Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorn Smith.
Speaker 2: And daphnews Aniga an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Hi, guys, we're so excited today Jack Wagner.
Speaker 3: Excited Jack Wagner, So welcome.
Speaker 4: To Still the Place. We're so excited to hear of you.
Speaker 5: I think to see you guys. I don't know if
Speaker 5: you had video of it, clearly you may not. But
Speaker 5: just the greeting I got out front was like that.
Speaker 6: That never happened at work. Girls. Okay, we're matured.
Speaker 7: As we got older, we realized what we have.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we realized thirty five years later.
Speaker 1: You've been waiting thirty five years for that greeting. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it happened to be chat.
Speaker 2: What was it back in the day and the makeup
Speaker 2: don't talk to me? Yeah, yeah, it's right.
Speaker 6: Hey, Laura, you want to talk to this. I don't
Speaker 6: want to run yet. Run them out there.
Speaker 5: You guys were really great and uh listen, it was
Speaker 5: always I think we had a lot of uh the
Speaker 5: attitude seemed to be really positive, even the makeup trailers, right,
Speaker 5: I think people were beat.
Speaker 6: Up, yeah, because we did a lot of work.
Speaker 5: But I think overall it was kind of a fun group.
Speaker 5: I always remember it that way.
Speaker 2: I think that there was so much drama on the camera,
Speaker 2: Like I would just read these and going like what
Speaker 2: that I was spending time like preparing getting these mental
Speaker 2: and emotional states that I was just relieved to see
Speaker 2: like a normal person at the at the you know,
Speaker 2: getting lunch or something.
Speaker 6: Hi, guys, Jack, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: Joy very upset was upset.
Speaker 8: It's been the consensus too.
Speaker 3: I mean we've had other guests in and we've talked
Speaker 3: about it all the time, like we were just a
Speaker 3: happy group of people, like we liked our jobs, we
Speaker 3: liked pre each other, and that was just exceptional. And
Speaker 3: the fact that thirty five years later we're so excited
Speaker 3: to see everybody again, and.
Speaker 5: I want to just to hear point daff and I
Speaker 5: think that that was We all really treated the material
Speaker 5: that way, really seriously, right, whatever emotional state, however crazy
Speaker 5: it was, whatever it was, we were all real pros,
Speaker 5: I thought, yeah, and did our best to make it
Speaker 5: exciting and believable and sexy and funny or whatever it was. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: And I think that was consistent throughout the cast, don't
Speaker 5: you well.
Speaker 7: You know, I jumped ahead. We don't ahead. You came
Speaker 7: in season three, episode six.
Speaker 2: OK, not that you needed to know that, but we
Speaker 2: figured that out, and you came on like the freaking
Speaker 2: soap icon that you are. You just did so much
Speaker 2: with your eyes and that hair, but I mean your
Speaker 2: eyes were so you came in with this power. I'm
Speaker 2: head of the hospital, your chief is chief of staff,
Speaker 2: and you just like put whoever came in in their place.
Speaker 2: Michael and h and Marcia for sure, but you were
Speaker 2: just I was like, Wow, this guy has done this before.
Speaker 1: It's so true and it's hard to own a set
Speaker 1: because you're I mean, you were coming.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: Did you know when you started that you were going
Speaker 1: to be on for so long? Was it an ARC
Speaker 1: or were you hired full time right away?
Speaker 5: To my memory, I think I was hired full time
Speaker 5: and I knew I'd be a part of the cast.
Speaker 5: And my goal, to your point, was to make an impact, right.
Speaker 5: I really wanted to be this alpha male, you know,
Speaker 5: no matter what it was, so that mission accomplishment totally.
Speaker 8: Did you audition?
Speaker 7: Did you?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 5: You know, last week we spoke and I thought about
Speaker 5: it and I was doing a guest spot on a
Speaker 5: Canadian TV show in Montreal, okay, And my agent called
Speaker 5: and said, I'm sending you a script from melrose Place
Speaker 5: and I was like soaped out. I'm like, no chance,
Speaker 5: I'm not doing it. It feels like a soap. And
Speaker 5: they said, well, it's a hot show and you'd be
Speaker 5: working opposite Heather.
Speaker 6: Locklare and so I'm like, okay, all right, well, all right,
Speaker 6: all right.
Speaker 5: So I took this script and flew across you know,
Speaker 5: a long flight from Montreal and changed everything he wrote,
Speaker 5: We did this that, and did you guys audition in
Speaker 5: Aaron's officer and Spelling's office. Okay, So you know the office, right,
Speaker 5: And for those who don't, it's this big, kind of white,
Speaker 5: shag carpeted big office, right, and it has a seating
Speaker 5: almost like bench like along the walls. Huge, huge, huge, right,
Speaker 5: So it's almost sort of like a Broadway audition with
Speaker 5: just cafeteria tables. You walk in and it's just a
Speaker 5: line of people and executives, and you know, it's nerve wracking.
Speaker 6: And I went.
Speaker 5: In and read with the casting director and this did
Speaker 5: this whole improvisational, completely offscript, you know, got right in
Speaker 5: her grill, grabbed your face, you know, with her hair,
Speaker 5: did everything right, just went for it and got the part.
Speaker 6: Wow. Okay.
Speaker 5: So my first day on set was this scene and
Speaker 5: I started doing what I.
Speaker 6: Did in the audition.
Speaker 7: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're all laughing because you know what happened, right,
Speaker 5: and I think that director. The director was like, uh, yeah,
Speaker 5: cut Jack, you need to call Darren Starr.
Speaker 6: He's waiting to talk to you.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh, okay, hey Darren, Hey Jack, what's
Speaker 5: going on?
Speaker 6: I said, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I'm just kind of doing that idea, just doing it
Speaker 5: the way I did in the audition. He goes, yeah,
Speaker 5: we do the lines that are written here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 5: It was like, okay, well that was my first experience
Speaker 5: with that.
Speaker 7: We do the lines, we do the.
Speaker 6: Lines is written. But that's how I got the.
Speaker 2: Point because we were season three and they had had
Speaker 2: so many people like winging in getting little maybe a
Speaker 2: little lazy, I don't know. I had an experience because
Speaker 2: we had fax machines back then where I had edited
Speaker 2: a scene as a good little girl that I am,
Speaker 2: and I faxed it to Derek to see ahead of
Speaker 2: time because I wasn't gonna like, you know, and he
Speaker 2: facts back Daphne. We don't make a habit good edits,
Speaker 2: but don't make a habit of editing the things.
Speaker 7: We don't do that here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I was the new kid on the block.
Speaker 5: Well that's that my train.
Speaker 7: You did a lot with your eyes. I think you
Speaker 7: put all that in your eyes and you're staring.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been watching the episodes again.
Speaker 1: I think it was such a good acting exercise, though,
Speaker 1: because I can see myself struggling to make lines work,
Speaker 1: like taking pauses in weird places to add the whatever
Speaker 1: the weird end of.
Speaker 4: The sentence was. You could see like it really was.
Speaker 1: It really built that muscle, like we could make it work, anything.
Speaker 4: Work because you had no choice. That's right, It wasn't
Speaker 4: going to change.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 5: Really is an acting exercise. I don't think people understand that.
Speaker 5: But when materials, we'll call it thin.
Speaker 7: Right, if it's thin or over the top.
Speaker 5: Or over the top, whatever it is, how are we
Speaker 5: going to make this believable?
Speaker 6: That's really the exercise. So I totally agree.
Speaker 2: Now, Jack was a different because you'd come from other soaps.
Speaker 2: You were such a star on General Hospital, So was
Speaker 2: this a different kind of soap?
Speaker 7: Nighttime soap?
Speaker 5: Or was it massive to go to nighttime television from
Speaker 5: daytime because I was really pigeonholed, you know, from General
Speaker 5: Hospital and having a number one record and never really
Speaker 5: being taken seriously as a musical artist, et cetera. Right,
Speaker 5: and I'm like a thespian, Okay, I'm like from drama
Speaker 5: school and classic theater and Stella Adler and here my
Speaker 5: first real big break was on a soap opera.
Speaker 6: Okay, So this was.
Speaker 5: Huge for me to score a nighttime series, whether it
Speaker 5: be soap esque or whatever.
Speaker 6: You know, it was a big jump.
Speaker 1: And soon if we'll talk about the schedule being challenging,
Speaker 1: but you were like, this is nothing compared to a
Speaker 1: daytime soap, right, yeah.
Speaker 5: Pay seriously, girls like I. When you're on a front
Speaker 5: burner storyline on a soap opera, you can have fifty
Speaker 5: sixty pages of dialogue. Sometimes you'd have to do two
Speaker 5: episodes in one. And now they've condensed soap operas into
Speaker 5: doing four to five episodes a day, you know, the
Speaker 5: ones that have survived, right, But back then, you know,
Speaker 5: it was really Uh, if you're on a front burner storyline,
Speaker 5: you could have fifty sixty pages a dialogue, which I
Speaker 5: had quite a few times.
Speaker 7: I mean Maro's we shot about eight pages a day total.
Speaker 7: What's been people, So it.
Speaker 5: Was piece of cake, yeah for you different, Yeah, but
Speaker 5: it was still I prefer I like to move fast.
Speaker 5: I like to I call it power running. I love
Speaker 5: the run lines. I love to get the staging and
Speaker 5: then run lines and listen to the actor's voice. And
Speaker 5: you know, because we all have a bit of a
Speaker 5: preconceived notion, right when you rehearse a scene at home
Speaker 5: and you're going over it, But when you hear the
Speaker 5: other actor's voice and their intonation and stage it, it
Speaker 5: takes on a different it's a different scene completely sometimes.
Speaker 6: So you know, that's always the best.
Speaker 5: Challenge for me is to be now that I'm older,
Speaker 5: more organic and available in rehearsal, especially in rehearsal because
Speaker 5: even on the show I'm on now when calls the Heart,
Speaker 5: I'm the only actor who's always in makeup, always in
Speaker 5: wardrobe for rehearsal.
Speaker 6: It's just how I like it.
Speaker 5: I just like to always be ready and sort of
Speaker 5: just to be available for what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about how your Laura and Michael
Speaker 1: stuff was like a separate show.
Speaker 7: Like that office was like a separate comedy in there.
Speaker 1: Right, And we had a little comedy when you doctor
Speaker 1: said that different we could go there and you guys
Speaker 1: just had a ball.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were doing other stuff, like stuff was blowing
Speaker 3: up and set all the time, and we were like,
Speaker 3: this is really funny.
Speaker 6: We had our un comedy shop, didn't we.
Speaker 9: Up with your little crazy little matching outfit taking messages
Speaker 9: and like do you remember there was like some sort
Speaker 9: I would put them on a pencil and I don't know,
Speaker 9: it's just just prop fun.
Speaker 6: We were like fun. Yeah, we were great at it,
Speaker 6: were you well? I mean I was always.
Speaker 5: Trying to pull an apple in here or there, like
Speaker 5: what what's what's with the apple?
Speaker 6: What's he doing? You know, we don't need an apple.
Speaker 7: We don't need you might need an apple.
Speaker 8: We should try that.
Speaker 7: We actually might.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we I think we had a little comedy
Speaker 5: company there, right.
Speaker 7: It was fantastic.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was there saying where's the apple? Where's the apple
Speaker 1: was in this? It was in your right it was
Speaker 1: in your left hand.
Speaker 8: There is that? Okay?
Speaker 2: Then it always fun when someone comes up with a
Speaker 2: prop and then like but then we don't really know
Speaker 2: how to use it.
Speaker 7: It was so organic in the moment.
Speaker 2: They're like, well, you better repeat it four more times
Speaker 2: and make it seymore.
Speaker 8: Make it a sh dick.
Speaker 6: That's right.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I have to add I haven't told this story,
Speaker 3: but I think, asking you if you remember it, is
Speaker 3: this is the perfect time to tell the story. There
Speaker 3: was a time, and it was while we were shooting
Speaker 3: all those scenes in that doctor's office, and it was
Speaker 3: comedy and fun whatever. I decided it was time to
Speaker 3: straighten my teeth, and so I got braces.
Speaker 8: Do you remember this.
Speaker 7: Talk about.
Speaker 3: I got them on the inside of And then we
Speaker 3: went to have a scene together and poor Jack could
Speaker 3: not look me in the eye. Right now, I want
Speaker 3: to hear this from your you tell the story.
Speaker 5: I think I think I remember one take, just stopping
Speaker 5: and going, can anybody understand her?
Speaker 6: It sounds like you because I don't. I don't really
Speaker 6: know what she said. Okay, so you know I had
Speaker 6: to get you right away.
Speaker 8: You were so great because you were you were like.
Speaker 3: Really sympathetic to my plight, and like Jack, I can't talk,
Speaker 3: hang on, she's stribbling out of her mind.
Speaker 5: Laura could I clean you up just real quick, because.
Speaker 8: Help me, help me.
Speaker 3: You're like, just cover I was so badly and you're like,
Speaker 3: what is wrong with you?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Fun day that your messages.
Speaker 3: But I will never think of that time without thinking
Speaker 3: of it through your eyes, because it was your face
Speaker 3: that I was seeing the whole truth.
Speaker 7: I was like, oh, this is mae.
Speaker 8: I did have them taken off.
Speaker 3: I think that night, like I came back to work
Speaker 3: the next day and they had been ripped off.
Speaker 5: It always one day if she yeah, of listening and
Speaker 5: spittling all over the Jack.
Speaker 3: Was Jack was the perfect scene partner to have for
Speaker 3: that experience, giving.
Speaker 7: Me ideas for oh my god, if we ever do
Speaker 7: it again. I yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you have a storyline that you remember, like as
Speaker 1: being either really traumatic or really fun when that sticks
Speaker 1: out in your mind?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 5: I think it was when Marcia was in the insane
Speaker 5: asylum Kimberly, you know, and that was, uh, yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: It was great because we really worked well together in
Speaker 5: terms of the thespian part of it. She was so
Speaker 5: committed to being insane, and therefore I was so committed
Speaker 5: to and it was physical, you know, like throwing things
Speaker 5: and really in a chamber and I remember specifically that storyline.
Speaker 5: I felt like it was a really strong acting exercise
Speaker 5: because we wanted to make it believable, right. And I
Speaker 5: can't remember exactly how the storyline went, but you know
Speaker 5: he was there to help her, right, So there was
Speaker 5: a compassionate part as well as her having to convince
Speaker 5: she was crazy.
Speaker 6: And you just don't get to do You.
Speaker 5: Get thrown in the pool, you get slapped, you know
Speaker 5: those things. But this was more of a state of
Speaker 5: being and she was great. Yeah, I think Marcia was
Speaker 5: really able to go someplace that she maybe hadn't.
Speaker 6: Gone on the show. And so that remember that that
Speaker 6: was for.
Speaker 5: Me just really working with another actor on another level
Speaker 5: than we usually had bed scenes or this or that.
Speaker 6: This reminded me of, yes, that's really good day.
Speaker 7: There were committed.
Speaker 5: I saw that that's what it was and how to
Speaker 5: make it believable, right, and it just was really yeah,
Speaker 5: you commit, you commit, and we ran the lines a
Speaker 5: lot and were able to tweak things. I'm going to
Speaker 5: ask you guys this because you brought up who you've
Speaker 5: had on the show, right, So if whoever it was
Speaker 5: that was an executive producer that happened to write that
Speaker 5: show and then direct it. I always found that if
Speaker 5: I wanted something change, I would have to call. And
Speaker 5: it's always tough with a phone call because they don't
Speaker 5: really feel the performance because you.
Speaker 6: Try to act it out or whatever.
Speaker 5: But if they're on set and you have an idea
Speaker 5: and you can show that, it was like, oh I
Speaker 5: love that, Yeah, let's do that. So I've found anytime
Speaker 5: that the executive whoever wrote it was also a producer
Speaker 5: and directing, it was so much easier to collaborate totally.
Speaker 7: You guys, did you totally?
Speaker 3: Like so many of the producer and writers, they were
Speaker 3: not on the set and it was a phone call,
Speaker 3: and so he said, like for him like that, it
Speaker 3: was easier for him to be on the set and
Speaker 3: to be witnessing what was going on, and so he
Speaker 3: felt a little bit more connected.
Speaker 5: To Lake just getting a phone call from an act
Speaker 5: that didn't like this or something, because that's not really
Speaker 5: what it was. It was about this isn't working right,
Speaker 5: and I think this can work this it might be better.
Speaker 7: Do you remember so much? Express if you can show them,
Speaker 7: do you remember any.
Speaker 6: Specific because everything everything, the.
Speaker 7: Crazy part we're talking.
Speaker 5: About or no, this was this was really you know, Daphney,
Speaker 5: more just about just just normal structural scene work. I
Speaker 5: think that something could be funnier, right Laura, you know Courtney,
Speaker 5: or something could be a little bit sexier if we
Speaker 5: did this or said it this way, or maybe didn't
Speaker 5: use words right, really cut some of the dialogue and
Speaker 5: just let the moment play. It could be much more
Speaker 5: sexier sometimes and maybe a bit stronger. But that you
Speaker 5: couldn't always translate over a phone call.
Speaker 1: Well, no, the problem was before you were there. In
Speaker 1: the very beginning, we were so far away. We're in
Speaker 1: Santa Clarita, they were in Midwis. They were in mid Willshre. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's about an hour drive away. So we would
Speaker 1: change things in the beginning and the meaning by accident.
Speaker 1: So that's what happened. We ruined it was our fault. Sorry,
Speaker 1: so sorry, we the first one's ruined it for everybody else.
Speaker 4: So that's what happened.
Speaker 1: They just felt too far away and it's too bad,
Speaker 1: Like it would have been great to have a producer
Speaker 1: on set. We had Chip, but a writing producer on set.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, yes, you're right, but they just couldn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I remember writing quest that I had. I
Speaker 2: would ask Chip and then they he would make a
Speaker 2: call and they'd come back and they'd say, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 2: But you know, to the writer's credit, writing has rhythm
Speaker 2: to it and it has you know, meaning, and it's
Speaker 2: nothing worse than like an actor coming and going I'm
Speaker 2: going to make this better and they're not making it better,
Speaker 2: I'm making it easier.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that what you did, mister Jack, but
Speaker 7: I think.
Speaker 6: You make a good point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, their job is yeah, and we don't really can't.
Speaker 5: That's why the call is about collaboration. Yes, like help
Speaker 5: me understand and then that would be it. Sometimes I
Speaker 5: would better understand where they're coming. So I've always been
Speaker 5: a big fan of that type of open collaboration with
Speaker 5: an executive producer or a writing team or a head writer.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like it got more collabor or more
Speaker 3: open to that conversation over time, Like the longer the
Speaker 3: show went on, the more did they start to trust. Like,
Speaker 3: the three of us were not there in season six
Speaker 3: and seven, so we don't have a sense of like
Speaker 3: how that felt.
Speaker 6: But.
Speaker 3: In your you were there from three to seven, and
Speaker 3: so did you find that over time, it became a
Speaker 3: little bit more like trusting. Like you mentioned that on
Speaker 3: When Calls the Heart, there's just a level of trust
Speaker 3: and you can have that collaboration.
Speaker 8: Did that ever happen?
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, it happened because I think they started to understand,
Speaker 5: you know that I wasn't coming from a place of ego.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm coming from a place of how to
Speaker 5: raise the bar. And when they directed, like who were
Speaker 5: our executives that directed? It was Chip and Chuck Pratt
Speaker 5: and who else?
Speaker 7: Frank never directed Frank South.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I think once that experience happened, they knew
Speaker 5: that this was coming from a place of like collaboration, right,
Speaker 5: So it was much easier as it went on because
Speaker 5: you know, they wanted the show to go longer, and
Speaker 5: I think they trusted me. It wasn't I wasn't coming
Speaker 5: from a place of trying to be controlling. My ego
Speaker 5: is coming from you know, this is a little clumsy,
Speaker 5: it's not working.
Speaker 1: How did it feel in six and seven? Did it
Speaker 1: feel different? Feels like a different show to us because
Speaker 1: we weren't there. You feel different when you were there
Speaker 1: because there were only a few people who stayed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it always felt okay with me as
Speaker 5: long as Heather was there because I think she was
Speaker 5: the DNA of the show in terms of right and
Speaker 5: nothing to take away from you guys at all, but
Speaker 5: you know, I think that for this is for me.
Speaker 5: If she was there, I always had a comrade in arms,
Speaker 5: someone who was funny on set, you know, and someone
Speaker 5: I had a history with. My character had a history
Speaker 5: with them show. I think once they started bringing on
Speaker 5: new women for my character, I think nothing against them,
Speaker 5: but like Lisa Rena.
Speaker 7: And Jamie Luner.
Speaker 5: Jamie, that's right, Jamie came on, and so that's all fine.
Speaker 5: I think you have to bring you know, new characters on, etc.
Speaker 5: But I think it lost. I think it lost some
Speaker 5: of its audience when you guys weren't there. I really do,
Speaker 5: because you're trying to bring on new people that audiences
Speaker 5: will root for.
Speaker 7: And not only us, but they're behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: People left. Darren had gone, you know, some other people left.
Speaker 2: They must have brought in other writers. I'm just wondering
Speaker 2: if there was a change in tone and in writing
Speaker 2: as well. It felt like, you know, maybe it was
Speaker 2: a little more and more over the top, more crazy,
Speaker 2: more Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think it got a little crazier, yeah, and a
Speaker 5: little more far fetched a bit if you want to
Speaker 5: call it that.
Speaker 6: You know, but that was part of the show's beauty
Speaker 6: as well. Yes, you know, that's what made the show
Speaker 6: work for sure.
Speaker 5: I think when you start to bring on new characters
Speaker 5: and you're a bit far fetched, it's more difficult for
Speaker 5: an audience to engage and to connect to the believability
Speaker 5: of it.
Speaker 6: And I think it also.
Speaker 1: Happened also to connect to the characters. Like if you
Speaker 1: have the characters you're with from the beginning, and then
Speaker 1: like you can come in Heather, people can come in
Speaker 1: and then there's room. But when everybody's new, it's hard
Speaker 1: to figure out where your point is. Obviously they can
Speaker 1: still connect to you when Heather and Thomas, but I
Speaker 1: think it's hard to meet that many new characters.
Speaker 6: I think you're right. I think that's what happened.
Speaker 2: Did you know anyone on our stet, Melrose before you
Speaker 2: came on this show?
Speaker 7: Do you remember you didn't know Heather already?
Speaker 6: No? No, no, I didn't know anybody anything, but I
Speaker 6: do know ye to see you. I knew Chuck Pratt.
Speaker 5: Chuck Pratt is the one who had me called in
Speaker 5: two auditions from general very good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was fun to talk to you because he
Speaker 1: comes from the soapback soapbackground. He was talking about when
Speaker 1: the show took a turn, and that was also the
Speaker 1: exact word thing, because he said, you don't know where
Speaker 1: we've put a word that will come up six episodes
Speaker 1: down the line, like it was. They had to storyboard
Speaker 1: it so carefully, So that was part of it too,
Speaker 1: But it was fun to hear him talk about he
Speaker 1: was the one who had that understanding of how to
Speaker 1: make that work when they realized it couldn't be eight
Speaker 1: kids trying to make it because nobody watched it when
Speaker 1: it was eight.
Speaker 6: Kids trying to make Yes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think to Chuck's credit, you know, and
Speaker 5: also what we've talked about about, you know, making a
Speaker 5: scene better, We don't really know what a writer or
Speaker 5: writing staff's intention is by putting something in there that's
Speaker 5: going to pay off, you know, later on in the season.
Speaker 5: So that's you know, they have to protect, you know,
Speaker 5: their storyboards, and it's not.
Speaker 2: Only words, it's characteristics sometimes, so like they'll have in
Speaker 2: this script, you know, Joe is you know, meekly blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, and I'm like.
Speaker 7: I don't want to play Meg, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But there's a reason because some other devil and then
Speaker 2: she rises up against him finally, and it's more satisfying,
Speaker 2: who knows. But that also was frustrating where they are,
Speaker 2: you know, it's not just the words that they are
Speaker 2: thinking ahead with. But he said he did this really well.
Speaker 2: Did you work with him on you did on General Hospital?
Speaker 6: I think so?
Speaker 7: He said to us, he put us through the soap
Speaker 7: opera mill. Do you remember that? Oh, we put you
Speaker 7: guys through the mill, you know, like just cranked it.
Speaker 7: We cranked you guys through.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think yeah, he was referring to storey
Speaker 3: lions and jumping through. But then also that we had
Speaker 3: thirty two episodes a season is almost like a soap schedule,
Speaker 3: I mean, but in a different like long.
Speaker 8: Haul, right, I mean, you're doing okay?
Speaker 5: You have?
Speaker 3: You did for perspective, you did one hundred and thirty
Speaker 3: nine episodes of Melrose Place in five years, in five
Speaker 3: over five seasons of General Hospital.
Speaker 8: You did six.
Speaker 3: Hundred and fifty four episodes just for perspective, you know.
Speaker 5: Somebody else said said a couple of years back that
Speaker 5: I've done over fifteen hundred to two thousand hours of television.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 3: Well, because then on The Gold and the Beautiful you
Speaker 3: did thirteen hundred and thirty four.
Speaker 6: Business, it's true. That's nice.
Speaker 3: So you're shooting multiple episodes in a day to get
Speaker 3: to that number, and we think, wow, we had this
Speaker 3: long running series.
Speaker 7: You had like five of them, Jack, that's amazing.
Speaker 8: Three long running shows.
Speaker 3: When Calls the Heart for thirteen seasons going on thirteen
Speaker 3: and Melrose, it's just like a drop in the bucket.
Speaker 7: For you and.
Speaker 2: A pro am golf career, Like, what's going on? Where
Speaker 2: do you get it from?
Speaker 5: So I'm trying if you'll just it's just like, I
Speaker 5: don't know. I guess I was working with a guy,
Speaker 5: Daniel Listening was the original mounting on one Calls the Heart, okay,
Speaker 5: and he's Australian, so he always kind of struggled with
Speaker 5: the accent, and especially if I brought some props in,
Speaker 5: you know, he couldn't incorporate props. And he said, you know, my,
Speaker 5: this guy's done over twenty five hundred.
Speaker 6: Episodes of television.
Speaker 5: I can't and I'm like and I was like, just
Speaker 5: laughed it off and I'm going and so these statistics
Speaker 5: are a little mind blowing to.
Speaker 6: Me, I guess.
Speaker 5: And it's it's an adjustment from a daytime show, which
Speaker 5: most people, I don't know if they know, is three
Speaker 5: to four to five cameras and a nighttime show which
Speaker 5: is one camera. So that was the big adjustment for
Speaker 5: melrose Place to me getting used to that different shooting schedule,
Speaker 5: you know, turning it, turning a scene around and turning
Speaker 5: around and shooting film nighttime TV.
Speaker 6: So it was a great educator.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we edit as we go, so it was
Speaker 5: like live scene work.
Speaker 6: So it was a great educator for me.
Speaker 5: You know, it was a growing, growing ground for me
Speaker 5: to you know, do nighttime television.
Speaker 3: And but the whole your whole acting career came after
Speaker 3: a music career.
Speaker 8: Like that, right am?
Speaker 3: I correct, Like that was sort of your first you
Speaker 3: were pursuing music.
Speaker 6: No, it's the opposite, was an actor.
Speaker 8: Tell us all about that?
Speaker 5: Well, I, you know, I'm from Missouri and I started
Speaker 5: playing the guitar with some buddies and you know, partying
Speaker 5: a bit and learning Neil Young and Seals and Crofts
Speaker 5: and Elton John and all those things. And uh, I
Speaker 5: started doing theater in high school. So I wound up.
Speaker 5: You know, I was an athlete as well. So it
Speaker 5: turns out, long story short, I go down to University
Speaker 5: of Arizona to try out for the golf team and
Speaker 5: I had never played structural golf team and there were
Speaker 5: sixty guys and I made the golf team. I finished second,
Speaker 5: and they didn't give me a scholarship. So I had
Speaker 5: done community college and a drama school in Missouri, by
Speaker 5: my hometown. So I go over to the on the
Speaker 5: golf team, but not a scholarship. So I go over
Speaker 5: to the head of the department at the University of Earth.
Speaker 5: I meet him and I tell him my story. He says, well,
Speaker 5: prepare a song, dance in a monologue. Okay, So I do,
Speaker 5: and I get a full ride in drama to the
Speaker 5: University of Arizona. So I launch into My first thing
Speaker 5: is I'm on the costume department of the Barretts of
Speaker 5: Wimple Street. This English classic, right, So I start in
Speaker 5: the costume department and I wound up starting getting the
Speaker 5: leads in the plays. And that's really where I went
Speaker 5: from golf to acting.
Speaker 4: And so on the golf course.
Speaker 5: He's on the golf So you know, the summer of graduation,
Speaker 5: one of the one of the actors was a tour
Speaker 5: guy at Universal Studios and said, you know, here's how
Speaker 5: you get. So I went and applied at spring break
Speaker 5: and I graduated and went immediately to La lived in
Speaker 5: my car and was a tour guy. Just went to
Speaker 5: became a tour guide at Universal.
Speaker 2: Okay, it wasn't Jim Ward by the by chance was it?
Speaker 7: Okay?
Speaker 2: I lived with a we had a roommate of we
Speaker 2: had a house full of five roommates.
Speaker 7: I start when I was at U C l A and.
Speaker 2: Jim Ward, who was the voice of what was that
Speaker 2: show with the night the car that spoke with night
Speaker 2: writer and he did the tour to make you know
Speaker 2: the rent.
Speaker 7: So I was just wondering. But a lot of people,
Speaker 7: I think very few of tour.
Speaker 5: Got a great job because you're performing on the tram.
Speaker 5: I would do voices and characters and so that's that
Speaker 5: was my first real job in town. And I got
Speaker 5: a roommate, so I wound up having a normal life. Anyway,
Speaker 5: the first audition I went on, I got this agent
Speaker 5: through somebody, and I got the part. It was called
Speaker 5: A New Day and Eden on on TV, the first
Speaker 5: cable network, and it shot on Gower Lot and it
Speaker 5: had actually partial nudity and it was a soap opera okay,
Speaker 5: not for men, but it was just risk a and
Speaker 5: it shot in the studio next to General Hospital. So
Speaker 5: here's like Rick Springfield and John Stamos and Tony Gary
Speaker 5: all trying to come over to our studio to like
Speaker 5: look in the thing. It got canceled, okay, but that
Speaker 5: was my first job, my first audition, and I got
Speaker 5: an agent and from that I got a different agent,
Speaker 5: and so literally there was a man hunt about a
Speaker 5: year later for the character Frisco Jones. So I go
Speaker 5: in this audition and it's my fifth screen test. This
Speaker 5: is getting back to music. I'm sorry, it's a long story,
Speaker 5: but I guess that's why I'm.
Speaker 6: Here, right.
Speaker 5: So they call ABC calls and said do you buy
Speaker 5: chance play the guitars sing? And I said, well yeah,
Speaker 5: so I bring my guitar in. I do this Kenny
Speaker 5: Loggins tune this.
Speaker 6: Wait a little while to welcome what your have to.
Speaker 5: So I'm just knocking this tune out I put my
Speaker 5: guitar down, I do the scene work, I get the part.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 5: Now, I'm working at a clothing store in Sunset, and
Speaker 5: I got the call while I'm working there. And it
Speaker 5: turns out I wound up having them buy the wardrobe
Speaker 5: from this store, and they wound up branching out and
Speaker 5: having quite a few stories. But that's where I was
Speaker 5: when I got the call. So I have to go
Speaker 5: in the recording studio and record some songs, which I've
Speaker 5: never done. I've done musical theater, et cetera. And I
Speaker 5: have to sing on John Stamos's band, Blackie in the
Speaker 5: Riff Raff.
Speaker 6: Okay, so I haven't even started work yet.
Speaker 5: So the woman who was just in charge of ABC
Speaker 5: Daytime Music was from Mercury Records, and she was at
Speaker 5: the recording session.
Speaker 6: She introduced herself.
Speaker 5: So I knocked these songs out, sing them, and she goes,
Speaker 5: would you have yema men?
Speaker 6: And I said yeah. She goes, would you be interested
Speaker 6: in a record deal?
Speaker 7: Oh my, oh my god, this.
Speaker 4: Is eight nineteen weeks all this stuff happened.
Speaker 6: Oh oh yeah, within a week.
Speaker 8: The park you were no longer living in your car.
Speaker 5: And she says, would you be interested in a record deal,
Speaker 5: And I'm like.
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, why not?
Speaker 5: And so two nights later I had dinner with Quincy
Speaker 5: Jones and Herbie Hancock, and I signed with Quincy and
Speaker 5: Quest Records his label, and he assigned Glenn Ballard and
Speaker 5: Cliff Magnus to the Jack Wagner project.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: And there I am meeting James Ingram and Patty Austin
Speaker 5: and you know, Quincy's people on Quincy's label, and my
Speaker 5: first record was All I Need that they wrote now
Speaker 5: they wrote it for you, they wrote it for me, No,
Speaker 5: Glenn Ballard and Cliff Magnus and David Pack and so
Speaker 5: all of a sudden it was on the show, you know,
Speaker 5: it was on they released it to and I started
Speaker 5: to do it on the show, and they released it
Speaker 5: to radio stations, and they called and they said the
Speaker 5: head of the label, not Quincy Colton.
Speaker 6: Said the record's dead. And I'm like, are you talking
Speaker 6: like I am so?
Speaker 5: And by the way, I'm very ambitious anyway, in terms
Speaker 5: of where I was in my life at the time.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm doing theater, I'm doing all kinds of
Speaker 5: little small stages. I'm studying at cell Adler I got
Speaker 5: this part on General Hospital and I'm like dead, and
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, radio station in Oxnard, Why one
Speaker 5: hundred played it, and then it's Cis Tutation in Miami
Speaker 5: Plate and it starts to snowball around the country and
Speaker 5: teenage girls started requesting all I.
Speaker 6: Need because I was seeing it on.
Speaker 5: And in three or four weeks, it was a number
Speaker 5: one record behind yeah, behind Like a Virgin. It was
Speaker 5: the number number two on the pop charts for three weeks,
Speaker 5: behind Like a Virgin Madonna's song, and it was number
Speaker 5: one on the AC charts.
Speaker 6: And that's how it happened.
Speaker 7: Wow, amazing. So they want to kill it before it even.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's kind of what the radio business was like,
Speaker 5: the record business if it didn't hit right away. And
Speaker 5: then it was the fans of General Hospital that really
Speaker 5: were calling.
Speaker 1: And it must have brought more young viewers to General Hospital,
Speaker 1: Oh huge.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because Rick Spinfield just had Jesse's girl, he had
Speaker 5: left the show. Luke and Laura had just happened, so
Speaker 5: and Johnny Staymos was leaving the show. So I was
Speaker 5: kind of taking over, you know, for these these storylines
Speaker 5: and these iconic you know, characters and actors that were leaving.
Speaker 5: So you know, that's where I moved into General Hospital.
Speaker 7: And you did it for five years the first time,
Speaker 7: right or something, and then I.
Speaker 5: Did it for about four years, three or four years
Speaker 5: till eighty seven. I did a national tour of West
Speaker 5: Side Story. Oh the eighty eight I did a national
Speaker 5: tour of Greece playing Danny Zuko. So I went back
Speaker 5: to my theater roots. Yeah, back to gh for eighty
Speaker 5: nine to ninety and then kind of uh, yeah.
Speaker 1: It was a different time for soaps that people now
Speaker 1: probably don't know. But General Hospital was so hot, and
Speaker 1: it was like it jumped from soap opera magazines to
Speaker 1: regular magazines. Everybody was watching, and you had these music
Speaker 1: stars watching. As a teenage go at the time, I
Speaker 1: listened to that maybe a thousand times.
Speaker 4: Hear you're talking about I'm like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 4: seventeen again.
Speaker 7: I was listening right on the way. I gotta hear
Speaker 7: his song.
Speaker 4: Do you remember?
Speaker 6: That's awesome?
Speaker 8: Are you doing any music now? Are you? Are you
Speaker 8: do you song? Do you write songs?
Speaker 7: Do you play?
Speaker 8: You just played?
Speaker 6: No? Not right now.
Speaker 5: I was so plugged into music when I was doing
Speaker 5: the franchise of movies with Josie Bassett Channel.
Speaker 7: Were you doing music for the show for the series.
Speaker 6: For the movies, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 5: Basically I rewrote my story as uh, I just told
Speaker 5: you as a you know, a guy who did music
Speaker 5: in college and this was his college sweetheart and I
Speaker 5: wrote songs together, et cetera. In any way that relationship ended,
Speaker 5: but he had a musical career and hit records and
Speaker 5: here he is owning a wedding lodge and so she
Speaker 5: comes up to do her wedding there they see each
Speaker 5: other and had to drop the platter moment, and so
Speaker 5: that's what created franchise. So I wrote and played a
Speaker 5: lot of music.
Speaker 4: Did you bring the story to them?
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean it was kind of the executive producer
Speaker 5: of When Calls the Heart said listen, if you sell this,
Speaker 5: I'll make you executive producer, you know, and blah blah blah,
Speaker 5: And so I kind of rewrote it and readjusted it
Speaker 5: and sold it. Like we're talking to the heads of
Speaker 5: Hallmark who were in Vancouver for a dinner, and I
Speaker 5: walked in and said, that story exactly to this, the music,
Speaker 5: they love each other. This he goes off on tour.
Speaker 6: They split.
Speaker 5: Twenty five years later, they see each other drop the
Speaker 5: platter moment and they went, you're in development, so.
Speaker 1: You're clearly great at story and dialogue.
Speaker 4: Do you write?
Speaker 5: Not really, No, it's more about just I would say
Speaker 5: my forte is actually having seen work and then being
Speaker 5: able to feel and know if something needs to be
Speaker 5: adjusted or funnier, and and what we talked about earlier
Speaker 5: about changing things, et cetera. I really learned to incorporate writer,
Speaker 5: you know, like, can you help me? That's my first word,
Speaker 5: that's the first thing out of my mouth. Can you
Speaker 5: help me with this? Because I want to understand you
Speaker 5: know what you want here because I'm not clear, And
Speaker 5: then I'll completely moving into wanting to get.
Speaker 6: It my way right.
Speaker 5: That's good, Okay, lessons out there for people.
Speaker 7: It works better than what the hell are you trying
Speaker 7: to say?
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe take some notes by the way, to take
Speaker 3: note we ever wants to take notes of Jack.
Speaker 5: And on another note, in selling that movie idea. I
Speaker 5: don't know about you, guys, but I just have found
Speaker 5: that this business is really about relationships. I mean, sometimes
Speaker 5: you you can do audition cold auditions and get parts.
Speaker 5: But once you maybe establish yourself or have a career,
Speaker 5: it's really about how you pitch an idea and yourself
Speaker 5: and how.
Speaker 6: You humanize it.
Speaker 5: That's what I found, because when you humanize something and
Speaker 5: kind of tell the story truthfully, I think it resonates.
Speaker 1: It doesn't also, Matt for the young actors out there,
Speaker 1: it also matters how you act on the set, like
Speaker 1: people know you, they go Jack is great, He's collaborative,
Speaker 1: he's funny, he brings joy to the sets.
Speaker 7: Here early in wardrobe and knows his line cards.
Speaker 1: You know what you're doing. You were so much fun
Speaker 1: to have on set.
Speaker 7: Why you know we're talking like we're lying. You don't
Speaker 7: know the real you we're talking about.
Speaker 1: And I said this to you and our lovely the
Speaker 1: Melrose minute. But you used to because Heather was such
Speaker 1: a huge star, and you used.
Speaker 4: To say Helen is Helen here?
Speaker 1: You always pretend you didn't know her name, which killed
Speaker 1: me every single time. And then do you remember when
Speaker 1: they brought you like you asked for a touch up
Speaker 1: or a mirror before a scene and Loana Jeffers brought
Speaker 1: out a full length mirror.
Speaker 4: It was decorated. You remember that, like they were teasing.
Speaker 1: You've actually but you'reone generally teases, but you can take teasing,
Speaker 1: which is so important, right, Like you just love to laugh,
Speaker 1: Like let's keep the banter going both ways.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so much fun to.
Speaker 1: Have in a fourteen hour day. Somebody who's determined to
Speaker 1: have fun.
Speaker 5: Well, thanks, I mean I I always tried to have
Speaker 5: a pocket mirror.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to be a bit self deprecating, right,
Speaker 5: you know. I think I heard Grant Shows say once
Speaker 5: in an interview. He says, Yep, when you're working with Jack,
Speaker 5: you just got to remember it's about the hair.
Speaker 6: Don't mess with is it.
Speaker 7: You know, your hair and opening scene.
Speaker 4: In your opening scene, it was slipped back.
Speaker 1: It was like hair enough for three men, which is
Speaker 1: very unfair, and it slipped back in this really dashing way.
Speaker 4: Was it dashing?
Speaker 7: Well, it's so Jack, like no one could read, you know.
Speaker 7: Then they cut to Thomas and you're.
Speaker 2: Like, oh boy, hair an effort.
Speaker 6: Look at me.
Speaker 5: I'm still keeping the floppy top going double process.
Speaker 6: I'm keeping it.
Speaker 2: It was amazing in the suit and you just had
Speaker 2: these lines like I'm the boss here, you know, I
Speaker 2: moved in, I'm chief of staff.
Speaker 7: I'll be making changes. And I loved it. You know why,
Speaker 7: because we've been watching since episode.
Speaker 8: One see for the podcast, you had to start getting.
Speaker 6: What's like you guys, it's weird.
Speaker 2: Well, it's very weird in many reasons. We're cringey on
Speaker 2: our own, like what was I thinking? But but for me,
Speaker 2: Thomas makes me so, I'm sorry, Michael Mancini.
Speaker 7: We find that we blend doing this.
Speaker 2: Courtney especially really is irritated with the whole Amanda Billy
Speaker 2: thing at this point thirty years.
Speaker 1: You know, like Heather keeps kissing Andrew like it's Amanda kissing.
Speaker 6: Interest was great, so we were.
Speaker 4: Also Andrew and I were dating in real life. So
Speaker 4: I'm having this thing.
Speaker 1: I'm defending Allison, also defending like, get your hands off
Speaker 1: my man, also off Alison's man.
Speaker 6: It's a lot.
Speaker 7: You didn't start a lot.
Speaker 2: You didn't start dating Heather till years after you went
Speaker 2: even though you were like this on characters, really.
Speaker 6: Really close, really funny friends. Yeah, but what took you
Speaker 6: so long? Dude? You're married?
Speaker 7: That's sorry.
Speaker 5: We say that supp for Melrose know that you were
Speaker 5: dating him.
Speaker 6: Oh that's so funny. And then you wound up with Doug.
Speaker 3: Well, I married Doug, but I had dated Grant, like
Speaker 3: Grant going on, Yeah, yeah, stated Grant.
Speaker 6: Did you date Grant?
Speaker 4: I did not know.
Speaker 8: I think just I did. Yeah, we did for a
Speaker 8: while and then you know, Doug and I've been married.
Speaker 1: For twenty seven amazing, I know. And you met their
Speaker 1: son Jack outside. Isn't that the sweet? I think they
Speaker 1: named him after you.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's uncomfortable for you, now do
Speaker 4: for me, thank you.
Speaker 8: They'll call you uncle Joe.
Speaker 6: Doug high and was like, Doug.
Speaker 7: I will, I will.
Speaker 8: And he reminded me of something.
Speaker 3: I think you you sang at a rap party or
Speaker 3: a Christmas party?
Speaker 8: Did you sing jailhouse rock? And you performed at one
Speaker 8: of our parties? Do you guys remember that?
Speaker 7: Do you remember that?
Speaker 8: Do you remember it was season three or you don't
Speaker 8: remember it?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: Maybe it was by hotel or something like that. I
Speaker 5: think it was hard, just kind of whip out a
Speaker 5: little elviss.
Speaker 6: Every now and then.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: That's so fun though, Like maybe it was just a
Speaker 3: spontaneous moment, like there was a stage, there was a mic,
Speaker 3: and you can handle it and you.
Speaker 8: Just did it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a rock star, okay with that, Yeah, that
Speaker 2: sounds it.
Speaker 4: You have more experience at the time than we did.
Speaker 1: But one of the things to talk about a lot
Speaker 1: is that we wish you could have appreciated it more
Speaker 1: in the moment, like we were. It was so overwhelming.
Speaker 1: There was press on weekends, you remember, there was so much.
Speaker 1: It was so intense that I wish I could have realized, oh, like,
Speaker 1: this is incredible. I just thought, well, I guess this
Speaker 1: is my life now. I didn't really get it then.
Speaker 1: I wish i'd appreciate it more, did you? Because you've
Speaker 1: been working so long, could you really appreciate how special
Speaker 1: it was?
Speaker 5: I think that's really normal, Courtney, to think now you
Speaker 5: didn't appreciate it then, And I don't know if I
Speaker 5: agree with that. I just think, you know, you're young.
Speaker 5: We're all we were younger, right, We were entrenched in
Speaker 5: the show, in our lives and in the populace already.
Speaker 5: It was high demand, especially for you guys. I mean,
Speaker 5: you guys were doing Rolling Stone, you were doing you know,
Speaker 5: you guys were really really in demand, and everybody was
Speaker 5: doing movies of the week on our off time. So
Speaker 5: I don't know, if it's so much that we didn't
Speaker 5: appreciate it, and I won't speak for you, but that
Speaker 5: I didn't appreciate it. I just think there was an
Speaker 5: ambition and a sort of that was our life, right,
Speaker 5: This was how we lived. This was the peace of life,
Speaker 5: and we had to be ambitious and busy and on
Speaker 5: top of it.
Speaker 6: And I think we were all on top of it.
Speaker 5: And to say we didn't appreciate it, or I didn't
Speaker 5: appreciate it, or maybe you didn't appreciate it.
Speaker 6: I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 5: I just think at our ages, this is just who
Speaker 5: we were, right, And maybe we were just weren't just
Speaker 5: as evolved as we are now in terms of self
Speaker 5: awareness and maturity and appreciation and compassion. I think that
Speaker 5: comes with age. Ye.
Speaker 2: One thing that I had was when I finally was
Speaker 2: living my dream because I always wanted to act, the
Speaker 2: only thing I've ever wanted to do. And I remember, like,
Speaker 2: you know, you have the nice car and you're driving
Speaker 2: to work and you're you know, and I remember.
Speaker 7: These thoughts are going.
Speaker 2: It's very different longing for the dream and being in
Speaker 2: the dream. You're working twelve hours and like you said,
Speaker 2: things are coming at you and you still have insecurity
Speaker 2: and you're still there's still stuff going on.
Speaker 7: It's very different being in it.
Speaker 2: It is, you know, so it's it's I think it's
Speaker 2: in hindsight that you really get to go, oh, I
Speaker 2: appreciate both, you know, But in the moment, it was
Speaker 2: you're still like going.
Speaker 7: When's it get you know, And I.
Speaker 2: Was like, oh, the red carpets, even the red carpets,
Speaker 2: everyone going, well, you're on red carpet.
Speaker 7: But it was like so stressful, stressful.
Speaker 8: I think it's going to be versus what it yeah, feels.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, that's a good point too about the hours.
Speaker 1: Because you're there so much, you kind of can't get perspective.
Speaker 1: Like I remember I had to have an assistant because
Speaker 1: if a pipe burst in my house, I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: You're gone from five thirty am to eight pm. You
Speaker 1: can't do your real life.
Speaker 4: So maybe that's right.
Speaker 1: You don't have the perspective because you don't have another life.
Speaker 1: And then on weekends we had photo shoots, and then
Speaker 1: of course in the beginning I was dating Andrews.
Speaker 7: It was really all.
Speaker 4: All the time.
Speaker 1: So that's a good point because it's so overwhelming. That
Speaker 1: experience was so overwhelming that maybe you can't see it
Speaker 1: from the outside.
Speaker 6: I think it's perspectively. I think you make a great point.
Speaker 2: We're the way that we can look back at your career.
Speaker 2: It just seems like you've done and then you've filled
Speaker 2: it in with even more highlights and working and your creativity.
Speaker 7: But when you were.
Speaker 2: Actually doing it, were there times that you were, you know,
Speaker 2: afraid the phone wouldn't ring, or were there big breaks
Speaker 2: that were stressful for you?
Speaker 5: Or has it always been anytime there's a two ninety two,
Speaker 5: I was out of work, two thousand and two, I
Speaker 5: was out of work. Twenty twelve, I was out of work.
Speaker 6: That's how I look at it, right.
Speaker 4: The three whole years you've been out of the.
Speaker 5: Devastating I can't imagine, and reflecting back on that, but
Speaker 5: like if I'm reflecting back myself, when I've looked back,
Speaker 5: it's like, Wow.
Speaker 6: What's with these twos?
Speaker 5: Because I've bet gratefully, you know, kind of been working
Speaker 5: primarily on these shows you've you mentioned earlier, right, and
Speaker 5: I've but you know, I've never and it's okay, I've
Speaker 5: never like I have never auditioned for a pilot. I've
Speaker 5: never had a pilot, And I know all you guys
Speaker 5: have had pilots and pilots, and it's like, I gratefully
Speaker 5: have always been they've been ensemble casts, but I've always been,
Speaker 5: you know, working, and I've never done a pilot, right.
Speaker 6: How many pilots have you guys gone? Like a bunch? Right?
Speaker 5: And so yeah, but so I I but years two
Speaker 5: is anything with the two in it?
Speaker 7: Okay? Interesting?
Speaker 6: Usually been not twenty twenty two, I was on.
Speaker 1: So then are you cast into existing shows? For the
Speaker 1: most part, they're already going and then they bring you in? Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course missing Jack Wagner and then.
Speaker 5: I guess so they just sort of moved me in
Speaker 5: there and that that's been the pattern.
Speaker 2: And I know that golf through all this has been
Speaker 2: still a love of yours. I remember talking to you
Speaker 2: about Pebble Beach and where to goes. I was going
Speaker 2: up to a golf course with a boyfriend and I
Speaker 2: was like, where do we go?
Speaker 7: And your I think your name's on that wall at
Speaker 7: Pebble Beach. Probably it is.
Speaker 6: So I'm just wondering very hard to get that.
Speaker 7: What is it like it's like your mistress to this career.
Speaker 5: I you know, I quit playing golf. And the producer
Speaker 5: of General Hospital remember the movie Tutsie, So that's based
Speaker 5: on Gloria Monty, who was you know, changed General Hospital
Speaker 5: from going off the air in seventy nine to getting
Speaker 5: Luke and Laura and turned that around to the number
Speaker 5: one show.
Speaker 6: And she cast me.
Speaker 5: And before that screen test I told you about earlier,
Speaker 5: she brought me into a room and improv with me
Speaker 5: for about fifteen minutes.
Speaker 6: So she's old.
Speaker 5: School group theater, right, That's where she comes from. So
Speaker 5: gratefully I was ready for that, you know, because I
Speaker 5: had studied improv et cetera. And I get cast and.
Speaker 6: She's like, oh, I hear you play golf.
Speaker 5: And I'm like that's how she kind of talked very
Speaker 5: you know, she's very theatrical.
Speaker 6: And I said, yeah, Glory, I do I you know.
Speaker 5: This is I'm going to have Bobby to take you
Speaker 5: out to bell I think you should play Bellout country Club.
Speaker 5: And so I go with her husband and he brings
Speaker 5: a couple of guys along and run's this gambling kind
Speaker 5: of like kind of character and I hit it off
Speaker 5: with him great, and I wind up joining Bellair country Club. Okay,
Speaker 5: And so that's when my golf started. And James Garner
Speaker 5: was you know, I've got to know Jimmy really well
Speaker 5: and a lot of you know, I mean, I played golf,
Speaker 5: tons of golf with like Sean Connery and Nicholson and guys. Right,
Speaker 5: so I know so many iconic guys through golf. I
Speaker 5: don't even think they know I act or ever did,
Speaker 5: but I was. You know, I was club championship at
Speaker 5: bell Air for seven times. And so anyway, James Garner says,
Speaker 5: you should take my partner and play Pebble Beach. So
Speaker 5: I went up at John Cook and played in the
Speaker 5: at and t Pebble Beach a couple of years and
Speaker 5: I won it in nineteen ninety one. Yeah, and so
Speaker 5: I had long hair and a ear ring, and you
Speaker 5: know it was not looking like a golfer, but it
Speaker 5: was just when I was returning to dot.
Speaker 7: You have your own charity golf.
Speaker 6: I did it.
Speaker 5: Was the ambassador of the Lukema Inphoma Society for years
Speaker 5: and event for lukemia lymphoma.
Speaker 7: Did Grant participate in that?
Speaker 6: I think Grant might have a couple of times.
Speaker 5: You know, guys like Peshi and Jerry West and Tim
Speaker 5: Allen and guys I know through golf showed up, and
Speaker 5: you know, I had my own tournament for that was
Speaker 5: my platform. You know, there's a community in Los Angeles,
Speaker 5: a golf community that's sort of just unspoken, like I
Speaker 5: plan Anthony Anderson's and George Lopez's and you know, SAG tournament.
Speaker 5: You know, you know, it's just kind of like our
Speaker 5: little bubble, you know, Laura at the doctor's office. That's
Speaker 5: kind of the golf community, the celebrity golf community in
Speaker 5: Los Angeles, athletes.
Speaker 7: Or whatever kind of Are you still doing that?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I plan all those events.
Speaker 2: Did you have to do anything with your back or
Speaker 2: I know that people have probably.
Speaker 6: My body is killing me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the body parts a little bit, you know in
Speaker 2: the course.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I still walk, but I condition like every day.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm in the gym and I've started cold
Speaker 5: plunging and I do a ton of cardios. So I
Speaker 5: really pay attention to my body and they're still right.
Speaker 5: As a leading man ladies on, so I got to
Speaker 5: keep it up.
Speaker 2: Listen on that leading man judge on, Yeah, a leading
Speaker 2: man judge, aren't you a judge?
Speaker 7: On that Judge now and it's coming back. It just
Speaker 7: got picked up.
Speaker 5: We heard all the hardies out there, so please listen
Speaker 5: to Still the Place, Still the Place, because I'll encourage
Speaker 5: the hearties to tune in.
Speaker 4: Please do I still want to be a party? I
Speaker 4: told you that I think you are.
Speaker 8: I think which is?
Speaker 7: I think you are?
Speaker 1: I want thee I think you were doting teenager showing
Speaker 1: on the they were showing people getting the gift bags ready,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I want to be in that.
Speaker 1: I want to be in the pre production that. Yes,
Speaker 1: they want to organize it.
Speaker 6: You know what I did this.
Speaker 4: Year the gift bags.
Speaker 6: They brought Melissa Gilbert on.
Speaker 5: Gilbert brought off my characters to have a backstory with
Speaker 5: the Mounties how we trained. So she did a couple
Speaker 5: episodes and she's coming back next year.
Speaker 6: I so it was really really great.
Speaker 2: Her Instagram isn't she like living in upstate New York
Speaker 2: and you know, and she's now.
Speaker 5: A Hearty and she's doing some theater. But she was
Speaker 5: terrific and we hit it off and uh, yeah, she's
Speaker 5: going to come back to the show.
Speaker 7: So did you ever think of going to New York
Speaker 7: as an actor? Because you were so immersed in your
Speaker 7: studies doing it in New York.
Speaker 6: I appreciate you asking that. Yeah I did.
Speaker 5: I was committed to that, and the head of the
Speaker 5: drama department who gave me the scholarship said, go to
Speaker 5: l a.
Speaker 6: Smart long in LA.
Speaker 5: Sure that's a TV fan. But you know what I
Speaker 5: did right after Melrose is so I went right to
Speaker 5: Broadway and played Jacqueline Hide.
Speaker 6: So I was on Broadway my dream, you know.
Speaker 5: So you know, I had a few shows to choose
Speaker 5: from because of the Melrose heat, and so I chose
Speaker 5: Jacqueline Hyde. But no, I really faced that, Daphne, thanks
Speaker 5: for asking that.
Speaker 6: I went to LA.
Speaker 7: Well, you know what, jack because your your longevity is
Speaker 7: really astounding.
Speaker 2: I mean I knew that before, but I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: Jackie's always been around, and we did a couple of
Speaker 2: TV movies after Melrose, and but when I was really
Speaker 2: looking into it, you know, it takes to have that
Speaker 2: kind of longevity, Like it doesn't surprise me. Your theater
Speaker 2: background and all the studies that you continue insteadle out
Speaker 2: Adler and you did that at Arizona and you went
Speaker 2: to New York and.
Speaker 7: You're doing stuff in between the national tour.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think people know that, Like they
Speaker 2: kind of get used to labeling us, like you're either
Speaker 2: a theater actor or a TV actor or a movie star,
Speaker 2: and it's like sometimes you're just this actor that that study,
Speaker 2: and you don't know how it's going to go right,
Speaker 2: you don't know where the path is.
Speaker 6: Going to teach correct correct.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But as I said before, going to the Nighttime
Speaker 5: with Melrose, it was a whole new training ground for
Speaker 5: me for film because I just sort of knew the
Speaker 5: stage and those four cameras on a soap stage, right,
Speaker 5: So that was huge.
Speaker 6: But I want to tell you a quick story.
Speaker 5: I love all of the Like we've talked about music
Speaker 5: and records and you know, being a teen idol in
Speaker 5: the eighties, et cetera. Dudes, dudes recognized me from golf
Speaker 5: and one thing I did, okay, that was a guest star.
Speaker 5: I went an audition for Ray Donovan about seven eight
Speaker 5: years ago, okay, And so you know, an audition sometimes
Speaker 5: they recognize you or they don't know who you are
Speaker 5: at all, right, And I faced that my whole career,
Speaker 5: and so I go on audition for Ray Donovan. It's
Speaker 5: just me and the casting director, and they called and said,
Speaker 5: does he really just wanted to do like does he.
Speaker 6: Want this whole arc? Maybe? So they knew me.
Speaker 5: I was excited, right, and I'm like, going, no, I
Speaker 5: just kind of I love this show whatever. So I
Speaker 5: came on as a pat say Jack okay, and like
Speaker 5: the Vana White was played by Cheryl Cheryl.
Speaker 6: Okay, she was my Vana White.
Speaker 5: And so it turns out that I have this thing
Speaker 5: and the producer on the show was Tom Cruise ex
Speaker 5: wife White with the what's her name Katie Holmes, So
Speaker 5: it's Katie Holmes me and leave shreiver in these scenes.
Speaker 5: So I tucked my my my clayex in. I'm at
Speaker 5: the makeup thing, right, and she comes up and leaves there,
Speaker 5: and she producer says, and he says something, I said,
Speaker 5: who's this guy?
Speaker 6: Right? I said who? She can't and and and Vana.
Speaker 5: White wants to come on, Cheryl wants to come on
Speaker 5: and take my spot, and we have this whole thing
Speaker 5: and he's supposed to punch me. And we're with the
Speaker 5: director who's who's working on House of Cards at the time.
Speaker 6: So I'm in and he goes, I can't punch him.
Speaker 5: If I punch Pat, say Jack, he's going to mean
Speaker 5: to bruise him and all that, and you can't punch
Speaker 5: a pat, say Jack, And I go, yeah, what are
Speaker 5: we gonna do? So we do this double bitch slap. Okay,
Speaker 5: So I'm like, what do you mean you get go sweat?
Speaker 6: And I'm like, who are you thinking? And I'm like.
Speaker 5: And so all kinds of men at bell are all
Speaker 5: these guys watch that. They all know me from that
Speaker 5: episode and nothing from the Hallmark Channel, nothing from anything else.
Speaker 6: So that's how dudes know me?
Speaker 7: Or was that?
Speaker 6: No, it wasn't written.
Speaker 5: No, kind of We kind of took a hit a
Speaker 5: punch and just kind of came up with it and
Speaker 5: it was really I love it.
Speaker 8: Her has something for everyone.
Speaker 6: One thing that men kind of came up.
Speaker 5: Dude, I sell you and Ray Donovan man got bitch slapped.
Speaker 4: Thanks Jackie's been such a joy to have you.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 3: For coming out, Thanks for interrupting your golf games.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this has been really nice to see you guys
Speaker 5: and catch up like this.
Speaker 6: It's direct.
Speaker 4: Thank you fun.
Speaker 6: Thanks for having memory.
Speaker 4: Pretty good, very good, you thought, he warned us. In
Speaker 4: the beginning. He said, I'm not going to remember anything.
Speaker 1: Well, then look at those stories.
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's something you didn't get a chance to tell.
Speaker 3: So we would love to have you back another time.
Speaker 6: Sometimes, yes, that'd be awesome. Thank you. You guys were
Speaker 6: terrific and so good to see you so good.
Speaker 8: Thanks for having me so much.