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 3: I know about all the jokes they make on me 628 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 3: behind my back, and all the apologies came only after 629 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 3: I shared the post and made them read what the 630 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,959 Speaker 3: comments were saying. I've decided to ghost them all together. 631 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 3: I'd rather have no friends than associate myself with a 632 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 3: bunch of judgmental idiots who act like sixteen year olds. 633 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 3: I also wanted to clarify that my childhood memory I 634 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 3: had mentioned wasn't abusive. My parents were doing it beside me, 635 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 3: thinking I was asleep. Oh my god, hook up from 636 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 3: the noise they were making the room was dark. I 637 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 3: didn't see anything except their silhouettes, and they never realized 638 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 3: that I was awake from God. Oh, thank you to 639 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 3: everyone who showed their support gave advice. 640 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 2: Bro Opie has been so traumatized. 641 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 3: That is disgusting. 642 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 2: Dude, that is like heinous. 643 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 3: Also, the whole friend group being in on their kink 644 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 3: is crazy. 645 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 2: No, leave the friend group. Whack. 646 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: Okay, so back to the question again, It's like, do 647 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: you try to change bad friends? 648 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 3: It's like, yes, well, it's like the whole friend group. 649 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 3: Maybe that one person that came forward you could be. 650 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 2: You mean no, right, he said yes, he said do 651 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 2: you try to change friends? Yeah? You do? You try to? 652 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 2: Oh no, oh. 653 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 3: Change friends isn't like change friend groups? 654 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 2: No? 655 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: No, as in, do you try to like make them 656 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: see the error of their ways? 657 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 2: No, I think that's a nukemb and run and run. Yeah, 658 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 2: maybe that one guy. 659 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: But also but also he was pressured into like not 660 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: saying any. 661 00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 3: Anything, which like weird, Yeah, such a bad friend group 662 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,239 Speaker 3: this cause is yeah, it's not it's not it's not 663 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 3: a kink. It is a I mean it's not consensual. 664 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 3: It's non consensual. And it's like they're you're you're including 665 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 3: someone in a sexual act that is non consensual. Yeah, 666 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,720 Speaker 3: which and it and it's like also from the sounds 667 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 3: of it's not like they were trying to be subtle 668 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 3: or something or trying to like like they were literally 669 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 3: their intention was to be loud and. 670 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 2: Include and have oh P witness it. 671 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 3: Bro. 672 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, whack