WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Siedah Garrett 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.240 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:11.720 episode was produced by the team at Pandora Ladies and Gentlemen. 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:18.520 This is Quest Love Supreme Classic and what can I say? 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:23.759 Sayta Garrett is such a legend legendary writer, legendary performer, 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:28.800 one of the most exciting episodes and stories that we've 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.720 had on Quest Love Supreme. I hope you enjoyed as 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:36.360 much as we enjoyed doing it. This is Sayta Garrett's 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.680 QLs classic from May twenty seventeen. 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:55.640 All Right, Supremo Supremo ro Suprema su Supremo roll, Suprema 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:01.120 Supremo Ro Suprema. 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.480 So Supreme roll. What's love got a theory? 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:04.039 Yeah? 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.840 I thought y'all should know. Yeah that Jamli flavored yogurt 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:19.920 might be jumpas Supremo Supreme role. My name is Sugar. Yeah, 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:25.959 I'm never scared. Yeah even when Yeah, I'm unprepared. 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:33.840 Bro Supreme some some Supreme roll call Supreme sup Supremo. 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:36.680 Role called I'm on pay Bill, Yeah, flew in to 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:41.880 see you Yeah, and I will not Yeah say about mirrors. 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:51.080 Supreme s My name is Boss Bill. 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.280 Got here in a rush, was back at the hotel 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.640 Jammy Twosome, Plush Supreme. 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:05.920 Son Supremo, roll cal Subprema So some Supremo roll call. 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.760 I'm lie yeah, and I just can't stop smiling, Yeah 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:13.520 because I wa Yeah, ain't gonna need to be rhyming ro. 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:18.160 Supremo, Who call. 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:21.679 Son Son Supremo. 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:25.799 Roll call my name saa Yeah, and I'm from Compton. Yeah. 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:31.200 When I'm not singing. Yeah, y'all know, I'm bumping Suprema. 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:37.959 So Supremo, roll call Suprema something something Supremo, roll call 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:41.040 Suprema something something Supremo. 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:48.600 Roll call Suprema something something Supremo. Roll call, Ladies and Gentlemen. 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.760 That was the most confident a guest of this yeah, 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:55.959 ever for someone who was very anxious about doing it, 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:57.359 came right in and nailed it. 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:00.880 Yeah, Ladies and gentlemen. Was panicking all of when we warned. 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:04.320 Her about I will not be ushered. You. 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:11.919 You You're the winner of the most confident delivery. Ladies 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:15.040 and gentlemen. Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme, 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:19.440 only on Pandora. I'm your host Quest Love, I'm the 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:24.040 Punk Guard and I brought Team Supreme today. Uh sports references. Yeah, 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.720 my power forward is boss, Bill, our fearst leader and 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.960 sometimes coach. What's up? How you doing? Yeah, plus record, 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:34.720 it's kind of dope, Yeah, it is, it is. It's awesome. Yeah. 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:39.160 My shooting guard is a sugar Steve, our audio genius 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.360 and god of punchlines. How you I can shoot the 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.839 three too? From downtown You can't. 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:50.320 Yeah, they still call me Downtown Stevie Brown. That's I 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:56.880 can shoot the three pise. Okay, that is not why 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:01.200 they called you. That small forward is paid Bill small 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.600 the first time ever be called small very much. Yeah, 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:05.800 I'll take a small forward. 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:10.760 Bill. You are information and uh life lesson recorder. That's 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.280 what I do. Yeah, that's what you do. And our center, 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:16.120 I'll take that. 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:17.680 I actually was the center in the Boys and Girls 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:18.760 club on my basketball team. 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:19.880 On the bench. 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:23.240 Our center is aka Sweet Margaret for. 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:24.480 Her sign age. That's right. 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:28.680 I'll take the organized stress. And you know she she 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:33.800 keeps us in line. Our guest today, Uh, she kind 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:34.719 of takes forward. 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:36.880 Guest center six. 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:43.679 Man visiting the assistant coach. Yeah yeah, yeah, our guest today, 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:48.640 she takes what I'll say, Uh, she'll take the title. 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:51.560 She's living that Renaissance life and she takes it to 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:56.120 the next level. Uh, for over three decades side the 0:04:56.200 --> 0:05:03.320 Garrett has done it all name it, singing, h acting, songwriting, arranging, producing, directing, 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:07.720 and conceptualizing. She's kind of like my favorite type of artists, 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:11.880 which she's basically you know, she's dependable. She shows up 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:18.039 on time, actually early. She Yeah, she shows up early 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.640 and basically you know, I think that she also inspires 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.680 uh others to be their best. And she comes through 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:30.640 in the clutch, ah with with with the winning shot. 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:35.240 And uh, not only has she worked the coach, does 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:41.920 the coach take the shot? Well, this time she is 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:43.440 in the fist of Saint Pittsburgh. 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.320 Let's not talk about sports, okay, really a bunch of 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:48.200 music people anyway. 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:55.120 I will say that not only not only has she, 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.560 in my opinion, work with the best, but I actually 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.919 believe that those that you her gifts and her talent 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.760 do so because she is actually the best at it 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:15.160 at what she does. Taxis you know, being at a 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.880 duetting the all time what I call barbecue classic don't 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:22.719 look any further, two step classics or one of Quincy 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:27.400 Jones's most reliable go to lyricists, depending U dare I 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:32.520 say it probably Michael Jackson's most important song. I think 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:34.800 Man in the Mirror is his most important song. I mean, 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.839 people are their favorites, and people have their go to classics, 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.920 but you know, like John Lennon has imagined that's his 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:41.680 cry song. 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:42.520 That's the one that makes. 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:46.240 Michael Michael Jackson has Man in the Mirror. That's it. 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.599 I feel like that's one of his most important songs. 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.560 To her Oscar nominated work for the animated film Rio 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:54.520 and for dream Girls, which you want to grab me 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:59.320 for correct I did. Absolutely, I'm still on their homework. Absolutely, 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:06.000 welcome to saw you to Garrette Love Supreme. Yeah, thank you. 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:11.600 You're from Compton, Yeah, what about it? Really? 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:12.320 Yeah? 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:17.440 One hundred nineteenth and Wilmington, honey content straight up Watts. 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:23.240 You know, I have to say that probably the period 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:27.520 that where I ran into you the most was during 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:33.280 UH your your time with UH with brand new heavies. 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:34.720 What are you doing? The smoking grooves? 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.160 And you know what, I watched you cletely forgot about. 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:43.400 That, but I watched you every night because the thing 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.560 you're you're I'm sure you've heard this a lot. You're 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.080 you're very magnetic personnality. 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:53.720 Darling. I can't hear it enough? When is your cancer? 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.200 I'm a moon child. I'm a moon child. 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.720 Well, yeah, you're very magnetic. And so it was to 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.760 the point where, like every night I was watching Guys 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:04.880 when you were on, even though it was I think 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.120 he only did like three weeks of that run. 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:13.080 But they smoked and grooveed me out. I was done data. 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:17.080 Yeah, but I really, I really didn't want to overwhelm 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:22.200 you with the fandom because even Beckfn like, I'm sure 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:26.120 that you just get overwhelmed with people asking you like, man, 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:26.840 so tell. 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.880 Me what it's like when I can't hear it's enough. 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:32.920 I'm telling you this interview. Yeah, I was about to 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:34.880 say this is this is show which all we do 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:36.920 is we geek out on this show. 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:43.240 Remember when Michael Jackson that was awesome? Remember when that's 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.280 all we're gonna do. Remember that song you wrote for 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:46.640 Preferred Camel. 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:49.400 Awesome, It's really good. 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:51.439 You guys is stupid. 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.920 Only on Pandora. So you were born in and raised 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:57.360 in Compton. 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.840 I was born at Saint Francis Hospital and Lynn It's California, 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:04.480 and spent the happiest part of my childhood on one 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:09.440 hundred and nineteenth in Wilmington. Okay, mm hmmm, so raised 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:11.600 by my grandmother who's passed. 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:15.640 Now, what was it? What was Compton Lincoln? 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:19.360 Because of course, okay, they had gangs, they had the 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.520 crips and all that, but the worst that the crips 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:24.920 would do to you if they caught you out was 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:29.040 steal your jacket. Really, that was it, dude, that they 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:32.679 would just steal your leather jacket, that jacket, and that 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:33.040 was it. 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:37.559 Now they're shooting people and killing brothers, and I'm you know, 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.079 I'm glad I'm from there, but I'm glad I'm not 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:41.040 in it right now. 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.160 I did time in Compton for a little bit. Yeah, 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.599 what kind of time when my parents were recording the 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:52.679 Congress Alley record. My grandmom lived in Compton, but my 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.520 cousins were all crips, and so to my parents just 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:00.880 made you know, me wearing blue. So you, Derby, you 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:02.920 were in Compton while your parents were working on a 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:12.440 record that would be sampled for a Compton classic. Nice thoughtful, 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:15.000 black man, well done. How crazy that was? That was 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:20.320 a great meta classic reference. Bill Bill's referring to nothing 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.560 but a cheap thing that yeah, we still haven't got 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:28.199 paid for someone. You might be able to get something. 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.319 He got a couple of all he can afford it. 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:35.880 So did you grow up in a musical family or 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:37.400 what's your musical beginnings. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.520 Well, my mom was in a singing group with her 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.120 twin sister and her baby sister, and they were trying 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:46.920 to pop off when the Supremes were happening, so they 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:48.520 called themselves. 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:49.720 The other Three. 0:10:56.800 --> 0:11:00.520 So dude, I would watch them rehearse and they would 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.000 have their matching outfits and they do their makeup and 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.240 everything and go out and perform in one of these 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:07.520 things they called. 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:12.760 A nightclub, And I was like, what is a nightclub? 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.679 That just sounds so hot? Like I want to go 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:16.520 to a night club? 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:17.000 Can we go? 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:18.160 Can we out? 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.240 No, you can't go to no nightclub. But it's a 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:25.120 night club that just sounds so fun and you guys 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:27.599 are dressed up and you're singing, and I want to 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:28.720 go to the nightclub? 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:29.520 Right? 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:32.520 Did no? Really? 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:33.760 Oh? Why? 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:34.040 I was so? 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:36.839 I was like eight or nine, and I was just 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.440 fascinated with the idea of those two words going together. 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:42.160 Night club? 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:43.079 What is that? 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:44.679 I wanted to be a part of that. 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:48.559 I think that's where the seed was planted. But my 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:53.360 mother was a blenda. She's not a soloist, she was 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:57.000 a blenza. So I think I learned about harmonies and 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:01.160 stuff like that. In fact, my first recording game was 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:05.079 with H R and B artist DJ Rogers. 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:05.760 Oh yes. 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.120 So it was right after the Say You Love Me album. 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:10.600 The next album he was. 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:15.199 Recording, Oh that's one of my favorite sor that's your Heart. 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:18.640 So my mother was his interior decorator, and she was 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.240 hanging wallpaper in his house and she's like, you know, DJ, 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.800 my daughter can sing. He's like your daughter, my plumber's son, 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.839 the maid's nephew. Everybody gets no, no, but my mother 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:33.280 was very very persistent. He said, all right, bring her by, 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:34.680 but if she can't sing, I don't want to hear. 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.720 I don't wan hear shit else. I don't hear nothing else. 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:39.760 So my mother brought me to his house and he 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:41.960 sat me down on the piano bench and he said, okay, 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.240 sing this, and he plays some riff and I say it, 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:44.920 and he looked. 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:49.960 At me like, oh, okay, sing this. So he played 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.559 something a little more intricate and I sang that and 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.960 he literally pushed me off the bench. 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:57.920 I fell on the floor and next thing I know, 0:12:57.920 --> 0:12:59.880 a couple of days later, I'm in the studio sing 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:04.840 background with these amazing singers and just blending in the harmonies. 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.200 They were just so luscious and I was on a high. 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:11.800 And I came home and three weeks later I got. 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:12.640 A check. 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:16.199 And I was like, this is some shit I think 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.559 I could do on a regular basis. And I think 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:20.719 that's what started it. It was like, that was my 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.040 first official recording session. 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:24.280 What album was it? 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:28.240 On? The album after the Say after Say You Love Me? 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:29.360 I forgot the name of it. 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.720 So that might be love music in life. 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:33.199 There you go. 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:35.480 Yes, that sounds like it. That sounds like it. 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:37.960 Shit, I have e recon Yes, okay. 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.520 Playing you'll hear me in the background bag I will 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:44.280 do so with the silstles. 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.120 So that's when you were a teenager? 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:49.840 Yes, I was but a child at the time. 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:54.440 Yes, So when did you When did you decide? Were 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.160 you the only one in your family that had musical aspirations? 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:57.480 Did you know? 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:01.679 My mom did? But that didn't Evidently that didn't work 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:02.199 out too well. 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:06.840 But siblings or my sister wishes she could sing, Oh 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.640 my god, my sister wishes she could sing so badly, 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:11.720 but you can't send you so. 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.160 I can tell you already I'm still going to love 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:36.680 this interview. Yeah, we're not even a love So when 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:44.120 when did you officially? I mean I guess when did 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:44.920 you officially start? 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:45.040 Like? 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.480 How did the Plus? Was plus your first situation? 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:48.160 Yes? 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:49.760 It was my first signage? 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:54.360 Really how did you? How did you? How did you 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:55.160 run into Renee? 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:55.240 And? 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.720 I think I met them through my record label? You 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:03.600 were signed to I was signed to Quest, which fell 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:05.640 into Warner Brothers. 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:09.080 Wait, how you were signed the Quest before you did. 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:11.800 The post problem. No, that was pre that was prequency. 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:12.200 You're right. 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:16.480 I signed R Yes, yes, RC Records and they were 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:21.640 staff producers there, Angela. It wasn't a very pleasant experience, 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.840 so I don't want to elaborate on that anyway. None 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:34.760 is an asshole? Can My manager is like freaking out 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:36.520 right now, But I really don't care because he was 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.920 he really is. Okay, we won't He was so mean 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:44.280 to me, so freaking I ran into him thirty years later, 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:45.479 working with Michael. 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:47.880 Two months ago, I ran into him at the gas station. 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:49.240 I saw him. 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.160 Like I didn't see him really, Yeah, he was plumping 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.720 gas now two months ago, yes, just a couple of 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:56.120 months ago. 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:58.560 I ran into him and uh, he said something about 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.360 I drove around him because he was parked, and I 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:03.680 drove around his car and he shouted something. 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:08.200 Like, hey, lady, you can't even drive, so you didn't 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:08.600 even know he. 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:11.600 Knew it. 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.320 And then he went in and I was trying to 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.960 get out of the lot and he just finished pumping 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:22.480 his gas and he said, hi, Saita, and I said hi, Renee, 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.080 and he said, I was trying to say that was 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.240 me that was saying something smart you. I said, I know, 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:33.560 that's why ignored your ass, because it was anyway, no 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:34.280 love lost. 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.560 See, I was even going for the Renee angle because 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:42.360 what I wanted to know was it was also highly unusual, 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:48.120 uh for LEA producers to be female, which Angel right, 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:51.720 and because when was the album recorded. 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.920 Late late early eighties or late seventies. 0:16:56.400 --> 0:17:00.320 I think there you go. Okay, So what I'm saying 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:02.360 that that was a highly unusual. 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.480 Their whole situation was unusual, and they were very very 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:08.800 successful at it at the time. 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:11.520 So what was it like under her tutelage? 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.399 Like I said, it wasn't all pleasant, darling. Okay, so 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.800 from the look on my manager's face and the stuff right. 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:22.240 Now, okay, damn, before it goes all. 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.719 The way to the heel of my shoe that's been 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:27.040 inserted in my mouth. 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:30.880 This is this is this is one. This is one observation. 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:38.480 Let me just let you know, let me let you 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.640 know that we're not in the burning bridges here Quest 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:45.159 Supreme only like a little not all, a little bit 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:49.680 bridge Madison County. 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:52.639 I will move on. 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:52.879 No. 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.840 I hadn't started writing yet, so I was just signed 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:57.119 as a you know, a singer in. 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.439 This group and they remembers were there. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.800 There was myself and two other guys. I'm sorry, dude, 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:04.639 the other three shut up. 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.919 Yeah, we were plushed and that record lasted like a summer. 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:10.000 But it was fun to make. 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:14.280 Okay, Okay. I was going to say that the your 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:17.280 solo turne the I Don't Know where love comes from? 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:23.400 There's what the second to last song one side. 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:28.920 To killing you are killing me right now? No, no, no, no, 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:32.440 But remember the single from that album, let alone, this 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.080 third song on plaid two what what? 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.520 But here's the thing that let's that's how this works. 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:40.479 It's like you have to remember your career. But if 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:45.960 you don't they do. Yeah, wait a question about around 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.480 I know, so I want to I want to play 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:51.800 a little bit of it because there's a very interesting 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.200 uh uh observation. 0:18:54.480 --> 0:19:16.400 Give me all right, where is it a mark? 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:18.880 Okay? Well, I was waiting for the ad lib to come. 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:23.520 But the reason why I wanted to ask about this 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:28.200 song is the fact that I found it very interesting 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:34.440 that even though this album came out before Thrilling, you 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:41.000 channeled one of Mike's iconic ad libs before he even 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:45.920 got to capitalize on it, which told me you must 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:50.159 be a deep Michael Jackson fan because his trademark he 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:55.520 he really wasn't a thing until it was a thing 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:57.920 Thriller came out. I mean he did it once on 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.479 Walk right now. He kind of did it working day 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:01.720 and night. I mean he did a lot on the 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:05.800 live record, but by that point for you to reference. 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:08.640 That, he I want to hear this rip so bad 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:09.080 right now? 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:12.680 That was it right exactly? 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:13.879 You know what? 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:16.840 Wow? 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:19.160 And that's the thing. I was like, wait a minute, 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:23.040 this came out before my god, I have. 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:25.560 No idea, but you know what, I sound a lot 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:28.240 like Angela. She was producing that vocal. 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:32.840 They wanted me to be her, and it was killing me. 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:36.320 Every song I had to sing it like she sang it, 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:37.360 because she did all the demo. 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:38.400 Yeah. 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:40.440 So, like she said, that doesn't even sound like me, 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:41.439 that sounds like Angela. 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:46.520 Well, I mean, I still I was. I have a 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:49.639 soft spot in my heart for like really good obscure 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:56.120 boogie era music, like between seventy nine and eighty three, 0:20:56.240 --> 0:21:00.440 like I love it, pre prints post disco like that zone. 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:03.640 So yeah, but sweet spot, man, I love the fact 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:08.760 that you managed to reference an iconic ad lib before 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:12.360 that iconic ad lib even got to the icon raised 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:14.280 the heights. But that's that's sort of the Dewey Bey 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:18.680 stuff we do here. I love it. Free. So you 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:21.160 said that the group and that it only lasted the summer, 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:22.160 so that the group imploded. 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:29.320 Truly, Plush got flushed basically from our records. 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:32.159 Not even one show or two shows or. 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:37.320 Really it was I think it was just right off 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:39.200 kind of thing, you know whatever. 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:43.879 But did you get the days, my friend, did you 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:45.000 get anything out. 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:50.160 Of it or like, I mean, recording experience. Recording experience 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:54.560 was really valuable. Yeah, so learned just what not to 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:56.120 do for the you know, the next. 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:02.520 So for the next year, for the next year. I've 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:06.640 heard many a story from Dennis Edwards and of don't 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:11.040 look any further, one of which I heard that his 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:15.840 original intended duet partner was I supposed to be Shaka Khan. 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:19.399 Wow refute or what happened? 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:19.680 Was? 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:21.720 How? How did this happen? 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:28.600 When I auditioned for Quincy Jones, there were a butt 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:34.320 load of songwriters and producers in the room during the auditions. 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:37.760 Quincy at the time was recording. 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:42.679 He's putting together album Okay every Home One. 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:47.800 Yes recording that album, and and songwriters were submitting songs 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:49.919 to Quincy for Patty's album. 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:53.399 And I was the demo chick at the time. I 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:56.240 was since they saw me at those auditions, I started 0:22:56.280 --> 0:22:58.480 doing everybody's demos for Quincy. 0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:03.199 For Patty, well, rewind where are the auditions because now 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:04.720 it's just a little different. I was like, I see 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:06.760 your YouTube page, Oh let me let me check them out. 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:08.320 But what was the circuit? 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:13.040 It was a cattle call from Music Writer magazine. 0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:16.399 A friend of mine and an ex singer friend of 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:18.480 mine whose group I was in since I was a kid, 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:22.080 was going to the auditions. 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:26.040 But she didn't tell me about it. Her boyfriend had 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:29.040 told me, right, So the barfriend called me and said 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:29.960 whence he's doing this? 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:32.800 And then I said, okay, okay, where is it? So 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:35.440 he gave me the address over at SI R Hollywood 0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:38.000 and I said, Okay, what time? He said, I don't know, 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:43.960 So Baby, I showed up at seven a m. And 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:47.720 it was me and two other people and we stood 0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:51.480 in line until the thing didn't start till noon, but 0:23:51.600 --> 0:23:53.480 by then the line was around the block. 0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:57.160 I was number three, right, So once you were. 0:23:57.119 --> 0:24:03.520 Inside, there were two card table and paper clipboards at 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:09.440 each for each day, with fifteen fifteen intervals fifteen minute intervals. 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:14.199 Who reading is fundamental, isn't it. So you were supposed 0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:16.200 to go to the table and write down the time 0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:17.679 and the day you wanted to audition. 0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:19.800 And I'm thinking, I'm here now. 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:23.760 I think I'll audition now because I'm not gonna be 0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:26.199 anymore ready on Tuesday at ten fifteen than I am 0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:29.520 right now. So I was one of the first few 0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:33.040 people to audition, and Quincy told me years later that 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:38.040 everyone who performed after me had to be as good 0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:39.960 as me or better than me. 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:44.960 So I went home that day. Baby, the bar was set. 0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:50.160 I went home, and over the course of nine months, 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:54.960 I would get these letters, Congratulations, you're one of five 0:24:55.040 --> 0:24:58.760 hunters the quizy. The next letter, you're still in the running, 0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:08.680 two hundred and fifty, one hundred, seventy five, fifty, twenty five, fifteen, ten, five, four, 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:11.240 me and three dudes. 0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:14.399 Wait. I wonder what was like for the fifth person 0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:20.800 to get like seven letters I'm gonna quit my job, 0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:27.280 Holy Hands that Night Onions Act the one. 0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:29.679 This is a little known fact, since you're into all 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:32.520 this kind of minutia. Yeah, you know, the little known 0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:33.359 fact is that. 0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:41.159 Lisa Melvoy, Wendy's sister, he told us you wanted the 0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:43.200 fifth member of the group. 0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:49.080 Yeah, because when we first found Plush, I was like, 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:52.119 is this the group that Susanna was talking about? So 0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:55.879 he wanted to put together a he wanted to know. 0:25:56.000 --> 0:26:01.000 He wanted uh uh, he wanted a fifth mention or 0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:05.439 Manhattan Transfer. He just wanted men and women who sang together, 0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:06.040 or a group. 0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:06.520 You know. 0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:08.600 He really wanted to take six, but they hadn't been 0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:09.400 discovered yet. 0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:10.800 Who were the other guys? 0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:18.680 And one was Kevin Dorsey, one was Darryl Finnassy and 0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:22.320 the other guy was David Swanson. But the guys that 0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:25.119 ended up going on the road with me was Darryl Fits, 0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:27.720 Kevin Dorsey, and a guy named Dorian Holly. 0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:32.520 He's on. He used to sing, We used to sing 0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:35.640 on everybody everything. Yeah, and he had a really amazing 0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:37.440 rich bass voice. 0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:42.800 Daryl, I know from the Michael Jackson with Michael for years. 0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:47.080 Right, Yes, let me apologize in advance for his no. 0:26:47.440 --> 0:27:03.639 Okay, so fired swinging. So that's what. So this was 0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:09.399 in eighty one, Okay, I believe this was eighty one 0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:15.280 or eighty two, because I think Susannah was going to 0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:18.359 take the gig and then Prince talked her out of 0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:21.119 doing it, yes and said come with. 0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:24.200 Us and Whndy, But Wendy didn't come around until like 0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:26.399 eighty three, eighty eighty two. 0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:30.520 Okay, but I remember her conclusion. The conclusion was that 0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:31.720 he told her, like. 0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:37.160 I always wondered what that was about. They never told 0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:39.359 us why. She was no longer. 0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:44.040 Very ambiguous with it. Yeah, So thanks for that was 0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:46.080 the name of the group or the project Deco. 0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:52.120 We had one. Okay, we were signed and we were 0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:58.760 offered artist contracts and writers contracts. I was I hadn't 0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:01.200 written no song poems, okay. 0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:03.479 And I wasn't about to be on the other end 0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:05.800 of the lawsuit with Quincy Jones for not fulfilling my 0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:08.800 contractual obligations. So I was like, you know what, guys, 0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:12.000 I'm just gonna sign the artist part and you guys 0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:15.440 you signed the writers. They were like fine, whatever, So 0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:18.199 they took our contracts, went to Quincy's house, I mean 0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:20.760 the Quincy's office, and he did the equivalent of just 0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:23.720 like shuffling their contracts on the desk and said, well, 0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:27.760 we're Sayita's contract. They said, oh, she didn't. She didn't 0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:29.480 want She just wants the artist thing. She doesn't want 0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:30.280 a songwriter's thing. 0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:34.040 So Quincy pushed their papers back across the desk to 0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:39.120 them and said, you either all sign or nobody signs. 0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:43.120 Next thing, I know, saita. 0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:45.960 Bitch, what open his door. 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:55.320 When three large black men calling you signed the contract? 0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:59.120 So I signed, and then I began the process of 0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:04.320 learning the craft of writing a song. They began the 0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:09.000 process of cashing their checks. So I was kept on 0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:12.400 for seven years. They were dismissed after one year. 0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:16.280 So you had no designs whatsoever to. 0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:20.680 Be a because here's why. No, no, no, here's why. 0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:25.200 Because let's just say, Quincy said, okay, you guys have 0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:28.280 to write twelve songs a year, twelve songs that I 0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:32.400 own the publishing too. So they were like, fine, they're musicians. 0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:34.720 They can whip up a song, you know, just them 0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:36.280 twelve songs and you're fine. 0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:39.560 I okay. If I if they had to whip up twelve, 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:42.680 that means fifty percent. That means I gotta whip up 0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:45.280 twenty four and don't let three people be in the room. 0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:47.480 I was like, no, no, I don't. I don't need this. 0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:51.400 I just want to be an artist, and he wants 0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:54.280 individual songs, so it's not like you as a collective, Like, okay, 0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:55.680 so Bill and I have the song we want to 0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:56.160 submit to you. 0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:59.000 Sure if if you're signed to him, then he owns 0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:01.080 fifty percent of your s and Bill gets to keep 0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:01.520 his part. 0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:03.800 But that's only half a song for you. So you 0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:07.640 still got living to have most songs deliver crazy. Yes, exactly, 0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:10.320 exactly exactly. 0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:19.560 That's another thinking meme moment is there's an audio equivalent that's. 0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:21.680 Crazy things that make you go DN. 0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:28.760 Okay, So that's interesting. So how does so once that's 0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:32.600 in place. How does don't look any further come in 0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:35.040 to okay? And the thing is, if you're signed to him, 0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:38.840 are there restrictions for writing for other people or like, 0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:41.800 does he get first DIBs on all that? Y? Yes, yes, yes, 0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:43.600 okay the latter. 0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:51.080 Once I was waiting those nine months, that's when all 0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:55.360 those producers, Barry Mann and Cynthia while Dennis Lamberton, Franny Goldie, 0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:57.960 they were all in the rooms, all in the room, 0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:03.320 and I started doing I even did Shaka's demo Through 0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:06.400 the Fire. Let me tell you said the wait a minute, 0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:07.920 wait since a while. 0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:14.400 I'm sorry, somewhere on this earth is your version Through 0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:14.760 the Fire? 0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:17.160 I wanted it so bad she she claimed she couldn't 0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:19.840 find the couldn't find the demo wink wink anyway, so 0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:23.680 she uh, when I was singing the demo, she did 0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:28.240 not know. Shaka Khan is the reason I sing okay. 0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:34.479 Shaka Khan was my vocal idol. I loved her riffs, 0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:37.040 I loved her tone. I love the fact that Miles 0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:40.160 Davis sounds told her her voice sounds like a horn, 0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:43.680 because it does. She's just She's just so sharp and 0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:47.560 crisp and I love Shaka. So I was doing this 0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:49.320 demo and they said, well, we're writing a song for 0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:52.520 Shaka Khan. I said, uh, sure, I'll sing it. So 0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:57.080 I was singing this song and I sang through the Fire. 0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:01.920 She said, don't do the art like that, don't roll, 0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:04.080 don't I said, you have no idea. 0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:07.040 That is shack. I said, trust me, I've been singing 0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:09.840 Shaka Khan songs since I can remember. That is Shaka 0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:14.200 through the Fire. And I did that ship Shaka loved it. 0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:16.680 She did every lick that I did on the demo, 0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:18.480 and I was like, praise the Lord. 0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:22.160 I have I have know you you were. 0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:25.440 Then I was the demonstration singer Dolly. 0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:28.560 I demonstrated how the song should be sung. 0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:28.880 God. 0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:36.240 So so then it goes back to Dennis Edwards and 0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:39.640 Chaka Khan. Right, yes, so I'm getting getting hot in here. 0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:47.000 Okay, what you're talking about, don't be blocking nobodys. 0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:51.120 I didn't looking over there, girl, So congratulations. 0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:55.080 I did this demo for for Freddy Goldie and Dennis 0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:58.160 Lambert and it was the song Don't Look any Further. 0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:00.320 So that was supposed to be a day, but they 0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:02.680 couldn't get the two in the room at the same time. 0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:04.800 I don't know what was happening, and Shaka was on tour, 0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:10.960 Dennis was down somewhere. Anyway, I did the demo, and 0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:14.920 I did the demo the whole song. Dennis Edwards came 0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:18.080 in a few weeks later and put his vocal on. 0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:21.240 So in the meantime, they were trying to find Shaka, 0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:24.680 couldn't Warner Motown said, look, we got to we have 0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:27.000 a release date. We have to release this single. Who 0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:31.120 we can't find Shaka? No, Well, who's on the record. 0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:35.120 Some chick named Saya Garrett Great, leave her on it. 0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:38.600 So I go back to the studio thinking, I'm gonna 0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:42.720 I'm gonna do my real vocal now, right, gets you 0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:45.680 a real fang? Dennis LeVert said, oh, no, no, no, no, 0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:49.560 We're keeping the vocal you did. So the vocal you 0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:53.320 hear bitches, it's my demo vocal. So the next time 0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:55.560 somebody tell you, oh, it's just a demo, smack them 0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:58.040 in the box for me, Just smack them right in 0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:00.480 the damn mouth that I can. 0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:00.920 Curse on this. 0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:06.880 Let it be known that Eric's will in his eyes 0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:10.760 in the corner. Eric's having the best time that anybody's having. 0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:17.080 No you gotta see. 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:23.799 So that's how it happened. It's it's amazing because it's 0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:29.080 amazing to me because the very first time I saw 0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:31.560 you was on Soul Train. 0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:35.839 I'm sorry, go ahead, yes, I'll take all. 0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:42.040 Yeah, it was on Soul Train. And you know, even 0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:46.680 in the show introduction when you know, sim McCoy is like, 0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:49.880 you know and guest stars you see Dinnis Edwards. I 0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:52.600 was like, Wow, who's that woman that's standing with Dennis 0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:55.880 Edwards in the digital box intro? And I watched it 0:34:56.000 --> 0:35:01.200 and it was like you, that was your set. Dennis 0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:04.719 wasn't even I'm I'm I'm a Soul Train of file 0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:07.440 as well, so I'm not trying to freak you guys out, 0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:12.879 but that was such that was a star making turn. 0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:17.040 Like you took over, not even took over because it 0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:20.680 feels like a code top, but it was like presence. 0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:27.479 I remembered, Yes, I remembered you more than Dennis Edward 0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:31.080 having the best hit of his career since what standing 0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:36.319 on the top forever. Yeah, And and that was such 0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:38.960 a star making like you really made the most of it. 0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:44.000 I also have to say that that video is okay. 0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:48.720 I'm gonna smack you, so listen, listen. 0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:51.680 I love it for the right reasons. 0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:53.080 Okay, check this out. 0:35:59.080 --> 0:35:59.640 I'm in love. 0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:03.920 That video was shot in the basement of Motown Records. 0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:08.440 I think it costs eleven dollars and fifty seven cents 0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:10.239 including the. 0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:14.400 Electricity that customer. Yeah, and Dennis was not in his 0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:15.560 best form. 0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:17.920 Though. 0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:22.239 In fact, Dennis was like he was so amped up. 0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:25.680 The video director between shoots, she would come over. At 0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:27.279 one point she came over with a piece of paper 0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:29.920 and she said, let me, can you put your gum in? 0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:32.040 And Dennis was like, Ain't got no gum, Ain't got 0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:36.040 no gum. I go my mama, mama. He was just 0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:38.640 chewing the ship out of his own tongue. 0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:43.960 Now look at it. 0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:49.919 Yes, and then I didn't know it at the time, 0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:52.479 but you know when I turned around with my back 0:36:52.560 --> 0:37:03.040 to Dennis with the capitol K now, you never be 0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:04.799 able to look at that video on the same look. 0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:07.440 I'm sorry, g that dress, that blue, the. 0:37:07.480 --> 0:37:10.040 Blue with loose way child blu. Wait. But listen, when 0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:12.920 I turned around, I didn't know that he was humping 0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:19.160 me behind me. I had no idea when that happened. 0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:22.320 That move and when I saw it, I said, that 0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:24.080 nasty best. 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:28.319 You, but you made the most of them, Like, how 0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:32.759 how long did you have to promote the song with? 0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:35.120 It was a It was a hot summer on the 0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:36.880 East Coast. It was not pleasant. 0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:43.000 We did clubs and Dennis had Okay, you know he 0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:47.840 had groupies, and you know Usher has groupies, but these were. 0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:54.440 Not like mama. Okay, So Dennis's groupies correlated with his age. 0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:59.200 I get it. So we had some a little one. 0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:06.120 So I'll tell you one experience. We were at this 0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:11.279 club called Silver Something in Jersey, right, silver Shadow. So 0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:16.080 it was one big dressing room. You there, I told him, So, 0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:18.640 I guess he's been in that club. You know, Garrett 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:23.439 Eric used to do an R for Epic Okay, okay, 0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:26.520 VPR you remember Clive Davis. 0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:29.879 Yeah, I didn't even know it. Ok just a little 0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:37.200 nugget for your thank you for this is the honor 0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:41.479 of my life, right should ringtone? I know? Okay? 0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:44.680 So thens it was almost time to do the show, 0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:46.560 and he had all these people and they were smoking 0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:49.120 and drinking and going in the bathroom to smoke. 0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:50.040 What I'm saying. 0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:54.080 So yeah, So I said, excuse me, I you know, 0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:59.600 I'd like to get dressed now. One of his groupie said, oh, 0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:03.239 you ain't got nothing. He ain't never saying before. 0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:06.640 Never ever. 0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:11.040 I said, he hasn't seen this one before, so can 0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:13.680 I just change my clothes? So he left went to 0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:16.560 the bathroom. But it was those kind of things. 0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:18.680 I'm trying to do a show and he and his 0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:21.400 other buddies and their chicks and his chick all in 0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:23.640 the room and it's like one little dressing room. I'm like, 0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:24.960 can you please? Anyway? 0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:30.640 Years later he sent me he called me and apologized 0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:32.360 because I guess that's. 0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:34.600 An that's a thing you have to do when you go. 0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:35.320 Through the steps. 0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:37.360 Yeah, whatever, it. 0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:42.640 Is one of the steps. Yes, not HR a little 0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:47.200 further past HR. That's A and N A not HR 0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:47.840 wrung acronym. 0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:52.600 Okay, Yeah, he was making amends and I accepted his apology, 0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:54.239 but I said, you were so mean to me. 0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:56.600 He's not I know. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but. 0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:59.880 Yeah, are you only there for one song? And that 0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:05.520 there's smart I can take. Really, Yes, I would have 0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:07.120 incorporate you in this show. 0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:10.759 And like, but Dennis wasn't trying to be in no 0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:15.160 show with anybody else. He was just trying to do Dennis. Yeah, 0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:17.439 and we were just promoting the single at the time. 0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:19.520 So can I just ask the dumb question here? 0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:21.440 Yes, I think this is the platform. 0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:25.719 Even the dumb ones got to be smart. 0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:26.680 Let me see how I say this. 0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:29.040 I'm at de jump. 0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:30.520 Just please. 0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:32.640 With your job of juice. 0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:38.440 Wait, it's the name I asked for any and Dennis, 0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:42.080 it's They just looked up names of African cities. 0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:44.000 We thought it was. 0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:47.480 It might be, it might be, it might be. 0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:50.080 I'm not sure, but it's just that they like the 0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:52.560 sound of certain cities and they just strung them together. 0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:53.759 But here's how it goes. 0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:56.840 Yes, dao y. 0:40:57.600 --> 0:41:04.200 Owned by now jambay m Bayo ca no no Cairo. 0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:16.280 Jamba the jumbe by you now jambem. 0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:18.640 By your no Cairo still no Cairo? Wrong? 0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:24.600 The jambey by shot. 0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:29.160 Jam you all right? 0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:31.600 What was the other one? 0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:34.400 Dale Nambu I o. 0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:44.640 I in the wrong room. Some wandered into both. 0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:46.719 He got that sugar hit in the right room. 0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:54.759 Thank you for finally settling that. 0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:58.480 So welcome because it was a problem. 0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:00.279 It was a problem like I'm a day they put 0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:00.799 them in there that. 0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:06.640 I got my juice up in there my city, Cairo. 0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:15.239 So can you explain to us and the listeners, but 0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:23.440 mostly to me, what is what is it like pounding 0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:29.960 the pavement on the background singer uh circuit, which I'm 0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:31.879 sure that was your next step. I mean you've done 0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:33.359 countless of Yeah. 0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:36.400 That was an education though, man, that was the real. 0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:40.720 Learning experience for me, because, like I said, I started 0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:47.520 doing demos for l A songwriters and producers, so I 0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:52.319 got to I got to experience completely different styles from 0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:55.960 every you know, pop producer that was on the charts 0:42:55.960 --> 0:42:59.239 and was writing songs for whatever Quincy's next artist was. 0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:05.600 So it was it was a true training ground for 0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:07.279 me as a as a singer. 0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:13.719 And singing uh lead is a completely different animal than 0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:18.760 blending with other people to make a cohesive background sound 0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:22.239 to the way you have to You can't you can't stand, 0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:25.120 you can't step out, and you can't be too silent. 0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:26.200 You have to blend. 0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:29.719 You have to create a sound, a harmonious sound with 0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:31.719 the other people that you're singing with. And that's what 0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:35.520 I loved so much about singing background on other people's 0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:37.719 records that in the fact that I got to work 0:43:37.800 --> 0:43:41.480 with producers that I never would ever work with because 0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:44.120 I'm not that that big artist that they're writing for, 0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:46.640 But I'm the chick that shows the artists how to 0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:50.560 sing the song. It's just such an amazing, powerful feeling. 0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:53.440 And nobody does demos anymore. Nobody, you know, it's a 0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:54.840 sad state of affairs. 0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:59.600 Well, yes, I don't know. Maybe they just become the 0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:04.759 final the final product. So I guess you worked with 0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:10.640 who did True Blue? Steve, Stephen Bray and Patrick Lennon, Right, Yes, so. 0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:21.200 Oh, I have a great story for you. Yes, this 0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:23.680 is this is about Madonna, and she she fucking loves 0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:24.120 the story. 0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:27.880 So we're making music on the True Blue album and 0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:30.520 Steve says to me, we need some background singers. 0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:32.720 I'm like, okay, I'll call you know, I'll call somebody. 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:34.719 So I called. I'm trying to think of what kind 0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:39.359 of blend for this song. So I called my friend, uh. 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:47.600 Uh, Eddie Layman, who was like the jingle singer, the person, 0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:48.319 perfect pitch. 0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:51.440 She was on every every movie score. She was the singer. 0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:54.040 So I called Edie because I'd sung with her before, 0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:57.280 and I said, they need one more person. And before 0:44:57.360 --> 0:45:00.160 I thought too much more about it, Madonna was right there. 0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:02.359 I said, you want to sing on this record because 0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:07.279 I can hire you to sing. Donna yet, yes, this Madonna. No, 0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:08.440 it's Madonna. 0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:10.080 Madonna. 0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:11.640 I know she was status. 0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:13.120 She was Madonna. 0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:15.000 This was like second album, yird al. 0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:20.320 So she said, yeah, so we're singing, right, and Madonna 0:45:20.440 --> 0:45:22.319 would uh uh. 0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:25.719 She We would joke and laughing, and every time she 0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:28.760 would make a joke, she would just like tap that ass. 0:45:33.120 --> 0:45:35.560 She would make a joke and just tap me on that. 0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:43.680 So after two or three times the ass tapping, I said, bits, 0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:44.160 you touched my. 0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.000 She said, oh, saying I'm just. 0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:56.080 But that was it. 0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:56.600 She didn't. 0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:00.759 But you know what, three or four years later, maybe 0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:07.719 ten years later, I'm in this restaurant on Lasi mantohisa, 0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:11.000 I'm in the private dining area because that's how I. 0:46:12.800 --> 0:46:12.840 Ma. 0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:14.960 I'm by myself. I don't give a shit. I don't 0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:15.960 care you find myself. 0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:17.879 I don't care what people think about me sitting along 0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:19.320 and in the I don't give a shit. So it 0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:22.319 was me and then an walks Madonna and her. 0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:26.319 Husband, so trying which one. 0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:29.800 Yeah, okay, okay, the husband has been I got the director. 0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:34.800 Yeah, yeah, mister Ritchie. So I said to her. She goes, hey, sayta, 0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:38.880 how are you. I'm like, I'm great, Hi missus Richie 0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:41.680 and her husband just being because. 0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:42.200 Who calls her that? 0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:46.120 You know what I'm saying, Hi missus Richie. So she said, so, Sayda, 0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:48.960 what have you been doing? What are you doing lately? 0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:52.360 And I said I had heard that one of her 0:46:52.400 --> 0:46:55.879 background singers was was not working out too well. 0:46:56.760 --> 0:46:58.560 So when she said, so, what are you up to? 0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:01.360 I said, I'm waiting for Donna to fuck up so 0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:02.600 I can take her place. 0:47:05.239 --> 0:47:09.120 Where it was. 0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:14.880 Yeah, that demon. Anyway, that's another that I'm not getting. 0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:16.040 My husband. 0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:19.000 Okay, I don't. 0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:22.120 Get so many bodies have been discussing right now. 0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:26.200 So anyway, all right, anyway. 0:47:25.920 --> 0:47:27.359 So we have to go dig more holes. 0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:31.040 What I was gonna say, anyway, we got the shovel 0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:31.400 in the car. 0:47:33.280 --> 0:47:38.239 Okay, Jesus, keep going. I don't even know what I 0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:42.200 was saying in my head. Wait, you're Dona. Donna walked 0:47:42.200 --> 0:47:45.000 past and you smacked on the ass. That's really wanted 0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:45.600 the wrong. 0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:49.680 Ass, you said, I heard Donna. Fuck Yeah, she laughed. 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:51.759 So three years later I get a call. 0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:54.960 Three years maybe a year and a half but it 0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:57.640 was a lengthy maybe almost almost two years, maybe three. 0:47:58.000 --> 0:48:01.359 So I get this call and uh, I ended up 0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:04.360 going on the road with her for a summer, the 0:48:04.440 --> 0:48:07.759 Reinvention Tour. We rehearsed for a month and we were 0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:10.239 out for three months, and it was the longest year 0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:11.360 and a half of my life. 0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:16.680 How Yeah, when when you are a when you're a 0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:21.120 natural born magnet and your own planet. 0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:23.520 Yeah, that's a good description. 0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:27.320 No, when you are your own how do you know 0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:32.560 when to fall back and just blending when you're so 0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:36.160 obviously like you shined. 0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:40.600 Well here, I have to give Madonna kudos because she 0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:44.120 knows that no matter who else is on stage, it's 0:48:44.200 --> 0:48:45.320 all about Madonna. 0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:48.200 So if you understand that, then you can roll with her. 0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:49.440 It's not a problem. 0:48:50.320 --> 0:48:53.640 But you have to resign to that. Like sign for 0:48:53.719 --> 0:48:54.040 the gig. 0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:56.000 I knew what I was doing when I signed up 0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:57.360 for the gig. I knew who the star of the 0:48:57.400 --> 0:48:59.920 planet was. And it wasn't say to get it right, 0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:01.160 I wasn't filling up stadiums. 0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:04.800 They can't to see her right, right, So there's no 0:49:05.640 --> 0:49:06.520 never any temptations. 0:49:07.680 --> 0:49:09.160 Well, she would bring me. 0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:11.080 She brought me out to do a solo. 0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:13.560 I mean the other Donna had been on the road 0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:14.520 with her for seventeen years. 0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:16.839 I've been never got a solo, So I knew there 0:49:16.960 --> 0:49:19.680 was something about me that she understood and she respected. 0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:23.480 But Donna, if you if you don't cower, if you 0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:25.759 don't back down, then she respects that. 0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:28.919 Mmm. She truly does. 0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:31.319 And she knows she's not the best dancer. No, she's 0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:33.040 not the best singer. Will be the first to tell 0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:35.879 you that. But that bitch is the hardest worker I've 0:49:35.880 --> 0:49:37.040 ever met in my life. 0:49:37.880 --> 0:49:42.600 True, she works her arts off. You're right, You're right. 0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:48.640 And if she was saying for twenty fucking ye, that's 0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:50.440 what she'd say. I'm the cherry picker to all her 0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:53.600 fans that she hovered above them. Its for being my 0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:58.520 fans for twenty fucking It's awesome. 0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:05.759 Wow. What are the rules to to surviving in that 0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:07.720 that kind of world? 0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:10.359 That circuit you know who the star is and it's 0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:11.360 usually not the background. 0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:12.680 Well no, no, no, no, I don't even mean for 0:50:12.760 --> 0:50:14.759 conscious I'm talking about like, when you're called for work, 0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:19.960 is it do producers look for? Like, Okay, who sings 0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:24.400 the flatts without the most vibrato? Who shows up a 0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:25.239 half hour early. 0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:27.959 Who a good producer will consider all of those things 0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:30.400 because they already know what kind of sound they're looking for, 0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:32.520 and they'll just hire the singers that they think can 0:50:32.719 --> 0:50:33.920 create that sound for them. 0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:38.640 Is it easy for you to track everything yourself or 0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:42.080 to do it with like who are your who are 0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:46.640 the contemporaries, who are the go to people in background work? 0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:50.719 In the first half of the eighties, it had to 0:50:50.760 --> 0:50:51.480 be like, you. 0:50:51.520 --> 0:50:57.600 Know, Lisa Fisher, all those New York Audrew Wheeler, Sendy Mizelle. 0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:01.560 La singers were not even. 0:51:01.440 --> 0:51:03.160 Featured in this twenty Steps. 0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:06.279 Yeah, and then there was background singers that didn't really 0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:11.719 have a background anyway. That's something else I can't oh Tatha, 0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:17.080 all these all these amazing singers, and Tauatha might have even. 0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:19.640 Been on that DJ Rodgers thing of mine, yeah, my 0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:20.200 first gig. 0:51:20.440 --> 0:51:23.800 But anyway, you get to know who you know, the 0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:26.719 ones that are dependable, the ones who get the job done, 0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:28.360 the ones that do it quickly, and the ones that 0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:30.640 also Producers are looking for people to come up with 0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:34.640 ideas that they didn't think of, you know, different harmony parts, 0:51:34.719 --> 0:51:36.959 different counter melody parts that you could come. 0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:37.560 Up with on the spot. 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:40.880 So do they send you the track pronto learn. 0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:44.520 And if you make changes you get a check for that. 0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:47.640 No, No, that's part of why they hired you. They 0:51:47.680 --> 0:51:49.719 knew you could make the product better without, you. 0:51:49.760 --> 0:51:54.759 Know, being a writer. I work for higher So you 0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:59.800 know what I this this morning when I was recapping everything, 0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:03.400 I freaking forgot about Do you want it right now? 0:52:04.560 --> 0:52:04.719 Oh? 0:52:04.920 --> 0:52:07.719 Wow, it's just one of those things that escaped me. 0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:08.919 Check this out. 0:52:09.360 --> 0:52:16.120 Yes, nerder Rama, Yes, ringtone song. 0:52:17.320 --> 0:52:19.680 Was produced by Jellybeans. 0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:22.719 Okay, he was one of the three producers that I 0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:25.360 had after one of my ill fated albums that is 0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:27.120 on the Shelf and Warner Brothers that will be never 0:52:27.280 --> 0:52:29.200 never ever be heard or seen from in life. 0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:32.719 But he would wait, wait, Marie Wind. 0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:36.239 It was after the fact. I my first album on 0:52:36.360 --> 0:52:39.920 Quest had three producers jelly Bean, Glenn Ballard and and 0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:46.319 Cliff Magnus and Robbie Neville and it. 0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:51.919 Never came out eighty five five. Remember so this before 0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:53.080 life there was an album. 0:52:53.200 --> 0:52:55.040 Yes, yes, there were two albums. 0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:58.160 There were a lot of changes that went from Quest, 0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:01.360 transition to Warner Brothers and Divorced, and it was a 0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:02.719 lot of it was a lot of shit going on. 0:53:03.320 --> 0:53:10.680 So, yeah, do we have anybody. I'm gonna find one. 0:53:11.440 --> 0:53:12.200 You're gonna find one. 0:53:12.280 --> 0:53:14.000 Oh, we do that. We're gonna we're gonna're gonna try 0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:15.920 and find that record. Both of them. 0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:19.560 They were never released. They're on but we're gonna find Oh, 0:53:19.680 --> 0:53:21.839 I'm scared of you guys, anyway. 0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:24.840 To do that? Yeah, we lost, don't be scared. 0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:30.120 So this, this single do you Want It Right Now? 0:53:30.320 --> 0:53:35.440 Was in the Sydney Pontier directorial debut Fast Forward, and 0:53:35.600 --> 0:53:40.040 the song is in the movie in the guitar solo. 0:53:40.840 --> 0:53:43.600 So you never even heard me say a word on 0:53:44.160 --> 0:53:47.600 the film, But that song was released to the dance 0:53:47.640 --> 0:53:49.440 clubs and it was number one dance record. 0:53:49.800 --> 0:53:52.800 It was inescapable. Yeah argument, I thought it was Shannon 0:53:53.040 --> 0:53:56.759 in the beginning, but it was No. I know no, 0:53:57.480 --> 0:54:00.400 I mean I was what thirteen at the time, but 0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:03.160 they always played it on Power ninety nine and Philly. 0:54:03.320 --> 0:54:05.600 This is the fast forward the movie, the dance the 0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:08.399 song before the movie right fast. 0:54:09.680 --> 0:54:10.719 You've seen that movie. 0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:13.080 What I seen all the dancing movies. 0:54:14.600 --> 0:54:16.320 That movie was like twenty minutes. 0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:20.000 We had the Blonde and then the Rich I remember, 0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:22.200 and then the Black guy and the white guy and 0:54:22.200 --> 0:54:24.240 their friends team together. 0:54:25.200 --> 0:54:28.000 This is this is a key moment. I wish was 0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:35.120 here that on top of us on what you're experiencing now, 0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:38.319 what you feel it's never happened. You know some ship 0:54:38.360 --> 0:54:45.239 that's okay. Have you seen Body Rock? Yeah? Must be, 0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:51.480 must be your spike. Lee Glasses said, all right, we're 0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:52.839 falling to a rabbit right here. 0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:55.280 So it's dark in there. 0:54:55.400 --> 0:55:00.440 On it is. So even on the strength of having 0:55:01.120 --> 0:55:04.439 that single, no one at Warners was like, Okay, let's 0:55:06.560 --> 0:55:09.399 let's get that out. Let's get the product out. 0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:14.560 There was a lot of upheaval and the Warner family 0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:17.839 and the Quest family, and it was I just sort 0:55:17.840 --> 0:55:20.399 of fell through the cracks. I'm an artist, but as 0:55:20.400 --> 0:55:23.800 a songwriter, you know, it behooved Quest to you know, 0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:26.879 plug me into different projects, which is how I came 0:55:26.920 --> 0:55:28.040 to meet Michael. 0:55:28.520 --> 0:55:32.760 What what keeps you? What keeps you sing? 0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:35.640 That keeps me saying it was married? 0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:48.359 What keeps you saying? The little he's the loudest one 0:55:48.360 --> 0:55:49.840 in the room, but you didn't hear one boy. 0:55:51.239 --> 0:55:54.920 So he's glad he went from twenty Okay, so shut up. 0:56:00.440 --> 0:56:03.239 But what I want to know, Damn they just gave 0:56:03.280 --> 0:56:07.960 each other high five. That's amazing relationship. He's like, I'll 0:56:08.000 --> 0:56:14.759 go get the shovel. What so, But I'm just saying, 0:56:14.840 --> 0:56:20.840 man too, you know, to start when you did, and 0:56:20.960 --> 0:56:23.880 then to have the Plus project almost be a contender, 0:56:24.640 --> 0:56:27.160 and then you might get some heat on the dennist 0:56:27.160 --> 0:56:32.000 at Wards problem. It's almost a contender and kind of 0:56:32.040 --> 0:56:34.400 some close. No Cigars not my year. It's not my year. 0:56:34.400 --> 0:56:36.439 I'm sure every like New Year's Eve, you're like, okay, 0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:39.920 nineteen eighty five, it's gonna be the It's gonna be it. 0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:45.480 And like, what keeps you grounded? Because usually in the 0:56:45.600 --> 0:56:51.319 cases I know, a lot of bitterness starts to enter 0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:56.400 artist lives, usually by the sixth year of like the 0:56:56.520 --> 0:57:01.879 no Cigar situation, Like, okay, if it doesn't happen this year, well, 0:57:02.080 --> 0:57:07.960 and what what keeps you what by this point mentally speaking, 0:57:08.760 --> 0:57:12.719 like with the way that the label was, what keeps 0:57:12.760 --> 0:57:13.200 you hanging on? 0:57:14.400 --> 0:57:14.560 Wait? 0:57:14.719 --> 0:57:19.880 Is this where Benny enters the picture? God? Sorry, all right, 0:57:20.520 --> 0:57:35.080 I'm sorry, Eric, he was already no, no, no, let 0:57:35.120 --> 0:57:38.400 me just I'm trying to explain that this show is 0:57:38.640 --> 0:57:41.040 is not This is probably the deepest we've ever gotten 0:57:41.280 --> 0:57:49.520 into yeah, because I know, But seriously, I'm more curious 0:57:49.560 --> 0:57:54.120 about the creative process and getting from point A to 0:57:54.240 --> 0:57:57.000 point Z, not just like give me this insation his stories, 0:57:57.080 --> 0:57:59.000 like you know what Sirt was that and I were 0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:03.280 in that day. But I am curious about obstacles that 0:58:03.400 --> 0:58:05.480 are in your way and how you deal with it 0:58:05.840 --> 0:58:08.640 and overcome such a thing to get to. 0:58:09.200 --> 0:58:10.560 Man, you just I don't know. 0:58:10.640 --> 0:58:11.200 You just don't. 0:58:11.760 --> 0:58:14.120 I just haven't stopped. You can't stop. You just got 0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:15.920 to keep focused. 0:58:16.080 --> 0:58:18.800 I on the prize, just keep your keep focused on 0:58:18.880 --> 0:58:20.960 your goals, no matter. And then all that other stuff 0:58:21.040 --> 0:58:24.000 is just extraneous stuff that's happening while you're focused on 0:58:24.280 --> 0:58:24.720 your goal. 0:58:25.400 --> 0:58:30.800 So what okay for that point? What in your eyes? 0:58:31.000 --> 0:58:34.080 And you know everyone has a plan and quote God 0:58:34.240 --> 0:58:37.760 laughs at you. Whatever that thing is that that's that's saying. 0:58:40.280 --> 0:58:45.200 What were your aspirations during that period? 0:58:47.480 --> 0:58:50.760 I was gonna be Madonna and then I was gonna 0:58:50.760 --> 0:58:53.840 be Beyonce. I was gonna be it, but that part 0:58:53.920 --> 0:58:56.880 of my career just never kind of took off. But 0:58:57.080 --> 0:59:01.880 as a songwriter, because the focus wasn't on me as 0:59:01.880 --> 0:59:04.840 an artist, I think I had to concentrate on what 0:59:05.360 --> 0:59:08.200 was happening, and as a songwriter, I was doing a 0:59:08.280 --> 0:59:11.760 lot more than I was as my own artist. I mean, 0:59:11.800 --> 0:59:15.360 if you can't have a hit song after having a 0:59:15.480 --> 0:59:18.440 duet with the king of pop, the biggest pop songwriter 0:59:18.560 --> 0:59:20.920 in the world, if your record company can't get it 0:59:20.960 --> 0:59:23.800 together after that, and then a few months after that, 0:59:24.280 --> 0:59:29.040 you wrote the fifth single from the biggest pop song 0:59:29.200 --> 0:59:31.320 right pop artist in the world, and you still can't 0:59:31.360 --> 0:59:32.240 get to get it going. 0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:35.360 It just wasn't meant for me. Like I was on 0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:38.120 the Bad Tour, the single had just come out. 0:59:38.240 --> 0:59:40.760 Warner Brothers like, you gotta you gotta stay here and 0:59:40.840 --> 0:59:41.880 we gotta make your record. 0:59:41.880 --> 0:59:44.080 You gotta, you know, while this is hot, you gotta 0:59:44.120 --> 0:59:45.440 do this, and the Men of the Mirror is coming out. 0:59:45.440 --> 0:59:46.480 You got to make your own record. 0:59:46.720 --> 0:59:52.000 So I rehearsed with the Bad Tour for like a week, right, 0:59:52.080 --> 0:59:54.560 And after a week I told Michael, I said, dude, 0:59:54.600 --> 0:59:56.680 I gotta, I gotta do my own sit. 0:59:56.840 --> 1:00:00.040 I mean, Warner Brothers is saying so sorry. I I 1:00:00.200 --> 1:00:08.240 left entered Sheryl Crow and the rest herstory bitches her history. 1:00:08.800 --> 1:00:11.480 I see the executives ever come to you like you 1:00:11.560 --> 1:00:13.000 know in that artist type of way. Well, if you 1:00:13.120 --> 1:00:14.480 change this, and if you change. 1:00:14.320 --> 1:00:15.720 That, because I always thought it was dope, you were 1:00:15.720 --> 1:00:16.320 ahead of your time. 1:00:16.400 --> 1:00:20.240 You know how I feel about here, blig They I was, 1:00:20.320 --> 1:00:22.040 you know, they looked at me and they saw an 1:00:22.160 --> 1:00:24.520 R and B singer, and which is which I wasn't. 1:00:24.560 --> 1:00:27.360 I'm a pop singer, but I'm not Madonna, so they 1:00:27.400 --> 1:00:31.000 were the look didn't match the road I was trying 1:00:31.040 --> 1:00:35.200 to go down. So after a while, you gotta go 1:00:35.360 --> 1:00:37.960 with the flow, baby, You gotta however it's flowing. 1:00:37.960 --> 1:00:39.000 You gotta make that work. 1:00:39.200 --> 1:00:44.120 But you can't. You you have to understand that usually 1:00:44.400 --> 1:00:48.280 the conclusion that you just told me, that's always reached 1:00:48.680 --> 1:00:55.920 in hindsight. Now, I mean, the key reason why I 1:00:56.360 --> 1:01:01.160 even have this show as a platform is for what 1:01:01.320 --> 1:01:04.160 you just said, because I got about six or seven 1:01:04.200 --> 1:01:09.920 people in my lives. My lives. I have six or 1:01:09.960 --> 1:01:15.280 seven people in my life who their narrative is constantly 1:01:15.840 --> 1:01:20.320 going down dead in the streets and just like, nope, nope, 1:01:20.440 --> 1:01:20.760 you read that. 1:01:20.760 --> 1:01:23.200 Book about the Cheese and the Rats and the New Cheese. 1:01:26.960 --> 1:01:28.680 I forgot the name of it, but but who moved 1:01:28.720 --> 1:01:30.080 my cheese? Okay? 1:01:31.280 --> 1:01:34.320 That book is about these two little rats who every 1:01:34.440 --> 1:01:36.640 day they would get out of their little house and 1:01:36.880 --> 1:01:39.000 get dressed for work, and they go then the maize 1:01:39.040 --> 1:01:40.040 and they find the cheese. 1:01:40.080 --> 1:01:41.600 And then they go home and. 1:01:41.680 --> 1:01:43.720 Get undressed, go to sleep. Next day to get up, 1:01:43.800 --> 1:01:46.000 get dressed, go down the maize and find the cheese. 1:01:46.160 --> 1:01:50.640 One day there was no cheese, but one little rat 1:01:50.760 --> 1:01:52.720 just kept getting up, getting dressed, going down the road, 1:01:53.240 --> 1:01:57.000 find them looking for the other rat started looking for 1:01:57.200 --> 1:01:58.280 some new cheese. 1:01:59.520 --> 1:02:02.880 So as an artist, I was looking for the new cheese. 1:02:05.200 --> 1:02:06.800 That's the best cheese story I've ever heard of. This, 1:02:07.760 --> 1:02:14.320 it was I just want to know I've been in 1:02:14.440 --> 1:02:19.520 that new chiese situation. Yeah, because again I personally and 1:02:19.800 --> 1:02:23.640 I hate I know I'm regressing the older mirror where 1:02:23.800 --> 1:02:25.880 I start taking all the interviews and making the interview 1:02:25.920 --> 1:02:27.520 about me and instead of the artist. 1:02:27.840 --> 1:02:28.760 But I got it. 1:02:29.000 --> 1:02:30.800 This This is a rare This is rare tell us 1:02:30.800 --> 1:02:33.040 about the cheese, tell us about the cheese. But I'm 1:02:33.040 --> 1:02:38.280 just saying that ever Blue was a Swiss. As an 1:02:38.400 --> 1:02:41.480 artist in the beginning, when you're first starting, you have 1:02:41.680 --> 1:02:44.800 these lofty goals of what you want your life to be. Yes, 1:02:45.920 --> 1:02:48.840 I didn't ask to you know it wasn't a dream. 1:02:48.880 --> 1:02:50.240 I mean, yeah, you said, oh yeah, I like the 1:02:50.280 --> 1:02:53.960 host of radio show or be the new doc Severson 1:02:54.080 --> 1:02:56.720 on a But I didn't grow up like as an 1:02:56.720 --> 1:02:59.520 eight year old, like hmm, like half of the stuff 1:02:59.600 --> 1:03:01.720 like writing, you know, books about food and all that stuff. 1:03:02.280 --> 1:03:04.640 I had a specific goal that I thought was going 1:03:04.720 --> 1:03:08.200 to get me to where my dream was. And then 1:03:08.600 --> 1:03:11.400 you know, but I also have about four or five 1:03:11.560 --> 1:03:17.280 ledge talkers that talked me off the ledge from sabotage 1:03:17.320 --> 1:03:20.120 and stuff. Because when stuff doesn't go right for me, 1:03:20.280 --> 1:03:25.000 my first instinct is fuck it. And now none of 1:03:25.120 --> 1:03:27.360 us can play ball, you know, like I'm that person. 1:03:27.360 --> 1:03:29.840 But oh you I'm taking my ball and I'm going home. 1:03:30.440 --> 1:03:33.040 I'll take the ball and roof it so nobody can 1:03:33.120 --> 1:03:40.600 have it. But I'm also smart enough to listen if three, 1:03:41.000 --> 1:03:43.720 like fifty million Elevis fans can't be wrong. So if 1:03:43.800 --> 1:03:46.280 four people are telling me I think you need to 1:03:46.320 --> 1:03:49.720 fuck you're fucking up. I need you to breathe, calm 1:03:49.840 --> 1:03:51.360 down different way. 1:03:53.280 --> 1:03:56.920 You need to Yeah, who, I'm not saying that you're 1:03:57.360 --> 1:03:59.160 I'm just saying that I had that. 1:03:59.560 --> 1:04:01.000 But how did you. 1:04:02.600 --> 1:04:05.840 Because the narrative of anyone else I talked to this 1:04:06.080 --> 1:04:12.680 is where the downside of the period happened. But you 1:04:12.960 --> 1:04:14.760 just went with a punch and like, okay, well it 1:04:14.840 --> 1:04:16.400 wasn't meant for me to what what? 1:04:16.600 --> 1:04:18.840 I had no other options like what were There was 1:04:18.920 --> 1:04:22.920 no other alternative you either. It was not about I 1:04:23.080 --> 1:04:25.080 was not about to just go down like that. I 1:04:25.880 --> 1:04:27.240 I was just not going out like that. 1:04:27.400 --> 1:04:28.080 I had. 1:04:29.480 --> 1:04:32.480 I wanted to just find a new way to make 1:04:32.600 --> 1:04:36.240 my name, to get my music out there. And if 1:04:36.280 --> 1:04:38.480 it wasn't through me, then I'll just write it for 1:04:38.560 --> 1:04:39.280 somebody else to do. 1:04:41.040 --> 1:04:43.520 All right, Yeah, I'm gonna bookmark this part of the 1:04:43.960 --> 1:04:47.280 interview and make sure that ninety five billion people listen 1:04:47.320 --> 1:04:51.920 to you. You saying that because I that's yes. Can 1:04:52.000 --> 1:04:56.560 we title this new case so fund check this out 1:04:57.520 --> 1:04:57.960 For those of. 1:04:58.000 --> 1:05:01.320 You who are who are living southern California. For the 1:05:01.520 --> 1:05:06.320 last sixteen years, from two thousand to January twenty sixteen, 1:05:07.520 --> 1:05:09.880 I was the voice of Toyota for Southern California. 1:05:11.000 --> 1:05:13.240 Jingle new Cheese, Cheese Baby. 1:05:13.720 --> 1:05:15.600 Now it's your Toyota dealer. You can get a great 1:05:15.640 --> 1:05:17.800 deal on our twenty sixteen Toyota. 1:05:19.800 --> 1:05:27.920 Let's go places. Let's go places, viness. Listen where my 1:05:28.040 --> 1:05:31.080 career goes. Yes, yeah, new cheese. 1:05:31.560 --> 1:05:33.240 Now who I didn't wake up going, oh my god, 1:05:33.280 --> 1:05:35.320 I want to I want to be that announcer girl. 1:05:35.560 --> 1:05:38.360 It happened. I was singing the jingle we make It Easy, 1:05:38.560 --> 1:05:39.680 Oh so easy. 1:05:39.840 --> 1:05:40.200 I'm in that. 1:05:40.920 --> 1:05:44.040 You done many, many for many name something that I 1:05:44.120 --> 1:05:46.760 don't know or I might know, or uh. 1:05:46.720 --> 1:05:49.560 Well, I've done likes of PEPSI likes of Coca Cola commercials, 1:05:49.640 --> 1:05:52.440 Jack in the box, McDonald's just ooz and ohs all 1:05:52.520 --> 1:05:59.440 over the place, and and the dang you real rich No, no. 1:06:01.400 --> 1:06:03.800 Wrong, I'm on that too, and. 1:06:05.040 --> 1:06:08.080 I'm just let me And that's another thing. This is 1:06:08.080 --> 1:06:08.920 gonna be that episode. 1:06:09.000 --> 1:06:09.600 Okay, that's fine. 1:06:09.760 --> 1:06:13.000 Just because you work a lot doesn't mean that you're 1:06:13.240 --> 1:06:13.960 bringing in the dough. 1:06:14.240 --> 1:06:15.760 I know, like the trash man at work a lot. 1:06:16.640 --> 1:06:21.080 But when you are doing like plumber, I consider myself 1:06:22.280 --> 1:06:23.280 mister nineteen jobs. 1:06:23.320 --> 1:06:24.640 You don't know what a lot of dough is anymore. 1:06:24.720 --> 1:06:29.000 You're in a bubble. But to the director of the system, okay, I'm. 1:06:28.920 --> 1:06:31.800 Just saying it means that you're consistently working. You're a 1:06:31.920 --> 1:06:36.160 working class nigga. 1:06:37.760 --> 1:06:42.720 Anyway, I miss something. 1:06:44.360 --> 1:06:47.440 In it still j thoms they're. 1:06:47.320 --> 1:06:51.800 Good, but the jingles amazing. 1:06:51.880 --> 1:06:52.080 Yeah. 1:06:52.160 --> 1:06:56.000 So yeah, that was another way for me to still 1:06:56.160 --> 1:07:00.160 sing and be musical, but not be an artist, and 1:07:00.280 --> 1:07:02.520 not be signed to a label and not be you 1:07:02.560 --> 1:07:04.400 know what else I hated about being signed to a label. 1:07:04.880 --> 1:07:07.440 They have their own agenda and it doesn't matter what 1:07:07.720 --> 1:07:09.760 kind of artists you want to be, or what artists 1:07:09.800 --> 1:07:11.880 you think you can be, or who you think you are. 1:07:12.160 --> 1:07:14.080 If you don't fit into that box that they have, 1:07:14.240 --> 1:07:16.200 the R and B box, the pop box with all 1:07:16.240 --> 1:07:18.400 the looks and everything that goes with it, then you 1:07:18.640 --> 1:07:21.240 are just looked over and you fall through the cracks. 1:07:21.280 --> 1:07:23.640 I know so many artists like that. Tevin was like that. 1:07:24.160 --> 1:07:27.560 Tevin had his sweet spot was before his balls dropped 1:07:27.720 --> 1:07:28.800 and his voice changed. 1:07:29.040 --> 1:07:30.400 So after that, nobody wanted. 1:07:30.200 --> 1:07:31.840 To Nobody wanted to fuck with seven because he didn't 1:07:31.840 --> 1:07:35.360 have those high notes anymore. But Tevin took his uh 1:07:36.120 --> 1:07:41.080 gift and his talent and he went to Broadway, so 1:07:41.520 --> 1:07:42.600 he found some new cheese. 1:07:43.560 --> 1:07:49.080 Wow. Not to mention your your your your your your 1:07:49.160 --> 1:07:54.760 acting game is is oh god, quite awesome. My first 1:07:55.040 --> 1:08:02.640 yeah right now, oh my god. You know, like when 1:08:02.680 --> 1:08:05.200 you get your first VCR. You gotta record everything when 1:08:05.240 --> 1:08:05.720 you were a kid. 1:08:05.960 --> 1:08:12.920 Yeah, Steve's like again some stuff my dad recorded that 1:08:13.080 --> 1:08:18.200 I happened to find out. Yeah, pretty much. Recording everything. 1:08:20.360 --> 1:08:20.880 Changed my life. 1:08:21.600 --> 1:08:23.600 We got a v c R. I recorded everything that 1:08:23.760 --> 1:08:27.280 was on television. It just happened. Her episode of the 1:08:27.400 --> 1:08:30.280 Facts of Life was the one that that I did well. 1:08:30.439 --> 1:08:32.680 I did Amen. I did an episode of Amen. I 1:08:32.760 --> 1:08:33.519 remember the episode. 1:08:33.560 --> 1:08:40.880 Yeah, you wanted to be U singer? I want to 1:08:40.880 --> 1:08:49.960 be No, Yeah she was, uh, I guess missus Garrett's girls. 1:08:50.720 --> 1:08:53.240 I wanted to enter Sing with the Elder Barge contest. 1:08:53.760 --> 1:08:57.240 Oh yeah, and I think George Clooney's character and whoever 1:08:57.240 --> 1:08:57.760 the kid was. 1:08:59.520 --> 1:09:02.440 Worked with George before. 1:09:04.040 --> 1:09:05.479 When they had their own bakery and whatnot. 1:09:06.080 --> 1:09:09.400 So they organized them to enter this contest and then. 1:09:10.479 --> 1:09:12.639 Tots Group one. It's the show. 1:09:22.520 --> 1:09:24.439 She lost the whole two of hearts things. Remember that one. 1:09:27.840 --> 1:09:28.080 Lost? 1:09:30.840 --> 1:09:34.760 Wait anyway, Stacy. 1:09:34.800 --> 1:09:36.720 Let me let me tell you. I was on an 1:09:36.800 --> 1:09:38.800 ill fated pilot called. 1:09:41.160 --> 1:09:50.200 The Valentine's On that that pilot episode was Tevin Campbell, Ali, 1:09:51.439 --> 1:09:57.320 Cindy Harron, Saya Garrett. They were like and and everybody 1:09:57.640 --> 1:10:00.840 was like nobody then and after that they went on 1:10:00.960 --> 1:10:03.639 to do what they went on to do. But Jeff 1:10:03.680 --> 1:10:08.599 Franklin was the producer of that and he produced Family 1:10:08.840 --> 1:10:11.880 Ties Full House. 1:10:11.920 --> 1:10:13.080 Right, so they did. 1:10:15.920 --> 1:10:19.120 They rebooted the show. And one of the actresses on 1:10:19.240 --> 1:10:26.600 the show, whose name is Jody's that one Sweden. She 1:10:27.439 --> 1:10:29.960 is in a rock band, her little band, and I 1:10:30.080 --> 1:10:34.400 wrote the song that her band sings. So this is 1:10:34.479 --> 1:10:36.920 like thirty years later that producer who hired me as 1:10:36.960 --> 1:10:40.799 a as an actress, and I was on the pilot 1:10:40.880 --> 1:10:45.400 as the sister of Cindy and Tevin, and we were in. 1:10:45.439 --> 1:10:48.600 This vocal group. Anyway, the pilot went nowhere, but he 1:10:48.720 --> 1:10:53.479 and I remained friends, and like thirty years after the fact, 1:10:53.840 --> 1:10:56.360 I got married at his house. 1:10:57.920 --> 1:11:00.640 In Beverly Hills and then he's said, well, we got 1:11:00.680 --> 1:11:02.240 this show, you want to write this, So I'm right. 1:11:02.360 --> 1:11:05.400 So those relationships that are forged early on in your career, 1:11:05.600 --> 1:11:08.519 if you know how to nurture them, they're just valuable. 1:11:08.680 --> 1:11:13.400 People remember how a professional you were, how important you 1:11:13.479 --> 1:11:15.120 were to the project they were working on, how you 1:11:15.200 --> 1:11:16.600 added your ideas. 1:11:16.400 --> 1:11:19.640 And they remember you for other things. But had I 1:11:19.720 --> 1:11:20.120 been an. 1:11:20.040 --> 1:11:23.160 Asshole on that set, Wait a minute, I'd have. 1:11:23.120 --> 1:11:28.400 Probably gotten married at the town Hall and Compton. Thank 1:11:28.439 --> 1:11:28.960 you very much. 1:11:29.320 --> 1:11:33.479 Wait a minute, you just did you bring Tevin to Quincy? 1:11:34.320 --> 1:11:34.680 I did. 1:11:34.840 --> 1:11:36.440 I was one of the first few people. 1:11:40.439 --> 1:11:42.960 Quincy heard about Tevin from me and from Benny Bedina 1:11:43.080 --> 1:11:46.160 around the same time, because I was I was in 1:11:46.240 --> 1:11:48.120 the show with him, and I knew he could sing. 1:11:48.560 --> 1:11:54.519 Tevin had such a thick accent that I remember talking 1:11:54.560 --> 1:11:57.000 to him about some mark he had on his arm, 1:11:57.080 --> 1:11:58.519 or some really scar on his arm. 1:11:58.560 --> 1:12:01.479 I said, how'd you get that? He said, oh me, 1:12:01.560 --> 1:12:07.640 And we was running and I was running with some silzls. 1:12:08.160 --> 1:12:14.040 I said, you were running with what? Some sizzles? I said, child, where. 1:12:13.880 --> 1:12:14.400 Are you from? 1:12:14.560 --> 1:12:16.360 A waxahatchie Texas. 1:12:18.080 --> 1:12:18.200 Wed. 1:12:18.280 --> 1:12:20.840 They pronounced scissors like silzls. 1:12:21.960 --> 1:12:26.600 Watch, wax a hatchie, that on ju that's that's a 1:12:26.760 --> 1:12:28.240 watch wax. 1:12:28.080 --> 1:12:30.439 A hatchet and the genre baio. There will be a 1:12:30.600 --> 1:12:31.519 test later. 1:12:32.040 --> 1:12:32.800 He loves to ask him. 1:12:32.800 --> 1:12:34.519 By the time he did Frest Prince, that's interesting because 1:12:34.520 --> 1:12:36.920 I was thinking about the Tatiana reunion on the Fresh 1:12:36.960 --> 1:12:38.320 Prince Yeah TV. 1:12:38.360 --> 1:12:45.759 It was deep South. Okay, so you brought him to Quincy? 1:12:46.600 --> 1:12:46.880 Okay? 1:12:47.240 --> 1:12:49.360 Because around the same time that Benny did. 1:12:49.439 --> 1:12:55.760 Like, because I often might have Sunday brunch in a 1:12:56.040 --> 1:13:05.080 certain New York establishment and I and I'll still see 1:13:05.120 --> 1:13:09.719 Bobby Humphrey occasionally, and She'll be like, I'll just covered 1:13:09.760 --> 1:13:13.800 Darren and Gimble because her name was her like logo 1:13:13.920 --> 1:13:15.479 or something was on the first two albums or something 1:13:15.479 --> 1:13:15.600 like that. 1:13:15.800 --> 1:13:18.639 Right, right, sorry, Bobby. 1:13:19.200 --> 1:13:24.080 The way that I've always heard Quincy Jones describe the 1:13:24.200 --> 1:13:29.800 creative process in sourcing material for Michael is that I'm 1:13:29.840 --> 1:13:32.320 always hearing numbers like, yeah, we sat and listened to 1:13:32.479 --> 1:13:35.800 three hundred songs. We sat listened to five hundred songs. 1:13:35.840 --> 1:13:39.160 So I mean, again, today's a whole new different standard. 1:13:39.280 --> 1:13:43.000 So am I to believe that the standard for then 1:13:43.600 --> 1:13:47.920 was that you would go to a certain publishing house 1:13:48.000 --> 1:13:50.479 and just have cassettes and all these songs submitted to you, 1:13:50.720 --> 1:13:52.040 and you just sit there and listen. 1:13:52.120 --> 1:13:54.240 And well, no, Quincy would put the word out to 1:13:55.160 --> 1:13:59.479 songwriters that he respected, yeah, and the new could deliver, 1:14:00.200 --> 1:14:02.800 so and then they would start submitting songs, and I 1:14:02.840 --> 1:14:04.799 would I wouldn't doubt that they've. 1:14:04.920 --> 1:14:07.000 Heard up to three hundred, five hundred songs. 1:14:07.360 --> 1:14:10.960 Because Quincy informed me after I delivered the cassette to 1:14:11.240 --> 1:14:14.360 man in the mirror that he and Michael had been 1:14:14.439 --> 1:14:16.679 in the studio for like two and a half years 1:14:18.000 --> 1:14:21.080 and Michael had yet to record a song he didn't write. 1:14:22.120 --> 1:14:24.680 So Quincy was like, I don't know, ye, I don't know. 1:14:25.160 --> 1:14:28.160 But then he said, don't worry sid if we don't 1:14:28.200 --> 1:14:31.400 record it with Michael on his album, The Bad Album, 1:14:32.160 --> 1:14:34.639 I'll recorded with James Ingram on my album. 1:14:34.800 --> 1:14:40.080 And I'm thinking Michael Jackson James ing had to let 1:14:40.120 --> 1:14:40.240 it go. 1:14:40.479 --> 1:14:43.680 But as it turned out, Michael loved the song, and 1:14:44.360 --> 1:14:46.160 in fact, the first thing he said to me. 1:14:47.760 --> 1:14:52.400 Was I love this song. The second thing he said 1:14:52.439 --> 1:14:54.719 to me was I love your voice. 1:14:55.760 --> 1:14:56.000 Wow. 1:14:56.080 --> 1:15:00.040 It was just I was on Cloud fifty eleven. 1:15:00.680 --> 1:15:03.639 Because this is one of two songs that weren't written 1:15:03.720 --> 1:15:04.200 by him. 1:15:04.200 --> 1:15:06.800 On the album, right. The other one was She's Out 1:15:06.840 --> 1:15:09.360 of My Life Tom Baylor, No, no, no, Well just 1:15:09.439 --> 1:15:12.520 good Friends was oh yeah, yeah, I'm the wrong album song. 1:15:12.439 --> 1:15:17.559 Right right? Okay, so you were hinting to place the song, 1:15:17.760 --> 1:15:19.959 but Quincy was sort of saying. 1:15:19.800 --> 1:15:22.600 Like you knows what Quincy called the meeting with his songwriters, 1:15:22.680 --> 1:15:24.280 his West Coast writers. I think there were like six 1:15:24.439 --> 1:15:26.360 or seven of us, and I was late for the meeting, 1:15:26.479 --> 1:15:29.559 so I tried to sneak in, and everybody's sitting around 1:15:29.600 --> 1:15:31.720 in his living room and he's talking in the middle 1:15:31.720 --> 1:15:33.360 of a sentence, and I'm trying to just stay in 1:15:33.360 --> 1:15:34.759 the back of the room and just sort of slink 1:15:34.840 --> 1:15:35.719 on the side and find. 1:15:35.560 --> 1:15:37.639 Some place to sit out as if. Yeah, and he's 1:15:37.760 --> 1:15:39.160 tracking me with his eyes. 1:15:38.960 --> 1:15:40.800 As I walk across the back of the room and 1:15:40.920 --> 1:15:45.280 he says as I was saying before, I was so rudely. 1:15:45.120 --> 1:15:47.599 Interrupted, you know, just following me, and I'm like going, 1:15:47.640 --> 1:15:48.160 oh shit. 1:15:48.320 --> 1:15:50.040 So, you know, sat in the corner and I took 1:15:50.200 --> 1:15:53.240 copious notes. Then I went to my friend Glenn Balad 1:15:53.240 --> 1:15:55.160 and I said, Quincy's looking for a song for Michael. 1:15:55.439 --> 1:15:57.040 And he said, well, what kind of song does he want? 1:15:57.120 --> 1:15:58.240 And I was like, I don't know. 1:15:58.760 --> 1:16:01.479 So he gets up to go to the keyboard to 1:16:01.560 --> 1:16:03.400 turn it on to get some sounds. 1:16:04.080 --> 1:16:08.160 Cut to two years prior to this day, I'm in 1:16:08.200 --> 1:16:12.160 a writing session with famous jazz pianist John Beasley. Right, 1:16:13.000 --> 1:16:15.679 So John and I are writing, and John also introduced 1:16:15.680 --> 1:16:18.160 me to Sergio Mendez, which is another story. So John 1:16:18.200 --> 1:16:22.640 and I are writing and the phone rings, and I 1:16:22.720 --> 1:16:25.320 thought we were doing some pretty good work. So I 1:16:25.479 --> 1:16:27.519 was waiting for the machine to pick up, and instead 1:16:27.520 --> 1:16:29.680 of him letting his machine pick up the phone, he 1:16:30.080 --> 1:16:32.400 picks up the phone and begins. 1:16:32.080 --> 1:16:34.000 This very banal conversation. 1:16:35.200 --> 1:16:38.960 Ah, nothing, I'm just saying, I'm not and I'm flipping 1:16:39.000 --> 1:16:42.439 through my lyric book saying to myself, No, he didn't 1:16:42.520 --> 1:16:43.759 just say he wasn't doing nothing. 1:16:44.000 --> 1:16:47.400 No, no he didn't. You know, I'm just like, I'm seething, right, 1:16:47.760 --> 1:16:53.120 And then I hear him say the man, what man, Oh, 1:16:53.400 --> 1:16:54.160 the man in the mirror. 1:16:54.280 --> 1:16:56.479 So I wrote down Man in the Mirror. Two years later, 1:16:56.560 --> 1:16:58.720 I'm at Glenn's house. He gets up to turn on 1:16:58.800 --> 1:17:00.600 the keyboard and he's starts. 1:17:00.360 --> 1:17:06.080 Playing doom Doom, Doom, Doom, Doom, doom doom, just to 1:17:06.120 --> 1:17:07.240 get a sound on the keyboard. 1:17:07.400 --> 1:17:09.640 And I'm flipping through my lyric book again, and the 1:17:10.200 --> 1:17:15.080 phrase man in the Mirror literally leapt off the page 1:17:15.600 --> 1:17:16.559 and I could not. 1:17:17.120 --> 1:17:19.599 Write the lyric. Fast en up, I'll tell Glenn. Wait, 1:17:21.360 --> 1:17:23.920 I'm just scribbling frantically, right. 1:17:24.360 --> 1:17:27.559 So in like ten twelve minutes we had the first 1:17:27.720 --> 1:17:30.439 verse and the first chorus to Man in the mirror. 1:17:30.800 --> 1:17:33.519 That was Wednesday night. He said, you go home, finish 1:17:33.600 --> 1:17:35.720 the lyric. I'll finish the track and on Friday we'll 1:17:35.760 --> 1:17:38.840 demo the song. So I demoed this song Friday and 1:17:39.160 --> 1:17:41.760 we finished Friday night, too late to turn it into 1:17:41.840 --> 1:17:48.439 Quest Records. So I called Quincy and I said, cute, Glenn, 1:17:48.439 --> 1:17:50.720 and I have written a great song. He said, great, Sid, 1:17:51.520 --> 1:17:53.800 just turn it into the publishing office and I'll hear 1:17:53.800 --> 1:17:54.799 it on Monday or Tuesday. 1:17:55.160 --> 1:17:57.920 And I said, Quincy, no week. I really just want 1:17:57.960 --> 1:17:59.479 you to he said, sit. I said, just let me. 1:17:59.600 --> 1:18:01.960 Let me hang it over. He said, Sid, I'm in 1:18:02.680 --> 1:18:05.120 a meeting. I have like twelve people sitting in my 1:18:05.240 --> 1:18:09.000 dining room. I know I can't. Quincy has six daughters, 1:18:09.880 --> 1:18:14.360 so he knew he was not going to win this argument, 1:18:15.120 --> 1:18:18.280 so he just said, okay, shit and bring it. 1:18:18.479 --> 1:18:21.160 So I brought this cassette to Quincy's house, knocked on 1:18:21.240 --> 1:18:23.479 the door, and the housekeeper opens the door and calls 1:18:23.520 --> 1:18:27.639 for Quincy. He opens the dining room doors. Sure enough, 1:18:28.160 --> 1:18:31.800 twelve fucking suits looking up at me, going looking at 1:18:31.840 --> 1:18:34.240 their watches like, what the fuck is she? This is 1:18:34.280 --> 1:18:36.439 the look on all what the this must be really 1:18:36.479 --> 1:18:39.719 important because we're doing some shit and she's our meeting. 1:18:39.840 --> 1:18:41.720 So Quincy goes to the door. I give him this 1:18:41.800 --> 1:18:44.479 cassette and I said, cue. The only thing I asked 1:18:44.560 --> 1:18:46.160 is that you just get back to me. 1:18:46.560 --> 1:18:48.720 He said, don't worry. I said, just just he said, 1:18:48.720 --> 1:18:51.200 don't worry shit, close the door, right. 1:18:52.000 --> 1:18:54.360 So I was for him on the spot. 1:18:54.600 --> 1:18:56.760 I wanted to, but he was like, no, look like, 1:18:56.880 --> 1:18:59.160 look at this. No, I got these people. So you know, 1:18:59.360 --> 1:19:01.280 I was glad that he let me bring it. So 1:19:01.840 --> 1:19:04.599 he called me two hours later. I was that house 1:19:04.680 --> 1:19:07.479 at my house, cooking dinner and he picked up the 1:19:07.720 --> 1:19:09.720 I picked up the phone and he said, Sid. 1:19:11.040 --> 1:19:14.920 This is the best song that I've heard in ten years. 1:19:15.280 --> 1:19:19.640 I'm like, yes, and I'm living and best song in 1:19:19.760 --> 1:19:22.240 ten years And I know, he said, but I didn't 1:19:22.240 --> 1:19:24.920 want to hear whatever shit came after you. I just 1:19:25.000 --> 1:19:27.479 want to live in best song in ten years. And 1:19:27.520 --> 1:19:30.560 then he said, but you know, Michael, we've been in 1:19:30.600 --> 1:19:32.719 the studio two and a half years. Michael wasn't Michael. 1:19:33.439 --> 1:19:34.479 He hasn't recorded anything. 1:19:34.840 --> 1:19:39.439 Don't worry, Goods and Donalds, Michael Jackson, James Inger, don't worry. 1:19:39.640 --> 1:19:40.519 So I had to let that go. 1:19:41.080 --> 1:19:45.320 I got a call three days later and Quincy says, 1:19:45.479 --> 1:19:50.840 and I quote Sid, we in the studio recording your 1:19:50.920 --> 1:19:51.960 old piece of song. 1:19:53.000 --> 1:19:57.640 And I'm like yeah. Then he said, but and you 1:19:57.720 --> 1:20:01.479 know how Charlie Brown's teacher talking. You know, you don't 1:20:01.479 --> 1:20:04.040 want you don't want to hear ship so everything after 1:20:04.120 --> 1:20:07.560 but I was, we're recording your song. Let me just 1:20:07.640 --> 1:20:11.920 be in that for a moment. They said, Uh, Michael 1:20:12.000 --> 1:20:12.280 wants you. 1:20:12.479 --> 1:20:16.200 The only thing is the chorus that Michael wants four 1:20:16.280 --> 1:20:18.120 more lines in the chorus and he really want you. 1:20:18.360 --> 1:20:25.080 And he says hold on, and I hear. And Quincy 1:20:25.080 --> 1:20:26.559 gets back on the phone and says, and he really 1:20:26.600 --> 1:20:29.160 wants you to bring home the message that and he 1:20:29.280 --> 1:20:31.599 says things hold on and then I hear. 1:20:35.280 --> 1:20:44.240 Right, So Quincy Jones, he puts Michael Jackson on the motherfucking. 1:20:43.640 --> 1:20:47.680 Phone right now. I don't know about y'all, but when 1:20:47.720 --> 1:20:50.880 I was coming up right now, Michael was my husband, 1:20:51.120 --> 1:20:55.960 was my husband. Mother cousins had teeto with Michael was 1:20:56.200 --> 1:21:00.200 my husband. So in my mind, I'm a on the 1:21:00.280 --> 1:21:03.040 phone with my husband right. 1:21:04.600 --> 1:21:08.439 So I did not want to be Oh. 1:21:08.400 --> 1:21:11.200 My god, my god, let me sit. He said a pass. 1:21:11.360 --> 1:21:11.960 I'm so glad. 1:21:13.040 --> 1:21:19.080 I wanted to be the antithesis of that fan anti fan, 1:21:19.720 --> 1:21:20.320 so I went. 1:21:24.120 --> 1:21:27.040 I went straight telephone operator. 1:21:28.120 --> 1:21:32.080 And I said, how can I help you? I swear 1:21:32.120 --> 1:21:34.000 to God and like I said, the first thing he 1:21:34.000 --> 1:21:36.559 said to me was I love this song. Second thing 1:21:36.680 --> 1:21:38.080 and I love your voice. 1:21:38.160 --> 1:21:38.400 I'm like. 1:21:40.000 --> 1:21:42.400 So two or three days later, quenty calls and says, 1:21:42.760 --> 1:21:45.080 we need you to come down the studio because the 1:21:45.200 --> 1:21:48.320 demo the key is too high for Michael singh, so 1:21:48.360 --> 1:21:49.439 we need to re sing the demo. 1:21:50.120 --> 1:21:50.400 Great. 1:21:51.120 --> 1:21:52.080 I didn't know in the. 1:21:52.120 --> 1:21:56.679 Studio with Quincy Jones, Bruce Swedeen and Michael Jackson. 1:21:58.080 --> 1:22:03.200 So I walk in and he's like, Hi, yeah, you know, 1:22:03.400 --> 1:22:09.519 we're talking and whatever, but I I didn't know why 1:22:11.400 --> 1:22:12.280 he was filming. 1:22:13.720 --> 1:22:16.200 So Quincy said, going and go in the booth and 1:22:16.840 --> 1:22:18.519 sing the song. So I get up to go in 1:22:18.560 --> 1:22:21.000 the booth and Michael gets up with this. It was 1:22:21.080 --> 1:22:24.320 eighties so it was a huge video camera, right, and 1:22:24.439 --> 1:22:28.439 he's following me, and in Spike Lee's Bad twenty five 1:22:28.560 --> 1:22:32.400 Reunion you can see Michael in a reflection in the 1:22:32.479 --> 1:22:38.280 mirror in the studio videotaping me getting ready to sing 1:22:38.400 --> 1:22:39.960 the demo in the new key. 1:22:40.240 --> 1:22:41.760 So I'm looking at the man in. 1:22:41.800 --> 1:22:45.080 The mirror and recording the man in the mirror as 1:22:45.160 --> 1:22:49.720 he's you know. It was just insane, insane. So I'm 1:22:49.760 --> 1:22:51.639 singing this, getting ready to sing the song. I said, 1:22:51.640 --> 1:22:52.000 why are you? 1:22:52.320 --> 1:22:54.240 What are you over my shoulder? I'm like, what are you? 1:22:54.439 --> 1:22:57.439 What are you doing? He says, I want to film 1:22:57.520 --> 1:23:02.360 you singing this song. I said why, Yeah, he said, 1:23:02.400 --> 1:23:07.040 because I want to sing it like you. Wait a minute, 1:23:07.120 --> 1:23:13.519 Wait a minute, I said, wait. I said, great, Mike, Oh, 1:23:13.640 --> 1:23:17.840 my friends are gonna believe me when I tell him 1:23:18.240 --> 1:23:20.439 he wants to sing it like me. So it was 1:23:20.560 --> 1:23:24.560 just just such a weird, weird day. But it was 1:23:24.720 --> 1:23:28.120 one of the the I can't stop smiling talking about it. 1:23:28.880 --> 1:23:34.920 To concentrate with that much pressure because Quincy's there, Michael, 1:23:35.479 --> 1:23:38.360 I got a gazillion Bruce Been questions, Like. 1:23:39.000 --> 1:23:41.280 I just saw Bruce last week. We went to Florida 1:23:41.360 --> 1:23:46.320 to visit. He's in Orlando, Florida, and. 1:23:50.520 --> 1:23:52.799 Oh snap, I could have got you an interview. 1:23:52.920 --> 1:23:55.960 Dude. I will let me know if you go back. 1:23:56.000 --> 1:23:58.880 He would love it. He would absolutely love it. They 1:23:58.920 --> 1:24:01.800 got a horse, rabbits, They got cats. 1:24:05.920 --> 1:24:06.719 They got chickens. 1:24:06.760 --> 1:24:11.439 Oh be Sweeteen has the best chickens I've ever met, 1:24:11.520 --> 1:24:13.120 because they delivered. 1:24:14.840 --> 1:24:15.880 No no, no, I tasted. 1:24:15.960 --> 1:24:20.320 They have amazing eggs and the yolks are so rich. 1:24:20.520 --> 1:24:23.880 They're orange. They're the color of your shirt. Instead of yellow, 1:24:24.000 --> 1:24:28.160 pale ass yellow eggs, these yolks are orange and they 1:24:28.320 --> 1:24:31.720 are delicious. It's because their chickens just eat grass on 1:24:31.800 --> 1:24:37.760 the on the farm chicken and free range eggs. They're fabulous. 1:24:38.160 --> 1:24:41.559 We went from Michael Jackson to free range so fast? 1:24:43.600 --> 1:24:46.160 Have you done this so much that you can effortlessly 1:24:46.520 --> 1:24:50.120 just sing in front of someone when Michael Jackson's freaking 1:24:50.240 --> 1:24:50.680 watching you. 1:24:50.800 --> 1:24:53.479 Okay, here's the thing. And somebody asked me this the 1:24:53.560 --> 1:24:56.000 other day. What's it like to, you know, to record 1:24:56.080 --> 1:24:58.320 with Quincy Jones. Let me just tell you. 1:24:59.000 --> 1:25:01.560 When you're in the room room with someone like that, 1:25:02.400 --> 1:25:05.680 someone of that magnitude, someone who's at the top of 1:25:05.760 --> 1:25:10.240 their game in their game, you want to do the 1:25:10.400 --> 1:25:13.479 best that you can do to impress them. 1:25:14.280 --> 1:25:16.760 So you're you're in it to do your best. 1:25:16.840 --> 1:25:19.240 You're gonna you're gonna bring your best game to this 1:25:19.439 --> 1:25:21.439 table because this is the table that your game needs 1:25:21.479 --> 1:25:23.519 to be played at. So you're gonna be the best 1:25:23.560 --> 1:25:26.040 that you. You're gonna be bring your best self, and 1:25:26.200 --> 1:25:29.280 they're gonna draw even more of that out of you 1:25:29.960 --> 1:25:31.040 because that's their gift. 1:25:32.640 --> 1:25:32.880 Wow. 1:25:34.040 --> 1:25:36.360 Did you take any drugs or anything that day or anything? 1:25:37.280 --> 1:25:40.799 I think, fuck me up. You think I was bouncing 1:25:40.840 --> 1:25:43.240 off the walls, but nothing. I can't. I couldn't know. 1:25:43.520 --> 1:25:43.680 It was. 1:25:44.000 --> 1:25:46.240 Oh, I have a great story for I've told this 1:25:46.320 --> 1:25:50.080 story a couple of times, but it just shows how 1:25:50.280 --> 1:25:54.920 truly human he was. The first time I met him, 1:25:55.160 --> 1:25:57.120 he you know, I just sang the demo and then 1:25:57.120 --> 1:26:00.080 we had some downtime and we were chatting and and 1:26:00.640 --> 1:26:05.840 I looked down. He had on his black Fedora, white 1:26:05.920 --> 1:26:14.120 T shirt Forrest, green corduroy shirt, black pants, one gray sock, 1:26:14.320 --> 1:26:20.840 and one green sock or some shit, right, I said, dude, 1:26:23.520 --> 1:26:28.400 what's up with your socks? He said, oh it was 1:26:28.600 --> 1:26:30.920 it was early in the morning and the room was dark, 1:26:30.960 --> 1:26:32.960 and I just pulled out what was whatever was in 1:26:33.000 --> 1:26:33.240 the door? 1:26:33.280 --> 1:26:35.360 I said, obviously, So we laughed. Whatever. 1:26:35.840 --> 1:26:37.559 So the next time I saw him, a few days 1:26:37.640 --> 1:26:42.400 later to record, we did the duet in Spanish and 1:26:42.600 --> 1:26:44.040 French and in English. 1:26:44.120 --> 1:26:46.000 So I was with him for a week recording right. 1:26:46.560 --> 1:26:49.880 So the next time I saw him, he said sid 1:26:50.560 --> 1:26:52.680 and he called me over, like come here, and he 1:26:52.880 --> 1:26:54.639 pulled pulled his pants up a little higher. 1:26:54.640 --> 1:26:57.760 He said, look at my socks now he was still 1:26:57.800 --> 1:27:00.280 wearing this time. It was a red shirt and the 1:27:00.360 --> 1:27:02.720 white T shirt and the black people. I said, your 1:27:02.920 --> 1:27:05.080 socks are sky blue. 1:27:05.520 --> 1:27:06.959 Okay, they match. 1:27:06.880 --> 1:27:09.720 Each other, but they don't match nothing else you got on. 1:27:10.520 --> 1:27:13.200 So he just he just he just called me crazy 1:27:13.760 --> 1:27:15.720 and he and he said, your name sounds like you 1:27:15.960 --> 1:27:18.479 you you just you just the country. So I'm gonna 1:27:18.479 --> 1:27:22.080 just call you miss Gaary. So he called me Miss Gary. 1:27:24.080 --> 1:27:32.960 There's no joke, that's that's just the story. 1:27:37.800 --> 1:27:41.479 You did the bad tour only for a few weeks. 1:27:41.400 --> 1:27:44.280 Or we rehearsed for They rehearsed for like a month 1:27:44.360 --> 1:27:46.160 and the week. 1:27:46.080 --> 1:27:47.880 Of that, yeah, okay, I was like, wait a minute, 1:27:48.000 --> 1:27:53.519 I saw you sing that just in touring with him. 1:27:54.040 --> 1:27:58.760 How how tedious are rehearsals? How tedious are no? 1:27:58.880 --> 1:28:02.719 Once we rehearsed, it wasn't like Madonna where you would 1:28:03.240 --> 1:28:07.880 you would rehearse and sound check wink wink every show 1:28:08.120 --> 1:28:11.479 because we would always have to rehearse whatever didn't go 1:28:11.640 --> 1:28:13.280 well on the show. 1:28:15.160 --> 1:28:20.559 Oh honey, she would have notede for almost everyone. My cords, 1:28:20.760 --> 1:28:24.200 my guitar, strap, my boot, you know, everything thing everything. 1:28:24.800 --> 1:28:27.720 So but with Michael, we rehearsed for three months and 1:28:27.840 --> 1:28:30.920 that was it. I didn't see him except for two 1:28:30.960 --> 1:28:35.080 hours on the show every night. He didn't rehearse every 1:28:35.080 --> 1:28:38.600 new city. We know, no, because he knew, you know, 1:28:38.720 --> 1:28:39.160 so time. 1:28:39.120 --> 1:28:41.599 For band prayer, He's there and then hit the stage. 1:28:41.840 --> 1:28:42.080 That's it. 1:28:43.160 --> 1:28:43.400 Wow. 1:28:43.920 --> 1:28:44.360 So was it? 1:28:44.479 --> 1:28:46.160 I mean, was it a fun experience. 1:28:45.840 --> 1:28:47.360 Or was it just like, oh my god, it was 1:28:47.400 --> 1:28:49.599 the most fun I've ever had in my life because 1:28:49.600 --> 1:28:52.160 we didn't it wasn't like a bus tour. 1:28:52.320 --> 1:28:54.280 And the part that was the bus tour. I wasn't 1:28:54.320 --> 1:28:58.920 having no bus. No I flew, I couldn't they. I 1:28:58.960 --> 1:29:01.800 did one twelve hour bus us ride and afterwards I. 1:29:01.920 --> 1:29:05.760 Was like, oh, well, no, that's not fun. Hell to 1:29:05.920 --> 1:29:06.400 the now. 1:29:07.040 --> 1:29:07.840 In fact, we. 1:29:07.840 --> 1:29:10.439 Would do a show and me and Greg, me and 1:29:10.560 --> 1:29:13.160 Greg were flying the other you know, we would do 1:29:13.200 --> 1:29:13.519 a show. 1:29:13.880 --> 1:29:16.640 They would shower whatever they're gonna do, get in their pajamas, 1:29:17.479 --> 1:29:21.200 get on the bus, drive to the next city. Me 1:29:21.280 --> 1:29:23.840 and Greg would go back to our hotels, hit it 1:29:23.960 --> 1:29:26.439 with our beds, get up the next day, pack our shit, 1:29:26.920 --> 1:29:30.560 fly in meet them before their bus arrived from the 1:29:30.640 --> 1:29:33.479 day before, and they're getting off the bus Dragon and 1:29:33.520 --> 1:29:34.960 Greg and I are like, we're going to lunch, so 1:29:35.080 --> 1:29:36.160 you got the sound check. 1:29:36.120 --> 1:29:36.280 You know. 1:29:37.560 --> 1:29:43.360 So touring like that was amazing. And when there weren't. 1:29:43.280 --> 1:29:45.880 Buses, we would just fly everywhere because we had our 1:29:45.920 --> 1:29:48.680 own plane and Michael was on his own plane, you know. 1:29:48.840 --> 1:29:52.280 And there was nothing like making fun of the stewardesses 1:29:52.360 --> 1:29:55.880 when they have to do the white lines and we 1:29:55.880 --> 1:29:58.240 would all unbuckle and buckle our seat belts when they 1:29:58.240 --> 1:29:59.920 would do that. And when she would do this like 1:30:00.560 --> 1:30:02.479 the airplanes are coming in the hangar, we'd all do 1:30:02.600 --> 1:30:03.920 our hands like the airplanes would going. 1:30:04.040 --> 1:30:07.560 It was just so much fun. But listen, traveling with 1:30:07.720 --> 1:30:12.760 Michael Jackson. Being on tour with Michael was like being 1:30:13.200 --> 1:30:17.479 one of Jesus's disciples. Baby. 1:30:18.400 --> 1:30:20.880 We used to hate it when we were in the 1:30:20.920 --> 1:30:23.880 same hotel as Michael because usually the hotel would coordinate 1:30:23.920 --> 1:30:26.840 with your position on the tour. A hotels were for Michael, 1:30:26.880 --> 1:30:29.960 his guests, his friends. B hotels was for the band 1:30:30.000 --> 1:30:33.240 and the singers. C hotels was for the crew, right, 1:30:33.920 --> 1:30:35.720 So there were times when there was no A and B, 1:30:36.000 --> 1:30:38.040 it was only A and C. So those are the 1:30:38.080 --> 1:30:41.000 times when we had to be in Michael's hotel. Fucking 1:30:41.040 --> 1:30:49.720 hated it because all night, you know, it was just insane, 1:30:50.479 --> 1:30:52.479 could not and then Michael would like peek out the 1:30:52.520 --> 1:30:55.080 window and then they'd go in freakingsane, you know. 1:30:55.280 --> 1:30:57.719 So it was never he liked that kind of energy. 1:30:57.840 --> 1:30:59.760 We just wanted some wrist. We wanted to get some 1:31:00.400 --> 1:31:01.679 So we were happy when we were. 1:31:01.600 --> 1:31:04.200 In a different hotel than Michael was in because his 1:31:04.320 --> 1:31:08.479 fans are like fanatics, they are truly fanatic. 1:31:08.600 --> 1:31:12.559 In fact, we were in Spain and I will never 1:31:12.720 --> 1:31:13.160 forget this. 1:31:14.120 --> 1:31:19.040 We had a day off in Spain and Spain leather shoes, handbags, hello, 1:31:19.560 --> 1:31:21.479 So we were going shopping. So we changed the money 1:31:21.479 --> 1:31:24.599 at the desk, so we got our little Spanish money 1:31:24.600 --> 1:31:27.000 and we're going out of the hotel. Now they cordoned 1:31:27.040 --> 1:31:29.160 off the fans because it was like a sea of 1:31:29.240 --> 1:31:31.920 fans in front of this hotel. So but for the guests, 1:31:31.960 --> 1:31:33.800 they needed to rope off a path so the guests 1:31:33.840 --> 1:31:36.280 can come. So we're counting the money and putting money 1:31:36.320 --> 1:31:38.639 in my person was trying to figure out where we're 1:31:38.680 --> 1:31:39.479 gonna go have lunch. 1:31:39.640 --> 1:31:42.600 And we walked down through this sea of people, this 1:31:42.840 --> 1:31:48.840 opening like Moses, and from behind me, I hear, hey, 1:31:49.720 --> 1:31:53.280 that's sight to Garrett baby. I look behind me and 1:31:53.360 --> 1:31:54.200 people were like, come. 1:31:54.520 --> 1:31:57.439 Me and my friend took off running down the street 1:31:57.479 --> 1:32:00.200 in Spain and we're running, running and looking at him 1:32:00.200 --> 1:32:00.639 and they're coming. 1:32:00.760 --> 1:32:03.200 Afterwards, I said, oh my god, what are they gonna 1:32:03.240 --> 1:32:07.160 do when they fucking kiss us? It was just insane 1:32:07.240 --> 1:32:09.720 and we were running and running and then somebody must 1:32:09.800 --> 1:32:12.840 have said, hey, we're three blocks from the hotel. We 1:32:12.920 --> 1:32:16.599 better what if Michael comes out? So they then turned around. 1:32:16.920 --> 1:32:20.360 But that was the most harrowing time, and that's when 1:32:20.400 --> 1:32:25.240 I realized, this is Michael every day. It's insane. Well, 1:32:25.280 --> 1:32:27.000 they're gonna pull my hair and just have a remnant. 1:32:27.040 --> 1:32:29.479 Look what I got. Yeah, I don't know. It was insane, 1:32:30.000 --> 1:32:32.360 and it really scared me to think about that's what 1:32:32.560 --> 1:32:33.720 his whole life was. 1:32:34.479 --> 1:32:36.439 Did y'all sing I just can't stop loving you together? 1:32:36.520 --> 1:32:39.720 Did y'all record that together? Or was it so you 1:32:40.280 --> 1:32:41.080 you were in his face? 1:32:41.160 --> 1:32:42.439 Yes? I told you two. 1:32:42.560 --> 1:32:46.439 Mike stands one here, one here, and and the lyrics said, 1:32:46.720 --> 1:32:49.240 I just can't stop loving you, Michael sayidam that it 1:32:49.400 --> 1:32:52.360 was in that moment that I realized, oh my god, 1:32:52.720 --> 1:32:54.920 I'm singing a duet with the fucking king of pop. 1:32:55.360 --> 1:32:56.320 Unbelievable. 1:32:56.479 --> 1:32:59.400 And I, in answer to your question, all I wanted 1:32:59.439 --> 1:33:03.400 to do was just delivered my best to impress him 1:33:03.720 --> 1:33:05.560 and Quincy, look what I can do. 1:33:06.560 --> 1:33:09.160 That's man, that's so much pressure though, because it's like 1:33:09.640 --> 1:33:10.320 I felt, it was. 1:33:10.360 --> 1:33:12.439 Like, this is where I get to show them what 1:33:12.880 --> 1:33:15.200 I have. No, there was no crackage. 1:33:15.960 --> 1:33:17.160 You were just completely confident. 1:33:17.479 --> 1:33:19.160 Yeah, because I've been dying. 1:33:19.000 --> 1:33:20.800 So they hear it in a song you do, I 1:33:20.880 --> 1:33:23.240 just can't stop loving and you're like, oh oh that moment. 1:33:23.280 --> 1:33:24.920 I just wondered when Michael Jackson was thinking. 1:33:24.960 --> 1:33:25.400 He loved it. 1:33:25.680 --> 1:33:29.360 He loved it, he loved it. We had so much fun, man. 1:33:29.520 --> 1:33:31.360 And there was one time in Japan, I think it 1:33:31.400 --> 1:33:33.840 was New Year's Eve or something. I came out on 1:33:34.000 --> 1:33:36.479 stage and this was before people were doing colors in 1:33:36.560 --> 1:33:39.639 their hair. I came out on stage with a little 1:33:40.280 --> 1:33:43.720 hot magenta pink bob and then when Michael turned and 1:33:43.760 --> 1:33:48.000 said each time he started laughing so. 1:33:48.320 --> 1:33:51.320 Hard he couldn't even sing. He was laughing so hard. 1:33:51.520 --> 1:33:55.760 It was so funny. It was so funny. My hair 1:33:55.840 --> 1:33:57.840 was usually like this, and I want to switch it 1:33:57.960 --> 1:33:59.719 up just to see what fucking happened. 1:34:00.439 --> 1:34:02.800 And he could not stop laughing. He said, that was 1:34:02.880 --> 1:34:04.639 really funny. That was really funny. 1:34:04.960 --> 1:34:11.120 Wow, that's thank you for sharing that. Thank you all 1:34:11.200 --> 1:34:14.240 right back on the block. Actually have a Michael. Were 1:34:14.240 --> 1:34:15.920 there any other songs that you guys recorded together that 1:34:15.960 --> 1:34:18.000 didn't come out or no? 1:34:18.760 --> 1:34:22.080 The only other thing we did was keep the Faith 1:34:22.160 --> 1:34:23.200 right off, Keep the Faith? Yeah. 1:34:23.960 --> 1:34:25.720 Wait a minute, Okay, now we can get to the 1:34:25.720 --> 1:34:31.120 bottom of Got the Hots versus? Oh yeah, okay, So 1:34:32.200 --> 1:34:33.400 on your solo record. 1:34:35.280 --> 1:34:38.840 My ill fated solo we have it, all right, So 1:34:39.240 --> 1:34:40.920 we have it. We had to. 1:34:45.040 --> 1:34:48.439 You did baby got a bed with Rod Temperton? 1:34:48.600 --> 1:34:48.800 Yes? 1:34:50.479 --> 1:34:59.000 Can you? Yeah? He's what is Rod Temperton? Like I 1:34:59.120 --> 1:35:02.280 know one of my one of my regrets was just 1:35:02.439 --> 1:35:05.639 not I mean, besides the Twitter relationship, I really didn't 1:35:05.640 --> 1:35:08.040 get a you know, a chance to stick the brain 1:35:08.120 --> 1:35:09.479 And yeah he was. 1:35:09.960 --> 1:35:17.240 Rod Temperton was the most amazing songwriter that I've ever met. 1:35:18.439 --> 1:35:21.840 Rod Temperton has a work ethic that was like none other. 1:35:22.840 --> 1:35:27.800 Rod Temperton hated the press, he hated the interviews. He 1:35:27.840 --> 1:35:30.760 would never agree to do any he didn't want. He 1:35:31.000 --> 1:35:33.439 just wanted to be the guy who wrote the great 1:35:33.560 --> 1:35:37.320 songs and was behind the behind the scenes kind of guy. 1:35:39.640 --> 1:35:43.720 When we were recording my Kiss of Life album, we 1:35:43.800 --> 1:35:49.960 were in the student at this studio on Westlake Studios 1:35:50.080 --> 1:35:52.360 and Rod had a couple of studios going at the 1:35:52.360 --> 1:35:54.160 same time because we were under pressure to get this 1:35:54.280 --> 1:35:59.719 record done. So one night we were recording and Rod 1:36:00.040 --> 1:36:04.240 add a toothache and he was he was like a 1:36:04.360 --> 1:36:07.599 serious smoker. I can't even remember seeing his face without 1:36:07.760 --> 1:36:11.400 him having a cigarette hanging from his fingers. So he 1:36:11.479 --> 1:36:13.400 was smoking a cigarette and he's going like this with 1:36:13.520 --> 1:36:16.240 his hand on his face, on his jaw. 1:36:16.520 --> 1:36:19.120 I'm like, what's wrong? He said of a toothache. Was 1:36:19.200 --> 1:36:20.400 that s all right? Can we can we do it 1:36:20.439 --> 1:36:23.960 one more time? I'm like, Rod, you should call a dentist. 1:36:24.000 --> 1:36:25.680 He said, all right, he said it's all right, So 1:36:25.800 --> 1:36:27.400 he said, go ahead and sing song one more time. 1:36:27.479 --> 1:36:30.800 While I was singing the song, Rod had sent one 1:36:30.840 --> 1:36:33.560 of the engineers into the toolbox. 1:36:34.640 --> 1:36:46.800 No wait for it, No rod took a pair of flyers. 1:36:53.520 --> 1:36:57.240 He gripped that tooth, yanked it out of his mouth, 1:37:01.280 --> 1:37:04.160 took a swig of his cigarette, a drink of his coffee, 1:37:04.200 --> 1:37:05.880 and said one more take please. 1:37:10.400 --> 1:37:17.000 Gangster Wow, wow, gangster wow. 1:37:17.320 --> 1:37:23.120 He was like that, that's the kind of hell man. 1:37:25.840 --> 1:37:30.519 You said there and watched that I was, and then 1:37:30.520 --> 1:37:30.840 he's like. 1:37:31.680 --> 1:37:35.200 And then he's like, you gotta be bleeding profusely washing 1:37:35.280 --> 1:37:38.519 it all down with the coffee and cigarette coffee. 1:37:38.600 --> 1:37:45.400 Yeah, yeah, I think that's cool. 1:37:46.600 --> 1:37:48.800 Sounds like the white guy thing. 1:37:49.080 --> 1:37:53.080 I gotta be a white that's something. Yeah, but you 1:37:53.200 --> 1:37:53.880 could never pull that. 1:37:54.160 --> 1:37:58.160 I wouldn't have the You could never pull coffee coffee. 1:37:59.560 --> 1:38:01.640 You were for thirty years. You don't know that his 1:38:01.720 --> 1:38:04.200 dad's a dentist. I'm like, I've known you for all 1:38:04.280 --> 1:38:05.680 my life and I didn't know your dad was a 1:38:05.760 --> 1:38:10.479 Gis that explains your teeth? 1:38:11.080 --> 1:38:12.880 Well? Gifts? 1:38:15.479 --> 1:38:15.840 What are the. 1:38:18.520 --> 1:38:27.000 Checks? I love it? Okay, wait, yeah for it? Yeah 1:38:27.000 --> 1:38:30.280 I got so. We didn't get the answer. It's a 1:38:30.320 --> 1:38:31.800 baby got a bed. Yeah, I was going to say. 1:38:32.200 --> 1:38:32.240 So. 1:38:33.000 --> 1:38:35.439 The thing is is that we have a version who 1:38:35.479 --> 1:38:40.200 got the Hots that's on kind of a Michael box 1:38:40.240 --> 1:38:43.360 set that has him credit as the sole writer of it. 1:38:43.560 --> 1:38:46.600 Michael, Right, Okay, so when we. 1:38:46.680 --> 1:38:53.240 Heard baby Got in Bed, I realized that that's basically 1:38:53.600 --> 1:38:56.280 Got the Hots, which explains to me that so that 1:38:57.080 --> 1:38:59.639 Rod Timperton did the music correct. 1:39:00.400 --> 1:39:01.879 Probably I'm trying. 1:39:01.680 --> 1:39:04.880 To figure out how. So how did you get the 1:39:05.000 --> 1:39:05.799 track before? 1:39:06.280 --> 1:39:09.000 I don't know what track you're talking about, Got the Hots? 1:39:09.040 --> 1:39:12.080 I'm not okay, it was a thriller out take? Play it? 1:39:12.200 --> 1:39:16.719 Do you never heard the original reference that Got the Hots? 1:39:16.880 --> 1:39:16.920 No? 1:39:17.760 --> 1:39:20.840 This is incredible. Okay, so this is uh, Got the 1:39:20.920 --> 1:39:25.559 Hots an outtake? So you got to the bottom of nothing, right, 1:39:25.680 --> 1:39:27.599 But now we're all going to walk away in lighten 1:39:28.160 --> 1:39:29.519 and I get to hear it Got the Hots for 1:39:29.600 --> 1:39:29.960 a minute. 1:39:30.000 --> 1:39:39.880 Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I have heard this before. Okay, 1:39:42.600 --> 1:39:44.120 that's Rod Tipperton. 1:39:44.200 --> 1:39:45.040 To his core. 1:39:47.800 --> 1:39:49.599 Does he demo everything himself? 1:39:50.520 --> 1:39:51.960 Yeah? I sang a lot of his demos. 1:39:55.160 --> 1:39:58.400 Can you play the other one? Okay? Has he played? 1:39:58.439 --> 1:40:00.559 Have you heard Groove of Midnight? Michael's version of Groove 1:40:00.600 --> 1:40:04.240 of Midnight? Yeah, that was one of the songs that 1:40:04.280 --> 1:40:05.120 didn't make the album. 1:40:06.280 --> 1:40:11.400 Wait, I love it when you freak out the nerds night. 1:40:12.280 --> 1:40:15.480 We're in the wam the sweetest? 1:40:17.080 --> 1:40:18.559 Do you do you own this. 1:40:22.479 --> 1:40:22.919 Somewhere? 1:40:23.080 --> 1:40:24.040 Are we going to be best friend? 1:40:24.560 --> 1:40:27.360 You gotta be my friend now of course, shake my 1:40:27.439 --> 1:40:27.880 hand again. 1:40:28.200 --> 1:40:30.880 Absolutely, Larry again. 1:40:30.960 --> 1:40:35.400 You know I'm gonna start calling you lady. That's fine, 1:40:35.439 --> 1:40:39.519 I'll be Larry. Let's compare it to babies, yes, Nerd, 1:40:39.680 --> 1:40:46.240 all right, so this baby's got it also with take 1:40:46.320 --> 1:40:47.479 rude off from production right. 1:40:47.640 --> 1:40:59.920 Yes, I used to love to sing Chariot, I. 1:41:07.960 --> 1:41:18.439 Think study it's get to say that the bull and 1:41:18.760 --> 1:41:23.960 crazy my body is a fuck the law. 1:41:27.600 --> 1:41:33.840 When come down to the mole, take them and you know, 1:41:34.760 --> 1:41:41.040 preble to let up the bread. 1:41:45.360 --> 1:42:07.800 Robot, spose all your backgrounds and when you're doing that, 1:42:07.880 --> 1:42:08.320 are you making? 1:42:08.400 --> 1:42:10.680 Are you Is that just like off the top of 1:42:10.680 --> 1:42:12.280 your head? Oh no, no, no, no no no. 1:42:12.760 --> 1:42:16.080 Rod had all the chords, all the notes written out, 1:42:16.160 --> 1:42:19.080 and he played me what notes to say, yes. 1:42:19.400 --> 1:42:26.200 Yes, I always. I concluded that maybe praps Mike didn't 1:42:26.520 --> 1:42:29.320 see it to completion because it didn't allow him to 1:42:31.520 --> 1:42:34.519 as an entertainer exactly because he was confined. It was 1:42:34.560 --> 1:42:38.120 a brilliant song, though, And that's the thing, like, especially 1:42:38.360 --> 1:42:41.920 with the work that Right has done, especially when like 1:42:42.040 --> 1:42:45.519 Johnny Wilder is in the lead doing the heat heat 1:42:45.520 --> 1:42:51.120 wave stuff and oh yeah, all those harm you know. 1:42:51.200 --> 1:42:57.479 There's there's one song in on Central Heating where at 1:42:57.520 --> 1:42:59.720 the very end it's called put the word out out. 1:42:59.760 --> 1:43:04.479 Yes yes, yes, yes, so's There's there's one song which 1:43:04.600 --> 1:43:09.960 Johnny Wilder actually gives himself some debt because he mastered 1:43:10.840 --> 1:43:13.120 like for like nine minutes he had to sing this 1:43:13.400 --> 1:43:17.160 really intricate harmony part and at the end, at the 1:43:17.240 --> 1:43:20.120 end of the song, Johnny Wilders like, I'm the best. 1:43:20.280 --> 1:43:26.240 I did that for ten moretherfucking minutes. It's it's it's 1:43:26.320 --> 1:43:35.400 really great movie. I love the callback. So when when 1:43:36.400 --> 1:43:39.360 when you when you're called for a project like back 1:43:39.439 --> 1:43:42.680 on the Block and subsequently listen up and there's so 1:43:42.840 --> 1:43:47.160 many players in it, like how God, what are your 1:43:47.200 --> 1:43:50.519 memories of tackling that project? 1:43:51.240 --> 1:43:53.840 That was I was just in awe to be in 1:43:53.960 --> 1:43:57.280 the room because you never knew who was gonna show up. 1:43:57.360 --> 1:44:02.320 I mean that album was Ella Fitzgerald, Sarah von. 1:44:02.920 --> 1:44:13.719 Barry White of Miles Davis, Algirou, who's the cheeks, che Dizzey, 1:44:13.760 --> 1:44:17.519 the last Pitch, all these people that was their last project, right, 1:44:17.840 --> 1:44:21.640 So I have a story. Barry White was doing the 1:44:21.680 --> 1:44:26.280 Secret Garden, right, So Quincy and Barry are talking in 1:44:26.360 --> 1:44:29.880 a little area between the recording booth and the vocal booth. 1:44:29.920 --> 1:44:32.639 There was like a little hallway at Westlake Gifts. 1:44:33.160 --> 1:44:35.960 So they're and they're talking, and I'm going from either 1:44:36.000 --> 1:44:38.000 from the booth into the studio or from the studio 1:44:38.080 --> 1:44:40.280 into the booth, but I had to pass them. And 1:44:40.360 --> 1:44:45.720 they're talking, and Barry's dog talking, and I'm standing there waiting. 1:44:45.479 --> 1:44:48.439 To say something to Quincy. And while Barry is speaking, 1:44:49.880 --> 1:44:55.679 my ribs are vibrating, and I said, excuse me, mister White, 1:44:56.640 --> 1:44:57.120 I'm gonna have. 1:44:57.120 --> 1:45:01.639 To lead, because right now you are inside me. Yeah, 1:45:01.840 --> 1:45:04.280 it was just so intense. He his voice was so 1:45:04.600 --> 1:45:08.840 rich and so deep. My rib cage was vibrating from 1:45:08.920 --> 1:45:14.320 the tone in his voice. Baby, they nothing like having 1:45:14.400 --> 1:45:16.280 Berry White inside. I'm telling you. 1:45:16.960 --> 1:45:19.720 I'm telling you now, but it is something like that 1:45:19.880 --> 1:45:22.479 overwhelming or by this point, you're just like eight. I 1:45:22.600 --> 1:45:24.000 was loving it every day. 1:45:24.080 --> 1:45:27.880 Oh hey, no, No, you knew it was special. You 1:45:28.040 --> 1:45:31.840 knew that that was some shit that didn't happen every day. 1:45:32.560 --> 1:45:36.719 You knew that these people only came because it was Quincy. 1:45:36.960 --> 1:45:40.000 I mean, Ray Charles, you know, Dizzy Gillespie, come on. 1:45:40.960 --> 1:45:46.759 So it was just it was a rich history lesson 1:45:47.040 --> 1:45:51.720 every day the musical history that Quincy surrounds himself with 1:45:52.320 --> 1:45:53.880 and has inside of him. 1:45:54.120 --> 1:45:56.360 I mean since he was fourteen years old. That's and 1:45:56.800 --> 1:46:01.920 almost every decade he's been relevant ever since. Six decades 1:46:02.200 --> 1:46:05.600 of relevance in the music business. Who does that? You know? 1:46:06.240 --> 1:46:09.840 It's just I just wanted to be a sponge. 1:46:09.920 --> 1:46:13.519 I just wanted to soak up all the goodness, all 1:46:13.560 --> 1:46:18.320 the richness, all the musicality, all the experience, all the 1:46:18.479 --> 1:46:21.439 talent that I could possibly soak up while I was 1:46:21.479 --> 1:46:22.200 in their presence. 1:46:23.600 --> 1:46:24.760 What did they say you you are? 1:46:25.240 --> 1:46:29.000 Your collective intelligence is is a some of the seven 1:46:29.040 --> 1:46:31.120 people you surround yourself with or something like that. 1:46:31.680 --> 1:46:46.160 That's well in a room like that, But. 1:46:47.560 --> 1:46:49.479 That was that was to me as the only new 1:46:49.600 --> 1:46:50.600 person at the time of. 1:46:52.080 --> 1:46:54.719 She was on cut Joint, Joint Joint. 1:46:54.760 --> 1:46:56.400 Right back of the block, and Rod wrote the song 1:46:56.479 --> 1:46:57.799 for her and I sang the demo. 1:46:59.560 --> 1:47:03.599 Voices was my baby angela Field in my head. 1:47:04.040 --> 1:47:04.479 Want to do it. 1:47:06.200 --> 1:47:07.160 First? Yeah. 1:47:07.240 --> 1:47:09.639 Misha had a great relationship with Rod. He loved going 1:47:09.680 --> 1:47:12.400 back to London and recording stuff with her. She's awesome. 1:47:12.920 --> 1:47:13.920 I sang her demos too. 1:47:14.080 --> 1:47:16.840 For when Rod would write in La, I'd sing the 1:47:16.880 --> 1:47:19.719 demos and then he'd go to Europe and playing for Misha. 1:47:20.320 --> 1:47:23.200 Rod never let out his music. 1:47:23.320 --> 1:47:24.800 If he was going to have a meeting with an 1:47:24.840 --> 1:47:28.040 an R person for to play music for their artists, 1:47:28.479 --> 1:47:32.120 he would go there, play the music and take his 1:47:32.200 --> 1:47:33.479 ship right back with him, because if. 1:47:33.400 --> 1:47:34.800 You didn't like it, then you're not gonna like it 1:47:34.880 --> 1:47:36.840 in twenty minutes, so you're not gonna like it. 1:47:37.560 --> 1:47:39.760 He never left any of his music with anybody. No, 1:47:42.600 --> 1:47:44.639 and he didn't do the demos until he got the job. 1:47:45.200 --> 1:47:46.800 Then he would demo, do you like this song? 1:47:46.920 --> 1:47:47.240 This song? 1:47:47.400 --> 1:47:48.519 Or we were like that? 1:47:49.520 --> 1:47:53.040 Really, because right had that thriller money, he didn't give 1:47:53.040 --> 1:47:57.439 a ship, he really didn't. He did it because he 1:47:57.560 --> 1:47:59.760 loved the music. He didn't need the money. In fact 1:47:59.800 --> 1:48:02.240 that you know, he didn't care about that. Rod Timber 1:48:02.280 --> 1:48:05.719 didn't didn't even drive a car. He didn't own a vehicle. 1:48:06.520 --> 1:48:08.960 In fact, his wife had to come on, Roddie, I 1:48:09.040 --> 1:48:11.080 need a car, you know to you know. But Rod 1:48:11.120 --> 1:48:14.519 had a relationship with the Yellow Cab service Way before Uber. 1:48:14.840 --> 1:48:17.680 Rod was like having the cabs coming, taking to get groceries, 1:48:17.720 --> 1:48:18.880 taking him buy cigarettes. 1:48:18.960 --> 1:48:19.080 You know. 1:48:19.840 --> 1:48:20.800 Wow, he was a trip. 1:48:20.880 --> 1:48:22.160 And Quincy doesn't drive either. 1:48:23.240 --> 1:48:24.960 Wowow, Quincy Jones, I wouldn't drive. 1:48:25.040 --> 1:48:26.200 Quincy never learned to drive. 1:48:26.439 --> 1:48:28.519 You're not Quincy Johnes know how to drive. 1:48:28.880 --> 1:48:30.679 Quincy Jones? Do you so often? 1:48:30.720 --> 1:48:31.720 Do you really him? 1:48:32.280 --> 1:48:36.080 I spend every Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner with Quincy Jones. 1:48:36.120 --> 1:48:37.960 And I talked to him throughout the year, depending on 1:48:38.280 --> 1:48:41.320 who dies, what's happening, because he said, all my friends 1:48:41.360 --> 1:48:44.200 are dead. It's very worry about him. 1:48:44.200 --> 1:48:46.080 So yeah, yeah. 1:48:46.160 --> 1:48:48.639 And he said to me, like when Ray Charles passed 1:48:48.680 --> 1:48:50.800 and then Rod Temperton passed and I was talking to 1:48:50.920 --> 1:48:51.679 him about funerals. 1:48:51.720 --> 1:48:54.080 He said, oh shit, I can't. I can't go to 1:48:54.200 --> 1:48:56.720 another funeral. Said if I went to every funeral with 1:48:56.840 --> 1:48:59.080 the people that I know, I'd be at a funeral 1:48:59.120 --> 1:48:59.519 every week. 1:49:00.360 --> 1:49:00.559 Wow. 1:49:00.640 --> 1:49:02.480 He said, I'm done with funerals. 1:49:03.680 --> 1:49:08.960 Wow. I gotta respect that respect until you die, until 1:49:10.400 --> 1:49:15.080 I won't know that. So you, uh, you wrote the 1:49:15.320 --> 1:49:17.479 lyrics for tomorrow correct? Yes, for. 1:49:20.760 --> 1:49:21.680 Better you better Me? 1:49:21.840 --> 1:49:22.200 Babe? 1:49:24.160 --> 1:49:25.320 Oh you said it was your favorite? 1:49:25.360 --> 1:49:25.519 It was? 1:49:25.600 --> 1:49:27.320 Do you know they will show our hopes and yes, 1:49:27.640 --> 1:49:30.040 you never cry any of these songs. Man in the mirror. 1:49:30.400 --> 1:49:31.280 Tomorrow you never. 1:49:31.439 --> 1:49:35.040 Tomorrow actually makes me kind of yeah, like that's tomorrow 1:49:35.160 --> 1:49:37.400 will be okay. I'll tell you what. 1:49:37.680 --> 1:49:39.559 It reminds me when I was a kid and tomorrow 1:49:39.680 --> 1:49:42.120 is so far away and now tomorrow's here and I'm like, damn, 1:49:42.920 --> 1:49:43.639 this is tomorrow. 1:49:44.400 --> 1:49:45.559 But it's never far away. 1:49:45.640 --> 1:49:45.880 It's not. 1:49:47.320 --> 1:49:49.800 I can always be sure of Yeah, get it all 1:49:50.160 --> 1:49:53.880 to be strong, get it on, get on to be strong. 1:49:55.880 --> 1:50:00.800 Yeah, I mean I'm pep. Actually, I I'm gonna make 1:50:00.800 --> 1:50:03.240 a confession. Actually didn't know that that song was originally 1:50:03.240 --> 1:50:06.320 an instrumental. Yeah, because the lyrics just fit it so perfectly. 1:50:06.400 --> 1:50:06.680 Thank you. 1:50:09.320 --> 1:50:14.920 No, see, I didn't know that there were lyrics. Well 1:50:15.040 --> 1:50:17.680 that's the thing. There weren't, right, I get it now, 1:50:17.920 --> 1:50:21.200 just like, uh, what's his name? The jazz guy that 1:50:21.600 --> 1:50:26.840 Eddie Eddie Harris who always adds lyrics to you know. 1:50:27.680 --> 1:50:31.680 So as a soul training a file, I have to 1:50:31.760 --> 1:50:37.519 say that usually where I come from in soul training ology, 1:50:37.720 --> 1:50:40.800 depending on what time it comes on, either wrestling's coming 1:50:40.840 --> 1:50:46.600 on right before that or America's Top ten. Yes, So 1:50:47.200 --> 1:50:49.600 I was really happy during your duration. 1:50:49.400 --> 1:50:51.360 Of that was so much fun, man. 1:50:51.560 --> 1:50:55.120 I mean, Casey Kasem called me one day and tell 1:50:55.160 --> 1:50:56.720 me I was doing a really great job because I 1:50:56.720 --> 1:50:58.560 would suffer him when he was go on vacation or 1:50:58.600 --> 1:51:02.200 if he something. I don't remember how that happened, I 1:51:02.320 --> 1:51:06.640 really don't, but I remember doing the show and they 1:51:06.720 --> 1:51:10.320 really wanted me to continue, but I it was painful 1:51:10.400 --> 1:51:14.439 for me because every week I would announce all my 1:51:14.560 --> 1:51:15.439 friends going up. 1:51:15.400 --> 1:51:18.479 The charts, Tevin Madonna, they were all, you know, and 1:51:18.520 --> 1:51:20.360 I would this week on the you know, and I 1:51:20.439 --> 1:51:22.640 felt kind of left out. It was like on the 1:51:22.720 --> 1:51:25.080 outside and it was kind of painful. So I didn't 1:51:25.080 --> 1:51:27.360 want to do it anymore. And they were like, but 1:51:27.479 --> 1:51:29.000 you're so good at this. I said, but I don't. 1:51:29.160 --> 1:51:32.400 I don't want to do it. It was fun. I 1:51:32.479 --> 1:51:35.400 remember when Casey Casem was having his first child and 1:51:36.160 --> 1:51:38.360 he was trying to figure out what to name the kid, 1:51:39.040 --> 1:51:43.040 and I said, you know what, Casey, I don't care 1:51:43.160 --> 1:51:46.719 what you call them, just don't call them justin Casey. 1:51:50.439 --> 1:51:56.840 But I actually did say that. 1:52:01.840 --> 1:52:02.600 But I'm working on. 1:52:06.560 --> 1:52:08.560 Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna cut to the chase just 1:52:08.880 --> 1:52:11.439 because we'll be here for nine hours. How did you 1:52:11.880 --> 1:52:13.679 come across Brand New Heavies? 1:52:14.600 --> 1:52:15.240 Oh my gosh. 1:52:15.360 --> 1:52:20.200 I was assigned to write with each one of the 1:52:20.280 --> 1:52:22.120 members of the Brand New Heavies for the next album, 1:52:22.600 --> 1:52:26.799 just as a songwriter. So I would get these tracks 1:52:27.000 --> 1:52:30.559 and I would demo them and send them to London, 1:52:30.720 --> 1:52:33.599 or I would go to London and demo the songs 1:52:33.720 --> 1:52:36.120 after I'd written. It was just me writing with an 1:52:36.200 --> 1:52:39.559 equal number of songs for an equal for each member 1:52:39.600 --> 1:52:40.000 of the group. 1:52:40.240 --> 1:52:42.479 Right, did they know they were all writing with you? 1:52:43.000 --> 1:52:43.200 Yeah? 1:52:43.520 --> 1:52:45.280 Okay, I thought it was like no, no, no, no, 1:52:45.320 --> 1:52:46.280 no no no no, no, no, no no. 1:52:46.960 --> 1:52:48.760 It was my job to write with each one of 1:52:48.840 --> 1:52:52.200 them for their record because the last album, the drummer 1:52:52.240 --> 1:52:54.720 wrote all the songs. And they were great on the road, 1:52:54.760 --> 1:52:56.840 you know, buying clothes and living it up on the road, 1:52:57.000 --> 1:52:59.000 and then they went home to their little apartments while 1:52:59.000 --> 1:53:00.559 the drummer bought a car and got. 1:53:00.520 --> 1:53:01.400 A new flat and you know. 1:53:01.479 --> 1:53:05.080 So they were like, hey, we're equal members of the group, right, 1:53:05.400 --> 1:53:08.720 so we should all get a part of the written, right, 1:53:08.800 --> 1:53:09.200 We're all. 1:53:09.160 --> 1:53:11.240 Going to be written, right, We're all writing. 1:53:11.800 --> 1:53:14.640 So I had to write with any equal number of 1:53:14.960 --> 1:53:17.439 songs for each member of the group song. 1:53:18.800 --> 1:53:22.920 I think it was the drummer. Yeah, y. 1:53:24.439 --> 1:53:29.160 That you might not be aware, but that Dili remix 1:53:29.640 --> 1:53:33.479 changed lives. Oh my god, I remember, don't even know 1:53:33.640 --> 1:53:35.400 it what REMIXX? 1:53:37.120 --> 1:53:39.640 Yes, yes, yes, I love you And I see him. 1:53:40.040 --> 1:53:42.639 I hadn't seen him since for like ten years after 1:53:42.680 --> 1:53:45.200 the record, and I didn't know if he'd remember whatever. 1:53:46.880 --> 1:53:49.760 And he said, the am a mix, of course I 1:53:49.880 --> 1:53:52.280 remember you. The I'm a mixed brand new. It was 1:53:52.360 --> 1:53:54.479 really good. That was that was an awesome that was 1:53:54.560 --> 1:53:55.880 that mix was better than the record. 1:53:58.600 --> 1:54:00.800 Yeah, the whole record. I don't even know if you're 1:54:00.840 --> 1:54:03.960 ware it. Like the guy who did the track music 1:54:05.520 --> 1:54:11.920 what j Dilla is Like, he's are Jay Dilla? Yes, 1:54:12.040 --> 1:54:14.920 he's He's all right. So J Dilla is a producer 1:54:14.960 --> 1:54:20.759 from Detroit that Q Tip discovered, who's like, are Guru? 1:54:23.439 --> 1:54:28.439 No you well he passed away, but I mean of 1:54:28.640 --> 1:54:32.080 office work, Yeah, but I. 1:54:32.120 --> 1:54:32.680 Mean you you. 1:54:34.200 --> 1:54:37.560 You hold the honor of like you're on one of 1:54:37.640 --> 1:54:40.520 his signature tracks, like every the tracks that he's done 1:54:40.680 --> 1:54:44.000 that really inspired the Neil Soul movement. The way that 1:54:44.120 --> 1:54:45.960 Danzelo's record sound, the way it does the way that 1:54:46.080 --> 1:54:48.480 Eric Abadu's records, the way the Roots album sound, the 1:54:48.520 --> 1:54:51.640 way that Jill Scott's like that whole neo soul movement 1:54:52.320 --> 1:54:56.840 between ninety six and like two thousand and five. He's 1:54:56.880 --> 1:55:00.080 really the epicenter of it all. So it's like you, 1:55:01.520 --> 1:55:06.600 I mean, you're you're basically on the Duke Ellington of 1:55:06.720 --> 1:55:07.280 that movement. 1:55:07.440 --> 1:55:09.440 Wow, that's so cool. 1:55:09.640 --> 1:55:12.320 Use it? Yeah, yeah, and so I did not know that. 1:55:13.040 --> 1:55:17.520 Yeah when it came out, that just that changed lives. 1:55:18.840 --> 1:55:21.760 So talk about your your new all right, this acronym 1:55:21.880 --> 1:55:22.720 is a nightmare? 1:55:23.440 --> 1:55:26.320 Why ghetto? 1:55:26.800 --> 1:55:27.640 Give me the acronym? 1:55:27.800 --> 1:55:33.440 Greatness, Yes, happens even though there's oppression. 1:55:34.080 --> 1:55:36.240 Mmmm, what you're saying you couldn't say ghetto. 1:55:38.120 --> 1:55:41.080 I didn't say. I couldn't say ghetto. Like I said, 1:55:41.160 --> 1:55:45.640 I couldn't remember the acronym. Yes, what is it? Greatness 1:55:45.720 --> 1:55:47.040 happens even to those. 1:55:49.480 --> 1:55:52.320 Greatness happens even though there's oppression. 1:55:52.440 --> 1:55:55.560 My dear, how apropos for the times we's living trying 1:55:55.600 --> 1:55:57.840 to How did it come to be? 1:55:58.560 --> 1:56:00.760 Well comment? 1:56:01.720 --> 1:56:05.520 I've always been a fan of his energy and the 1:56:05.800 --> 1:56:10.880 message in his music, in his rap, and I really 1:56:11.720 --> 1:56:14.640 started to know him as a person when we found 1:56:14.640 --> 1:56:18.360 out we were on the the same oscar board. 1:56:19.080 --> 1:56:22.000 Thank you Darling. We were on the the Academy. 1:56:22.040 --> 1:56:25.360 He's an Academy member, and I decided when I decided 1:56:25.400 --> 1:56:27.920 to add a Verse to this song, I had a 1:56:27.960 --> 1:56:30.440 little wish list and Common was at the top of 1:56:30.480 --> 1:56:30.800 the list. 1:56:30.840 --> 1:56:31.200 I wasn't. 1:56:31.440 --> 1:56:31.760 I didn't. 1:56:31.840 --> 1:56:34.400 I didn't really expect to get him on it. But 1:56:36.120 --> 1:56:39.840 all say is no, and you know nothing, nothing beats 1:56:39.840 --> 1:56:43.240 so failure but a try. So I just posed it 1:56:43.320 --> 1:56:46.640 to him and sent him the song. He loved the song, 1:56:47.480 --> 1:56:51.840 and I kind of got his information while we were 1:56:51.920 --> 1:56:55.760 on the on this music branch, and he just seems 1:56:55.800 --> 1:56:58.520 so just kind of cool and just open to it. 1:56:58.880 --> 1:57:01.760 And when he said yes because he loved the message 1:57:01.760 --> 1:57:04.720 of the song, I was like great. And then it 1:57:04.840 --> 1:57:07.240 was about waiting for him to have time to put 1:57:07.280 --> 1:57:10.960 on his twelve bars. But baby, when they finally came in, 1:57:11.600 --> 1:57:14.280 it was so dope. I just loved it, and it 1:57:14.400 --> 1:57:16.280 just elevated the song to another level. 1:57:17.440 --> 1:57:22.000 He's a He's the man special individual. That comment. I'll say, wait, 1:57:22.040 --> 1:57:22.720 why am I talking? 1:57:24.160 --> 1:57:27.280 You can wear some crochet, chance use a special I'm 1:57:27.320 --> 1:57:27.720 trying to. 1:57:27.720 --> 1:57:34.640 Tell you, sit and Gary, you are everything I ever 1:57:34.720 --> 1:57:37.760 wanted uh in the interview, and. 1:57:39.360 --> 1:57:40.600 You brought a bag of chips. 1:57:43.560 --> 1:57:46.560 I hate him on the way before we say go back, 1:57:46.560 --> 1:57:48.680 can you explain because aren't you involved this T shirt. 1:57:48.520 --> 1:57:50.440 That you're wearing, Yeah, the girl's code. 1:57:50.720 --> 1:57:51.640 Can you just talk about that? 1:57:51.760 --> 1:57:56.600 Ro dude. I was at a graduation for some. 1:57:58.360 --> 1:58:02.080 Some some people that are learning code and learning how 1:58:02.160 --> 1:58:07.040 to impact uh technology through art and music and business, and. 1:58:08.640 --> 1:58:12.680 We wanted to this. This movement is to teach black 1:58:12.760 --> 1:58:16.320 girls that they can code their own computer games and 1:58:16.400 --> 1:58:20.440 they can program their own uh. They can they can compute. 1:58:20.160 --> 1:58:23.520 Themselves, and they don't have to be young white boys 1:58:23.680 --> 1:58:27.040 to learn how to uh to to code and and 1:58:27.200 --> 1:58:31.000 create your own video games and and computer programs. 1:58:31.080 --> 1:58:33.520 You could. Black girls can do it. And I think 1:58:33.600 --> 1:58:38.080 the movie Hidden No Hidden Fences. I'm just kidding. 1:58:39.320 --> 1:58:42.720 Hidden Figures did a lot to sort of show people 1:58:43.800 --> 1:58:47.640 that math is good for girls, and you know, black. 1:58:47.440 --> 1:58:50.640 Girls can compute some ship. So I'm just here to 1:58:50.720 --> 1:58:51.840 support that that. 1:58:54.080 --> 1:58:57.800 Every black child looks at a video game or looks 1:58:57.920 --> 1:59:01.240 at something on their program on their computer or an 1:59:01.280 --> 1:59:04.480 app or something and think I wanted to be able 1:59:04.480 --> 1:59:06.400 to think, hey, I can improve that, or I can 1:59:06.560 --> 1:59:08.080 make a nap for this, or I can do that. 1:59:08.480 --> 1:59:08.520 You. 1:59:09.240 --> 1:59:11.960 I don't think they don't even teach that in school. 1:59:12.240 --> 1:59:14.800 So no, nobody really hasn't an idea that they can 1:59:14.840 --> 1:59:18.080 aspire to do something like that. So I'm here to 1:59:18.480 --> 1:59:21.480 be the liaison and just to be a vessel to 1:59:22.200 --> 1:59:25.440 promote that message. Black girls can do it, we can code, 1:59:25.520 --> 1:59:27.000 we can do some ship up in here. 1:59:27.680 --> 1:59:31.320 So yes, I got a friend who has two daughters 1:59:31.400 --> 1:59:35.280 that are like their dream is to be video games and. 1:59:35.880 --> 1:59:36.920 Black girls code. 1:59:37.040 --> 1:59:44.520 Okay, that's crazy. Yeah, I think I've learned everything. Yeah, boss, Bill, 1:59:44.560 --> 1:59:45.480 what did you learn to day man? 1:59:45.560 --> 1:59:47.280 What didn't I learn? Hold on, let me go through 1:59:47.320 --> 1:59:51.120 my notes. You keep come back to me, come back 1:59:51.160 --> 1:59:55.800 to me. Really all right, I'm paid, Bill Man, save 1:59:55.800 --> 1:59:56.240 as the ship. 1:59:58.640 --> 1:59:59.640 This is. This is amazing. 1:59:59.760 --> 2:00:01.080 This is to talk about being an artist and all 2:00:01.080 --> 2:00:04.520 this other stuff is super amazing and awesome. One of 2:00:04.560 --> 2:00:06.120 the things I learned that I'm going to treasure most 2:00:06.240 --> 2:00:07.560 is what the hell you guys were saying and don't 2:00:07.560 --> 2:00:08.120 look any further. 2:00:09.760 --> 2:00:14.040 That was going to come in to handy just I've 2:00:14.040 --> 2:00:16.600 always been a fan of yours, like I think. 2:00:16.640 --> 2:00:17.840 Sorry, no, it's okay. 2:00:17.880 --> 2:00:19.560 It's okay, don't apologize, don't apologize. 2:00:21.280 --> 2:00:24.120 I think I'm not Michael Jackson. But I love your voice. 2:00:24.760 --> 2:00:26.840 I love your voice, and you write amazing songs. I'm 2:00:27.000 --> 2:00:28.640 very honored to be in this room with you right now. 2:00:28.800 --> 2:00:31.800 So thank you for being here, Thanks for having me. 2:00:32.000 --> 2:00:35.440 This has been relatively painless, relatively. 2:00:37.600 --> 2:00:38.040 I don't know. 2:00:39.800 --> 2:00:46.200 Into what you say, Shoe, I want to go this shoe. 2:00:46.360 --> 2:00:48.920 There's no version of James Ingram singing man in the mirror. 2:00:49.960 --> 2:00:52.280 Hell, we can all rest a little easier. 2:00:52.320 --> 2:00:54.120 And no, no, I'm a fan of his. 2:00:55.560 --> 2:00:59.160 Wicked man. I have a question. You don't have to 2:00:59.280 --> 2:01:09.800 raise your hand this. Actually, yeah, I did Philip Ingram. 2:01:09.920 --> 2:01:11.720 Yeah, he was one of the guys that was at 2:01:11.760 --> 2:01:14.720 the auditions for Quincy and he started hiring me to 2:01:14.760 --> 2:01:15.600 do background session. 2:01:15.600 --> 2:01:24.080 I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. The carjack your memories. This happens, 2:01:24.800 --> 2:01:31.440 but he didn't mean to. To Selena and Barnes, you 2:01:31.520 --> 2:01:33.720 mentioned James Ingram and it just hit me that she 2:01:33.800 --> 2:01:36.200 did a song with Philip Ingram. And I was a 2:01:36.280 --> 2:01:38.360 massive switchman, And you know what. 2:01:38.600 --> 2:01:42.200 Switch came to my high school and I told Philip word, Yeah, 2:01:42.320 --> 2:01:44.680 I like went up to meet him, and he was 2:01:44.760 --> 2:01:47.640 so snotty, and I said, you were a bitch to me. 2:01:47.800 --> 2:01:49.920 You were just so mean, he said, when so when 2:01:49.920 --> 2:01:51.760 I was in high school, your group came and you 2:01:51.840 --> 2:01:53.520 didn't You didn't even I was. 2:01:53.680 --> 2:01:55.680 I just read them the riot Act. He said. I'm sorry, 2:01:55.760 --> 2:01:58.000 I didn't know. You know, he's so sweet. I just 2:01:58.160 --> 2:02:01.440 adore him, him, Philipping, great singer. 2:02:02.440 --> 2:02:03.240 What you got to say? 2:02:03.320 --> 2:02:06.440 Shooting got that sugar? 2:02:07.040 --> 2:02:10.840 I mean, it's it's clearly. I mean, I guess I'm 2:02:10.880 --> 2:02:14.000 staying the obvious. But you know, Michael Jackson was your husband, 2:02:15.160 --> 2:02:18.480 and then you end up doing the duet across the microphone. 2:02:18.560 --> 2:02:21.080 Yeah, I mean, it's pretty, it's pretty incredible. 2:02:21.200 --> 2:02:22.880 It was a dream. It was a dream I didn't 2:02:22.880 --> 2:02:23.520 even know I had. 2:02:24.320 --> 2:02:28.040 I mean, if somebody had told me that that would 2:02:28.040 --> 2:02:29.680 have happened, I would have just laughed them out of 2:02:29.760 --> 2:02:33.080 the room, because, you know, who, how could that happen? 2:02:33.120 --> 2:02:34.200 How can that possibly happen? 2:02:34.560 --> 2:02:36.720 It happens, you know once in a while. 2:02:36.760 --> 2:02:39.000 I guess the moon must have been blue that day. 2:02:39.720 --> 2:02:44.560 Sweet sweet Margaret, any last words? Cheese throw off? 2:02:45.160 --> 2:02:45.440 Margaret? 2:02:47.360 --> 2:02:47.640 Margaret? 2:02:48.840 --> 2:02:49.440 Does she know that? 2:02:49.720 --> 2:02:49.760 No? 2:02:50.080 --> 2:02:54.200 No, yes, Okay, you're gonna leave a sweet Margret today. 2:02:56.720 --> 2:02:59.840 Why is it sweet? There's a basketball reference? 2:03:00.080 --> 2:03:04.840 Oh oh okay, I learned number one that one of 2:03:04.880 --> 2:03:06.440 my heroes loves to cuss as much as I do. 2:03:06.520 --> 2:03:07.480 I love that profanity. 2:03:07.880 --> 2:03:09.160 Also, this. 2:03:15.640 --> 2:03:16.760 Power of new Cheese. 2:03:17.360 --> 2:03:18.720 I am taking this now. I don't really think I 2:03:18.760 --> 2:03:20.040 need to read the book at this point, because y'all 2:03:20.040 --> 2:03:21.160 gave me the whole thing. 2:03:21.160 --> 2:03:21.880 You got the gist. 2:03:22.320 --> 2:03:24.360 But what you did with your new Cheese is so 2:03:24.520 --> 2:03:25.200 fucking amazing. 2:03:25.240 --> 2:03:27.120 And I hope that you realize one day that even 2:03:27.160 --> 2:03:29.480 though you did not go necessarily the path that you 2:03:29.600 --> 2:03:32.480 wanted to, what you have done is so much bigger 2:03:32.640 --> 2:03:36.520 to so many people and individually, like the words that 2:03:36.640 --> 2:03:39.280 you bring bring people to so many emotions joy and 2:03:39.560 --> 2:03:41.560 you know, and sadness and everything else, everything they need 2:03:41.600 --> 2:03:41.880 to feel. 2:03:42.000 --> 2:03:43.800 So anyway, this is what I learned, and I learned 2:03:43.880 --> 2:03:46.120 Cya to Garrett is the ship was. 2:03:47.880 --> 2:03:51.520 Yeah, well today officially personality wise, this is the first 2:03:51.560 --> 2:03:53.640 time meeting, so yeah, the work was a ship. 2:03:53.840 --> 2:03:58.640 I know she was shipped to uh my lesson what 2:03:58.760 --> 2:04:09.080 about so forgettable? Just guess in case you had scratching 2:04:09.240 --> 2:04:13.560 when we after we conclude a sermon or an interview. 2:04:14.000 --> 2:04:17.680 We all have our reflections on what we learned. But yeah, 2:04:17.800 --> 2:04:22.000 I'll say again that and I'll double down on what 2:04:22.200 --> 2:04:27.840 Laiah said. For all of you listening, and if I 2:04:28.880 --> 2:04:31.600 made you or texted you to listen to this episode, 2:04:31.880 --> 2:04:34.360 yes I'm talking to you. And if I tweeted it 2:04:34.560 --> 2:04:36.560 more than once, yes I was really talking to you. 2:04:37.480 --> 2:04:41.640 Yeah if if, if it's time for new cheese. And 2:04:42.480 --> 2:04:44.560 you know, I'm bringing it back to my basketball metaphor, 2:04:44.720 --> 2:04:47.600 like everyone's trying to be Jordan's, everyone's trying to be Lebron. 2:04:48.280 --> 2:04:50.320 But you know what I'm saying, at the end of 2:04:50.360 --> 2:04:53.920 the day, the the the trainer might move up to 2:04:53.960 --> 2:04:57.080 assistant coach, might move to defensive coach, might make it 2:04:57.200 --> 2:05:01.960 to owner of the team. You know, like not everyone. 2:05:02.080 --> 2:05:04.720 There's you know, there's there's there's a little glory and 2:05:04.760 --> 2:05:08.680 being Alan Iverson or being Lebron, But at the end 2:05:08.680 --> 2:05:10.920 of the day that the cats, the Simon checks the 2:05:11.000 --> 2:05:14.800 guys behind the scenes, there's new cheese, not just the 2:05:14.880 --> 2:05:18.640 Spotlight cheese, but there's other cheese there. And that's that's 2:05:18.720 --> 2:05:21.680 the lesson I want people. That's where I really wanted 2:05:21.720 --> 2:05:23.520 you on the show, so that you could share that 2:05:23.680 --> 2:05:25.520 story and I thank you. 2:05:34.160 --> 2:05:34.680 So much. 2:05:36.480 --> 2:05:37.760 For this episode. 2:05:38.800 --> 2:05:40.400 And we will I am Studio Bam. 2:05:40.480 --> 2:05:41.960 I just want to say to that, yes, thank you, 2:05:42.040 --> 2:05:47.920 will I am for Where is White? And they have 2:05:48.080 --> 2:05:54.640 all the Japanese and actually assault about what are you 2:05:54.760 --> 2:05:57.280 talking about? The turlet said hello when you walk in 2:05:58.560 --> 2:06:07.280 anyway or app of Missing Fonte. I'm Ve Bill, Quoss, Bill, 2:06:07.440 --> 2:06:12.160 Sugar Steve, Sweet Margaret and the Lovely Sight Garrett and 2:06:12.560 --> 2:06:20.040 loud As Eric, Yeah, Camera, this is Quest Love Supreme. 2:06:20.520 --> 2:06:22.680 We will see you on the next go round. 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