1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace the so called naked Nanny's 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: damning FaceTime just before she stabbed the little tot's grandpa 3 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: dead with a screwdriver. What I Nancy Grace, this is 4 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. 5 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 2: David On, the beloved patriarch of a thriving family was 6 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: living the dream with his wife and men grandchildren. But 7 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: this picture perfect family was about to face a threat 8 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: from someone they trusted. 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: There is so much misinformation out there right now regarding 10 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: the so called naked nanny's attack on an eighty three 11 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: year old grandpa. First of all, who is Samantha ray Booth. 12 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: Let's take a look at her social I'm. 13 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 3: Having one of those days where I literally want to 14 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:00,639 Speaker 3: tell everybody and everything to the today years old. When 15 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 3: I realized how much has happened to me that I 16 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 3: did not deserve. 17 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: It's like I'm ready. 18 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 3: To throw down from my inner child right now, like 19 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 3: all of this she went through and she didn't deserve. 20 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: When do I get to be a friend? Look at me? 21 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:13,839 Speaker 1: I want to give you right out. 22 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 4: Fear of everybody in this neighborhood. 23 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: Okay that is from at impath dot illuminated on TikTok. 24 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: What is impath dot illuminated? You're going to find out. 25 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 1: But that was so revealing, Okay, leaving me with the question, 26 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: does nobody look on social before they hire someone? That's 27 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,919 Speaker 1: a theoretical that's a rhetorical question. Let me get back 28 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: to the screw driver attack on an eighty three year 29 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: old grandpa. But control room, just amuse me, just for 30 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: a moment. I've got to see Samantha ray Booth again. 31 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: Let's watch this. 32 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 3: I'm having one of those days where I literally want 33 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 3: to tell everybody and everything to the I was today 34 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 3: years old when I realized how much has happened to 35 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: me that I did not deserve. 36 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: It's like I'm. 37 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 3: Ready to throw down from my inner child right now, 38 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 3: Like all of this she went through and she didn't deserve. 39 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: When do I get to be a friend? Look at me? 40 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: I want to fuck me right up. 41 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 4: I fear for everybody in this neighborhood. 42 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: I had a lot of whispering there on the end. 43 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: I'm almost said, I don't even want to know what 44 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: she's saying, but I do because it may be probative. 45 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: In other words, prove something that's from at Impact Dot 46 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: illuminated on TikTok with me an all star panel to 47 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: make sense of what we are learning. A thirty five 48 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: year old woman who has been working periodically for a family, 49 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: a very loving family for two years, suddenly attacks the 50 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: grandpa and stabs him dead with a screwdriver. Now what 51 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: do we know happened that day? Listen? 52 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 5: Psychotherapist Katie On calls on her regular nanny, Samantha Ray 53 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 5: Booths when she's out of town. Booth has been caring 54 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 5: for Ang's three year old for two years. Katie becomes concerned, 55 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 5: which you can't get Booth on the phone just before 56 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 5: eight pm and calls her dad, David ONNG to make 57 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 5: sure everything's okay. 58 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,399 Speaker 1: Okay. Now, first I'm going to go to Dave mag 59 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: joining me in Crime Stories investigative reporter. Some people may 60 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: think that that's out of the ordinary, that you've got 61 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: a nanny with your children and just because she doesn't 62 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: pick up the phone, you then call someone to do 63 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: a welfare check. That would be the grandpa in this case. 64 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: The grandpa eighty three lived in nearby Sea. I don't 65 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: find that odd at all. When I can't get a 66 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: hold of the twins or I couldn't get a hold 67 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: of the nanny. You darn right, I checked on them. 68 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: I don't find that odd at all, Dave mac exactly 69 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: what happened. 70 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 6: Katie on calls her father David and says, go check 71 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 6: on Samantha and make sure everything's okay at the house, 72 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 6: and the police say that that's what he did. He 73 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 6: went to the house to check on Samantha and the 74 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 6: three year old. David Ong arrives at his daughter's five 75 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 6: hundred thousand dollars home in Royal Oaks to check on 76 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 6: his granddaughter, but once he arrives, he too goes silent. 77 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 6: When Katie can't get her father back on the phone, 78 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 6: she calls brother in law Douglas Smith and asks if 79 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 6: he will go to the house. 80 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: So now she's doing a welfare check on the welfare 81 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:24,119 Speaker 1: check on the nanny. You know, I'm very curious. Straight 82 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: out to special guests joining us, the editor of Deadline 83 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: Detroit former Washington Post reporter Alan Alan Langle, thank you 84 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: for being with us. You know this mom is no schlump. 85 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: She has known this nanny, and the nanny, Samantha ray Booth, 86 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: had been nanny for her for two years. Periodically. I've 87 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: done that a million times when I've had Here's a 88 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: great example. When I was working at HLM, I had 89 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: several names. I had a nanny to why the nanny 90 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: watched two nannies with the twins Because of all the 91 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: cases I had covered an investigator, I didn't trust to nanny. 92 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: So I had two nannies for just the four or 93 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: five hours I would be gone, plus a nanny cam, 94 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: and they knew that I was watching them constantly. That said, 95 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: fast forward, Allan, all these years later. I mean, the 96 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: twins didn't need a nanny or a babysitter once they 97 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: started play school because I could take them and pick 98 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: them up. But that said, years later, when my mom, 99 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: who's going to turn ninety four, moved in with us, 100 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: I was worried about her when I would be at work. 101 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: So I call those nannies the very same ones. Now 102 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: they're granny nannies. Okay, So when you know somebody, you 103 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: don't think to check them out and see if they've 104 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: gone crazy on social media because you know them. So 105 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: I don't like people attacking the mom in this scenario, 106 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: But tell me their history as we know. 107 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 7: It, Allan, Well, you know I think particular. I mean, 108 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 7: supposedly they knew each other for two years she was 109 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 7: doing work. I thought it was particularly interesting is that 110 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 7: Katie Young, the mother, is a psychologist who on her 111 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 7: website says she specializes in ADHD to the tension deficit 112 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 7: hyperactivity disorder assessments And basically she works with patients and 113 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 7: assesses them and if they have ADHD, then she refers 114 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 7: them to either psychiatrists or works with that psychiatrist. So 115 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 7: it happens to me that Samantha ray Booth is supposedly 116 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 7: one of her issues is she's ADHD. So I find 117 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 7: it interesting, and so it makes me wondering. I don't 118 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 7: know the answer to it, but it makes me wonder 119 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 7: if she was aware of the situation and she knew 120 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 7: how to deal with. 121 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 4: Her or what. 122 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 7: But I think it's an interesting, at minimum coincidence. 123 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:01,119 Speaker 1: Doctor Jamie Lacy joining Us lies the psychotherap, CEO Life 124 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: Counseling Solutions and author of How to Heal from a 125 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: Toxic Relationship. She is the host of the Resilient Professional 126 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: podcast on YouTube. Doctor Jamie, thank you for being with us. 127 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: According to Samantha ray Booth's brother, she had no history 128 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: of mental illness or drug use. None. So let me 129 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: ask you about ADHD. ADHD does not make you have 130 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: either auditory or visual hallucinations. ADHD is not any sort 131 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: of a mental illness at all. It's a learning issue. 132 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Nancy. 133 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 8: ADHD is a common diagnosis that many people have when 134 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 8: it comes to mostly focused and hyperactivity. So relating ADHD 135 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 8: to potentially what happened, I would say that there's no correlation. 136 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 8: It's not relatable at all. There's probably other possible contributing 137 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 8: factors that probably contributed to this. 138 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: Doctor Janey Lacy, I find it really interesting you mentioned 139 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: psychotic break to John Day joining us a veteran criminal 140 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: defense attorney of John Day law Day, I'm sure that 141 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: you're dancing up and down the hallway now psychotic break. 142 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: First of all, I don't think a jury is going 143 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: to buy psychotic break that leading up to the moment 144 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: she stabs Grandpa dead and then brags about it to police. 145 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: By the way, she knew darn well what she had 146 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: just done. She said that was so easy. I can't 147 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: believe how easy that was. I often did him. Okay, 148 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: a psychotic break, to my understanding, means You're fine up 149 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: to a certain moment when you kill somebody, then right 150 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: after that you're fine again. 151 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 9: She's thirty five years old, right, never apparently, never had 152 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 9: any contact with a police, no police record, no history 153 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 9: of criminal behavior. She's worked with this family for a 154 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 9: couple of years. Mom's a psychotherapist. You would assume that 155 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 9: mom had some insight into behavior and behavioral issues. They 156 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 9: trusted her with the infant for at least since she 157 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 9: was born, apparently, So. 158 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 4: I mean, what else happened? 159 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 9: I mean, you've got police saying that there were some 160 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 9: mushrooms maybe when she was arrested in marijuana. 161 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 4: I've never seen a case. 162 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 9: Where mushrooms in and of themselves led to some type 163 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 9: of a violent murder. So something there's an anomaly here 164 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 9: and we don't know what it is. And if you're 165 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 9: trying to defend this person who's charged with a horrific homicide, 166 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 9: something is not right. Based on the fact that her 167 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 9: thirty five year history, she's clean. So we talk about 168 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 9: a psychotic break, there's something leading up to that. Was 169 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 9: there other potential drug use we don't know about? Is 170 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 9: something else is going to come up? But also I 171 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 9: want to look at what's the bet behavior now, and 172 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 9: what's the behavior while she's sitting in jail? And is 173 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 9: there something here that somebody just obviously miss a sign, 174 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 9: including mom, who is a professional therapist. 175 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: You know, we're putting a lot of the burden on 176 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 1: the mom. I want to remind everyone Dave matt Crimes 177 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: Towards Investigative Reporter. She babysat periodically. She was not the 178 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: full time babysitter for the baby when mom was gone, 179 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: but the mom had known her for two years. There 180 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 1: is no indication at all that she was using drugs 181 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: at the time. She has no history of drugs, and 182 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: her brother says she had no history of drugs or 183 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: mental illness. She just stabbed the grandpa. Okay. Now, the mom, 184 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: who is reportedly out of town for work, has her 185 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: father come over to check on the baby. Then she 186 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: can't get the father on the phone. Sounds like one 187 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: of those horrible horror movies where you pick up the 188 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: phone there's somebody creepy and they're in your home. So 189 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: she says the dad on over. He disappears. So now 190 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: she can't talk to the baby, she can't talk to 191 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: the babysitter, she can't talk to her father, so then 192 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: she says the brother in law over listen. 193 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 5: Smith arrives at the home at nine twenty five pm, 194 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 5: front door wide open. Smith hears noises coming from the 195 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 5: basement and calls out to the nanny. Booth does not respond. 196 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 5: Smith goes down to the basement and he shocked to 197 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 5: find Booth covered in blood and dated on lying on 198 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 5: the floor with severe head injuries. Eighty three year old 199 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 5: doing everything he can to protect his granddaughter. 200 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: Oh Langel, explain to me what happened the brother in 201 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: law comes over, and then what happens? 202 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 7: The brother in law comes over, He goes in the house, 203 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 7: he hears some noise. He calls out the name of 204 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 7: the nanny, and he doesn't hear anything. He goes down 205 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 7: serious and he sees the grandfather on the ground there 206 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 7: in the basement, stabbed, you know, multiple times. He grabs 207 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 7: his niece, his I think it's either two or three 208 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 7: year old niece, and he tries to get out of there. 209 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 7: She comes at him and tries to attack him, and 210 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 7: he fends her off, and he tries to get out 211 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 7: of the house, and she's coming after them. They go 212 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 7: outside and she's still they're trying to run away, and 213 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 7: she's still trying to attack them. Finally, some neighbors let 214 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 7: them into the house, so they call nine one one. 215 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 7: She drops the screwdriver and then she takes off all 216 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 7: her clothes and starts running. 217 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: It's crazy. 218 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 7: And I want to address one thing when we talk 219 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 7: about drug history, and we don't know if drugs played 220 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 7: a role, or if there was just you know, separate 221 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 7: from that, a psychotic episode or whatever. But when people 222 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 7: say drug history, we don't know. I mean she was, 223 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 7: you know, marijuana. Nobody has, as you know, a hiss. 224 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 7: You know, a lot of people who don't know the 225 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 7: person may not know their personal habits, how many drinks 226 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 7: they have, what type of drugs they have. I mean, 227 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 7: obviously she had some drugs in her purse, whether she 228 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 7: we assume that she used those drugs at some point 229 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 7: or another, but we don't know on that particular day. 230 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: Alan, I'm asking you and Dave matt for the facts. 231 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: Did you just say we don't know. Do you have 232 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: even a sentilla of evidence, a shred that this thirty 233 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: five year old woman had a drug problem, any anything 234 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: to base that on at all. No, you don't know. 235 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 4: I mean we have it. 236 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: Where do we keep talking about it? 237 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 7: Well, only because they found the drug. 238 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 4: I mean you're trying. 239 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 7: You're trying to figure out this very irrational behavior. A 240 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 7: person turns on the grandfather, strips her clothes off, running 241 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 7: down the street. I mean, obviously this is not normal behavior. 242 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 7: So you're trying to figure out what it is, possibly 243 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 7: whether it has nothing to do with drugs, whether it 244 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 7: was a psychotic episode or whatever. 245 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 4: But we don't know what. 246 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: I think alan were looking for. I think that you, 247 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: like many other people, are struggling with an issue I 248 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: have whenever I tried a female and I'll tell you 249 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: what that is. To Tom Green, former Chief Deputy Washoe 250 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office Homicide Detective Cole Case Squad, it goes 251 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: on and on and on, owner Nevada Investigative Services, Tom, 252 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: here's the deal. Whenever you have a woman, particularly a 253 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: woman that some people would find attractive. Not me, she 254 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: looks like Bill's abub the Devil's Hince person to me. 255 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: But a woman that some people find attractive, they have 256 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: a really hard time imagining that she's responsible for a murder. 257 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: So we do all sorts of contortion to find a 258 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: way to explain it away, and of course I'm going 259 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: to need a shrink on this, doctor Janey. But have 260 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: you seen that? I mean, let me just throw out 261 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: here's a good one. Top mom incomes top Mom Casey 262 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: Anthony Indicourt and acts demure and sweet and pitiful and 263 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: scared and dominion to actually scrunching down in her seat 264 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: to look smaller, and the jury look den her and thought, no, way, way. 265 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: That's just one example. Have you ever encountered that time 266 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: where people just they'll say, oh, she must have had 267 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: a drug problem. She didn't, she must have filled in 268 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: the blank. She didn't. Why do we do all these 269 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: contortions when the killer, the defendant is a woman. 270 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 10: Well, I think it's just a natural reaction where people 271 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 10: want answers like the why, and we don't always know 272 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 10: the why. You know, I worked a case one time 273 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 10: with a woman was beautiful. She brutally murdered her husband, 274 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 10: and people could not wrap their head around why would 275 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 10: she do that? She looks so nice, she looked so 276 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 10: sweet and innocent. But you know, we heard her own 277 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 10: voice on the video that you played. She has some 278 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 10: underlying issue of some sort. I'm not a psychiatrist. 279 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: No, you're not say we can just stop right there. 280 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: The fact that she may have an under what is 281 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: everybody on this panel trying to think of a way 282 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: to absolve her of stabbing an innocent, unarmed grandpa dead? 283 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: Because I Am not having it. We're pretending she's on drugs. 284 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: We're pretending she had a drug history. We're pretending she 285 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: had a mental illness history. Somebody said maybe she had ADHD. 286 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: We know none of that. Have you all lost your minds? 287 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: When this mother brought her in, she was behaved perfectly, coherently. 288 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: But somehow everyone's doing somersaults and backbands to come up 289 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: with an excuse she has an issue. Well, guess what, 290 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: Tom Green, we all have an issue. I'm a three pets, 291 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: a crippled guinea pig, and a ninety four year old grandma. 292 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: I got a lot of issues, and I deal with 293 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: murder every day. That does not absolve me from stabbing 294 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: an unarmed man with a screwdriver. 295 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 10: I listened to the lieutenant provide his assessment of the 296 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 10: crime scene and response. He's the one that brought up 297 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 10: drug use, He's the one that brought up potential psychosis. 298 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: Can I tell you. I'm going places. The real ones 299 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: are coming with me. I will come back for you. 300 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 6: You know who the you are. 301 00:17:53,280 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 11: The ones who sat there, abandoned me me struggle, didn't 302 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 11: support me. You don't have to see that. 303 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 2: My table in a quiet Michigan town, Katie On hires 304 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: a nanny to care for her young daughter, trusting her completely, 305 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 2: and little does she know that nanny might be harboring 306 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 2: sinister intentions. 307 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: Guys, I want you to see more of this woman. 308 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: Her name is Samantha rape Boost. She's a thirty five 309 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: year old female. This is what she posted online. 310 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 12: Watch be so insecure, and I had no confidence in 311 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 12: who I was. Was in constant survival mode, struggling to 312 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 12: keep anxiety at bay. I was like a walking panic attack. 313 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 12: I drank almost every day. I hated who I was. 314 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 12: I'm eating disorder A. Relationships are tumultuous, especially the one 315 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 12: with myself. 316 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: I finally feel at peace and I feel. 317 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 12: So confident in who I am. Do not give up hope. 318 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: Of course, I'm going to play that about one hundred 319 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: times in front of if there ever is one that's 320 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: from at impact dot illuminated on TikTok to Janey Lacy. 321 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: That's doctor Janie Lacy, renowned psychotherapist and CEO doctor Janey. 322 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of a lightning round? Have you ever? 323 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: It's on game shows? You ever heard of that? 324 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 8: Yes? 325 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 13: I have, Nancy. 326 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: Okay, so you know the rule is a very quick answer, 327 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: as in yes, no, Okay, here we go, lightning round, 328 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: doctor Janie Lacy. Number one is hating yourself a mental disorder? No? 329 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: Is an eating disorder a mental defect. 330 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 8: It's diagnosable. 331 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: But no, So then you just violated the lightning round reels. 332 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: So no, No is drinking a mental defect? Okay. Now 333 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: is anxiety a mental defect? No? Okay, it's in security 334 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: a mental defect. No is being in quote survival mode 335 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: a mental defect. No crime stories with Nancy Grace John 336 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: Day joining me. Did you just hear Samantha ray Booth 337 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:44,239 Speaker 1: online describing all of her issues? Somebody who said that 338 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: it was either Langele or Tom Green or probably Dave 339 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: Max said she's got issues. Yeah, she's got issues. They're 340 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: not mental defects, none of those issues. And she was 341 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: very forthright with all of her issues, aiding disorder, anxiety, 342 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: no confidence in myself? Boo who no confidence in myself, 343 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: a walking panic attack, self hating, self loathing, tumultous relationships. Okay, 344 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: none of those are mental defects, none of them. You're 345 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: going to be hard pressed to use any type of 346 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: a mental defect defense in this case because she's laying 347 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: it all out there. If she's talking about that she 348 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: drank too much, you don't think she'd bore out on 349 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: social media that she also did weed and mushrooms. Of 350 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: course she would have. You know, when you don't know 351 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: a horse, John Day. Look at her track record. She's 352 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: learning everything there is to say about herself on social media. 353 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: She doesn't mention a thing about weed or mushrooms, does she? 354 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 9: So, Nancy, respectfully, I think you're missing the point. Everything 355 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 9: that all these great people on this panel have said 356 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 9: means that I want each one of them on my 357 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 9: jury if I'm defending her, Because what everybody's doing is 358 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 9: using their personal experience. 359 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 4: They're using their observations here. 360 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 9: They're trying to figure out an unfathomable situation, and that's. 361 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 4: What I want my jurors to be doing. 362 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 9: They're trying to use their own life experiences to come 363 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 9: up with some reason because it's hard to wrap your 364 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 9: mind around what happened and why it happened. And if 365 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 9: you don't have an easily graspable, understandable explanation for that, 366 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 9: you're going back to your own life experience. 367 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 4: You're going back to what you know about people. 368 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 9: And what everybody on this panel is doing is coming 369 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 9: up with things that might explain this away. And if 370 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 9: I'm defending this woman, that's what I want my jurors 371 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 9: to be doing. I don't necessarily care if there is 372 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 9: a puzzle piece that fits perfectly in an explanation. I 373 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 9: just want all of them thinking what everybody on this 374 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 9: panel has just been doing, coming up with reasons, coming 375 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 9: up with things that might fit into a rational day explanation. 376 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: Before you finish your closing argument, let me stop you. 377 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: Isn't it's true that you said the jury, we'll try 378 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: to figure out what might have happened. Isn't the standard 379 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: in criminal cases beyond a reasonable doubt, not a hypothesis 380 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: about what might have happened. Little green men from Mars 381 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: may have beams down and stabbed the grandpa dad. That 382 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: may have happened, but it's not a reasonable hypothesis. So 383 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: without information that she absolutely was on drugs, We don't 384 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: have that, and following up, even if we did have that, 385 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: assuming arguendo that we do find out she was on drugs, 386 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: John Day, isn't it true that voluntary use of drugs 387 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: or alcohol is not a defense? 388 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 9: Absolutely true, the voluntary use of drugs. Yeah, But what 389 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 9: you're doing is exactly what I want the juris again 390 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 9: to be doing, because you are trying to rationalize in 391 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 9: the irrational situation, and they're beyond a reasonable outstandard. 392 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: And Jan Green and Alan Langele and Dave Mack are 393 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: trying to rationalize in the irrational situation, because to me 394 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: it's very rational. Grandpa came home to check on the 395 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: baby and he was stabbed dead with a screwdriver, and 396 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: he's unarmed. If she had gotten into magic mushrooms or 397 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: some weed, that's on her. The law is very clear, 398 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: voluntary use of drugs or alcohol is not a defense. Period. Now, 399 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: in some states and jurisdictions you have unless and until 400 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: that person is comatose. But if you're comatose, you can't 401 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: move and stab somebody with screwdrivers. So that's irrelevant here. 402 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: So no matter which way you guys want to turn, 403 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: you're going to have to accept that this woman, who 404 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: you may think looks like your daughter or your sister 405 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: or your mom, that she stabbed an unarmed senior just 406 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: coming to check on the grand baby. Dead dead. You 407 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: know what, let's take another look at this woman. 408 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 11: Being a light worker feels like speaking an entirely different 409 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 11: language that most people around you cannot understand. You feel alone, 410 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 11: You feel isolated. You feel like, how do I have 411 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 11: this understanding of this language that I was not taught. 412 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 11: Society didn't teach me this language, but it came from 413 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 11: the inside. It came from your heart, and you have 414 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 11: this knowing that there is another path that we can 415 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 11: walk down, another way of operating and navigating the world, 416 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 11: and how we treat ourselves and treat nature and treat community. 417 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: Okay, you know there's just so much to drink in 418 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: from that. That's from at mpath dot eliminated on TikTok Okay. 419 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: Doctor Janey Lacy, you're the psychotherapist. I'm just a trial lawyer. 420 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: But I am coming at this from the side of 421 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: the eighty three year old grandfather and his family because 422 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: I know every day, every day I miss my father, Mac, 423 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: who was my soulmate. I miss him every day, and 424 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: I imagine I know that I am projecting that the 425 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: victim's family feels the same way about him. He goes 426 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: in to check on the baby and he gets stabbed 427 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: in multiple times with a screwdriver, and I can't help it. 428 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: I'm putting my dad in his shoes, and I will 429 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: be damn e d if I'm gonna let everybody argue, ooh, 430 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: she got into magic mushrooms, poor thing. Oh hell no, 431 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: that is not gonna work for me. Now Here, she's 432 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: saying she is a quote light worker, and she speaks 433 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: an entirely different language that most people. I guess that's me. 434 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: Cannot understand. You feel alone, isolated. Those are not mental defects. 435 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: How do I understand this language? I was not taught. 436 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: She may be zany, but she is not insane. Because 437 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: she gets in this car. You can see her inner car. 438 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: She sets up a video cam on herself. She loves 439 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: to post online. She's coherent, she's well kept, she's got 440 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: on makeup, she's done her hair. She's talking about I 441 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: guess the cult that she's starting. This woman is not insane, 442 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: Doctor Janey. 443 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 8: I agree with you, Nancy, she had extreme violent behavior. 444 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 8: She took this four innocent man's life who was protecting 445 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 8: his daughter. So when we look at the behavioral presentations 446 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 8: of what is the documented digital record of her life, 447 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 8: she's very conscious in a sense that she's using a 448 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 8: lot of language that shows that she was actually doing 449 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 8: her inner work. She used the word in her child, 450 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 8: she's using the light worker. She believes that she's a 451 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 8: light to humanity and has a higher consciousness. So this 452 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 8: is the record from her saying that she's she's seen, 453 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 8: she's present, and that she's doing her work, so to 454 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 8: speak from her potential trauma that she alluded to in 455 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 8: some of her previous videos that you show that is 456 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 8: not someone who I. 457 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: Gotta ask you a question. She's not jamiel Ice. I'm 458 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: just wondering if you function. You know when medical doctors 459 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: don't like you to go to WebMD. They hate it 460 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: when you google what you perceive, And of course I 461 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: do it on myself. Everybody around me. I google their 462 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: symptoms and I diagnose them. Do you just hate it 463 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: when somebody has read so many self help books that 464 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: they diagnose themselves and start treating themselves. What is an 465 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: inner child? I've heard that a lot. What does that mean? 466 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: That she refers to the inner child and the third person. 467 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 14: So basically what the inner how comes from, it comes 468 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 14: from childhood trauma work. So the childhood trauma work is 469 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 14: if someone has experienced trauma in their history that they 470 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 14: get stuck at that point or they had some type 471 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 14: of emotional needs that was not met. So the inner 472 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 14: child means the adult self goes back and protects. It's 473 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 14: kind of like you become your own parent and you 474 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 14: go back and you acknowledge the things that you needed 475 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 14: as a young child or the things that you that happened. 476 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 8: To you are not your fault. So it's connecting your 477 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 8: adult self with your inner with the parts of you 478 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 8: that were frozen and what we call frozen that were 479 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,479 Speaker 8: unhealed things that have happened in your history. It's related 480 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 8: to a lot of trauma work. 481 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to try to drink in everything that 482 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: you just said. That's a lot, and I'm very curious 483 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: about why Samanta ray Booth is diagnosing herself. She does 484 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: not have a mental defect except that she had an 485 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: eating disorder and she has self loathing and she drinks 486 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: too much. That said, let's listen to her on her 487 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: higher purpose of bringing light, love, and healing to the world. 488 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 11: Being a light worker feels like speaking an entirely different 489 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 11: language that most people around you cannot understand. You feel alone, 490 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 11: You feel isolated. You feel like, how do I have 491 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 11: this understanding of this language that I was not taught. 492 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 11: Society didn't teach me this language, But it came from 493 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 11: the inside. 494 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: It came from your heart. 495 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 11: And you have this knowing that there is another path 496 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 11: that we can walk down, another way of operating and 497 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 11: navigating the world, and how we treat ourselves and treat 498 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 11: nature and treat community. 499 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: From mpath Dot illuminated on TikTok. 500 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 2: Concerned after not hearing from the nanny, Katie asks her 501 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 2: father David to check on her daughter. 502 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: Upon arrival, he discovers his granddaughter missing. What happens next 503 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: The grandpa comes in eighty three the daughter does it? 504 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: Hear back from him? She says, brother in law over. 505 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: He walks in and Samantha ray Booth comes out, I'm 506 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: like a bat out of hell. Just keep that visual. 507 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: Wielding a screwdriver, he somehow manages to pick up the 508 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: tap girl and run. Listen to this. 509 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 5: Smith and his knees are sent to the hospital. First 510 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 5: responders tend to David Ong in the basement, the eighty 511 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 5: three year old man his family calls the General Giant 512 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 5: is laying on the floor massive injuries to his head. 513 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 5: Long is pronounced dead on the scene in the basement, 514 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 5: giving up his own life protecting his three year old granddaughter. 515 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: Straight out to a special guest joining us. Doctor Thomas Coin, 516 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: the Chief Medical Examiner District to Medical Examiner's Office, State 517 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: of Florida. He is a forensic pathologist, he's a toxicologist. 518 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: He is a neuropathologist, and you can find him on 519 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: x at doctor T. M. Coin Coyne. Doctor Coin, thank 520 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: you for taking time away from your crushing schedule of 521 00:31:53,040 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: autopsies tell me about a screw driver attack. And covered 522 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: and investigated myself so many homicides, I've often thought a 523 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: knife attack is worse than a shooting. It's just a 524 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: gut reaction. Having investigated so many cases and tried so 525 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: many cases, but I haven't contemplated death by screwdriver. Are 526 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: the puncture rooms with a screwdriver different from the puncture 527 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: rooms from a knife, Well. 528 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 15: They tend to be smaller, right, because the diameter of 529 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 15: the screwdriver is much smaller than the blade of a knife, 530 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 15: and so you tend to have either circular or flat 531 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 15: wounds depending on type of screw driver. So I can 532 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 15: imagine if you've ever used the Phillips head screwdriver, the 533 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 15: tip of that screwdriver comes down to a point, there's 534 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 15: like a little X there, and in the skin of 535 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 15: a person who's been stabbed by Philip said screw driver, 536 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 15: you may actually see a circular hole with an X 537 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 15: mark where that tip penetrated through the skin, whereas a 538 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 15: flat heead screwdriver you may see a small, little flat 539 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 15: slit with blunt, little abrasions. And so you tend to 540 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 15: have characteristic wounds that are smaller than a knife and wound, 541 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 15: and you'll see them distributed very often, you know, in 542 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 15: critical areas. 543 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: Okay, now, dodger coin, I'm going to do it yourself 544 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: for And there are a lot of different sizes of screwdrivers. 545 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: It could be the little egpety one that you do 546 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: your eyeglasses with if you wear eyeglasses, or the really 547 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: big ones that we use when my son was doing 548 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: this eagle Scout project. So why are you assuming it's 549 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: a small screwdriver. 550 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 13: Well, I'm not assuming. I'm just saying that the actual 551 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 13: diameter of. 552 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 15: The screwdriver itself, so regardless of whether it's a long screwdriver, 553 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 15: the actual diameter of the of the two person itself. So, 554 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 15: for instance, you know, when you see a wound and 555 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 15: a person that may be like a less than half 556 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 15: of an inch, where I believe, let's say of a 557 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 15: regular let's say stake knife that you have in your house, 558 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 15: maybe an inch or two inches, and so the actual 559 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 15: wound itself tends to be smaller, often circular, especially if 560 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 15: you're using As Philip said. 561 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: You know, there's something about an attack with a screwdriver, 562 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: doctor Coin. I feel that it would be even more 563 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: painful than a knife attack because the screwdriver the point 564 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: is more blunt and it would be harder to pierce 565 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: the skin. I'm sure you can verbalize my reaction. What 566 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: would you how would you respond to that? 567 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 13: Well, I think you know, I mean, it's a lot 568 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 13: easier for a knife. 569 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 15: To go in because it has a cutting edge, so 570 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 15: it'll go through the skin much easier, requires less force. 571 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 15: When're using a more blunt object, you have to use 572 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 15: much more force. So yeah, I would imagine each blow 573 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 15: would be more forceful. I'm assuming a person who's being 574 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 15: attacked is probably also in a state of shock, so 575 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 15: they may not. 576 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 13: Feel the pain up front. 577 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 15: But what's really the problem here is if it's a 578 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 15: long screwdriver, number one, it can go in further, so 579 00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 15: it could penetrate the heart. 580 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 13: And if you hit a critical. 581 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 15: Area like the temporal portion of your skull, the thinnest 582 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 15: part of our skull, that screwdriver, if you're using in 583 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 15: a forest, can go right into the brain, and so 584 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 15: you can incapacitate a person pretty fast. 585 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 13: You hit the right spot. 586 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, you know, doctor Coyne, I 587 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: was noticing. What we've been able to glean so far 588 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: is that the grandpa eighty three years old had a 589 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: lot of injuries to the head and face, which I 590 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: find not only privative as to why someone stabs a 591 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: victim in the face. But you just said temple, temple area. 592 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: You think of a temple somewhere you worship. Why is 593 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: that part of your your head called the temple? 594 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 13: That's a good question. I don't know. 595 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 15: The original Greek anatomists, who are all of the bones. 596 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 15: It's the temporal bone, so that's probably where it derives 597 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 15: his name from. 598 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 12: And so the. 599 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 15: Temple region is the area of skin to overlies our 600 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 15: temporal bone. I don't know the meaning behind why they 601 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 15: chose that particular word, but that's that's why we refer 602 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,240 Speaker 15: to it as a temple. 603 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: Well, she's not called the naked nanny for nothing, But 604 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: try to put your prurient thoughts aside and listen to 605 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: what Samantha ray Booth said. 606 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 5: After the killing, Samantha ray Booth drops the screwdriver and 607 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,280 Speaker 5: her clothes. When police arrives, she's completely naked, covered in blood, 608 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 5: and takes off running through the neighborhood. Officers apprehend the 609 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 5: thirty five year old nanny and place her in the 610 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 5: squad car, where she begins to brag about the damage 611 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 5: she just caused to the og family, allegedly tailling officers, 612 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 5: I f him up, and yes. 613 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:53,720 Speaker 1: I did it. 614 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 4: It was too easy. 615 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:03,439 Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. Alan Langele joining us editor of 616 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: Deadline Detroit formerly with the Washington Post as an investigative reporter. 617 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,839 Speaker 1: That's not easy to get to. Alan. Let me rephrase 618 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 1: the so called naked nanny says, I have him up, 619 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,240 Speaker 1: and yes I did it. It was just too easy. 620 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: There's your poor wounded dear that you're all trying to 621 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: exonerate with acclaimed drug problem or mental defect, bragging about 622 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: killing Grandpa. 623 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 7: I don't think any of us are trying to exonerate. 624 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 4: I think, as other people have said. 625 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 7: We're trying to understand how the switch got clicked from 626 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 7: this very what appeared to be caring nanny, a very articulate, 627 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 7: introspective person, to really an insane person who just lost it. 628 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 7: And when we talk about the circumstances, she's charged with 629 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 7: first degree murder, which, if you look at the totality 630 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,800 Speaker 7: of the circumstances, and I defer to the lawyers here, 631 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 7: be pretty hard. First degree murder in Michigan is mandatory 632 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 7: life without parole. Second degree murder can be life, but 633 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 7: with the possibility of parole, and so in the totality 634 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 7: of just all the circumstances, I think you'd be hard 635 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 7: pressed to convict or plea to first degree in there. 636 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 7: But I don't think any of us are. I don't 637 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,760 Speaker 7: think any of us are trying to say she should 638 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 7: be exonerated. It's insane. I mean, it was a brutal, 639 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 7: brutal thing of an elderly gentleman who seemed very loving 640 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,800 Speaker 7: and caring, had four children, had a very successful career, 641 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 7: cared about his grandchild. It's a tragedy. It's horrific, and 642 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 7: none of us are saying she should go free. The 643 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 7: question will be whether she's currently mentally confident to stand 644 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 7: trial if she were to go to trial. 645 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 4: But I'm not trying to make excuses. 646 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: Because she's stripped just because well you are, you are? 647 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: Why are you saying she's really incompetentd behavior? 648 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 4: It's insane behavior. I'm sorry. 649 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: Her murder is insane, while all the other murders they 650 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: make perfect sense. Oh yes, no, well you are doing 651 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 1: this because she's young and cute and you like what 652 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 1: she's doing on TikTok. Yeah, you're all making excuses for her. 653 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, and you know what else you did? 654 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 1: What else you did? You You can't be on the 655 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: jury because you're already worried about sentencing. John Day, I 656 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: know you're not gonna like this, but you have tried 657 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: a lot of cases, and isn't it true the jury 658 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,800 Speaker 1: is not to be concerned about sentencing. They are to speak. 659 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: They are to render a verdict that speaks the truth. 660 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: And you guys don't like it because she's young and 661 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: to you guys, she's cute and you can't imagine her 662 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: committing a murderer. So she's gotten to be insane or 663 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,280 Speaker 1: have a mental defect. He's already worried. He's already saying 664 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: Lango is already saying, should you live with that Burrow? 665 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: We can't do that to her. Oh, yes you can. 666 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 9: No matter what the judge says, every juror considers the 667 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 9: effects of a conviction one way or the other, and 668 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 9: no matter the judge is going to say, put that 669 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 9: in your minds, it's not your job. But the reality is, Nancy, 670 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 9: we both know from doing trial work that that's not 671 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 9: what jurors do. 672 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 4: They have that somewhere in the back of their minds, 673 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 4: so we can't we can't pretend that they're not going 674 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 4: to be thinking about that. 675 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 9: But again, what everyone's doing is what I if I 676 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 9: was defending this case as a private lawyer or public defender, 677 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 9: would be thinking about, would want the jury to think. 678 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 7: About, Samantha, can you cover yourself and come to the 679 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,800 Speaker 7: window like the attorney said, this is going to happen 680 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 7: whether you wanted. 681 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 4: To or not, so we might as well just getting 682 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 4: done with. Okay, he's trying to help you. 683 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:48,480 Speaker 1: He's laying on the floor. 684 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,320 Speaker 4: At the moment, completely naked. You're middle of the sill. 685 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,359 Speaker 1: John Day is joining us, veteran criminal defense attorney who 686 00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:01,720 Speaker 1: founded John Day Law. John, do you have children? 687 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 13: I do. 688 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: Did you ever have one throw themselves in the floor 689 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: and have a fit. 690 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 4: I'm sure it happened, but it may have been, you know, 691 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 4: age two or three. 692 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: Possibly, yes, Okay, both of my children one time, each 693 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: one of them, Lucy and John David flung themselves in 694 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: the floor and had a fit, kicking, screaming, yanking at 695 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,879 Speaker 1: their clothes, the whole thing. I just looked at them 696 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 1: and walked off. And guess what that worked? Here to 697 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: Alan Langele, we have Samantha ray Booth throw herself in 698 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: the floor of her cell and strip when it's time 699 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,879 Speaker 1: for arrayment, not before, not after, but just when it's 700 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: time for arrayment. Talk about attention seeking. I'm just putting 701 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: it out there, thoughts. 702 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 7: I mean, she could be manipulative, she could be you know. 703 00:41:55,239 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 7: I mean the message is I'm crazy I'm insane just 704 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:01,880 Speaker 7: in the totality of. 705 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 4: The whole thing there. 706 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 7: But could she be creating drama? Does she know what 707 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 7: she's doing? You know, it's hard to say. I think 708 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 7: obviously she needs to be evaluated to oh, yes, getting it, 709 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 7: you know. 710 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: So with that, Alan Langele, I agree. I don't want 711 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,360 Speaker 1: anyone with a mental defect put into GPA general population. 712 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,759 Speaker 1: They will be horribly tormented, torture taken advantage of. I 713 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: don't want that. I also don't want a killer to 714 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,760 Speaker 1: walk free. Dave mac did I just hear you state 715 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 1: under your breath pretty is as pretty does? Did you 716 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 1: say that? Yeah? What do you mean by pretty is 717 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:48,760 Speaker 1: as pretty does? 718 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 6: Because you've mentioned that, you know, we might think she's attractive, 719 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 6: and that's why we're trying to justify her actions. And 720 00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,440 Speaker 6: I'm saying, no, absolutely not. You know, you're as pretty 721 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 6: as your actions are, and her actions are filthy and evil, 722 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 6: and I'm not looking for a reason to justify her actions. 723 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 6: I am looking at Satan who just showed up and 724 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 6: put a screwdriver in eighty three year old man's head. 725 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,279 Speaker 13: Over and over. 726 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:24,240 Speaker 1: Question what happens now, Dave Matt She has been naked, 727 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 1: arraigned for premeditated murder. What's happening next? 728 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,880 Speaker 6: No bail for her and she actually is scheduled for 729 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,520 Speaker 6: her next court appearance on the seventh. 730 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: Well, John Day will have a field day putting all 731 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 1: of you on his jury. He's already revealed his trial 732 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 1: tactic and he might just succeed. This case is being 733 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 1: built now, and we have heard from her boyfriend who 734 00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 1: says just before the stabbings that she stated she knew 735 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: the grandpa was coming over to relieve her for a 736 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:10,759 Speaker 1: meal break. That's damning. It's damning because she was in 737 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: her right mind and she was not surprised by the 738 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: grandpa when he came in the door. That is a 739 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: damning FaceTime, and I expect he will be called as 740 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 1: a state's witness. If you know or think you know 741 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,760 Speaker 1: anything about this case, please dial the Royal Oak PD 742 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:34,239 Speaker 1: two four eight two four six three thousand, repeat two 743 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: four eight two four six three thousand. We remember an 744 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 1: American hero, Senior Patrol Officer Daniel Ellis Richmond p D. Kentucky, 745 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,720 Speaker 1: shot and killed in the line of duty after seven 746 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: years serving and protecting, leaving behind his wife turned widow, 747 00:44:54,200 --> 00:45:00,319 Speaker 1: Katie and son Luke American Hero. Senior Patrol Office, Sir 748 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 1: Daniel Ellis, Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend, m HM