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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: We've got a fascinating program for you. Thomas Jane with us.

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Speaker 2: Great actor. A few of his films include The Mist,

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Speaker 2: Deep Blue, c The Punisher. I loved him in a

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Speaker 2: TV movie called sixty one. I'll tell you about that

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Speaker 2: in a second. He's been a director, producer. Thomas Jane

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Speaker 2: has been nin Tindeltown for over twenty five years. He

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Speaker 2: is a triple Golden Globe nominee one Critical acclaim for

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Speaker 2: his role as the New York Yankee baseball legend Mickey

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Speaker 2: Mannal in that movie sixty one. And we're here to

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Speaker 2: talk about UFOs tonight. I'm Coast to Coast Thomas. Welcome.

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Speaker 2: It's a pleasure to have you on the show.

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Speaker 3: Honor to be here. George. I'm a long time listener,

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Speaker 3: the first time caller.

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Speaker 2: I just missed you at Contact in the Desert a

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Speaker 2: couple months ago.

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Speaker 3: That was a blast. It's my second time going and

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Speaker 3: I got to tell you the field is changing fast.

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Speaker 3: They great minds. We were getting involved in this, uh

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Speaker 3: this endeavor which is you know, less crazy by the

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Speaker 3: by the minute.

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Speaker 2: And Thomas, I want to talk a little bit about

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Speaker 2: your career. How did you get involved in listening in

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Speaker 3: How do I get involved with the UFOs?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how'd that happen?

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, yeah, it's I'm I'm kind of as astonished

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Speaker 3: as as you sound when you asked me that question.

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Speaker 3: I uh, I just got to be honest. I had

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Speaker 3: I had an experience. I had an experience about fifteen

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Speaker 3: years ago, twenty and eleven, and it threw me for

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Speaker 3: a look. Like millions of people, I have discovered that

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Speaker 3: I'm not alone in this thing, but it just sent

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Speaker 3: me down a rabbit hole. You know. I had an

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Speaker 3: encounter with what we can only describe as some sort

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Speaker 3: of non human inteligence. Okay, blew up my life. I

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Speaker 3: haven't talked about it. I don't like talking about it,

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Speaker 3: but I am finishing a book on it. And I'm

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Speaker 3: reflected in the last fifteen years sort of since my

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Speaker 3: encounter happened in my house, in my home that completely

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Speaker 3: threw me for a loop that I never saw coming.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I was an artist. I left home

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Speaker 3: at the age of sixteen. I moved out to you know,

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Speaker 3: I turned seventeen in India, where I made a film

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Speaker 3: in Bollywood. I turned eighteen in San Francisco. I went

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Speaker 3: to acting school and did some street theater. I turned

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Speaker 3: what I love to do. I got married, I had

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Speaker 3: The best friends and she's gone on to have her

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Speaker 3: own career as an actor, and I could not be

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Speaker 3: more proud of her. And I talked to her about everything.

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Speaker 3: You know, We've got one of those relationships, which I'm

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Speaker 3: grateful for. But the one thing that I have not

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Speaker 3: really spoken to her about except in the briefest of ways,

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Speaker 3: is this experience that sort of changed my life. She's

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Speaker 3: you know, I've come to realize that we are spiritual

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Speaker 3: beings having a biological experience. I didn't always think that

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Speaker 3: before twenty eleven, certain, but I was shown that that

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Speaker 3: in our own way, this sort of journey towards some

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Speaker 3: be sharing the journey with our fellow man, so that

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Speaker 3: the people who are just ahead of us and people

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Speaker 3: of beacon, some sort of way forward. You know. The

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Speaker 3: them and to shine them as best as we can,

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Speaker 3: you know, and sometimes we get let down, let down

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Speaker 3: some dark and lonely paths. But if it keeps seekings

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Speaker 3: give you have an affinity for the truth in your heart,

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Speaker 3: and you will find that truth in the world. You've

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Speaker 3: got no answers for anybody but me, But I've learned

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Speaker 3: that the search for non human intelligence and what that

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Speaker 2: And that book that you're working on, is that the

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Speaker 2: one called A Humans Guide to Visiting Aliens?

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Speaker 3: That's right, yes, it is.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll have to get your back when the book

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Speaker 3: I A. And then up now I'm excited about it.

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Speaker 3: You know, finishing the book is no mean feet.

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Speaker 2: Then what was that big moment in your career Thomas,

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Speaker 3: Well, that moment that I made it? I uh, I've

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Speaker 2: That's do you know John Hamm, by any chance.

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Speaker 3: M wonderful actor, wonderful actor. You know they actually offered

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Speaker 3: me that show mad Men.

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Speaker 2: He waited on tables in Saint Louis before he decided

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Speaker 2: to make it big, and look what happened with him.

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Speaker 3: That's right, an actor out on loan is you know.

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Speaker 3: Jim Morrison used to say.

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Speaker 2: You used to sleep in your car. That's how determined

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Speaker 3: You're right about that. Yes I did, Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: I did odd jobs, you know. The only real difference.

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Speaker 3: I went to a lot of acting schools. I was

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Speaker 3: determined to get the skills that I needed to do

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Speaker 3: like you know, I do books and I'm also studying

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Speaker 3: have a plan B, George, and that's kind of it's

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Speaker 2: The road not taking Thomas, and you did it. My friend.

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Speaker 3: M very grateful. I'm very grateful to to do something

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Speaker 2: And how deeply are you involved now in the UFO possibility?

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Speaker 3: I would say that I'm just about as deep as

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Speaker 3: It is something that kind of takes over, uh and

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Speaker 3: kind of the cranks and the weirdos. As Stephen Hawking said,

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Speaker 3: and they're they're more willing to talk about it, the

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Speaker 3: raise the red flag. You know. But but the mainstream

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Speaker 3: as this becomes gentrified, it will become uphology will be renamed,

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Speaker 3: UAP or extrasensory perception psionics. That's a new name. I

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Speaker 3: think euthology will also be renamed and gentrified to the comedy.

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Speaker 3: The academics and the scientists, and then the corporations, well.

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Speaker 2: The interest is amazing, Thomas indicative. With just the crowd

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Speaker 2: I mean it was huge.

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Speaker 3: Huge, and completely. You know, we've opened the doors to

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Speaker 3: need scholars, we need academics, we need our best minds

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Speaker 3: working on this. And the mission now is to open

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Speaker 3: those doors wider as wide as we can will allow

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Speaker 3: to give permission to the you know, to the pencil

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Speaker 3: they can see what they can learn and discover and

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Speaker 3: find that out and share with us.

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Speaker 2: You look at a lot of the work of the

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Speaker 2: expert researcher Jacques Vallet. Tell us about what you say

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Speaker 2: alien control systems might be.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I've become interested in uh in these in

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Speaker 3: what Vallet said is is an alien control system? Yeah.

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Speaker 3: bit about Jaques Valley. He was a UFO researcher.

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Speaker 3: He's just he was. He is a systems feerist, a

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Speaker 3: computer scientist, a philosopher, and back in the seventies Valets

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Speaker 3: suggested that UFO events are part of a system subtly

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Speaker 3: our beliefs. Called it a control system, you know, being

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Speaker 3: his analogy was the thermostat automated system regulates uh, right,

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Speaker 3: That this UFOs were regulating our human bold systems and

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Speaker 2: This dramatic, Thomas, it really is. Vala was one of

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Speaker 3: you know, and he took a lot of flag Ford.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I am starting to come around if

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Speaker 3: it opens up dimensions of doors, the doors of perception,

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Speaker 2: I'm still puzzled by the nineteen forty seven Rush crash.

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Speaker 3: they were just the last you know, through four years

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Speaker 3: that maybe aliens don't crash their drones, do their control

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Speaker 3: system they know, breakdown. And I would say that with

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Speaker 3: all the crashes, and if you go to Stringfield studied,

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Speaker 3: you know, I think he cataloged about one hundred and

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Speaker 3: nineteen UFO crash retrievals right, one of them Ryan Wood

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Speaker 3: with magic guys only they cataloged about one hundred and four.

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Speaker 3: You know, Michael Schratt who's sort of the UFO crash

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Speaker 3: retrieval expert today, he said that there's a lot of overlap,

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Speaker 3: but at least seventy five are unique crash retrievals, and

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Speaker 3: that's a lot of crashes. That's a lot of crashes.

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Speaker 3: But in all those, to my knowledge, I have not

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Speaker 3: heard of a single crane Lincus or a Reptilian or

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Speaker 3: the Nordics involved in one of those crashes. But what

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Speaker 3: we do get is is what David Grush called biologics.

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Speaker 3: You know, these little guys who we were in the

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Speaker 3: Roswell crash who Corso Corso said, we're Colonel Corso said

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Speaker 3: we're drones. He said they were identical, they were sexless,

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Speaker 3: and they they were relic just like drones. And in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, uh, we had that that, which personally

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Speaker 3: I find really interesting. The guy came out on Reddit,

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Speaker 3: the microbiologists, who said that he studied the alien genetics

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Speaker 3: from what you could call legacy crashes or you know,

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Speaker 3: bodies that have been in the freezer for a few decades,

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Speaker 3: and they had the technology of the two thousands, after

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Speaker 3: they had created the Munian Genome project, they finally sequenced

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Speaker 3: human genome. And he said that when they were studying

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Speaker 3: the genes of these uh, these little guys, they were

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Speaker 3: created using human and animal genes from Earth. And that

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Speaker 3: tells me that they are biologics. They're drones, They are

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Speaker 3: this this sort of network it's been sort of set up.

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Speaker 2: You think, do you think the beings themselves are robotic?

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Speaker 3: I think that those beings are biological androids. You know

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Speaker 3: that that's what they appear to be, and they appear

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Speaker 3: to be created right here on Earth. So those are

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Speaker 3: the maybe are the guys that crash, not the aliens themselves,

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Speaker 3: because you know, the only crash I can think of,

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Speaker 3: this very deeply. Only very many people have. But the

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Speaker 3: rumor is maybe that that's somebody says that maybe it's

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Speaker 3: Kannate who studied the Tellian who study this stuff, said

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Speaker 3: that they may have been wordics, But I don't know

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Speaker 3: about that, and that would be the only crash out

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Speaker 3: of you know, seventy five that we've got many reports

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Speaker 3: that there may have been. Uh what Eric Davis said

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Speaker 3: recently were the four sort of name species that appeared

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Speaker 3: to be involved, you know, permanently sort of installed around

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Speaker 3: our planet, you know as the graves praying manas, and

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Speaker 3: then the human esque human es I call them human

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Speaker 3: s or you know they look like Calvin Crime models.

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Speaker 3: There they're human if you walk down the street, you never.

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Speaker 2: Can Thomas, how much of the knowledge do you think

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Speaker 2: of and know? And they're just not telling us.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean to cut to the chase. I think

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Speaker 3: that they they I suspect and Vallet suspected the same

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Speaker 3: it was writing in the seventies. I'm not sure it

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Speaker 3: has changed that a team, but that they know much

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Speaker 3: less than we would and they would like us to believe.

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