1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called 6 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super producer, 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson, and yes she does 8 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: require us to say the nickname in full most of 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: her Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and 10 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. 11 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: If you're listening to this On the day our episode publishes, 12 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: it is Thursday, which means this is our listener male segment. 13 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: For years and years, since back in the YouTube days, 14 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: we always said you, specifically, you are the most important 15 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: part of this show. And we're putting our money where 16 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: our collective figurative proverbial podcast mouth is any landing you 17 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: can walk away from. H We've got some good ones today, 18 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: some some pretty startling things, and we always know it's 19 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: a good one. Like I was looking back at some 20 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: of the prep we've done for this and I realized, 21 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: I realized that at least two of these are things 22 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: that we should have already done an episode on. So 23 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: thats a way of exploring these. I can go ahead 24 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: and kick us off if you all would like to 25 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: hear a tale of a very strange phenomenon most most definitely, 26 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: and I think I know what it is and it's 27 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: something that has fascinated I know us for a long time. Yeah, agreed. 28 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: So this this is actually a series of emails. It 29 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: comes from someone named Caesar. Caesar L. Caesar. You said, hello, guys, 30 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: big fan of the show, would love it if you 31 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: guys could discuss this strange and bizarre case of the 32 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: death of Jenny Saffin. I remember this being one of 33 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: the first stories of the strange and paranormal growing up 34 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: and reading about this in a paranormal and conspiracies book 35 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: when I was a kid at my public library. Spontaneous 36 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: human combustion, Yes, when a living person just explodes entirely. 37 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: It's an odd phenomenon. Signing off, thank you so much 38 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: for writing into the show, Caesar. I have to say, 39 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: just speaking for myself, I didn't believe we hadn't covered 40 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: this at first because there's so many episodes, and I 41 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: went back and I was like, but surely people are 42 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: catching on fire. Well yeah, no, I mean I didn't 43 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: realize that there was evidence of this being confirmed phenomenon. 44 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: I thought this was more of like a in the 45 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: realm of speculation and kind of fringe e stuff. But 46 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: this apparently is because coroner's ruling. Right, Well, yes, we're 47 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna get into kind of the history 48 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: of it and how we get to this story of 49 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 1: Janine Staffen. Right, Ben, what what are you thinking? Do 50 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: you want to start with Janine Staffin and then go backwards? Well, 51 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: let's start. Let's start with spontaneous human combustion. Then God 52 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: the genes happen, and then we'll talk about why this 53 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 1: remains such a God forgive me hot topic. Uh here 54 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: in so not the mall store, but if you work there, 55 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: I hope you're doing well. So spontaneous combustion, right, Spontaneous 56 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: human combustion is just a creepy, controversial proposed form of 57 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: something that's very real. Spontaneous combustion when any object, due 58 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: to some sort of chemical reaction, burst into flames without 59 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: without being visibly ignited by an external heats worse. Right, 60 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: you you hear about these kinds of disasters happening all 61 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: the time on very small levels of very large levels. 62 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: The idea of this happening to living human beings, spontaneous 63 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: human combustion is generally meant to describe living human beings 64 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: catching on fire. Uh. You find the first descriptions of 65 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: this date all the way back to sixteen sixty three 66 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: a Danish anatomist named Thomas Bartholin, and he was the 67 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: first person to document in writing the concept of what 68 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: we call spontaneous human combustion. He describes how very unfortunate 69 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: woman in Paris apparently went up in ashes and smoke 70 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: while she was asleep. The interesting thing here, all right, 71 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to sound cold when I say interesting, 72 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: but one of the strange things here is that she 73 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: was sleeping on a straw mattress and this mattress was 74 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: not damaged in any way by the fire. So how 75 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: crazy is that a fire occurred on top of straw 76 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: and it didn't burn. And this is not an uncommon 77 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: occurrence when it comes to spontaneous human combustion alleged cases, 78 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: whether the idea that it's somehow like only affects the 79 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: individual and not the substances or surfaces around them, right, 80 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: we'll see some of this conversation the in the specific 81 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: case that you mentioned, Caesar. It is fascinating because what 82 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: we know that I guess the way I always always 83 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: learned it. We know that fire makes friends, right. Fire 84 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: is a gregarious thing, so it usually will branch out 85 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: whenever it's given the opportunity to do so. So this 86 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: case in Paris is not the only case wherein someone 87 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: has apparently burned themselves out without making a mark on 88 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: the external environment. If you fast forward just a few years, 89 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: the sixteen seventy three, there was a French writer named 90 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: Jonas DuPont who published a collection of what he thought 91 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: of as confirmed cases of s HC. Spontaneous human combustion. 92 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: And there seems to be a pattern because hundreds of 93 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: other descriptions of varying credibility have come in the intervening decades. 94 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: And typically here's what happens. The victim is almost completely consumed. 95 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: They are usually in their home when this happens, and 96 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: coroners who get to the scene have occasionally described a sweet, 97 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:44,679 Speaker 1: smoky smell in the room where this event occurred. Uh yeah, 98 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: there are also things people think they notice based on 99 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: the photographic evidence right of these alleged incidents of combustion, 100 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: often the corpses, torso or head maybe severely charred like 101 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: beyond recognition, but some of their extremities are intact hands, feet, 102 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: maybe parts of the limbs like the legs and the arms. 103 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: And two get even stranger with it. There have been 104 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: reports about s HC saying that victims didn't completely burst 105 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: into flame, they just developed strange burns on some specific 106 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: part of their body. So we know that there are 107 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: a couple of things that need to happen for spontaneous combustion. First, 108 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: an object has to be heated to its ignition temperature, 109 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: whatever that is right, and once it hits that point, 110 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: it will catch on fire without being exposed to an 111 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: external flame of any sort. If the heat building up 112 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: inside an object can't escape, and if it's being exposed 113 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: to a steady flow of oxygen that isn't fast enough 114 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: to cool it down, that we're looking at the perfect 115 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: storm for spontaneous combustion. J Ny Saffin passed away on 116 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: September twenty three, two and now this is one of 117 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: the this is one of the go to cases of 118 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: spontaneous human comquestion that paranormal researchers and authors tend to cite. Uh. 119 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: The jury is still very much out on this. We 120 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: know fair amount about Jenny Saffin the person. She was older. 121 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: She was sixty one years old when she passed away, 122 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: and you can read varying accounts of the family's reaction. 123 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: She was sitting in the kitchen with her father, and 124 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: her father was looking away, and then when he looked back, 125 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: suddenly she was aflame, and so he and his son 126 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: in law put out the fire using water from the kitchen. 127 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: They called an ambulance. She was treated on the way 128 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: to the hospital by paramedics, who was transferred to a 129 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: burn unit, and then she unfortunately passed away eight days 130 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: after the original fired injury. So the combustion did not 131 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: consumer in the moment, right. And there's a specific type 132 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: of fires associated with this in all these cases, especially 133 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: in this nice naty two case. Uh. The idea of 134 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: it being this very bright kind of blue flame. Um, 135 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: and like you said, been her brother in law has 136 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: been on the record, a guy named Don Carroll Um 137 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 1: didn't interview, talking about that very blue flame and how 138 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: it was shooting out of her mouth and her body 139 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: her her torso uh and he described her as roaring 140 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: like a dragon um and said that none of the 141 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: surfaces or materials or parts of the kitchen where they 142 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: were seated were damaged, but that her clothing melted off 143 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: of her. And it was never something that was ruled 144 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: spontaneous human combustion in the coroner report. But this gentleman 145 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: feels very certain about what he witnessed. Yeah, that's an 146 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: interesting point that we need to hit about the clothing, 147 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: because the the idea for what I would call orthodox 148 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: spontaneous human combustion necessitates objects in the external environment not 149 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: being burned. And originally people were arguing that Saffin herself 150 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: was burned inside unburned clothes. However, later research shows us 151 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: that her clothes were in fact severely burned. And you 152 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: can read a bunch of read a bunch of different 153 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: theories about what could lead to this spontaneous combustion, everything 154 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: from someone saying like a really out there idea comes 155 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: from a writer named Larry Arnold who says that spontaneous 156 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: combustion is the result of a new sub atomic particle 157 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: called a pyrot Uh. There's no scientific evidence, so this 158 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: this is his idea. Another explanation that might be more 159 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: plausible for some of the skeptics in the crowd is 160 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: what's called the wick effect. The ideas that when lit 161 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: by some kind of heat source a cigarette and ember 162 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: or something, the human body acts kind of like an 163 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: inside candle candles composed of a wick on the inside 164 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: surrounded by a wax right of flammable fatty acids, and 165 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: the wax ignites the wick and keeps it burning. In 166 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: the human body, the argument is, our body fat acts 167 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: as that flammable substance, and our clothing or our hair 168 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: acts as the wick. So as the fat melts away 169 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: from the heat, it soaks into our clothing and acts 170 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: like a substance that keeps the wick burning slowly. This 171 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: could be why victims bodies are destroyed, but their surroundings 172 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: seem to be barely burned because they're becoming kind of 173 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: like candles. But let's just talk about something here. Isn't 174 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: the human autoignition temperature, like what it would cause for 175 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: me sitting right here to catch fire all of a sudden. 176 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: Isn't it around degrees Fahrenheit's something close to that? Not 177 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:19,119 Speaker 1: a kitchen temperature? Yeah? Right? And according to the stories 178 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: that came out of the Jenny Staffen ordeal. From the 179 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: I think is, would you say brother in law and 180 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: the father, it was that there was no ignition device 181 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: like a lighter or anything like that within any where 182 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: in that kitchen. There was just a pilot light on 183 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: their oven. That was the only source of flame that 184 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: could have ignited something. However, there's possibly a pipe, right, 185 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: There's possibly a pipe. From a couple of stories I read, 186 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: there was an un smoked or an unlit pipe that 187 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: was sitting on the kitchen table there, which would lead 188 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: one to believe that and it had fresh tobacco in it. 189 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: We would lead one to believe that perhaps a pipe 190 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: was smoked previously and then repacked. And I believe be 191 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the idea 192 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: is that somebody knocked the pipe to get the ash out. 193 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: Perhaps the father, I believe it was his pipe, knocked 194 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: it to get it out, and then maybe an ash 195 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: or an ember or something made its way towards Jenny, 196 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: and then he continued to just work and nobody noticed, 197 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: and then that maybe ember had something to do with it. Well, wait, 198 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: but the way that would require like a serious accelerant, 199 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: like being doused in kerosene or a major gas leak. 200 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: I mean, just getting singed by an ember from a 201 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: pipe on its own isn't gonna do it a thing, 202 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: well except maybe say ouch. Well, you know she was 203 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: wearing nylon specifically, which is very and the wind well 204 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: we don't know about the wind, but the kitchen window 205 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: and the door they were open, so there could have 206 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: been across reason. But yeah, it seems like a terrible 207 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: lottery to win, doesn't it Like the idea that a 208 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: single ember could compromise you. And and honestly, you know, 209 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: if you've ever discovered part of your body on fire, Uh, 210 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: it's a plot twist. It's like at first, you know, 211 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: it's so shocking that you're not scared. You're just thinking, whoa, 212 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: what happens? Yeah, I mean, dude, what we're describing here 213 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: is like a Rube Goldberg final destination asque sequence of events. 214 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: Everything would have to be perfect, you know, for that 215 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: to actually result in her going up in flames in 216 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: that way. I do want to say, Matt, from the article, 217 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: we will get to the current day example, but from 218 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: the article you posted, I love some of the ex 219 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: explanations that have been used typically in the realm of 220 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: spiritual or pseudoscience. You have to explain these occurrences, things 221 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: like which is lightning psychic suicide my personal favorite, or 222 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: electrical surges um or actually this is my personal favorite, 223 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: the wrath of God. Um. Yeah, you don't want to, Yeah, 224 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: you don't want to incur the wrath of God. That's 225 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: bad news. So we know that we know that one 226 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: things do spontaneously combust. That's just chemistry and a again 227 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: a terrible lottery of various circumstances. Uh. Two, we know 228 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: that there is scientific proof of that explanation I mentioned earlier, 229 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: the Wick effect. In two thousand one, the Journal of 230 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: Forensic Sciences published in an account of a test that 231 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: the State of California's Bureau of Forensic Services performed on 232 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: a pig carcass, not a person. Uh. They wrapped it 233 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: in a blanket and they, you know, did the source 234 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: of ignition, and after a number of hours, the smoldering 235 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: fire extinguished and the part of the pig that had 236 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: burned bones and all have been reduced to ash. And 237 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: when they repeated this on British television and they saw 238 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: that the body In this kind of spontaneous combustion, the 239 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: body burns very slowly, with only a tiny flame or 240 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: no visible flame at all. And this is important. The 241 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: heat that's affecting this object, whether it is a person 242 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: or you know, a tub of marmalade, I guess the 243 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: heat that's affecting the object is so localized the very 244 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: like you will not feel the heat if you are 245 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: standing in these are days of quarantine. If you are 246 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: standing six ft or so from somebody who spontaneously combust 247 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: you will see something happening, but you won't feel the burn. 248 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: This this is something that like it gets associated with 249 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: paranormal activity, but there's there's solid science behind it, and 250 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: we also know there are more recent cases. It's rare, 251 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: but it's a real thing. Oh yeah, And it's not 252 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: like it's something that just happened in the eighties or 253 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds. From the sixteen hundreds, as we've been 254 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: mentioning here, there are continue to there continue to be 255 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: reports of spontaneous human combustion. And we found a report 256 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: from where um an older gentleman, seventy six year old 257 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: in Ireland was found dead in his home and he 258 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: had been burned. His head was near a fireplace, which, 259 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: by the way, is another common thing when it comes 260 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: to cases of alleged spontaneous human combustion, being near a 261 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: fireplace but not being um. No evidence that the person 262 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: had like interacted with the fireplace in a way that 263 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: would suggest something landed on them or they put their 264 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: arm in or something caught fire. It's generally proximity to 265 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: a fireplace. So he was found, he was um His 266 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: charred remains were discus covered in his living room, and 267 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: the forensics, the forensics experts actually concluded in this case 268 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: that it was in fact spontaneous human combustion, unlike in 269 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: the case of Jenny Saffie. Yeah, and that was what 270 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: I was referencing at the top of the show. This 271 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: is an article that I think you had found, Matt, 272 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: And I was surprised to see that this was an 273 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: official inquest that was, you know, as they call it 274 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: in the uk uh an investigation into a death, that 275 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: this is on record as being that's like what they 276 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,719 Speaker 1: think it was. Yeah, exactly, And to your appointment, in 277 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: this case, the body was burned, the floor directly below 278 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: it was charred a bit, and the ceiling was burned 279 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: a little bit, but the rest of the house was 280 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: untouched other than some smoke damage. Yeah, and that coroner 281 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: Sierra and mclaud is part of the reason that we 282 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: know about this case. I mean, let's be honest, Uh, 283 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 1: news of a tragic death in someone's home doesn't often 284 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: go past the local paper or the local obituaries. But 285 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: because mclawhan specifically says no quote here, this fire was 286 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: thoroughly investigated, and I'm left with the conclusion that this 287 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: fits into the category of spontaneous human combustion for which 288 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: there is no adequate explanation. Because of that quote, people 289 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: grabbed onto this, they latched onto it. And people are 290 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: still of course having that uh errant imber theory right 291 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: from the fire. Kind of bold though right for a 292 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: man of science like that to go down this road. 293 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: And this is always sort of hovered in that gray 294 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: area between science and pseudoscience, and that you know, a 295 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: lot of scientists have have always said that there there's 296 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: there's got to be some explanation, even if we don't 297 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: know what it is, there's got to be something, whether 298 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: that's an errant you know, ember like you're saying, or 299 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: a gas leak that wasn't detective, but there's always that 300 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: that stuff leaves leaves clues, and in this case, there 301 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: were no such clues, nor were there any excell It's 302 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: found on the premises at all. So it's kind of like, 303 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's an interesting thing to put on 304 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: an official document um. That's what kind of grabbed me 305 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: about this one. Matt mm hmm. Agreed, And we can 306 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: go we can go deeper into the debates around spontaneous 307 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: human combustion, but the takeaways are something like this happens. 308 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: People acknowledge that something like this happens, and the the 309 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:32,479 Speaker 1: big controversy and the ongoing conversation is focus specifically on 310 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: the causes of this phenomenon. We have some good explanations, 311 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: we have some remaining questions. The strangest thing about it, 312 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: I would say, is that there's not really a way 313 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: to prepare yourself against the possibility of spontaneous human combustion. 314 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: So what watch out day, I don't know. That's that's 315 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: that's scary. That's the scary part. It's like, whoops, okay, 316 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I gosh, that's that's certainly a fear 317 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: of my I have a fear of drowning and of 318 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: of of burning to death. I don't think I don't 319 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: think that's un common though. I think most people in 320 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: general are anti drowning and anti burning to death. That's 321 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: why you're not. Not all of them are anti birds, 322 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: such as yourself, noble, But you know that's okay. Like, 323 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: I want to clear the air here real quick. Okay, 324 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: I might play up my bird phobia a little bit 325 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 1: for effect here. But my kid even was like, we 326 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: were at the park and then I was pointing out 327 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: some cool looking birds and she's like, aren't you scared 328 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: of the bread? I'm like, look, I can look at birds, okay, 329 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: but they don't they don't make me totally freak out 330 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: and collapse into a quivering pool of jelly. I just 331 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,479 Speaker 1: don't want them like under my covers or coming at me, 332 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: flying in my face. You know That's that's where I 333 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: draw the line. Well, every human being is an encyclopedic, 334 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: eclectic compendium of specific fears. Uh, And this makes me think, 335 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,719 Speaker 1: you know, listeners, I'd love to hear your specific fears. 336 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: The more specific, the better. Conspiracy. At iHeart media dot com, 337 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,959 Speaker 1: we'll tell you where to hit us on social media 338 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: later in the show, but for now we can perhaps 339 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: close the chapter on spontaneous human combustion. Thank you so 340 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: much for your suggestions, Caesar. We hope to hear more 341 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: from you in the future. So everybody, do your best 342 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: not to be on fire, or if you are somehow 343 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: on fire as you're listening to this, please stop, drop 344 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: and roll during our sponsor break and we'll be right back. Okay, 345 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: we're back and you're no longer on fire. Kudos to you. 346 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: Good job, you paid attention in elementary school, and now 347 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: we're going to move on to something completely different, if you, 348 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: if you gentlemen, don't mind, I'd like to talk a 349 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: little bit about Britney Spears. Uh yeah, let's do it 350 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: one more time. We I love talking about Britney Spears. 351 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: Do a one more time. There we go. I'm sorry, 352 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm glad you're here. That was awesome. I 353 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 1: don't know, man, I just remember when Brittney came out. 354 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: I was I don't know if I was a little 355 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: young for that demo or whatever, but I certainly was like, 356 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,479 Speaker 1: who is this? And then it was more like, you know, 357 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: because she looked like this kind of nymphette kind of 358 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: almost Lolita esque figure where she was meant to be 359 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: seemed really young, and she had this weird baby voice, 360 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: and she was wearing like Catholic school girl outfits but 361 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: doing some very provocative dance moves. Mind you. Um, but 362 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: you know, it was one of those things where it 363 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: was like it was manufactured to be a little titillating 364 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: but also safe and not to you know, provocative, but 365 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: also kind of occupy this really interesting middle ground. Uh. 366 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: In same with like boy bands and and and Backstreet 367 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: Boys and in Sync and all that. Like they there's 368 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: something about them that was designed to just dip your 369 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: toe in the water of sexuality. I think Brittany, though, 370 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: with her midriff shirt and the whole kind of thrust 371 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: nous of the dance moves, might have pushed it a 372 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: little further than the boy bands did. But that was 373 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: me coming from like a pre pubescent tween, I guess. 374 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: So that's my memory of of early Brittany. Um, but 375 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: y'all may remember. I think it was in like two 376 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: thousand seven ish Brittany Spears had a pretty public um 377 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: struggle with mental health. She you know, kind of went 378 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: off the grid and was difficult for her handlers to control. 379 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: Let's say, she shaved her head, got very publicly married, 380 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: like in a Vegas ceremony, and all of that. That 381 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: was all I'm kind of con using the timelines here, 382 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: so forgive me. But at the end of the day, Uh, 383 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: she was forced into a conservatorship situation where her father 384 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: and some other, um, you know, kind of representatives basically 385 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: controlled not only her fortune and all of her business decisions, 386 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: but in many respects her her daily life and the 387 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: way she was able to, you know, be an independent 388 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: human being. And we got a call um about this 389 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: from Chase who wanted us to talk a little bit 390 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: about the hashtag free Brittany movement or conspiracy theory. Hey guys, 391 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: this is Chase calling from Seattle, Washington, and I was 392 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: interested listening to your K pop episode about because you 393 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: mentioned Britney Spears and a lot of people have been 394 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: talking recently on the internet about Britney Spears conservatorship. I 395 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: think that's the word. Um, the control that she's been 396 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: placed under since her breakdown in two thousand eight, and 397 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: the lack of control she has over her finances and 398 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: her life. Um, it's being brought to light recently because 399 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: of her somewhat coded posts she made on Instagram calling 400 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: for a general strike. Um in a way that is 401 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: a huge risk for herself. And I think this would 402 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: be a really interesting thing for you guys to look into, 403 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: whether or not you do an episode. It's just a 404 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: fascinating look at the music industry in America and what 405 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: happens to our own pop stars. UM, all right, I 406 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: hope you'll staying safe and have a good one. Thanks 407 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: for writing in Chase. This is this is an episode 408 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: that we had we thought about exploring in the past, 409 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: and I agree it Uh, it's illustrative of so many 410 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: problems in the entertainment industry, similar to some of the 411 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: things we explored in our episode on the Dark Side 412 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: of k Pop. Also wrote out boy bands because the 413 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: manager of several boy bands could get an episode of 414 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: his own. He's kind of a monster. Uh. The spears 415 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: is is still under conservatorship right now. Right, she's in 416 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: her late thirties, she's uh, she's an extremely lauded multimillionaire, 417 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: uh superstar basically, but uh, but she still has that conservatorship. 418 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: I believe it's her her father, right, that's the one 419 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: who controls everything, that's the main one. And I feel 420 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: like there's been a change, um in some of that 421 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: arrangement where there was a gentleman that was handling parts 422 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: of it, of the business side of things, um that 423 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: that quit very abruptly. And that's that's a that's a 424 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: big part of the the whole conspiracy angle of this 425 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 1: whole thing. And which is a great name for someone 426 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: who controls somebody else's money. By the way, Andrew Wallett, 427 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: that's that's pretty fantastic. Could you speak to his his 428 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: part in this and and maybe how his departure kind 429 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: of led to some of the speculation that there was 430 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: something kind of rotten and brittany Ville. Yes, so here's 431 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: what we know to be true. Britney Spears, father James 432 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: Spears Jamie to his friends, was appointed a co conservator 433 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight along with that lawyer Andrew Wallett. 434 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: Andrew Wallett has, to your pointals since resigned. I want 435 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: to say. In September of twenty nineteen, Jamie Spears temporarily 436 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: stepped aside, partially or apparently the media believed, due to 437 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: his own health issues, but questions about who controls what 438 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: in this person's life. She's clearly an adult, She's earned 439 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: this stuff. Shouldn't she be able to be the soul, 440 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: the sole decider of what she does with her fame, 441 00:28:54,720 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: her wealth, and her influence. Well. Uh, that's the origin 442 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: of the hashtag free Brittany, right, the idea that she 443 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: was being held against her will uh, and that her 444 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: father and some co conspirators were making money off the 445 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: estate but making her live like a prisoner in her 446 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: own home. This really upset the father by the way 447 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: he referred to Uh. He referred to the free Brittany 448 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: thing as a conspiracy theory, but he does admit there's 449 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: a conservatorship. And he specifically said there was a quote 450 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: from uh just this month actually where wherein he said, 451 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: all these conspiracy theorists don't know anything. The world don't 452 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: have a clue. It's up to the court of California 453 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: to decide what's best for my daughter. It's no one 454 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: else's business. Yeah, And it's interesting. There's a podcast called 455 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: Brittany's graham Um where these two comedians, Tess Barker and 456 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: Barbara Gray, talk about Brittany's Instagram posts. Since Brittany in 457 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: the past handful of years has become very very active 458 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: on Instagram, um as she's been largely kind of isolated 459 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: in her home, and it's become even more active during 460 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: COVID a lot of yoga videos and dance videos and 461 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: just her kind of musing on things, and I follow 462 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: it and it's a it's a pretty delightful account. Um 463 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: she just has this kind of way about her that's 464 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: very human. She's a little she comes off a little 465 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, like she's the she she She strikes 466 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: me as the type of person that's been famous for 467 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: a very, very very long time. And I'm not saying 468 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: that like she comes off as like in human, quite 469 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: the opposite. She seems like someone who has handled this 470 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: in a relatively even handed way. And she obviously loves 471 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: to dance and loves to perform, but doesn't seem to 472 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: be particularly crazy about all of the other things that 473 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: go along with it. And those other things, by the way, 474 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,719 Speaker 1: are an estimated fifty seven million dollars and assets that 475 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: are at stake here or you know, under this supervision 476 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: of this conservatorship, and I think two point seven million 477 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: dollars in cash. But on that Britney spears uh Instagram 478 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: podcast Brittney's graham Um. The host actually received an anonymous 479 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: phone call earlier this year from someone a paralegal that 480 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: claimed to be familiar with the situation with Andrew Wallatt 481 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: and the conservatorship, and he spoke to some potentially abusive 482 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,719 Speaker 1: behavior and the idea that she was basically being forced 483 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: to take medication that she didn't want to take. UH. 484 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: Then they weren't specific about it, but there are some 485 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: instances of her appearing kind of drugged up UH in 486 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: certain public appearances or in certain like videos that have 487 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: been posted, etcetera. And it's this idea that she went 488 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: off her meds, whatever those might be, and then her 489 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: father or you know, in conjunction with the conservator um, 490 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,719 Speaker 1: forced her to check herself into a mental health facility 491 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: in January. And there there's there's they point to. You know, 492 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: Brittany likes these emojis. It's very clear when she's the 493 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: one posting on her account, and there was a post 494 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: that was quite clearly not from her. It used emoticons 495 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: instead of emojis, and that was a big red flag 496 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: to the sleuthy hosts of the Brittany Graham podcast that 497 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: it wasn't her and something was a miss um And 498 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: you know, now she's back to posting regularly and seems fine. 499 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: But it's very interesting, you're right, Ben. It really rubbed 500 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: her father Jamie the wrong way when all this stuff 501 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,479 Speaker 1: was out, and he called it a conspiracy theory and 502 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: said that, you know, he was just doing what's best 503 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: for his daughter. But there is a lot of money 504 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: at stake and a lot of potential for abuse when 505 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: someone maybe isn't uh fully there are able to make 506 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: those decisions, and that's what's kind of been And so 507 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: basically now there's the a c l U is gonna involved. 508 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: They're saying they're they support free Brittany movement, the idea 509 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: that she should get out from under this conservatorship um, 510 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: that she should be able to make her own decisions, 511 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: and that it is potentially a negative situation. There were 512 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: a few instances where users had pointed out, like someone 513 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: and posted on her Instagram comments, if you need help, 514 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: wear yellow in your next post, and then sure enough, 515 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: she wore a yellow top in her next post. So 516 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's a lot of grist for the conspiracy 517 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: mill here for sure, But uh it's I don't know. 518 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: It's it's interesting because it does speak to that whole 519 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: idea of kept uh kept pop stars, keeping them under 520 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: lock and key, making sure they don't do anything to 521 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: you know, turn off the money. Fawcett. I don't know. 522 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: Does it just happen to pop stars? Where's a Where's 523 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: Ted Turner? When's his last public app? Oh? He's hanging 524 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: out with But what to your point too? I think 525 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: we should portray the other side of this too. Uh. 526 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: If you want to be involved. There is a change 527 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: dot org petition that has more than a hundred thousand 528 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: signatures right now. They are claiming that Britney Spears is 529 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: not allowed to drive, all of her communications are monitored, 530 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: she can't vote, she needs permission to spend any amount 531 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: of money, and if she is the threat, the control mechanism, 532 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: at least according to these folks, is uh, the threat 533 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: of having her children taken away? Uh. And you know, 534 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: the concern for people who believe in this free Brittany 535 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: idea is that her father and the business manager that 536 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: works with I guess the entity of Britney Spears Lou 537 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: Taylor of try Star Sports and Management, that they are 538 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: embezzling from her, and the father says that's untrue. But 539 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: I think you're right. I mean, should this maybe this 540 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: is an episode, Yeah, maybe we can, maybe we can 541 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: get Britney Spears as herself of the show. Well, she 542 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: showed me asn't leaving the house very much, except for 543 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: doing yoga on the beach um which seems to be 544 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: a public beach because there's other humans around um. But 545 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,919 Speaker 1: even as far back before COVID, she certainly wasn't leaving 546 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: the house very much. She did do quite a few tours, 547 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,439 Speaker 1: even as recently as seen that kind of a comeback tour. 548 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: And that's also something that people point to, is that 549 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: she was able to keep her you know, stuff together 550 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: long enough, you know, in order to be a functioning performer. 551 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: And you know, you can't be on the brink of 552 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: you can't be completely unable to live day to day 553 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: and and take care of yourself and have a relatively 554 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: normal existence and be a touring you know, musician, someone 555 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: that's at the center of a very highly choreographed live performance. 556 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta have your wits about you, you know. 557 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: So I think that certainly points to why does she 558 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: need this I mean, she shaved her head one time. 559 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: You know, what's the what's the big deal? I I 560 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: totally see that point. Um, I would just say, my 561 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: wife showed me this a little while ago, and we 562 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: spent some time just looking through it, and I didn't understand. 563 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: And in all honesty, and I hate to say this, 564 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't care that much when I initially 565 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,919 Speaker 1: looked at it. But after, you know, knowl what you've 566 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: what you've kind of shared with us today and what 567 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: we've learned from our listener and from several other people, 568 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: I'm feeling way more invested in this story, and Ben, 569 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: I think it is worth our time because we have 570 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: to remember, we don't know what happened to Brittany while 571 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: she was an up and coming artist, what it took 572 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: to get to the level of fame where she was, like, 573 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: what kind of manipulation and abuse she may have been 574 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 1: um subjected to. We don't know all the situation with 575 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,919 Speaker 1: her family. We don't know a lot of things about 576 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,240 Speaker 1: what's happening now. We don't know what happens behind closed 577 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: doors unless it's broadcasted, you know, on an Instagram page 578 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: or um somewhere else public maybe even with the help 579 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: of a PR team. So yeah, there's definitely stuff to 580 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: look at here, and I'm in now so on it. 581 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for thanks for sharing. I agree this is something 582 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: we should look into a little deeper, I think, But 583 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: I just want to point out one thing. There's a 584 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 1: bunch of video of her when she was very young 585 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: on Star Search, and her voice is completely different. She 586 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: has a much deeper, more soulful voice, and it was 587 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: very clear that her producers pushed her into doing that 588 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: kind of infantile baby voice. Um, that is sort of 589 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: her hallmark. And even later in her career, it was 590 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,879 Speaker 1: clear that she was pushed away from singing at all 591 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: and just started lip syncing. I know that's not uncommon, 592 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 1: but um, you know, it's definitely a little weird to 593 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: see someone being controlled to that degree and having zero 594 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: agency over any aspect of their career, and just obviously 595 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: kind of being treated like a cash cow by by 596 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: all of these people. I would imagine her father included, 597 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: And I don't know the specifics of that, but it's 598 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: sure seems like she's treated much more like a commodity 599 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: than a human being. I think it's incredibly optimistic, almost 600 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 1: inspiring to describe that as uncommon, I mean the the 601 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: entertainment industry as a meat grinder. Am I bringing this? 602 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: Am I making this up out of whole cloth? Didn't 603 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: she have an album that was supposed to be released 604 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: and it had actual singing? No, No, they held it back. 605 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,359 Speaker 1: They held it back. Yeah, exactly. It was much more 606 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: her doing her full vocal performance, and I think it 607 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: was because they didn't want it to interfere with the brand. Well, 608 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: the industry assumes what the brand will be, right, and 609 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 1: if you want to succeed in that industry, often you 610 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: have to play ball and you have to be what 611 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: they You have to be the product that they wish 612 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 1: to sell. That's why that's why we see so much 613 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: homogeneity in popular music, because there is a definitive approach, 614 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: there is a strategy. It is constantly evolving. But it 615 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: reminds me of when I found out that there are 616 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 1: like a small handful of people who write the majority 617 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: of pop song hits and uh, Max Martin, They're not 618 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: They're not who you think they are, and they are 619 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 1: living like some of them live in Scandinavia. It's crazy. 620 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: They're amazing songwriters. I'm not knocking them, but I think 621 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,720 Speaker 1: it's I think it's common for people at that level 622 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 1: not to have agency, are definitely not to have as 623 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: much as one might hope an ordinary human would have it. Really, 624 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: I think, you know, it was a little bit of 625 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,240 Speaker 1: a divisive episode, but I quite enjoyed it. The episode 626 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 1: of Black Mirror with Miley Cyrus in it, where she 627 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: kind of played a Britney Spears esque character, uh named 628 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: Ashley Oh I believe it was her name, and it 629 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,240 Speaker 1: was very clear she was being controlled in a type 630 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: of conservators ship by her kind of a wicked stepmother 631 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: type situation um who ultimately like ended up drugging her. 632 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil anything about the episode, but 633 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: the the end of the day, Ashley Oh as a 634 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: brand was very different than Ashley as a human, and 635 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 1: she was writing much more moody material and wanted to 636 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: sing in her real voice instead of being this kind 637 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 1: of bubblegum pop propped up kind of you know, cartoon um. 638 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: And and that's I don't know, Like I said, you 639 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: can definitely tell the stuff Brittany's posting on her personal 640 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: account is her, but she never leaves the house, and 641 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: it's it's a little. It's a little odd, but I 642 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,319 Speaker 1: really hope you're okay, Brittany. I hope that yellow top 643 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you really do need our help. But 644 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot of voices and you know that have 645 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,799 Speaker 1: a pretty big megaphone that are that are supporting this, 646 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: like um, what's her name, um, Paris Hilton has come 647 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:57,399 Speaker 1: out in support of this. Uh, there's um. Rose mcgallen 648 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: has has made a lot of to do about, you know, 649 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: believe thing that Brittany is being held, you know, against 650 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,720 Speaker 1: her will essentially, and a lot of that stuff isn't confirmed. 651 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: But I don't know, it's an interesting story, sounds good. 652 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: I just want to learn more about the spinny dance 653 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,840 Speaker 1: move that she does in a lot of her videos. 654 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 1: It's really fun, but it does seem a little odd, 655 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 1: and I don't know if you're telling me something or 656 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 1: maybe it's just your awesome dance, you're happy dance. I 657 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: have one of those two. We could also do coded 658 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: messages or perceived coded messages from celebrities, from people of 659 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: note and influence, but before we do that, I believe 660 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: it's time to take a pause for word from our 661 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:48,399 Speaker 1: sponsor and check back in with the weather and we're 662 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 1: back now. You may recall, if you were listening last week, 663 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 1: that we talked about a strange weather phenomena called a 664 00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: diretto which occurred a few weeks ago in Iowa and 665 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: a lot of the midwestern United States. And we put 666 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 1: out a call on that episode to anyone listening that 667 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: may have experienced it or you know, been in the 668 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,799 Speaker 1: area seeing something firsthand. And my goodness, did you reach 669 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: out to us? And we want to take a bit 670 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: of time today just to to go over some of 671 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 1: the messages that we got. Let's go ahead and begin 672 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,320 Speaker 1: with a message we got from Courtney. I'm just gonna 673 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 1: read part of this. Hey, guys, my boyfriend and I 674 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,280 Speaker 1: were unfortunately one of the thousands impacted by the recent 675 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 1: directo event. We live in the midwestern suburbs of Chicago, 676 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: and it ended up being one of the areas where 677 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 1: an e F one tornado came through along with the directo. Um. Wow. 678 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: We found out afterwards that this tornado started two blocks 679 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:55,240 Speaker 1: from our house. In addition, Chicago UM Weather Service reported 680 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 1: fifteen tornadoes fifteen tornadoes from this system for the Chicago 681 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 1: metro area. Wow. Uh. They were warned, thankfully, about thirty 682 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: minutes ahead of time by friends who happened to be meteorologists. Uh, 683 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,239 Speaker 1: my goodness, make some meteorologist friends everybody. Uh, they went 684 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,799 Speaker 1: and took shelter. Um, it's been very similar to what 685 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: we were talking about in the show. About five to 686 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 1: ten minutes before anything actually occurred, it was extremely still, 687 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,280 Speaker 1: almost like if you're at the center of a hurricane. 688 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 1: Then suddenly bam, all hell broke loose out of nowhere. 689 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 1: Everything was so deafening it was hard to tell what 690 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 1: was just wind, what was rain, thunder or hail. I 691 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: think we're in our basement for about thirty minutes before 692 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 1: it seemed like the worst of it had passed. Um. Thankfully, 693 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: we can report that Courtney and her family came away 694 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:51,839 Speaker 1: physically unscathed, but their backyard and parts of their house 695 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: it was damaged. At Courtney actually sent us some pictures 696 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: of their backyard in their home where some trees crashed 697 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 1: down onto the yard through then and actually slammed into 698 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: the porch. Um. And so she was just saying, after 699 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 1: photos too, it is it's it's fantastic, thank you for 700 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: sending those. And she finishes the message with our medio friends, 701 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 1: I guess meteorologist friends make a very poignant comment to 702 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: us following the event, stating that this storm was absolutely 703 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:26,280 Speaker 1: remarkable in all of the ways meteorologists don't want to see. Yeah, 704 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,839 Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense. So, uh, we're glad 705 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,880 Speaker 1: you're okay, Courtney and family, and thank you so much 706 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 1: for reaching out to us. But that's again not the 707 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 1: only message we got. Yeah, we received some statistics, Chris 708 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 1: b You wrote to us as well, and Chris lives 709 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 1: in Cedar Rapids and gave us a few quick statistics. 710 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,320 Speaker 1: The top speed hit at a hundred and forty miles 711 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,400 Speaker 1: per hour. That's more than we said because the reporting 712 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 1: hadn't even come out fully yet, right right, This was 713 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,880 Speaker 1: from the National a Weather Service later after we had 714 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 1: reported this. Ten million acres of crops are unusable. I 715 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,839 Speaker 1: believe that's the point we brought up, as well as 716 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: far as what they would call long tail or knock 717 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: on consequences of this. Square miles of Cedar Rapids took 718 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:23,120 Speaker 1: extensive damage. Fifty of the trees Chris estimates in the 719 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: area are gone. And Chris, I think you're a great 720 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:32,320 Speaker 1: writer because you have lines like usually when the sirens 721 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,840 Speaker 1: go off, in Iowa, you grab a beer and watch 722 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: the storm roll in. UH. But they couldn't because about 723 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 1: five minutes after the sirens went off, the wind came 724 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,719 Speaker 1: in like a freight train. Where Chris is at, it 725 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:51,720 Speaker 1: lasted for about an hour. People from across the country, arborist, electricians, 726 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,680 Speaker 1: and linemen are coming to help restore things like help 727 00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 1: get the power grid back and get things functioning. Chris, 728 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,799 Speaker 1: you did something that I love, and I think it's 729 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,960 Speaker 1: very important that we share this with our fellow listeners. Chris, 730 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: you said, if you are interested in seeing some videos 731 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 1: UH on pictures of the storm and the effect. We 732 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,320 Speaker 1: have a group on Facebook called Iowa Directo Storm Resource Page. 733 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: That's where we would recommend going if you'd like to 734 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,360 Speaker 1: learn more about ways that you could perhaps help UH 735 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,719 Speaker 1: the area is affected by the dachel. Do you guys 736 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,719 Speaker 1: have any thoughts on why this isn't getting more media coverage? 737 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,880 Speaker 1: Is it just because of the election cycle and you know, 738 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,839 Speaker 1: so much other stuff going on with COVID and Black 739 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,720 Speaker 1: Lives Matter that it just feels like a lesser story. 740 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,800 Speaker 1: I'm not saying, I'm just wondering, like I don't obviously 741 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,319 Speaker 1: I don't think it is for those people that live there. 742 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 1: It's a massive story and it's also has been a 743 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,720 Speaker 1: much more rare type of weather system in the past. 744 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,759 Speaker 1: I just wonder why it's not getting more prominence in 745 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,000 Speaker 1: the media coverage. Well, I'll tell you one reason, and 746 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,759 Speaker 1: I won't fully elaborate on this. I would actually love 747 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,880 Speaker 1: for you to go online and read this article that 748 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to mention to support the local news in 749 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 1: the area. Um, if you go to the Gazette dot com, 750 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,360 Speaker 1: you can read uh. It says publishing a newspaper in 751 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,640 Speaker 1: the middle of a disaster. That's what the title is. 752 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,799 Speaker 1: It was posted on Sunday, August of this year, and 753 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:28,759 Speaker 1: it is talking specifically about the Gazette staff there in 754 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:34,319 Speaker 1: Cedar Rapids attempting to still put out news while not 755 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,280 Speaker 1: only while there has been this devastating storm where power 756 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 1: is still out in some places, where people are trying 757 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 1: to find homes, to fix their homes, to fix the 758 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,759 Speaker 1: roads and everything. There's also a pandemic going on where 759 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,279 Speaker 1: everyone is trying to be careful and function and then 760 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,879 Speaker 1: to have to work amidst all of that, and when 761 00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,839 Speaker 1: your work is as important as journalism is, it's just 762 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,160 Speaker 1: it's a lot to take in and to get done. 763 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,760 Speaker 1: And I would just highly recommend everybody read that article 764 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 1: while you can and support them in any way you 765 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,960 Speaker 1: can if possible, because if nobody is there to report 766 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,839 Speaker 1: on what's happening from the inside, you know, then how 767 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,360 Speaker 1: are we going to know what The New York Times 768 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,920 Speaker 1: what's going on right or whatever else you read exactly? 769 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,239 Speaker 1: Things can so easily be relegated to a remember when 770 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,040 Speaker 1: throw away mentioned years later or something, And and it's 771 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:37,200 Speaker 1: tough to answer that question. The news cycle continues for 772 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,800 Speaker 1: there are a number of factors affecting this. First, people 773 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:46,520 Speaker 1: are reading more news, often from more sources than they 774 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:54,400 Speaker 1: had pre pandemic. Secondly, we have many more things occurring 775 00:48:54,800 --> 00:49:00,680 Speaker 1: that would like widespread countrywide protests. The fact that that 776 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,879 Speaker 1: is not continually a headline in the news shows us 777 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,799 Speaker 1: how the and I'm hesitant to say the media capital end, 778 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,120 Speaker 1: but it shows us how a lot of those large 779 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:19,560 Speaker 1: communication institutions are prioritizing news because they're having things that 780 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:24,440 Speaker 1: they're having things they would consider headline events occurring multiple 781 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,160 Speaker 1: times per week, if not per day, And there's a 782 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:33,399 Speaker 1: hard limit on how much information a human being can process. Uh, 783 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,640 Speaker 1: it's it's something that we don't quite have a workaround 784 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,120 Speaker 1: for yet, like sleep, so we are we are seeing 785 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,239 Speaker 1: these things happen. I mean, for another comparison, Uh, what 786 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,799 Speaker 1: about what about the tremendous damage Donde Puerto Rico right 787 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,920 Speaker 1: seems a world ago now for many people who don't 788 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,000 Speaker 1: live in the area or don't specifically scan for that 789 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 1: in their news of choice. And there are more terrible 790 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:07,400 Speaker 1: storms coming right now as we're talking about this heading 791 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,440 Speaker 1: towards the United States, and that are happening across the world. 792 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,040 Speaker 1: It just feels like an important time to be aware 793 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,200 Speaker 1: of the weather. Hm. I would say inner and alter 794 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,799 Speaker 1: m hmmm, and invest in whatever app or website or 795 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,200 Speaker 1: whatever you need to do to get just a radio 796 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,560 Speaker 1: of those emergency radio Yeah. Dark Skuys is solid. I 797 00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,279 Speaker 1: think it's like four bucks. I know, it's what a 798 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,960 Speaker 1: lot of the film production people use. Uh, and it's 799 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,000 Speaker 1: usually pretty pretty accurate. I recommend keeping a solar powered 800 00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,759 Speaker 1: and crank operated radio. You can get a great deal on. 801 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,480 Speaker 1: This is what I include in survival kits make for 802 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:52,360 Speaker 1: my friends. It's relatively inexpensive, and the solar stuff it's okay, 803 00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,200 Speaker 1: it's not space age technology. The important thing is the 804 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,760 Speaker 1: crank if you're ever in a situation where you lose power. 805 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,920 Speaker 1: A lot of these crank devices can also have a 806 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,640 Speaker 1: USB attachment to charge your phone. I think it's worth 807 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,520 Speaker 1: the investment to be prepared for this stuff. And and 808 00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,400 Speaker 1: now I'm curious about how many stories just ended up 809 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,439 Speaker 1: being kind of come and gone flashes in the pan 810 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:22,879 Speaker 1: of the national perspective. It's chilling to think about how 811 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,560 Speaker 1: many how many things got that. I mean, the main 812 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,520 Speaker 1: takeaway is that just because the news side, just because 813 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:32,600 Speaker 1: the news cycle shifts, just because the um the segment 814 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,080 Speaker 1: on a program stops for an AD break, that doesn't 815 00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,760 Speaker 1: mean the story ends. And these are real people. These 816 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,400 Speaker 1: are These are people in Iowa, these are people in 817 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,279 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico, these are people across the world who are 818 00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:51,719 Speaker 1: literally weathering the storm. And it's all too easy for 819 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:56,239 Speaker 1: people to be other people to um assume that the 820 00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,640 Speaker 1: problem is solved because the news stop telling you about it. 821 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,799 Speaker 1: That makes sense, Uh, it makes more than sense. I mean, 822 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,160 Speaker 1: we have we're trained to like thinking and process information 823 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,840 Speaker 1: and sound bites, and it's so easy to just to 824 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,120 Speaker 1: move on. We just kind of have a short memory 825 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,319 Speaker 1: for things. I think more and more as a as 826 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,080 Speaker 1: a species. Maybe I don't know, not the third one 827 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,719 Speaker 1: of the bus. I mean, it's just it's hard, and 828 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,680 Speaker 1: news coverage kind of capitalizes on that because it's how 829 00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 1: they make their their money. Again, so many of you've 830 00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,799 Speaker 1: written into us, and thank you. Just a shout out 831 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,520 Speaker 1: to Kate Hayden who wrote into us about some very 832 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,680 Speaker 1: specific concerns going on right now in Seedar Rapids, specifically 833 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,480 Speaker 1: with some of the immigrant population that is there and 834 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,840 Speaker 1: what families are dealing with right there. M you're the 835 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,040 Speaker 1: one actually who who turned us onto that uh Cedar 836 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,040 Speaker 1: Rapids Gazette story about trying to write a paper in 837 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,160 Speaker 1: these conditions, so thank you for for that. There's also 838 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,160 Speaker 1: a go fund Me page that you linked to us. 839 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,480 Speaker 1: Check this out. This is specifically to aid Cedar Rapids 840 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,440 Speaker 1: Refugees and immigrants. You can find that on go fund 841 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:11,400 Speaker 1: me right now again aid Cedar Rapids Refugees and Immigrants 842 00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,279 Speaker 1: on go fund Me, or just google Intercultural Center of 843 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,320 Speaker 1: Iowa right for the go fund me perfect that's probably 844 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,480 Speaker 1: one of the easier ways to do it. Thank you again, Kate. 845 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,200 Speaker 1: And then uh Noel, I was wondering if you would 846 00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,280 Speaker 1: want to read from Michael McCann, another one of our 847 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,080 Speaker 1: listeners who wrote to us. He's got a very narrative 848 00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:38,000 Speaker 1: like story that he's written for us about his experience. Yes, uh, 849 00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,120 Speaker 1: he definitely spends quite a yarn. And he starts with 850 00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,239 Speaker 1: a previous experience being in an e F three tornado 851 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,960 Speaker 1: back in two thousand eighteen, and then fast forwards to 852 00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,400 Speaker 1: two weeks ago, and we'll pick it up there. And 853 00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,520 Speaker 1: he lives in Marshall Town, which is about an hour 854 00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,640 Speaker 1: west of Cedar Rapids. Here we go. We were in 855 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,279 Speaker 1: a thunderstorm morning, but in the Midwest we get those 856 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,840 Speaker 1: almost weekly in the spring and summer. I checked the clouds, 857 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,560 Speaker 1: which didn't appear to be menacing overhead. Plus the alert 858 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,640 Speaker 1: was set to expire in about thirty minutes, so I 859 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,680 Speaker 1: decided to make the fifteen minute drive from work to town, 860 00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:17,320 Speaker 1: and Holy I eventually saw in the entire western sky 861 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,080 Speaker 1: what looked like an approaching tidal wave. I've never seen 862 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,160 Speaker 1: anything like it in my forty years on the prairie. 863 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,919 Speaker 1: The sky was turning black quickly, but I thought I'd 864 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,400 Speaker 1: have enough time to get to my destination. As I 865 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,319 Speaker 1: was pulling into the parking lot of freaking subway. My 866 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,680 Speaker 1: wife called and said she was in the basement with 867 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,319 Speaker 1: our son and dogs. The wind had picked up, but 868 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,320 Speaker 1: nothing crazy yet, but I was glad she was being careful. 869 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:49,000 Speaker 1: Then I got whooshed Holy again. Most thunderstorms begin with 870 00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,839 Speaker 1: some wind gusts and then the thunder boom ees it, 871 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:58,200 Speaker 1: then it passes. This was just out of nowhere, merciless wind, 872 00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,799 Speaker 1: and it accelerated then more and more. I drive an 873 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,800 Speaker 1: SUV and was part facing east with the storm coming 874 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,359 Speaker 1: from the west. I slid down in my seat in 875 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,320 Speaker 1: case something decided to come in the back window and waited. 876 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,680 Speaker 1: Never mounted a mechanical bull but I imagine it's a 877 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,680 Speaker 1: very similar ride. It was ten minutes at least of 878 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:21,600 Speaker 1: just insane, persistent wind rocking me in my car. Wow. 879 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,239 Speaker 1: I I love that, Michael. You wrote this to us 880 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,320 Speaker 1: because I was wondering what it would feel like or 881 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,480 Speaker 1: what it would be like, and you've described it so well. 882 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,120 Speaker 1: Uh Wow. And and Ben to your to your point. 883 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:35,960 Speaker 1: He ends with a couple of pro tips. Buy a 884 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,239 Speaker 1: couple of bags of tea lights and stashed them. They're 885 00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:39,799 Speaker 1: worth their weight in gold. If you ever lose power 886 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,839 Speaker 1: for eleven days and always have podcast downloaded to your 887 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,880 Speaker 1: phone and a cell phone charger for your car. Uh. 888 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,919 Speaker 1: This is stuff we want you to know, he says, 889 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,200 Speaker 1: thanks so much, gentlemen, uh, and for your show. So yeah, 890 00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,759 Speaker 1: thank you again to everybody who wrote to us to 891 00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,520 Speaker 1: to tell us your experiences to share them with everyone 892 00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:01,200 Speaker 1: else here. Again, We're thankful that everyone is safe at 893 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,360 Speaker 1: least that we've been speaking with, and we hope that 894 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,479 Speaker 1: anyone out there who is dealing with loss of any 895 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,319 Speaker 1: kind as a result of this storm. Um, we just 896 00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,240 Speaker 1: hope you're doing okay and I wish you the best, 897 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,800 Speaker 1: and we need you here because if the past events 898 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:24,800 Speaker 1: of taught us anything, there are only more plot twists ahead. 899 00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,480 Speaker 1: You are the most important part of the show. The 900 00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,000 Speaker 1: best ideas for stories come from you. So we want 901 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:36,080 Speaker 1: to say thanks to you. Kate, Chris, Cynthia, Michael, Courtney, 902 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:40,800 Speaker 1: Chase and Caesar. We have just touched upon several things 903 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,680 Speaker 1: that we could spend hours exploring on air, and it 904 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,680 Speaker 1: sounds like I always just peek behind the curtain here. 905 00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:54,200 Speaker 1: I always keep a notepad around to uh, to keep 906 00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,360 Speaker 1: track of things that should turn out to be future episodes. 907 00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:02,279 Speaker 1: So no promises on ease, but we didn't get to 908 00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,359 Speaker 1: a lot of the research that we had for some 909 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:09,640 Speaker 1: of these topics. Just acts surprised in a few months, 910 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,840 Speaker 1: in two weeks. And I know that if there is 911 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,439 Speaker 1: an episode of stuff, they'll let you know that comes 912 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:21,240 Speaker 1: out that you particularly love. Uh. The idea for it 913 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,440 Speaker 1: very likely came from one of your fellow listeners. And 914 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,440 Speaker 1: if you want to get in on that, you can 915 00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,600 Speaker 1: do it in multiple ways. 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You'll be able to talk with tons 934 00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,440 Speaker 1: of other conspiracy realists just like yourself, and you know, 935 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,400 Speaker 1: discuss what what each episode is about, what you want 936 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,680 Speaker 1: to talk about, share some memes, anything you want to do. 937 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,920 Speaker 1: It's a great community, and we've got some fantastic people 938 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,960 Speaker 1: running the show for us over there, and just do listeners. 939 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:35,800 Speaker 1: You may have noticed the UH, ever so often anomalous 940 00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,480 Speaker 1: visual reference that we are making to ourselves in UH 941 00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,560 Speaker 1: in these podcasts. 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