WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Nothing Holdin' Me Back 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:06.240 Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:10.880 The Bengals Booth Podcast the There's Nothing Holding Me Back 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.840 edition as I catch up with three guests a little 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:19.480 more than one week into Bengals training camp, right tackle L. L. Collins, 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:23.560 three time National Sportswriter of the Year, Peter King, and 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:28.280 Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Hobson. The Bengals Booth Podcast 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:32.519 is presented by Ultimate Bengals. Download Ultimate Bengals ahead of 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.760 the twenty twenty two season. It's free to play next 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:40.640 level fantasy football with fantastic Bengals prizes. Get it now 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:43.479 on the App Store and Google Play. And here's a 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:46.000 quick reminder that you can have the latest edition of 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.440 this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, or computer 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:54.240 by subscribing wherever you get your podcasts. It's the greatest 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:59.600 thing since Vin Scully, the incomparable voice of the Dodgers, 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:02.440 passed away this week at the age of ninety four, 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:09.959 and I remain in awe of his talent. He was eloquent, funny, smart, poignant, 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:15.080 and a master storyteller. Here's a personal memory. Several years ago, 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:17.920 I filled in on TV on a Red's Road trip 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:22.240 to Los Angeles and San Diego. It began at Dodger Stadium, 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:25.640 and the final game of the series was not televised 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:29.640 in Cincinnati, so TV analyst Chris Welsh and I decided 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:32.959 to drive to San Diego one day early to play golf. 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:36.399 I'm the drive south. We listened to Scully called the 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.600 final game of the series, and he told an amazing 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:43.840 story about Red's outfielder Adam Dunne that I had never heard. 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.560 When then finished, I turned to Chris and asked if 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:51.560 he knew the story. He laughed and said no. We 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:55.000 had been around Adam dunn every day for several years 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:59.840 and Scully had a fantastic anecdote that neither of us knew. 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.440 That's one of about a million reasons why I consider 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:11.880 Vince Scully to be the greatest broadcaster in history, not sportscaster, broadcaster. Now, 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:15.800 let's get to football. The Bengals have practiced half a 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.840 dozen times so far, but two of their most important 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:22.160 players haven't suited up yet. Joe Burrow as he recovers 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.880 from his appendeck, to me at new right tackle El Collins, 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.840 who's on the non football injury list due to a 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:32.240 sore back. I caught up with ELC in front of 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:36.000 his locker this week. How you doing physically? I guess 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.239 that's on the mind of Fall Bengals fans right now. 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.000 I feel pretty good, man, just you know, taking them 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.920 one day at a time. He gives myself ready to 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:47.040 go and just continue to do everything I need to 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.040 do for my body. Just tweaks something lifting weights or 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.760 something like that, or what happened, well just I mean 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.200 didn't even really feel another happened. It's just something just 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.480 trying to flat up. But you know, I think we've 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.000 got it on troll. You got a good plan trying 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:05.640 and stuff, doing a great job and shooting. Man, just 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:09.240 as forward. You're a vet, he've been through this a 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.920 million times. Do you feel like it's no big deal 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:13.440 for you if you have to miss a few raps 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.000 early in camp? Oh yeah, I don't think it is. 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:19.120 You're getting all the mental reps I can, watching all 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.560 the film that I can. I mean, the fields a 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:23.640 good part of the game. I mean that's what I 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:26.359 live for. So I know once I get right out there, 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:29.440 you know, and get moving and everything like that, I'll 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.040 be ready to ruck. I talked to Frank yesterday he 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.440 said he's got you sitting next to Kappa in the 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:36.960 meeting room. He's kind of like sitting where you would 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.080 be playing. Do you guys pick up a lot from 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.640 each other even just from doing that? Absolutely? I mean 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.200 anytime you're sitting next to the guy that you're gonna 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:47.240 be playing. Within the games and practice and everything like that, 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:49.680 able to kind of communicate and talk to each other 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.000 while we're watching films, saying hey, how would you do this? 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:54.080 How would you do that? And you know, it just 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.440 helps builds that chemistry, gives the start of a camp 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:01.920 in a new place convigorating for you. It's it's awesome. 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:06.760 You know, it's awesome being here. You know, something new. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:09.600 This locker room is great. The guys on this team, 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:13.880 that's great. A lot of selfless individualism. I think with 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:18.599 the mentality and the mentality, understand what we're doing, put 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:20.359 the work in, we're gonna be right. We want to 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:22.600 do Do you have any sort of timetable for when 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.040 you think you'll be able to go? Not necessarily, but 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.080 just focusing on keep taking the one day at its own. 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.239 Collins has been doing some work on the rehab field 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.400 during practice and has also been offering pointers to some 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:39.320 of the young offensive linemen during drills. The Bengals Booth 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:43.280 podcast is presented by Ultimate Bengals, the Freedom play fantasy 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:47.120 football game. This past season, Ultimate Bengals awarded a weekly 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:51.120 winner during the course of the year with tickets, autograph merchandise, 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:55.400 and money can't Buy experiences all up for grabs. Find 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:59.640 Ultimate Bengals in the App Store and Google Play. Peter 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.680 k from NBC Sports was at training camp this week 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:04.960 and took some time out of his busy schedule to 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:10.320 discuss the defending AFC Chaps Peter, for a defending Super 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.640 Bowl team that attacked it's one glaring weakness in the offseason, 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.160 I don't see a lot of people outside of Cincinnati 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.839 liking their chances of making it back. Do you agree 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:21.400 with that and why do you think that might be 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.600 the case. Well, I think when you look at the 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:30.920 way the Bengals won, everything was narrow. You know, everything 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:35.359 was close. You know they benefit from a late Ryan 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:39.080 Tannehill interception and beat the top seeded team in the 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:43.039 divisional game on the road on a long field goal. 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:49.560 You know, they benefit for Mahomes mistake, you know, and 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.680 win on another long field goal, and then they get 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:56.159 to the super Bowl, and you know, it's the kindy 0:05:56.279 --> 0:06:00.120 year that you look at it and you just say, 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:05.320 it's justice that they got to the super Bowl. But 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.599 you know, not necessarily the Raiders game, you know, the 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:14.680 wild Card game, but the other two games definitely the 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:18.159 wrong word is luck. But you know, football is such 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:27.200 a game, such a game that's decided by very narrow margins, 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:30.720 and both of those games were you look at him 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:32.880 and you say, anybody could have won. Now, good for 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:36.680 the Bengals. They won. I think they won because they had, 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:42.600 you know, one of the all time clutch postseason performances 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:46.040 by a kicker that you know, a month before he 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.200 did all this stuff nobody ever heard of. And then 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.800 you know, Joe Burrow just you know, he's got this 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:56.599 I don't care gene in him, you know, and not 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:00.159 I don't care what's the right gene. But he's got this, 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:04.240 this this attitude that you know, we're just gonna let 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.320 the chips fall. I'm gonna play hard. If we win, 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:09.760 that's what I live for, and if we don't, we'll 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:13.840 live to fight another day. But I think when I 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:18.560 look at this team, the reason that they're so so 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:24.520 much trouble really for the opposition is that they have 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:29.160 a kicker who is Vinitari esque in terms of his 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:35.160 ability to kick great in the clutch. And then they've 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:39.880 got a quarterback who so far has shown no nerves 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:44.720 whatsoever when he plays this game. Those are the two 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:53.440 most important positions in terms of playing at your best 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:57.720 when the best is required. Not to say that other 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:01.040 guys on this team don't, but I think if you've 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.640 got a clutch kicker, if you've got a clutch quarterback, 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:07.360 both of whom have great ability, you're going to be 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.320 able to be in every game. I just think the 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.480 AFC is so narrow. I think the Bills are the 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.560 best team, not just in the AFC but in football. 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.480 But we'll see. You had the opportunity for a private meeting. 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.600 That's Zach Taylor. I don't want to spoil anything that's 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.240 coming up in next Monday's Football Morning in America column, 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.840 But did you have a question in mind coming into 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.680 Cincinnati about this team that you really wanted him to answer. 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:33.480 I was really curious about the end of the game, 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:39.280 the end of the Super Bowl and samajp Ryan being 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:42.720 in the game and mix and not and you know, 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:49.200 the inability of the line to keep Burrow clean at 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:54.400 the end. And I mean za Zach's point is, I 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:59.200 think is a good point about especially about Burrow. You know, 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:01.719 he basically I said, just look at every team that 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:06.000 plays that has played the Rams, and you tell me 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:09.880 how they all block two good edge guys, you know, 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:15.080 including von Miller, And then how do you block you know, 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:18.960 the greatest defensive lineman in football in Aaron Donald. And 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:23.680 that to me is I think he's a pragmatist about 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:27.240 the game. You know, first of all, things happen in 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:31.600 real time. It's good, I guess to be able to 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.520 sit back at the end of a practice or at 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:36.360 the end of a game rather at the end of 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:39.480 a season and basically say, point man, I wish we 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:43.760 did this. The unfortunate thing is, especially as it really 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.880 pertains to the offensive line. You have what you have, 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.520 What are you gonna do. There's a lousy offensive line 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.320 last year. They had a chance to fix it. And 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:59.959 we'll see if Collins, Carras and whom I for, Kapappa, 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:02.280 We're going to be good enough. But they have to 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:06.640 be good enough because everybody else if you look at 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.559 the improvements that have been made in the rest of 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:14.080 the AFC. I think all the teams have gotten better, 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:20.160 other than I would say Kansas City. Kansas City really 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:25.040 hasn't gotten a lot worse, because look, I'm a you know, obviously, 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:28.520 I think the Tyreek Hill thing was interesting, you know, 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:33.120 the trade, But you know, Patrick Mahomes will figure it out. 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:37.520 It's like the really good quarterbacks, they figure it out. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.199 So I think Mahomes will, But I don't know. I 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:44.320 look at this I look at this conference and it's 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:48.720 one of the best. It's one of the most top 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:53.439 heavy with really good teams conferences that I've ever seen. 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:56.880 Peter King is our guest. A little more than two 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.680 years ago, from his basement, Roger Goodell announced that the 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.480 Joe Burrow was number one pick in the NFL draft. 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.520 And now here we are with a Cincinnati team that 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:09.000 really doesn't have a glaring weakness on the roster. What 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.240 do you think of the job that Duke Tobin's done 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:15.480 and building the roster, and Zach Taylor's done in coaching it. Well, 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:18.400 I think, you know, first of all, you can never 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.920 fix everything at once, and so I was a little 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:25.200 dubious when they made the Jamar Chase pick in the 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:32.000 first round, and quite frankly, I was totally wrong because 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.040 I just thought that Burrow had enough weapons, and I 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.880 was most concerned with keeping Burrow. I would be most 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:41.880 more concerned with keeping Burrow upright than giving him another weapon. Now, 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.720 even though I think I forget, it's a pro football 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:53.280 focused stat somewhere that he that he basically was hitting 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:57.360 more than any quarterback in football last year and that 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:02.840 has to stop. But I just can't imagine, you know, 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:06.120 Zach Taylor's sitting down with his staff and making a 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:09.640 game plan and not having Jamar Chase, you know, to 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:14.360 be the key guy, especially because looking today's football, you 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.760 have no idea how long you're gonna have te Higgins 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:20.240 and Tyler Boyd. You just don't, you know, somebody could 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.880 throw stupid money at him one day. You just you 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:27.640 don't know that. So I think they made the right 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:32.199 decision with Jamar Chase. And then, you know, the one 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:37.200 other thing I'll tell you. I remember this, At the 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:42.120 time they signed Hendrickson, everybody in the league thought they 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:49.080 overpaid for Hendrickson and they didn't necessarily see him translating 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:56.520 into an outstanding player in the NFL. You know, outside 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.680 of New Orleans, he was a good player in New Orleans. 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:02.480 There were times last year where he was t J. 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:08.559 Watt great here. And so if you take just those 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:12.800 two decisions and look, a guy in Duke Tobin's position 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:17.680 has to make a lot of decisions, but those two 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:23.440 decisions encapsulate in a big way why this team got 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:25.960 as far as it did last year. And they were 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:29.520 both right on. So you know, there's a lot of 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.800 other things. You know, what happens with Jesse Bates and 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:35.800 and you know, could Dax He'll be ready if he 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:39.200 has to. I personally think Bates will be in before 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.560 Labor Day weekend, but we'll see. But I think a 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.240 lot of the decisions and you know, Dan, one of 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:50.720 the other things about about the way this team operates, 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:55.720 as you know, if you're Mike Brown right now, one 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.960 of the reasons it's hard to pay Jesse Bates a 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:03.600 lot of money is that you're kind of thinking, if 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:06.000 I have to have a lot of guaranteed money put 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.800 in escrow for Joe Burrow. And I think the way 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:14.000 the NFL does contracts is prehistoric. It's dumb that Mike 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.520 Brown is going to have to put whatever it is, 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:19.520 one hundred and thirty one hundred and fifty million dollars 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:26.800 in escrow to guarantee the guarantee in Joe Burrow's contract. Obviously, 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.280 in a place like Cincinnati, that is going to have 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:33.480 an effect on how much Jesse Bates can be paid. 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.800 And it's a shame, but it is also the reality 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.800 of the NFL. Knowing Mike as well as you do, 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:43.040 are you surprised that the Bengals are investigating selling naming 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:47.000 rights to Paul Brown Stadium? You know, I don't know 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:50.600 anything about it, really, Dan, but it strikes me that, 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:56.880 like many teams have done, it won't be that they're 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:00.920 going to take down the name of Paul Brown Stadium. 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.240 It strikes me that it's probably more likely that it'll 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:10.920 be Greater's ice Cream Field at Paul Brown's Stadium or something, 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:15.800 you know, whatever it is. But you know, if you're Mike, 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.800 the reality of the situation is you got to start 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.280 looking in the couch cushions and getting all the money 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:28.440 together that you can, because whether it be this contract 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.400 with Burrow or the next one, you're just gonna need 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:35.320 an awful lot of guaranteed money, probably not Deshaun Watson 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.360 kind of guaranteed money, but a lot of money. Last 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.240 thing I'll let you go. I appreciate your time. There's 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.040 a lot of star power on this roster right now, 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.920 with Mix and Higgins, Hendrickson, etc. The guy that you 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.640 want to talk to here in Cincinnati is Jamar Chase. 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:51.400 Why Jamar, I don't know him at all, and I 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.920 just thought that be good to get to know the 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.560 guy who, over the next five years might be the 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:04.280 best receiver in football. You know, times change and great players, 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.880 you know, phase out over time. You know. I've been 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:11.800 thinking Brady turns forty five this week, and I've always 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.600 been able to sort of talk to Brady if I 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:20.280 really need him. And my thought was, man, he's forty 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.800 five years old. I'm not going to have Brady much longer, 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.640 you know. And so I don't know. You're in a 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.920 position like mine, and you start to think that you 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:30.840 really want to get to know some of the younger 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.200 guys who were great. That's one of the things I 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.320 do when I go around on my training camp tour. 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:39.640 I try to meet guys who are really bright but 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:44.680 really kind of very young stars and that's part of 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:46.480 what I do on this trip. And I think the 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:52.480 other thing is, I mean, I'm not going to get 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:56.280 to the bottom of Jamar Chase in twelve minutes. I 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:59.680 understand that, but I just think he's had a very 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.400 interesting career to this point in college and in the pros, 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:09.200 and I'm just really curious about the bond he formed 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:15.359 with this quarterback at LSU and how it's paying dividends today, 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.359 because it sure seems like it is. You're the best. 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:22.000 Thank you, all right, Hey, thanks, Dan, appreciate it. Peter 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.399 has a podcast, it's the Peter King Podcast, and the 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:29.720 latest episode includes an interview with Jamar Chase. It also 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:34.280 includes an anecdote about my next guest, Bengals dot Com 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:39.359 editor Jeff Butch Hobson, describing how Jeff helped Jamar Chase 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:43.200 after practice last week. I suspect you can also read 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:47.639 about it next Monday in Peter's Football Morning in America column. 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:53.720 Now here's my conversation with Jeff but for six practices 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:56.840 in you pick a player of the day every day 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:00.080 at practice, the coveted Jeff Hobson player of the day. 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.920 Do you have a few players of the camp so 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:04.880 far that it stood out to you. Yeah, I guess 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:07.480 you gotta gotta start with number one, right, I mean, 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.920 start number one with number one. I mean, he's been great, 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:13.040 you know, as as much as he dropped the ball 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:15.159 last year as a rookie. I mean, he's just it 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:18.080 seems like he's caught everything and then always and then 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:22.560 number two behind Chase, pick any of the corners because 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.760 they're right there with him and Tyler Boyd and some 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.399 of these young receivers. There's I mean, every ball seems 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.879 contested almost. I was talking to Brandon Allen about that, 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.640 and he was saying, you know, Lou, I guess throw 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.360 in a couple of you know, wrinkles, and that makes 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.359 the coverages a little bit tough reasons. But that's you know, 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:45.320 that's some u some tight windows in there. So you know, 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:48.840 Chase is my leader obviously. But then after that, not 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:52.800 five behind the Woozier Apple in Hilton, and then I think, uh, 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:57.320 I think after that, I I kind of like the 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.520 young long snapper. No, I'm just kidding, Bay, I'm just 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.639 gonna have we had it because it's really which is 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:04.879 going to be interesting. I think I'm more intrigued I 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.280 am intrigued by that battle because how do you how 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:10.200 do you judge it? You know, you're really getting into 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:12.800 the nuance of it, so kind of keeping an eye 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:14.800 on Darren and what he does there. But you know, 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:18.119 you look at Admitas and Clark, you know, kind of 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.399 hard to you know, McPherson's making everything, So how do 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:23.439 you tell you know? So it's it's kind of an 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:27.200 interesting camp. Yeah, I mean, cal Adamitas, if he wins 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.639 that job, would have to win it based on his 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:31.880 ability to get down the field. They can both snap 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:35.119 the football. I don't think that there's a real noticeable 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:37.920 difference between how they snap it. But Clark Harris is 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.920 a bigger man. That's an advantage in terms of blocking 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.399 up front, and then at least to this point of 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:45.720 his year and to his career, and he's obviously getting 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:48.360 up there in years, but historically he's done a nice 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:51.440 job of getting down the field and making plays. And 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.720 cal has to adjust to h he has to he 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:56.320 has to block now he didn't have to block the 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:58.000 last two years he was a pit. I mean, I 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:01.000 guess Darren was saying his first two years pit did 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:04.520 have a pro style thing. But now it was in college. 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:06.440 I guess you can just snap and run down a field. 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:10.320 Well that's not going to happen against Arizona, so that 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.119 will be you know, I never thought I'd be watching 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:16.000 chott and long snappers, but here we go. I want 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.120 to circle back to the corners for a bit because 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:21.359 if I had to pick a star of training camp, 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:23.960 excluding Joe Burrow last year, I think I would have 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:27.400 gone with chitube O Wouge. I thought he was just tremendous. 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:29.520 From day one of camp it was like, Wow, what 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:32.159 assigning this guy is? And he's been very good so 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:35.280 far this year. But I would say Eli Apple might 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:37.960 be the guy. Yeah, he's been beaten by Chase a 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:40.960 few times. That's going to happen. Plus a few of 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.800 those times the catches have been unbelievable. But he's been 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:47.960 extremely competitive. It looks like the decision to resign him 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:50.560 and bring him back as a likely starter was a 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:53.360 very good one. He's an interesting guy, Hordy. I. In fact, 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.520 I wrote about him today and about how you know 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:58.840 that wasn't an easy thing to overcome. I don't think 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:01.760 you know, you get uh kind of a tough deal. 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:04.159 You get you know, they win the Super Bowl thrown 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:07.080 at you. But you know, people forget that Eli was 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:09.040 a big reason they got there. I mean, how many 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:12.879 teams could have survived, you know, uh losing you know, 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:16.199 losing their starting quarter for the second year in a row. 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:20.040 And Trey Waynes and he stepped in and uh, you know, 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:22.399 made a huge play in Tennessee to win a playoff 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:26.120 game in a road arguably turned the AFC Championship game 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:28.680 around with a tackle on Tyree Kills. So this guy, 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:32.399 it's it's it's weird because you know, he's just he 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:35.400 just gets you know, he he talks a lot. He's 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:37.439 on Twitter. He admits it, you know, and that just 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:40.159 opens him up some total to so much criticism. And 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:42.000 I asked him, why do you do that? Why do 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:44.480 you why do you go on Twitter? And he just said, Look, 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:46.280 he says, I'm used to this stuff, you know, and 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:48.680 if you look, you know, he says, everything that's bad 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:50.720 it could happen to me in the NFL has happened. 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:52.840 He get traded, he gets suspended, He you know, he 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:56.240 u tough tough baptism in New York as it first, 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:57.800 there's nothing tougher in the league. Than me in the 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.760 first round picking New York, you know, and so uh, 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:06.000 you know this guy is uh, he's bulletproof. Carry comes 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:09.719 the former Cole Ryne High School coach who was an 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:13.040 assistant coach at Ohio State when Eli Apple played there, 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:15.080 then went and coached in the NFL. Now he's come 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:17.919 back and he's coaching at UC. He loves Eli Apple, 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:21.000 believes in him. And you know, I have a lot 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:24.000 of faith in Carry's opinion, and I think he lies 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:27.720 backing it up. I thought, I agree. And Jamar Chase 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:31.159 is a very uh he's much older than his twenty 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:34.280 two years playing and also just observing. And he had 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:36.359 a great line on Eli. He said, uh, he's a 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:39.119 villain with with with a big heart, you know, because 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:41.520 he said he said he told the media, you know, 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:44.320 he said, Uh, he pisses me off. He talks a lot, 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:47.800 he's aggravating. But I think they know that he's down deep, 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:51.000 that he's this guy's a he's a team to me. 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:55.160 He strikes me as a team guy, you know. And uh, yeah, 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:57.399 you know, and Eli and Jamas said it. Yes, they 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:01.879 talked about how how the difference, but Woozier and Apple 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:04.480 and Eli is long. You know, he's one of those 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:07.360 those guys don't grow on trees, you know, those long, 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:11.080 lean corners that can run. So it's interesting that you 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:13.840 have carry as carry that you know you have as 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.919 a resource because I'm sure nobody knows him better than him. 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:19.880 Let's talk about a couple of guys who I think 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:22.359 would fit in the everything you could have hoped for 0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:26.159 category at least through one week of training camp. Hayden Hurst, 0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:29.639 who's been making several catches every day. And Ted Carriss, 0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:33.560 who's really established himself as this year's version of a 0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:37.640 Mike Hilton or a Von Bell, just a total pro 0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:42.520 from winning programs that comes in and carries himself exactly 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:44.800 the way you would want him to. That's a great call. 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:47.959 Three years in a row, right with Bell came in 0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:51.040