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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast the There's Nothing Holding Me Back

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Speaker 1: edition as I catch up with three guests a little

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Speaker 1: more than one week into Bengals training camp, right tackle L. L. Collins,

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Speaker 1: three time National Sportswriter of the Year, Peter King, and

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Speaker 1: thing since Vin Scully, the incomparable voice of the Dodgers,

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Speaker 1: passed away this week at the age of ninety four,

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Speaker 1: and I remain in awe of his talent. He was eloquent, funny, smart, poignant,

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Speaker 1: and a master storyteller. Here's a personal memory. Several years ago,

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Speaker 1: I filled in on TV on a Red's Road trip

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Speaker 1: and the final game of the series was not televised

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Speaker 1: to drive to San Diego one day early to play golf.

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Speaker 1: I'm the drive south. We listened to Scully called the

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Speaker 1: final game of the series, and he told an amazing

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Speaker 1: story about Red's outfielder Adam Dunne that I had never heard.

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Speaker 1: When then finished, I turned to Chris and asked if

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Speaker 1: he knew the story. He laughed and said no. We

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Speaker 1: had been around Adam dunn every day for several years

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Speaker 1: and Scully had a fantastic anecdote that neither of us knew.

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Speaker 1: That's one of about a million reasons why I consider

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Speaker 1: Vince Scully to be the greatest broadcaster in history, not sportscaster, broadcaster. Now,

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Speaker 1: let's get to football. The Bengals have practiced half a

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Speaker 1: dozen times so far, but two of their most important

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Speaker 1: players haven't suited up yet. Joe Burrow as he recovers

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Speaker 1: from his appendeck, to me at new right tackle El Collins,

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Speaker 1: who's on the non football injury list due to a

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Speaker 1: sore back. I caught up with ELC in front of

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Speaker 1: that's on the mind of Fall Bengals fans right now.

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Speaker 1: I feel pretty good, man, just you know, taking them

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Speaker 1: didn't even really feel another happened. It's just something just

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Speaker 1: as forward. You're a vet, he've been through this a

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Speaker 1: million times. Do you feel like it's no big deal

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Speaker 1: early in camp? Oh yeah, I don't think it is.

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Speaker 1: You're getting all the mental reps I can, watching all

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Speaker 1: the film that I can. I mean, the fields a

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Speaker 1: each other even just from doing that? Absolutely? I mean

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Speaker 1: But did you have a question in mind coming into

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Speaker 1: years ago, from his basement, Roger Goodell announced that the

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Speaker 1: who knows. Let's talk about the left guard spot. Jack

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Speaker 1: Carmen has been getting the reps so far with the

426
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Speaker 1: first team for the most part, saw a little bit

427
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Speaker 1: of Cordell Volson towards the end of the week. When

428
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Speaker 1: do you think that that's going to come down? Is

429
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Speaker 1: that going to be one of these things that will

430
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Speaker 1: play out through preseason games or do you think they'll

431
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: they'll kind of try to get that locked up so

432
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Speaker 1: then get these five guys playing together. Well, it short

433
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: looks like Jackson's their guy over there. You know, we're

434
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Speaker 1: in there there, we're going to be going head into

435
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Speaker 1: the sixth seventh practice. I don't think he's rotated him.

436
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: I think he's uh, I think he's rotated Cordell with

437
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: over there at right guard with you know, with energy.

438
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: It looks like they're sticking with him. You know. Now,

439
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: obviously we'll see what happens in the game. But I know,

440
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Speaker 1: talking to some guys around, I think they they really

441
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: think Carmen hasn't you know, improved massively. You know. So

442
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Speaker 1: it's an interesting question. When will they get these five

443
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Speaker 1: guys locked up and ready to go? I think, you know,

444
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: and when well, I guess the other question is, you know,

445
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Speaker 1: the other shooter falls Vile Collins, when will he be

446
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Speaker 1: healthy and up and going? Because I think I figured

447
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 1: Frank Frank Paul at the offensive line coach probably figures,

448
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: you know, until Collins is ready, he might as well

449
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: rotate as you know, as much as he wants. But

450
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't. You know, it looks like Karis Carmen. You

451
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: know he went to cat when once Kappa was healthy,

452
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: he went right the right guard. So I think they're there, Hordy,

453
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Speaker 1: I think you know it would to me, would it

454
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Speaker 1: would be barring a three mile island in the game,

455
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Speaker 1: you know, a disaster in the games. I think that's

456
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Speaker 1: your five. Yeah. They asked Jack Jackson Carmen to show

457
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Speaker 1: up at three hundred and twenty five pounds. He did.

458
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: His effort and attitude had been great. We know about

459
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Speaker 1: the physical tools. So I think it's fair to say

460
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: at this point it's his job to lose. As long

461
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Speaker 1: as he doesn't mess things up, he'll be the guy

462
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Speaker 1: in week one. I would think, no question. And I

463
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: think we underestimated last year. And I think you know,

464
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: people wrote this the other day. People were upset that

465
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Speaker 1: he was not the reincarnation of Max Montoya right away,

466
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Speaker 1: and people really didn't realize he was changing tackled, he

467
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Speaker 1: was changing positions, he was changing sides, and he was

468
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: coming off back surgery, you know, So I mean that,

469
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Speaker 1: you know, uh, And I still thought he played pretty

470
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Speaker 1: well with the Super Bowl on the line, in the

471
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Speaker 1: last drive in Kansas City, I thought he was terrific,

472
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Speaker 1: you know, And I was kind of surprising in super Bowl,

473
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Speaker 1: but I thought he was good when it mattered. And

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Speaker 1: so I I, yeah, I think, um, you know, now,

475
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: clearly he can't have any you know, he can't fall

476
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Speaker 1: back to any habits or anything. I mean, I think,

477
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: but I agree with you. I think he's there. I

478
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: think he's there guy, and you know, you get you

479
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: get Joan over there. I know Jan has been criticized

480
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: down through the years, but you know, he just he's

481
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: a smart guy, and I think they looked to him,

482
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: and um, you know, I think he's a little underrated

483
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: as well. We talked a little bit about long snapper.

484
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: Let's talk about punter. Those guys punted quite a bit

485
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Didn't appear to be a very good day

486
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Speaker 1: for Kevin Hubert, but obviously he's proven over the last

487
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: fourteen years. When Drew Chrisman hits one right, there's no

488
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: question he's got the stronger leg at this point. But

489
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Speaker 1: Darren Simmons wants it between the numbers and the sideline

490
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: with good hang time, and that will be decided in

491
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Speaker 1: the preseason games. I don't think practice is going to

492
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Speaker 1: determine which of those two guys wins the job. And

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Speaker 1: he said, uh, talking to Darren, you know, he's going

494
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Speaker 1: to rotate them during a He's not going to give

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00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: one guy a game and the other guy the next game.

496
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Speaker 1: He's gonna They're gonna rotate during the game so they

497
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: can see them, so they can compare them. And I

498
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: think that's that's the only way to do it. And

499
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: it's interesting. And again, this is another thing. You know,

500
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Speaker 1: McPherson is such a weapon. How much of the is

501
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: the holding thing going to be come into a factor?

502
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: Drew hasn't. I don't think, you know, obviously, clearly he

503
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: doesn't have as much experience as Hubert does. Nobody does

504
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: probably in the league when it comes to holding. You know,

505
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: he's been doing it for fourteen years. And I think,

506
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Speaker 1: you know, it's how big of a factor is that

507
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: because you better make sure this kickers, You better make

508
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: sure this guy's is happy. You know, I was here.

509
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: I I date back to uh, you know, the Great Depression.

510
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: But no, I mean, I mean, I go back a

511
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: few years and I remember in nineteen ninety nine, Doug Pelfrey,

512
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: one of the finest kickers in the league, and they

513
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: just come off a pretty good contract, and yet he

514
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: lost his long snapper Lee Johnson left. He was the punter.

515
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: They couldn't find the punter, they couldn't find a long snapper,

516
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: and next thing you know, Pelfrey's out of the league.

517
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Speaker 1: But he was the same guy. He was the same kicker,

518
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: but they couldn't get the ball to him. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: I just I just think the whole I think the

520
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Speaker 1: holding thing is a that's a big deal. Every player

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Speaker 1: and coach that I've talked to says that they fully

522
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Speaker 1: expect Jesse Bates to be here. Most people seem to

523
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Speaker 1: think it's going to be in time for for Week

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Speaker 1: one of the regular season against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Is

525
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: everybody just saying that, or do you think everybody truly

526
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Speaker 1: believes that that Jesse's going to be here and good

527
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Speaker 1: to go for a Week one? Yeah? I think they.

528
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Speaker 1: I think I don't think they're trying to talk themselves

529
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Speaker 1: into it, because I think they know Jesse, and I

530
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Speaker 1: think they I'm sure they've been talking to him, you

531
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. I certainly his teammates have been

532
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: talking to him. So you know, you know, Jesse, you've

533
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: talked to him. You know, he's a terrific kid, um

534
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: and and a fine player, and it just be hard

535
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Speaker 1: for me to see him not wanting to be out

536
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Speaker 1: there in the opener. So yeah, I don't think they're

537
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: trying to talk themselves into it. I think they believe it. Um,

538
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Speaker 1: will he be able to walk in here? I mean,

539
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Speaker 1: I will he be able to walk in here? Whenever

540
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: he walks in here and be the statter I would,

541
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Speaker 1: I would think. So, you know, he's a smart guy.

542
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's going to be in shape. But that's interesting,

543
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, Uh, it's uh, I can't remember the last

544
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: time that's that's happened around here, but it has happened, So,

545
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: you know, I I think, uh, you know, particularly the

546
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Speaker 1: way they play the game now you know they don't

547
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: they really don't practice as much, you know, they don't.

548
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of a lot of mental

549
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: reps that they like to say. So I think he'd

550
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: be you know, I think he'd be all right, you know,

551
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: no matter when he gets in, I do honestly think

552
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: that it's going to be helpful for Dax Hill. He's

553
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: getting all of these reps with the first team, and

554
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: what exactly does that mean. I talked to safety's coach

555
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: of Rob Livingston, and he said eight more snaps a

556
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Speaker 1: practice being with the first team, which I thought was

557
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: really interesting that you know, you can pin it down

558
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: to a number. So now multiply that over practice over

559
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: several weeks. You know, that's a lot of reps with

560
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: those first team guys, and more reps in general that

561
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: your number one draft pick wouldn't get otherwise. Yeah, I

562
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Speaker 1: think of what if Jesse was here, would he be

563
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: I guess he'd be, you know, he'd be getting the

564
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: reps with the second team. I wonder if they'd be

565
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: working him a corner. I think they will. I think

566
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Speaker 1: they eventually see him as a you know, I think

567
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: he'd be potentially in nickel, but I think he could

568
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: probably play. I think he's one of these guys he

569
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: could put him anywhere in the second day be able

570
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: to play. But given that you know they've put I

571
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: think they don't want to. They don't want to crowd

572
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: his plate. He's a rookie, and uh so they're just

573
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: having him since he is getting all the snaps. There's

574
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: having them focus on safety. But I could see a

575
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: situation where Jesse Base comes in and they'll you know,

576
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: louis not adverse to playing three safeties, and I think

577
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: you know, they like him as they want to see

578
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: what he can do a corner. You know, look at

579
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: that December Horyu Mahomes Brady Josh Allen on January second.

580
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: You can use another corner and hopefully he would have

581
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: gotten you know, by then, Jesse be in in a

582
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Speaker 1: couple of months. I'm sure that Dax would have get

583
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: some snaps a corner. So maybe he'll have a little

584
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: coming out party there. Joe Burrow is back this week.

585
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: I'll be on the back of a golf cart watching practice.

586
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: But obviously he lifted everybody's spirits just by being back

587
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: in the building. Do you have a gut for when

588
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: you think he'll be out there practicing. I don't you

589
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: know this guy, he's he's a phone booth guy. He's

590
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: one of these guys. He goes into a phone booth

591
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: and he's just he's gonna. You know, it just seems

592
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: like he's got it and whenever he wants to do

593
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: what he can do it. It's like it was like

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Speaker 1: last year when he kind of struggled early on and

595
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: then went the phone booth and he was Borrow. You know,

596
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: So when's the phone booth? I don't know, but I

597
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: do think whenever it is, he'll be you know, he's

598
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: just he'll answer the bell. You know. It's like we'll

599
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: be next week, we'll be the week after. I don't know,

600
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: but I don't think it matters either, do I. It's

601
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: interesting to think back to last year and just how

602
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: bad he was and the offense was in week one.

603
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: It's totally been for gotten because of how well he

604
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: played and the run to the super Bowl. But at

605
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: this time, one week into training camp last year, we

606
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: were all saying, oh, good lord, it might take half

607
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: a season for Joe Burrow to be good again. He

608
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: couldn't throw, Chase good and catch. So I wonder what

609
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: exactly are we doing out there watching? You know, maybe

610
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: we should watch Blazing Saddles instead of this, because it

611
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: certainly wasn't it certainly wasn't a foreshadowy Yeah, that's for sure.

612
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: He turned out to be pretty good, to say the least.

613
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on the coaching staff, the comfort level that

614
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 1: they seem to have with each other, We've we've often

615
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: mentioned that, you know, it's really unique that they've got

616
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: the coordinators back. That's been the case for the entire

617
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: time that Zach Taylor has been the head coach. But

618
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: they do have a few changes on the staff, a

619
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Speaker 1: few new guys and the position coaches, with Chuck Burks

620
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: coaching cornerbacks, James Betcher coaching linebackers, how does they the

621
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Speaker 1: fifth scene to you with all these uh these changes? Well,

622
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: I talk to you know, I think I think Betcher

623
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: is a obviously we know he's a he's NexTable guy.

624
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,479
Speaker 1: I think I've been around the league at a couple

625
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: of stops. I remember bumping into Bruce Arians at the combine.

626
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: You couldn't say enough good things you know about the guy,

627
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: and that that means something. I think, you know, and

628
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: I and you talk to people about Chuck Burks rising star,

629
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: this guy's you know, this guy's you talk to the

630
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: guy who spent three minutes with him, and you know

631
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's on the ball. You know It's interesting.

632
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: I did a story on him when he get hired,

633
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: and he was when I walked into his office, he

634
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: had like he had nothing. He was just starting from scratch.

635
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Speaker 1: But he had three books and one of them was

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Speaker 1: Atomic Habits. And I just saw where Eli Apple is

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Speaker 1: reading Automic Habits now, which is basically a self help

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Speaker 1: book about if you change a little bit of your routine,

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Speaker 1: it can you can make a big impact on your life.

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Speaker 1: And so obviously Burks is you know, had had some

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Speaker 1: impact on some of his players, which is interesting to watch.

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Speaker 1: So I think Burkes is a rising guy to watch.

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Speaker 1: I think Betcher is a you know, to get a

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Speaker 1: guy who's been a two time defensive coordinator coach in

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Speaker 1: the position is a big is a big thing, I think.

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Speaker 1: I think even a thing like hiring Adams Zimmer as

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Speaker 1: a as like a consultant on the offensive side of

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Speaker 1: the ball. I mean, you know, he was a defensive

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Speaker 1: you know, he worked with his dad. He worked here

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Speaker 1: with his dad for a year. He's been his uh

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Speaker 1: he broke in with Sean Payton on the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: Saints and oh nine, he's he's uh, you know, um

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Speaker 1: been a like I said, he's been a coordinator under

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Speaker 1: his dad to sort to have him in that role. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, on the I mean on offense. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think something that might seem like a little thing,

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Speaker 1: but I mean I think that shows that. H I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's helpful. I mean I

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Speaker 1: think they you know, I think they really get some

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Speaker 1: they get some interesting guys working here in you know,

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Speaker 1: beyond that, those solid core of guys, and you wonder

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Speaker 1: how long that's going to be. You know, Brian Callahan

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Speaker 1: interviewed for a job last year, so to lou in

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Speaker 1: a rumo. Uh, Darren Simmons is one of the best

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Speaker 1: kept secrets in the league. I mean, if John Harbaugh

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Speaker 1: is successful, you know, and it was going to open

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Speaker 1: the door for a special teams coach. Here's here's a guy,

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Speaker 1: you know, going into his twentieth year and it just

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Speaker 1: continues to produce. Uh, you know, but that's good. That's

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Speaker 1: good if if if it's if if they go into

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Speaker 1: the radar, that's good for Cincinnati. Right. So, but it's

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Speaker 1: a you know, it's it's a it's certainly unique to

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Speaker 1: have all three coordinators and your play caller. Yeah, intact,

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Speaker 1: they're also grooming the next wave of guys that could

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Speaker 1: step up if some of those guys are to get

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Speaker 1: head coaching opportunities down the road. Ian Rappaport was here

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Speaker 1: from NFL Network a few days ago. He said one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons he wanted and wanted to come to

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Speaker 1: town was to get to know Dan Pitcher because he's

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Speaker 1: hearing things from around the league. This guy's going to

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Speaker 1: be a future coordinator or maybe someday head coach. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and look at Troy Walters. Let's I mean, look at

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Speaker 1: the year that m Chase had as a rookie. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, coaching's got something to do with that too.

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Speaker 1: And he's a guy who was a well thought of

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator in the college. He's a Stanford guy. His

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Speaker 1: his his futures, you know, to me is limitless because

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Speaker 1: of even before we saw what he did with Chase.

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Speaker 1: So you know, it's a you know Pitcher, you know Pitcher,

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Speaker 1: Troy Walters, you know the Craigthorpe who's helping out helping

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Speaker 1: out Walters with the receivers. You know, you might want

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Speaker 1: to get a good look at these guys because this

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Speaker 1: is what happens when you win. That's That's the tough

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Speaker 1: thing about winning is can you keep your coaches? Final thing?

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Speaker 1: A little bit of a change of subject. You've been

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Speaker 1: working for the Bengals for quite a long time, you

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Speaker 1: know Mike Brown extremely well. What was your initial reaction

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Speaker 1: when someone told you in house, Hey, Jeff, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you've heard this yet, but they're considering a

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Speaker 1: naming rights deal. Yeah, I was. That took me. That

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Speaker 1: took me by surprise. But uh, you know, the great

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Speaker 1: Kerry Hobson when a big fan of your podcast, she

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Speaker 1: wanted to know what was going on, you know, and

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Speaker 1: I said, well, I said, look at it this way,

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Speaker 1: more money for burrowing Chase and uh, okay, you know,

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Speaker 1: so you know what I mean. So I I you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean the thing about Mike is that and I

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Speaker 1: and I have learned this since really i've known him.

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Speaker 1: He's always looking ahead, you know. And hell, when he

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Speaker 1: hired me, he was looking ahead. We didn't no, I

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Speaker 1: didn't don't even know what the team website was going

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Speaker 1: to do, you know. And how there's thirty two of

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Speaker 1: them so or thirty two writers anyway, But you know,

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, I mean, I think he said

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Speaker 1: it best really And you know, Mike, he's got a

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Speaker 1: great he's got a great ability to some something some

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Speaker 1: something up in a few words. And when he said,

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Speaker 1: he goes, I'm sure you know, he goes. My father

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Speaker 1: was off of doing it what's best for the team,

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Speaker 1: So I think he'd be I think he would agree

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Speaker 1: with me with this, and I think I think he's

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Speaker 1: probably right. I mean, this is a whole new you know,

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Speaker 1: there's stadium improvements, there's these monster deals, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's the indoor facility. I mean these were not you know,

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Speaker 1: these were not these were not issues when when the

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Speaker 1: thing was named. So I think it, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think it. Also it's just another example if you if

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Speaker 1: you put if you, if you try to put a

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Speaker 1: label on Mike Brown and do the Mike Brown stereotype

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Speaker 1: not a good idea because he's usually a step ahead.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate your time as always. Thanks Push forty. You're the

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