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Speaker 1: Hey, Andy McCulla is back on the show. We love

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Speaker 1: having you on here, so thanks again for the time Andy.

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Speaker 1: Give him a follow app by McCullough. You can also

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Speaker 1: check out his book The Last of His Kind, which

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Speaker 1: is quite relevant right now as we see the very

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Speaker 1: very twilight of Clayton Kershaw's career here. Maybe he'll pop

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Speaker 1: into a game or two in the World Series. Anyway, Andy,

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Speaker 1: good to see you. So, first off, you know, we

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Speaker 1: haven't had a show since the Dodgers absolutely finished dominating

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Speaker 1: the Brewers.

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Speaker 2: So your thoughts on the.

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Speaker 1: Series as a whole and how they look heading into

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Speaker 1: the World Series because you covered this team you know,

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Speaker 1: on the beat for a while too, Like, is this

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Speaker 1: as good as it gets right now?

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Speaker 3: I mean they're certainly playing at an extremely high rate,

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Speaker 3: and they're pitching is so strong right now.

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Speaker 4: I mean the starting pitching you know, snow Yamamoto, Glass,

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Speaker 4: now the other I forget the fourth guy's name. They

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Speaker 4: were all really really good against the Brewers. And so yeah,

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Speaker 4: they get a good amount of time off. They're going

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Speaker 4: to a you know team in Seattle or Toronto, who's

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Speaker 4: you know, gonna have to go to a game seven

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Speaker 4: and use their bullpen. Even with the you know, the

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Speaker 4: days off, there will be a little gas. The Dodgers

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Speaker 4: can set everything up, you know, So Snell and Yamamoto

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Speaker 4: and some order are set up for one and two

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Speaker 4: I don't know if this is like the best Dodgers

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Speaker 4: it's certainly one that peaked at exactly the right time.

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Speaker 5: Well, they didn't know what they planned on the whole year.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know why everyone's so surprised.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 5: Only one of us had them won in their power

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Speaker 5: rankings the entire year, and you know how much I'd

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Speaker 5: love power ranking, So I just want to say that

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Speaker 5: I had him won the entire year.

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Speaker 2: Never faltered, unlike a lot of people on this show.

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Speaker 5: But this is what they were set up for the

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Speaker 5: regular They knew they were going to make the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: They weren't worried about it.

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Speaker 5: They said, oh, this guy's a little sore, will give

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Speaker 5: them time off, this guy, this, this guy that, blah

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Speaker 5: blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: They got in the postseason.

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Speaker 5: Everyone was worried because they had to play the the

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Speaker 5: Reds who they dispatched like two to seven and two

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Speaker 5: games or whatever it was, right, and then they had

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Speaker 5: to go play the Brewers, who had the best record

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Speaker 5: in baseball, and they dispatch them. Then they had to

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Speaker 5: go you know, it's like come on, like it was,

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Speaker 5: there was never the game. The Phillies were the ones

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Speaker 5: where were like, Okay, they have a chance. Right now

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Speaker 5: we're in the World Series. I know they have time off,

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Speaker 5: but did they care who they play? Because this team

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Speaker 5: was set up to win these series with overwhelming starting pitching,

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Speaker 5: overwhelming number of arms in the bullpen, and an overwhelming

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Speaker 5: lineup made up of MVPs at all stars.

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Speaker 2: This is the team that they envisioned.

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Speaker 5: And now last year they might not have had it,

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Speaker 5: but here they are again and we can see how

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Speaker 5: good they are.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure, like you know, from a

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Speaker 4: they probably would like prefer to play the Mariners just

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Speaker 4: because their offense strikes out a little bit more Toronto,

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Speaker 4: you know, puts the ball in play, and so that

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Speaker 3: But in general, they don't care. They're set up really well.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna have Blake Snell going in game one and

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Speaker 4: Yamamoto behind them, and they have Shoheotani leading off every

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Speaker 4: like they're they believe they're the best team in baseball.

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Speaker 4: As you said, you know, it's not that they don't

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Speaker 4: care about the regular season per se, but they have

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Speaker 3: They've just become fixated on, like.

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Speaker 4: How do we get to October one as healthy as possible?

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Speaker 4: And so, you know, Blake Snell was given probably a

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Speaker 4: little bit more time this summer to recover from a

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Speaker 4: have had on a team that felt like it needed

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Speaker 4: have targeted players in acquiring them who have more upside

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Speaker 4: these are not guys who are gonna throw two hundred innings.

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Speaker 3: There are guys.

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Speaker 4: These are guys though, who if you give them the

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Speaker 4: ball in a playoff game, you feel pretty good about it.

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Speaker 4: You know, they've carried Key k Hernandez these last two

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Speaker 4: He's a really, really vital part of their offense. And

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Speaker 4: so yeah, I mean they've made a lot of concessions

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Speaker 4: and that, like they're not trying to win one hundred

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Speaker 4: and ten games during the regular season.

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Speaker 3: They're trying to win the last game in the postseason.

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Speaker 6: This team, after they beat the Yankees last year, they

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Speaker 6: got a little bit drunk and talked a little bit

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Speaker 6: of smack on the Yankees. This is the most smack

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Speaker 6: talk you've ever heard from Dave Roberts. His comments when

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Speaker 6: he was on the podium. That does that make you

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Speaker 6: feel like they hear people saying they're ruining baseball and

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Speaker 6: they're saying poo on you guys. And is that the

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Speaker 6: most smack talk you've ever heard from Dave Roberts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was That was pretty good. That was pretty strong.

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Speaker 4: I mean I think, yeah, they clearly are aware of

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Speaker 4: what the narratives are. You know, they're not like shut

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Speaker 4: much that affects guys on a day to day basis,

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Speaker 4: because like, playing baseball is extremely hard, as you know,

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Speaker 4: it's creeps into their like day to day preparation things

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Speaker 4: like that, but yeah, like offspring training all day, they

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Speaker 4: all had to answer questions about how they were you know,

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Speaker 4: quote unquote ruining baseball during the season. You know, they

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Speaker 4: had to deal with the idea of like, oh, you

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Speaker 4: so yeah, when you get a chance to win the Pennant,

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Speaker 4: you know you can do a little bit. You know,

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Speaker 4: you can treat it like it's you know, taste myself

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Speaker 3: And they've earned it.

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Speaker 2: Listen, listen, listen, listen.

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Speaker 5: I think the Dodgers are the best team. Okay, I've

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Speaker 5: said it from day one. But here's my thing. There's

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Speaker 5: this whole narrative. Now, if the Dodgers win the World Series,

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Speaker 5: it's more of a thing a case for a salary cab,

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Speaker 5: and it's.

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Speaker 2: More it's so bad for a bit.

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Speaker 5: I disagree, because you know what it shows me, if

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Speaker 5: you spend you got a chance to win, if you

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Speaker 5: go out and build organizational depth and you do the

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Speaker 5: right things in the minor leagues, because there are a

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Speaker 5: bunch of guys on this team that were brought up

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Speaker 5: through the system and have helped contribute. Will Smith comes

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Speaker 5: Andy Piez is another guy that came through the system

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Speaker 5: and now they are here helping. Okay, if you do

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Speaker 5: it right and you spend money the right way, then

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Speaker 5: you actually get to win. The fans come out, the

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Speaker 5: TV market's better, people buy you know, now there's only

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Speaker 5: one show. Hey, I get it, but I don't understand

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Speaker 5: this narrative of oh man, the Dodgers are gonna win,

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Speaker 5: so we need a salary cap. NFL has a salary cap.

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Speaker 5: Patrick mahomes in the Super Bowl every year. NBA has

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Speaker 5: a salary cap. Lebron James and his three amigos are

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Speaker 2: Finals every year. Look at Florida.

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Speaker 5: Florida owns the Stanley Cup, right, we own the Stanley

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Speaker 5: Cup the state of Florida.

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Speaker 2: It's now the Florida's Cup. We give up Lord Stanley. Okay,

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Speaker 2: but why is this such a narrative?

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Speaker 5: And I love Dave Roberts pushing back on it because

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Speaker 5: I think it's good for the game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's that's certainly an argument.

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Speaker 4: I think just the idea that, look, the salary cap

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Speaker 4: is something that the owners have wanted since the dawn

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Speaker 3: The union you know, will not cross.

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Speaker 4: And so I think the idea that what happened in

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Speaker 3: A cap is silly.

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Speaker 4: However, it what majorly what the what the owners want

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Speaker 4: is to like, for lack of a better term, see

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Speaker 4: CBA talks like, I don't know if it's going to

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Speaker 6: It was kind of easy for them to say this

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Speaker 4: I mean you are asking for a big hurdle though,

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Speaker 5: Okay, Edie, you were talking about show Hey. Forget show Hey.

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Speaker 2: A little more near and dear to your heart. That's

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Speaker 5: The Dodgers are about to clinch the World Series and

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Speaker 5: you know who they bring in to clinch it, Clayton Kershaw.

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Speaker 2: They have a big enough lead and they bring him in.

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Speaker 5: Now, wouldn't that be a cool like, wouldn't that be

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Speaker 2: Is say they're whatever game they're in and they're winning.

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Speaker 5: This thing, and they have a five or six run lead,

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Speaker 3: That would certainly be, yeah, the movie version of how

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Speaker 4: I mean, Dave Roberts does have a flair for the

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Speaker 4: They really really like what they're getting out of him.

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Speaker 3: In the closing role. So I don't know if they'd

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Speaker 4: But if you were drawing it up and like how

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Speaker 4: that would certainly be up there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be good for book sales.

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Speaker 2: You could write another book.

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Speaker 1: On the roundtable to his pod, so it would help

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Speaker 1: you the little chichin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're still doing book plates. Someone send me an email,

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Speaker 3: please book plates.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 1: I hope. And there's no code because we have a

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Speaker 3: I think they're just giving them away at this point.

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Speaker 3: I think that.

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Speaker 4: I think there's just there's thousands of copies still available.

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Speaker 4: They're just being donated to libraries everywhere.

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Speaker 6: They're propping up tables that are uneven.

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I know somebody, I know somebody. He wrote

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Speaker 6: Well for our two authors, A J. And me are

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Speaker 1: Thanks for hopping on with us, appreciate it and we'll

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Speaker 1: catch it soon.

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Speaker 3: Okay, no problem, Thanks for having me.

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