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Speaker 1: out podcast, Happy Tuesday. What's a podcast? So you really

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Speaker 1: could be listening to this on any day. I'm recording

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Speaker 1: this a little bit after the breaking news, which I'm

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Speaker 1: glad it broke before I recorded. Peacock In. The NFL

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Speaker 1: will have a playoff game the Saturday night wild Card

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Speaker 1: into that some other I dove into more depth about

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Speaker 1: some of the details of the schedule, doubleheaders on Monday night.

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Speaker 1: breaking news today and you know, I'd say it was

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Speaker 1: a curve ball. It is the first NFL playoff game

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Speaker 1: NBC's been doing this for a while, right, they put

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Speaker 1: different content that they own. I'm a golf guy obviously,

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Speaker 1: the combination of the two of them. Once you split

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Speaker 1: it up, it ain't the same. But Andy was winning

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Speaker 1: with Alex Smith every single year, winning, going to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Got rid of him. They took the next step. Now

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Speaker 1: they're going to super Bowls and winning them. Right, I

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Speaker 1: would put several other teams in the mix of really

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Speaker 1: high level culture. Eagles Niners, Bengals, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: it is player driven, right, player driven Football's you know,

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Speaker 1: the coaches have by standards. But in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: the days of like Bear Bryant, this is not college football,

436
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Speaker 1: and Bill Parcells MF and you twenty four to seven,

437
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Speaker 1: three sixty five kind of over. They're just we saw

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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer came in and within like three months they're like,

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Speaker 1: this is this ain't gonna work right because a lot

440
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: of it's on the guys. So think about Kansas City,

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Speaker 1: where does the standard start? Patrick Mahons, with Travis Kelce,

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Speaker 1: with Chris Jones for a while with the Honey Badger.

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Speaker 1: You know, the standard is really really high. Listen, Tyreek

444
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Speaker 1: Hill had some questions over the years off the field,

445
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: but you talk to anyone his practice habits pretty high.

446
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Speaker 1: I've been around the forty nine ers for years. Other

447
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: guys are so high level. I mean, it ain't a

448
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Speaker 1: fuck around session at practice. Think about the Eagles. Lane

449
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Speaker 1: Johnson was like a Hall of Fame player last year,

450
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Speaker 1: did everything humanly possible to dump take his body to

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Speaker 1: keep playing in the playoffs. Super Rich already won a

452
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. There's no you got to drag that guy

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Speaker 1: off the field, Kelsey pletcher Cox, Brandon Graham. Cultures are

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Speaker 1: set as much as we want to think by the coaches,

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Speaker 1: I think in twenty twenty three, and you could argue

456
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 1: it's always been a little bit like this, but with

457
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Speaker 1: the amount of money role players get, let alone the stars,

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00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: it's got to be very, very players driven. It really does.

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Speaker 1: And I think football really benefits from not having to

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Speaker 1: worry about you're gonna have terrible teams. But the Texans

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Speaker 1: kind of I mean, Lovely Smith won a game. No

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Speaker 1: one's not trying to win. You might just suck, right.

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Speaker 1: The Bears. The Bears tried to win games last year.

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Speaker 1: They just couldn't. They did that. The Rams, you think

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay ever, tried to lose any of these games

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Speaker 1: held by the end of the season. Baker Mayfield and

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Speaker 1: they're beating the Raiders on Thursday night football, you know,

468
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: because it drives these guys nuts. But it's just to me,

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Speaker 1: it's a fascinating kind of dichotomy between the two operations because,

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Speaker 1: let's face it, tanking in basketball, which makes sense right

471
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Speaker 1: because one player can eat you get the right guy

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Speaker 1: a Tim Duncan and Steph Curry, a Kobe, a Lebron.

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Speaker 1: You franchise has changed with football, it's really only the quarterback, right,

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Speaker 1: And how many of those quarterbacks have we seen over

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Speaker 1: the last decade? Right? With the number one overall pick

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow Andrew Locke, I think Trevor Lawrence. I bet

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Speaker 1: on him, but he's let's see a little more work, right,

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Speaker 1: because you think about Patrick Mahomes like he wasn't his

479
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Speaker 1: number one pick. You know this year it's going to

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Speaker 1: be very, very fascinating. Right if you suck in the

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Speaker 1: middle of November and you have two or three wins

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Speaker 1: and you're in the mix for the number one pick.

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Speaker 1: There is no argument that losing is the right thing.

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Speaker 1: It's just hard to execute that. It really is, because

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Speaker 1: no player on your team is going to tap out.

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Speaker 1: And coaches, even if you're like, this guy's probably gonna

487
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Speaker 1: get fired, you think he's going to be be the

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Speaker 1: guy that keeps losing games and just gets the thumbs

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Speaker 1: up on the when you tell him to clean out

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Speaker 1: his office in the end of the season. But the

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Speaker 1: Caleb William thing's gonna be fascinating. That's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: little side project. We're going to talk about all year

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Speaker 1: long as the season goes. A couple other quick things.

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, he's unofficially retired, all right, Florio wrote. The

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Speaker 1: only reason there's no point for him to say I'm

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Speaker 1: done because listen, he's not getting another job, no one's

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Speaker 1: bringing him in. His career is over that If you

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Speaker 1: weren't a quote unquote officially retire, the twelve million dollars

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Speaker 1: that the Indianapolis Colts owe him would not come his way.

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Speaker 1: So it behooves him to say, listen, I'm I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: work for CBS. I'm gonna do some studio stuff, call

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Speaker 1: some games, but I'm not officially retired. We all know

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan is never playing in the NFL again. To me,

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Speaker 1: the only way that would be humanly possible is a

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Speaker 1: team as a bunch of injuries. They stink and they're

506
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Speaker 1: desperate and they just need a guy to play. And

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Speaker 1: even then, if you're Matt Ryan, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it would make much sense for him to do that.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing that I and I try to be.

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Speaker 1: I viewed few ex players going into call games as

511
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Speaker 1: like GM's view draft prospects. I'm pretty good. I told

512
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: you Drew Brees was going to stink Tom Brady. I'm

513
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Speaker 1: very on the fence about I think with Matt Ryan,

514
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Speaker 1: and I've watched a lot of his press conference over

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Speaker 1: the years here to hurt him interviewed people. I know

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Speaker 1: that Noah will love him, you know, I think he's

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Speaker 1: a legit guys guy. I think there are kind of

518
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Speaker 1: two versions of this, and I think Brady is the

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Speaker 1: best version. But Matt falls under his category is like,

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Speaker 1: they can just be a dude. They can be very

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Speaker 1: relatable despite being worth hundreds of millions of dollars and

522
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: been super rich now for almost two decades. But when

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Speaker 1: they're just talking to someone, they have a skill to relate.

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Speaker 1: But then they also can go into this mode of

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Speaker 1: when quarterbacks give a press conference, they kind of can

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Speaker 1: turn into a coach. They're not that candid, They're very

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Speaker 1: careful about what they say, and let's face it, it's

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Speaker 1: kind of bland and boring, and part of being good

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Speaker 1: on television in Collin games is to kind of let

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Speaker 1: your personality come out. And here's the other thing. I

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Speaker 1: don't expect players who just finished playing to crush players.

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Speaker 1: I don't Besides the obvious, right a bad drop, a misassignment,

533
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Speaker 1: but like just to be like this guy stinks, like

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00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: that's kind of my job. That's the fans job. I

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Speaker 1: understand players, especially their friends. Or this guy is over

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00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: the hill, this guy is shot. Then that's how we

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Speaker 1: talk about these guys. That's honestly how the coaches and

538
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: front office people talk. But I get with players. Their friends,

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00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: they've hung out with these guys, they know their families,

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Speaker 1: they might know their kids. It can be difficult, so

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Speaker 1: I give them a little bit of a pass the

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00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: first year or two when they're talking about players. I

543
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: have a hard time though, with us, the consumer who

544
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: spends all this time watching these games and more specifically

545
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: gambling on these games. Like I never have any hesitation.

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00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: I try to give younger players somewhat of a pass.

547
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Speaker 1: Like It's why I lean being critical on the coaches,

548
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: because it's like a lot of them one probably should

549
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: and have their job. If you make it to the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I got a ton of respect for you as a player.

551
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: Just because your coach of the NFL does not mean shit.

552
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: You know, not everyone is some legit coach in the league.

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Speaker 1: I promise you that you could trim the fat in

554
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Speaker 1: half and no one would notice and insert guys from

555
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: college or high school, it would not skip a beat.

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Speaker 1: So I've never listen Matt Ryan, I think could have

557
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: a point of difference, or any new former player. And

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Speaker 1: it's hard because usually you know a lot of these coaches,

559
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: but like it's the number one thing we all can

560
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: see when there's a dumb call, when guys aren't prepared.

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Speaker 1: You know, I always lean it's a coaching league first,

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00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: less than the players. Like I blame brock Perty's injury

563
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 1: on Kyle Shanahan. Terrible play call. You can't have your

564
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Speaker 1: backup tight end blocking an all pro like and then

565
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: get mad when your quarterback gets his elbow ripped in half.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean Kyle's a village idiot. It doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: Kyle hasn't won six playoff games in the last four years.

568
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Speaker 1: But that was an off call. It's like Belichick makes

569
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: bad calls, just like Andy's. But it's not even just

570
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: about the head coaches, the position coaches. It's about the

571
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: coordinators because that's really the game. Now. Some of these

572
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: head coaches now and a lot of them, especially on offense,

573
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: are the play caller, but the defensive coordinators. That's how

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00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: we all talk on the couch. It's why I think

575
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman these last couple of years, once Tony Romel

576
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: got that raise, kind of got back to his roots

577
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: like kind of lets it rip sometimes and it's kind

578
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,719
Speaker 1: of more it's relatable again, and I hope Matt can

579
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: just kind of let it rip because it's hard, Like

580
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,239
Speaker 1: you're just not gonna be good if everything is you know,

581
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: candy and rainbows and just a thumbs up, good job,

582
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 1: keep it rolling. This coach has got a bright future

583
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: when he's losing by twenty points and he was a

584
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: seven point favorite, So you gotta be willing listen. I'm

585
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: not expecting every guy on television to just shit on

586
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: everyone on when they're having bad moments. But if you

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00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: can't be critical at all, you're just not gonna be

588
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: good on television, not in twenty twenty three, where authenticity

589
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: and just a reality. Like we've all seen enough football

590
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: now we have access to a million games, kind of

591
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: know what it looks like. Right, We've all watched the

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00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: Chiefs in Alabama and Ohio State, and you know, all

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00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: these guys play enough to know what good, what mediocre

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00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: and what bad looks like. You're not shocking anyone just

595
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: because you know. The dude runs a you know, construction company.

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00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: He's been watching football for forty years, knows what good

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00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: and bad looks like. Might not know all the inchors,

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00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, the exes knows the specific details of every

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Speaker 1: single play, But I know what a well coached team

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Speaker 1: looks like. Right. If I'm just an average Joe and

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Speaker 1: I've been watching football, and I'm forty five years old

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00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: and I'm a diired football fan, it's pretty clear I

603
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: know what a well coached offense or defense looks like.

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Speaker 1: And I just I always get nervous with these, especially

605
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: his high profile Drew Beries. Couldn't do it. Couldn't do it.

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00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: I knew that was coming because it's a corporate image.

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00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan's has a little less like corporate national image,

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Speaker 1: but he's pretty famous and he's definitely pretty rich, and

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Speaker 1: I do I am concerned that he's not going to

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Speaker 1: just be able to let a rip. Okay, let's dive

611
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: into a little thing we call a mailbag at John

612
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: middlecoff is the Instagram. Fire into those direct messages and

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00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: get your question answered here on the pot my Instagram

614
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: is just my name. Spell it out at John Middlecoff

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00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: two f's. Eagles only gave me one when I first

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Speaker 1: got in office. But you know, a long time ago.

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00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: It's not like I still remember John. What up man?

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Speaker 1: Jimmy from Chicago? Shy town baby? Can we just keep

619
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: it real and say who James Harden is? He's Kirk Cousins,

620
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,479
Speaker 1: big numbers with nothing on the line, and softer than

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Speaker 1: Sharman when the lights get bright. Dude folds like a

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00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: chair when the games matter. At his best, he's a

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Speaker 1: number three on a team. At best. Here's the difference.

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Speaker 1: I would say James Harden won an MVP and just

625
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: had seasons where in the regular season I mean, did

626
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: the average over thirty points one year obviously dominated forever

627
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: in Houston. His regular season, he was a better regular

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Speaker 1: season player than Kirk Cousins has ever been a regular

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Speaker 1: seasons player. His regular season can look now, it doesn't transfer,

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Speaker 1: And you could argue the regular season in basketball does

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Speaker 1: not parallel the playoffs. It's like a different sport, where

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00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: in football it does parallel each other. Like if you're

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Speaker 1: beating good teams throughout the regular season, you can beat

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00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: good teams in the playoffs. But Kirk Cousins, the knock

635
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: on him has just been bright lights, not even in

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00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: the playoffs, It's been primetime games in his career. Right,

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Speaker 1: So I would say in a weird way, Harden is

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Speaker 1: a better version of Cousins. But also in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: And this goes for football too, Kirk Cousins and Dak

640
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: Prescott when their careers are over, are gonna be so

641
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: filthy rich it's stupid. I mean, we know Cousins has

642
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 1: made a ton of money, right franchise back to back years,

643
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: eighty five million dollars first contract, sixty million extension. I'm

644
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: no math major, but probably close over two hundred million dollars.

645
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: I looked it up today. James Harden has made three

646
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. So if he got a hundred million

647
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: dollar contract, which many expect him to get way more,

648
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna end up making four hundred and twenty five

649
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty million dollars playing basketball. And here's

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00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: the thing. In the NFL. You know, if I pay

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Speaker 1: Cousins and Dak a lot of money and I consistently win,

652
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: especially Dak's a good example. If I'm going to the

653
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: playoffs every year. There's a lot of value in that,

654
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: especially as the Cowboys. But I'm never winning a Super Bowl,

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00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to be a dick about it

656
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: with Dak, a guy I do like the guy. I

657
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: have a lot of respect for every time I see him.

658
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: I've never met the guy personally, but clearly a high

659
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: level guy has maximized all his talent, cares a lot,

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00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: is like everything you look for. I would rather have

661
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, thank Kirk Cousins, even though we can argue

662
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: their numbers. I'm taking Dak over Cousins, but I don't

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00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 1: think either is beating the top guys in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Now you could argue the NFC. Who knows, maybe the

665
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: Eagles screw up, you don't even have to play him

666
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: and you end up getting brock Perrie. I don't know. Like, obviously,

667
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: the the NFC in theory should open up a little

668
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: bit more than the AFC. But there is value if

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Speaker 1: you're winning double digit games going in the playoffs every

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00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: single year in the NBA, like I'm sorry, unless you're

671
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: getting me to the conference championship every year and giving

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00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: me a chance to win a finals you pay a

673
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: guy that much money, it's a waste of cash. Now

674
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: problems to Harden. He's gonna be, you know, a half

675
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: billionaire and one of the worst playoff players we've ever

676
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: seen in ever. I mean, it's insane, it really is.

677
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy. Not hate the Lakers, but I'll say this,

678
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: Lebron James is an incredible playoff player. Anthony Davis, we

679
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: can talk about it. He gets injured all the time.

680
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: When that guy wants to play. Holy shit. Nikolea Jokic,

681
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: you watched in the last two years. Last year, I

682
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: think the Warriors beat him in five. He was incredible.

683
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: Draymond Green gave him a hug after the after they

684
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: beat him beat him in five and was like, you're

685
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: one of the best players we've ever played. You watched

686
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: what that guy's doing right now. It was funny. In

687
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: the NBA and Colin talks a lot about this, it's

688
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: a hype machine sport. Like it's hard, Like there's no

689
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: hype machine in football. It's got to keep like you

690
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: got to produce, Like you can give me a bunch

691
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: of hype, bunch of hype, bunch of hype, and then

692
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I watched two a play You're wrong, right,

693
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: A bunch of hype, bunch of hype, bunch of hype.

694
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: Ask guy's actually not that good in basketball, James Harden

695
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: and b these guys get so much hype, just the hype,

696
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: the hype, the shoes, John Murran, the shoes, the commercials,

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Speaker 1: the highlights. It's like, Yeah, there's like seven guys i'd

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00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: want to go to war with. Like I like Devin

699
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: Booker a lot. Someone told me where my office is.

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00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: His mom used to live in the facility. I guess

701
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Speaker 1: he goes to the store right across the street from

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Speaker 1: where I'm at all the time to shop, and I

703
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: think he's excellent. If I ever ran into him at

704
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: the store, I'd say, you know what, you remind me

705
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: a lot of the Warriors guys. The way you conduct yourself,

706
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: the way you play like, I think you're gonna win bick.

707
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: Not that he need me to say that, but I

708
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: truly believe that. But I've watched the last couple of

709
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: years them kind of gutlessly tap out and sometimes you

710
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: don't have it right. And the difference in football and

711
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: baseball and basketball is like, over the course of a series,

712
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: you know, if your bad game comes an elimination game,

713
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't look great. But like in football,

714
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Speaker 1: ultimately Cousin just isn't good enough. Like he has he

715
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: was a fourth round pick. He has serious limitations athletically,

716
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: there's only so much he can do. And then he's

717
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: kind of robotic that he's not a natural kind of

718
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: you know. For example, Joe Burrow is like the best

719
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: version of Tony Romo. He's like Tony Romo on steroids,

720
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: way better. But there's like this instinctive, natural kind of

721
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: flow to his game. It doesn't all feel I honestly

722
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: think it was one of Peyton Manning's downfall why he

723
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: didn't win four Super Bowls and he only won two.

724
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 1: Now he went to a couple more. But Peyton Manning

725
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: is like the guy that you know Rady won seven,

726
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: Manning one four. If I would have told you that

727
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: eight years ago, you know, I could see it. But

728
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Speaker 1: there was something de Manning where he just in the

729
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: playoffs just a little. Sometimes I think in sports, when

730
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Speaker 1: you think too much, and you could argue this it

731
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: parallels any industry, but even if you're an overthinker as

732
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: a sales guy, as an architect, whatever you're not. Everything

733
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Speaker 1: has to happen immediately, right at the snap of a finger,

734
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: like in football the ball snapped. You're an overthinker. A

735
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: split second could be a pick six right. An overthinking

736
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: a drive can ultimately cost you a game of three

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Speaker 1: and out. And I think Cousins has that element of

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Speaker 1: Peyton where he just he thinks too sometimes too much.

739
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: You watch Patrick Mahomes, he's playing. You watch Steph Curry,

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00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: He's just kind of playing, you know. I like my

741
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: guys to there'd be a like Deebo Samuel or George Kittle.

742
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: There's just like an instinctive element to their game. Dak

743
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: does have some of that, but Dak doesn't have a

744
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: great arm. Some picks, you know, now you can throw

745
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: picks if you have a hose, but far through a

746
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: lot of them. He also made a lot of enormous

747
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: explosive plays. So I don't even know. Forget the question now,

748
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: I've been ranting and raven for a second back. I

749
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Speaker 1: think Harden is a better version of Cousins, but I

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Speaker 1: think they both I'm in agreement. They fall under the

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Speaker 1: same umbrella. Okay, let's go to make fiance's account. So

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Speaker 1: it's not actually make two questions for you. First, how

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Speaker 1: far do you think the Vikings can realistically get with

754
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: Kirkuz is a fascinating conversation. You know what's crazy is

755
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: sometimes the most polarizing discussions, Like Lebron I'm not a

756
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: big Lebron guy, but I can't say like he's not good, Like, yeah,

757
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: he's one of the best athletes I've ever seen any sport.

758
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: But hell, you might not like you know whoever, Kevin Durant,

759
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: but you have to acknowledge like he's pretty special, right,

760
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: you might not love you know whoever, Patrick Mahomes. I

761
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: don't know who that guy, Tom Brady or Peyton Manning,

762
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: but y'all acknowledge it's like that second tier guy that

763
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 1: you're just like, how good is this guy? That guy

764
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: usually creates the most conversation in basketball forever. Now, honestly,

765
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: it's been James Harden and now it's kind of like

766
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: Joel embiid Russell Westbrook. In football, it's always Cousins, Dak

767
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, Kyler Murray, right, Derek Carr. It's You're never

768
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: gonna meet anyone who's like this Joe Burrow guy don't

769
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: fucking see it, right, you know, Jalen Hurts can't believe

770
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: the Eagles. What were they thinking? Right, Carson Wentz, it's

771
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: the guy in that tier that's not at the top.

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00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: You can even put Herbert there right now, but he's

773
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: a couple of years away from like being in that

774
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: true conversation. Jimmy's been in it forever. Derek Carr's been

775
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: at it forever, Derek, or excuse me, Dak Cousins. Those guys,

776
00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones now has entered the chat. Those are the guys,

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00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: because what do you say, like it is the honest

778
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: guy man monster. You know, hell, he lost in the

779
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: first round. You're not gonna meet a soul that's like

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't want Jannis loser, right. I mean it's like

781
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: in baseball, it's a little bit I'll say this about baseball. Uh,

782
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: seeing the Giants win three World Series in five years,

783
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: baseball can be a little weird, you know. I mean

784
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: you need some luck, some specific like pitching situations go

785
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: your way, a pitch hit guy hits a home run.

786
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: In football and basketball, like the top guys usually win

787
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: and the middle tier guys usually disappoint. That's that's kind

788
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: of the formula the history of the league. And then

789
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: we end up talking. We rank the sweet guys and

790
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 1: we argue over like, oh, this guy's two, this guy's won,

791
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: and then we just scream, hoot and holler over the

792
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: middle tier guys. You know, they're I guess they're slightly

793
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: above middle tier, like the above average guy who's actually

794
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: good and who's not good, like ultimately Kirk Cousins is

795
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: a really good NFL player now relative like Mahomes, Burrow,

796
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Right, all all the top older guys, Brady Rogers,

797
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: he's not even in their universe, but relative to you know,

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00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: basically like twelve through thirty two. Yeah, he's really good.

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00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: I remember their backup quarterbacks like, he's a very good player.

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00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan was in that for a while, so long

801
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: way away. Say, a lot of people are not going

802
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: to pick them to make the playoffs, And I didn't

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00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: pick him last year, I might as well not pick

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00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: him again. Have you or anyone worked with anyone you

805
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: worked with while scouting ever looked at a player from

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00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: D three or D two that made it to the NFL.

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00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 1: I played at D three level and wondered if that happened. Thanks,

808
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: keep up the work. Well, I'm a West Coast guy,

809
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: meaning like I scattered the West, and you know, I

810
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: was at Frezo State, even at cal Pauly. We don't

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00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: really have on the West Coast like you do in

812
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: the South or maybe the Midwest, definitely the Northeast some

813
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: of those like D two and D three schools. Like

814
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: if you're gonna play college football out west beside junior college,

815
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: you're either gonna play D one double A, right, like

816
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: from Montana to UC Davis to cal Pauly, which produces

817
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: NFL guys for sure, right, Trey Lance Carson Wentz. I

818
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: mean a ton of position players, not not like consistently

819
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: like every program's got multiple, but NFL guys every single

820
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: year getting drafted D one double A or non power five.

821
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: Like you're playing in the Mountain West, where like we

822
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: didn't have that many D two, D three options over

823
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: here now I think around the country if there is,

824
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: like if you were a scout, the only way that

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00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: you would end up at like a D two school

826
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: is because there was like a you know, a dude

827
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: transferred from Cincinnati or a guy left, you know, got

828
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: kicked out of Georgia kicked out of junior college and

829
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: ended up there some situation like that, and more likely

830
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: than not that guy is going to go to D

831
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: one Double A. Right, He's more likely to go to

832
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: like McNee State or Montana after getting kicked out of

833
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: like you know, I'm just picking schools here, Cincinnati or Wisconsin,

834
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: and no other Power five teams are gonna mess with

835
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 1: him than he is to go D two because those

836
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: you know, South Dakota State or whoever, you know, Sack

837
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: State who made a little run last year would come

838
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: sniffing around. So yeah, I mean I D two's players

839
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: have definitely, you know, made it in the league, but

840
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: it's it's fewer and far between. I would say, you know,

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00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: definitely one double A. All those programs, like when I scouted,

842
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: I went through them all This year, the Patriots drafted

843
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: the dude from sax State in the third round. So

844
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: now I think there's a pretty big gap. You know

845
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: better than me. I mean, I've never watched D three football, honestly,

846
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: don't have much experience with D two. D one double

847
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: A football is not bad. Like the top ten teams

848
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: in D one Double A. I mean, we've seen it

849
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: before Appalachian State is now a powerf or you know

850
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: Vision I program. But you know South Dakota State, North

851
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: Dakota State, Montana, Montana State, Sax State's good or they

852
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: were they lost their coach got the job at Stanford.

853
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: But like you know col Pauly, when I was I

854
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: think this is when I went to Fresno State, they

855
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: almost beat with Wisconsin. They had a really good team,

856
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,479
Speaker 1: so you know, you can have I think their field

857
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: goal kicker missed like four extra points or something. It

858
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: was a it was a rough day, but should have

859
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: beat Wisconsin. From David, what's your best advice for making

860
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: it living as a podcaster? What are three to five

861
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: things that need to fall into place to make it work?

862
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: You know, I one, people have to be able to

863
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: find it, So you need a distribution platform besides just

864
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: loading it on Apple or you know YouTube. Now, so

865
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: many people have podcasts a lot to get lost in

866
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: the shuffle. So having a distribution platform, right, I mean,

867
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 1: that's pretty big. When you look at the top top podcasts,

868
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: whether it's Pardon My Take or Rosillo or whoever Colin

869
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: you name it, they either are massive brands individually, like

870
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: Colin Coward has a He's had a radio show for decades,

871
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: so even before he ever started streaming a show and

872
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: created a podcast network, Like you think Colin Coward, you

873
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: think Talking Right Barstool, they have a large network. Roscillo,

874
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: longtime talk show host, links up with Bill Simmons. So

875
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: I think it's very, very difficult to do it by

876
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 1: yourself if you're gonna be like an independent, small guy

877
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: and have success. You know, when I first started podcasting

878
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: and I have another podcast is basically a forty nine podcast,

879
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: we had a built in audience, so like you have

880
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 1: to have people that are already listening to you because

881
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: we had a radio show. I don't know. I don't

882
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: know if I'm sitting here, if I just left the

883
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: NFL and got a podcast, no way, my it would

884
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: not be the same situation. So before I ever started podcasting,

885
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: I was in radio for three and a half years.

886
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: Then if you can somehow figure that element out, which

887
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: is obviously very difficult, you know, you got to link

888
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: up with someone. I think you know, sound quality is big,

889
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: consistency is big. Finding what you're I'm a big believer

890
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: in and if you've listened to this show, like and

891
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm not just going to talk about the Cowboys talk

892
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: about the Cowboys, right, I just talk about what interests me.

893
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: And maybe that's a slower build to where the podcast

894
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: ends up one day. And maybe if I did more,

895
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: I don't even want to say shock jock, but just

896
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: kind of played it like you would have to for

897
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: a radio show. You know, I'd get more viral clips

898
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I truly don't care. Like I don't

899
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: have a take on the Cowboys today, Like I got

900
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: nothing to say on the Packers, right, I mean I don't.

901
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: I just don't now. Once the season starts, you gravitate

902
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: towards the good teams and the big stories. But like,

903
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: I just try to talk about what I'm excited about,

904
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: and then I hopefully and I think, you know the

905
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 1: amount of people listening to the show and success we've had,

906
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: people like it, So I would say, find what you

907
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: like talking about, what you're good at talking about, So

908
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: you gotta have some knowledge. It's easy for me to

909
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: talk about football. I've been watching football in my whole life.

910
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: I've worked in football, I read a lot about football.

911
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: I talk to people about football, So why I like

912
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: talking about golf? I play golf. I watched a PGA

913
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: tour gamble on golf. I mean, I just talk about

914
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: what I like. You know, it'd be hard for me

915
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: to do like a baseball show. Not that you know,

916
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: baseball podcasts are even that successful, but I like, I

917
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: don't know that much about baseball anymore. I don't watch

918
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: that much. I mean, I keep tab to see my

919
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: guy Bruce Bochi. I don't know, just second best record

920
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: in baseball, No big deal, text Rangers. I'm rooting from

921
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: the big fellow. But other than that, like, you got

922
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: to talk about what you know, and that doesn't whether

923
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: it's sports, whether it's real estate, you know, whether it's whatever.

924
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 1: My girlfriend went to this conference with her mom last week.

925
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: It was like a I don't know if it was

926
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: a networking conference, but it was like a conference for

927
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: real estate and started talking to a guy who was

928
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: a big real estate agent to start a podcast, and

929
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: he transitioned like doesn't even open doors anymore. His podcast

930
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: makes it more money than he ever made his a

931
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: real estate agent. The guy was very successful and it

932
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: was one of those things that just gradually took off.

933
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: And you know, there are still niches that are probably

934
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: undervalued like the football podcast. I'm not saying it because

935
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: I have one, but they're a million so it would

936
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: be very hard if you don't have a distribution platform

937
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: to just start a football or basketball podcast. It really would.

938
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: But let's say you were you worked, You're a big

939
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: sports fan, but you work in construction, or you're a

940
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: real estate guy, or you're a finance guy. And maybe

941
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm talking out of turn, but maybe there's more of

942
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: an avenue for some of that. And you can talk

943
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: sports as well, because most people I know, like my friends,

944
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: work in normal jobs. We talk sports a lot. You know,

945
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: you can kind of intertwine the two of them. That's like,

946
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: it's like middle coff, Why are you always talking money

947
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: and numbers? That's what interests me. I like business like.

948
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: I subscribe the Athletic. I still have a free one

949
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: from a long time ago. The only newspaper I subscribe

950
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: to the Wall Street Journal. Now I'm not claiming to

951
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: read the thing every day, but I'm more likely I'm

952
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: not more likely. I definitely I read articles occasionally from

953
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal. I read no other articles from

954
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: any other newspapers, partly because whenever I'm on Twitter and

955
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: someone in the NFL. I follow like post an article

956
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: for a newspaper. They write and I click on it.

957
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: I can never read it. It's like I'm not paying

958
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: for this shit. I was always curious about your playing career.

959
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: Google didn't have anything I assumed with your front office work.

960
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: You played dB in college. Did you know you wanted

961
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: to work in the NFL while in college or just

962
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: loved football? Uh? Definitely not a dB level. Wait, don't

963
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: tell you that, Matt. Do you know how good honestly

964
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: even to play dB in college, like when I was

965
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: at Fresnel State, Hell, when I was at cal Poly

966
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: Asa Jackson who ended up getting draft to buy the Ravens,

967
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: to be a dB level athlete, Like relative to America,

968
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: you are such a high end athlete. I mean it's

969
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: you might not be like NBA level, but you're a

970
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: top two or three percent guy. So no, I had

971
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: my I love football. I was a sports junkie. I

972
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: mean I like sports the whatever ten out of ten

973
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 1: is from like, you know, seven eight years old till

974
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: through college at like a fourteen. I mean it, I

975
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: couldn't have liked it anymore. Now. When I got to

976
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: the NFL, I worked with multiple people that. You know,

977
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: Howie Roseman wanted to be a GM when he was

978
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: like five. I work with scouts that some guys played

979
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: like lower level football or didn't even play that just

980
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: love the scouting. I wasn't like that. It kind of

981
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: organically happened. I just wanted to work in sports, and

982
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: it just I got kind of lucky and things just

983
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: broke my way. Now I like football more than the

984
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: other sports, but I really like basketball for a large

985
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 1: percentage of my life. You know, I love golf. Yeah,

986
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just a sports guy. I mean, I just

987
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,919
Speaker 1: enjoy watching games. I mean I still do. Hey, John,

988
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of the pod. What are some

989
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 1: of your personal and professional goals in the next five years?

990
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: You know, I'll just say this. I'm not going to

991
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: be cheesy about this, but I really struggle in the

992
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: day and age we live in, it's very hard to

993
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: see the future for a lot of things. Right, things

994
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: change so quickly. You know. It was always in the

995
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: eighties or the nineties or the fifties, it was pretty easy,

996
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: like I want to do this, and for the most part,

997
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: those jobs weren't really changing. Like in this profession, like

998
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: I want to host a radio show in a top

999
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: five market. I want to be on TV in a

1000
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 1: major network, Like I think those days are kind of dead,

1001
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: Like obviously those aren't my dreams round aspirations, I would

1002
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: say one thing non podcast wise, because I'm pretty confident

1003
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: we just keep swinging our pick here this we're headed

1004
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: in the right place. There are business elements of my

1005
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: life that I would like to own a business, and

1006
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: I have a couple ideas, but that's something in the

1007
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: next five years, even if it's just kind of a

1008
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: smaller operation. I got a couple llc ideas that are

1009
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: always in the back of my mind, but I'm still

1010
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: working them out. But I would say for the foreseeable future,

1011
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: just really really keep out of the pavement on this.

1012
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: And this has been good. Business is booming, life's going well,

1013
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: but to me, it's hard. Like five years if you

1014
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 1: would have told me five years ago, was it twenty

1015
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: twenty three, so that would have been twenty eighteen that

1016
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: I would be doing, I'd be sitting here doing this

1017
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: podcast having the sensis having like I wouldn't have believed you,

1018
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: And I never was, like I write short term goals

1019
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: and things, but I do think depending on Now every

1020
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: professions different, but I think in the business I'm in

1021
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: in terms of this, it's kind of hard. There are

1022
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: definitely golf elements to the golf media business that you know,

1023
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: I definitely want to take big strides in. But we

1024
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: got a ways to go. We just started the thing

1025
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: last year. We got some you know, some stuff in

1026
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: the fluid fluidity do it deals in the work. So

1027
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. But I would just some people

1028
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: are different, and I know, you know, you listen to

1029
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: the certain gurus about writing down goals. I'm not against that.

1030
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: Some people write down their thoughts and I've done that

1031
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: before and it's worked, and I've not done it before

1032
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: and it's worked, right. I just think you gotta Sometimes

1033
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: it's cheesy, but coaches say this a lot of like

1034
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: be where your feet are. I do think there's a

1035
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: lot of truth in that. Now. I always try to be,

1036
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: and I think most successful people try to be and

1037
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: I try to be because they are you know, big

1038
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: picture thinking. But there's a balance to it. Sometimes, you know,

1039
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: you can't just start in a full sprint. Sometimes you

1040
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 1: gotta walk through a jog and then pick up the pace.

1041
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: Things gradually take some time. It's weird, like I'm not

1042
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: a very patient person, but I think there's like a

1043
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: to be good at anything, there has to be like

1044
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 1: an aggressive patience because you gotta be you know, pedal

1045
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: of the metal and moving forward. But you got to realize,

1046
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: like some things everyone's you know, the way there things

1047
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,439
Speaker 1: break for them works at different paces, So you can't

1048
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: always get frustrated when things aren't working or something doesn't

1049
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 1: go your way. Now, sometimes you can't be naive about it,

1050
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: like it might not work and you gotta pivot. But

1051
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:46,240
Speaker 1: like once you start seeing some signs of progress slash

1052
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: success of financial you know, improvements, you know, revenue gains,

1053
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: whatever it may be, and whatever you do, you know,

1054
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: I think you gotta be willing to take it. Slows

1055
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: probably the wrong way to put it, but understand that

1056
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: you know, this might not happen in six months, but

1057
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: in two years and two and a half years and

1058
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: four years, this fucking thing could be big. I'm watching

1059
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: the NHL and NBA playoffs. There are women doing color

1060
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: commentary in the booth and it's nice to hear. Are

1061
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: there any women in the NFL media space that you

1062
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: would like to hear in the booth. When I used

1063
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: to have a radio show in the Bay, Doris Burke

1064
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: used to come on. I used to bull show with her,

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00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: you know, I used to. It was really cool. Actually,

1066
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: go to these NBA games and you know, you get

1067
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: there like three hours early. You can bull show with

1068
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: people on the sideline or talking to players. It was coaches,

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00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: it was sweet and you could definitely always talk to

1070
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: the broadcasters. I always thought she was really good, and

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00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: I think most NBA analysts are pretty terrible. I don't

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00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: watch I haven't watched much of the NHL playoffs to

1073
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: be honest with you, to know what you're talking about there.

1074
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: But I believe you the NFL. No, I mean, I

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00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: think the NFL most you know, let's face it, a

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00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: lot of analysts are pretty terrible women in different I mean,

1077
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: it's hard to call a game. That's definitely something I

1078
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: have no aspiration to do. Doesn't interest me in the

1079
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: slightest because I respect the profession and I know a

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00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: heart of this. I'm more of a reactor or talk

1081
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: about the games coming up. That's what I'm really good at.

1082
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: I would want no part of it. So when I

1083
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: talk shit about it, it's not because I don't think

1084
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: it's hard. It is, but it's pretty clear the guys

1085
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: that are good and guys that aren't good at it.

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00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, off the top of my head any

1087
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: women that I'd want to hear call a game. No,

1088
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: but I'm sure they could be better. And some of

1089
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: the guys were rolling out there because holy moly, there

1090
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: were some bad ones. What would keep the NFL from

1091
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: adding a second by a week? Extending the season seems

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00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: like it would be good for business. One of the

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00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: buys could be earmarked for before teams play their Thursday

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00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: night game, both teams competing off of buy and would

1095
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: make the games better, longer to prepare, and to make

1096
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: sure stars are healthy to play in. The NFL could

1097
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: claim player safety. Lastly, this could take the Super Bowl

1098
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: to President's Day and giving people the day off after

1099
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: the game doesn't seem doesn't longer season equal more money,

1100
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: not necessarily because they already got an eighteen week schedule,

1101
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: which is eventually going to twenty. I think once they

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00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: go to twenty games, you know, in the preseason games

1103
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: are scrapped. Maybe we eventually go to eighteen games, we'll

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00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: get the double buys. I think they like the the

1105
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: length of the offseason, right, They've already pushed the combine

1106
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: back a little bit. I guess you could push free

1107
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: agency back a little bit. The draft where it's at. Yeah,

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00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,919
Speaker 1: I mean, I would it shock me if when they

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00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: add the eighteenth game, which feels it could happen in

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00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: the next couple of years, that they add some sort

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00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: of buy. Like you said, the hard part is, you

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00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: know the teams that are playing on Thursday night, you'd

1113
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: have to coordinate their buys. I think it would be

1114
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: pretty difficult. Anyone who's read some articles it always comes

1115
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: out right around this time when the schedule comes out.

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01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: It's a pretty complex formula. It's not very easy to do. Yeah,

1117
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm the wrong guy to ask on that.

1118
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: I've been listening to RJ Bell for a while, who

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01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: used to have a show on Fox Sports Radio. He

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01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: mentioned yourself on his podcast fairly regularly as someone who

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01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: listens to you. I like a I've known RJ for

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01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: a long time. Have you ever thought, while in the

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01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: off season, we're near the start of the year to

1124
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: have him on the podcast to bring a pro gambling

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01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: to get his perspective, and have you had any conversations

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01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: with him? If not, I really do recommend having him on. Yeah,

1127
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: I got to reach out to him. Good idea. Okay,

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Speaker 1: last question, Hey John, just listen to Sunday mailbag. Thought

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Speaker 1: i'd ask for an opinion before working a graduate job

1130
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: at a large finance tech firm in London for a

1131
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: few months after studying in the UK and a semester

1132
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: at UC Berkeley. The money's not bad, but you guys

1133
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: are getting paid double, maybe even triple what we are

1134
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: in those roles. I think he means in the States,

1135
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: it's made me want to move to the state's asap.

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01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: I thought it asked for cities you'd recommend for someone

1137
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: looking to move to the States and never come back

1138
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: as a Bills fan. I've loved Buffalo every time i've been,

1139
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: but you know, not much going on there economically. One

1140
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: stipulation is that there must be good golf courses nearby.

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01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: We'll be interested to hear your thoughts. Well, I'm a

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01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: West Coast guy, so I lean. You know, I would

1143
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: lean Vegas or Scottsdale. You know, you could probably make

1144
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: more money in one of the California if what you

1145
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: do in La or San Francisco, but the price to

1146
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: live there is astronomical. So the prices in Vegas or

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01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: Scottsdale a lot of golf as well, pretty hot. You know.

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01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: If you wanted to stay on the Eastern seaboard, which

1149
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: is probably your move, I would sniff around Florida. I

1150
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,959
Speaker 1: think you could go Jacksonville, Florida. I think you could

1151
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:59,959
Speaker 1: go Carolina, the Charlotte area. I think it's a booming area.

1152
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: A lot of golf over there, So you could go southern.

1153
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: You know, Miami is really expensive for Lauderdale, Jupiter, you know, Orlando,

1154
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,439
Speaker 1: you know place I think relatively inexpensive, could be wrong.

1155
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: Never been read a lot about it. No, there's a

1156
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: lot of golf there, so you could you could kind

1157
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: of piggyback Florida. I think Charlotte would definitely be on

1158
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: my radar. Any other place in the South, shit, I mean,

1159
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: Nashville is now pretty expensive, you know, decent amount of

1160
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: golf in my experience. Maybe there's more than I realize,

1161
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: but I think if you're headed west, i'd go a

1162
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: z or Vegas. If you're gonna stay east, you know,

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01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: I think Jacksonville, Orlando, Charlotte. I think those areas are

1164
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 1: kind of growing. If you got a little coin, you

1165
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: wanted to, you know, mix up. Nashville not a bad place,

1166
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: but Nashville is not for everybody. Northeast too cold for me.

1167
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: And like you said, you know, golf weather, Phillies got

1168
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: pretty good golf Phillies. I enjoyed my time phill I

1169
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: really did when I moved there. Again, probably not, but

1170
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: I did understand when I was there, like I get it,

1171
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: and I went out a lot. I had a buddies,

1172
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: you know, we had a younger staff, so we were

1173
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: hanging out a lot, had a good time. I mean,

1174
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: I think Philly is probably one of the more underrated

1175
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: cities in America, you know, because everyone in the Northeast

1176
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: is always blowing. Obviously New York, you know, even Boston,

1177
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: d C. D C is cool. I mean d C

1178
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: it was cooler. Probably I remember going around like ten

1179
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: years ago. Now, I don't think I could take the

1180
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: place seriously, just in general. I was thinking this the

1181
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,479
Speaker 1: other day, like Georgia declined to go to the White

1182
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 1: House when I was a kid, and for a long

1183
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: period of time, like the White House visit really meant

1184
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: a lot. Does anyone care anymore? Like, shouldn't I was

1185
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: thinking about this, shouldn't a team that wins go meet

1186
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: like the CEO of one of the top companies. Wouldn't

1187
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: you get more out of that? Like as a player,

1188
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: most of these guys are going to go into like

1189
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: normal jobs. Wouldn't that be cooler than like going to

1190
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: the White House? Because it's just so polarizing now. It's

1191
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: just they're either kind of call you a hater or

1192
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 1: it's like, wouldn't you be better off I don't know,

1193
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: going to Apple's campus, you know, meeting Elon at Tesla,

1194
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: We're doing something like that. When you get more out

1195
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: of that than you do the White House visit that

1196
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: no one really wants any part of anymore. And it's

1197
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: not even just you know, these last couple of years

1198
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: been for whatever, the last six seven years, it kind

1199
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: of feels like the whole thing has just kind of

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01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: become toxic, and why don't we mix it up? Why

1201
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: don't we throw a curveball. It's like, where are we

1202
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: taking the Ohio State football team? Oh, we're gonna take him.

1203
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: We're Tim Cook's gonna take us around. We're gonna see

1204
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: apples campus. You know, Elon's gonna show us space X.

1205
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: That's what I'd want to do, but hell, maybe I'm crazy.

1206
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: Appreciate James on the video, my guy Holes on the audio,

1207
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: and uh, let's have a week people, I got I

1208
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: got some pretty sweet golf that's coming up. So listen

1209
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: to the GOLO podcast. One quick thing. Actually, someone asked me,

1210
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 1: I don't think I saw the DM, but I saw

1211
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: it within the last couple of weeks. About how team

1212
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: or how scouts when they go to a program, like

1213
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: if the if the college teams knows you're coming, there's

1214
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: a pro liaison at every school. So as a scout,

1215
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: usually you know, it changes school to school. Some teams

1216
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: you can just show up, but a lot of schools

1217
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: you let them know you're going to be in the office,

1218
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: right so you can set up a time to talk

1219
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: to people. So you have to. You know, it's like

1220
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: any job. Do some shoot a couple of emails. You know,

1221
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: once you've done it for a year or two, you

1222
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: know all the people and let them know you're coming by,

1223
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: and you know, there's usually a pro liaison. He's like

1224
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: a lot of times he's the GM or the pro

1225
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: personnel guy on the college staff, sometimes as a coach,

1226
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: but not as much anymore. If you want to talk

1227
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 1: to the coordinators, if you want to talk to the

1228
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: position coaches, you usually have to reach out to them

1229
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: individually and saying with the academic people, the training people,

1230
01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: and you just kind of set it up on your own,

1231
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: and then you kind of kind of for a lot

1232
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: of the big stuff go around as a group, and

1233
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: then individually you kind of break off and talk to

1234
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: people you know in a one on one setting. So

1235
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: it's like it's probably like a lot of jobs, right

1236
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: if you're going, If you're a medical sales guy, I'm

1237
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: sure you reach out to some of the doctors or

1238
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: whoever so they know you're coming so you can get

1239
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: a meeting. Kind of the same concept. Audios the volume