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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: Blazarre and Lazarn. Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always

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Speaker 2: by our Bara.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars. Do you doubt

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Speaker 1: them being able to replicate any of what they did? Evan?

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Speaker 1: Can they do it thirteen more times? Twelve more times? Exactly?

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Speaker 1: You know, it's still a young team. There's gonna be

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Speaker 1: some consistency issues, but they haven't shown that kind of

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Speaker 1: level for a few years now, and they've now shown

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Speaker 1: it two weeks in a row. They played the game

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Speaker 1: that they want to play and they won. That's a

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Speaker 1: very encouraging sign for the long Termans Well. Patriots just

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Speaker 1: keep rolling.

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Speaker 2: Alex up three in a row. Uh. Dare I say

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Speaker 2: first place? I whisper at first place.

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Speaker 1: Called the winning street in the AFC East. Uh.

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Speaker 2: The Patriots are rolling and they it is called the

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Speaker 2: winning streak. But as of right now, you know, it

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Speaker 2: is week six of the season. We're all excited, we're

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Speaker 2: all encouraged by the things that we've seen. I think

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Speaker 2: that the people that are getting their flowers this week

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Speaker 2: deserve to get their flowers Mike Rabel, Drake May, Josh

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Speaker 2: McDaniel's doing a great job as well on the offensive

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Speaker 2: side of the ball. We're going to talk all about it.

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Speaker 2: We're going to break down this Saints game. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: talk some big picture things because I think one of

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Speaker 2: the most encouraging things Alex about this entire situation with

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Speaker 2: the Patriots and this winning streak and the fact that

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Speaker 2: they're winning games again and they're performing well and they're

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Speaker 2: four and two, is that we can actually really dive

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Speaker 2: into some of these minutias and talk about not that

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Speaker 2: they're across the board in a place where they're gonna

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Speaker 2: win four games, right where we can actually talk about

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Speaker 2: this like these are the things they need to improve on,

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Speaker 2: because if they do, and we're really going to be

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Speaker 2: able to start talking about playoffs and matchups and seating

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Speaker 2: and all that different type of stuff that we just

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Speaker 2: aren't used to talking about around here the last couple

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Speaker 2: of years. So that's all really exciting. And when we

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Speaker 2: talk about even the negatives or the things that didn't

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Speaker 2: go so well in this game, and the good, the bad,

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Speaker 2: and the stuff that gets you beat, it's not you

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Speaker 2: want to talk about it because it seems worth it,

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Speaker 2: like it seems worth trying to fix these things and

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Speaker 2: worth trying to get through these things and figure out

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Speaker 2: how to make this football team even better than the

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Speaker 2: way that it has performed and the way that this

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Speaker 2: schedule sets up for them. It's really I understand that

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Speaker 2: the Patriots are not necessarily yet in a position to

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Speaker 2: and back to back weeks. I mean, you're looking at

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Speaker 2: six and two if you just take care of business.

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Speaker 2: Now they got to take care of business. But you're

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Speaker 2: looking at six and two if you I just wanted

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Speaker 1: A big picture done that point. It goes back to

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Speaker 1: one of the first things Mike Rabel said when he

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Speaker 1: the program and what will the hallmarks be, and said there,

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Speaker 1: to start. You're gonna be good enough to take advantage

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Speaker 1: of bad football. And I said this back in May

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Speaker 1: when the schedule came out. If they simply take care

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Speaker 1: But like they've followed through on that.

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Speaker 2: Box check box checked. Absolutely, yeah, And that's highly encouraging.

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Speaker 2: And that's a baseline that in this league, and when

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Speaker 2: you eight or nine games and then you start stealing

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Speaker 1: We not to get too far ahead, but like so

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Speaker 1: if if the Bills aren't as good as we thought

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Speaker 1: And I still think it's some of those teams, the Eagles,

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Speaker 2: I think one of the elements of being six weeks

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Speaker 2: what we're used to see. Reilly, Kansas City's offense is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Baltimore's a weird one.

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Speaker 2: But all of the teams that I just mentioned, I

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Speaker 2: probably take many victory laps on the Buffalo Bills. I

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Speaker 2: just saying I still think the teams that we thought

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Speaker 1: I guess where I'm at relatively speaking. Yes, I agree

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Speaker 2: Big of you. I know that was probably hard for

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Speaker 1: Are they as good as they were last year?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but like they have no, I don't

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Speaker 2: they're gonna get Matt Milano back permanently because he's just

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Speaker 2: don't know about that. But at Oliver just came back

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Speaker 2: they're a great team. Baker's playing out of his mind,

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be there. But they're any of

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Speaker 1: I think some of it, I think on Buffalo's side,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not I know, there's the quote going around

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Speaker 1: I'm more than just a football player, and his really shit.

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Speaker 1: a level of complacency in Buffalo that's more about the

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Speaker 2: I would relax on taking victory laps on the Bills.

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Speaker 1: Not a victory lap. The Bills are McDermott, the Bills are.

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Speaker 2: I mean I think people just in general, like, I

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Speaker 2: they're not. They're not one in.

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Speaker 1: Don't you think I'd come on here and say it.

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Speaker 2: even seeing it like from Bill's people like, I'm not

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Speaker 1: Bills fans sound like me. Yeah, I find myself agree

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Speaker 1: I just I've been critical of mcdert. So what people

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Speaker 1: about Sean McDermott, And I just don't think he what

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Speaker 1: I've said this, like, do I somebody called him a

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Speaker 1: sports Somebody asked me the other day do I think

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen can win a Super Bowl? Yes? I can, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I do. Do I think he can win one with McDermott,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. And I think he's getting exposed a

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Speaker 1: not what he was. Chris Jones not playing is still

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Speaker 1: top of that. So I still think those teams are good,

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years, and I think they each

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Speaker 1: because whether it's the Patriots, whether it's and the Colts

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Speaker 1: this isn't to say the Patriots or the Colts or

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Speaker 1: What are the odds they're all the real deal? Very low?

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Speaker 1: day for the quarterback? Was it a bad day for

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Speaker 1: the quarterback? And yeah, I'm not gonna say quarterbacks never

434
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Speaker 1: going to be a focus because it's a National Football League,

435
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Speaker 1: but like we we wouldn't come on here the day

436
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Speaker 1: after Brady game and look, it was a good game

437
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,479
Speaker 1: for Drake maybe you know what complete? Was it? Eighteen

438
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 1: to twenty six, two hundred and sixty yards, a couple

439
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 1: of touchdowns, like had three. We wouldn't have come on

440
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 1: here and been like, well, tom Brady's heading in the

441
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 1: right direction. It's so good they have Tom Brady right,

442
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 1: and it was. We would have started the show as example,

443
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Speaker 1: He's like, we probably would have started a show talking

444
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 1: about key Shan Boody, what a great game he had

445
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: and you know, awesome home coming to him for New Orleans.

446
00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 1: But this is just in the modern NFL, in the

447
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Speaker 1: world we live in. Do you have the quarterback? Is

448
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 1: the quarterback the guy? Is such an important question and

449
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: I do think that's kind of the next level of

450
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 1: the Drake may discourse and I kind of can't wait

451
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Speaker 1: to get there. Is we don't hyper fixate on Drake May,

452
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,439
Speaker 1: and it's not to diminish anything he's doing, but I

453
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Speaker 1: can't wait for the day and you saying that maybe

454
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Speaker 1: that's today, I can't wait for the day that Drake

455
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 1: May played well is not news, right, it's just the standard.

456
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Speaker 1: And I do feel I don't know that we're there yet,

457
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 1: but I do feel like we're kind of getting there.

458
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Speaker 1: And then that's I don't know why I feel like

459
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Speaker 1: I'm saying this, and it sounds like I'm knocking him.

460
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 1: I think it's a terrific thing, right, because thing of like, again,

461
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: think about it, we wouldn't now look if he those

462
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Speaker 1: were five hundred yards. Yeah, we're gonna come on here

463
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Speaker 1: and open about Drake May, obviously, but you know, there

464
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Speaker 1: were some of those games where Brady was kind of fine,

465
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Speaker 1: and he was moving the team up and down the field,

466
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Speaker 1: and he didn't play portally at all, but you know,

467
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: maybe the run game was the big story. The defense

468
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: had a couple turnovers or you know, who knows, and

469
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Speaker 1: we get around. So yeah, and you know, I thought

470
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Speaker 1: Brady played well, and we might you know, pick a

471
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Speaker 1: thing there here too, And it's gonna be cool when

472
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Speaker 1: Drake gets to that point where where we're like not

473
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Speaker 1: doing the thirty minute. Drake may break down after every

474
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: game because I do think we're gonna get there.

475
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Speaker 2: Yeah, We're we're really close to that point.

476
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Speaker 1: And so to your point, some of that too is

477
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: gonna come with all right, Like once teams are daring

478
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Speaker 1: them to run the ball and truly taking away the pass,

479
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, the run game is gonna be the focus.

480
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: So I teams, I'm surprised they're still doing it at

481
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Speaker 1: this point, but you're right, teams can't continue to defend

482
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Speaker 1: the Patriots this way.

483
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Speaker 2: Okay, So just to get more into some more specifics

484
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Speaker 2: about Drake May in the passing game, I think the

485
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Speaker 2: biggest thing that stands out to me from Drake May

486
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: just as an individual play, is that like he doesn't

487
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: make bad instructure decisions anymore. Like when he when I

488
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 2: watch his film and I watch how he reads the

489
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 2: field and how he's seeing coverage and how he's processing

490
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 2: the game, there are one or two and this was

491
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Speaker 2: you know, when you see great quarterbacks, as tends to

492
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 2: be the case, there are one or two plays a

493
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: game now where you say was that really the best

494
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 2: option for where the ball should have gone? If that?

495
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 2: Like in this game, I thought that there was one

496
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: mental error for him the entire game, and that was

497
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 2: the delay of game in the red zone. Like that

498
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 2: was the one time that's not even a post snap

499
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: processing error, that's just a pre snap thing that he

500
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: doesn't make bad decisions anymore in terms of his processing

501
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 2: and the decisions to that.

502
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Speaker 1: You said bad decisions in structure. Yeah, also not making

503
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 1: a bad play worse last year on the bat and look,

504
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: the bad snap was a bad play, the fourth down

505
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: bad snap last year, Drake Nay tries to pick up

506
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: all up throws it. It probably gets tipped and picked off

507
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: right falling on the ball there understanding the plays loss.

508
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: It's a bad situation. Don't make it worse. Like it's

509
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: not just instructure overall, he's making much better decisions.

510
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I know he's credited a lot of this

511
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 2: to the pass protection. They deserve some credit for it

512
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 2: as well. But his ball security in the pocket has

513
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: been tremendously improved. And I just remember the first preseason

514
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 2: game against Washington and he comes out and he gets

515
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 2: stripsacked on the first third down of the game, and

516
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: it looked exactly like his rookie season, Like he'd told

517
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: in the ball a little bit too long. The ball's out,

518
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 2: you know, and vulnerable when he starts to move. Now,

519
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: when you watch him move with the football, he's got

520
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: two hands on the ball, and he's doing some things

521
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 2: in the pocket that are really advanced in terms of

522
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: his ball security. Of like he'll put two hands on

523
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: the ball and he'll like swing his arms through so

524
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 2: when he feels that edge pressure coming from behind him,

525
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: he'll just take the football and it's usually here right

526
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 2: because it's loaded in his right hand, and he like

527
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 2: swings it through to the left hip and sort of

528
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: protects the football as he's sliding or as he's moving

529
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: around in the pocket. We have seen Josh McDaniels and

530
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 2: Ashton Grant drill that with him, going all the way

531
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Speaker 2: back to the spring. They do the same quarterback drills

532
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 2: every single day to start practice. During positional drills of

533
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 2: guys coming around the edge were swatting down at his arm,

534
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 2: which used to be like all the way out here.

535
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 2: Remember all of the elongated throwing motion and all that conversation,

536
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: like now, it's also tight and the ball is so

537
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 2: tight to his body that when he moves in the pocket,

538
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 2: he's not getting strip sacked as much. And some of

539
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: that's timing, some of that's pass protection, but I think

540
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 2: a lot of it too is just his mechanics in

541
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Speaker 2: the pocket, his awareness of pressure, and then his ability

542
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: to protect the football. So last year as a rookie,

543
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 2: he was averaging a turnover worthy play on three point

544
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: five percent of his dropbacks. That's all the way down

545
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 2: to two percent, the very tenth in the league. So

546
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 2: he's a top ten quarterback now in the league in

547
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 2: terms of yeah of turnover worthy plays. A guy that

548
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Speaker 2: we had concerns coming into the year about him turning

549
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 2: the football all over. He's not putting the ball at

550
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: harm's way nearly as often, and that has to go

551
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: to what I was talking about with the processing, but

552
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: also with the ball security in the pocket and the

553
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,959
Speaker 2: mechanics in the pocket as well. I mean, we can

554
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 2: go throw by some of the individual throwers are just

555
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 2: unbelievable in this game, obviously, but I think that those

556
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 2: couple of things are how he has taken the next

557
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 2: step from flashing to being consistent, and like, that's when

558
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: when you're consistent, that's when the efficiency starts to get

559
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 2: driven up. It's you know, we saw the flashes his

560
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: rookie season. Now he's efficiently protecting the football and we're

561
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 2: still seeing the playmaking ability shine. And it's just been

562
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: really fun to see the Other thing that really stood

563
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: out to me on this tape from this game.

564
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: One more thing on Mett and you kind of hit

565
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: on it, But it feels like you talk about the

566
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: growth each week, it's something new and you see it

567
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: in real time. So last week it was all the

568
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: rollouts to the right, right, and he's rolling out to

569
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: the right, he's thrown on, he's making these big plays,

570
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: and that was something new him doing that, not him

571
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: doing that, but him doing that as consistently as he

572
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: did and as well as he did. So talking to

573
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: people that cover the Saints this week, it kind of

574
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 1: sounded like the point of emphasis was don't let May

575
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: outside of the pocket, right, keep him in the pocket,

576
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: don't let him get on those rollouts, which logically that

577
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: would be the book on a quarterback that did what

578
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: Drake made did to the Bills. So what does Drake

579
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: May do stands in the pocket. I thought his ability

580
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: to navigate the pocket, that's the best I've seen him do.

581
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: That was outstanding, and he makes him pay from the pocket.

582
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: So one you see the growth in real time, some

583
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: of those plays where he's moving around the pocket, climbing

584
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: the pocket, like he was in the same situation against

585
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh a month ago and got stripsacked right, and now

586
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: those are going for thirty yard completions. You can see

587
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: the growth happen in real time. You can see we

588
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: can point to something from the first two or three

589
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: weeks and say this needs to be done better, and

590
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: then in the last couple of games you see the

591
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: exact same situation and it's here, it's done correctly. That's

592
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: really cool to see. The other thing that does big picture.

593
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: You hear about this a lot, and I'm sure we'll

594
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: hear it with Drake soon if it hasn't started yet.

595
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: Once these guys get to around twenty starts and I

596
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: think May is at seventeen now eighteen now, although two

597
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: of those he had the one Jets game he got

598
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: knock knocked out of early and then the Bills game

599
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: at the end of last year. Like you start hearing

600
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: the well, once the league has tape on him, it's

601
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: the legue has tape on him. What's gonna happen in

602
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: the league has tape on him. So he's canceling out

603
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: a lot of those things, because again, what's the book

604
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: on Drake may Well? Don't let him roll right? He

605
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: killed the Bills rolling right, keep them in the pocket. Okay, well,

606
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: now he just killed the Saints in the pocket, So

607
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: now where does the book go. Don't let him hit

608
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: you with the short stuff. Well, a lot of the

609
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: most of the the sprays are gone. He's not sailing

610
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: the short stuff, all right, Well, don't let him beat

611
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: you deep. Well, you know, then you're leaving the shorts

612
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: like he's just every time. And this is not unusual,

613
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: but like with a young quarterback, it's kind of process

614
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: of elimination. All right, Well, he's doing this well, so

615
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: we need to test him and see if he can

616
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: beat us this way. Okay, well he just beat us

617
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: this way, so we need to try this other thing

618
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: and see if he can beat us this way. And

619
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: he's just answering test after test after tests. So as

620
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: there's more film about him, he's continuing to kind of

621
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: evolve his game either of all this game or just

622
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: go into the toolbox and pull out tools that he

623
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: hasn't used yet, and it's gonna make it hard for

624
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: teams to kind of get that sophomore slump on them

625
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: and get that you know, I don't know what you

626
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: cout tape bump or whatever on them.

627
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy to just see the playmaking still hold

628
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: strong as the turnover where he plays and decision making improves,

629
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: because normally when you start to be less aggressive and

630
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: stuff like that and less erratic, you don't see as

631
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: many big time throws down the field because it just

632
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: goes hand in hand, right, If you're not taking as

633
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: many chances, you're not gonna have as many high level plays,

634
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: but you're also not gonna have as many low level

635
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: plays either. He's still having all the high level plays

636
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: and he's just eliminating the low level plays, right, which

637
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: is when you know you have something special. The other

638
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: thing that was really encouraging and kind of goes hand

639
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: in hand with my theme here about you know, our

640
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: defense is going to start to adjust and play more

641
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: too high safety and back off this Patriots passing offense

642
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: a little bit. This was the one of the more

643
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: encouraging games I thought in terms of receiver separation down

644
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: the field, Like the last time the Patriots had this

645
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: kind of deep passing game production where guys were actually

646
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: breaking open down the field, I don't know. I honestly

647
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: don't know when the last time that that happened. You know,

648
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: they get the dressed up play with you know, clearly

649
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: a designed a scripted shot play to pop Douglas on

650
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: the opening drive like that that route where he know

651
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: nods to the corner and then breaks on the post.

652
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: He's got five six yards of separation wide. Yeah, I

653
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: mean that is not something that you see from a

654
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: Patriots offense fifty yards down the field very often. Kaishan

655
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 2: Boodie on his second touchdown just shakes the corner and

656
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: gets wide open on a man to man rep. As well.

657
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: Stefan Digs on fourth down, you know, moves the chains

658
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: on a little slant where he's just that's just pitching catch,

659
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: you know, seven on seven in July for Stefan Digs

660
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: and Drake May having all of these different things happen

661
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: on the film in this game, Drake May four for

662
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,239
Speaker 2: five on deep passes, had one taken away because of

663
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: a bogus OPI had another taken away because of a

664
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: bogus OPI has.

665
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: Another taken away because of a non DPI.

666
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 2: Right, So, like, if you add back in his numbers

667
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: alone with four for five, three touchdowns on deep passes

668
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: are good enough. Now imagine if you add back in

669
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirteen yards and another touchdown. Now, maybe

670
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: the booty touchdown doesn't happen because the pop touchdown would

671
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: have happened. But you get my point, yeah, is that

672
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: they they really were able to throw the ball down

673
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: the field. Some of the I tweeted this out last night.

674
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: Some of Drake May's deep passing numbers are just absolutely absurd.

675
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: He is he's late or seventy percent completion percent.

676
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: Actually, he's ten of thirteen on deep throws to start

677
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: the season. Uh that's that's like seventy six percent.

678
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. So next Gen the league outge is like

679
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: forty percent.

680
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: So next Gen goes back to twenty sixteen, and for

681
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: passers with a minimum of five deep pass attempts in

682
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: the season, he has the best completion rate that I

683
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: that in the next Gen era right now on deep

684
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: passes now obviously that could you know, find its level,

685
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: and that could by the end of the season he

686
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: might come back down to earth. But his passer rating

687
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: on deep throws right now is one hundred and fifty seven.

688
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty eight point three is a perfect

689
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: pass rating. So you're saying, so he's essentially perfect on

690
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: the deep ball at this point. And I just was

691
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: highly encouraged, you know, and this is where we can

692
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: kind of talk about Kai Shan Booties performance as well.

693
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: I was just highly encouraged about how open some of

694
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: these receivers were getting because that was not something that

695
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 2: we have seen a lot here in this neck of

696
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: the woods football wise. How long have we been talking

697
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: about separation and a lack thereof of receiver separation and

698
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: do they have enough talent at receiver and they need

699
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 2: number one receiver and maybe they still do need like

700
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: a true number one alpha dog, right like AJ Brown,

701
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 2: you know, or someone like that. But this receiver room

702
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: deserves a ton of credit. They've played some really good football.

703
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: It hasn't always been volume, you know, for everybody, but

704
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: when they get the ball thrown their way, and this

705
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: has kind of been the story of kaishon Booty's season.

706
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: Kaishon Boody's caught in eighteen of the twenty three targets

707
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 2: thrown his way this year. Yeah, that efficiency is off

708
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: the charts. I was just really highly encouraged by how

709
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: open guys were getting. I haven't been able to say

710
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: that in a while. Obviously, we can talk a little

711
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: bit about Boo. Just a great performance by him as well.

712
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was awesome, and just not only is he

713
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: catching a lot of these targets, all five of his

714
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: catches in this game win for first downs. His last

715
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: ten catches have gone for first downs. Going back to

716
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: the Steelers game, sixteen of his eighteen catches have gone

717
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: for first downs. And it's not like they're using him

718
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: on these little dink and dunk third and two, third

719
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: and threes. Fifteen of his eighteen catches this year have

720
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: been for ten or more yards. Of the two that

721
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: are not first downs, Evan one of them was in

722
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: the opener. It's a second and fifteen. He runs the

723
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: rout a yard short of the sticks because the corner

724
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: is sitting on the sticks, gets a fourteen yard game

725
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: on second and fifteen. They pick up the first down

726
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: on the next play, he's moving the chains and he's

727
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: being a tremendous intermediate threat. I think he's like sixth

728
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: in the league in yards per catch. I know he's

729
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: top ten. So to have that high of a first

730
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: down rate on targets, not on catches, on targets, Yeah,

731
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: to have that high of a first down rate on

732
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: targets and still have the yards per catch be that

733
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 1: high is nuts. He is average one first down every

734
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: one point four targets, highest rate in the league among

735
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: receivers with at least twenty targets. The next closest is

736
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill at one point seven. The gap between Kaishawn

737
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: Booty and the next closest receiver in that regard is

738
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: the same as the gap between the second and ninth

739
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: ranked receiver in that regard. We talked about it in

740
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: the summer. They needed somebody to maybe not be and

741
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: they're doing some true vertical stuff with Booty. It's mostly

742
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: been like just outside the red zone and these like

743
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: thirty yard goal balls for touchdowns. He had one of

744
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: those in this game. He had one of the Miami

745
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: game as well. But we talked about their need to

746
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: have a guy that maybe wasn't high volume, but was

747
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 1: high yards per catch and was their first down guy.

748
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: Now I thought it was gonna be Pop Douglas to

749
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: this point that is not beared out, but they needed

750
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: a guy to step up in that role. Kashawan Boody

751
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: is absolutely stepped up in that role.

752
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 2: He's been their best vertical threat on this offense. And

753
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: I think what really stands out to me with him

754
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: is his contested catchability has just been fantastic guy. I mean,

755
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: you saw that on his first touchdown where he wins

756
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 2: at the catch point there on the go route. The

757
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 2: third and eleven played at ice the game is another

758
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: back shoulder fade contested catch. He's caught five of his

759
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: seven contested targets playing on the outside. That's a very

760
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 2: high rate of catch rate for contested targets. It's usually

761
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 2: that's like true. You know, you can call him fifty

762
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 2: to fifty balls for a reason, and he's well over

763
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: fifty percent on those. I think his play strength and

764
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 2: his physicality at the catch point has improved leaps and bounds,

765
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: and then his awareness along the sideline. I mean, I

766
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: can't help but go back to his rookie season in

767
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 2: the first game against Philadelphia where he doesn't get a

768
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 2: foot and bounds.

769
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: I think it was a learning moment.

770
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: I mean, he's been phenomenal in that regard. Two weeks

771
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 2: in a row on Sunday, he catches a little out

772
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 2: and slides down in bounds to make the Saints burn

773
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: a time out. Then he stays in bounds on the

774
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: back shoulder fade. He did the same thing on the

775
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: whole shot against Buffalo, where he stayed you know, got

776
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 2: down immediately to stay in bounds there to keep the

777
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: clock winding. Like these are plays that I've actually asked

778
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: him about afterwards, and he's aware of these situations like

779
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 2: this isn't like by accident, Yeah, Like he's doing this

780
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 2: type of stuff on purpose. That kind of awareness is

781
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: really a testament to him and him being locked in

782
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: and really you know, honing in on his craft, which

783
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily know it was something that was in

784
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: his bag. He's always been very talented, but that was

785
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: the question mark right maturity, you know, being locked in

786
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 2: on and off the field. Like he's had some issues

787
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: there and he was open about it after the game

788
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 2: on Sunday that he's had some issues in those regards

789
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: and now he's just so laser sharp in a lot

790
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: of these situations. So a ton of credit to Kaishan Boody.

791
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: The last thing I wanted to say about the passing offense,

792
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: just because you know, to kind of put a bow

793
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: on all of this. A good stuff for them. The

794
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: pass blocking has been really, really good. Now. Some of

795
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: that is scheme and design, and I do want to

796
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: give Doug Moron and Josh McDaniels their flowers for that.

797
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: They are not allowing teams to just tee off on

798
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,479
Speaker 2: their tackles all that much. They're getting a lot of help,

799
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: a lot of chips, a lot of slides, a lot

800
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: of double teams, a lot of Max Protect, like the

801
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas touchdown is they leave bol tight ends in

802
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: they get double teams kind of across the board, just

803
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: in Max Protect, loaded up type of play. So it's

804
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 2: not all just you know, Morgan, Moses, Will Campbell, these

805
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: guys on islands. But to their credit, when they have

806
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: been on islands, they've held up well. Will Campbell hasn't

807
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: allowed to sack since week one. Yeah, and he's allowed

808
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: some hurries. And there were some hurries in this game.

809
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: And I had some sort of criticisms of his game,

810
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: I would say, coming off this one, especially in the

811
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 2: run game, for basically across the board, which we'll get to,

812
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: but the pass protection by pretty much every metric is

813
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: now trending towards the top of the league. And if

814
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: you told me that that's where they were going to

815
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: be after where they have been the last couple of years,

816
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: especially last year as an offensive line, that's really impressive.

817
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 2: And maybe it's not the best run blocking line. We

818
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: thought it would be better and hasn't been. Maybe it's not.

819
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 2: Maybe it's more of a finesse line and they're really

820
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 2: just built to pass protect. But if they pass protect

821
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: like this, I'll take it. I mean that this is

822
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: exactly why. A huge reason i'd say this is probably

823
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: like Drake May. If you want to hand out the

824
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: credit to the players in terms of the passing game,

825
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: Drake May is probably sixty five percent.

826
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: YEA.

827
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 2: The offensive line, I would say might be even more

828
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 2: of a big deal. In the receivers at this point,

829
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: they've done a really nice job.

830
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: It's been great. It's been great. No blowbys, you know,

831
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: the penalties are minimal, the pressures are minimal. A lot

832
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: tolike in terms of the pass blocking. Uh.

833
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: Moving on to the defense. I did have one good

834
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: thing I thought from the defense in this game, looking

835
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: at some of the numbers and also just the way

836
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 2: the game unfolded.

837
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: We're doing what we're doing, good, the bad, and what

838
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: gets you beat?

839
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, So do you do you have anything else?

840
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 3: No?

841
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: I just I don't know that we introduced it that way,

842
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: so I want to make sure it's that's why we're

843
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: not going offense to offense. That's not where we're going

844
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: past game right to run.

845
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, great, great hosting by me there.

846
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: Uh, wait to get to the reads.

847
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: We definitely got off the rails with talking about the

848
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: rest of the NFL conversation though, that's what threw me off.

849
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: It was an interesting last good thing here, and then

850
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: we'll get to some of the stuff they need to

851
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: work on. I thought the second half defense was good again.

852
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: I thought they made some big plays and key moments

853
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: in the second half, especially here you have the Marcus

854
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: Jones sack on third down. It forces a field goal

855
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 2: they get to stop. Finally on that third down play

856
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: with Christian Gonzales late in the game, Christianelli's forcing the

857
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 2: fumble right Christianelli's forces a fumble. Yep. So if you're

858
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: just looking at it, you know, they they kind of

859
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: settled down again defensesively in the second half. We'll get

860
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: to the first half and we'll get to some of

861
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: the issues with the starts on defense, but overall I

862
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: thought that they once again the game kind of declared

863
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: and they sort of adjusted and were able to figure

864
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: it out.

865
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: I have a big picture take on the defense that

866
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: I guess is kind of the good and the bad.

867
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: It depends how you want to look at. It's glass

868
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: half full of glass half empty. That's a game schematically no,

869
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 1: but like the overall strategy that would have fit right

870
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: in in the Bill Belichick Ben don't break era. Yeah,

871
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: you know, people kept asking why are these there's you know,

872
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 1: what are the corners doing. The receivers are super open.

873
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: I think that was kind of the plan because the

874
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: plays they're open on are all like hitches and quick

875
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: in cuts and things like that. And you know, I

876
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: talked about it last week. Did the way New Orleans

877
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: is built roster wise a little similar to Miami with

878
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: the speed you get beat down the field big on

879
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: the first play, which I don't love the corner blitz

880
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: on the first play the game, especially against that offense.

881
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: But you get beat down the field in the first

882
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: play game. Maybe this helped reinforce it. But that was

883
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: Ben don't break. That was we're going to sit back,

884
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: We're going to allow the short stuff. We're going to

885
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: step up and tackle. They tackled well, only two miss

886
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: tackles in this game. And we're gonna make Spencer Rattler

887
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: be perfect. And de Spencer Ratler's credit like he was.

888
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: He handled that situation better than I thought he would. Yeah,

889
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: like he played pretty well. But you know, as much

890
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: as that defensive ever felt painful in the moment, like

891
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: watching it, it was a little bit of a tough watch,

892
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: I think if you're a Patriots fan, But when you

893
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: go back and look at the big picture, like I

894
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: said this to my my Buddi's like, defense playing horrible.

895
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: This is like, you know, a little bit into the

896
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: game or a little bit in the you know, towards

897
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: the end of the game, I was like, rest, they've

898
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: only allowed one touchdown, right, He was like, no, it

899
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: feels like more right, they only allowed one touchdown. The

900
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 1: Saints are three of nine on third downs. They got

901
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: under the Patriots half of the field five times and

902
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: they came away with nineteen points. Yeah, that's if you're

903
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: an offense. That's not like that's a problem. You're going

904
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: back and that's one of the biggest things you're revisiting.

905
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: So was it perfect defensively?

906
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 4: No?

907
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: And what was odd was so I think there were

908
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: ben don't break on the back end, but they stayed

909
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: aggressive up front, which is you know in the ben

910
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: don't break bill us talking about this all the time

911
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: and incompletion is just as good as a sack, just

912
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: keeping behind the chains, and that's why they wouldn't be

913
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: so aggressive on that pass rush and just moving the

914
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: quarterback off his spot or just bumping him and making

915
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: him throw it away, even if it's not a sack,

916
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: might be worth it. But you had a couple of

917
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 1: times where rushers were running by Spencer Rattler and creating

918
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: lanes for Spencer Ratler that wouldn't have all otherwise been

919
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: there with a more disciplined rush. So you know, there

920
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: was that element of it which I think made a

921
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 1: little more frustrating. But again, five trips to the plus

922
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: side of the field, only one touchdown show for it.

923
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: Three of nine on third downs under three hundred total yards,

924
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: Patriots average more pot yards per play than the Saints

925
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: did outside of the kneel downs at the end of

926
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: the game. If the game playan truly was Ben don't break.

927
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: We don't want to get beat by the speed by

928
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: the way new they're starting free safety either, which might

929
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: have made them, like Jalen Hawkins probably would have been

930
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: a big player in this game be played. That might

931
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: have made them go a little more towards us. We're

932
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: going to play its. If we're gonna sit back on it,

933
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: we're going to force the underneath. We're gonna step up,

934
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: We're gonna tackle. We're gonna make them beat us by

935
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: a million paper cuts. If that was the game plan,

936
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 1: they executed that game plan, and they executed it relatively well.

937
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: If that wasn't the game plan, I'd be a little

938
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: more worried. But I do think that they kind of

939
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: viewed this and bred it to Zach Kor and we've

940
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: seen them be a game plan defense here at times

941
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: early in the year. I think that was a Ben

942
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: don't break game and that's what they did.

943
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I mean, I'm just looking at it

944
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: statistically They played sixty five percent of their downs and

945
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: off coverage in this game on the outside. Yeah, in

946
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: Buffalo it was only forty percent. And they played a

947
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: lot of zone too, right, Yeah, a lot of zone,

948
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 2: seventy percent zone. So like they last week, it was

949
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 2: we came out of the you know on the show,

950
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: and I talked a lot about playing man and challenging

951
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: the Bills and receivers and impressed playing press, and they

952
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: are forty percent man and they were in the receiver's

953
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 2: faces and all that different stuff, and I love that

954
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 2: game plan. This week they definitely went ben don't break.

955
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: You know, sixty five percent off coverage. They average like

956
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: almost seven yards of cushion on the outside to these receivers.

957
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: So whether it was that was the plan going in,

958
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 2: or Chris Olave hit a fifty three yard bomb on

959
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: the first play of the game and they were like,

960
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: all right, I can't imagine. I don't know.

961
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: So I wanted to talk about that, like, I can't

962
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: imagine you throw your entire game plan out over one play.

963
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: I'd have to think they went in with the baseline

964
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: and we're going to play this bend don't break. But

965
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: I wonder if that maybe reinforced it and like, all right,

966
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: we're going to like really live in this instead of

967
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: just like kind of have it as an option.

968
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: So the interesting thing that I think, you know, comes

969
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: out of this game from a defensive standpoint, they are

970
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: not doing well defensively against the pass. Just from an

971
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 2: efficiency standpoint, you know, they're twenty third in drop back EPA,

972
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 2: they're twenty fifth and passer rating allowed if you want

973
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 2: to use passer rating, so they're down near the bottom

974
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 2: of the league as a pass defense. But they're seventh

975
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: in the league in scoring defense. They're giving up twenty

976
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: points a game. So this is as a defense, a

977
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: lot of this has turned into sort of ben don't

978
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: break as a unit all season long. You know, I

979
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: said yesterday on Unfiltered, we kind of were on the

980
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: same wavelength. It reminds me of like the Patricia Bill

981
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 2: defenses right where you know, there's a lot of bend

982
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 2: don't break in there. Every once in a while, they're

983
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: gonna throw an exotic, you know, scheme at the defense

984
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: at the offense, excuse me, that might lead to a

985
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: negative play, whether it's a big sack on third down

986
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: to force a field goal or a turnover or something

987
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: like that. But it's opportunistick with the turnovers. It's exotic

988
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: third down pressure when you get into long you know,

989
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: third down and pass situations. But other than that, they

990
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 2: played a lot of Bend don't break. Now. The one

991
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: thing that I would say that makes me a little

992
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 2: bit annoyed by that, yeah, is you have Christian Zales

993
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: and Carlton Davis and you're playing ben don't break. Right,

994
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: you would think that they.

995
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: Didn't have Christian Zalees for part of the year.

996
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: Sure, but it hasn't really changed all that much.

997
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: Maybe changed in Buffalo. Well, so that's the thing. So

998
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: they never at the beginning of the year, the Carolina game,

999
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 1: they just they could do whatever they want to doors. Yeah,

1000
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: the Bills game is I think, how we want them

1001
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: to play and how we expect them to play, right, Yes,

1002
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: And now you go into this and this is a

1003
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: matchup game. So let's say, mate, what if that was

1004
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: a one off? Would you change that take if that

1005
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: game was a one off? And they just looked at

1006
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: it and said, this is how we have to play

1007
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: the Saints. So we're gonna play them that way and

1008
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: then we'll get back to it. Next week.

1009
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 2: Maybe I just look at this, I'm not rolling that out.

1010
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: I look at their numbers in terms of the passing game. Yeah,

1011
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: and it's not very It doesn't feel very sustainable to

1012
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: be honestly, use passerrating to be twenty fifth in the

1013
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: league and passer rating allowed and only be giving up

1014
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: twenty point zero games. Guys, those two things don't usually

1015
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: go hand in hand.

1016
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: The other thing I would add to that is pat

1017
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: you're talking about like old school passerating, right, yep, so

1018
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: old school passer rating.

1019
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: Or you can go EPA is twenty third and les.

1020
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: So here's the thing with these efficiency things. And I

1021
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: don't know the exact formula for EPA, but like I

1022
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: know the pass rating, so it weighs completion percentage heavily, yep,

1023
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: and it weighs turnover heavily. So even if you're not

1024
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: true ben, don't break. But you're getting beat on a

1025
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: bunch of quick hitters and you're stepping up and making

1026
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: the tackle, it's gonna look efficient. But if it's like

1027
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: this is kind of what Carolina did to them, where

1028
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: they hit a bunch of like four yard passes, and

1029
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,479
Speaker 1: so I think that drags the efficiency down, But that's

1030
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: ultimately good defense if you're stepping up and tackling so

1031
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: and they just they haven't. They should have more interceptions

1032
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: than they do. Like I I feel like.

1033
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: It just kind of breaks my brain a little bit

1034
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 2: from a nerd standpoint of like how could they be

1035
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 2: this bad against the pass statistically? But then you look

1036
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 2: up and the opponent.

1037
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: Only what does tape tell you?

1038
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's one and the same. Like, I

1039
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: don't think they defend pass particularly well right now, especially

1040
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: in the middle of the field. Like I think that

1041
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 2: you saw in this game, it's a lot of inbreaking

1042
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: routes into the middle of the field. The corners are

1043
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 2: playing zone technique, so they're playing outside leverage, they're bailing,

1044
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 2: and then these you know, a Lave and Shaheed are

1045
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 2: cutting into the middle of the field of the defense

1046
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 2: and these linebackers that are dropping underneath are not squeezing

1047
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 2: those windows enough, you know. I think it was really

1048
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 2: kind of like a juxtaposition because they hit the dagger

1049
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: route to Brandon Cooks for twenty one yards earlier in

1050
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 2: the drive, and you just saw you know, Robert splaying

1051
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 2: kind of get manipulated out of the passing window a

1052
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 2: little bit, and then to Splaine's credit, on the third

1053
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 2: down play that they got the stop. It's the same concept.

1054
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 2: They run the same dagger concept, and this time they

1055
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 2: squeeze it a little bit more and it's an incomplete pass,

1056
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: you know. And Ratler started front side and came back

1057
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: to it, So maybe the timing was a little bit

1058
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 2: to do with that as well, But overall I thought

1059
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 2: that that was like a good you know, we talk

1060
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: about Drake May learning and getting better play to play.

1061
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 2: They didn't get beat by it again, but I see

1062
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 2: a lot of open receivers, and I think that when

1063
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: you look at the pressure rate numbers, that also is

1064
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 2: innificate of that, because I do think they're getting pressure

1065
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 2: on the quarterback, but it doesn't feel like it's meaningful

1066
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 2: pressure because I think that there's space to throw the football.

1067
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: So I'll go a couple of things. One, I do

1068
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: think they've had some opportunities to get turnovers that haven't

1069
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: turned into turnovers and that will help. And Two, I

1070
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: part of me and I don't necessarily have anything to

1071
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: base this on other than you know, what our priors were,

1072
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 1: but I do wonder if the Saints game was They're

1073
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: really fast team. We don't have our free safety. We

1074
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: know we can beat up on their defense. If this

1075
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: turns into a little bit of a shootout, let's just

1076
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: not give up big plays. We're gonna play this game

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Speaker 1: is Ben, don't break, and we'll get because that's just

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00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: good coaching, and then we'll get back to what we

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Speaker 1: do to doing what we do moving forward.

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00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: Right, I'm less concerned about because I think they're going

1081
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: to be game plan oriented and it's going to change

1082
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 2: week to week. It just did like it went to

1083
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: can to man in Buffalo and then zone in New Orleans.

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00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: I'm more wondering from a big picture, holistic standpoint, is

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00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: it sustainable to be low efficiency against the pass but

1086
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 2: keep teams out of the end zone?

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Speaker 4: What like?

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00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: Is that well if they can keep keep keeping teams

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00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: out of the end zone, it is like, yeah, if

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00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: you're keeping teams out of the end zone, it is

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00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: that sustainable. So can you be low efficiency against the

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00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: pass and still keep teams out of the end zone?

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00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 1: What was their efficiency against Buffalo?

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00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 2: H Josh Allen was you know average in that game?

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00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 2: So they did they did recover a little bit better.

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Speaker 1: Against So when they play that's to me, that's the

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00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 1: only real data point we have on their defense because

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Speaker 1: they nevins. Also the first three games, Carolina game got

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Speaker 1: out of hand early, and then the Saints game. Well,

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00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: I guess it's I shouldn't say it's the only real

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00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: data point we have on their defense. I think it's

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00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: it's the Bills game or the Saints game. What do

1104
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: you think is more indicative of what their defense is.

1105
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: I almost feel like you have to throw the games

1106
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: without Gonzales out. Yeah, it impacts the way the defense.

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00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 2: It's tough to say because even with gonz like, the

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00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 2: numbers with Gonzalez are not that much better than they

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00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 2: were without him.

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Speaker 1: You just said they were fine in the Bills game.

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00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm telling you, like from like the three

1112
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: game sample versus the three game sample. Okay, I'm not

1113
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 2: like their their defense is not like Gonzalez is not

1114
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: coming into this defense and making this world a difference.

1115
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: But what I'm telling you is that it's not the

1116
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: three games with Gonzalz versus three games without like it is,

1117
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: and it isn't. It's they know Gonzalzo. The first three

1118
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: games that impacted the defense, the Carolina game we did that.

1119
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: We came in the next day and said, like, you

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00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: got to throw a lot of that game out stat

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00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: wise because it was almost all garbage time. Right, So

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00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: it's the Bills game was a real competitive game. They've

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00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: only played two real competitive games with Christian Gonzalez.

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Speaker 2: But it wasn't like the Bills game was perfect, Like

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00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 2: they still.

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Speaker 1: The Bills game wasn't perfect, but was it like was

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00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: good good enough? You said they were fun going on,

1128
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: you said it.

1129
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 2: Was good enough, but this game was good enough, Like

1130
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 2: they only give up nineteen points.

1131
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: We just said, efficiency wise, it wasn't good enough.

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00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: But that's my.

1133
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: You're claiming the d the underlying number of efficient. This

1134
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: is not me knocking the analytics. Is just we're having conversation,

1135
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: Like the underlying numbers say, even though the points are

1136
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: low in the Sands game, it's maybe not sustainable. What

1137
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 1: did the underlying numbers and the Bills games say, because

1138
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: they played very differently the same thing. Like okay, well

1139
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: you had said it was fine, it.

1140
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 2: Is fine, but like I'm telling you from like a

1141
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: big picture standpoint, from all of looking at all of it,

1142
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 2: like they right now are not a good pass defense.

1143
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: And I thought once they got Gonzalez back, Now they

1144
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: got him back this week, he played this week. Technically,

1145
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 2: who knows where his hamstring is? You know it's yeah,

1146
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 2: he's been on and off the injury report. You know,

1147
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 2: he's questionable coming into this game, Like, who knows really

1148
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 2: where he is physically. But the point that I'm trying

1149
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 2: to get at is that normally when you see defenses

1150
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: that are not good at defense the past, it's a

1151
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 2: house of cards. Like you hold on in the red zone,

1152
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 2: you hold on in the scoring zone in certain weeks,

1153
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 2: and other weeks you don't like when they play Tampa

1154
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks, when they even like I

1155
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 2: don't think Pennox has been great. But if when they

1156
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,479
Speaker 2: play Atlanta and they have Bijon and they have Drake

1157
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 2: London and they have real weapons that are coming at you,

1158
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 2: like I just I don't know if his defense is

1159
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: a paper tiger right now, and I hope it's not,

1160
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 2: but it just it feels a little bit like a

1161
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 2: house of cards to me, in the sense that the

1162
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 2: numbers from an efficiency standpoint, like this is why I'm

1163
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 2: not trying to get into a whole analytics thing with you.

1164
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 2: But like this is why things like points and yards

1165
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 2: like lack context, right, because like points are something that

1166
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: is very very situational, Like did they produce in the

1167
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: red zone where they playing a good enough offense to

1168
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 2: sustain offense? Like all these different elements of a game

1169
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:53,919
Speaker 2: in the flow of a game.

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Speaker 1: What does the tape tell you?

1171
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 2: It's the same thing. I don't know why you keep

1172
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: asking me that it's like the same thing, like to

1173
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 2: take like they do not defend the pass particularly, well,

1174
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: that's what everybody's telling you. The coverage is not very

1175
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 2: good at thet Is that going to Are they going

1176
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: to be able to hold teams to twenty points a

1177
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 2: game playing pass defense?

1178
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: I thought outside of Kincaid, which is not insignificant, but

1179
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: I thought outside of Kinkaid, their pass defense was fine

1180
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: against the Bills. You know, they weren't the twenty fourteen

1181
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: Patriots with Reeves and Browner, But I thought the pass

1182
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: defense was fine. I didn't think it was a negative

1183
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: of anything was a positive outside of Kincaid. And they

1184
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: do have to get better at covering tight ends, like

1185
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: that's my big worry is tight ends and to an

1186
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: extent running It's it's the non receivers killing them is

1187
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: what worries mean. You mentioned the Falcons Kyle Pitts and

1188
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: Bijon Robinson is a great example of this. Even the

1189
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: Browns in a couple of weeks with David Joku and

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00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: Quinn Show Judkins getting it going a little bit. So

1191
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, was I did not think they covered the

1192
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: pass as well against the Saints. I kind of think

1193
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: that was part of the game plan, and so I'm

1194
00:56:55,719 --> 00:57:00,439
Speaker 1: just interested to I feel like with Gonzales, I feel

1195
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: like I haven't seen enough to make a definitive decision

1196
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 1: of where I'm at with their pass defense.

1197
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 2: That's fair. It definitely needs some more sample, I will

1198
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 2: say Gonzales, I just if they lose their coverages hasn't

1199
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 2: been particularly good, and a lot of it, I would say,

1200
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 2: is the linebackers in safeties, which is not going to

1201
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 2: fix itself overnight. Like this is the personnel that they have.

1202
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 2: I don't think Gonzales, Like I'm not trying to pick

1203
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 2: on Gonzalez or pick on even Carlton Davis, like, I

1204
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 2: don't think it's them that is like the holistic problem.

1205
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 2: It's just that Gonzales has not come back and turn

1206
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 2: this into a dominant pass defense. Like maybe we thought

1207
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: it was going to be with those two corners because

1208
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 2: I think that their linebackers and safeties are not good.

1209
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: So that that's fair too. Like I think that the

1210
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: coverage on receivers has been better, but they still need

1211
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: to get better cut the tight ends thing is what

1212
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: worries me the most.

1213
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna throw to a quick break. When

1214
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 2: we come back, we want to talk about the run

1215
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: game on offense and some of the struggles. There have

1216
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Speaker 2: a few more things to get to and then your

1217
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Speaker 2: calls and emails. We'll see you guys in a second.

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Speaker 2: do want to talk a little bit about the run game.

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are asking questions about

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01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,960
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Speaker 2: It's kind of a different thing every play. This game,

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Speaker 2: blocking had been so so in the past five weeks,

1290
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 2: and the running backs, along with average blocking, were just

1291
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 2: really bogging them down this game. They only had nineteen

1292
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 2: total yards before contact on the ground, good nineteen. Rimandre Stevenson,

1293
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 2: for all of his struggles, had more yards after contact

1294
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 2: than he did total rushing yards in this game. So

1295
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 2: they did not block the very well. They had six

1296
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 2: negative runs or Last week we talked a little bit

1297
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 2: about how at least they were getting positive yards on

1298
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 2: every single play. Was not the case this week. They

1299
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 2: went backwards multiple times in this game. So what's your

1300
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 2: So my big picture opinion on the run game is

1301
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: that I do think there is a little bit of

1302
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 2: a chicken or the egg thing going on here with

1303
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 2: how defenses are defending the Patriots. I still see on

1304
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 2: film that defenses are extremely aggressive against the Patriots under

1305
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 2: center in particular, you know, run blitzink, stunting, slanting, gap penetrations,

1306
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 2: like different things that teams use to blow up runs.

1307
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 2: I'd still feel like teams are doing that a lot

1308
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 2: against the Patriots. So does that continue? Does the pass

1309
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 2: game success cause them to drop back? That's sort of

1310
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 2: the chest match of it, if you will. But they

1311
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 2: also just have issues in the run game, and they're

1312
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 2: not a particularly good run offense. Like I'm not saying

1313
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 2: it's all that, it's definitely a little bit.

1314
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's a lot of things. You hope

1315
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: the past game success opens it up a little bit.

1316
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: That's part of it. I do wonder if it becomes

1317
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: mental at a point, like it felt like improving the

1318
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: run game was the point of emphasis for them last week,

1319
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: which is why it was so disappointing that because I

1320
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: said this last week like the run game hadn't been bad,

1321
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: it just hadn't been good. Yeah, it's kind of like

1322
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: borderline functional, and this week it was bad. So you know,

1323
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: where do you go from there? We do the deep

1324
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: diyes on this show, But isn't there an element Evan?

1325
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: And we talked about this earlier in the year, right

1326
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: when the defense was having trouble and they had all

1327
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: those mistackles, and remember we were talking about Roberts Plane

1328
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: and it was like, yeah, you know, there's not really

1329
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: a schematic answer. He just needs to play better.

1330
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1331
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: I do think there's an element of that with the

1332
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: run game for the Backs and the line that we've

1333
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: seen Ramandree Stevenson play better than this. We've seen all

1334
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: be it not at this level. We've seen Travon Henderson

1335
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: play better than this. We've seen you know, Mike and

1336
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: Win who I thought had a rough game in this one,

1337
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: We've seen him play better than this. We've seen again

1338
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: at another level. But just looking at the you know,

1339
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: the tape and all that, Will Campbell, Jared Wilson, who

1340
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: have had their moments, but be better than this run blocking.

1341
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: And I just do think there is some natural internal

1342
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: room for improvement. And I go back just Blaine s.

1343
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: Blaine did it. He had more mistackles than made tackles

1344
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: for the first two weeks. Something happened. He clicked the

1345
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: switch and the coaching staff and with like I don't

1346
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: know who, No, he figured it out right and he's

1347
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: been really good since. And can you get the same

1348
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: kind of bounce back from the run game? Where I

1349
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: just think there's guys right now who have proven they

1350
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: can play better football, and do they get back to

1351
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: their level and if they do that, it's going to

1352
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: open up a lot.

1353
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: So we've talked a lot about the running backs last week.

1354
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: They only forced two misstackles the entire game. This week. Yeah,

1355
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 2: at the running back position. Now, when you're getting contacted

1356
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 2: behind or at the line of scrimmage or to break tackles,

1357
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 2: right if.

1358
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: Able talked about this on Monday, that there's an element

1359
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: of maybe the ball security thing is weighing a little more.

1360
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 2: I think that's certainly weighing with Remandre. I think with

1361
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 2: Travon Henderson, what you're still seeing is just like a

1362
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,439
Speaker 2: lack of pacing or patience on his runs, and he's

1363
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 2: just kind of running full speed into the line of

1364
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 2: scrimmage and not really letting the blocking develop and missing

1365
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 2: cutback lanes as a result, Like I think that there's

1366
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 2: more meat on the bone in some of these runs

1367
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 2: by the back. Certainly, I thought blocking wise, I look

1368
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 2: at really two positions on the interior. This was not

1369
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 2: a great game for Garrett Bradberry. I thought that he

1370
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 2: struggled with a bigger front for New Orleans, especially in

1371
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 2: the middle. I saw him after the game. It was cool.

1372
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 2: Old friend Godshaw had a nice game. Brian Breeze is

1373
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 2: a really good player. Bullard really gave them a lot

1374
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 2: of problems inside. I also did not think this was

1375
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 2: a particularly good game for Jared Wilson, but that really

1376
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 2: struggled in this game on Sunday, so Campbell had some

1377
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 2: misses too. I thought, really the only guy that I

1378
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 2: felt like was okay in the run game was Morgan Moses.

1379
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 2: I thought the other four guys had all a hand

1380
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 2: in the run game. Being a struggle. I don't know,

1381
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 2: Like to your point, I don't know if there's a

1382
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 2: fix for it other than just reps and time on

1383
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 2: task and hoping that some of the defenses maybe adjust

1384
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 2: and back off the line of scrimmage a little bit

1385
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 2: now that Drake may has arrived and like just let's

1386
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 2: see where this goes throughout the course of the season.

1387
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 2: Now if you want to get a little bit more

1388
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 2: extreme and start making some personnel changes or tweaks to

1389
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 2: the personnel. Oh one last thing. Yeah, their lack of

1390
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 2: like a true battering ram full back I think is

1391
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 2: hurting them as well, especially short yardage. No disrespect whatsoever

1392
01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 2: for Jack Westover, but he's just not He's not devil,

1393
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 2: and he's not Yakub Johnson.

1394
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: Would be a sneaky trade deadline edition for me.

1395
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 2: They don't They don't have like a true uh brock

1396
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 2: Lampy the shind them up and you know, mu him

1397
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 2: down fullbacks right like, they don't have one of those

1398
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 2: guys right now. I think that that's hurting them as well.

1399
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 2: This is not an overly physical group right now up front.

1400
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 2: So I was a little bit nitpicky on Campbell in

1401
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 2: this game. I think The main reason why is because

1402
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 2: like he's the one guy that like he's the one

1403
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 2: road grader right, Like he's the one guy up front

1404
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 2: that I really feel like eats glass and is tough

1405
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 2: and his physical and wants to set tone and all

1406
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. It's a rookie, it's a lot

1407
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 2: task of him early on in his career, but like

1408
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 2: he kind of needs to bring that element because I

1409
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 2: don't think that the other guys on the line are

1410
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 2: going to bring that element. Left guard is a position

1411
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 2: I'm wondering about. Uh, I've been testing you about this

1412
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 2: off the air. I see Ben Brown sitting there on

1413
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 2: the bench. I thought Ben Brown blocked with a lot

1414
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 2: of physicality and effort against Carolina in the game that

1415
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 2: he started for an injured Jared Wilson. I am not

1416
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 2: out on Jared Wilson. I think Jared Wilson has a

1417
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 2: bright future. I just think that bright future is at center,

1418
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 2: and he's just a little small and lacks the play

1419
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,919
Speaker 2: strength at guard, especially against some of these bigger defensive

1420
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 2: lines to be effective in the run game. It's a

1421
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 2: little bit twenty twenty one. Ted Carris to me, like

1422
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 2: Mike on Winne was the better player probably had a

1423
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 2: higher ceiling, but he was a right guard, not a

1424
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 2: left guard, and he was young, And like, is there

1425
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 2: a world where we see Ben Brown at some point

1426
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 2: at left guard, not to you know, rule out Jared

1427
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 2: Wilson for the rest of his career, Like no one's

1428
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 2: burying the kid. I just wonder if maybe they would

1429
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,560
Speaker 2: be more physical and a little bit better as a

1430
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 2: run blocking unit if Ben Brown was in there instead

1431
01:08:59,320 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 2: of Jared Wilson.

1432
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 1: I also wonder, you know, I didn't think Garrett Bradbury

1433
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: had his best game in this game either. Do you

1434
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: make that switch and you just move Jared Wilson over

1435
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 1: now mid season switched to center for rookies not going

1436
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: to be easy, hard and so maybe you have to

1437
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: do it in stages and maybe it's Ben Brown in

1438
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: and then you start working Jared whatever have you. But

1439
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, I think Ben Brown had a good showing

1440
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: in that last game, so that the coaches have something

1441
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: to go off of. I don't think it's imminent, because

1442
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: I do think they want to develop these young players.

1443
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 1: They look, I did this rant or this thing at

1444
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: the beginning of the year. They have what six seven

1445
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: rookies and starting positions right. They want to develop the kids.

1446
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 1: That's clearly a point of emphasis for them, and there

1447
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 1: is something to be said for having play through it.

1448
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: But I do think if it gets to a point

1449
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: where the run game's non functional, especially once teams start

1450
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: respecting the past more and kind of daring the Patriots

1451
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: to run, you have to talk about making a change.

1452
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 1: But the other element of it is past protection has

1453
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: been so good. Do you want to start poking around

1454
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: and making changes or do you just say, look, we've

1455
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,599
Speaker 1: got Drake May protected, he's slinging it. We can figure

1456
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: out way to compensate for a weak link in the

1457
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: run game.

1458
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 2: So I don't love moving Jared Wilson this year to

1459
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 2: center because to your point about the pass protection, this

1460
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 2: battery of Drake May and Garrett Bradberry is working on

1461
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 2: the whole for the most part. I wouldn't mess with

1462
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,759
Speaker 2: Drake May, And to me, changing his center is messing

1463
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 2: with him, Like, just let him be. The center's working,

1464
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 2: the protection is working. Let's not throw that off. I

1465
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 2: just if we're talking personnel, and then we'll talk about

1466
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 2: the running backs here in a second. But if we're

1467
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 2: talking personnel on the offensive line, Wilson out Brown in

1468
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 2: is really the only move to me that they can

1469
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 2: really make, and maybe that would help their run blocking.

1470
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 2: It might make them worse than pass protection slightly, yeah,

1471
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 2: but maybe it would help them in their run game.

1472
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 2: I don't think that this is design poorly. I don't

1473
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 2: think there's tails. I don't think that there's tendencies like

1474
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 2: they're right now. You know, first down run rate, they're

1475
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 2: right smack dab in the middle of the pack. There's

1476
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 2: sixteenth in the league. And first down run rate. They

1477
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 2: do not run on second and long very often. That's

1478
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 2: always one of those other tells that's not a very

1479
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:18,440
Speaker 2: good one. They they've been fine from a play calling perspective.

1480
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,600
Speaker 2: The other thing about the run game that frustrated me

1481
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 2: out of this game, ALPS was the gold go situation. Like, yeah,

1482
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 2: I'm okay, if you're not a dominant run game, like

1483
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 2: if this isn't you know, Buffalo, Baltimore, Detroit level run game, fine, likes,

1484
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 2: that's fine, but when you get down inside the two

1485
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 2: yard line, you have to be able to run the

1486
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 2: ball in, like you have to be able to do

1487
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,560
Speaker 2: that first run play. They just run lead again. This

1488
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,560
Speaker 2: is where the full back thing comes into play, like

1489
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 2: they don't really have a full back that's just going

1490
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 2: to kind of battering Ram through the line and just

1491
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 2: clear out of space for the running back. But also

1492
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 2: Jared Wilson and Will Campbell are on a double team

1493
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 2: at the point of attack, and they don't make they

1494
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 2: don't get any ground, they don't you displace it all

1495
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 2: and so it's just stuffed. The next run, they try

1496
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 2: to run power on the goal line, which is a

1497
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 2: tough one in my opinion, but they try to run

1498
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 2: power and Buller just shoots the gap when Jared Wilson

1499
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 2: polls Will Campbell's supposed to cut him. But it's a

1500
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 2: tough block, right, He's got to get him down. It's

1501
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 2: a tough block. He misses the block there. So you

1502
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:25,640
Speaker 2: just would like to see if they're not going to

1503
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 2: be good. They're not going to be an explosive game,

1504
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 2: run game. They have to be good. Situation.

1505
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: You got to get that yard, yeah, you just you

1506
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: have to get that yard. And to your probably again,

1507
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 1: do you start putting We kind of toyed with this

1508
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 1: idea back in the spring on the goal and you're

1509
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: not doing this full field like on the goal line

1510
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: you start using like Kyros Tonga as a fullback, just

1511
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 1: somebody who can move bodies. It's not a bad idea

1512
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 1: and something like that, you know, I you got to

1513
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 1: be able to get that one yard.

1514
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, or you know, maybe you put the eligible tackle

1515
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 2: in the backfield instead of putting the eligible tackle eligib

1516
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 2: tackle excuse me, on the line of scrimmage, right, and

1517
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 2: like you use a bigger body there. The last thing

1518
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 2: on the run game, of course, I'm sure we're gonna

1519
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 2: get a lot of trade deadline questions and stuff like

1520
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 2: that coming up the running back position. You know, I've

1521
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 2: read off the stats last week. It's all of them

1522
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 2: kind of stayed the same. You know, they're they're down

1523
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,560
Speaker 2: near the bottom of the league and yards after contact

1524
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,600
Speaker 2: avoided tackle rate. They don't break any tackles. So, just

1525
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 2: to put it in Layman's terns, they don't break any tackles.

1526
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 2: They don't break any tackles. They don't allow runs to develop,

1527
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 2: they don't set up blocks, they don't cut back. The

1528
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 2: running backs are a problem. The running backs have not

1529
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 2: been very good. This really is a tough one too,

1530
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 2: because I don't know if that's going to get organically better.

1531
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 2: The blocking I could see getting better with more reps

1532
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 2: and more time on task. I think the running backs

1533
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 2: are kind of in a bad situation right now. Do

1534
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 2: you make a trade? You know, do do you try

1535
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 2: to pull off a trade? I'm not necessarily talking about

1536
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 2: like Derrick Henry or like a you know, a huge

1537
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 2: splash trade, but do you make a trade to get

1538
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 2: another veteran running back in here that that could maybe help?

1539
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: Well, sorry, it's Distracted's Mike alstot highlights on the TV.

1540
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 1: Get yeah, can can we get.

1541
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 2: Him in here?

1542
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 1: I I don't think if they're not gonna use Carel Jennings,

1543
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 1: they need another guy. I mean, you just need three

1544
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: running backs to get through a season. Yeah, So in

1545
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: that case, yes, you know, further up the depth chart,

1546
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 1: there's people talking about Breece Hall, Like, if it's Breece

1547
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: Hall for a third or fourth, I would do that.

1548
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: I just don't think the Jets are doing that in

1549
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 1: the division, even though he's a rental. I wouldn't be

1550
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: opposed to it. I wouldn't be opposed to it, certainly.

1551
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 1: And that's not the one thing I will say. I've

1552
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:43,440
Speaker 1: seen people throughout trades like, well, if you trade Remandre

1553
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: and a pick. You're not trading Remandre Stevenson one and rimondres.

1554
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: There's a ton of credit for this. He's not running

1555
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 1: the ball well right now. He's doing a lot of

1556
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 1: other little things very well, and that's why he's staying

1557
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:57,719
Speaker 1: on the field. He's pass blocking.

1558
01:14:57,880 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 8: Well.

1559
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 1: You look at some of the blocks setting downfield. Mike

1560
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 1: Rabel's talked about this. Following the ball on the Pop

1561
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,679
Speaker 1: Douglas touchdown, he gets down the field right and sets

1562
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: that block yep. And it kind of reminds me of

1563
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 1: Pop Douglas where Pop Douglas was struggling with ball in

1564
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 1: his hands, ended up in a reduced role, found other

1565
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 1: ways to contribute, and it comes back around and look,

1566
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: he's rewarding. He has a big game. Should have had

1567
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 1: over one hundred yards in this game if not for

1568
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:25,600
Speaker 1: the officials. So does you know does that happen with

1569
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: Randre Stevenson because he's keeping himself on the field right

1570
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: now by doing all these other little things. One, you

1571
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 1: just need the depth they need to add a running back.

1572
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: They do not need to replace running backs. And two,

1573
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 1: Romondre Stevenson's doing other things. Well, I'm not trading Ramondre

1574
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: Stevenson for running back, Like it's you're moving a pick,

1575
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: you're getting a back. That's what this is. So but

1576
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 1: I would look at it.

1577
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they have to look at it just

1578
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 2: from a depth standpoint, like if you're not at the

1579
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 2: offense and you just need a body, I do think

1580
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 2: they could maybe do a little bit better than just

1581
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 2: a body. But it just I said this yesterday, like

1582
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 2: it shocks me, Like Rico Dwell just went off for

1583
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 2: like two hundred yards in Carolina, Like it's not like

1584
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 2: you need, you know, prime Derrick Henry to come in

1585
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 2: here and save you, Like if you just have somebody

1586
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:15,799
Speaker 2: that is just playing at a decent level at that position,

1587
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 2: you know. I know it's kind of funny for me

1588
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 2: to come at it and be like they need a

1589
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 2: running back because I'm usually the anti running back guy,

1590
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 2: but they need a league average running back. Yeah, I

1591
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 2: think Remandre is probably a lead average running back at

1592
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,919
Speaker 2: all the other things that you brought up right, or maybe.

1593
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: Above league average those, but he's not running the ball.

1594
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:35,600
Speaker 1: Let me ask you one more thing. And I'm not

1595
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 1: saying this would be because I've seen people say this

1596
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: as like a permanent thing, and I wouldn't do it

1597
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 1: as a permanent thing, but I mean they did it

1598
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 1: earlier this year with Antonio Gibson. Would you use Rmandra

1599
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: Stevenson as a fullback?

1600
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 2: I mean, like, I guess you could if you want to.

1601
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: Go like offset with Travon Henderson, not all the time,

1602
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 1: but putting it in as a wrinkle.

1603
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't know what that really solves, though,

1604
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 2: I like you maybe have some cool plays off of it.

1605
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 1: As you talked about Jack Westovers, Maybe not that guy.

1606
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 2: I mean he's not going to like lead through the

1607
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 2: a gap and block the line center.

1608
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's pass blocking pretty well right now.

1609
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: I know it's different, but maybe a powerful guy.

1610
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to doing that, I'm

1611
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 2: gonna get hurt.

1612
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 1: I think it's in any way to contribute to the

1613
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: team kind of thing.

1614
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 2: They could do a little bit more with the scheme druns.

1615
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 2: Like I think that they've kind of put the Drake

1616
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 2: May design runs away because well, a like their passing

1617
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 2: game doesn't really need it. But be I also think

1618
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 2: that you know, he's probably a better scrambler than he

1619
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 2: is like a natural design runner. I think that's kind

1620
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 2: of what they've found in that regard. But whether it's motion,

1621
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 2: whether it's jet motion or sweeps, or you know, getting

1622
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 2: a little bit more production out of the screen game.

1623
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 2: Like the screen game is just an extension of the

1624
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 2: running game. It's just the passing games version of the

1625
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 2: running game. Like, so could you get a little bit

1626
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 2: more out of like your wide receiver screens and things

1627
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 2: like that. I think that there might be some ways

1628
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 2: that they could dress up the running game just a

1629
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 2: little bit better, yea, and not just run it right

1630
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 2: at people. But at the end of the day, you

1631
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 2: also have to be able to traditionally run the ball

1632
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:08,600
Speaker 2: to be a good rush offense. This is something that

1633
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 2: you know, not to make a buffalo again, but like

1634
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 2: this is something that Bill's learned Josh Allen, Like, you

1635
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:19,560
Speaker 2: can't your run game cannot be solely reliant on the quarterback,

1636
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 2: Like you have to be able to line up under

1637
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 2: center and hand the ball off to James Cook and

1638
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 2: be a good traditional rush offense. Like you can't just

1639
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 2: put it all on scrambles and design runs. I don't

1640
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 2: understand how that is. Is a smirk, Like Josh Allen's

1641
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 2: still great at it, Like I.

1642
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 1: Know, but because no, my issue is not primarily with

1643
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: Josh Allen's with the Bills and them misusing him and

1644
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 1: people not understanding the context of that.

1645
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:53,719
Speaker 2: Should I read this email about Bill's catch twenty two? Yeah, so, Evan,

1646
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 2: is this Bill's catch twenty two? Because I thought I

1647
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:59,719
Speaker 2: was watching Patriots catch twenty two. The Bills are faltering

1648
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 2: in struggling, even if their wins they aren't weren't perfect.

1649
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,719
Speaker 2: Just like how Bart defends his take on Josh Allen

1650
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 2: bad years, definitely defen defending Josh Allen newgoat take. That's

1651
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 2: Kyle from Penbrook. Kyle, I'm just not counting chickens before

1652
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:16,759
Speaker 2: they hatch. My friend, we're six weeks into the season.

1653
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 2: You want to bury the Bills playing good football right now? Yes?

1654
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 3: Or no?

1655
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 2: No, they're not playing good football right now. I also

1656
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 2: watched the Patriots play a bad football early on in

1657
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 2: the season for years and come out the other side

1658
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 2: and we end.

1659
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 3: Up in.

1660
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: Day had two. I'm sorry. You can love Josh Allen

1661
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 1: all you want.

1662
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 2: He's not.

1663
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that, like let mcderbert, certainly Bill Belichi.

1664
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:40,560
Speaker 2: Also, last year the Bills were three and two, so

1665
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 2: so let just make this point, just everybody calm down.

1666
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 1: I will say I saw somebody make this point that

1667
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 1: the Bills have lost back to back games in like

1668
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 1: five or six consecutive seasons or something like that. They

1669
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 1: keep doing it. But last year, when they were two

1670
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 1: years ago when they did it, or last year when

1671
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 1: they did it, I guess I should say. They beat

1672
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: the Dolphins by twenty one, and then they beat the

1673
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: Jaguars by thirty seven, and then they lost back to

1674
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 1: back in Week's four and five to the Ravens in Texas.

1675
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 1: We're both good teams this year. Leading into their back

1676
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 1: to back losses, they barely beat the Dolphins. They barely

1677
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: beat the Saints. This is not Bill's catchwaying two, and

1678
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 1: then they lost to the Patriots, who might be a

1679
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 1: good team in the Falcons who might be a good team,

1680
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:24,599
Speaker 1: but aren't like the Ravens last year.

1681
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 2: So the context is a little different. Okay, just I

1682
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 2: think you know, I know, Ile Dermott, he was teasing us.

1683
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 2: We have forty minutes left in the show. We're going

1684
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 2: to do some calls and emails now, I promise. I

1685
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 2: also want to talk a little bit about this Titans game.

1686
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 2: A little bit of juice with were able going back

1687
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Speaker 2: to Tennessee and.

1688
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 1: The change players in the league is on that.

1689
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 2: So we'll talk a little bit about that. Brent Morquare

1690
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Speaker 2: have been waiting. Let's get to these calls. Patty is

1705
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Speaker 2: an agu on what's up? Patty?

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Speaker 4: So what I really wanted to do was what I loved.

1712
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,560
Speaker 4: What I really loved about what what I saw on

1713
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 4: Sunday wasn't the officiating. But what I really loved what

1714
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 4: I saw on Sunday was how late in the game,

1715
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 4: it was the possession before their final possession where they

1716
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,759
Speaker 4: closed the game out, when they got into these crazy

1717
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:57,799
Speaker 4: ass like third and long situations, they weren't running draws

1718
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 4: like Josh, I think, recognize the situation and recognize that

1719
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 4: my quarterbacks got a big arm and our guys are

1720
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 4: getting open against these guys, and they went for it.

1721
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 4: And I mean that's something I don't think that we've seen,

1722
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 4: even like in the Brady era. You know, a lot

1723
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 4: of times when they can know these third and long situations,

1724
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,560
Speaker 4: they would just like run draws or run screens or

1725
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 4: run just basically play it safe. And I just I

1726
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 4: love the aggression and I kind of hope that continues.

1727
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:29,560
Speaker 4: And I wanted to see what you guys had to

1728
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 4: think about that. And I'll take it off there.

1729
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 2: Thanks Patty. Well it helps at the quarterbacks. One of

1730
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 2: the best laid down quarterbacks in the NFL through six weeks.

1731
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 1: One of the best deep ball thars.

1732
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this to me is another if you want

1733
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 2: to like talk about Feathers and Drake May's cap through

1734
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 2: the first six weeks of the season. His production in

1735
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 2: obvious passing situations and his production on late downs is

1736
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:55,640
Speaker 2: just off the charts good right now. So he is

1737
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 2: third in the league and EPA on third and fourth

1738
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 2: down brock Perty, you know, hopefully he'll come back eventually,

1739
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 2: and Daniel Jones is number one. And that statistic, their

1740
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:07,680
Speaker 2: success rate or drop back success rate on third and

1741
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 2: fourth down is fifty two point six percent. So the

1742
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 2: reason why they are opening it up on third and

1743
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 2: fourth down is because Drake May is letting them, you know,

1744
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:21,320
Speaker 2: Drake May is elevating them in those situations. Now, one

1745
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 2: of the plays on Sunday when they went for it

1746
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 2: on that fourth down, it is so refreshing to see

1747
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 2: us Stefan Diggs just win so easily on that route

1748
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:35,520
Speaker 2: like that is like with the pocket clean pocket Digs

1749
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 2: wins clickly on the slant like that is literally it

1750
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 2: might as well have been routes on air, like they

1751
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 2: were just out there playing pitch and catch like it's

1752
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 2: the middle of August in training camp. Drake May had

1753
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 2: nobody around him. Diggs was wide open on the slant

1754
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 2: got Beatman coverage. So it's a bit, a little bit

1755
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:59,679
Speaker 2: of everything, of course, but Drake May's efficiency on third

1756
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 2: and four down is some of the best in the

1757
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 2: league right now. And his efficiency in obvious passing situations

1758
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:10,959
Speaker 2: like expected passes situations. He's in number one rated quarterback

1759
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 2: in the league when they're expected to pass, so that

1760
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 2: that's a big reason why those things are happening. I mean,

1761
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 2: some of the numbers on Drake May, and you know,

1762
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 2: I could nerd out about all this for the rest

1763
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 2: of the show. Some of the numbers on Drake May

1764
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:26,559
Speaker 2: are stupid, like it's insane how well he is playing.

1765
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 2: And I would say, all like the great quarterbacks play

1766
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 2: great on third down, Like that's really where that's the

1767
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:33,719
Speaker 2: money down.

1768
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:34,719
Speaker 1: For the reason quarterback.

1769
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's right up there with the best in

1770
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 2: the league. Sean is in Vancouver. What's up, Sean.

1771
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 9: Well, Stevenson didn't fumble. Now that's not something we need

1772
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 9: to celebrate. But one thing I noticed is it looked

1773
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 9: like they were like really mauling him and trying to

1774
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 9: force the fumble and he didn't. So I want to

1775
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 9: give him prompts for actually maybe make an adjustment on

1776
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 9: that of the run game not working like, yeah, they're

1777
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 9: they're not doing a good job. But yeah, like you said,

1778
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 9: the teams the opponents are are really you know, playing

1779
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 9: the run. There's stuff in the box and they're they're blitzing. Well,

1780
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 9: one play that worked early was a play action uh

1781
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 9: to pop. Now maybe they could do more play action

1782
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 9: like have that uh X plays five times for play

1783
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 9: action instead of once and and maybe either you know,

1784
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 9: teams will the opponents will will have to pay for

1785
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 9: that or they'll adjust. Now the officiating, I'm wondering that

1786
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:38,759
Speaker 9: one solution on that could be hiring these these refs

1787
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 9: that I'm full time. So they study and they watch tape,

1788
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 9: they go to practice, they just get better. And one

1789
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 9: one last question, how do we find out the game

1790
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 9: day captains? Where where can we go on the on

1791
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 9: the web to know who that will be?

1792
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 10: All right, I'll leave it out there.

1793
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks Sean. Yeah, we should probably do a better

1794
01:25:57,960 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 2: job of keeping track of those. Last week, it was

1795
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 2: kind Toga he did not go out for the coin toss.

1796
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 2: I Able made a joke about that in postgame, saying

1797
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 2: that he maybe was a little bit nervous to go

1798
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 2: out there on the coin toss. But I love Caiusakiris.

1799
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 2: Tonga's a beast. Yeah, guy deserves a ton of credit

1800
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 2: for what he's done in the run defense. So we

1801
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 2: can do a better job sean of keeping track of those.

1802
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 2: Mark is in Connecticut. What's up? Mark?

1803
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:25,600
Speaker 11: Going on?

1804
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 1: Not much?

1805
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:28,839
Speaker 2: How we doing.

1806
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 8: Well?

1807
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 11: I think the NFL finally put the officiating on notice.

1808
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 11: I saw some things on Facebook and some other webs

1809
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 11: that we're saying that the NFL is definitely gonna do

1810
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:46,640
Speaker 11: an investigation on that officiating group, because I mean, that

1811
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 11: was just probably the worst officiating crew I've ever seen.

1812
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 11: And I've been watching football for probably thirty years now,

1813
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 11: and I got to say that that's just terrible, the

1814
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 11: terrible product that they're putting on the field. But other

1815
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 11: than that, the other thing is can we get more

1816
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 11: designed type of I just need to get more innovated

1817
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:09,799
Speaker 11: in the run game because we know that they're stacking

1818
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 11: the blox with eight in the block, So if they're

1819
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 11: going to keep doing that, can we get like some

1820
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,680
Speaker 11: James White type of screenplays going or something. I Mean,

1821
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 11: I'm just thick of every time we're going up the gut,

1822
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 11: we're going up the gun, but we're losing yards and

1823
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 11: we're or we're getting nowhere, So can we just try

1824
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:27,639
Speaker 11: and get a little more creative?

1825
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 9: Thanks guys, Love you guys.

1826
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 2: Thanks Mark, Thanks for the call. Yeah, I definitely think

1827
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 2: that calls for more creativity in the run game are

1828
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 2: fair because they're so bad running the ball, they got

1829
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 2: to do something different than what they're doing.

1830
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 1: You know.

1831
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:45,839
Speaker 2: It's interesting. I think that their run game just by design,

1832
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 2: like they're running a lot of duo or gap where

1833
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:49,679
Speaker 2: they're just kind of getting double teams on the line

1834
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 2: of scrimmage and trying to push the line of scrimmage.

1835
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:54,640
Speaker 2: And they've had some good reps in duo even in

1836
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 2: this game early on in the game. But that scheme

1837
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 2: inherently does lend itself to guys getting up to the

1838
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 2: second level, like blockers getting up from the first to

1839
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 2: the second level. So a lot of what you're seeing

1840
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 2: when you run duo is like three four yards in

1841
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:13,640
Speaker 2: the cloud of dust because it's just a displacement that

1842
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 2: they're getting from the double teams. And then there's no

1843
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 2: like the linebackers are unblocked, so like they're just free

1844
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 2: to make the play once they can kind of sift

1845
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:25,599
Speaker 2: through the trash, and that's where like the running backs,

1846
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 2: breaking tackles and things like that come into play. But

1847
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 2: that's why you're seeing like a lot of like runs

1848
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 2: up the middle is because they are running up the

1849
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 2: middle by design. It's a good question. I think there

1850
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 2: are some schematic things that they could do, certainly like

1851
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 2: more from the gun, you know, with some of their

1852
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 2: gun package and their motion packages that they could get

1853
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 2: more involved in. I don't think that this coaching staff

1854
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 2: is quite in the AVP school of like we're gonna

1855
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:55,680
Speaker 2: we're not gonna run drake because we want to keep

1856
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 2: them healthy. I don't think that they're quite there, but

1857
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 2: I do think that they're There is a balance there

1858
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 2: where if you start letting him run around and start

1859
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 2: unleashing him in that regard, you know, it is a

1860
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 2: juice worth the squeeze, right, Like is it worth it

1861
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 2: if he starts to get you know, added up, some

1862
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:16,600
Speaker 2: body blows and starts to take some hits, Like is

1863
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 2: that really worth it to be a little bit more

1864
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 2: productive in the ground. That's that's something that you always have.

1865
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 1: To say, you know, you talked about earlier. There's you know,

1866
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 1: I think everybody's looking for. And I you talked about

1867
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 1: earlier with the Bills. I've talked about this with Bills

1868
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 1: for a long time. Like it just felt like whoever

1869
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 1: the Bills offensive coordinator was was always getting criticized because

1870
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:36,720
Speaker 1: they were trying to find that that magic equilibrium of

1871
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: how much do you run the quarterback where to benefit

1872
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 1: but not too much that he gets hurt and now

1873
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 1: your offense is lacking because the quarterback's playing banged up.

1874
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 1: I don't know that that equilibrium honestly exists. Yeah, I

1875
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 1: don't know that there is a perfect number. I air

1876
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 1: on the side of don't run him, and that doesn't

1877
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 1: mean run him zero times. But I'd rather run him

1878
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 1: not enough than run him too much, because if you're

1879
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 1: running him not enough, at least he's still healthy. You know,

1880
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 1: I think that goal line situation, for instance, right that

1881
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 1: the Patriots had. Your run game's not good. You want

1882
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 1: to mix in maybe like a read option or QB

1883
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 1: power there obviously the quarterback sneaks right the two point

1884
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 1: conversion things like that. You know, second in seven in

1885
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 1: the first quarter, early in a drive, Why do you

1886
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:21,640
Speaker 1: need your quarterback take a hit?

1887
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:22,280
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1888
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 1: Like it I'd rather just figure out how to get

1889
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 1: the run game going. I'm with you there on you know,

1890
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 1: short yardage, goal line situations though gone out of it.

1891
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:31,800
Speaker 1: You know to like fourth and too late in the game.

1892
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 1: You can you can kill the clock.

1893
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:36,000
Speaker 2: Like sure, I want to throw a zone read in

1894
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:36,839
Speaker 2: there or something.

1895
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 1: High impact situation.

1896
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:41,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's another email, Chirpin at us. Alexis is from Barton,

1897
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:45,600
Speaker 2: Poland have you stopped underrating Drake London in the pre

1898
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 2: draft process? When TET was getting Drake London comps with

1899
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 2: high end comps of T Higgins, it was flabbergasted because

1900
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:55,000
Speaker 2: in no world is Higgins better than London. Also, I

1901
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:57,640
Speaker 2: wrote in on Catch twenty two saying how DK is

1902
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 2: overrated in one of the players that I had over

1903
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 2: him was London Barth and you scoffed at it. But

1904
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 2: I don't think that there are many people that would

1905
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 2: take DK over London. Drake London has gotten, uh has

1906
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 2: broken out here. Maybe he didn't break out the wrong word. Uh.

1907
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 2: I have respect now for Drake London. He's a good player.

1908
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 2: He's gotten.

1909
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 4: Uh.

1910
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 2: He's caught my eye, especially watching him in primetime this weekend.

1911
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 2: That guy's a beast. He's a good football player. He's

1912
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 2: probably like a top ten receiver in the league. Bart,

1913
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:27,479
Speaker 2: you were right, we were wrong. That's big of me.

1914
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 2: I don't normally do that. There you go.

1915
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 1: No, he's been really good and I think you're seeing

1916
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 1: We talked about this a lot with Tep McMillan, that

1917
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 1: the league became so speed driven that these guys that

1918
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:38,479
Speaker 1: are really technically skilled but don't run a four to

1919
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 1: three maybe get you know, get overlooked. And yeah, obviously,

1920
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 1: you know, I think that our comp to from Drake

1921
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 1: London to Tech McMillan still stands. We were maybe just

1922
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 1: a little too low on both of them. Yeah, cop

1923
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 1: works out just not the way we thought it would.

1924
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:55,600
Speaker 1: But I think it's great. I love to see a

1925
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 1: player that maybe isn't the you know, the most. I

1926
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 1: don't even want to say he's not athletically gifted because

1927
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's not changes direction. Well, that's right,

1928
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:07,479
Speaker 1: he's not a track sprinter. That shouldn't be the all

1929
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 1: there is to playing wide receiver. And it kind of

1930
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 1: felt like the league was going in that direction. The

1931
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 1: fast and guys right, and Drake London is showing that

1932
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 1: there's more than one way to play the position, which

1933
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 1: is a good thing you want there to be. You know,

1934
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:22,920
Speaker 1: people used to joke you stand Randy Moss next to

1935
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 1: Wes Welker. You know, it's hard to believe those two

1936
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 1: guys play the same position, but they do. I think

1937
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: that's part of what makes football so great, is the

1938
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 1: specialization of it. So love seeing guys like that succeed.

1939
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:37,759
Speaker 2: So I will fully admit that my Drake London takes

1940
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:40,759
Speaker 2: in the past, especially in his draft class or Nikhil

1941
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 2: Harry PTSD, I just don't big you know, physical jump

1942
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 2: ball receivers. Now London has turned into a much different

1943
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 2: kind of player than that. Like London is a good

1944
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 2: route runner, London gets open Like I'm not trying to

1945
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 2: put London in that category, but when you're evaluating guys

1946
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 2: out of the draft and he runs like a you know,

1947
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 2: low four five and he's like, you know, not really

1948
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:08,240
Speaker 2: known for his separation, Like I always just get a

1949
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 2: little bit nervous with those types of guys in the

1950
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 2: Patriots specifically because of their lack of success in that

1951
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 2: archetype in that position. But Drake London has definitely proved

1952
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:21,240
Speaker 2: me wrong. I wasn't overly high on him even coming out,

1953
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 2: and he's been much better than I expected. He's a

1954
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:27,599
Speaker 2: good player. We are getting a bunch of questions Alex

1955
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 2: about needs and stuff like that. That's how you know

1956
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 2: that this is a draft show and this is an

1957
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 2: offseason show. Is that people, despite the fact that the

1958
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 2: Patriots are four and two and currently leading the AFC East,

1959
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:41,560
Speaker 2: they want us to talk about twenty twenty six in

1960
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 2: the needs on this football team. So he's asked for

1961
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:47,639
Speaker 2: the five biggest that's a lot, let's get.

1962
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 1: Let's do three on this show, you know, projecting ahead

1963
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 1: a little bit, so I will say this, I am

1964
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:57,840
Speaker 1: I nuts that I'm kind of taking wide receiver out

1965
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:01,839
Speaker 1: of the big three knees conversation, No, because if Kaishan

1966
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:03,920
Speaker 1: Bo's going to play this way, you know, I know

1967
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 1: Diggs is thirty one, but they still look Kyle Williams,

1968
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 1: who they haven't used in I'm not saying it's not

1969
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 1: a need, but I look at it getting a premier

1970
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 1: edge rusher and this looks like a really good edge class.

1971
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 1: And not all these guys are going to be there

1972
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 1: for where the Patriots are picking, but Arvel Reese, ruben

1973
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:24,640
Speaker 1: Bain Denise Dennis Sutton like they're going to push some

1974
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 1: other guys down. I think I think you might get

1975
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,640
Speaker 1: a long way to go. You might get like a

1976
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 1: top ten pick caliber edge rusher in the late teens

1977
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 1: in this draft, just because I think that position has

1978
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:37,600
Speaker 1: a chance. We'll see who comes out and all that

1979
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:40,559
Speaker 1: has a chance to be really loaded. I would say

1980
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 1: the same for right tackles, this looks like a really

1981
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 1: good tackle draft. In particularly really good right tackle draft.

1982
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 1: Morgan mos has been solid, but we know the deal

1983
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:51,760
Speaker 1: with his age and all of that, and you know,

1984
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 1: whether it's Maui Goa, I still got to get that

1985
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:57,920
Speaker 1: name down from Miami. You know, Utah has got a

1986
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 1: couple of good tackles that both have experience playing both ways. Uh,

1987
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 1: Caleb Lomu, I believe is there they're right tackle this year.

1988
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 1: You know, those are probably the two biggest needs. And

1989
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 1: then some whether it's a linebacker or a safety. There's

1990
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 1: multiple ways you could go about this, and it would

1991
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:15,439
Speaker 1: depend on what they do in for agency and what

1992
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 1: happens with Kyle Duggar and things like that. But like

1993
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 1: somebody who can cover tight ends and rush the passer,

1994
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 1: and whether that's Harold Perkins. I know you had your

1995
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 1: theory that Caleb Downs might fall in the draft all

1996
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:30,280
Speaker 1: the way he's playing Evan, I just that's it. He's

1997
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 1: got to be a top five player to be fair.

1998
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 2: My theory was more likely. Let's say the Patriots are

1999
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:39,600
Speaker 2: picking like eleventh. Yeah right, well here's They're gonna be

2000
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 2: probably better than picking eleven, So it's probably so all right.

2001
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:44,080
Speaker 1: But I had this thought the other day, and we

2002
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 1: can bring this back to this year kind of like

2003
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 1: they they made their run in because one of the

2004
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:52,240
Speaker 1: questions I get now is how is this different than

2005
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:54,599
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. They had a rookie quarterback, he played well,

2006
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:56,000
Speaker 1: and then what happened that let go of the rope

2007
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 1: and fell apart? Are wondering, now, Drake May is better

2008
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:02,080
Speaker 1: than mac jones lot, But you know some of that

2009
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 1: was you look at their off seasons in twenty twenty

2010
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 1: two and twenty twenty three. They didn't do much after

2011
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 1: a big year in twenty one. Now, I don't know

2012
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:10,559
Speaker 1: that they need to spend the way they spent last year.

2013
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 1: You're not going to do that every year. You're not

2014
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 1: gonna be the highest spending team every year In a

2015
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 1: salary cap league, but you do want to stay aggressive

2016
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:19,560
Speaker 1: and keep keep the pedal of the metal parts of

2017
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 1: this roster. This is six weeks, since this is all

2018
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 1: very much subject to change, is it fair to say

2019
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 1: parts of the roster are further along than we may

2020
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:27,559
Speaker 1: be expected at the beginning of the year.

2021
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that, you know, So just on the

2022
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,560
Speaker 2: wide receiver thing real quick. Yeah, like when you have

2023
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:34,720
Speaker 2: a great quarterback, all of a sudden the receivers look

2024
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 2: a little bit better. I think that's happening now. Is

2025
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 2: there still a is there still like a big picture

2026
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:45,599
Speaker 2: need for like that true deep number one alpha receiver

2027
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 2: to play alongside Diggs? Like yeah, Like no one is

2028
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:52,400
Speaker 2: saying that if aj Brown wants to reunite with Mike

2029
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 2: Rabel that we're going to say no thanks. Like no

2030
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 2: one is saying, but here's what here's my But is

2031
01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:58,679
Speaker 2: it like a thing that you need to throw assets

2032
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:00,760
Speaker 2: at in the offseason and it's like all the like

2033
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:01,559
Speaker 2: like it has been the.

2034
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 1: Specifically first round pick right right, so it's more much so.

2035
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:07,680
Speaker 1: But let's even if they want to receive it, right So,

2036
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:09,720
Speaker 1: cause i I'm like, where does your where would you

2037
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:11,599
Speaker 1: put your Entyson in this offense? Where'd you put Carnell

2038
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:12,360
Speaker 1: Tait in this offense?

2039
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:12,599
Speaker 8: Right?

2040
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 1: Or you want to talk about it at the edge,

2041
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:17,560
Speaker 1: maybe they get aggressive, Maybe they really like dds, you know,

2042
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:20,040
Speaker 1: maybe they really like Ruben Band's gonna be top five picks,

2043
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 1: so he probably doesn't apply to this. But should we like,

2044
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 1: how much are we going to talk about trading up

2045
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 1: this offseason? Yeah, it's positing up to the draft like

2046
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:32,599
Speaker 1: that would kind of be striking while the iron's hot

2047
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 1: is okay, maybe you don't like going into the year.

2048
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 2: That's what Houston did.

2049
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:38,920
Speaker 1: You looked at it and it was like, Okay, they're

2050
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 1: probably gonna need another year where they hit on five

2051
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:44,120
Speaker 1: or six draft picks. Now, maybe not, and that doesn't

2052
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:46,640
Speaker 1: mean that they needed They can hit on zero like

2053
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 1: they have to hit on some. But do you need

2054
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:50,920
Speaker 1: to be finding those value guys later on or in

2055
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 1: two years? Right if you involve future picks, or do

2056
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 1: we start talking about them moving up from you know,

2057
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 1: wherever they end up sixteen seventeen, eighteen nineteen two, train

2058
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:02,000
Speaker 1: up to the fringe top ten and get one of

2059
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:05,639
Speaker 1: these edge rushers that falls like if the season ended today,

2060
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:08,160
Speaker 1: we'd be wondering why the season ended on October fifteenth,

2061
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:11,599
Speaker 1: But if the season ended today, that would I'd kind

2062
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:13,920
Speaker 1: of be making that argument that like, let's see where

2063
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:19,120
Speaker 1: the board falls after the combine. But if this edge

2064
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 1: rusher class, if the meat of this class is going

2065
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 1: to be like eight to twelve thirteen, and the Patriots

2066
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:27,679
Speaker 1: are sitting there at seventeen, go up and get your guy,

2067
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 1: you can maybe blow some assets on that.

2068
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 2: So quickly to answer the question more directly, if it's me,

2069
01:38:34,040 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 2: I'm focusing on the spine of the team still, so

2070
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 2: in the middle of the field. I do understand again,

2071
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 2: like if aj Brown wants out of Philadelphia and he

2072
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:44,880
Speaker 2: wants to come here to reunite with Mike Rabel and

2073
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 2: play with Drake May, I am, I will drive. I

2074
01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 2: will pick him up at the airport.

2075
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:50,799
Speaker 1: And I said take a first round pick.

2076
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:52,920
Speaker 2: Maybe, but I'm just saying like, I'll pick me up

2077
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 2: at the airport myself. But with that being said, this

2078
01:38:56,120 --> 01:39:01,919
Speaker 2: team right now, I look at it defensively, edge rusher, linebacker, safety,

2079
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 2: I still think are really positions that they need to

2080
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 2: hit on. Like if you really wanted to say, like,

2081
01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:12,879
Speaker 2: what is the weakest positions of the team running back, linebacker, safety,

2082
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 2: and I don't think it's particularly close now, edge rusher.

2083
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:18,760
Speaker 2: They have the depth, but they don't have that top guy. Yeah,

2084
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 2: they don't have a top do I don't. Jason and

2085
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:26,080
Speaker 2: Land are nice players, they're just not It's not Miles Garrett.

2086
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm with Ed rusherm kind of where I've been with

2087
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 1: receiver the last few years, which is either take a

2088
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:32,200
Speaker 1: guy at the top or like don't or take a

2089
01:39:32,240 --> 01:39:34,880
Speaker 1: real project late Like I don't need them using a

2090
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 1: they don't need to try to find josh Uche. Yeah,

2091
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:40,120
Speaker 1: no offense to josh U Chip like that. Like fiftieth

2092
01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:42,080
Speaker 1: fh overall pick, that's gonna come in and be a

2093
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:44,639
Speaker 1: complimentary guy. Take that top by the way real quick,

2094
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:46,280
Speaker 1: because you said it. We are probably going to be

2095
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:49,040
Speaker 1: talking running back in the draft. It's probably going to

2096
01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:53,680
Speaker 1: be a power back. There are some the crackhead running back.

2097
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,760
Speaker 1: There are some running backs that crack heads in this

2098
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 1: they're gonna eclipped.

2099
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:01,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some.

2100
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:05,599
Speaker 1: Uh, some guys that crackhead. Who's the Notre Dame kid

2101
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Love, Yeah, Nick Singleton, Jonah Coleman from Washington is awesome.

2102
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:10,920
Speaker 1: If you've seen him.

2103
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:16,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's where I would focus. I think they

2104
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:20,120
Speaker 2: are good enough at receiver right now. Again, like everybody

2105
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:21,800
Speaker 2: could use the number one guy, but I think they're

2106
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:23,720
Speaker 2: good enough with the way Drake may is playing that

2107
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:26,519
Speaker 2: that that's not like we need to throw assets.

2108
01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:28,479
Speaker 1: No, you're not gonna draft so Jeremiah Love might be

2109
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:31,280
Speaker 1: first round pick, You're not gonna They're not there yet.

2110
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:33,719
Speaker 2: Especially after taking Henderson at the top of the second.

2111
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 1: Do they do another top one hundred back and maybe

2112
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 1: in the second or third, Like.

2113
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 2: I wonder if and not to like drive them to

2114
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 2: the airport, but like I wonder if it's a veteran

2115
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:45,280
Speaker 2: back in for Andre.

2116
01:40:45,200 --> 01:40:47,040
Speaker 1: Well, well, then you get into the whole philosophy of

2117
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:50,599
Speaker 1: like do you pay running backs or do you draft them?

2118
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:54,600
Speaker 2: It hasn't been totally paying running backs and.

2119
01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:56,840
Speaker 1: Free comes back around the other way. It's coming back

2120
01:40:56,840 --> 01:40:58,640
Speaker 1: a little bit because it's funny you look at it,

2121
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 1: and there was that I think it was two.

2122
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 2: Years ago where a bunch of running backs changed teams

2123
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 2: and they kind of did like a musical chairs at

2124
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:09,280
Speaker 2: running back. I think that was the twenty four off season,

2125
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:11,559
Speaker 2: not this last one, but the two off seasons ago

2126
01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:14,280
Speaker 2: and like all of them hit and their new teams,

2127
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 2: like Derrick Henry going from Tennessee to Baltimore. Tony Pollard's

2128
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:20,560
Speaker 2: been decent for the Titans. And to make it a

2129
01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:24,280
Speaker 2: little bit Titans, you know, Aaron Jones going to Minnesota,

2130
01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:28,559
Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs going to Green Bay. Like it kind of worked,

2131
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:30,360
Speaker 2: so I DeAndre Swift is Chicago.

2132
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:33,920
Speaker 1: The thing about it to me, like that Saquon Barkley contractor,

2133
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 1: was like, you're gonna pay a running back that much?

2134
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:37,960
Speaker 1: And like he's the Then I left out, of course,

2135
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:39,559
Speaker 1: because I think he was the year after that, right,

2136
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:41,519
Speaker 1: think it might have been in the same year. Yi,

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Speaker 1: that's a bad miss then, But did like he's getting

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Speaker 1: If you actually look at what Saquon Barkley's contract is,

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Speaker 1: it's like wide receiver three money I think he got

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Speaker 1: with Steve Slayton got from the Giants, right, So, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, he's a top five paid running back. It's

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Speaker 1: like remember when people freaked out that the Patriots made

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01:41:59,240 --> 01:42:01,720
Speaker 1: Joe Cardona the he's paid long separate NFL. It's like

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Speaker 1: it's half a percent of the gap. Yeah, like at

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Speaker 1: a certain point with some positions. Yeah, he's getting paid

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01:42:08,439 --> 01:42:10,160
Speaker 1: a lot relative for his position. But if he's good,

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01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:14,519
Speaker 1: it's not. Is Saquon Barkley's contract a backbreaking contract? No, right,

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Speaker 1: it's so.

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Speaker 2: It's a little bit in vogue right now. It's it's

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01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 2: coming back slightly, just because I don't I don't hate

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01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:24,320
Speaker 2: that the market correction has led to it being almost

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01:42:24,360 --> 01:42:26,960
Speaker 2: like a devalued position because of the contract. To your

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01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:29,680
Speaker 2: point about Saquon, like, it's not like these running backs

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01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:32,120
Speaker 2: are making twenty five million dollars a year, so now

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01:42:32,200 --> 01:42:34,320
Speaker 2: there's almost like value in it, right, it's kind of

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01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:36,960
Speaker 2: a zig zag thing. All right, let's get to these calls.

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Speaker 2: Let's go rapid fire through these calls, and maybe we

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Speaker 2: can talk thirty seconds about the Titans, which, frankly is you.

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Speaker 1: Want me to give my tit take real quick before

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Speaker 1: we do the falls.

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Speaker 2: It's over, good idea.

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons rules. Yeah, great player. I saw you know,

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01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:51,519
Speaker 1: somebody get out of there given a chance to win.

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01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:55,960
Speaker 1: Underrated player, tremendous player, game change around, all three downs.

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Speaker 1: Love watching him, looking forward to watching him this week

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Speaker 1: after him, some young guys. I don't hate cam Ward,

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01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:04,280
Speaker 1: but like not a ton of talent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so my biggest things about this game, like trying

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01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:12,479
Speaker 2: to find ways where this is a upset for the Titans.

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Speaker 2: The interim coach bump like does kind of exist. I

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01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:19,479
Speaker 2: did some digging on this yesterday. It's not as it

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01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:22,720
Speaker 2: hasn't happened as recently, you know, as much recently. They're

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Speaker 2: three and six and since twenty twenty two. But Jeff

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Speaker 2: Saturday in Indy, Darren Rizzy in New Orleans, Antonio Pears

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01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:33,760
Speaker 2: in Vegas. All three of those guys recently won their

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01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:38,440
Speaker 2: first games as interim head coaches. Mike McCoy has coaching experience.

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Speaker 2: He was four years with the Chargers in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the twenty tens, So like, it's not like somebody

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01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:45,800
Speaker 2: that's getting the job for the very first time and

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01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:49,240
Speaker 2: doesn't know what he's doing. That whole thing kind of

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01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:52,200
Speaker 2: exists now to me, that gets washed out by Rabel

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01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:55,040
Speaker 2: coming back to Tennessee because I think the Patriots players

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01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:56,960
Speaker 2: are gonna want to win this game for Rabel. So

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Speaker 2: like as much as the interim coach bump helped the

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01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:02,719
Speaker 2: Titans and kind of light a fire under the Titans,

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01:44:03,160 --> 01:44:06,240
Speaker 2: I think this game has a lot of juice internally.

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01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:13,519
Speaker 2: Rable Stretch Harold Landry, Jack Gibbons, Robert splain, even to

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01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:16,000
Speaker 2: an extent, like a lot of guys going back to

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01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:19,400
Speaker 2: a place that kind of fired them from their jobs.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's a little more it's a you

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01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 1: could look at it either way. I guess I don't

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01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:26,960
Speaker 1: know I ver abel well enough on a personal level

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01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:30,240
Speaker 1: to say this, is it a little more of a

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01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:32,960
Speaker 1: twisting the knife that the guy they replaced you with

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01:44:33,080 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 1: didn't even make it to your return on him. I'm

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01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:38,400
Speaker 1: like that might be the other way. That might be

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Speaker 1: some of it might be like ha ha, like I'm

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01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:43,880
Speaker 1: not even facing my replacement, like it's not. But part

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Speaker 1: of it, I don't know, if you're that level of

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01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:47,960
Speaker 1: a competitor, would there be an element of you're not

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Speaker 1: even gonna let me beat the guy that you replaced

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01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:52,679
Speaker 1: me with. Now I gotta beat this next guy twice?

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01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:53,680
Speaker 1: Is bad kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: So I think that the interim head coach bump is

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01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:59,280
Speaker 2: one thing. The other thing is three straight row games.

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01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,560
Speaker 1: It's really hard to win on the road in the

2207
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:03,080
Speaker 1: same never done Patriot's never done it.

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01:45:03,200 --> 01:45:04,880
Speaker 2: It's really hard to win three in a row in

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01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:09,080
Speaker 2: this league on the road. That is that is something

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01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:12,360
Speaker 2: that is a little bit tricky. But we're taught when

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01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:15,599
Speaker 2: we talk about the interim coach bump in the road thing,

2212
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:18,320
Speaker 2: like we're not talking about tangible things that have anything

2213
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:22,080
Speaker 2: to do with this game. We're talking about like historical anomalies.

2214
01:45:22,240 --> 01:45:25,360
Speaker 1: Well, football, it's a game played by humans and there's

2215
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 1: a human element to it.

2216
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:30,360
Speaker 2: Can't totally sund like it's not about what's like actually

2217
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:31,040
Speaker 2: on paper.

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01:45:31,120 --> 01:45:33,559
Speaker 1: You know the meme online about like the power friendship

2219
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:36,400
Speaker 1: thing with teams with the power friend it's the Titans

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01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:38,719
Speaker 1: got to get up for it, basically, is your point exactly.

2221
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:40,880
Speaker 2: I think this game is going to go one of

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01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:45,560
Speaker 2: two ways. They're going to be an extremely excruciating competitive

2223
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:47,519
Speaker 2: game where the Titans are going to get up for

2224
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:49,120
Speaker 2: the game and they're going to really go toe to

2225
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:51,559
Speaker 2: toe with the Patriots on Sunday, or the Patriots are

2226
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:53,439
Speaker 2: going to blow doors. And I don't think there's much

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01:45:53,479 --> 01:45:53,920
Speaker 2: in between.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's do these calls. All right, four minutes,

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01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 1: you gotta go, all right, you gotta go.

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01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:00,880
Speaker 2: Brandon is in New Jersey's Brendan.

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01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:06,439
Speaker 10: Hey, you got me, Yes, So I have a question

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01:46:06,479 --> 01:46:09,000
Speaker 10: about what you guys think about how McDaniels has been

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01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:11,360
Speaker 10: using the running backs in the passing game. I mean

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01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:13,760
Speaker 10: what it kind of has been is may using the

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01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:16,960
Speaker 10: running back as a last resort. I'd kind of like

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01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:19,679
Speaker 10: to see like the old McDaniel style, like quick hitters

2237
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:22,000
Speaker 10: like they use James White, you know, like one one

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01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:24,040
Speaker 10: step drop to the you know, to the flat or

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01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:27,280
Speaker 10: even the check release. I mean the caveat is that

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Speaker 10: maybe they don't do this because they don't have the

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01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:32,160
Speaker 10: luxury to do it, because the running back has to

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01:46:32,240 --> 01:46:34,240
Speaker 10: help out to chip or just stay in to block.

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01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:36,760
Speaker 10: Just one of your guys thoughts here, I'll take it off.

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01:46:36,680 --> 01:46:39,120
Speaker 2: Air, thanks Brendan. So you know the James White option

2245
01:46:39,320 --> 01:46:42,400
Speaker 2: routes and things like that. You know that that takes

2246
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:46,000
Speaker 2: some advanced nuance to understand leverage and read it out.

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01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:48,200
Speaker 2: And I think Remandre can do those types of things,

2248
01:46:48,439 --> 01:46:51,360
Speaker 2: but he is not. Isn't the more dynamic mover out

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01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 2: of the two backs, the rookie Henderson. My guess is

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Speaker 2: that there's some mental things going on there about doing

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01:46:57,800 --> 01:46:59,479
Speaker 2: those different things. The one thing I would say with

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01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:02,439
Speaker 2: the running backs in the passing game, and they hit

2253
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:05,160
Speaker 2: the wheel to Remondre in Week two in Miami. I

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01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:07,240
Speaker 2: would like to see them get vertical a little bit

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Speaker 2: more with the running backs, like especially Henderson, Like can

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01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:12,120
Speaker 2: we just see Henderson trying to run a wheel route

2257
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:14,640
Speaker 2: down the sideline and maybe he gets matched up on

2258
01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:17,360
Speaker 2: a linebacker that's out leverage and actually just wins the

2259
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:19,599
Speaker 2: foot race, And that might be a way to get

2260
01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:22,600
Speaker 2: him loose and get him the football, is just to

2261
01:47:22,680 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 2: get him vertical out of the backfield and just let

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01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:27,080
Speaker 2: him run a straight line, Like see if he can

2263
01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:29,320
Speaker 2: outrun a guy, like he's probably gonna be pretty good

2264
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:31,040
Speaker 2: at that. So that would be my nitpick of the

2265
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:35,280
Speaker 2: James White like Tom Brady dump offs and things like that,

2266
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:37,640
Speaker 2: Like those two guys are just really special at that.

2267
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:45,280
Speaker 2: Like I don't know if that's necessarily something everybody can replicate. Eldredd, Eldred, what's.

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01:47:45,120 --> 01:47:53,320
Speaker 8: Up a they outed email? I don't care. I'm taking

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01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:54,400
Speaker 8: DK over everybody.

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01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:55,639
Speaker 2: Hell yeah.

2271
01:47:56,520 --> 01:48:02,160
Speaker 8: But I still say it's the line to back both

2272
01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:05,240
Speaker 8: games out, especially the last game. And like I said before,

2273
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:08,080
Speaker 8: but when you got his butt feat full way to one.

2274
01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:10,080
Speaker 10: But other than that, that's it.

2275
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:13,599
Speaker 8: But AJ Brown would be a Patriot. He's not this year,

2276
01:48:14,120 --> 01:48:16,920
Speaker 8: next year, guarantee, Thank you. I have a good one.

2277
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:19,479
Speaker 2: Thanks, Eldred. Is there what is the over under on

2278
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:22,679
Speaker 2: either AJ Brown or Derrick Henry eventually being a Patriot,

2279
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:25,519
Speaker 2: because I think the percentage is probably pretty hard.

2280
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:27,360
Speaker 1: I think it's higher for Henry than Brown.

2281
01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:29,320
Speaker 2: I think one of those guys is gonna say, you

2282
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:32,080
Speaker 2: know what Vrabel's doing exactly what he did in Tennessee.

2283
01:48:32,120 --> 01:48:34,639
Speaker 2: They're building a program in New England. I'm going back

2284
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:34,880
Speaker 2: with you.

2285
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:38,080
Speaker 1: So I'll say, I think like there's a good maybe

2286
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:39,920
Speaker 1: not this year, and maybe it's at the end when

2287
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:41,360
Speaker 1: he's like kind of done. But like I think a

2288
01:48:41,439 --> 01:48:43,360
Speaker 1: j I think Derk Henry's gonna end up here.

2289
01:48:43,800 --> 01:48:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2290
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:45,920
Speaker 1: I just have a gut feeling at some point, not

2291
01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:48,400
Speaker 1: necessarily this year, at some point I think he ends

2292
01:48:48,479 --> 01:48:50,360
Speaker 1: up here. AJ Brown and we'll see.

2293
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:58,400
Speaker 2: Francisco is in North Carolina. What's up Francisco? Francisco going once?

2294
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:00,600
Speaker 3: Go on?

2295
01:49:01,240 --> 01:49:07,760
Speaker 1: Wait, guys, Hello, thank you, Yeah, we got you.

2296
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:12,439
Speaker 2: What's up? Go ahead, you're on the air. All right,

2297
01:49:12,479 --> 01:49:15,000
Speaker 2: I'm dropping. All right, So that's gonna do it for

2298
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:17,960
Speaker 2: the show today. That was a quick trigger. I'm sorry,

2299
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:21,320
Speaker 2: but I had to. We have Patriots Unfiltered coming up here.

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01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:25,200
Speaker 2: In about ten minutes, so plenty more Titans breakdown talk.

2301
01:49:25,240 --> 01:49:27,479
Speaker 2: I'm sure Alex will do the same thing on his

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01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:29,040
Speaker 2: station at some point this week.

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01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:31,800
Speaker 1: So this morning and check it out on sportsw YouTube channel.

2304
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:34,439
Speaker 2: There you go. So if you really are dying to

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01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:36,840
Speaker 2: hear a preview of Patriots Titans that was more than

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01:49:36,920 --> 01:49:40,240
Speaker 2: five minutes, we will certainly have you guys covered. We'll

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01:49:40,280 --> 01:49:44,120
Speaker 2: be back next week. Finally, thank you to the Lord

2308
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:46,280
Speaker 2: that we are finally going to have a home game

2309
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:49,160
Speaker 2: and I don't have to travel next week. So next

2310
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:52,000
Speaker 2: week we'll break down the Cleveland Browns coming to town

2311
01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:55,639
Speaker 2: against the Patriots. Will recap this game on Sunday down

2312
01:49:55,720 --> 01:50:01,160
Speaker 2: in Tennessee against the Titans. We'll see you guys then, Hey,

2313
01:50:01,240 --> 01:50:01,840
Speaker 2: this is Alex.

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01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:06,839
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