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Speaker 1: This is great as Escapes, a show bringing you the

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Speaker 1: wildest true escape stories. Now, today we're heading back to

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Speaker 1: World War Two and the biggest escape from an American

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Speaker 1: prisoner of war camp. I'm Martora Castro and today I'm

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Speaker 1: joined by the comedian Canadian and public radio sization of

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Speaker 1: Fida Eisenberg. Hi you, Fear, I thank you so much

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Speaker 1: doing this. I'm so happy to see you. We've met

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Speaker 1: once before when you were hosting Ask Me Another Live

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Speaker 1: on stage. Yes, Santo for Grace was on that pot

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Speaker 1: guests with me, and he wiped the floor with me.

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Speaker 1: Uh because there was a bunch of cereal questions. But

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Speaker 1: I had a fucking bliss and a trivia show.

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Speaker 2: Don't make don't make people think it was a serial podcast.

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Speaker 3: It was a trivia show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were talking about kidnapping, and suddenly he just

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Speaker 1: started he started asking him questions about Cereal.

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Speaker 3: It was super weird.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you something, what do you consider to

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Speaker 1: be your greatest escape?

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Speaker 3: You have a little bit of idea of this.

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Speaker 2: So I was living in Toronto and I decided that

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Speaker 2: I wanted to live in New York. Every stand up

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Speaker 2: comic and actor that I saw leave Toronto would do

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Speaker 2: this thing where they would throw up goodbye party for

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Speaker 2: themselves and then they would be like see later, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to pilot season in La or steal later like

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Speaker 2: make it yeah, And then some of them never moved.

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Speaker 1: Back, and many of them did, oh man, like it's

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Speaker 1: about having to come back with the table to your legs,

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Speaker 1: because I think most people when they move for an

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Speaker 1: artistic reason. Every you got everybody saying like okay, like

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Speaker 1: fucking see you in about a month, right, So.

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Speaker 3: I concocted this plan.

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Speaker 2: I go to get this rental car the next day,

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Speaker 2: and I started driving towards the border, just being.

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Speaker 3: Like, you never see me again, go to America.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna make it in New York City, baby, yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I got to the border to apply for this visa.

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Speaker 2: The guy said what are you applying for? I said,

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Speaker 2: graphic designer. He goes, where's the evidence of your work?

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Speaker 2: And I was like, I have evidence of my work

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Speaker 2: and he goes, well, did you go to school in

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Speaker 2: graphic designer? I was like no, no, I went to

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Speaker 2: school in cultural anthropology. And he was like, but it's okay.

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Speaker 2: Just go back home to Toronto and just get the

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Speaker 2: stuff together and bring it back, like you can bring

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Speaker 2: it back later today, you could bring it back tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: What'd you do? Well?

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Speaker 2: The line was really really long to get back to

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Speaker 2: go to Canada, and then I just saw a sign

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Speaker 2: that said Buffalo Airport forty miles and so I just

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Speaker 2: gunned it and looked in my rear view mirror the

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Speaker 2: whole time going like, this can't be happening. This can't

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Speaker 2: be happening. This can't be happening. Did I just blow

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Speaker 1: Oh my god?

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Speaker 3: And I was shaking the whole time.

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Speaker 2: And I dropped off the car at the Buffalo Airport

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Speaker 2: rental car Did you know you can do that? You

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Speaker 1: Going to say, for a fee and a small child

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Speaker 1: of your firstborn. And you got away with it.

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Speaker 2: sit here right now.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. But like, what a stroke of luck that,

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Speaker 1: after all that, you're suddenly in New York ready to

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Speaker 3: He's like, now I'm going to learn how to do

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Speaker 1: And now let me tell you about the story of

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Speaker 1: our great this escape. Are you ready?

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Speaker 3: I want to hear it.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. So far our story, we're heading down

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Speaker 1: to America's southern border, to a sweep of land that

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Speaker 1: covers fifteen hundred acres outside of Phoenix, Arizona. Today, it's

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Speaker 1: called Papago Park and it's this beautiful area covered with large,

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Speaker 1: Now why did the American government take that land? Besides

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Speaker 1: because it was filled with beautiful buttes, it was to

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Speaker 1: So the government put an army base in Papago Park.

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Speaker 1: So they even had to like blast it with dynamite

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Speaker 2: Stupid, right, Every prisoner just gets one stick and.

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Speaker 1: It was a coyote pushing that thing down.

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Speaker 3: So well, oh, that's my favorite cartoon.

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Speaker 1: So in nineteen forty four, the prison was used to

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Speaker 1: Papaco Park in January that year, they were put to

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Speaker 3: Did you say antelopes? By the way, did you.

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Speaker 1: Say, yeah? They kept packing antelopes into these massive surfaces.

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Speaker 2: I was like the antelopes would have grooved out to

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Speaker 1: So life in the prison was fairly routine for these soldiers, right,

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Speaker 1: and despite the fact that they were enemy combatants, security

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Speaker 1: prison guards were confident that no real escapes were possible. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is foreshadowing a little bit, but the show is

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Speaker 1: about escapes, right, So also, what the fuck man how

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Speaker 1: to go pack antelopes, Like that's unacceptable on so many

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Speaker 2: And also, is it Arizona not a prison in itself?

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Speaker 2: They actually need another thing.

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Speaker 1: That's it exactly so, which brings us to the fall

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Speaker 1: of nineteen forty four, when the prison plumber responsible for

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Speaker 1: is that sound of a fucking Oh? That is nasty

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Speaker 3: So funny.

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Speaker 2: Why that's such an innocuous noise and we're both just

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, It's just I don't know, because it's like,

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Speaker 1: So, the prison sewage pipes kept getting clogged. He would

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Speaker 1: for Christmas nineteen forty four. Actually, there had already been

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Speaker 1: It's like, these guys really wanted to get back into

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Speaker 1: who was being kept in this place?

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Speaker 3: What kind of person? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Like, also, there wasn't there one guy that was just like,

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Speaker 1: I love them. They're being like honor system about this,

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, actually, yeah, no, they'll come back. I know.

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Speaker 1: They love antelopes, they love candelops, they love the Beatles.

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Speaker 3: I love them all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The buttes are nice.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what they had before? Did they have buttes?

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Speaker 3: Have you seen the sky in Arizona?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So two of them were arrested in Tuson, but

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Speaker 1: the others made it all the way to Mexico before

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Speaker 1: The guards hadn't even realized that they were gone. Can

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Speaker 3: Those were the top notch guards.

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Speaker 1: They're like, oh, that's awkwreat I thought I just talked

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Speaker 1: So word got out to the local papers. Inspections around

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Speaker 3: This is the best prison ever.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that, like, when you're guarding literal Nazis,

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Speaker 3: It sounds a little bit like summer camp.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And so they also had crocheting, you know, they

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Speaker 1: So the lackadaisical attitude towards security was especially fucking nuts

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Speaker 1: right because the prison held German naval officers, and in

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Speaker 2: And they still found these guys with those three insane criteria.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't think I could be

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Speaker 2: I think in the beginning you would go crazy, and

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Speaker 2: then as time went on you would be like, you

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Speaker 2: know what, tubes looking nice today?

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Speaker 2: But I just think I really do think, like the

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Speaker 2: weirdest thing is that humans are unbelievably flexible, and that

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Speaker 2: if some if you just go like twenty more days

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Speaker 2: hash marks on the wall.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's what you would in prison too. That's

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Speaker 3: But I would also do it in the tube. It

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Speaker 3: would be a different form.

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Speaker 1: A prison, but that we know how you would spend

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Speaker 2: Submarine and I'd be like, you know what, I can

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Speaker 1: Nobody's asking you to do shit like so in this submarine.

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Speaker 1: on anytime, anytime underwater. These U boats, right, because they

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Speaker 1: were filled with fucking psychopaths. They're filling guys like Jurgen Wottenburg.

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Speaker 1: Look he's he's troking the antelope in such a beautiful way.

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Speaker 1: So at the beginning of the war, Jurgen was one

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Speaker 2: That's what I would do, Take all the batties and

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Speaker 1: Stupid fucking idea.

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Speaker 1: They're like, they're all the worst. Yeah, put them there together,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right right exactly, so they can all chat and

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Speaker 1: Thanks, I got it you. So the American prison guards

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Speaker 2: I guess you could go two tactics. It could be torture.

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Speaker 2: That would be like one tactic just to torture them,

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Speaker 2: and the other tactic would be like butter them up,

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what the army did. They in order to

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Speaker 2: Know, right back then, all the New Yorkers had to

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Speaker 2: Because Canada, if you think about right now, we don't

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Speaker 3: I have been asked before, you know, like well.

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Speaker 1: What Canadian army? What?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I just say, yeah, we have a cannon in

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Speaker 1: Another thing that they used to butter these guys up

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, I would have chopped, like, forget about the pool,

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Speaker 1: So, when things inside the prison felt like they were

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Speaker 1: It just crossed out all the time. It's happening soon

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Speaker 3: I like all these signs. I feel like it's like

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Speaker 1: They seem like, you know, Amy Poehler and mean girls

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Speaker 3: I love that they have positive affirmations, you know, escape.

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Speaker 1: You are seeing, you are loved. One American officer in

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Speaker 1: bad fat feel good for you, champ, you hero, go on?

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Speaker 2: That is that what? That's a number one attribut I'm

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Speaker 3: Hey do you do? You have bad feelings?

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Speaker 1: So that's like, go check. But man, I feel kind

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Speaker 3: Does anyone else feel queasy?

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Speaker 1: Mostly because there was a place in the middle. He

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Speaker 3: Was known a known blind spot.

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Speaker 1: And they're like, guys, that doesn't seem like a good idea,

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Speaker 3: Let's ignore the blind spot, how about you.

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Speaker 3: Oh my, this is the comedy of errors in prison style.

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Speaker 1: Is this should tell you something about this guy. He

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Speaker 3: Well, we know, I see what's happening.

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Speaker 1: You understand what they're getting. I feel like they were enamored.

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Speaker 1: There's an enamorment by these prison guards.

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Speaker 3: Who side were they on? Where's the mole?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Where's the mole? Oh my god, I love that reality

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Speaker 1: TV series? Don't get me right? So good? Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: fucking did. The first thing that the German captains did

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Speaker 1: part of the routine was whining. That's true. The guards

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Speaker 1: started to get regular complaints from you again, Vattenberg. He

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Speaker 1: uh god, can you.

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Speaker 3: Believe they do to make him feel better. I know

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Speaker 3: they were on it. I know they were like you.

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Speaker 1: I know that they didn't let him. They did not

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Speaker 2: About this story is they were like I everyone meet,

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Speaker 1: They were like, oh my god, we're so so, so

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Speaker 3: Urget is sad.

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Speaker 1: But you guys, you guys sorry. Is it reported by

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Speaker 1: the war No? No, no, no, Get's sad. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to plant daffodils today. So it wasn't a surprise.

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Speaker 1: One day you're going to approach the camp commander and

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Speaker 1: ask for some shovels for the flower bit You know, and.

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Speaker 2: Of course they were like, we will give you the biggest.

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Speaker 3: Heaviest shovel.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, do you need a tractor because I

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Speaker 3: The guns that look like shovels, do you want those?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. So for some of all about reason,

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Speaker 2: It's not like in the like a classic movie where

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, like what is this? Must be? What an

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Speaker 1: interesting design the shed maker created here? So they they

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Speaker 1: So that's when the Germans came up with the next idea.

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Speaker 1: They asked the guards if they could have a sports

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Speaker 3: Oh and what are they playing?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you guys. What are you think they're playing.

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Speaker 2: I think they're playing hide all of the tools and

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Speaker 1: They started creating a volleyball court in the middle of

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Speaker 1: but they called it the volleyball Kurten. And behind their backs,

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Speaker 1: different project. Surprise, Rice. They were actually working furiously to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 2: I was just gonna say the compound where all the

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Speaker 2: smarty pants are one hundred evil smarty pants dudes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was right next to the bathhouse. So

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Speaker 1: if you're a garden you're just like think thinking that

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Speaker 2: You know, we have established these guards are not thinking no,

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Speaker 1: Like, really, guys, get really clean.

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Speaker 2: Are you sure the sex workers weren't hanging out with

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Speaker 2: the guards because these guards seem oblivious.

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Speaker 1: They're distracted. They were playing. The guards were playing volleyball

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Speaker 3: very good at volleyball.

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Speaker 1: So the biggest challenge for the digging Nazis was what

442
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,119
Speaker 1: to do with the dirt as they made progress on

443
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 1: the tunnel. And at first they tried flushing it down

444
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,320
Speaker 1: the toilets in the bathhouse, but as you know, it

445
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,159
Speaker 1: caught them and risk their plans. Don't don't do that

446
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 1: sound again? Pleased? I will fucking die. Stop. Oh my god,

447
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 1: that's a real shitty sound. Sorry, Oh my god. So

448
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,680
Speaker 1: what's what I'm just listen. This is not a question

449
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,879
Speaker 1: of mine, but my producers want me to do it.

450
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,400
Speaker 1: So what is your best worst clog toilet experience?

451
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, oh my god.

452
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 2: Okay, I have one. It's very female centric. I'm not

453
00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,439
Speaker 2: embarrassed by it, but I bet you will be.

454
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:02,919
Speaker 3: That's true.

455
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 2: Okay, So I've a budding young teen and I have

456
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 2: a period like like young teens do, and I'm still

457
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 2: getting used to how everything works with the products right,

458
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,199
Speaker 2: And basically, you know, we lived in a house that

459
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 2: had a very ancient sewer system that you were not.

460
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 1: To pull the chain like it was like the right, it.

461
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 3: Was a sleeve on a pipe.

462
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 2: But no, it was always like, you know, don't even

463
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,160
Speaker 2: like put the good toilet paper down it kind of thing.

464
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 3: But you know, I'm a I'm a young teenager girl.

465
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Speaker 2: I'm on the run and I'm self obsessed with me

466
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 2: And i had my own room in the basement and

467
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,160
Speaker 2: there was a toilet there and anyways, it got clogged up.

468
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 2: It was overflowing, basically flooded the entire basement. But it

469
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 2: wasn't nothing could be seen what it was just water,

470
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 2: and so my mother had to you know, hire a plumber.

471
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 2: They went into another room in the basement, took apart

472
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Speaker 2: these ancient pipes that hadn't been taken apart in a

473
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 2: hundreds of years.

474
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was like lead poisoning warnings. And then they.

475
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 2: Pulled out one super tampon holy smoked and it was

476
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 2: it was rinsed clean, so it was just white in case.

477
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't care, I'm just surprised by the

478
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 1: fucking expansion.

479
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 3: It was basically like a cotton umbrel.

480
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Speaker 1: Were you dying as a teenage girl when you found

481
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Speaker 1: it out.

482
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 2: It was like a full denial now, and we need

483
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 2: to talk about what the fuck he's doing in those battoms.

484
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 1: Also, I didn't help. The diplumbers were all shirtless and

485
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: incredibly hot like so there.

486
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 3: Was men as far as the eye could see in

487
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Speaker 3: every direction.

488
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: The clogpipes bring us to the flower beds in the

489
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: volleyball court. Once those projects had been approved, that German

490
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 1: prisoners started smuggling dirt out in the open right, raking

491
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: evenly across volleyball court and mixing it into the planting soil.

492
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: Once the guards got used to seeing piles of dirt

493
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 1: scattered around, they didn't really think much of it, even

494
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: when the piles seemed to never get any smaller and

495
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: they're like, that's fucking weird. The digging prisoners took it

496
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: in turns to work through October and November and into December.

497
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: Outside the fence, there was a drainage stage they had

498
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Speaker 1: to get past, which meant that the tunnel had to

499
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 1: go even deeper underground.

500
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Speaker 4: Now.

501
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: To light the tunnel, the Germans used a single bulb

502
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: on the bare wire that connected back through the tunnel

503
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: into a socket in the bathhouse.

504
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

505
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 2: They had like a they well, I guess engineers and

506
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 2: all this working together.

507
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: Of course, the water and bear wiring met that the

508
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: wire shocked them as they work, which makes me fucking laugh. Yeah. Now,

509
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 1: digging the tunnel was only one part of the preparations.

510
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: The Germans also started storing food, maps, and other supplies

511
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 1: for the journey. They forged papers by making US government

512
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 1: stamps that they could use to approve documents. Looking at

513
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: the map, time, do you say they made them? Yes,

514
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,959
Speaker 1: the fors papers by making government stamps.

515
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 3: There are This is not just flower beds and.

516
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: No, no, no in these rocks. I know, I know.

517
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: It's just like, you know, they have that military mentality

518
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: and like sort of like fucking you.

519
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 2: Know, and every day they're just asking for more materials.

520
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 2: They're like, we're gonna need some.

521
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: That's not related, but we're gonna need a swimsuit. Uh,

522
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna need We're gonna need a Do you guys

523
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 1: have a vacuum cleaner up here in.

524
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 3: The printing press. We're gonna need a printing press.

525
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: It was the beginning of three D printing. Not a

526
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: lot of people know this. So looking at the map,

527
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: three of the Germans even decided that they were going

528
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: to build a boat. They saw that the Hilo River

529
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: ran south into Mexico, so they plan to carry raft

530
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: through the tunnel and use it to float to freedom.

531
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 1: God so, okay, this is crazy. They tested out each

532
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: part of their boat in the prison bathtub before disassembling

533
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: it to be carried through the tunnel.

534
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 2: What kind of beautiful, large sized bathtub. First of all,

535
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: prisons don't have bathtubs.

536
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: There was clawfoot. It was just like palm trees are out.

537
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 3: It fantastic.

538
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: So one of the craziest things that the Germans engineered

539
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: was a makeshift radio receiver. They used wire, racial blades,

540
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: and other savage pieces of equipment and they tapped into

541
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: the prison sparb wire fence to use it as an antenna.

542
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: The radio receiver was so effective that they were able

543
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: to pick up Nazi radio broadcasts from the German propaganda ministry.

544
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: It allowed them to follow the news of the war

545
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: from the Nazi perspective. Can you believe how?

546
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 2: I mean again, why did they have to do all

547
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 2: of this? They could have just said, we need a

548
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 2: radio and a transmitter.

549
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 1: They're going, You're right, why didn't it?

550
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 3: Just as they just they're kidding everything else?

551
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 2: Like I need it for I need to I like

552
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 2: to talk to people when I'm bathing.

553
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, Sandy, how is it going? How is little

554
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: h my God? Also, like I don't know, you know,

555
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: not not because of the story, but just in general.

556
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: I have some friends that are so handy at building

557
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: shit out of nothing, and I just realize how ill

558
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: equipped I would be for the apocalypse, you know what

559
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'd just like be wandering around be like,

560
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: does anybody need acting?

561
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 4: Oh?

562
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 3: Trust me, I have thought about this a million times.

563
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 2: I'd be like, I'm going to lighten the mood.

564
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: So because they had a radio. When the Nazi army

565
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: launched the Battle of the bulg in Europe in December

566
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: nineteen forty four, the prisoners in Compound one A were

567
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: able to fall along and celebrate the advance of the

568
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: German tanks across Belgium, which in and of itself the

569
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: Battle of the Bulch was a fucking insane plan by

570
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: a drug addicted hitler. And I don't know how much

571
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: you know about it, but I don't.

572
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, when you said Battle of

573
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: the Bulch, I was like, that's where we got it from, yeah, right,

574
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: because I was just like, I've only heard this in

575
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 2: context of like dumb weight loss, but obviously, oh really,

576
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: I have.

577
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: Never heard the term outside of the outside of the battle. Basically,

578
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: he knew he was losing the war, he was losing

579
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: in the East, and now he had gotten invaded in

580
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: D Day in the West. So fucking absolute meth head

581
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: that he was, he decided to throw everything everything he had,

582
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: full court press, full court press, so that they couldn't

583
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: make it to the port. But they were all the

584
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: way back out to Germany, I believe, and they'd worked

585
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: at first, which is a crazy thing. They threw all

586
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: their tanks or every available tank commanders over to the

587
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: Allies and then in they are. Then forest was where

588
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: they finally stopped because nobody sent them with extra fuel.

589
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: They just had to calculate that they have enough fuel

590
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: to get to a port and then capture the fuel supplies.

591
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: But if it didn't work. There's just no point to

592
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: this fucking advance because if they had no fuel, it

593
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: would get up number one and number two. They didn't

594
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: have enough troops to hold any of this territory, so

595
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: it was literally just an insane.

596
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 3: Fucking suicide for all these people.

597
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: It was a scary kind of to the Allies because

598
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: you're getting attacked out and it was just like, you

599
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: can't fucking win this. Why are we fighting? And it

600
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: just goes to show you how fanatical people were and

601
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: listening to every order even if it made no sense

602
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: and it meant their death. Now that you know, I

603
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: love this. Some World War two histories are going to

604
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: fact check the shit out of me.

605
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: If anyone writes into fact check you on anything. Just

606
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: realize you've made their day?

607
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 4: Is it? That's it?

608
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: They spend twenty four hours.

609
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 3: Say happy right now.

610
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: So back in the German camp, five days before Christmas,

611
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: the tunnel was complete. Both ends were this guy's with

612
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: boards and brush, and it was time to put the

613
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: rest of their escape plane into action. On the night

614
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: of the summer of twenty third, nineteen forty four, the

615
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: German prisoners threw a party next door in Compound one

616
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: B the guards try to shut them down a few times.

617
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: So they were busy going in and out of Compound

618
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: one all night.

619
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 3: Ye, here's what works at a prison.

620
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: Why stop?

621
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: So so all right, it's fun, it's fun.

622
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah, so the quiet, the quiet, Compound

623
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: one A got no attention. Just before nine pm, the

624
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: escape plan began. The twenty five soldiers organized into small,

625
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: three man flight groups. He started dropping down into the tunnels.

626
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: The tunnel was almost two hundred feet long, and it

627
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: crossed under two lines of fences and even the perimeter

628
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 1: road that went around the park. It took more than

629
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: a half an hour for each group to crawl through

630
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: to the other side. Prisoners who stay behind the Papaco

631
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: Park closed up the tunnel once they were through. What

632
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: would you think if you were just one of the

633
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: dudes that was left be hiding, like, but you are

634
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: coming back, right? I was just wet here.

635
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: Well, this sounds like they're like, you guys threw a

636
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: party while we escape. I'd be like that, no, no,

637
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: wait this second.

638
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 3: No, no, yeah, that was what the party was.

639
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: We like people that were like wait what I was

640
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: having a fucking green.

641
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: It was just like a blower just like.

642
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: The far end of the tunnel opened into a clump

643
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: of bushes on the bank of a nearby canal. As

644
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: the men started to emerge, he found that it was

645
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: raining super hard. It was a cold December desert rain,

646
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: but all the same, it will help screen their escape.

647
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: So they even got lucky with the weather. That never

648
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 2: happens for.

649
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: Just for a little while. As each flight group had

650
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: made it through the passage, they slid down into the canal,

651
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: where the water was about three feet deep. If they

652
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: stayed load, the escapees could then wade quietly forward, and

653
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: the canal banks would keep them out of sight from

654
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: any prison guards looking their way. How the fuck the

655
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: army thought that this was inescapable. There's like an escape

656
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: highway right outside. I will never know.

657
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: Oh, Like, when you're building a tunnel, don't you think

658
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: like when you get to the end, like you wouldn't

659
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: just be like, Okay, now I'm going to go back

660
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: and wait for the plan.

661
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: Wouldn't you just go well.

662
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like, I wouldn't have the

663
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: wherewithal to be Like, I'm like, fuck those guys they

664
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: were having a party. I'm I'm just gonna pelt it

665
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: out here. I'm just gonna run fast and make a

666
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: lot of noise. I think that's how it was got so.

667
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: Once the Germans moved far enough to be out of

668
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: side of the prison, the flight groups went their separate ways.

669
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: They all look for places to lay low. The three

670
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: men carrying the pieces of the boat marched west towards Phoenix.

671
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: They found a public school that was locked, and they

672
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: went inside, where they prepared for their journey down the

673
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: Hilo River, which they were going to reach the very

674
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: next day. Oh Captain Jurgen Wattenburg took the other two

675
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: men and marched northwest into the hills around Phoenix. They

676
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: found a cave where they would hide out and plot

677
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: their next move, And with that, twenty five German navymen

678
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: had achieved the largest mass escape from any American prison

679
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: camp in World War Two.

680
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: Dun Dun Dunn.

681
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: But for some of these ski piece so journey did

682
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: not last long. One twenty two year old soldier only

683
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: lasted one day because after being pounded by cold rain,

684
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: here we go, dring in the cold canal and trying

685
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: to eat a meal of dried Brent cubs that he

686
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: had packed for himself in his pockets, which is so

687
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: fucking stupid it makes me laugh.

688
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: That's like ridiculous. One of them was dumb.

689
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: One of them was incredibly dumb. He was the guy

690
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: that was like, I thought we were going back to

691
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: the pat I don't know what they don't. So he

692
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: hitchhike directly to the local sheriff and asked to be

693
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: brought back to the prison. The sheriff called Papaco Park

694
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: just as prison officials. We're discovering the missing men the

695
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: next day. Also, the descert gets really fucking cold to night,

696
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: so I'm thinking, particularly in the winter, you get rained,

697
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: you're a fucked Yeah.

698
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: Can you imagine how great your life is at that

699
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 2: prison if you escape and with the taste of freedom,

700
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: you go, this is hard.

701
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: I should go back.

702
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm going back with the sex work stuff. And like

703
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: they have baths, they have cloth to baths, Like no

704
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: one does that.

705
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: No one's Like I'm a prisoner of war in another country.

706
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: I escaped and it's like feels hard and I'm hungry.

707
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: God, I have one hundred and fifty percent. You are

708
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: so fucking rare, Like there is no prison where you

709
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: exactly where you're Like we were you suddenly don't have

710
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: a fucking five force meal and you're like, actually, I

711
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: don't mind. I'm not it's not for me. Not for me.

712
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: I liked it when I had friends.

713
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: What a great point of me. So other flight groups

714
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: have been less lucky in trying to find spots to hide,

715
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: so instead of empty schools and farms, at least two

716
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: of them went directly into a farmhouse and knocked on

717
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: the door on Christmas Eve asking for food and shelter.

718
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: They were quickly turned in by no, no, no, not

719
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: in Christmas. They're like, well not Christmas. Any other day, Yes,

720
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: we would have your picking cantalope.

721
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: The army jumped into the day It's family, Yes, it's right.

722
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: The day it was vin Diesel actually at the time

723
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: catching all of them, so they called them the FBI,

724
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: the Border Patrol, and every other agency that would lend

725
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: a hand. A reward was offered of twenty five dollars

726
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: for each German pow captured. That's like four hundred dollars

727
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: of today's money. But yeah, I don't no, no, it

728
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like they would trying very hard.

729
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, no, Like how much do you get when

730
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 3: you win the voice.

731
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: They're like, I don't know. We got twenty dollars at

732
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: a bus pass. Anybody any takers.

733
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: Yes, it should be the equivalent to one million dollars.

734
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: So ranchers, farmers, and local trackers all started combing the desert.

735
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: Once they found the prisoners tracks, it was actually pretty easy.

736
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: Most of the fight groups were caught as they tried

737
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: to cross the desert on foot, but the V shapes

738
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: had been cut into the soles of the prison shoes,

739
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: so their tracks easily stood out. They're like, it's either

740
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: here or there's like some mighty offensive ostriches walking around.

741
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: Oh that's hilarious. No one ever thought to do that

742
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: to change their so whatever.

743
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: Had a little arrow, like literally, it had a little

744
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: arrow pointing in the direction that they went.

745
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 4: So this.

746
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: Is getting more and more road runner every single second.

747
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: But what about the three boatmen. You know, they might

748
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: have actually escaped if there wasn't a major flaw in

749
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: their nautical plan. Not with a boat, mind you. That

750
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: worked great because they tried it out in their beautiful

751
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: claw foot bath the but they dragged it thirty miles

752
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: over the desert and finally they'd reached the Heelo River,

753
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: and here, my friends, was a flaw. Germans had assumed

754
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: that if a map showed the river, they would count

755
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: on a river. But what they didn't know was that

756
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: by December, the Heel River was hardly more than a

757
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: trickle running through puddles a mud, so there was nowhere

758
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: they could flow their fucking boat. Got your motherfucking I

759
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: can just it just gives me such joy, like I imagine.

760
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 1: And they try to just like slush through the shit

761
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: like it's not working. It's not working, just thick mud

762
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: and shale. And you've spent.

763
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 2: Hours building a boat ahead of the finest days.

764
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could have been playing volleyball this.

765
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 3: Entire time, Yes, smelling roses.

766
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: They try to find deeper spots to launch, but they

767
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: could never go down more than the short stretch of

768
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: the muddy river bed before they would get stuck again. Eventually,

769
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: they abandoned the boat and decided to walk. Two days later,

770
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: when they stopped for a breather, two of the men

771
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: laid down for a nap, and the third decided he

772
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: would take a bath and wash his underwear. Okay, and

773
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: that's what he was doing when the cowboys caught up

774
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: with him. They literally found him with his pants down. Ah,

775
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: how about the rest of the slippery Nazis. Well, one

776
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: of the eskps ended up breaking down under questioning and

777
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: telling the prison guards how it all went down. Following

778
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 1: his testimony, they finally discovered the hidden tunnel. The other

779
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: German prisoners had been hoping that if they didn't give

780
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: the tunnel away, the guards would never find it and

781
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: other prisoners could use it again to escape the future.

782
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: Another one of the escapees gave up after he had

783
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: a run in with a Chola cactus. The spines had

784
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: dug their wig into his foot and he didn't know

785
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: how to deal with it. It hurts so fucking bad

786
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: that they just asked the farmer to drive them back

787
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: to the station. Apparently the Chola actors is also the

788
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: worst kind of thing. Oh yeah, fucking haha, Nazi piece

789
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: of shit.

790
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 4: So, just like the Battle, Tarantino came into this podcast.

791
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so ha ha ha yeah what I like what?

792
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 1: I like his stories. I like stories because it's fun,

793
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: because it's fun. Violence, it's fun. So that's my terrible

794
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: one to replace. I guess I'm not getting cast in

795
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: his last film. Shit.

796
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: So just like the Battle of the bulls.

797
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: The escape was a big Nazi plan that made splashy

798
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: headlines before ending in complete fucking failure, and the last

799
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: Gairman call was whiny little Jurorgan Vazenburg. He mentioned to

800
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: hide out in his cave until the end of January,

801
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: when he tried to make his way to a train

802
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: in Phoenix. He went to a hotel, had dinner, and

803
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: then asked a gas station attendant the way to the

804
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: train station. Now, fortunately the attendant had recognized Wattenburg. The

805
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: Arizona Republic had just published a story about him that

806
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: morning titled the big Shots Still at Large. When the

807
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: police stopped Addenburg, he said, I'm the big shot you

808
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: are looking for.

809
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the guy had way too much ego.

810
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. So in the end, all of the Germans were

811
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: recaptured in the state of Arizona. People around Phoenix were

812
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: especially furious when the Arizona Republic reported that some of

813
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: the escapees were caught with milk, gum, tobacco, and slaps

814
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: of bacon in their fucking packs.

815
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 4: It was clear just slaps, some just thick cut bacon, which,

816
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 4: by the way, bacon, as you may know, is and

817
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 4: I'm sure at the time the luxury food.

818
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: That is the luxury food.

819
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, foods. There's very little I won't do

820
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: for some thick cut bacon.

821
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: It was the most expensive. If you raise pigs, it

822
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: means that you don't. You're like, because pigs are. They

823
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: don't do anything else.

824
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: They just exist and they cuddle and then they die

825
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: for you to have some bacon. Yeah, all of our

826
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: vegan all of our vegan listeners are like, fuck you, guys.

827
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: We know how it works. We've been telling you for centuries. Sorry, guys.

828
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,959
Speaker 1: So it was clear that the prisoners had been giving

829
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: things that were scarce at the time, while most of

830
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: the country was rationing for the war. The papers made

831
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: sure to point out that the prison at Papago Park

832
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: held the most ruthless and fanatical Nazis, for instance, like

833
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: fucking Jurgen. After in nineteen forty five, he got sent

834
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: back to Germany. There he put his prison experience to

835
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: good use. He became the branch manager of the Bavaria

836
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: and Saint Pauli Brewery in Luba.

837
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? This guy talk about failing up.

838
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: They talk about men failing up in life, but this guy,

839
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 2: oh my god.

840
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: For like Nazis fucking failing up makes me particularly mad.

841
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: Like but brewery, they're like, well, this is like give

842
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 1: him a beer, give okay, fine, RelA tiation him was lesson.

843
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: Give him a beer. Give him as many beers as

844
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: he won.

845
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 3: The Jurugan's got a couple stories? Oh really does? You're

846
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: gonna have a couple of stories.

847
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: And the brewery has since been demolished, but the legend

848
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: says that you can still hear his whiny, little shitty

849
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: voice on the Southwest. That's it, that's the sound hear it.

850
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 3: I am not in the.

851
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: And that is our story. Thank you so much, a

852
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: fear for coming.

853
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: You know what, Jurgen is the luckiest motherfucker, laniest motherfucker

854
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 2: I've ever heard of.

855
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 1: But what is what is the biggest takeaway from the story?

856
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: What do you think you're going to remember from it?

857
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: You know, if you look at it from the point

858
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: of view, is that in the beginning, you know, at

859
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: one point in the story we were talking about how

860
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: the Germans were coddled in order for the Americans to

861
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: get information out of him.

862
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 3: That was the tactic.

863
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: But if you look at this crazy like insanity of

864
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: the lifestyle they were given. How stupid these guards were

865
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: in Arizona. You just like I'm amazed that any of

866
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: this is possible.

867
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: Listen, I gotta tell you, this has been some of

868
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: the most fun I've had during episode.

869
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: That's very sweet.

870
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: I loved, I loved, I learned a little something, so

871
00:39:58,760 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: thank you, Urduro.

872
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: Thank you.

873
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 4: Well.

874
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: I think when they fact check me, it turns out

875
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: that none of this was true, but we learned to

876
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: get it. But the Angelope thing was her with you.

877
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: When for our listeners, where can they find you?

878
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: Oh, they can find me in all the socials at

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Speaker 1: Awesome, Thank you so much, Afirah. We'll see you next time,

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Speaker 1: and here's a mop of music to play us out.

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Speaker 1: Grady's Escapes is a production of iHeartRadio and Film Nation

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Speaker 1: Entertainment in association with Gilded Audio. Our executive producers from

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Speaker 1: Audio and Dylan Fagan from iHeartRadio. The show is produced

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Speaker 1: and edited by Carl Nellis and Ben Chubb, who are also, respectively,

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Speaker 1: our research overlord and music Overlord. Our associate producer is

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Speaker 1: Tory Smith, who's our other overlord. Nick Dooley is our

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Speaker 1: technical director. Additional editing by Whitney Donaldson. Special thanks to

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Speaker 1: Alison Cohen, Dan Welsh, Ben Riizek, Sarah Joyner, Nicki Stein,

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Speaker 1: Olivia Canny, and Kelsey Albright. Hey, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: personally and thank you, and we'll see you all next

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