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Speaker 1: Welcome to another of the Giants Little podcast, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Citizens, the official bank of the New York Giants.

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmaal, coming to you from the Giants

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Speaker 1: Podcast Studio, presented by Hackensack and Marity Health. Keep getting

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Speaker 1: better with fre agency kind of get going this week.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot in flux the first few days during

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Speaker 1: that legal negotiating period, when deals aren't announced, they're not signed,

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Speaker 1: they're not official. So with so many things happening so fast,

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Speaker 1: I didn't think it made sense to really dive into

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Speaker 1: free agency because things can quickly become old news and

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Speaker 1: become contradictory if the facts on the ground change.

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Speaker 2: So I decide to do some a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: Today, we're gonna welcome in Cody Alexander from match quarters

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Speaker 1: dot Com. He's done a really deep dive look at

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Speaker 1: Dinard Wilson, what he does on defense, what he did

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Speaker 1: on defense with the Titans, and we're gonna dive into that, and.

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Speaker 2: Now we welcome in our guest.

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Speaker 1: He is Cody Alexander match quarters dot Com, the Let's

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Speaker 1: Talk Ball podcast front of the program joined us a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago.

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Speaker 2: Cody, how are you man? It's good to talk to

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Speaker 2: you and how you've been.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, doing great. Just have the best job in the world. Man,

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Speaker 3: I watched football. I'm talking about football all day long.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're We're very lucky you, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: You did a really big breakdown on match quarters dot Com.

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Speaker 1: It could be linked on your Twitter feed at the

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Speaker 1: underscore coach underscore A.

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Speaker 2: You can find it on there. Folks about Donard Wilson.

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Speaker 1: So before we start getting into details, give me your

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Speaker 1: twenty thousand foot view of what Donard Wilson's defense was

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Speaker 1: with the Titans and what Giant should expect he wanted.

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Speaker 3: He came into this season wanting to run a Ravens

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Speaker 3: He called it Ravens light defense. So it's a base

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Speaker 3: three four. Obviously you're going to play a lot of nickel.

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Speaker 3: He where his departure really from McDonald is that he

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Speaker 3: wanted to run a lot of press quarters. So he

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Speaker 3: wanted corners that could press. That's why they went and

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Speaker 3: got lagerious need from the Chiefs. He wanted to have

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Speaker 3: guys that could really kind of hold down on the

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Speaker 3: outside on their own. He was going to run a

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Speaker 3: bunch of these you know, the thing with the Raven

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Speaker 3: meaning that they're going to show a bunch of different

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Speaker 3: of that, he wanted to have a lot of coverage rotation.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of been the trend the past couple of

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Speaker 3: years of we really want to have a bunch of

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Speaker 3: coverage disguises, so what we look pre snap is not

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Speaker 3: what we're going to look post snap. Kind of taking

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Speaker 3: that onus away from the OC and putting it on

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Speaker 3: the quarterback. That's what he came into the season really

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Speaker 3: wanting to do. What ended up happening, though, is that

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Speaker 3: they really didn't have any linebackers. The corner situation there

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Speaker 3: Snead was constantly hurt all year, the other corner. It

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Speaker 3: what ended up happening is that he pivoted more to

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Speaker 3: it became he called it a two man front. Essentially,

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Speaker 4: So that's what he wanted to do coming into this year,

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Speaker 3: Of roster wise, he had to really simplify and really

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Speaker 1: If that makes sense, No, it does, all right, So

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Speaker 1: let's start with the coverage part of this, because I

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Speaker 2: He went to a lot of zone.

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Speaker 1: Last year you talked about what he did a lot

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Speaker 3: So he plays a very match heavy zone, and match

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Speaker 3: they're in his zone scheme, he's either you know, closing

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Speaker 4: And that's that's really what he wants.

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Speaker 3: He wanted big, physical corners that could press. That's something

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Speaker 1: When I watched them of his stuff, it looked like

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Speaker 3: And that is again, that's that is pretty much where

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Speaker 3: But to your point, you're going to have a down

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Speaker 1: And that's how you try to eliminate that that middle

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Speaker 3: And so the misnomer about Quarters in particular is that

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Speaker 3: There's nobody in the post. That's why you get Tampa

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Speaker 3: middle run through Quarters is different. These are vision halfs

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Speaker 2: And it's funny what I'll say to fans.

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Speaker 1: You now you can have access to this to NFL

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Speaker 1: that means, you know what, if you can figure it

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Speaker 2: We're not very I'm not very good at this.

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Speaker 1: The pros are gonna know what you're in a about

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Speaker 3: And and it's actually like because anybody that knows me

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Speaker 3: I was been a dB coach forever. I love coverages.

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Speaker 3: I studied it all the time. There's there's definitely like

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Speaker 3: the way that we're getting to how teams are starting

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Speaker 3: the way, especially the backside or playing vision and cross

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Speaker 3: rewind or I'll get wrong and I'll have somebody like

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Speaker 3: And I was like, no way, And then I go

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Speaker 3: I see that hash safety is really leaning to the

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Speaker 3: So that's that's what I really mean by the marriage

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Speaker 2: Hoddle up, get in here. If you're lined up here,

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Speaker 2: which role right?

438
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Speaker 3: A lot of times you will have like some of

439
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Speaker 3: these guys would love to have it left and right safety.

440
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Speaker 3: Essentially you just have two mirrors of each other. Typically,

441
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Speaker 3: that's not going to happen. Normally you're going to have it.

442
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Speaker 4: What's it like a down safety?

443
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,960
Speaker 3: Who is going to be the guy that, hey, anytime

444
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Speaker 3: we rotate, we want to we want to bring you

445
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Speaker 3: down near the box. You're the guy that's going to

446
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Speaker 3: play near the box, kind of that enforcer, that apex

447
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:19,840
Speaker 3: defender that you you see. I think in a perfect world, though,

448
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Speaker 3: you want to be able to have that. I think

449
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Speaker 3: two if teams are starting to look at hey, do

450
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Speaker 3: we want to get a corner body or do we

451
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Speaker 3: want to get a safety body. Unless that corner is

452
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Speaker 3: is Cooper Degene and is six you know, you know

453
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Speaker 3: six two two o five two o six, it's going

454
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Speaker 3: to be really difficult for you to kind of sit

455
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Speaker 3: there and say, okay, well that's kind of going to

456
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Speaker 3: be our nickel spot. I think what the teams are

457
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,479
Speaker 3: looking for is interchangeability at safety. But also if we

458
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Speaker 3: have a guy that can play near the box, I'm

459
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Speaker 3: going to put him in the box. And I think

460
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Speaker 3: we see this with the Ravens, you saw this with

461
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Speaker 3: Minka Fitzpatrick with the Dolphins. You see this all these

462
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,360
Speaker 3: other safeties like Derwin James. The Chargers really just want

463
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Speaker 3: them to live near the box as much as possible.

464
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Speaker 3: So you kind of go down the list of guys

465
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Speaker 3: that are really good near the box, and then they're like, well,

466
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Speaker 3: we might as well just use him as nickel. So

467
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Speaker 3: going into the offseason, and you should be able to

468
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Speaker 3: tell what Wilson really thinks about kind of in that

469
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Speaker 3: first wave of free agency, and then what you do

470
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Speaker 3: in the draft. So by the time you leave the draft,

471
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Speaker 3: you'll have an idea of like who your nickel is

472
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Speaker 3: probably going to be, so.

473
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Speaker 1: You would not be shocked then even with Nuban and

474
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Speaker 1: Holland's here of the Giants, at some point do add

475
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Speaker 1: a third player in that profile that then you can

476
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Speaker 1: use as either as your quote unquote nickel box guy,

477
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Speaker 1: or is one of the two deep guys in that

478
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Speaker 1: you know pre snapshell.

479
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I would even go one step further. You

480
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Speaker 3: already have a proven nickel and Drew Phillips, and so

481
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Speaker 3: now what that expands it into and what a lot

482
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Speaker 3: of people don't talk about is the ability to play dime.

483
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Speaker 3: And so now I have a dimeback who we can

484
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Speaker 3: use as a big nickel. If we're playing a spread team,

485
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Speaker 3: which there are a few of them in the league

486
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Speaker 3: that really want to play a ton of eleven personnel,

487
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 3: we can just go ahead and play a regular nickel.

488
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Speaker 3: We have a big nickel and now we have a

489
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,439
Speaker 3: dime set in that safety room is what gives you

490
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Speaker 3: the flexibility. It's not the corner room that gives you

491
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Speaker 3: that flexibility. So I think if you look at you know,

492
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 3: it's so funny talking to defensive coordinators last year. I

493
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 3: mean almost all of them are like, man, if the

494
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 3: more dime we can play, the better we're going to be.

495
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Speaker 3: But we have to have that ability to do that

496
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Speaker 3: because I think everybody knows, again, you're not paying quarterbacks

497
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 3: fifty sixty million dollars to turn around and hand the

498
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 3: ball off to a nine million, eight million dollar running back.

499
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Speaker 3: That's just the efficiency in there. And the owners are

500
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Speaker 3: not going to be have with you either.

501
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Speaker 1: And we'll get to the defensive front because I do

502
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Speaker 1: think this changes your needs on the front. If you're

503
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Speaker 1: going to try to play light in the back end. Right,

504
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Speaker 1: But let's go to linebacker first. Is you're gonna play

505
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Speaker 1: a lot of dime or even a lot of nickel

506
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Speaker 1: That mental linebackers do a lot of work, especially in

507
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Speaker 1: the run game.

508
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Speaker 2: Right, So what does that player need to look like?

509
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Speaker 1: Are we looking at more than a thumper or is

510
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Speaker 1: it still essentral for that guy to be able to drop,

511
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: take up space, pattern read and play that role. What's

512
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Speaker 1: the ideal middle linebacker look like in this type of skape.

513
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Speaker 3: In this scheme, I think they really want a guy

514
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 3: that can play in the middle of the box. I

515
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 3: think that you're gonna see that will linebacker spot. It

516
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 3: needs to be the coverage guy, needs to be able

517
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Speaker 3: to get into that vertical hook, needs to be able

518
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 3: to drop and run. I think in the modern in

519
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 3: the modern NFL right now, I think the box backer,

520
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 3: the guy that can play in a gap can can

521
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 3: still survive. But that will linebacker is really what's going

522
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 3: to answer that problem for you is if we feel

523
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Speaker 3: like we can use him as an edge rusher and

524
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 3: drop him down to create kind of a five man

525
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 3: front and really define the a gap for that linebacker,

526
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 3: or if we can use him as the coverage piece

527
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 3: that we can keep that kind of mic backer, that

528
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 3: box backer low or on the running back, and then

529
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 3: we can drop that will really deep into coverage and

530
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Speaker 3: get him out of the box. I think again, that

531
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Speaker 3: unlocks your your defense. You have to have at least

532
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Speaker 3: one of the guys with some sort of hybrid ability,

533
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Speaker 3: whether that's through the edge rush to change the math

534
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 3: up front or in coverage where he's really your coverage

535
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 3: linebacker can play to a tight end and understand zone

536
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Speaker 3: coverage and has the ability to really drop deep to

537
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Speaker 3: kind of unlock your safeties.

538
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Speaker 2: So you need one thumper and one guy that can

539
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 2: operate well in space.

540
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Speaker 4: Yes, exactly.

541
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Speaker 3: And I think really, if it looks every again, it

542
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 3: goes back to the safety problem, right, It's like, look,

543
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 3: we would love for them to be you know, the

544
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 3: Spider Man meme and they point at each other and

545
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 3: they both look the exact thing. We would love that

546
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 3: that that we then were interchangeable. We only play left

547
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 3: and right. The offense can never figure out what we're

548
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 3: doing the linebacker wise, I think you have to be realistic.

549
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 3: It's going to be very, very hard. You don't want

550
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 3: two coverage linebackers.

551
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Speaker 4: Then you have NOE. You're not stick through the middle.

552
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 3: You don't want to have two thumpers because then you

553
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 3: can't run and you essentially have told them we can't

554
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 3: live in base or we or even in nickel.

555
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 4: We're going to be in be in a world hurt

556
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 4: because our DB's are the only ones that can cover.

557
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,640
Speaker 4: So you need want this, So.

558
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,479
Speaker 3: You need to have at least realistically a guy a

559
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 3: thumper and then a coverage guy.

560
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Speaker 1: So you really start at the point where your defense

561
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: is still basically a weak link philosophy, right when your offense,

562
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: when the opposing offense looks at it, if they find

563
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: the weakness, even if it's one linebacker that can't cover two,

564
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: they're going to find that weakness and try to exploit it.

565
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: So you have to make sure that you have as

566
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Speaker 1: few a weak points as possible.

567
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Speaker 3: Basically exactly, the NFL is still and I think really

568
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 3: any professional sport is all about matchups, and the NFL

569
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 3: is in I called the and I've written about this before,

570
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 3: it's in the space era, which the spread one. Right

571
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,719
Speaker 3: that these offenses now know how to attack space and

572
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 3: create space and use your rules against you to create

573
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 3: that space. That's why we see motion so much and

574
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 3: shifts and to try and create level. You mentioned leverage before,

575
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 3: so that that's where we are and so because of that,

576
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 3: that's where defense is. Now, how can we constrain space

577
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 3: and where is our weak link? And then how can

578
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: we protect that week link? And the less week links

579
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 3: you have, obviously, the better off you're going to be.

580
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 2: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

581
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: of crunch time football, I'm your man. But if you're

582
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 2: wondering about a long term financial plan, you should talk

583
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Speaker 2: to citizens. Hey, I can also talk long care.

584
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Speaker 4: I'd like to learn about amilia routine.

585
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Speaker 2: Yes, I knew I could help makes sense of your

586
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Speaker 2: money with citizens. Now that makes total sense. All right.

587
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Speaker 1: You started in your first answer talking about how they

588
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: kind of Dunar Wilson turned it into a two man

589
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: front almost with a couple of stand up edges, and

590
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: then you have the two big guys in the middle.

591
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: What does this defensive front look like? How does it operate?

592
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: Or you look at it? You know, generally you want

593
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,719
Speaker 1: to play a four two five, right generally speaking, if

594
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Speaker 1: you want to, you know, be a nickel most of

595
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: the time, right, So what does that front look like.

596
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: Is it doesn't look too deep, too down defensive tackles

597
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: with two stand up ends or you're gonna have four

598
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: men down. What will this look like in non big

599
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: personnel on offense situations?

600
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Speaker 3: Well, I think you have the edges in Abdua Carter

601
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,239
Speaker 3: and Brian Burns that kind of can feed into that

602
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 3: simulated press for mentality that he wants where one guy's

603
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 3: the is the aggressor one guy's the protector. Right, I've

604
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 3: got one guy dropping, I've got one guy blitzing. If

605
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: we want to really send both of them, that just

606
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 3: adds pressure to the offense. We can live in a

607
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 3: four down with our pass rush and really kind of

608
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: change the math on the coverage side, because again, if

609
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: you can win with four, you're now changing the math

610
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 3: for the coverage ability, which again you you already have

611
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 3: seven guys, and it's simple math, right Like, if I

612
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 3: can win with four, then I'm beating one of your

613
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 3: linemen on a consistent basis, which is going to force

614
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 3: you to bring in a tight end. Well, okay, there's

615
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 3: only five eligible receivers. If you have to bring in

616
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 3: a tight end or we have to leave the back.

617
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 3: Now there's only now there's only four receivers that are

618
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 3: going out. If I can hold seven, now, that means

619
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 3: I can double two guys now, So it's like it

620
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 3: changes the math when you can do that. And I

621
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 3: really think another guy too, like having a Brian Burns,

622
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Speaker 3: who we've seen multiple times being pulled back into a

623
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Speaker 3: line position.

624
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 4: It feeds into.

625
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 3: That modular defense that you have with that raven system

626
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: that can give you different looks confuse the offense. But

627
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 3: we're really not changing anything structurally what we're doing on defense,

628
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 3: and nobody's being confused. I think abdual Carter is athletic. Again,

629
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Speaker 3: I don't know if I would necessarily drop him into

630
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 3: coverage as much, but you have that ability, h that

631
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 3: are these guys are athletic to at least like take

632
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: the back out of the backfield, which I think for

633
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 3: the most part within the system, that's really what they're

634
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 3: trying to do. So you have some kind of ability

635
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 3: to mix and match guys. And again you have one

636
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,479
Speaker 3: of the best nose guards in the entire in the

637
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: entire league in Dexter Lawrence. So that also too, you

638
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 3: don't have he you know, he had sweat with the Titans.

639
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: Now he's got dexter Lawrence, so you could argue it's

640
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 3: probably a little bit better. So to me, I think

641
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: like the road map is already.

642
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: There, and then for the tackles, you're gonna have one

643
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: plane like the one of the one Shade, and then

644
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: you canna have a three tech.

645
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, and too you can in passing downs. I

646
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: think that you'll see I think Thibodeau is somebody who

647
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: has some size that can throw you can throw inside

648
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 3: in which we've seen the Giants. This is not the

649
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: first time the Giants have done something like that.

650
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 4: That you can throw inside.

651
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think you really want to have somebody

652
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,479
Speaker 3: that's requiring two offensive linemen because if that's the case

653
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 3: now and again, Lawrence can beat a double team. So

654
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: now what we're doing is creating one on ones without

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Speaker 3: sending a blitzer. So what you see now is when

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Speaker 3: we do send the blitz, it's very targeted. It's it's

657
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Speaker 3: a precision strike and not necessarily a volume strike of

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Speaker 3: where we're hey, we're just going to try and overload

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Speaker 3: one side and hopefully we get there. If I can

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Speaker 3: get that those one on ones, now we're really cooking

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Speaker 3: because I feel good about my edges. I feel really

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Speaker 3: good about Dexter Lawrence. Even taking on a double team

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Speaker 3: that three technique. It's like, look, all you got to

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Speaker 3: do is win a couple. It's kind of like baseball.

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Speaker 3: Just have a good batting average against the guard and

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Speaker 3: if you do that, then we're going to be Then

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Speaker 3: we're going to be in some serious business.

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Speaker 1: So Denard Wilson, his history is interesting, and this is

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Speaker 1: where we'll kind of wrap this thing up. He coached

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Speaker 1: under Greg Williams, he coached under Todd Bowles, two guys

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Speaker 1: that brought the heat all the time, all the time.

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Speaker 1: No one blitzed more than those two guys. But when

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Speaker 1: he's gotten the reins, he hasn't blitzed all that often.

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Speaker 1: But talking to people around the league, a lot of

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Speaker 1: people have said to me over the last month or

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Speaker 1: so that we feel like if he had his druthers,

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Speaker 1: he would bring pressure more than he did, and he

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Speaker 1: felt like the issues in the secondary prohibited some of

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Speaker 1: that aggressiveness when he was in Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: Is that your read on it?

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Speaker 1: Do you think his blitz numbers might go up a

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Speaker 1: little bit or is it still going to be more

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Speaker 1: of that simulated pressure. It looks like it, but you're

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Speaker 1: still only sending four.

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Speaker 3: I agree with I agree with that statement and kind

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Speaker 3: of where everybody was, and he really relayed that to

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Speaker 3: and a lot of his press conferences throughout the throughout

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Speaker 3: the year was just kind of like, look, I have

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Speaker 3: an immature secondary. I have linebackers that are don't have

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Speaker 3: really good instincts, and so either I have to keep

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Speaker 3: things simple up front so they know exactly where to fit,

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Speaker 3: or I have to blitz them into their gap. And

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Speaker 3: that's the thing that you need to understand. And really,

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Speaker 3: any defensive coordinator that tells you blitz to answer problems

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Speaker 3: or hey we're having trouble, let's blitz out of it,

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Speaker 3: that's typically not the way to go. That's run away

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Speaker 3: from a defensive coordinator like that. Blitzing should be a tool,

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Speaker 3: and I think we see that within the NFL, where

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Speaker 3: really blitz rates are higher, but we're really only seeing

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Speaker 3: them still less than a third of all the plays.

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Speaker 3: So even though we're getting that amplified blitz, I think

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Speaker 3: people understand, Hey, forcing the issue, especially on early downs,

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Speaker 3: to really accelerate the clock of the quarterback because a

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Speaker 3: lot of these are play action passes. Play action pactices

705
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Speaker 3: take a little bit longer to develop. Blitzing accelerates that clock.

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Speaker 3: So I think that's really where the philosophy and the

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Speaker 3: trends have been is on early downs. I think overall,

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Speaker 3: you would like most coaches would like to see kind

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Speaker 3: of like a round that between kind of twenty seven

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Speaker 3: to thirty percent is probably the sweet spot in blitzing,

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Speaker 3: and that, to me, I think would be that And

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Speaker 3: having like you mentioned Williams and Bowles, he knows how

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Speaker 3: to blitz, he just not doing it because that's secondary.

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Speaker 4: With Tennessee was just not good.

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Speaker 2: I think that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's just wrap up with this before we

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Speaker 1: say goodbye. It seems to me, even though to your point,

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Speaker 1: a lot of this comes down to fundamental techniques and

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Speaker 1: stuff like that in terms of the individual player, but

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Speaker 1: it seems like you're gonna have to have some high

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Speaker 1: IQ players on defense to properly execute this. To understand

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Speaker 1: your responsibilities, always get them right, understanding where you have

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Speaker 1: to be in working in conjunction with your teammates so

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Speaker 1: as they try to build this defense out. And I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of the pieces are in place already.

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Speaker 1: How important is getting smart intelligent that players that have

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Speaker 1: good instincts that can execute this properly, because to your point,

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Speaker 1: it didn't seem like he had those pieces in Tennessee

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Speaker 1: which limited what he could do.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a force multiplier, and you know you're gonna

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Speaker 3: start hearing that term a lot in terms of I've

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Speaker 3: heard this term a ton already during the offseason.

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Speaker 4: Just we want to force multipliers.

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Speaker 3: So whether that is they can do multiple things for us,

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Speaker 3: they can play multiple positions for us or there and win,

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Speaker 3: or they're so intelligent that we can get them and

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Speaker 3: we can do kind.

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Speaker 4: Of like stuff on stuff on stuff right, like, hey.

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Speaker 3: We can we can get to that because I think

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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, and really what he

741
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Speaker 3: wanted to do at the beginning of the year with

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Speaker 3: the Titans was we want to give those confusing looks.

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Speaker 4: We want to kind of rotate guys.

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Speaker 3: I want certain I want certain players to fit in

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Speaker 3: certain spots, but we have to be able to hide

746
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Speaker 3: our intentions so even though they're ending in the same spot,

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Speaker 3: it looks different all the time. That it can only

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Speaker 3: be done when you have guys that are high level,

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Speaker 3: like Q and I would just argue too. As the

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Speaker 3: NFL is shifting more towards zone, it's going to be

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Speaker 3: harder and harder, especially in the secondary, for guys to

752
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Speaker 3: just be kind of like a thoroughbred right like where, hey,

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Speaker 3: we're putting blinders on you. I just needed to get

754
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Speaker 3: that guy and run wherever he goes. I think now

755
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Speaker 3: with the and really motions have changed that offensive structure

756
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 3: gets stacks, bunches. We're just not offensive too. Are not

757
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: lining up in static alignments anymore. You have to communicate.

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Speaker 3: If somebody goes across the field, am I going with him?

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Speaker 3: If we're in zone, that changes my responsibility. If we're

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Speaker 3: in man, am I pushing a guy over? I may

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Speaker 3: be going from a simple I've got that guy to

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Speaker 3: now me and this other guy.

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Speaker 4: Are reading the stack. So yeah, I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: You cannot anymore just kind of be The eighties movies

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Speaker 3: killed it for a lot of people. You can't just

766
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Speaker 3: be the dumb jock anymore and just go out there

767
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Speaker 3: and be like, you know, slam the door shut, right.

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Speaker 4: Or I got that guy.

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Speaker 3: It really is now a kind of a thinking man's game.

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Speaker 3: And that's again that's why I love defense because it's reactionary.

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Speaker 3: It's about leverage, it's about matchups, and players now have

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Speaker 3: to reflect that.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna do my old man get off

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Speaker 1: my lawn moment, yell at the clouds moment here. Nothing

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Speaker 1: drives me more nuts watching a lot of these defenses

776
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Speaker 1: and these guys playing zone when they really do think

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Speaker 1: their job is to just stand in an area and

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Speaker 1: if people come to them, then they cover it. If

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Speaker 1: I see one more guy stop in a zone and

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Speaker 1: the defender just looks at him instead of actually going

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Speaker 1: to cover the guy, I'm gonna lose my damn mind.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how coaches deal with it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a coaching thing a player thing,

784
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Speaker 1: But too often guys are just sitting in zones watching

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Speaker 1: guys open in their zone and like, well, I'm in

786
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Speaker 1: my right spot, but they don't actually cover the player.

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Speaker 1: It tries me absolutely been at as I can't take it.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 3: I look, I'm a zone match guy at heart, and

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Speaker 3: I agree with you some of the vision stuff I

791
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Speaker 3: think is good for the deeper parts of the deeper coverages,

792
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Speaker 3: but when you are underneath, you need to at least

793
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Speaker 3: relate to a man and close off the space the offense. Look,

794
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: quarterbacks are too good now that when they don't have pressure.

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Speaker 4: We saw this too.

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Speaker 3: I think McDonald hit on it on some of the

797
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Speaker 3: pressures and stuff that he you know, it's like, look,

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Speaker 3: you're avoiding a zone. Stafford killed them and he would

799
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Speaker 3: talk about it with that is Stafford knew exactly where

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Speaker 3: those blitz is, where the five man pressure was coming from,

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Speaker 3: and he knew exactly where to hit that spot. And

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Speaker 3: I think in the NFL you have to be really

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Speaker 3: really targeted about not only when you when you throw

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Speaker 3: the ball, but how are you also going to play

805
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 3: that You need to match up. You don't need to

806
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 3: cover necessarily grass, especially underneath. You can play vision over

807
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 3: top because you've got that time in space to kind

808
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Speaker 3: of figure that out. But underneath, I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: You need to match up the demand in your zone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: And then the guys that can't figure out how to

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Speaker 1: adjust on on on their zone defense based on where

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Speaker 1: the first down marker is. Yes, yes, why are you

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Speaker 1: trying the gate yards deep? I don't understand.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you've got your post safety twenty yards deep

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Speaker 3: and it's it's third and three. Yeah, that's usually not

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Speaker 3: going to end very well.

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Speaker 4: I agree with you. Yeah, that that always wears me

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Speaker 4: out too.

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Speaker 2: That absolutely does.

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Speaker 1: Cody, anything we missed that you think fans should should

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Speaker 1: know about this defense?

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Speaker 2: And uh and Denard Wilson.

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Speaker 4: Look, I'll just say this, I'll d with this.

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Speaker 3: I think if Harbaugh could do it over again, I

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Speaker 3: think he would have done something to keep Dinard Wilson

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Speaker 3: in Baltimore. I thought it was very odd that he

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Speaker 3: let not only him, but Anthony Weaver walk, and especially

829
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Speaker 3: knowing that you're the best player on defense is in

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Speaker 3: the secondary. I think that's one of the reasons why

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Speaker 3: when he got the Giants job, he went and got

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Speaker 3: Dinard Wilson. He wanted to make sure that he had

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Speaker 3: a second secondary guy, correct, because if you go and

834
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Speaker 3: you look at some of the problems with the Ravens,

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Speaker 3: it was a lot of times in that back end

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Speaker 3: minus Hamilton. So I think you got a good one.

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Speaker 3: And I'm pretty excited to watch the Giants defense this year.

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Speaker 2: So are we tell us one more time? Cody? Where

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Speaker 2: to find all your great.

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Speaker 4: Work everything is at match quarters dot com.

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Speaker 3: If you go there and you're interested in defense at all,

842
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 3: I do deep dives every single week. I've got a

843
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: bunch of content out and then let's talk ball. You know,

844
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 3: it's a football show that talks about football. That's why

845
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: I do it, so that you can find it there too.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Man, Thanks so much for the time, and keep up

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Speaker 1: the great work this offseason.

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Speaker 4: I'll be reading appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We thank Cody alex in there from match quarters dot

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Speaker 1: com for joining us. Great stuff out of him, really

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Speaker 1: instructive in terms of what Denard Wilson might bring to

853
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Speaker 1: the Giants defense and maybe impact what they do in

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Speaker 1: free agency for Corey.

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