WEBVTT - 052524 Why Do Black People Want More Police? (Part 2) 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.360 Keep on riding with us as we continue to broadcast 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:04.720 the balance and defend the discourse from these hip hop 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:07.920 weekly studios. Welcome back to Civic Cipher. I'm your host, Ramses. 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:12.160 Joh he is Ramses Joh I am Q ward Man. 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:16.560 Welcome back, if you're just if you're still with us, 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:18.439 and if you're just joining us, thank you for tuning 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:19.320 in the Civic Cipher. 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:21.759 We have a lot in store for you. I know 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.279 what that sigh was, because we just for those that 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:27.040 missed it, we just did our way Black History fact 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:29.960 and it was heavy because a child was executed and 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:32.040 the family is now one hundred years later trying to 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:36.239 get justice for that. But stick around because this part 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:38.239 of the show, we are going to be discussing how 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:42.760 black people overwhelmingly want to maintain or increase police presence. 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:47.600 We came across an article that we felt had some 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:53.960 really important data that we need to interpret and explain 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:57.600 because you know, without that context, it might be a 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:01.120 little alarming. But before we get there, let's discuss Baba 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:05.280 becoming a better ally Baba. You wanna take this one? 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.080 Oh man, I mean you were right. I'm sorry for 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:10.920 kind of still emotionally being stuck in our way black 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:14.080 history fact. But this is sponsored by Friends of the Movement. 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.080 You can sign up for the free voter wallet from 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:21.480 fotmglobal dot com to support black businesses, allied businesses as 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.880 well as make an impact with your spending again fotmglobal 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:29.000 dot com. This is from the Associated Press. Norway, Ireland 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:32.880 and Spain said Wednesday they would recognize the Palestinian State, 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:38.000 a historic but largely symbolic move that further deepens Israel's 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:41.560 isolation more than seven months into its grinding war against 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:45.960 Hamas in Gaza. Israel immediately denounced the decision and recalled 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:50.400 its ambassadors to the three countries. Palestinian officials welcome the 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.280 announcements as an affirmation of their decades long quest for 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:57.480 statehood in East Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:02.760 territories Israel seized and neen sixty seven in the nineteen 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:06.040 sixty seven Mid East War, and that they still control. 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.760 While some one hundred and forty countries more than two 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.120 thirds of the United States I'm sorry, more than two 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:16.239 thirds of the United Nations recognize the Palestinian State, Wednesday's 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:19.079 cascade of announcements could build momentum at a time when 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:23.160 even close allies of Israel have piled on criticism for 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:33.040 its conduct in Gaza. Sometimes your humanity, an acknowledgment of 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:39.239 another person's right to self determination, has to come out 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:42.280 of you. And I think that's why one hundred and 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:46.600 forty countries have just said enough is enough. 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:46.880 Man. 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:51.799 I wish our country was one of them. 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:55.280 I wonder why it's not now to be fair. Joe 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:57.359 Biden has said his peace there needs to be a 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.000 two state solution, but not enough Joe. 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:00.799 All right. 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:07.519 So black people overwhelmingly want to maintain or increase police presence. 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:12.440 They also want better police. This is the title of 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:18.799 an article from Reason dot com. The article's author is 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:24.359 a man named Billy Benyon. I looked his photograph up. 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:27.919 This might have been a couple of weeks ago when 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.799 I first got this article, and we were just now 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.040 getting to it because you know, we only have an 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:38.560 hour a week with you, our listener. So I remember 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:43.480 Billy being white, just so that you understand that, and 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:48.280 we wanted to offer something that we can offer having 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:53.760 lived black lives. Right, I'll share a bit with you 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.760 from the article, based on press coverage over the last 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:01.120 several years, the author Billy Benyon would guess that a 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:05.000 popular knee jerk response to that question would be straightforward 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.800 bad whether or not in terms of whether or not 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:13.720 black people feel good or bad about police, But new 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:17.480 data challenging that notion, finding that while Black Americans do 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:23.000 disproportionately fear cops, they expressed robust support or maintaining or 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.520 increasing police presence and spending. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:36.839 Somebody made a joke to me when I was a kid, 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.000 and as a matter of fact, Eddie Murphy then made 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:46.080 a very similar joke with the same premise. If all 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:54.279 you've ever had is a cracker, you'd think crackers are hitting, Yeah, 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:59.200 but realizing that there's something better, more nutritious, healthier, more filling, 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:03.719 would give you a better impression. If all you've ever 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.080 had is crackers, and somebody comes along and says, hey, man, 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:09.919 we're taking all the crackers away, your natural inclination is 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:11.839 going to be what are you? What are you talking about? 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:17.120 The crackers? We saw teens they help with the pain 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.240 that I get in my listen. 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:24.200 So and this was our problem when when defund the 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:28.719 police was first set out loud. Our problem was, man, 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.960 that that's what we need, but we have to figure 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:33.800 out a way to communicate that better. We have to 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:38.120 come up with better messaging because this is something I 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.520 think we both could agree with. If I was in 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:46.640 a position today me q Ward half of Civic Cipher 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:51.440 where I felt in danger from someone that wasn't the police, 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:58.440 and while trying to get to safety, I saw the police, 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:01.760 even my inclination would be, man, if I can get 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:06.280 to them police right there, I'm gonna be okay. And 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:10.480 I think that that is the natural inclination of everyone. 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.359 If that's all the information you have available to you 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:21.280 at the time. It's always felt like we're safer when 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:22.279 the police are present. 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.000 So I want to talk about that. Why does it 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.920 always feel safer when police are present. Well, we've discussed 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:36.440 on this show many times and it bears repeating. We 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:43.000 turn a blind eye to police corruption. We're almost indoctrinated 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:51.400 in this country because on the one hand, we see 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:57.120 police as heroes, not just in movies. You know, copaganda 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:58.560 and all that sort of stuff. We did a whole 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:01.239 report on copaganda once upon a time for this show, 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:05.080 and it started with dragmed in Los Angeles. The Hollywood 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.960 filmmakers wanted to work with real police stories and blah 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:11.680 blah blah the police in exchange for painting them in 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:13.720 the positive light that they wanted to be painted in. 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.880 This is the LAPD mind you, okay, the Rodney King 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:22.080 beating's lapd, right, But in exchange for those stories, they 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:25.400 wanted to have some control over how they how they 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:29.400 were shown, right, And that relationship with you know, police 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:35.760 in Hollywood, it just grew from there. So that term 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:39.920 is called copaganda. So there's that subtle influence in the 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:41.920 media that the police are the heroes and we see 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:44.920 the cops stories and when we do see the police 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:49.280 being corrupt, they look like Denzel in Training Day. So 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:51.680 that has had its effect on us over the years. 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:57.880 Then when we look at stories of police violence police overreach, 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:03.800 oftentimes we associate police violence with black and brown people, 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:10.600 and because of other social socio political factors, we associate 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.840 black and brown people with criminality, and so rarely do 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.200 we go much deeper than that. You know, Granted, there 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.120 are the stories that pop up every couple of years 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:22.040 where it's a kid that died, or you know, there's 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.280 like police violence where we're looking like, oh my god, 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:24.800 this is good. 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.040 I hate to interject and cut you off. But I 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.520 think the point that you just made is important. We 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:33.240 see police violence against black and brown people. We see 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.600 black and brown people as criminals. So the police are 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:37.880 being violent, but they're being violent to the criminals. So 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:41.800 it's too simple and a reason why it's important to 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:43.959 point that out because people want to say that we 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.640 race bait or we interject race where it doesn't belong. 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:51.520 But here's the facts. This past week, a very popular 0:08:51.720 --> 0:09:00.240 white golfer was pulled over, arrested, has mugshot taken, and 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:07.320 millions of back the Blue people angrily changed their tune 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:13.480 to those thugs should be arrested and fired because the 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:18.720 person who was probably being handled in a way that 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.679 was more aggressive than he deserved. I think people expect 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.040 us to be like, yeah, rough up the white dude 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.800 like you do us. No, no, no, no, nobody should 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.439 get roughed up. Give us the same benefit of the 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:34.520 doubt and civility and human treatment that you give white people. 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.040 We're not calling for you to treat white people worse. 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.760 Just be as kind to us and as respectful to 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:42.760 us as you are to them. People were up in 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:47.760 arms because this guy was pulled over and asked to stop. 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:53.560 And when cops were being out of line trying to 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:57.600 pull him through his window, his fight or flight kicked 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:01.080 in and he tried to drive away. They then used 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.800 him trying to drive away as a reason to justify 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:08.520 treating him worse. Oh, now you've done it. Now we're 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.880 definitely gonna arrest you. They put him in an orange jumpsuit, 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:16.360 took his mugshot, resisting arrest, assaulting an officer, whatever the case, 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:21.200 and people were up in arms. And the reason why 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:25.960 it's obvious. People even got on you know, these internets 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:29.200 and said they'd never seen anything like that before. And 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:33.560 people were like, yo, never seen anything, You've never seen 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:38.160 any But what they mean kind of a Freudian slip, 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.959 is that they've never seen a whit white celebrity importantly 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:45.000 treated that way by the cops, and now they somehow 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:46.440 see that it's wrong. 0:10:46.600 --> 0:11:00.920 Sure, well, welcome to the real world. Uh so, yeah, 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:08.160 this it's it's strange that police get the hero narrative 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:14.440 without exception. You know, if you're an officer, you put 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.400 the uniform on your hero, same with with like soldiers, 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:21.400 you know, thanks thanks for your What is it when 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:25.240 they say thanks for your service. Yeah, that's it. And 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:27.200 I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with thanking a 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:30.040 soldier for their service. I have a brother that's in 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:34.880 the military, right, and I do recognize that they serve 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.720 their country. And I'd even go as far as to 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:42.920 say that that the individual officers you know there, there's 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:46.360 there's there's something to be said about that position having 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:49.880 a modicum of value at least, right, as you mentioned Q, 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:51.679 if you're running from someone and there happens to be 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:55.840 an officer there that that their job is to help 0:11:55.880 --> 0:12:00.520 out in a tense situation. Right. The system they belong 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:07.640 to is rotten, corrupt, and it disproportionately and negatively affects 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.760 black and brown people. And when it overreaches that's when, 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.680 as you mentioned, other people get a glimpse into how 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:18.240 this works. The culture that is at you know, that 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:26.120 is present and policing as an institution. And because that 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:30.640 narrative stands in contrast to the hero narrative that has 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:35.560 resulted of that copaganda, often it results in in action, right, 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:39.760 and it has historically resulted in action when it's associated 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:41.760 with black people. Well, you know, they beat a black 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.360 guy up. What wasn't he on drugs? 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:46.760 Wasn't he a criminal? Yeah? 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.320 Didn't remember? Well, this guy beat up his girlfriend, you know, 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:51.200 eight years ago. 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:53.280 Didn't he have a gun? Wait? 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.360 What didn't y'all to Yeah, this America a second Amendment? 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:57.400 What y'all right to bear? 0:12:57.880 --> 0:12:59.040 Don't everybody get one of those? 0:12:59.040 --> 0:12:59.760 That's y'all right? 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:00.360 Said that? 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:02.360 Right? You have a gun too? 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.400 Right? Yes? So but he had a gun. You can't 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:05.840 have a gun. 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:07.640 Oh, him having a gun is criminal? 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:11.000 Oh yeah, okay, because he looked like there you go God? 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:13.240 Now yeah, okay, So it's a different set of rule. 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:13.840 Now we're now. 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.800 I didn't know now we yet, So now I know 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:21.920 that with different anyway, we should do a play with 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.320 with no words, just responses. I think we can nail 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:36.559 it in any event. Uh, over time, as Q mentioned, 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:38.680 you know, when all you're eating is a cracker, and 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.160 the cracker is what is the only thing that you 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:47.280 have to quell your hunger? Uh, the cracker becomes the 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.559 sustenance that's that you you come to rely on. It, 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.200 you recome. You can only conceive of a world where 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:58.960 that continues. Maybe more crackers so that you have more food. 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:00.960 I'll be Yeah, you give me crackers, I definitely be 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:01.520 less hungry. 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.760 Yeah, so they're more food, So problem solve. Right. The 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:08.400 thing is for those of us that work in an 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.760 activism space, for people that are engaged politically and have 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:18.040 a degree of intelligence and are data driven, uh, and 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:25.600 they they search for objective facts in terms of shaping 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:28.680 real outcomes for communities. For those people, which admittedly is 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:32.400 a smaller group of people, those are people who have traveled. 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:34.400 Those are people who have been to other countries and 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.360 see how they do it. Those are people who have 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:38.080 eaten more than just crackers. 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:39.840 Yes, right, For. 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:46.120 Those people, people like me and you Q, we can 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:50.480 come across a concept like defund the police, and once 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:54.040 we get past the wording and the messaging, we can say, okay, 0:14:54.200 --> 0:15:00.960 well this is an attack on the again that primordial 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.680 sludge that produces crime. 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.200 So even with us, he didn't have It was about 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.280 getting past the words. We just knew a lot of 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:10.160 people would stop. A lot of people wouldn't. They would 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:11.720 stop reading once they saw that. 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:13.360 Yeah, we didn't have a problem with defunding. 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:19.920 We was like, yes, sure, opportunity, why excess resources, community centers, therapy, 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.360 the stuff that will really use crime more jobs. 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:25.920 Let me tell you this, Even just reading that first 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.640 headline about defunding the police, I'm like, oh, defunding the police. 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:30.280 Before I knew any of that, before I knew what 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.480 it meant to reinvest, they knew what they meant. 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:34.760 Yeah, but before before I knew, he knew what it 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:36.280 meant to us immediately. 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:39.920 Well, so again just reading the headline defund the police, 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:41.720 because I saw it at the protests and I didn't 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:46.320 know what it meant, and I'm thinking, defund the police. Okay, 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.920 so they get less tanks. Cool, because police don't need tanks, 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:52.760 because I bet any amount of money I would not 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.240 run up to a police officer if he had like 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:59.560 a huge AK forty seven standing in front of a tank. 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.840 That's a whole different type of police officer. If I'm 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:04.640 getting chased, I'm like, listen, I'll take my chance with 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.280 what's chasing me right now, because I don't need a tank. 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:08.480 Because a dog I could kick that. 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:15.800 Yeah. So anyway, you know, this militarization of the police, 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.160 this intimidation of the police, the police and riot gear 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:21.000 and tactical gear and they look like soldiers at war 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:23.560 does not feel like the sort of thing you want 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:23.960 to run. 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.240 Up again at war with In most cases, when you 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:31.680 see that gear, unarmed protesters boom, that look like us boom. 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:35.880 Right, So immediately that whole defund the thing. I thought 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:39.120 it meant, just stop giving them money to buy more 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:43.320 helicopters and more whatever. Because the more money you give police, 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:46.760 you would think it impacts crime rates, and it just 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.120 flat doesn't. There are data stuff, Yeah, they just have 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.040 more stuff, right, But when you put money into programs 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:54.400 and start programs. 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.600 Don't be fair. In some cases they hire more officers. 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:58.440 Yeah, but that even that doesn't impact. 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.040 But we know that that also doesn't affect crime ris. 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.560 Yes, And you got to think about police in terms 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.439 of what they really are. Police only respond to crime, 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.560 and I think it's like upwards of ninety five percent 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:15.480 of cases the only thing police can do is respond 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:18.879 to crime after it has already happened. I think it 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:20.240 might be higher than that. I'm not sure. 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.080 Collect some information about the crime that already happened, and 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:25.520 then in a lot of cases not solve it, not 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.040 find the perpetrator, and not make any arrest. 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:30.480 Yeah, so don't hold me to this data because it 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.240 might it might just be very localized data, maybe somewhere 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.439 in California because they have a vague recollection of it, 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:40.560 but please look it up on your own police I 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:42.639 think they solve something in the neighborhood of like sixty 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:45.199 seven percent of crimes. Right, And again that might not 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:48.359 be universally around the whole country for every department, but 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:52.200 that might give you an idea into exactly what we're 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.919 getting when we get police. More police doesn't mean less crime, 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.760 and it doesn't mean more crimes get solved. Right, So 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.119 logical linear thinking people who have eaten more than just 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:07.560 crackers might rethink the approach to public safety and say, well, 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:11.720 instead of more police officers, because again, that doesn't impact 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.919 crime rates and it doesn't solve crimes all in one 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.600 hundred percent of instances, or even seventy percent of instances, 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:23.240 let's invest this money, this police budgets into things that 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.320 will really impact crime rates, that will lessen the amount 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.679 of crime rates. And as I was mentioning, head start programs, 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:35.119 after school programs have a drastic effect on crime rates. 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:39.960 Economic opportunities, job opportunities have a drastic impact on crime rates. 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:44.199 As of April twenty twenty four, the percentage of offenses 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.720 cleared by arrest. And this just means cleared by arrest. 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.159 This doesn't mean these persons goes to court and then 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:55.160 is found guilty. Down from sixty four percent to fifty two. Boom, 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:57.840 And that's for you know, murder nine, that's as a 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:02.439 regligent homicide, as a twenty twenty four okay, aggravated assault 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.760 down to forty one percent, crime down to thirty six percent, 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.040 rape down to twenty six percent. So it's as a 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:10.000 national average. 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.359 So that's the amount of crimes that get solved by police. 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:16.800 The amount of crimes that have that lead to an arrest. Okay, 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:18.760 that doesn't even mean that the crime was solved, so 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:22.240 its you got still people get arrested that didn't do anything. 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:25.720 All the time. Sometimes the arrest is made so that 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.040 the crime can be cleared. So we got somebody. 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:33.120 So so knowing that, knowing that the police aren't even 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:34.440 remotely close. 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:37.040 At best, every other person just completely gets away with it. 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:40.399 There you go, and knowing that it doesn't impact the 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.600 crime rates in the first place. So no crime rates 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:47.159 are getting impacted, and the crime that is being have 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:49.960 isn't being solved. I think the highest number you told 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:53.000 you it was fifty two fifty two, so let's. 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:54.760 Call it half offenses cleared by an arrest. 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:56.760 So that's the highest number. So let me read the 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:59.600 rest of this quote. Our key finding was that Black 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:03.360 America prefer to maintain or increase police patrol and spending, 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.520 and that this preference was not conditional on the described 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:10.360 crime rates or policing reforms. This is written by Linda 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:14.800 Barklova and Justin Pickett of the University of Saint Albany, 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:19.359 sun y Amanda Graham and Sewn Patrick Roach of Texas 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:23.399 State University, and Francis T. Cullen of the University of Cincinnati. Quote. 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:26.800 Most Black Americans reported that even if crime rates fell, 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:29.400 and even if there were no new police reforms, they 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:34.200 still wanted to maintain or increase police patrol and spending. Crazy, right, it. 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:35.600 Is well established and feel safe? 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:38.560 Right? It is well established the black people are disproportionately 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:41.959 afraid of cops, particularly in comparison to their white counterparts. 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:44.640 Black Americans are reportedly more than five times as likely 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:47.200 than white people to fear excessive forced from the police. 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:50.400 What's more, a study by three of the same researchers, Picket, Graham, 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:52.720 and Cohen found that forty two percent of black respondents 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:55.680 were quote very afraid police would kill them sometime within 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:56.840 the next five years. 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:59.280 Eleven Stockholm syndrome right, only. 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:02.199 Eleven percent of why respondents feared the same thing. But 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.440 in their more recent study, they found that such fear 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:09.160 co exists, however, counterintuitively with that strong desire to keep 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:12.080 or increase police presence and funding. According to their data, 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:14.560 eighty one percent of Black Americans who say they are 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:17.479 afraid or very afraid of cops want to maintain or 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:20.960 increase police spending, while seventy eight percent of those respondents 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:23.240 want to maintain or increase the number of cops in 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:27.919 their communities. Interestingly, non black residents were more likely to 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:32.199 express openness to decreasing police spending when crime is on 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:39.400 the decline. So it's wild that we black people can 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:45.480 be subjected to the same influences and miss the same data. 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:48.320 That or completely disregard that data. 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:53.280 That is showing us that this is not working. But 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:57.800 it doesn't mean that it's necessarily good for us. We 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:01.680 all need more education, So we'll leave that one right there. 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:04.200 Once again, I'd like to thank you for tuning into 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:06.200 this episode. Of Civic Cipher. I have been your host 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:06.880 rams this job. 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:09.239 I am Q Ward. We love y'all. Thank you for 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:11.800 supporting us and for listening to us. 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