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Speaker 1: Lance is joining us here today fresh off a long weekend.
Speaker 1: Hull Lance.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was, although I've got to say the wrestling
Speaker 7: fans in El Paso, Texas are great old school wrestling
Speaker 7: fans and they were fantastic three nights in a row.
Speaker 1: Are you are you allowed to tell us whether or
Speaker 1: not you were the agent for that AJ Francis match?
Speaker 3: I was not.
Speaker 1: Who's responsible for that?
Speaker 7: I'm not sure?
Speaker 1: Okay, you gotta find out because I want to put
Speaker 1: him over. That was the best finish, Actually, that was
Speaker 1: the second best finish of the weekend. It was. It
Speaker 1: was my favorite finish of the weekend. But the actual
Speaker 1: best finish was that Nigel McGinnis iron Man match where
Speaker 1: they managed to get a fall at zero seconds. It
Speaker 1: was the most I mean, I can't even believe how
Speaker 1: perfectly they did three falls in ninety seconds, with the
Speaker 1: last one being literally exactly at the buzzer. It was.
Speaker 1: It was astonishing. So I've never seen a better time
Speaker 1: to finish in my life.
Speaker 7: But far as a fun finish, my most.
Speaker 1: The best finish of the weekend, my favorite, my personal
Speaker 1: favorite finish, was the finish of that AJ Francis yet.
Speaker 7: I don't know for sure, but if I had to guess,
Speaker 7: that probably came from Creative and Tommy Dreamer because that
Speaker 7: has the feel of Tommy Dreamer all over it. Well again,
Speaker 7: I don't know, it could have been.
Speaker 1: Deserves an award for that finish, I would say. So
Speaker 1: there you go, and you guys taped on Saturday. I
Speaker 1: guess we don't do spoil but if you're a fan
Speaker 1: of matches, we've seen a lot over the last couple
Speaker 1: of months. Have I got some shows for you? Right?
Speaker 7: We taped four weeks of television, which we'll cover five
Speaker 7: because we got a little bit extra two ways. We
Speaker 7: have a show on Christmas Day, so I'm assuming that'll
Speaker 7: be a partially highlights and so forth, but at least
Speaker 7: one big new match, much like we did on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: So what we've heard about AMC is probably going live
Speaker 1: every every three weeks or so. You have you got
Speaker 1: any more information? Do they tell you anything when you went
Speaker 1: down there.
Speaker 7: I didn't get anything pinned down other than it won't
Speaker 7: be every week, but I suspect long term it'll greatly
Speaker 7: depend on if the tape shows do as well as
Speaker 7: the live shows, and if they do, then there won't
Speaker 7: be a panic to go live every week. But if
Speaker 7: the live shows do a lot better, then I would
Speaker 7: imagine that would be the direction they want to go.
Speaker 1: Well historically, as much as people like to think otherwise,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter.
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, you need to go live enough that
Speaker 7: the fans sort of get the impression that it's a
Speaker 7: live show. And then once they sort of have that
Speaker 7: feeling that they're live shows, you can actually have quite
Speaker 7: a few of them taped and nobody even notices.
Speaker 1: Well that and also, you know, everyone everyone seems to
Speaker 1: think that spoilers make people not watch a show, but really,
Speaker 1: more often than not, when there's a spoiler and people
Speaker 1: are like what, they actually tune in. I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of times.
Speaker 7: When Foley won the title, yeah, a.
Speaker 1: Lot of times, well that was because you know, Tony
Speaker 1: Chivoni told him to go watch the show. But you
Speaker 1: know a lot of times, even nowadays, it's like they'll
Speaker 1: they'll tape a smack down and it turns out there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a title change or whatever, and then they
Speaker 1: end up getting a better number than when they did
Speaker 1: the live show. So there's this idea that's always been
Speaker 1: there that live is more exciting and more people are
Speaker 1: going to tune in when it's live. But that's never
Speaker 1: actually really hand out, so we'll see that happens.
Speaker 7: I think having the occasional live is a real benefit
Speaker 7: because it allows you to do the occasional true surprise. Sure,
Speaker 7: you know, like that was where when like Dolf Ziggler
Speaker 7: debuted and when Santana debuted and we had those surprises,
Speaker 7: we had to do them on pay per view because
Speaker 7: those were the only live shows we had. But now
Speaker 7: you can throw a few of those out on impact
Speaker 7: because some of the shows are going to be live
Speaker 7: on AMZ starting January fifteenth, new time slot nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: Yes, very good, Lance, all right, the office will be happy.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they will be. Now, what I'm not happy
Speaker 1: about is NXT there tonight. And so far we've got
Speaker 1: four things announced and this is like, we got an
Speaker 1: open challenge for Blake of Neuroe's NXT Women's North American title.
Speaker 1: We have Jordan Grace versus Kilanie, Jordan Hank and Tank
Speaker 1: return and Shiloh Hill debuts. So really we have one
Speaker 1: match that we actually know. We have a mystery match,
Speaker 1: and we have a return and a debut. This is
Speaker 1: coming off their last pl and I can't say I'm
Speaker 1: blown away by the lineup for this show. Here they
Speaker 1: don't even mention, you know, the man and the woman
Speaker 1: who won Iron Survivor Challenge. I would presume they'd be
Speaker 1: on the show. I don't know why you can't just
Speaker 1: advertise that, but pretty nothing happened in lineup. And then
Speaker 1: for Winters coming on Wednesday, it's a good lineup. The
Speaker 1: three matches, we have Samoa, Joe Verzetti, Kingston, which should
Speaker 1: be really good. We got the finals of the women's
Speaker 1: tag title tournaments, so we will have new women's tag
Speaker 1: team champions tomorrow on Dynamite, Will Nightingale and Harley Cameron
Speaker 1: versus Tony and Mina. And then we have Hangman and
Speaker 1: Swerve versus Shebata and Hobbes and presumably and this is
Speaker 1: this always. I'm just not a fan of this. We
Speaker 1: have no Classic matches announced for Wednesday or this weekend
Speaker 1: or for Collision, because I guess we have to see,
Speaker 1: well who's healthy anyway, My not my promotion.
Speaker 7: Though, at least as a general rule, Continental Classic matches
Speaker 7: are good and well received. So as long as they
Speaker 7: know there's some of those on the show, I suppose
Speaker 7: it'll help a little bit.
Speaker 1: Well, we actually don't know.
Speaker 7: That, but we presumed that we assume that class, but.
Speaker 1: We don't know if there aren't.
Speaker 7: Enough people healthy to even have matches.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, we've already got we've already got of
Speaker 1: all people. Darby Allen out of the tournament because he
Speaker 1: got hurt, and we're we're three weeks in and we
Speaker 1: can't even announce matches because we have to find out
Speaker 1: who's not hurt. I just think there has to be
Speaker 1: a way to tone this down a little bit so
Speaker 1: we're not constantly having to see who's hurt and who's
Speaker 1: not hurt so that we can book our show. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think you have to get hurt to have
Speaker 1: a great match. In fact, I know you don't because
Speaker 1: historically you don't have to.
Speaker 7: People have done it, people have.
Speaker 1: Done it quite successfully. But well, this is where we
Speaker 1: are right now, So we'll find out when we find
Speaker 1: out if there's going to be any Continent Classic matches.
Speaker 1: All right, Max, what's going on over there?
Speaker 6: Brother?
Speaker 7: He's mad? He wants this Continental Classic.
Speaker 1: Matches what's see. What's the upset about with this show?
Speaker 7: I don't know. He's with his bad leg. He's been
Speaker 7: more restless than usual.
Speaker 3: Geez.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we had an appearance by Mark Shapiro
Speaker 1: on the UBS Global Media and Communications Conference and he
Speaker 1: was asked about the future availability of archive we content
Speaker 1: in addition to NXT premium live events, which, honestly, at
Speaker 1: this point, if they lose NXT Premium live events, I'm
Speaker 1: alright with that. I'm very upset with this company right now.
Speaker 1: But here's what he says. First off, if you've been
Speaker 1: on Peacock lately, I don't know how many of you
Speaker 1: guys go up there regularly, but not all of the content,
Speaker 1: but a lot of the content, mostly the historical content.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the ples, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: the NXT shows, but a lot of the content now,
Speaker 1: says twenty one days remaining, so it's gonna be history
Speaker 1: here soon. But he says they are working on a
Speaker 1: non exclusive deal. Expect to have something to announce in
Speaker 1: the first quarter of twenty twenty six. The deal with
Speaker 1: Peacock to carry most ww archive content expires at the
Speaker 1: end of the year. Regarding nxtpls. They haven't gotten to
Speaker 1: market yet. Shapiro said there is no rush to do so,
Speaker 1: as they want to be both deliberate and thoughtful about
Speaker 1: the process. I wish they would be deliberate and thoughtful
Speaker 1: with the NXT booking. The deal with Peacock to carry
Speaker 1: nxt plees expires in March of so nxtpls will remain
Speaker 1: on Peacock at least through March. That we know. Shapiro
Speaker 1: City is thrilled that the industrial logic of bringing it
Speaker 1: to IP and blah blah blah blah blah. Let's see,
Speaker 1: he is confident ESPN head Jimmy Petara will get the
Speaker 1: process moving fast of green lighting various cable providers to
Speaker 1: sync with ESPN. So basically, those of you that have
Speaker 1: to pay for this ESPN whatever the heck it's called now,
Speaker 1: not ESPN plus ESPN whatever to watch the pay per
Speaker 1: views if you have certain cable companies, I can't remember
Speaker 1: which ones they are, but you basically get it as
Speaker 1: part of your package. Most do not. But he's saying
Speaker 1: that they're trying to get this green lit for most
Speaker 1: of the cable companies ESPN unlimited. I guess what's called
Speaker 1: right now, so we'll talk more about this after the
Speaker 1: Breakubserver Live.
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Speaker 1: All right, this ESPN thing, so I have it. It's
Speaker 1: on my iPad and Apple TV and such. It's just
Speaker 1: a giant e but it is technically ESPN Unlimited, even
Speaker 1: though the website to get ESPN Unlimited is Plus dot
Speaker 1: espn dot com. It's the old ESPN Plus website, but
Speaker 1: it's not ESPN Plus anyway. The point is right now,
Speaker 1: if you have DirecTV, Fubo TV, Hulu Plus, Live TV Spectrum,
Speaker 1: and Verizon FiOS, if it sounds like somebody is working
Speaker 1: on my roof, it's because someone is working on my roof.
Speaker 1: So let Max know so they can all make noise
Speaker 1: at the same time. DirecTV, Fubo TV, Hulu Plus, Live
Speaker 1: TV Spectrum, and Verizon FiOS. All of those get this
Speaker 1: ESPN Unlimited for free as part of your cable package.
Speaker 1: But if you've got, for example, what are some of
Speaker 1: the others Comcast, does that even still exist? YouTube TV,
Speaker 1: any of these others. I mean, you don't get it.
Speaker 1: So they claim that they're working to have it made
Speaker 1: available on all of those different places, so we shall see.
Speaker 1: I would like to have it available on YouTube TV,
Speaker 1: but not happening yet. Summer third Dynamite for ninety six
Speaker 1: thousand viewers, down slightly point zero nine in eighteen to
Speaker 1: forty nine, down ten percent from the prior week, third
Speaker 1: lowest they've done since October seventh. There was a sporting competition,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, and really not much more to
Speaker 1: say about it than that. Pretty much any show I'm
Speaker 1: talking Dynamite Collision SmackDown XT we don't really get TNA numbers,
Speaker 1: but you cannot compare them to anything before, like the
Speaker 1: beginning of October. If you try to compare them to
Speaker 1: how the show was even doing in September August last year,
Speaker 1: it's now an unfair comparison because of the way that
Speaker 1: these new ratings are the big data plus panel. So
Speaker 1: pretty much you gotta just compare it to what it
Speaker 1: was doing at the beginning of October if you want
Speaker 1: to say whether things are up or down. So that
Speaker 1: is the number, all right. An update on the World
Speaker 1: Tag League. This is pretty much the end of the
Speaker 1: World Tag League Jeremy Finestone speaking of Strong Style. You
Speaker 1: should listen to that podcast if you love Japanese professional wrestling.
Speaker 1: Jeremy knows his stuff. So this is the wrap up
Speaker 1: for this year's World Tag League. Bishi Mon will take
Speaker 1: on Zach Saber Junior and Rio hey Oeu all Wednesday
Speaker 1: in Nagasaki. Gabe Kit and Yodasuji will face the Knockout
Speaker 1: Brothers on Friday and Kagashima for the semi final, and
Speaker 1: the winners of those matches we'll meet in the World
Speaker 1: Tag League Final on Sunday, so it's either gonna be
Speaker 1: well those are the four teams. So it ended up
Speaker 1: with Block A, Shodan yu Ya and Conan Newman ended
Speaker 1: up with eight points there and for the A Block
Speaker 1: Kid and Suji bishamant Evil and Don Falle and the
Speaker 1: Shingo War Dragons all had eight points. And we ended
Speaker 1: up with some matches over the last couple of days
Speaker 1: that have now got everything set up for the finale.
Speaker 1: So once again Wednesday would be late tonight. By the way,
Speaker 1: Zach Saber Junior Nouwa versus Bishuman that's tonight and the
Speaker 1: winners of that will face the winners of Gabe Kit
Speaker 1: and Yodasuji versus the Knockout Brothers. So we'll see what
Speaker 1: ends up winning the World Tag League for those Knockout Brothers,
Speaker 1: but we will know soon enough. So that's the update there.
Speaker 1: John Cena's retirement match coming up on Saturday against Gunther.
Speaker 1: He did a long interview with Tom Renald. He talked
Speaker 1: about a lot of things, including confirming a story I
Speaker 1: had a couple of months ago. That story where he
Speaker 1: was going to be facing AJ Styles. I think it
Speaker 1: was in might have been one of the Saudi Arabia shows.
Speaker 1: I forget where it was, but anyway, he, without telling anybody,
Speaker 1: wrote a special John Cena's Style ring announcement for AJ
Speaker 1: that he had. The ring announcer Reid and AJ didn't
Speaker 1: know about it, and apparently Johnson didn't clue anybody in,
Speaker 1: and for some reason he apologized for it. I don't
Speaker 1: even know why, but he did confirm that that happened,
Speaker 1: and he also announced that he had signed a five
Speaker 1: year ambassador deal with WWE. He said that I was like, please,
Speaker 1: as long as you can do it, I would like
Speaker 1: to be in this family as an employee, as a
Speaker 1: contributing part for as long as I can, but he
Speaker 1: insists he has no plans of ever wrestling again. Physical
Speaker 1: activity one hundred percent. And I very rarely speak at
Speaker 1: absolutes because you never know. I do know in this case.
Speaker 1: This is why I can speak in absolutes. I don't
Speaker 1: want to let people, let the people think that I
Speaker 1: made a promise and then let them down. So he
Speaker 1: actually talked about when Stephanie overheard him rapping on an
Speaker 1: overseas tour which saved his career, which is a true story.
Speaker 2: By the way.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to the second mountain of being an
Speaker 1: ambassador because maybe ambassadorship comes with letting more people know
Speaker 1: to watch this, which was my goal in the first place.
Speaker 1: Maybe mentorship to talent and that I wouldn't have time
Speaker 1: to spend time with where I can sit and be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: are you really how do I get the wrapping moment
Speaker 1: on the bus? Because I want that guy on TV
Speaker 1: or I want that girl on TV. I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to that stuff. So I don't know how to explain
Speaker 1: this because I don't want people to report this incorrectly.
Speaker 1: But this Saturday Night's main event, John Cena's final match. Okay,
Speaker 1: in storyline. In storyline, John Cena said, I don't want
Speaker 1: this show to be all about me. I want this
Speaker 1: show to also be about giving opportunities to some of
Speaker 1: the people in NXT. So there's going to be NXT
Speaker 1: representation on the show. Okay, that's what he said in storyline.
Speaker 1: On television, I can't say like one hundred percent that
Speaker 1: what I'm about to say is true, but I think
Speaker 1: that he kind of sort of actually did book Saturday
Speaker 1: Night's main event. He had. I guess influence would probably
Speaker 1: be the best way to put it. But you know
Speaker 1: the people on the show, you know, Johnson is very like,
Speaker 1: he's very into trying to help the young talent get
Speaker 1: them shots. There was a he showed up at I
Speaker 1: think Tyler Breeze's school did a seminar. Yeah, he was there,
Speaker 1: and then Bailey did a seminar and he showed up
Speaker 1: to Bailey's seminar as well as she.
Speaker 7: Was doing the seminar at Flatbags.
Speaker 1: Are you sure was one? I thought it was two,
Speaker 1: like two days in a row, could be anyway. The
Speaker 1: point is, particularly for the Bailey one, this guy showed up. Okay,
Speaker 1: he stayed there for eight hours. He brought a notebook.
Speaker 1: He watched every single one of the matches. He took
Speaker 1: notes on every single one of the matches, and then
Speaker 1: when the matches were over, he pulled aside every single
Speaker 1: talent to give them personal advice from what he'd seen
Speaker 1: in their matches. He spent the entire day there doing that.
Speaker 1: He's he's been NXT several times. He had X number
Speaker 1: of dates obviously that he fulfilled. He wanted to do
Speaker 1: another date on NXT television, but I guess his dates
Speaker 1: were fulfilled. Uh So, anyway, that's why he did that
Speaker 1: tape thing where he chose the competitors for the whatever
Speaker 1: they call that thing, the matches on this this Iron
Speaker 1: Survivor Challenge. So you know, that was his appearance that
Speaker 1: he wanted to do, and he did have influence on
Speaker 1: all of the matches for Saturday. So it's John Cena
Speaker 1: versus Gunther. It's Cody Rhoades versus Oba Femi. So it's
Speaker 1: the w w E Champion versus the NXT champion because
Speaker 1: Oba Femi beat Ricky Starks this weekend. It's Bailey versus
Speaker 1: soul Ruka, and it's a j and Dragon Lee versus
Speaker 1: Javon and Leon Slater. So this continues, This continues, this,
Speaker 1: this bizarre story of literally every company booking Javon better
Speaker 1: than NXT. So he's in a prominent position facing the
Speaker 1: WE Tag Team Champions on Saturday's main event.
Speaker 7: Because you guys never mention it, there is no Peacock
Speaker 7: in the rest of the world, so apparently it's on
Speaker 7: YouTube for everyone outside of the United States.
Speaker 1: Wow, all right, well there you go. Is he gonna
Speaker 1: watch it on YouTube? Youre watching John Cena's final match.
Speaker 7: I certainly want to see how Leon does.
Speaker 1: Who's winning Johnson and Gunther.
Speaker 7: I'm torn now. I was gonna say Sena for sure,
Speaker 7: but I'm wondering if the I'm gonna make you give
Speaker 7: up gives Sena the moral victory when he doesn't get
Speaker 7: up give up and Gunther has to pin him. And
Speaker 7: then because MS is doing such a big deal of
Speaker 7: with a countdown of him wanting things, I'm wondering if
Speaker 7: MS comes out at the end to make fun of him,
Speaker 7: and John Cena hits him with the AA and pins
Speaker 7: him and everybody thinks that's a win and we go
Speaker 7: home happy.
Speaker 1: I think he's submitting Gunther with the STF.
Speaker 7: I would not submit Gunter. I think pinning Gunther is fine.
Speaker 7: I would not submit gun through well and jumping ahead.
Speaker 7: I loved Gunther's promo.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why. I mean, it's so obvious to me
Speaker 1: that that's to finish, because he beat l A Knight
Speaker 1: with that cravat cross face, and he has vowed on
Speaker 1: every show that he is going to do the one
Speaker 1: thing that John Cena that no one has ever done
Speaker 1: to John Sena has to make him give up.
Speaker 7: Has he never submitted?
Speaker 1: He's never never, never give up? Brother.
Speaker 7: I don't think he's submitted, saying but has he ever
Speaker 7: had that? I don't think he's ever seen was a
Speaker 7: heel early on as a US champion.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever submitted. But if he has,
Speaker 1: they're doing the Andre the Giant here. But anyway, I
Speaker 1: don't think he's giving up in his last match. I
Speaker 1: think he is going to make because Gunther's gimmick is
Speaker 1: that when things get tough, he gives up. She tapped
Speaker 1: out to uh, you know, uh jay Uso, and I
Speaker 1: think there was another one too. Who else did he
Speaker 1: submit to? I think there's somebody else, But anyway, that's
Speaker 1: what I expect. To happen. We'll talk about raw after
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Speaker 1: The glance is right in a sense, he did tap
Speaker 1: out to uh Jericho Ben Wah and Kurt Angle twice,
Speaker 1: but that was before his current gimmick of never give
Speaker 1: up John Cena since two thousand and four. I believe
Speaker 1: Johnsena's never submitted.
Speaker 7: So word life John Cena may have some.
Speaker 1: Word life John Cena. The heel gave up, but this
Speaker 1: current baby face never give up John Cena has never quit.
Speaker 7: Actually, the Kurt Angle ones might have been ruthless aggression
Speaker 7: John Cena.
Speaker 1: Could have been yes, all right, what do you think
Speaker 1: of wrong?
Speaker 7: It was long? I was a big fan of Gunther's promo.
Speaker 1: Actually wasn't that long. It was the shortest one in months.
Speaker 1: It was only two hours and twenty minutes.
Speaker 7: Well, I flew home yesterday, so yesterday was a complete
Speaker 7: wash for me. So I woke up this morning and realized,
Speaker 7: oh crap, I have to watch this show before one pm.
Speaker 7: So I had to try to rush through it. So
Speaker 7: I was a bit impatient.
Speaker 1: Well I did fast forward through a lot of entrances,
Speaker 1: and I think I got the show done in about
Speaker 1: forty five minutes. That was easy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I did hit the a lot.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of entrances here on this show
Speaker 1: and recap packages. So Nobina with Gunther coming down, we
Speaker 1: talked about this. He basically did his promo vowing to
Speaker 1: make him give up the one thing you said. Actually,
Speaker 1: it's very clever. He says, I'm gonna do the one
Speaker 1: thing you said you would never do. So that's how
Speaker 1: they're getting around this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he didn't say he's never done it, he just
Speaker 7: said he won't.
Speaker 1: Well ever since two thousand and four he said, I
Speaker 1: will never give up. So I see how they're doing
Speaker 1: it clever. Then we had Kyrie saying and EO Sky
Speaker 1: fans were super into EO Sky and they traded some
Speaker 1: cradles right out of the gate and then went to work,
Speaker 1: and it was just it was amazing to watch this
Speaker 1: because you know, Vince would never push foreign talent, especially
Speaker 1: if they couldn't speak English. And you know this EO
Speaker 1: she barely speaks English, like legitimately, you know, Oscar pretends
Speaker 1: like she can barely speak English, but she actually speaks
Speaker 1: very good English. EO very much struggles. But man, she
Speaker 1: is so over. She's like I mean, it really depends
Speaker 1: on the show. Like Riha is maybe the most overwoman
Speaker 1: in WWE, but I'm not sure on this show, probably
Speaker 1: was EO so anyway, Crouch just going crazy for her
Speaker 1: and Oscar tried to interfere and Rheo went after her
Speaker 1: and Kyrie tried to stomp and EO yanked her off
Speaker 1: the top hit the moon salt pinder. This was a
Speaker 1: great TV match and the heat was awesome. Then Ria
Speaker 1: and EO are going after the tag team titles. Then
Speaker 1: we had Paul am In meeting with Braun Bronson and
Speaker 1: Logan backstage. Logan has been stewing for a week because
Speaker 1: Ray slapped him and so he wants a match with
Speaker 1: him tonight. And then we add Ramisio on his way
Speaker 1: to the ring for the match with Finn Balor, Logan
Speaker 1: jumped him. He starts beating him down and suddenly the
Speaker 1: mystery hooded Man hit the ring, super kicked Ray, gave
Speaker 1: him the curb stomp, and zoomed out of there. So
Speaker 1: the Mystery Man was on this show twice, and at
Speaker 1: this point, to try to throw people off, there are
Speaker 1: at least two people portraying the Mystery Man. One of
Speaker 1: them was Austin Theory at the pay per view and
Speaker 1: on this show. I don't know if it was a
Speaker 1: different guy in both appearances, or if one of them
Speaker 1: was Theory, and one of them was somebody else, but
Speaker 1: particularly the guy at the end of the show looked
Speaker 1: like he was moving a little different. But anyway, I
Speaker 1: think I think the other guy is Montese Ford, but
Speaker 1: I cannot confirm that.
Speaker 7: But yes, I just noticed that there was some women
Speaker 7: online commenting that one of the Mass men had a
Speaker 7: must mic. I must a much nicer, but I can't
Speaker 7: even say it.
Speaker 1: How about that? Well, now you can try to decide
Speaker 1: which which which man had the better butt, the first
Speaker 1: Mask guy or the second Mass guy. So La Knight's
Speaker 1: music gets he runs down to make the save. This
Speaker 1: sets up La Knight and Logan Paul for the main event,
Speaker 1: and this l A Knight also Holy smokes with this
Speaker 1: guy over and then he got beat down. AJ and
Speaker 1: Dragon levers as the war Raiders. I thought this was
Speaker 1: a very good match and a very good title match.
Speaker 1: They did have a hilariously triple botch which you rarely see,
Speaker 1: which was Dragon trying to lift up Eric actually was
Speaker 1: Ivory tried a bigger guy and he and he slipped
Speaker 1: and fell down. So he just tries to do it
Speaker 1: again and he slips and he falls down. But you know,
Speaker 1: what they say, third times a charm. He goes for
Speaker 1: the third one, but you can just see ivartisides, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ump as hard as I can. I'm just bumping,
Speaker 1: but he jumps too high, and so Dragon loses his
Speaker 1: balance a third time and then just acts like he
Speaker 1: hit the move. So uh, crowd was polite. Got to
Speaker 1: give him that. And then at the end, AJ and
Speaker 1: Eric have a striking battle. AJ gives Ivar a top
Speaker 1: rope Frankensteiner sitting him into Eric. Eric bumps outside, Dragon
Speaker 1: dives onto Eric, Aj hits for him on Ivar gets
Speaker 1: the pin. Very good match. And then the New Day
Speaker 1: who were at ringside, who are now called New Gooday,
Speaker 1: you know you didn't notice that it's actually clever. They're
Speaker 1: there at ringside and they get in the ring and
Speaker 1: they want a shot against Dragon and Aj. But who
Speaker 1: should come out but Jimmy and Jay and they do
Speaker 1: the whole yeating entrance, They do the whole encore and
Speaker 1: then they announce we are back in the tag team division.
Speaker 7: Did they file the paperwork? Remember when you had to
Speaker 7: file paperwork?
Speaker 1: Well, Vince's gone, so I guess you don't have to
Speaker 1: file paperwork. He keeps all that on his phone. But
Speaker 1: they are back in the tag team division and they
Speaker 1: want to go through the New Day to get to
Speaker 1: AJ and Dragon. So I'd say it's good for now
Speaker 1: that Jay and Jimmy are back as a tag team.
Speaker 1: You know, Jay's just like failing repeatedly in that world
Speaker 1: title scene, and it's not his time, So put him
Speaker 1: back here, let him get some tag title wins or whatever,
Speaker 1: break him up, whatever you want to do, but they
Speaker 1: need something different for a while.
Speaker 7: With Jimmy putting over that they're doing it because of
Speaker 7: all the l's Jay took. I'm assuming the split's coming
Speaker 7: sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1: It could be, It could be maybe they can try
Speaker 1: again at WrestleMania, see if they can have a better mansion.
Speaker 1: Last time Stephanie did a promo, I think I finally
Speaker 1: figured out what's going on here. Stephanie is in the
Speaker 1: ring for a promo and Nicky comes out and demands
Speaker 1: a rematch. Before stephan he can respond, Raquel comes down,
Speaker 1: yanks Nicki off the apron lawn, darts her into the post,
Speaker 1: and leaves her laying like a total geek, and then
Speaker 1: she demands a match with Stephanie. So I think what's
Speaker 1: going to happen is whenever the Stephanie Raquel match takes place,
Speaker 1: I think Nicky is going to return and she's going
Speaker 1: to be managing somebody that's going to screw Raquel, because
Speaker 1: I think the idea is Nicky's going to become a manager,
Speaker 1: which I think is probably a much better role for
Speaker 1: her than in ring wrestler. At this point, at a
Speaker 1: Judgment Day promo, Lives like a Raquel, what were you
Speaker 1: doing out there? And Roquel goes, I wanted to shot
Speaker 1: NICKI ruined my other shot, so I had to take
Speaker 1: her out. And Liv goes, well, you didn't say anything,
Speaker 1: and Roquel says I didn't need I didn't think I
Speaker 1: needed to tell you everything, and Liv goes, well you don't.
Speaker 1: Good luck. So it's all awkward and Raquel leaves and
Speaker 1: then Live says well, Roxanne, I'm gonna be in your
Speaker 1: corner tonight, and Roxanne goes, well, that's fine, but why
Speaker 1: and Liv goes, well, Raquel's going for the world title.
Speaker 1: That means we're going for the tag team titles. I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna screw Raquel down the road here, but
Speaker 1: we shall see Roxanne and Lyra. I thought this match
Speaker 1: was fine. I thought the finish was very overcomplicated and
Speaker 1: also just really didn't work out very well. So Live
Speaker 1: jumps up on the apron, Roxanne rakes her eyes, Bailey
Speaker 1: takes out Live, Roxanne takes out Bailey. Live is laying
Speaker 1: on the apron, just laying there dead. So Roxanne shoves
Speaker 1: Lyra into the ropes and I don't know if liv
Speaker 1: playing dead had her eyes closed and wasn't paying attention,
Speaker 1: but she's supposed to kick Lyra, but it was like
Speaker 1: she forgot and so his face is right there. And
Speaker 1: then Live finally remembers that she throws her foot and
Speaker 1: she barely gets her and then uh, rox Sand hits
Speaker 1: pop Rocks for the pin. I didn't like the finish.
Speaker 1: I thought they're wrestling itself was all.
Speaker 7: Right, little rough on the finish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, there's a lesson in this match
Speaker 1: that I want to talk about because when I wrestled Lance,
Speaker 1: I didn't do a lot of dives and I was
Speaker 1: a little guy. Little guys should do dives, but the
Speaker 1: issue was I didn't trust anybody. So the only time
Speaker 1: that I ever did dives was when we would do
Speaker 1: a multi person match, and there was like a bunch
Speaker 1: of guys outside, like big dudes, and I would dive
Speaker 1: off the post on a high cross and they would
Speaker 1: all catch me and then they would all fall down.
Speaker 1: It was preposterous, Okay, the idea that I could take
Speaker 1: out like five grown man the size of Sonny O.
Speaker 1: Mary's like three hundred and forty pounds, Like I'm diving
Speaker 1: onto one thousand pounds of humanity and they all fall down.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous, Okay. It always gotta pop every single time.
Speaker 1: And I was watching this match after watching you know
Speaker 1: that Order for match for example, and all these crazy
Speaker 1: matches you see with will Ospray and Ricochet, all these
Speaker 1: guys doing this crazy stuff. And Neon almost killed himself
Speaker 1: in Arena Mexico this weekend. There's like some crazy thing
Speaker 1: that happens. Lyra goes up top and she hits a
Speaker 1: high cross. She just jumps and does a crossbody, the easiest,
Speaker 1: easiest move you can do, and man, this place went nuts.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't the only time on this show. Somebody
Speaker 1: else did a high cross too, And it's such an easy,
Speaker 1: simple move. It's so easy to catch because you're going sideways.
Speaker 1: And the person just catches you. It's not like that
Speaker 1: knees coming to your face or there are butts coming
Speaker 1: to your face or whatever. And man, this crowd goes
Speaker 1: wild for the high cross. And I'm just watching this thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, at some point this week, somebody is gonna
Speaker 1: do a really really crazy dive and they're gonna put
Speaker 1: their lives in danger, or they're gonna put their opponent's
Speaker 1: life in danger, and it's gonna get the exact same
Speaker 1: reaction that a simple high cross will get in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five. So I think people need to do more
Speaker 1: of those, you know what I mean?
Speaker 7: A traditional high cross body is so one of the
Speaker 7: prettiest things you can do. Yes, and doing simple things
Speaker 7: excellently is better than doing complicated things. Okay, Yes.
Speaker 1: So then the main event was Logan Paul and La
Speaker 1: Night and this match was okay, but you know, Logan
Speaker 1: is now having to do matches where you set it
Speaker 1: up in the afternoon. He's not at the performance center,
Speaker 1: he's not practicing and memorizing, and the matches are still fine,
Speaker 1: but you can see that, like he's still a green worker.
Speaker 1: And La was like calling this whole match, He's like
Speaker 1: yelling spots at him. Was like John Cena match and
Speaker 1: they pulled it off fine, but they had ab outside
Speaker 1: of the end after Braun and Bronson got ejected and
Speaker 1: once again the mystery man shows up. He stomps La
Speaker 1: Knights headed to the table and Logan hits a frog
Speaker 1: splash gets the pin. We have eight minutes left of television.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what could possibly be next?
Speaker 7: I don't think beat him and beat him and beat
Speaker 7: him and beat him.
Speaker 1: All comes out and he cuts a promo about how
Speaker 1: Broun's gonna win the title from Punk at the Raw
Speaker 1: one year anniversary show. Braun then takes the mic and
Speaker 1: does another long promo, which was fine, it was not
Speaker 1: as good as last week. He vows to take out Punk.
Speaker 1: He wants the old Punk to show up, not this happy,
Speaker 1: good guy Punk. He hates that guy. He wants the
Speaker 1: guy who used to be the greatest wrestler whoever laced
Speaker 1: up a pair of boots to be his opponent. And
Speaker 1: he's trying to get over the chant spear one two three,
Speaker 1: but no one's doing it, and so then they cut
Speaker 1: backstage and La is trying to get up off the
Speaker 1: backboard and Braun and Bronson. I'm sorry. Bronson and Logan
Speaker 1: go back up. They go back there, and man, they
Speaker 1: killed this guy like five minutes. They beat him up,
Speaker 1: They beat him up, they beat him up, they beat
Speaker 1: him up, they beat him up some more. They beat
Speaker 1: him security, they beat him up, They take him onto
Speaker 1: a car, He gets the splash off some boxes onto
Speaker 1: the roof of a car. I mean they left this
Speaker 1: guy for dead. My presumption is he's gone and then
Speaker 1: returns to Costa Braun the match with Cmpunk, because I
Speaker 1: don't think Braun's winning that match, but I will say
Speaker 1: the way they did this promo and Paul Hayman and
Speaker 1: the chant and everything, I mean, he's gonna win this
Speaker 1: belt at some point.
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Speaker 1: So barrely, Gunther also submitted a dragonov in an XT.
Speaker 1: That's another one. So he is prone to quitting this
Speaker 1: Gunther Wow, unlike John Cena, who never gives up.
Speaker 7: You know that's to be submitted four times.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the finish. It's just gotta be right. Nope,
Speaker 1: So a little bit more on the mask guy. Everyone
Speaker 1: does think it's Montes, the guy that showed up on
Speaker 1: on a raw And I'll just say this for whatever
Speaker 1: it's worth, which could be a lot, or it could
Speaker 1: be a little. Paul Hayman is a really big fan
Speaker 1: of Montes and he's a really big fan of Austin
Speaker 1: theory as well. And whether that means that theory Montes
Speaker 1: one the other or both end up in the vision,
Speaker 1: that's still to be determined. So just because someone is
Speaker 1: under the mask playing the role doesn't mean they're going
Speaker 1: to be involved in the storyline and be part of
Speaker 1: the vision. But Paul does really like both of those guys,
Speaker 1: and he thinks that they should they're underutilized, and so
Speaker 1: who else They may end up both being in there.
Speaker 7: In theory, it could be two masked men, not one.
Speaker 1: Yes, it could be.
Speaker 2: It could be.
Speaker 1: But what I can tell you is this, neither of
Speaker 1: those mass guys were seth rawlins. In case you were wondering,
Speaker 1: All right, well, we're gonna wrap it up for today. Everybody.
Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed all of the barking and roof banging.
Speaker 1: It should be done by tonight, So Lance and I
Speaker 1: will be back on Friday. And actually Lance and I
Speaker 1: are going to be doing a live Q and A
Speaker 1: at some point here. We got to figure out the time,
Speaker 1: but I want to do something special for our platinum
Speaker 1: subscribers on YouTube. If you're a Platinum subscriber, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be doing at least one monthly live Q and A,
Speaker 1: whether it's Lance and I or Filthy and I or
Speaker 1: just me. But that's gonna be coming up soon, so
Speaker 1: I'll let you guys know as as soon as possible.
Speaker 1: So that's it. Thanks Lance. As always, Callers and listeners
Speaker 1: ever to the studio. We'll talk to you next time
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