1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Why don't you sit there? You're gonna sit there? 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 2: You want me here, Well, you told me sit here. 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: We'll do Don, Matt, my Mom will do, Vicky, Judy, Kelly. 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: I'll sit across from Don and Jeff here. 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 2: All right, that work? 6 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: I got Kioty. I'll bring a bottle of out beck. 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: I was thinking about a little something I wanted to say. 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: Everybody here knows that I went through an unfortunate situation 9 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: back in twenty twelve, mistake something I chose to do. 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: But everybody that's here helped me get through it. And 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: I know there's a lot going on everybody's lives. 12 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 2: Right. 13 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: It'll be a grandmother tomorrow again. But just so you 14 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: guys know, I know it takes a lot of time 15 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 1: and effort to get up here, and I appreciate everybody 16 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: being here for me. I appreciate Rob. I send you 17 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: a bill, Yeah, I'll rip it up and throw in 18 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: a dumpstairs. But I do appreciate everybody being here today. 19 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: It does mean a lot to me. You know, we 20 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: had a long week. My mom, Don Rob came to 21 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: the city and they opened up. They told some stories, 22 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: and we wanted to finalize the week here with the 23 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: dinner and the people that, quite honestly, I care the 24 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: most about, and I really want to thank all of 25 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: you for being here. We'll eat some food and let's 26 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: have some fun. 27 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 3: From iHeartRadio and Doghouse Pictures. This is Shock Incarceration. I'm 28 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 3: Jeff Keating. We thought it would be a great idea 29 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 3: to gather Mark's family and two of his best friends, 30 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 3: Rob Caniebel and Matt Woods at their successful restaurant that 31 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,919 Speaker 3: Mark and Rob own in Florida, New York, to enjoy 32 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 3: an Italian dinner together. Between selections of fried calamari and 33 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: chicken parmesan, red wine flowed from bottle to glass, and 34 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: everyone got a chance to reflect and share their recollections 35 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 3: of Mark's journey. I appreciate everybody being so polite and 36 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 3: waiting your turn, and sometimes that'll happen. 37 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 4: But I know I've been to Italian. 38 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 5: Family dinners before, So please talk over each other, or interrupt, 39 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 5: or do whatever it is you normally do, or fight 40 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 5: or be kind to one novel. 41 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 3: So, as with any reunion, stories from the past will 42 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 3: be retold, as if for the very first time. Mark's 43 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: childhood pal Matt Woods recalls the trouble he and the 44 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 3: Lombardo boys would get into when they grew up together 45 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 3: in Oakland, New Jersey. 46 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 6: And I think we had a I got wingador all 47 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 6: like a shot book. 48 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: And this was in the evening. 49 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 7: And I don't know if you were home. 50 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 6: And we does or are launching these things at houses? 51 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think we used to be yours and we. 52 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 4: Grab yeah it was mine. 53 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then now I. 54 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 7: Think we hit something. 55 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: It was a window, Cramer's house or house. 56 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 4: They're like, oh, ship, how far would it go? 57 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: Was going pretty far? I mean in the field, not 58 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: quite but close. I mean to know better, how far 59 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: would it go? That would go more than a football field? Okay? 60 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, you hold it like eighty miles an hour? Yeah, 61 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: lean back, So were you a holder or did you 62 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: load it? 63 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 4: Okay, you did something. 64 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: It's definitely there. 65 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, heard something. 66 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 7: Here's some rustling, like something's pissed off. 67 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 4: It's like shit, let's. 68 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 7: Go in the house, shut the lights off. 69 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 6: And then he's like, you know what, I grab some 70 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 6: orange juice and throw it on the house. 71 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 7: That make it seem like someone hit us, right, turn off? 72 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely all right? 73 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 7: What's going on? 74 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 8: Over? 75 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: The cops? 76 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: Now they got that they hit the house that's got 77 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: orange peels coming down there, dutters, But it was genius. 78 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 7: I'm like, that's a great idea. In eighth grade seven, 79 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 7: I'm like, I don't know if they bought it. 80 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,119 Speaker 1: I came out. I was like, look, they got us too. 81 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 3: In the enthusiasm of telling this story, Mark accidentally knocks 82 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 3: over a glass of wine into his sister Vicky's lap. 83 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I just trashed your dress. Oh my god. 84 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 1: All right, that's it. 85 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 9: That's all right, ship, that's all right, that's all right. 86 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 9: Let me just back it up. 87 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 7: Oh my god, that's right. 88 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 8: Let me just I'll just go on a lot of. 89 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 10: That. 90 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: With Vicky now rejoining the dinner, Mark's sister, Judy, recalls 91 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 3: her memories of Mark's arrest and the events that followed. 92 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 11: When we talk about the whole background and what happened, 93 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 11: I just feel like it was a poor decision because 94 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 11: you can talk to all of us and get gather 95 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 11: as much information, and it just was like everybody loved him, 96 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 11: great life, great uppring and everything. And then you know 97 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 11: what you're you're trying to to accomplish one goal, and 98 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 11: you make a decision that you think is going to 99 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,559 Speaker 11: get you there, and now you took a hard left 100 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 11: that's changing your life forever. 101 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 9: It was earth shattering for all of us. Really, it 102 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 9: was big. 103 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 5: Tell me about the first time you hear that markets busted. 104 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 9: I was at my house in Ramsey. 105 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 11: He came to us, and I'm not even sure how 106 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 11: much of the family. 107 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 9: Knew yet. 108 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 11: So he came to me and my husband Peter and 109 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 11: told us what had happened, and you know, we totally 110 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 11: understood what had happened with him. And he was so frightened, 111 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 11: so distraught, and had even said they've offered me plea deals. 112 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 11: But the type of things they asked me, they asked me, 113 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 11: where's the heroin coming from? 114 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 9: And he was like, I don't even know what heroin 115 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 9: looks like. 116 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 11: If somebody was trying to sell me heroin, I don't 117 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 11: know what it looks like. They're trying to offer him 118 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 11: a plea deal, Like, tell us about this, Like, I 119 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 11: can't tell you about it. I don't even know what 120 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 11: it looks like. What about guns? Where are guns coming 121 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 11: in from? He's like, guns, I know nothing about guns. 122 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 11: It was a genuine case of an opportunity that someone 123 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 11: offered him. To this day, I don't know who said 124 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 11: to you do this, go sell this, It'll work out. 125 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 11: He did that totally unknowingly became part of what was 126 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 11: a much larger Yeah, my husband and I were both, 127 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 11: of course, just shocked, and he's just trying to talk through, 128 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 11: like what should I do. At one point you even 129 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 11: said to us, should I try and leave? And Peter 130 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 11: and I were both like, you can't, Like, well, you 131 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 11: won't be able to you will never be able to 132 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 11: connect with any of us ever. Again, that's just how 133 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 11: desperate and frantic you could not believe the situation you 134 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 11: had ended up in. You know, like, that's how much 135 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 11: you didn't when you took that risk. That's how much 136 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 11: you didn't really weigh the risk of what it was. 137 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 11: So you were like should I do this? Should I 138 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 11: do that? 139 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: And I went to Peter for a lot of advice 140 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: over the years, you know, multiple situations. He was a 141 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: fantastic he was, he was a brilliant man. He was 142 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: he was very smart. You met him, I obviously respected 143 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: and valued his opinion. 144 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 9: But yeah, and the bottom line was that broke our heart. 145 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 8: Spoke. 146 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 11: The only thing you can do right now is fat 147 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 11: the music. Yeah, that's exactly, and we'll get you through it. 148 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 11: Everyone will get you through it. That's all you can do. 149 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: It was the hardest fucking thing I think I ever 150 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: had to deal with, not only everybody, but of course 151 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: your mother. And I'm sorry for that. Mom, I'm so 152 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: sorry I had to put you through that because you 153 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: don't deserve it. You didn't deserve that. But that was tough. 154 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: That was very tough. So the hardest person was certainly 155 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: my mother for sure, and quite honestly, that right there, 156 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: what she said is what everybody here said. I did 157 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: know deep down inside that you know what, all right, 158 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: I have support, you know, face the music. We'll get 159 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: you through this. Whether it was my mother, you guys, Rob, 160 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: I mean, Matt and Don and anybody. If I called 161 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: anybody tomorrow and said hey, I need a favor, I'd 162 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: get it, and it wasn't a question. It would happen. 163 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: So I think after we did analyze the different options, 164 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: you know, San Diego wasn't that great. 165 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 12: You know. 166 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 3: Matt Woods, who was Mark's roommate when everything went Downhill, 167 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 3: shares a story about a weird phone call that he 168 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 3: got from one of Mark's bar buddies. 169 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 4: Where were you when you heard the news. So you 170 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 4: get a call from a friend, just. 171 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 7: Marking one of his friends, what's his name. 172 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 3: According to Mark's recollection, Billy got arrested and didn't tell Mark. 173 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 3: With the way things went down, Mark suspected that Billy 174 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 3: had bark delivered the ounce of cocaine to the undercover 175 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 3: Dah and J and that was the night he got busted. 176 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 3: Mark never told his family what really happened, and so 177 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 3: it was like they were hearing it for the first 178 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 3: time at this dinner Billy. 179 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 6: And he called me, which he's never has and he 180 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 6: was like, God, did. 181 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: You hear it? 182 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 13: All? 183 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 14: Him? 184 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: Like hear what? He turned Mark in? 185 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 7: There was some nice said, there was some bust. There's 186 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 7: something happened last night. 187 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: That's a guilty man right there. 188 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 6: Like he's never called me before. I was like, oh, 189 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 6: I was a concerned friend. I have no idea what 190 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 6: And then I know, like it was the night before, 191 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 6: two nights before. Mark got a couple people over and 192 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 6: there were hawk in the dining room. I'm watching TV 193 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 6: oblivious to what's going on, Like I don't even know 194 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 6: their names. 195 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: Do you remember the names it was over? 196 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 7: Do you remember that night? 197 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 4: A couple of nights, maybe before before you go into. 198 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 7: I got yeah, or before everything was going down. 199 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: Was Billy There was probably Billy, he was there, Billy 200 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: probably Greg. 201 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 4: Would he have met j Steve? Billy J was mad 202 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 4: have met Ja or Amen? 203 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: Jay? 204 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever met I was gonna 205 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: ask are these your friends? Or were these people Bills 206 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: Steve Greg? These are people from him three ball. 207 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 3: And that we hung out on consistent basic Jaz undercover cop. 208 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 15: Just to let everybody know that basically was involved with 209 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 15: the sting and stuff they came to kind of one 210 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 15: time and basically was as part of this thing trying 211 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 15: to befriend Mark and you know. 212 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 9: Yeah, I never knew that. 213 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: I never knew that that was anything came down. 214 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 4: How long is he hanging out? 215 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 7: How long was he hanging out with you? 216 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 4: For probably a few months, a couple of months. 217 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: It really wasn't a long time. No, No, it was 218 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: a short time. Short time. There was at least two 219 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: months though he was showing up at the bar, showing 220 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: up at the bar. He came in, you know one 221 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: day and was watching us play. Well, this is a 222 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: religious Thursday three ball. You know, you did your thing 223 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: and you did your thing and he you know, got 224 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: into the scene and obviously knew him no ever. And 225 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: that's what we talked about. It said, what a fun 226 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: That's a red flag right there. I've never seen the. 227 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 3: Guy, Marcus already said, and he's asked me for an 228 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 3: own so many times. 229 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: Red flag, you would think, But there was You're not 230 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: you're partying, you're messing around, you're greedy, you're looking for money. Yeah, 231 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: no problem, I'll get you. Yeah, sure, whatever you want, 232 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: no problem. 233 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 3: Before Mark got into shock incarceration, his health was really struggling. 234 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 3: He remembers one bizarre night where they actually took him 235 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 3: out of the shock facility for some testing and the 236 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 3: hopes that he would be able to maintain his place 237 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: in the program. 238 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 4: Here's Judy. 239 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 11: The other thing I remember about Shock that was like 240 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 11: that we were all very much hoping that they would 241 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 11: accept you into the shock program, because wasn't it a 242 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 11: situation where it was designed more for very young kids, 243 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 11: you know, like younger than your age group, So you 244 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 11: weren't sure if they were even going. 245 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: To allow you to do this shock for forty year. 246 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: It was the diabetes on the top of it, sleep 247 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: afte was my biggest story. 248 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 4: You guys ever heard this? 249 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: I want to kill you in that placed well in jail, 250 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 2: but you one of the best. 251 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 3: Did you know that he went away for a sleep 252 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 3: apne test during shock. 253 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: Before I went into the full blown program. Yeah. 254 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 10: Yeah. 255 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 1: They had to send me to a sleep afien and 256 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: I told you have this story. I said, it was unbelievable. 257 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 1: I'm like here, I am like a handcuffed in by 258 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: two correctional officers into this sleep study. You walk into 259 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: the door. It's like a doctor's office, like a doctor 260 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: walking is an eighty year old elder, you know, esther 261 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: sitting over here in a ninety year old Henry and 262 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: they're waiting to get called in here. I come in 263 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: State Green, twelve A four nine oh six. I'm a 264 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: state number. I mean, that's all I am. And you 265 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't number twelve A four nine six. I'll never forget that. 266 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 4: Every time that's twelve four got a more tattoo more. Yeah, yeah, 267 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 4: I heard that story. 268 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: He didn't show me. And he's good. 269 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: Because he drew. 270 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 2: I know he did. 271 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: I told him cover. 272 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 2: I didn't. 273 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: I told him that story, but I will tell you 274 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: though it was it was a horrible feeling walking into 275 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 1: that sleep study, and just the way I remember the 276 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: way these people looked at you. They knew, My god, 277 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: this prisoner, I don't know. I could be rapist, a murderer, 278 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, whatever the case you may. And what did 279 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: I tell you? That was the best fucking night of 280 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: sleep I had in prison. I had my own king bed, 281 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: I had a flat screat oxygen, I had my own bathroom. Fantastic, 282 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god, honest sleep right here, Okay, no, honestly, 283 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: it was the best night of sleep I had in 284 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: the year. It was unbelievable, and I got to listen 285 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: to music for the first time in a long time, 286 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: you know. 287 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 3: On the ride there and back, all of the guests 288 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 3: at the family dinner recalled what it was like visiting 289 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 3: Mark while he was in the Lakeview Shock Incarceration Facility 290 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 3: in Brockton, New York. 291 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 4: When was the first time that you visited him? 292 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 7: That a couple times? Then you went to what state 293 00:14:58,440 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 7: or county? 294 00:14:59,000 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: State? 295 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: And then shot, yeah, county, very. 296 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 7: Sterile, like no color, like a cafeteria style. I remember, 297 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 7: like you couldn't touch, I was, couldn't embrace, Yeah, no hugging. 298 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 4: That your first time visiting someone in prison. 299 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the way. 300 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: You know, criminal. 301 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 11: But I think that speaks to the fact of who 302 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 11: Mark is and where he grew up and everything about him. 303 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 9: Like for all of us, and this is an experience, 304 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 9: was that, you know, that was the. 305 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 6: First for you know, You're looking around and it's different 306 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 6: people and there's kids seeing their parents. 307 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 7: And you're like, what that world? 308 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 8: That really got me? Yeah? 309 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 7: Yeah, oh and then I'm thinking, all right for this 310 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 7: And it was two hours or whatever it was. 311 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 6: It wasn't like ten minutes. It was an extended time 312 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 6: you can can meet. I remember thaying, get like, all right, 313 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 6: let's just I mean, obviously, here's the obvious. Let's not 314 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 6: dwell on this. Let's just talk like we're hanging out 315 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 6: at the bar or something hard to do. But that 316 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 6: was kind of my mindset, you know, for those ninety 317 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 6: minutes or wherever. It was like, let's try to take 318 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 6: you away from this. In the back of my mind, 319 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 6: I'm knowing you're. 320 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: Going back to that. 321 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 14: Well that's what that's what we did. That's what we 322 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 14: did out of shock. You just try to have him, 323 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 14: you know, we didn't. All we wanted to do was 324 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 14: talk to you. All we wanted to do was just 325 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 14: go there see you for an afternoon. 326 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 3: And everyone remembered what Mark wanted to eat as his 327 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 3: first meal when he graduated from shock. 328 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 12: When he got out, you wanted the biggest hamburger you 329 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 12: get out a milkshit. 330 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: Love hamburgers. Every time we got a jail, you loved hamburgers. 331 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 4: And before going to jail, Ye, how. 332 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: Much did you weigh when you left one f Oh. 333 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 9: My god, yeah, I remember Casey and I driving up 334 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 9: to see you. 335 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: I showed I showed Jeff my IDs I had one 336 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: going in and going out. I showed him the picture 337 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: of the platoon. I mean, yes, you can believe press. 338 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: You couldn't believe it. I was too a weight. I 339 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: went in, I came out at one to fifty one. 340 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 3: As the dinner was concluding, we ended with two rounds 341 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 3: of questions from everyone about hope and pride. 342 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 4: So, first of all, you guys have extended your time. 343 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 4: I appreciate this. 344 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 5: Let me just wrap up with like one final question 345 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 5: that you can sit on for a second, you can 346 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 5: pass it whatever, But what's your hope for Dave and Mark? 347 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 2: Don? 348 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 4: What's your hope for your brothers. 349 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 14: I don't want anything bad to happen to him. A 350 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 14: long time ago, I should have talked to him. I 351 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 14: know it might not have made a difference, but I 352 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 14: should have talked to them, both of you. 353 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 4: I should have. 354 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 14: I should have said something to him. I should have 355 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 14: opened up a conversation and made him understand exactly what 356 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 14: the hell he was doing to everybody and what was 357 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 14: what he was potentially going to do and then did. 358 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 14: And that just makes me crazy. 359 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 4: But I want. 360 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 9: I made a difference, I just. 361 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 2: Know, but it just makes me. 362 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 4: It constantly makes me crazy. Person exactly. 363 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 2: You know, I'm saying, you don't want to lose his house. 364 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: That's what's the problem with the family. 365 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 14: I want things to be all right eventually, all right, Mark, 366 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 14: I know I want things to be all right. I 367 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 14: tweeted both of you and for every for everybody before 368 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 14: you get there. I I think something has to happen, 369 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 14: like what he's talking about. I think something has something 370 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 14: drastic has to happen. I know it's going to be 371 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 14: really difficult for him. I hope something like that happens 372 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 14: to ultimately straighten out his life. 373 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 4: And I guess. 374 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 14: His life for like his relationship, our relationship with Dave. 375 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 4: What about you, Matt, What do you hope for them? 376 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,479 Speaker 6: I mean some sort of peace, I guess, like speak 377 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 6: your mind to it. You know, I'm not gonna say confrontation, 378 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 6: but like, speak your peace, make you feel better, Listen, 379 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 6: I don't like confrontation anither irish cat like, we kind 380 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 6: of suppress our feelings, so it's easier said. 381 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 7: Than done, but it is let them know how you feel. 382 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 7: Like what Donal was saying, it's almost like he gets. 383 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 6: Away with things like why does everyone else suffer but 384 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 6: they reap their rewards? It just doesn't see riots mare 385 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 6: true to throw it out there, he needs to hear it. 386 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 4: What about you, Linda? 387 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: Thanks man. 388 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 8: I've said just about everything I could possibly think. Being 389 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 8: the mother is tough. I'm in the middle of everybody. 390 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 4: Of course. 391 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 8: I want nothing more than Dave to be able to 392 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 8: patch things up. 393 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 12: And get his life going in some kind of direction. 394 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 12: I mean when we go there, which is rarely for 395 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 12: one of the kid's birthdays or whatever, and it's like 396 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 12: there's just not that closeness, you know, and it just 397 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 12: breaks my heart, you know, because we're not like we were. 398 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 12: And I've said so many times to him, you know 399 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 12: how I felt exactly how I felt that I was 400 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 12: totally just draw with how he's handling everything, you know, 401 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 12: And I said to him, I said, you're taking advantage 402 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 12: of me because I'm your mother. 403 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 4: What about you, VICKI, what's your hope? 404 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 10: M I don't know what my hope is, but I 405 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 10: think he should be accountable. Like I don't think that 406 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 10: he should be able to take the money that he 407 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 10: took from my dad and Linda and not have to 408 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 10: at least make some sort of monthly payment to his mother, 409 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 10: like no matter, even if it's just a small amount 410 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 10: every month, but like make. 411 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 8: Make something like make a. 412 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 10: Guess ever, make an attempt to like pay back and 413 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 10: say like thank you for me not going to jail 414 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 10: like my brother did. 415 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. 416 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 10: I just he doesn't feel any remorse, or he doesn't 417 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 10: feel that the money that he supposedly borrowed, but he 418 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 10: didn't borrow it, He took. 419 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: It from my father, and. 420 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 9: Like that just aggravates me. 421 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 10: It doesn't even. 422 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 8: Weigh on his mind. 423 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 4: What's your hope? 424 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 9: I mean, honestly, what. 425 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 11: I would probably like to see happen, But I'm not 426 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 11: going to be the one to initiate it. I feel 427 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 11: like none of us have ever, including Don saying that 428 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 11: he feels such remorse that he never went to Dave 429 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 11: and said like, this is wrong what you did. I 430 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 11: never did, I've never addressed it with him. I don't 431 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 11: think it's going to be possible that he's going to 432 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 11: make financial restitution the way he should. But I think 433 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 11: in terms of us as a family, and again I 434 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 11: don't picture it happening. I don't think any of us 435 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 11: really hesitant us anymore to call for it to happen. 436 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 11: But I think it would be nice for everyone to 437 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 11: be able to sit down with him and be like, 438 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 11: you know what, this really sucks, This really hurt, This 439 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 11: really hurt. What you did was extremely painful and continues 440 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 11: to be painful. And the ripple effects, the butterfly effect 441 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 11: of what you did. 442 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 3: Mark shared his final thoughts as the family expressed their 443 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 3: feelings towards him after this long journey. 444 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: Well, what we're going to try to do is ultimately 445 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: create a feel good story. 446 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 8: Right. 447 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: Ultimately, you have to hit rock bottom before you realize 448 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: where you can move. And the best thing about it is. 449 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 4: You can only go up. 450 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: This I had I hate to say this, but I'm 451 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: happy to say is this is the most time I've 452 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: ever sat with my mother and my sisters and my 453 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: brother at one table and probably the last five years. 454 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 14: It really is. 455 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: Is that a fact? That's a fact. And you know what, 456 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: I was sitting here as you're asking questions, Chef, and 457 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: you're going around, and I'm looking at Judy, I'm looking 458 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: at like my mom, looking on Jesus Christ. 459 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 4: We have been missing a while. 460 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: And you know what, it's a good feeling. Yeah, it's 461 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: a good fucking feeling. 462 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 4: It's very courageous. 463 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 5: I know it's hard, but just to be able to 464 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 5: open up about your feelings and to be able to 465 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 5: talk about family, but it could be cathartic and it 466 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 5: can also start to at least touch on some things 467 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 5: that you've been thinking about or feeling about for years 468 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 5: that are important to say. 469 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 4: So let's end on what are you most proud about about? Mark? 470 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 4: Oh boy? 471 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 8: Oh wow? 472 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: So to morrow out? 473 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 3: Yeah that's okay, Well good, Let's end on pride. 474 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 11: I've never wanted anything more than for you because I 475 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 11: knew that you always just like deserved the best and 476 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 11: deserved all the happiness, and you know it was not 477 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 11: a straight line for you for sure, and it's just 478 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 11: like you know, yeah, you know, like it's just I mean, 479 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 11: I'm proud of where he is today, and I'm proud 480 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 11: that he has all of these people that we are, 481 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 11: all that we're this is where we want to be 482 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 11: sitting by him, and and that he you know, he's 483 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 11: a he's a great brother. Some you know, like you 484 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 11: you've always given my dad a lot of credit for 485 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 11: being a great stepdad. 486 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 4: What about you, Vicky, what are you most proud of? 487 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 10: I'm thankful to Rob for getting him going, you know, like, and. 488 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 2: He did get me going. 489 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: He did that man right there, got me going. If 490 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't for him, I would not be sitting. 491 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 2: Here right now. We only need the kicking ass once 492 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 2: in a while. 493 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: The only thing is you got a lot of weight 494 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: behind that kick. 495 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 13: That's right, That's why you went straight in arrow. No, 496 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 13: I feel like not skinny like when he came out. 497 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 10: People not a lot of people would have done what 498 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 10: you did for him. 499 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 2: He's a good man, though, you know that's that's. 500 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 4: Kind of like he acted like a brother my father. 501 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: I look at his aid more than that, he's more 502 00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: than that. 503 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 4: What about you? Would you most proud of yourself? 504 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 8: Oh, I'll never get through it. No, I'm extremely proud. 505 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: That'll be season two. I'll say that for a season. 506 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 2: Dude. 507 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 4: What about you? What about your friends? 508 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 2: Oh? 509 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: Wow, Mom, did you want to say anything? 510 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 14: Or no? 511 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to put you in a spot, get it. 512 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: I don't want you to if you don't want. 513 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 5: To get talked a little bit about Yeah, okay, about you? 514 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 16: Man? 515 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 7: Obviously someone who's extremely loyal. I've known him probably. 516 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 4: Thirty five, forty years. 517 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: Forty we can go forty now, forty your long time, 518 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: forty years. 519 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 7: I mean not many people can say they've been friends 520 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 7: with someone for forty years. 521 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a long time. 522 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 7: You know, go home whenever I. 523 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: Want, got my back. 524 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 2: It's been there for me. I'm working. 525 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 7: You want lucky? 526 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 4: Thanks man? What about you done? What are you proud of? 527 00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 14: Well, I guess I'm proud of where you got of 528 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 14: all that. I mean, everybody set it around the table already. 529 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 14: But I mean I remember, uh seeing you for the 530 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 14: first time on Mom's bed when they brought you home 531 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 14: from the hospital, and like I can see the white, 532 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 14: like I can see the course looked like Winston Churchill. 533 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 14: I always knew that you were going to be some 534 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 14: kind of success. I didn't know what it was. I mean, 535 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 14: whether it was the way you played soccer and now. 536 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 4: I always knew that you'd get there. 537 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 14: And after all the ship that you've waded through over 538 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 14: this past decade, I think you did it the right way. 539 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 4: That's the most important part. You didn't. 540 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 14: You didn't screw up again. You just kept your nose 541 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 14: down and you did what you needed to do to 542 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 14: get to this point. 543 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 4: So good for you. What about you, Rob? What are 544 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 4: you proud of your boy? For? 545 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 2: Well? I would say. 546 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 13: That in life, whether whatever hardship comes in front of it, 547 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 13: nine to ten people fold and it can't make it through. 548 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 2: He made it through. He did. Too many people, would it. 549 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, if you don't mind, maybe on 550 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: a final note, I have to be honest and say that. 551 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: And we talked about this, but maybe I've talked about 552 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: it with you, mom. And the Shot program program was 553 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: the best thing that happened to me. And I was 554 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: lucky enough to be in this position where I could 555 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: be underage as a first time offender and qualified for 556 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: the Chalk program. I really from the bottom of my heart. 557 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: Thank you very much for everybody coming up and spending 558 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: some time here and to do this recording. It really 559 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: meant a lot to me. They really made me bring 560 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: out a lot of the things that I was telling 561 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,719 Speaker 1: you before that I may have forgotten about. These gentlemen 562 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: over here. They read every single letter and they were 563 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: questioned me on these things, and I'm like, oh shit, 564 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Oh yeah, let me tell you 565 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: the story. And it really brought me out, It really did, 566 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,239 Speaker 1: and it was something that I've always wanted to bring out. 567 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: I always wanted to just kind of open up. 568 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 2: With and share. 569 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: And I have to tell you, you guys were nothing 570 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: but accommodating, and it made me feel comfortable. You know, 571 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: damn well that I was a little hesitant when I 572 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: sat in there. I was a ow errand I got Jeff, 573 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: you made me feel very comfortable right from the get go, 574 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: and I thank you for everything that we've gone through 575 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: so far, and let's see where this goes. 576 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 16: Shock Incarceration is a joint production from iHeart Radio and 577 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 16: Doghouse Pictures, produced and hosted by Jeff Keating. Executive producers 578 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 16: are Mark Lombardo, Tommy James, Noel Brown and Jeff Keating. 579 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 16: Written by Jim Roberts, Tommy James, Chris Regazzo and Jeff Keating. 580 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 16: Story edited by Jim Roberts, Edit mix and sound design 581 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 16: by Lane Krauts from Herd's Creek Productions. Music composed by 582 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 16: Diamond Street Productions, accompanied by Tyler Greenwell, Danny Wattanas, Sean 583 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 16: Thompson and Spencer Garne. Special thanks to Trinity Investigative Group 584 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 16: and Mark Lombardo's family and friends who contributed to the podcast.