1 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone podcast featuring Jaguars dot Com senior 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: writer John Osher and Jack Buars executive producer Dave the Kendis, 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: and we're gonna be joined this week by Jaguars head 4 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: coach Doug Murray. Usually in the podcast, what Dave and 5 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: I do is we talked a little bit at the top, 6 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: we sort of preview the guests. Uh, what I wanted 7 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: to say this week was usually was Doug when we 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: had him on this time of year, when we were 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: talking to him, we would talk to him about the 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: football team, the off season program just got over with. 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: Would usually be going over position groups, what he thinks 12 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: to Gardner Minshew, how he how he feels prepared for 13 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: the season. But there's been so much going on with 14 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen, with the Black Lives Matter, and with 15 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: Doug being so candid and so out front on a 16 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: lot of these things, that we wanted to spend this 17 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: week's podcast more talking to him about those issues. He's 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: talked about football and some conference calls. There's been plenty 19 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: of stories written about his thoughts on the team. You 20 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: can find those somewhere else. But for this week, we're 21 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: going to talk to him about what I'm sure is 22 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: a important, odd and even life perspective changing offseason for 23 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: Doug morn. So, without further delay, here's this week those 24 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: Own Podcasts interview with jack Boys head coach Doug Morrow. Doug, 25 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with the podcasts, I had a lot 26 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: of questions about how you got into coaching, a lot 27 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: of background stuff that with the events of the last 28 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: few weeks, it feels remiss not to talk about that first, 29 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: And I'm just curious. I assume it goes without saying 30 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: that you probably feel like the last ten days or 31 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: so maybe as important on a lot of levels as 32 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: any of you've dealt with his head coach, And um, 33 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: is the right? Am I reading that right? Yeah? I 34 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: think I think you have to you know, And in 35 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: these last you know, ten days, and right after it 36 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: happened the first team meeting, it was it was brought up, 37 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: you know, because, um, you know, I think anyone that 38 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: that is able to see the video of the murder 39 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: of George Floyd, you know, it doesn't have an impression 40 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: of that is really not new. So you know, it 41 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: was brought up and then and then it really kept 42 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: a momentum about itself that you know, we're we normally 43 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: we didn't have a team meeting on a Tuesday, but 44 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: we had a teammates you know, and kept going with 45 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: these team meetings you know, to have you know, these 46 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: these difficult discussions are tough or uncomfortable or whatever word 47 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: you want to use that show you know a lot 48 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: of emotion you know from everyone, you know, anger, frustration, um, 49 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: you know, confusion on you know, what's next? What do 50 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: we do? Um? And really trying to open that up. 51 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: So for me, football media to take a you know, 52 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: take a step back, you know, or or actually for 53 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: a better a better line would be, you know, football 54 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: needed to you know, go on a sideline. You know. 55 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: It wasn't it wasn't part of you know what we 56 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: were trying to accomplish. What we were trying to accomplish 57 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: is you know, um listening, you know, And that was 58 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: a big thing with the players because you know, some 59 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: of us don't know you know, what it's like, you know, 60 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: because because we are white and um and we don't 61 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: understand you know. So for me, it was a tremendous 62 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: learning experience, UM one that I was able to see 63 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: through someone you know, other people's eyes. I thought our 64 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: players did an outstanding job of you know, communicating their feelings, 65 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: communicating the story of of of what's you know, things 66 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: that have gone on you know, from them, not just 67 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: from you know a standpoint of of one incident, but 68 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: you know multiple things that really take up you know, 69 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: a whole graph of of A to Z just basically 70 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: on on you know, racism, you know, in this country. 71 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: So you know, I tried to learn you know, from 72 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: my past and that you know, for me as a 73 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: head coach and me as the leader, I wanted to 74 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: create you know, h lines of communication of platforms or 75 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: whatever you want to say, you know, with our team 76 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: and with our assistant coaches. You know, um, you know, 77 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: we're in a league now where you know, I wanted 78 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: to make sure, learning from what's going on in the past, 79 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: that our players understood that Hey, listen, you can say 80 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: whatever you're feeling. It's not going to be held against 81 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: you by the by the organization from a standpoint of h, 82 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: you're not gonna be on this team. The only way 83 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: you're not going to be on this football team if 84 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: you're not good enough. You know what I'm saying, the 85 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: play or you know, you're not you're not helping us win, 86 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: you know. Um, but that was something that you know, 87 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to reiterate to the players and I was 88 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: you know, fortunate that Dave Calwell came on and reiterated it. 89 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: We almost shot agrees with it, and I think that's 90 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: an important time, especially in the industry that we're in. 91 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: So you know, we we we we took those steps. 92 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: And um, like I said before, we were we you know, 93 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: Marcus Pollard, you know who's our player development guy, has 94 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: done a great job along with Tad Dickman, RPR guy. 95 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: You know, I'm gathering this information from the players, you know, 96 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: keeping these discussions going and you know, creating sustainability, which 97 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: is the number one thing that we want to do. 98 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: We don't want to see you know, this opportunity fade. 99 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: And I think that's that comes from the players and 100 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: the assistant coaches. So you know, now I have to 101 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: look at my role as as the head coach or 102 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: the leader of creating you know, these platforms or this 103 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: availability that you know, we do, you know, have the 104 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: freedom to express it. We do have the freedom to 105 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: bring up some thoughts and bring us some action plans 106 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: that we can use our position you know in the community, um, 107 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, being part of the NFL and and and 108 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: really working on trying to create change, knowing that you know, 109 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: it's it's gonna take time and it's Chris Connelly said, 110 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's it's a marathon and you know change, um, 111 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: you know, for change, and I think that uh, you know, 112 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: we were discussing it as a movement, you know what 113 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know, we've got to continue to keep 114 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: you know, pushing and keep moving and keep having you know, 115 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: conversations whether you know, uncomfortable or not, you know, to 116 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: bring this type of awareness and it's it's gone on 117 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: for too long, and you know, I've got to look 118 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: at myself and go through you know what, what's what's 119 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: my part? You know what can I do? You know 120 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: a better job of to support and listen to these 121 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: listen to our players than assistant coaches. I'm fascinating because 122 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: I've been around a lot of head coaches and the 123 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: instinct for a head coach is to always be football 124 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: because it's it's a year round thing. Did you know 125 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: immediately when you heard the conversation started, you know, in 126 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: that first zoom meeting. Hey, this is going to be different, 127 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: and it was just sort of organically of Hey, football 128 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: has got to set aside a little bit because, as 129 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: you know, the head coach usually it's all ball all 130 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: the time. I think it's I think it was like 131 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: that because that's how that's how we grew up. You know. 132 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: I think that there's times I was fortunate enough to, um, 133 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: you know, see things growing up. I've been fortunate enough 134 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: to live in a gown, to school and play footba 135 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: all with a very diverse group. Um. So you know, 136 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: for me, I've seen it and I think as the 137 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: white man, you know, you say, you know what, you know, 138 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: I could have done more? You know what what could 139 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: I have done? I mean you feel you go back 140 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: and you're like, well, they're supported you know my friends, 141 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: I supported this, I you know, but you're always saying, hey, 142 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: what what can I do more? Because you know, if 143 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: if in my life, my you know, my priorities are 144 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: you know, God, family, you know, football, and then social life, 145 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: well this, this is this is more towards what my 146 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: values are in family and you know what I'm saying. 147 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: So so it's above you know what I'm saying for me, 148 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: I can't speak for anybody else. I can't speak for 149 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: any other head coaches, but for me, it's above that 150 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: because you know, and and I kind of went back 151 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: and I I went you know, my my, my whole 152 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: thing in college when I was in college of a coach, 153 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: and I was fortunate to be around a guy named 154 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: Homer Rice who was an a d at Georgia Tech 155 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: when I was there, and and his big big thing was, 156 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: you know, you know, development of of of of the players, 157 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: you know, development not um you know, obviously not we're 158 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: not talking about on the field, but development, you know, 159 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: off the field. And for me, you know, I was 160 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: my my philosophy was, you know, I was going to 161 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: develop the person first, you know, before I even started 162 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: to work on developing the football player. And I think, 163 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: you know, when I look back, I think sometimes this 164 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: job and and and the things around it, you can 165 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: kind of lose sight of that, you know, I know, 166 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: I know, I know for me, you know, there's points 167 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: where I wish I would have done a better job. 168 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: You know, so I've I've I've learned a lot, and 169 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: I want to get back to that now. You know, 170 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: when I say that, sometimes it's just about listening, you 171 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and being able to listen, uh, 172 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: to be able to be empathetic to what you know 173 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: people are going through, to you know, try to understand. 174 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: I think since the murder of George Floyd, I think 175 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: that you know, I've learned a lot, you know, about myself. 176 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: I've learned a lot about um, you know, my position 177 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: and what I can do UM. And I think it's 178 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: I think it's been uh something that again for me, 179 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: it's it's moving forward. It's pushing me to do a 180 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: better job and to be a better person. At the 181 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: end of the day, you know, you know, football is 182 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: gonna be taken away from me. You know, at one 183 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: point another was taken away from me when I was 184 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: a player, you know, not being good enough for injuries. 185 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: It's gonna be taken away from me as a coach, 186 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: or whether it be my age or not being able 187 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: to do a good enough job. But the one thing 188 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: that that's never going to be taken away from me 189 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: is you know who I am as a person. You 190 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: know what my character and what my values are. People 191 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: can always you know, attack you for decisions you made 192 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: on third down or journ the game or and that's fine. 193 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: I totally understand that that's that's part of what the 194 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: job is. I never had a problem with that, and 195 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: you know that job. But the one thing I never 196 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: wanted people to have a question, you know, is is 197 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: you know, personally is my character or who I am? 198 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: So you know, I guess it goes beyond you know, 199 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: the logo of the of the league, goes beyond the 200 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: logo of the team. It goes beyond you know, your 201 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: your primary responsibility and your job, and it takes uh, 202 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: what takes president is your president? Is your your ability 203 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: as a you know, a person. I'm not looking to 204 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: be remembered or I really feel like at the end 205 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: of the day, I'm I'm doing what I'm supposed to 206 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: do to help and support these players. It's the right thing. 207 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: Therefore it can never be wrong. Have you learned anything 208 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: about your team as a whole through all this, not 209 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: just in terms of what they've been telling about what 210 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: they've gone through in their lives, but I guess how 211 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: they've handled this. Uh. Pollard and Robiski, they both said 212 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: that they had learned something about these guys as men. 213 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: I guess is the best way to put it. Yeah, 214 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: I think you know, I've learned about you know a lot. 215 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: I mean, to put one thing out there, UM, would 216 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: be a discredit to all the players. You know what 217 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: I'm saying that that I've spoken, But you know, I think, um, 218 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: the awareness uh is a is a very very high level. 219 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: I would think the experiences of things that have occurred 220 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: in their lives. You know what I'm saying growing up 221 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: that as a white man, I never even even put 222 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: anything any thought into it, um, which is discouraging you know. 223 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:08,119 Speaker 1: I mean you know, for me, that's how I approach things. UM. 224 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: You know, I've always had a philosophy you can never 225 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: walk in someone else's shoes. I've always believed that, no 226 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: matter what what the situation is. But I did always 227 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: think that you could have some type of understanding you 228 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, or you know or you get 229 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: it or whatever whatever word you want to say. UM. 230 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: But the way our players have been impressed with the 231 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: way they've been able to communicate their feelings, UM, their 232 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: knowledge on on history. UM, there there there hunger for change. UM. 233 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: And now you know we're gonna put those things in place, 234 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: and we're gonna see you know, if if we're going 235 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: to be able to sustain it and be able to 236 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: do something. So I look at you know, I look 237 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: at everything as as what's doing right as a as 238 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: as a human being first, you know, and then you 239 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: know football down the road. And that's how I feel. 240 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: I know you talked on your season ending conference call 241 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: about the need for having things in place to make 242 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: sure that conversation and and as Connelly said that it's 243 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: not a moment but a movement, you will be putting 244 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: things into place to make sure that this doesn't fade out. 245 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: I guess is the word you use. And that's that's 246 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: the difficult thing about something like this. It's sort of 247 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: maintaining the structure from amnum to continue right. Well, that's 248 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: that's where I look at where where my role comes in. 249 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying as a head coach, the 250 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: one thing that I do have the ability to do 251 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: is um is being able to structure you know, our 252 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: days what we do and the number one thing for 253 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: the players have been you know, sustainability, sustainability and the 254 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: assistant coaches. So you know, in my role as a 255 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: head coach, you know, what what can I do to 256 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: help that. Now, I came up with a bush of 257 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: ideas that I had given a Marcus and spoke to 258 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: some of the assistant coaches about, um, you know, because 259 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: you know what I don't want to do is is 260 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: not is. I want to see what the players were 261 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: like first, you know what I'm saying, because that's they're 262 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: the ones that are the most important. And then okay, 263 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: for sustainability, all right, what are we gonna do from 264 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: when we leave this team meeting today until we report, 265 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: you know, whatever time that may be. And you know, 266 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: the question was to Marcus says, hey, do we have 267 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: this open forum that we are going to talk about 268 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: these issues about you know, where we are with our 269 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, where our thoughts and where our action plans 270 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: and how we're progressing. So you know, it's not a 271 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: it's not a vacation, you know what I'm saying from 272 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: it because you know, these players live this daily, know 273 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: these these emotions, but with them, you know seven. So 274 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: you know, we wanted to build a platform, you know, 275 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: for that. And then you know, during the season I 276 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: heard you know a lot of players say, hey, we've 277 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: got to keep this going. And during the season it's 278 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: difficult because you know, whatever's happening on the field between 279 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: the lines, you know, your body is tired, your beat up. 280 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: You know, job security is always you know, being talked about, 281 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of times we do things 282 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: where you know, okay, hey listen, uh today today's then today. 283 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna everything ends at five thirty and 284 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: NF five thirty, We're gonna have a team room open 285 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: for where everyone wants to come in and this is 286 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: what we're gonna talk about. Well, you're not gonna get 287 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: the same type of effect at the end of the 288 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: day that you're gonna have to. So you know, I'm 289 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: looking at you know, what we're gonna do during training camp, um, 290 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: looking at you know, bringing in you know, speakers that 291 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: understand what some have have an understanding of the NFL, 292 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: you know, because that's something that's over all of our heads. 293 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying as far as the platform, 294 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: but I want to make sure that they understand what 295 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: these players go through. I want to make it to 296 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: where it's it's helpful for the players, but I also 297 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: need to keep listening to them to see who those 298 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: best people are, you know, and the assistant coaches, you know, 299 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: and then building into our schedules. So we are constantly 300 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,719 Speaker 1: reminded of that. You know that we are you know 301 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: when it's time. You know, when we're working on football, 302 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: we are. But hey, we're working on this. We're good 303 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: because if you don't, it's gonna it's gonna trickle into 304 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: everything that you do. And you know, you want to 305 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: you want to say as a head coach, a we 306 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 1: want to have a balance on everything, but you have 307 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: to understand at times that balance you know, it's going 308 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: to be moving that scale, you know, and you just 309 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: got to know in the times when that scale needs 310 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: to move in the directions you know what I'm saying 311 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: that that that that are important for the team, and 312 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: usually get that from the players. So you know, I 313 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: wanted to do a better job than what I've done 314 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: in the past of you know, being able to have 315 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: these types of discussions, have these types of forums, um, 316 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: you know, for players, and make no bones about it, 317 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: it's it's it's not gonna be you know, it's not 318 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: gonna really cut into what we have to get done 319 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: is far other jobs. And that's the one thing I 320 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: think people can you know, get confused on like, oh 321 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: my god, is it a football team or is it, 322 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: you know, an activist group. Well, it's it's both. You know, 323 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna make change, we're gonna make movement. 324 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna play football and put an excellent quality out 325 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: of my field and win football games. We talked for 326 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: a while about a really um significant offseason and still 327 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: haven't gotten into the coronavirus, which which is amazing. It 328 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: shows you how much things have changed even the last 329 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. But I do think people are curious 330 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: about just how you handled the very beginning of the 331 00:18:54,720 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: coronavirus in terms of doing this virtually and uh, you know, 332 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: you talked a little bit about the anxiety of that, 333 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: and it sounds like that process, meaning the communication with 334 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,239 Speaker 1: the team the players, went a lot better than you 335 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: initially I thought it might. It did. And I think 336 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: what caused my anxiety was my lack of knowledge and 337 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: you know in technology like my bob Yeah, and you know, 338 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: but you know to our you know, to our I 339 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: T department, in our video department, and played a major 340 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: role and and getting these things set up, um, you know, 341 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: they didn't outstanding job, you know, and and in a 342 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: tough time where you know, this has never been done before. Um, 343 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 1: you know the NFL and the process of a draft. 344 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I couldn't there there was there 345 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: was no issues, you know what I'm saying. I mean, 346 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: it was, it was. It's truly amazing. And people will 347 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: point towards the leadership, you know what I'm saying, to 348 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: give a lot of credit towards the leadership of being 349 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: able to you know, accomplish those things, but it's really 350 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: the people below them, you know, the people that actually 351 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: you know, wiring your home and wiring, you know, the 352 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 1: guys that are that are doing something. That's why I 353 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: give so much credit to the I T and the 354 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: video games. You know, they're just outstanding. And we're very 355 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: fortunate to have a great bunch of a group where 356 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes your I T and video guys a 357 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 1: little bit you know, separation between them, but you know, 358 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: our guys came together and did a hell of a job. 359 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: So you know, I really appreciate that. And then and 360 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: then once it starts to go for me because of 361 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: the way I think and that process, I was like, Okay, 362 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: what do we normally get done in our meetings? You 363 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying with the players, let's try to 364 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: keep that the same. So as far as installation and everything. Now, 365 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: a lot of times in theath me in the end, 366 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: once you start practicing, a lot of a lot of 367 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: those meanings are part of you know, really looking at 368 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: the practice tape, you know, and making corrections from the tape, 369 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: you know, with the players are walking through with them, 370 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: so you know, from the physical, from the physical part 371 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: of being able to be together. That's the one thing 372 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: we missed. But you know, we were able to get 373 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: everything in and then we tried to substitute you know, 374 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: some of the uh, the actual stuff on the field 375 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: with a lot of individual tape and challenging players individually. 376 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, what they can do on 377 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: their own in the safe environment if if they have 378 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: one to go ahead and start doing it, which would 379 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,479 Speaker 1: be able to help them. So now you know, so 380 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: now you have that planned out, and then now the 381 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: next phases I think even more challenging because you know 382 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: you had something taken away from you, you know, with 383 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: with O, T A. S and the minicamp you know, 384 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: which is on the field. So there's a lot of 385 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: things the players progression, you know, seeing who's getting better, 386 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: see who truly understand what needs to be done. The 387 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: evaluation process not just from the coaches on you know 388 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: who's who's you know have the ability to play well 389 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: or make this team, but also from our personnel. The 390 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: part what I'm what I'm challenged now is to go 391 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: back in one the challenge of the operational of of 392 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: a safe environment, which a lot of procedures are are 393 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 1: still coming out. You know, what we need to do 394 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: when the players report. So there's a challenge for just 395 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: logistics on you know, where these players are moving and going. Um, 396 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: I think that we're probably in better shape than most 397 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: teams because we do have you know, we are in 398 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: a stadium. There's a ton of room there. I think 399 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: it's a lot of times we're complain about not having windows, 400 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: but you know, this is the one time we're being 401 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: in the stadium and the space that it creates is helpful. Um. 402 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: You know, we've got challenges to how we disinfect these areas, 403 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, so they maintain you know 404 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: a high level of health. Um. So all those things 405 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: come into play. But then when you start thinking about 406 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: the football end of it is okay, Um, your initial 407 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: thoughts that you want to jump right in and start 408 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: right away, you know what I'm saying, Like just go 409 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: from zero to a hunter, right, That's not gonna We 410 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: all might want to do that as coaches, but that's 411 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: not what's best for our players. So you know, we 412 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: come back, we're gonna be looking at, you know, things 413 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: of you know, splitting the field, double reps, you know, 414 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: job through so we can get them and kind of 415 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: build our players up and try to catch up you know, 416 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: quite a bit on the on the reps that we've lost. Um, 417 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: knowing that our window or a window of opportunity to 418 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: make this team, you're gonna be a lot shorter, you 419 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: know than in years past. And it's very unique. And 420 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: you know the good thing about it is, I think 421 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people have said, you know, I've heard 422 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: other coaches talk about, well, you know, I got a 423 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: veteran team. They've gotta know what to do, you know, 424 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 1: how to animals will be ready, you know. And I 425 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: started thinking, well, we might be in trouble. We got 426 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: we got probably the youngest team, you know what I'm 427 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: saying in the NFL. But the work that these guys 428 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: have put in the young guys I'm not talking about 429 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: the guy that have played before. You know, it has 430 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: been really over the top in a good sense. And um, 431 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: you know, they're all hungry, and they all understand that 432 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: as an opportunity, and they understand that it's gonna be 433 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: a smaller window, and you know they're they're gonna come 434 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: in ready to go. So I think it's gonna just 435 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: help the whole football team and us as coaches. But 436 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: what I have to do, what I'm challenged with, is 437 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: putting together this operational schedule for health and safety for 438 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: everyone that's involved into it. And then you know, I 439 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: gotta put the schedule where our players are able to 440 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: build up where we have any any setbacks. I'm curious 441 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: about the way you communicate, because you're used to standing 442 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: in front of the room and talking to players. It 443 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: looks like there could be a situation where you're on 444 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: zoom meetings communicating with players even during the season. Does 445 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: the way that you talk to guys, does your ability 446 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: to look somebody in the eye things like that. Is 447 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: that a big difference or am I overstating that. I 448 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: think that's just human nature. You know what I'm saying, 449 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, at first, it's like, you know, 450 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 1: at first we had the phone call where I can 451 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: take the phone and go like, oh my god, you 452 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying to my mouth. You know. Then 453 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: we went to zoom video. You know, I'm saying a 454 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: FaceTime you know, which which is a much better you 455 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, human interaction. It's probably the next 456 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: best thing you have of not being there. I think that, 457 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: you know, we've also discussed and talked about, you know, 458 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: some of these larger meetings of you know, offense, defense, 459 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: special teams and team you know. Um, you know, logistically 460 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: we've talked about how do we lift in the weight room. 461 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: But you know, from a standpoint of the meetings and 462 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: the large meeting groups, we we've discussed, you know, doing 463 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: it even though I maybe seventy ft away or in 464 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: the next room. You know, we might have players in 465 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: in their meeting rooms having a full team meeting. You know, 466 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: we might have players at home, uh, you know, at 467 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: night instead of having a team meeting at night. Just 468 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: do it like this, and I think, you know, I 469 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to talk with great confidence uh in 470 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: doing that, Um, if we hadn't you know, been doing 471 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: it now for for a long period of time. And 472 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: like you said, at first, I know, for myself, I 473 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: felt a little bit uncomfortable, you know, just because I've 474 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: never done this before. Um. But quickly it became like 475 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: an afterthought, you know, became it became easy to do 476 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: talk to the team this way. Uh, it became easy 477 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: to talk to media this way. Um. But you know, 478 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: I I've always enjoyed and look forward to actually being 479 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: in front of a room a bunch of people in there, 480 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: so you can you can get a feel for, you know, 481 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: body language and what they're doing. But I think that 482 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, as long as when you're talking about football, 483 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: that doesn't affect me as much as what you're talking about, 484 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: you know, other things that you want to you want 485 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: to bring up and try to make sure you drive 486 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: those points on. This is kind of a jump away 487 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: in terms of topics. But I hadn't talked to you 488 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: since Don Schoula died. I know you played for him. 489 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: I was curious to your thoughts on the man, what 490 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: influence he had over here and just say something about 491 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: him if you will. Yeah, he he had he had 492 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: quite a bit of influence in the short period of 493 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: time that that that we were together. I think that 494 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting, you know by that time, um, 495 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: you know we're talking about you know, eighties, nineteen, eighties, 496 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: seven and nine. You know he um, yeah, you know 497 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: he was you know everyone everyone. You know, I knew 498 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: that that you're playing for, you know, a whole same coach, 499 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: A special guy, a guy that had a ton of 500 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: influence you know what I'm saying in the NFL, and 501 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: a ton of influence on a lot of the rules 502 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: you know that that were put in place, and you 503 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: know he had he had a standard and it was high. 504 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: And you know when you when you reported the camp, 505 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: you know, because back then it was different, like you know, 506 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: in the off season. You know, back then, there wasn't 507 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: a lot of money, so not a lot of guys 508 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: would just go home and work out and work you know, 509 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: believe it or not, I have a their view with 510 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: their families, and then you know, we'd have these these 511 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: mini camps and the people that were in town and 512 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: work out. But you know, we always had it was 513 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: kind of like how baseball had, which I always thought 514 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: was great because I don't remember us having a lot 515 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: of injuries, meaning that you know, the skill guys always 516 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: reported early, you know, kind of like the pictures and catchers, 517 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: you know, and they were able to kind of get 518 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: themselves going a little bit. It wasn't at the highest 519 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: competition level at that point because the whole team is 520 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: not there. Everybody's just kind of getting a field for 521 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: you know, being able to practice times, being able to 522 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: run around, you know, how to condition their bodies all that, 523 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: and then and then alignment would come in. So we'd 524 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: have a couple of those camps, two or three of them, 525 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: I can't remember, you know, in the off season. But 526 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: then you know, when we reported, we had a bunch 527 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: of exercises that we'd have to go through. So we'd 528 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: have you had to do X amount of pull ups 529 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: at a certain time, X amount of sit ups, jump rope. 530 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: He had a bench, a shoulder press flexibility that there was, uh, 531 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: you know, conditioning tests and you acquire points and you know, 532 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: if you if you max out and you gotta you know, 533 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: the best grade, you've got five points. If if you didn't, 534 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: you got one. You know. A couple of years after 535 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: when I when I started coaching, obviously I was with 536 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: the Jets and we played Miami. So every once in 537 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: a while I'd run into Coacha, you know, and I 538 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,719 Speaker 1: would ask him. I'd say, you know, why did you 539 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: do those things? He said, well, Charlie Winner was the 540 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: general manager, and he said, well, you know, at the 541 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: bottom of the roster. You know, Charlie and I would 542 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: get together and if we were you know, um, you know, 543 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: split on a player, you know, two players, and we 544 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: couldn't really you know, it didn't have a strong feeling 545 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: either way of who's going to help us. You know, 546 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: we go back to this chart, you know that we 547 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: did and and and that's that's what would be the 548 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: tipping you know, tip scales, you know. So you know, 549 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting just how he did things. 550 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, obviously he was a disciplinarian. Um, 551 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: he expected a lot, He expected a lot of the 552 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: players and and and he always delivered. So you know, 553 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: I think he was, you know, one of those people 554 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: that I've been fortunate enough to be around. UM to 555 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: hear them speak, they hear them, uh, to watch them 556 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: coach UH, to understand um, you know, the principles that 557 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: have made him so successful and and be able to 558 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: instill some of that in a game that you know 559 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: or locker room that is constantly changing and evolving. So um, 560 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: you know, I feel I feel very fortunate to be 561 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: part of that. And there's a lot of players that 562 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: were on that team that were with coach Hiller for 563 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: a long period of time, and I think they would 564 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: also say they've had, you know, nothing but great respect 565 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: for him as a man and um and the things 566 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: he did for us as players, because you know, if 567 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: you're looking for someone in your life to push you 568 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: where you can't push yourself, he was. He was that guy. 569 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: He was gonna get he was going to get the 570 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: best out of you. Um. I remember in eighty at seven, 571 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: I think it was eighty seven or eighty eight that 572 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: training camp was and I know that we as old 573 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: older players always like to talk about those training camp. 574 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: But we had doubles every day except Sunday. Ochila was 575 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: you know how you know, it was very strong in 576 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: his faith, but on Sunday was that day off. But 577 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: you know, we go out in the morning, we're being 578 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: full pads due to run. You know, in the afternoon 579 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: we go out and how much the shold had and 580 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: we're talking about you know, we can understand that here 581 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, but we're talking about some serious heat, you 582 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying down in Miami. And you know, 583 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: I just I just always remember, um, you know, I 584 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: didn't know my roommate at the time, Chris Conlin, was 585 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: from Penn State. You know. We had the schedule up 586 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,479 Speaker 1: in our our hotel room where we stayed, and and 587 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: we were just trying to get through one one part 588 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: of the day. I mean, it was just like, okay, 589 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,719 Speaker 1: let's get through this first practice. We because we made it, 590 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: you know, and there was a point in this training 591 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: camp where you know, as a player that hadn't made 592 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: a team yet, you know that's your number one goal. 593 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: But I saw that goal switching for me. So that 594 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: goal went from you know, trying to make the team 595 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: to just surviving, you know, and you know, when your 596 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: body is banged up that bad and you just keep 597 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: pushing yourself, You're like, because there's age, You're like, there's 598 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: no way I can make it, and you just go 599 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: out there and you do it and you get it done. 600 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: And we ran all the time and did that stuff. 601 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: And I've always said that, you know, there's a lot 602 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: of things that I'll look back to my life that 603 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: you know, I've been challenging and have been tough. And 604 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: I remember after that training camp. I remember that the 605 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: influence of that camp not only as as a as 606 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: a football player, but the influence on that camp we're 607 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: going to have in my life, meaning that you know, 608 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: I've constantly got to push myself. You know, I really 609 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: don't know my own limitations, you know, And and and 610 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: it taught me so much about myself, um, and it 611 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: taught me a lot about the team, my teammates. You 612 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: know that I learned to appreciate and go back to 613 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: in times of where I feel there there's there's nothing left, 614 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: I can't do anymore, I can't push myself. So I 615 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: always kicked myself back to that time, you know, to 616 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: keep pushing myself to go forward. And you can't really 617 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: put players do that kind of camp down right, or 618 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: can you? No? And I think, you know, I think 619 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of there's a lot of 620 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: reasons for it. And I think you know, it's the 621 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 1: same it's the same thing that I've I've gone through. 622 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there was a certain way that 623 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: I that I that I played and was brought up 624 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: coach that you know, I obviously brought with me to UM. 625 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: You know, my career in coaching that has evolved, you know, 626 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: because of you know, player safety and the athletes that 627 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: are changing. So I don't I don't look back and say, 628 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: you know, these guys nowadays couldn't do that, or they 629 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 1: would be better if they did that. I think that, 630 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: you know, the steps were taken, you know, as a 631 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: league for the future of health and safety for our 632 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,919 Speaker 1: players is not, no doubt, the right direction. I don't 633 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: look back and things that coaches, coaches had asked me 634 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: to do, or anything look back and say, gosh, I 635 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: can't believe they put me in that situation. I don't. 636 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,959 Speaker 1: I don't feel that way at all. There's no animosity 637 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 1: towards that. UM. You know, if anything I found a positive, 638 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,280 Speaker 1: you know, for me, I can't speak for everybody else, 639 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,919 Speaker 1: you know, and and and and pushing myself that much 640 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,240 Speaker 1: where Truly it is mind over matter. Final question, UM, 641 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: specific to this year's Jaguars team. I know you haven't 642 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: seen him on the field yet and it's been an 643 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: unusual part of the offseason, but is there anything that 644 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 1: you can tell me that you like about this bunch. 645 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: If fans haven't gotten a chance to see that, maybe 646 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: it's just unique, you know, or is it too early 647 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: to tell because you haven't seen him on the field. 648 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: I think I think, you know, it's it's it's a 649 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: it's a difficult question from a standpoint of you know, 650 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: there there's a lot of things that I'm excited about, 651 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: you know, but I haven't seen them with my eyes yet, 652 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: and I think that you know, i'd be it would 653 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 1: be unfair for me too, you know, paint a picture 654 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: of the actual results, you know, for the fan. And 655 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: you know, I has been someone that has taken pride 656 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 1: and just saying, you know, exactly what's in my heart 657 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: on my mind and not trying to be too dramatic 658 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: or overblown or or or come across as phony that 659 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: I'm trying to sell and think of that nature. But 660 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: I will tell you what I'm excited about. I think 661 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be interesting this year with the 662 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,879 Speaker 1: amount of youth that we have on this team, uh 663 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: and how hungry they are and you know, for the 664 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: most part, how well they've picked things up. I think 665 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: it's going to challenge our older players, you know, are 666 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: veteran players. Um. You know, these guys are really good communicators. Um, 667 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: they have a great sense of respect for the people 668 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: that have played this game. But they're gonna come in 669 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: here and compete. I think that we have, you know, 670 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: people more so on the offensive side of the ball, 671 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: you know that are are playmakers. More more types of 672 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: guys that are playmakers than we've had before. Some of 673 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: them are guys that were with us that are still developing. 674 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: Some of them are guys that are going into the 675 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: final year of their contract. You know. Some of them 676 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: are guys that are coming in free agency and in college. 677 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: You know. So some of them have proven to be 678 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 1: playmakers in this league, but proven that you know, they've 679 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: had a little bit of injury. So you know, we've 680 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: got to make sure that those players stay healthy and 681 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: the young guys, you know, have the ability to do it. 682 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: And now it's just a matter of where we can 683 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: put them and how much they can retain. You know, 684 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: I think Dave and I have had discussions. We're constantly 685 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: still looking. It's not not like, hey, we're set with 686 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: this ninety and going. You know, if we feel as 687 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: any way to improve this team, Dave and I have 688 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: had great communication, you know, talked about multiple players that 689 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: you know, are the year out there or maybe you know, 690 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: get cut, you know, for salary cap whatever it may be. 691 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: You know, So these conversations with our personnel department go 692 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: on all the time. So I'm excited. Defensively, I think 693 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: that you know, we lost players, and I think we're 694 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: able to fill some of them. We filled with veteran guys. 695 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about the linebacker situation, and some 696 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: of them were filled with workies that we've draft that 697 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: that we're expecting big things up. So you know, a 698 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of that is going to be 699 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: on their performance and what they do. We put an 700 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 1: emphasis on, you know, stopping the run, which is something 701 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: that hurt us. Um, we're able to go out and 702 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: and stick by a plan, you know, Dave and I, 703 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: you know, for them, the plan, the shot and you 704 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: know and and and and the coaches and the scouts, 705 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: and we really stuck by it, you know, the type 706 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 1: of people we wanted to bring in, the type of 707 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: style that we wanted to play. Um, I feel that 708 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,959 Speaker 1: we've addressed some needs. Obviously, you always want better debt, 709 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 1: but you know, I think I'm excited to see what 710 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: these guys can do. Um. You know, I think a 711 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,839 Speaker 1: lot of people on the outside of saying this team 712 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: is not gonna be good, this team is not gonna 713 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: be that. You know. We we we hear that. It's 714 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: not like we're we're we shut that stuff off, you know. 715 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: But I couldn't. It couldn't be any further from the truth. 716 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 1: I mean, I really, really, I feel really comfortable, you 717 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,240 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, um, um, coaching this football team, 718 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: and I feel really good about, you know, when we 719 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: get out there, um, you know, getting the best of 720 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 1: the team, and the team getting the best of me 721 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: and the coaches. Um. So I'm I'm actually super excited. 722 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,280 Speaker 1: Um you know, um, you know, and I say everything, Hey, 723 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: you know, don't believe what you read. Let's go out 724 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: there and prove it to you. Doug, You're always generous 725 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: with your time and you're always fascinating to talk to. 726 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: I appreciate you doing this, and I look forward to 727 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: seeing you. When I see you, who knows when that 728 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: will be, but I look forward to and thank you 729 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: very much. Right, thank you, John. I think what strikes 730 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,879 Speaker 1: me about Doug in the last couple of weeks. It's 731 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 1: the same thing, maybe a continuing storyline of what everybody 732 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: in the media and I think fans who really followed 733 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: the team closely as seeing were Doug in that he 734 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 1: came in Dave with this real reputation when he came 735 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: to Jaguars of being a tough guy to deal with, 736 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: of being a tough nut to crack if you will, 737 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: uh and really being hard to reach, and with the 738 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 1: Jack krys Man, he has been anything but that. And 739 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's always the most comfortable thing 740 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: in the world for him to open up, but he 741 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: really is the guy who is warning his heart on 742 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: his sleeve to use an awful cliche, since he's joined 743 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 1: this organization or become the page, and it feels like 744 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: the last few weeks he's really shown people aside of 745 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 1: himself to maybe he didn't know was there. I'm just 746 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: very impressed with him as a person and how he 747 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 1: handles being the head coach of this team and how 748 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 1: he's handled this the last few weeks and even the 749 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: last few months. Anybody that works in the NFL, or 750 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 1: I mean even I can relate that this offseason has 751 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 1: been tough and preparing for a season. You don't know 752 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: what's gonna be. It's tough. And as far as Doug, 753 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: it's funny kind of tell us tell this story is 754 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: when he first got the job with us. I know 755 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: some people that at the Buffalo bills to do my 756 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: job and they were like, hey, you know coaches shows 757 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,319 Speaker 1: and scheduling thing, Hey might be tough. He's a tough 758 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 1: guy to deal with sometimes. And I've had completely the opposite, um, 759 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:27,320 Speaker 1: the opposite experience with Doug. He's been professional, was easy 760 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,839 Speaker 1: to work with, willing to do whatever you need him 761 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,280 Speaker 1: to do, and I really like him as a person 762 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 1: and and how he's handled these last I guess it's 763 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: been a month now with everything. I mean, he's handled 764 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 1: with grace and has really kind of put out what 765 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: he thinks, which is hard for coaches to do because 766 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,720 Speaker 1: you know, they have to answer to a lot of people, 767 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: whether it's fans, ownership, their own players. And you get 768 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: the idea that you know, Doug is genuine about how 769 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: he feels about this social justice movement that's happened the 770 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 1: last few months. And also even before that, when questions 771 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 1: and his and his uh his media conferences would come 772 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: up about COVID you could tell I mean this, you know, 773 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: this whole thing affected him, um, and it's pretty and 774 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 1: you know so much as like made of like like 775 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick at the Patriots, who too extremely successful or whatever. 776 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,759 Speaker 1: But I don't think many people know who he is, um, 777 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: And it's just you know, there's always that stark contrast, 778 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: you know if coaches and Doud comes off to me like, 779 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: you know, just not I won't say a regular guy, 780 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: but just a guy trying to do his job. And 781 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: it's very relatable. I think that's what I'm trying to say. 782 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: And you're never sure when you do podcasts, when you 783 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: do content, people call things now, you're never sure if 784 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: everybody listens to everything, because there's so much out there. 785 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: But for people who are maybe listening to this and 786 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: heard Doug Marone talk, I think if you want some 787 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 1: real insight into the person and how he's handled the 788 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: last few weeks, which for a head coach, this has 789 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 1: not been an easy time. It is not an easy 790 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,280 Speaker 1: thing to I don't want to use the word navigate, 791 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: but to know how to handle with sixty different players 792 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: on your team. If you go back and listen to 793 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: the ozone podcast, the Terry Robiski Mars Pollard last week. 794 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 1: They said a lot, they talked. They were almost laughing 795 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 1: during it because they continued to go back to praising 796 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 1: Doug Morone and how he's handled this and that the 797 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 1: Jaguars approach couldn't have been the approach it was without Doug. 798 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,320 Speaker 1: And I really didn't talk to Doug during the podcast 799 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: about that because he's not the kind of person who's 800 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: gonna answer a question real well if he's being praised. 801 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 1: It's just not I've been around and long enough, that's 802 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,919 Speaker 1: not going to get a great answer. But the things 803 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 1: that Marcus and Terry were saying about Doug were things 804 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,359 Speaker 1: that you can't fake. And they were talking about Doug 805 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:23,320 Speaker 1: Marone and situations that he can't fake in terms of 806 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 1: how he's approached this, how he has had conversations with 807 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: both of them and other black players about the things 808 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,160 Speaker 1: going on. I don't think you can be a phony 809 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: or faith and things that they were staying about him. 810 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,840 Speaker 1: And I think if people really are interested in what 811 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,759 Speaker 1: Doug Maron is like, maybe listen to that podcast. I 812 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 1: need you get a real appreciation for it. So really, 813 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: with this podcast day, there wasn't a whole lot. I 814 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,439 Speaker 1: think that we could say more than Doug is said 815 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,319 Speaker 1: about his comment, so we're prised. Just leave it at that. 816 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 1: I appreciate people listening to the z own podcasts. I 817 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: appreciate Joe Fortunate in a date to Kansas for making 818 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 1: us sound good. We will see you guys next week. 819 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: And I hope this one didn't stop. Yeah,