WEBVTT - All I Need...is Jack Wagner! 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:09.320 Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorn Smith. 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.400 And daphnews Aniga an iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:20.239 Hi, guys, we're so excited today Jack Wagner. 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:23.680 Excited Jack Wagner, So welcome. 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:26.319 To Still the Place. We're so excited to hear of you. 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:29.960 I think to see you guys. I don't know if 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:31.920 you had video of it, clearly you may not. But 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.880 just the greeting I got out front was like that. 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:39.800 That never happened at work. Girls. Okay, we're matured. 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:41.479 As we got older, we realized what we have. 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:44.040 Yeah, we realized thirty five years later. 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.840 You've been waiting thirty five years for that greeting. Yeah, yeah, 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.559 but it happened to be chat. 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:54.240 What was it back in the day and the makeup 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:57.520 don't talk to me? Yeah, yeah, it's right. 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:02.440 Hey, Laura, you want to talk to this. I don't 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:04.640 want to run yet. Run them out there. 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:08.760 You guys were really great and uh listen, it was 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:12.080 always I think we had a lot of uh the 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:15.400 attitude seemed to be really positive, even the makeup trailers, right, 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:16.600 I think people were beat. 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:18.319 Up, yeah, because we did a lot of work. 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.520 But I think overall it was kind of a fun group. 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:22.960 I always remember it that way. 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.679 I think that there was so much drama on the camera, 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:28.880 Like I would just read these and going like what 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.320 that I was spending time like preparing getting these mental 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:33.880 and emotional states that I was just relieved to see 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.480 like a normal person at the at the you know, 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:37.520 getting lunch or something. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:39.840 Hi, guys, Jack, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.280 Joy very upset was upset. 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:43.720 It's been the consensus too. 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:45.840 I mean we've had other guests in and we've talked 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:47.560 about it all the time, like we were just a 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.720 happy group of people, like we liked our jobs, we 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.960 liked pre each other, and that was just exceptional. And 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.880 the fact that thirty five years later we're so excited 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:58.720 to see everybody again, and. 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:00.760 I want to just to hear point daff and I 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:05.160 think that that was We all really treated the material 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:10.400 that way, really seriously, right, whatever emotional state, however crazy 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.040 it was, whatever it was, we were all real pros, 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.679 I thought, yeah, and did our best to make it 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:19.919 exciting and believable and sexy and funny or whatever it was. Yeah, yeah, 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.959 And I think that was consistent throughout the cast, don't 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:23.600 you well. 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:25.440 You know, I jumped ahead. We don't ahead. You came 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:27.440 in season three, episode six. 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:29.799 OK, not that you needed to know that, but we 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:35.359 figured that out, and you came on like the freaking 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:39.120 soap icon that you are. You just did so much 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.160 with your eyes and that hair, but I mean your 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.480 eyes were so you came in with this power. I'm 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:49.000 head of the hospital, your chief is chief of staff, 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.919 and you just like put whoever came in in their place. 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:56.119 Michael and h and Marcia for sure, but you were 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:58.480 just I was like, Wow, this guy has done this before. 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:00.960 It's so true and it's hard to own a set 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:02.040 because you're I mean, you were coming. 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:02.200 Now. 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:03.920 Did you know when you started that you were going 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:05.600 to be on for so long? Was it an ARC 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:07.440 or were you hired full time right away? 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.480 To my memory, I think I was hired full time 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:13.320 and I knew I'd be a part of the cast. 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:16.600 And my goal, to your point, was to make an impact, right. 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:20.360 I really wanted to be this alpha male, you know, 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:25.520 no matter what it was, so that mission accomplishment totally. 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:26.600 Did you audition? 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:28.040 Did you? 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:28.600 Well? 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:30.880 You know, last week we spoke and I thought about 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:33.560 it and I was doing a guest spot on a 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.880 Canadian TV show in Montreal, okay, And my agent called 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.240 and said, I'm sending you a script from melrose Place 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.520 and I was like soaped out. I'm like, no chance, 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.040 I'm not doing it. It feels like a soap. And 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:49.040 they said, well, it's a hot show and you'd be 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:50.440 working opposite Heather. 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.480 Locklare and so I'm like, okay, all right, well, all right, 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:53.880 all right. 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:58.120 So I took this script and flew across you know, 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:02.520 a long flight from Montreal and changed everything he wrote, 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.440 We did this that, and did you guys audition in 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:09.320 Aaron's officer and Spelling's office. Okay, So you know the office, right, 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:12.160 And for those who don't, it's this big, kind of white, 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:15.800 shag carpeted big office, right, and it has a seating 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:19.600 almost like bench like along the walls. Huge, huge, huge, right, 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.600 So it's almost sort of like a Broadway audition with 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.000 just cafeteria tables. You walk in and it's just a 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:29.480 line of people and executives, and you know, it's nerve wracking. 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:31.560 And I went. 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.960 In and read with the casting director and this did 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:39.080 this whole improvisational, completely offscript, you know, got right in 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:42.400 her grill, grabbed your face, you know, with her hair, 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:47.119 did everything right, just went for it and got the part. 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:48.080 Wow. Okay. 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:52.080 So my first day on set was this scene and 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:53.320 I started doing what I. 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:53.960 Did in the audition. 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:54.760 Oh my god. 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.280 Yeah, you're all laughing because you know what happened, right, 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.360 and I think that director. The director was like, uh, yeah, 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:07.560 cut Jack, you need to call Darren Starr. 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:08.880 He's waiting to talk to you. 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:13.160 And I'm like, oh, okay, hey Darren, Hey Jack, what's 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:13.520 going on? 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:14.080 I said, I don't know. 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:15.960 I'm just kind of doing that idea, just doing it 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.000 the way I did in the audition. He goes, yeah, 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:19.640 we do the lines that are written here. 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:20.440 Yeah, okay. 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:28.960 It was like, okay, well that was my first experience 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:29.760 with that. 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:31.520 We do the lines, we do the. 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:32.920 Lines is written. But that's how I got the. 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.480 Point because we were season three and they had had 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.920 so many people like winging in getting little maybe a 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.400 little lazy, I don't know. I had an experience because 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:42.599 we had fax machines back then where I had edited 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:44.200 a scene as a good little girl that I am, 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.520 and I faxed it to Derek to see ahead of 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.840 time because I wasn't gonna like, you know, and he 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:52.279 facts back Daphne. We don't make a habit good edits, 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:54.719 but don't make a habit of editing the things. 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:55.680 We don't do that here. 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.479 Yeah, okay, I was the new kid on the block. 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:00.440 Well that's that my train. 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.000 You did a lot with your eyes. I think you 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.080 put all that in your eyes and you're staring. 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:06.200 Yeah, we've been watching the episodes again. 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.240 I think it was such a good acting exercise, though, 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.200 because I can see myself struggling to make lines work, 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.880 like taking pauses in weird places to add the whatever 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:15.640 the weird end of. 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.159 The sentence was. You could see like it really was. 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:21.960 It really built that muscle, like we could make it work, anything. 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:23.719 Work because you had no choice. That's right, It wasn't 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:24.400 going to change. 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:24.800 It. 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:28.240 Really is an acting exercise. I don't think people understand that. 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.120 But when materials, we'll call it thin. 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.520 Right, if it's thin or over the top. 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.880 Or over the top, whatever it is, how are we 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:37.320 going to make this believable? 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.760 That's really the exercise. So I totally agree. 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:44.120 Now, Jack was a different because you'd come from other soaps. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.039 You were such a star on General Hospital, So was 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.480 this a different kind of soap? 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:50.520 Nighttime soap? 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:54.080 Or was it massive to go to nighttime television from 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:57.440 daytime because I was really pigeonholed, you know, from General 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:59.920 Hospital and having a number one record and never really 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.080 being taken seriously as a musical artist, et cetera. Right, 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.120 and I'm like a thespian, Okay, I'm like from drama 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:09.760 school and classic theater and Stella Adler and here my 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.440 first real big break was on a soap opera. 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:15.120 Okay, So this was. 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:18.440 Huge for me to score a nighttime series, whether it 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:20.160 be soap esque or whatever. 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:21.600 You know, it was a big jump. 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:23.880 And soon if we'll talk about the schedule being challenging, 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.160 but you were like, this is nothing compared to a 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.120 daytime soap, right, yeah. 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:32.200 Pay seriously, girls like I. When you're on a front 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:35.640 burner storyline on a soap opera, you can have fifty 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.720 sixty pages of dialogue. Sometimes you'd have to do two 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:42.320 episodes in one. And now they've condensed soap operas into 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.720 doing four to five episodes a day, you know, the 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.360 ones that have survived, right, But back then, you know, 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:52.520 it was really Uh, if you're on a front burner storyline, 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.720 you could have fifty sixty pages a dialogue, which I 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:56.800 had quite a few times. 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.920 I mean Maro's we shot about eight pages a day total. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:01.800 What's been people, So it. 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.200 Was piece of cake, yeah for you different, Yeah, but 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.640 it was still I prefer I like to move fast. 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:09.680 I like to I call it power running. I love 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.480 the run lines. I love to get the staging and 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.120 then run lines and listen to the actor's voice. And 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:17.200 you know, because we all have a bit of a 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:20.040 preconceived notion, right when you rehearse a scene at home 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:22.600 and you're going over it, But when you hear the 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.520 other actor's voice and their intonation and stage it, it 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:30.320 takes on a different it's a different scene completely sometimes. 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.319 So you know, that's always the best. 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.960 Challenge for me is to be now that I'm older, 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:40.440 more organic and available in rehearsal, especially in rehearsal because 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.480 even on the show I'm on now when calls the Heart, 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:46.040 I'm the only actor who's always in makeup, always in 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:47.520 wardrobe for rehearsal. 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:48.719 It's just how I like it. 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:51.920 I just like to always be ready and sort of 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:58.400 just to be available for what's going to happen. 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:02.679 You know, you're talking about how your Laura and Michael 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:04.040 stuff was like a separate show. 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.680 Like that office was like a separate comedy in there. 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.240 Right, And we had a little comedy when you doctor 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.960 said that different we could go there and you guys 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:13.679 just had a ball. 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.319 Yeah, they were doing other stuff, like stuff was blowing 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.440 up and set all the time, and we were like, 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:20.640 this is really funny. 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:22.760 We had our un comedy shop, didn't we. 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:27.720 Up with your little crazy little matching outfit taking messages 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:29.719 and like do you remember there was like some sort 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:31.880 I would put them on a pencil and I don't know, 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:33.360 it's just just prop fun. 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.920 We were like fun. Yeah, we were great at it, 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:39.679 were you well? I mean I was always. 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:41.800 Trying to pull an apple in here or there, like 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:43.200 what what's what's with the apple? 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.800 What's he doing? You know, we don't need an apple. 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.080 We don't need you might need an apple. 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:48.800 We should try that. 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:50.240 We actually might. 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.240 Yeah, so we I think we had a little comedy 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:53.960 company there, right. 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:55.040 It was fantastic. 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:56.120 Yeah. 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.079 I was there saying where's the apple? Where's the apple 0:09:58.160 --> 0:09:59.319 was in this? It was in your right it was 0:09:59.320 --> 0:09:59.959 in your left hand. 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:02.680 There is that? Okay? 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:04.880 Then it always fun when someone comes up with a 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:06.760 prop and then like but then we don't really know 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:08.400 how to use it. 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.000 It was so organic in the moment. 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.040 They're like, well, you better repeat it four more times 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:14.559 and make it seymore. 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:15.160 Make it a sh dick. 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:16.080 That's right. 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.400 Okay, So I have to add I haven't told this story, 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.640 but I think, asking you if you remember it, is 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:24.719 this is the perfect time to tell the story. There 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:26.320 was a time, and it was while we were shooting 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.760 all those scenes in that doctor's office, and it was 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.720 comedy and fun whatever. I decided it was time to 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.240 straighten my teeth, and so I got braces. 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:35.120 Do you remember this. 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:37.679 Talk about. 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:42.960 I got them on the inside of And then we 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:47.920 went to have a scene together and poor Jack could 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.160 not look me in the eye. Right now, I want 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.880 to hear this from your you tell the story. 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.080 I think I think I remember one take, just stopping 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.040 and going, can anybody understand her? 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.680 It sounds like you because I don't. I don't really 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:06.360 know what she said. Okay, so you know I had 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:07.320 to get you right away. 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:11.160 You were so great because you were you were like. 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:15.319 Really sympathetic to my plight, and like Jack, I can't talk, 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.000 hang on, she's stribbling out of her mind. 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.600 Laura could I clean you up just real quick, because. 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:23.000 Help me, help me. 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:30.920 You're like, just cover I was so badly and you're like, 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:32.559 what is wrong with you? 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:34.040 Yeah? 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:37.800 Fun day that your messages. 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:43.960 But I will never think of that time without thinking 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.000 of it through your eyes, because it was your face 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:47.880 that I was seeing the whole truth. 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:51.200 I was like, oh, this is mae. 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:54.720 I did have them taken off. 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:56.719 I think that night, like I came back to work 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:58.240 the next day and they had been ripped off. 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:03.280 It always one day if she yeah, of listening and 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.559 spittling all over the Jack. 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.840 Was Jack was the perfect scene partner to have for 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:09.200 that experience, giving. 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.840 Me ideas for oh my god, if we ever do 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:24.920 it again. I yeah. 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.520 Do you have a storyline that you remember, like as 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.439 being either really traumatic or really fun when that sticks 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:31.040 out in your mind? 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:32.440 Yes? 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.120 I think it was when Marcia was in the insane 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:41.240 asylum Kimberly, you know, and that was, uh, yeah, it was. 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:45.640 It was great because we really worked well together in 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.200 terms of the thespian part of it. She was so 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:52.040 committed to being insane, and therefore I was so committed 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.040 to and it was physical, you know, like throwing things 0:12:55.160 --> 0:13:01.280 and really in a chamber and I remember specifically that storyline. 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.960 I felt like it was a really strong acting exercise 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.240 because we wanted to make it believable, right. And I 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.520 can't remember exactly how the storyline went, but you know 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.160 he was there to help her, right, So there was 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:17.280 a compassionate part as well as her having to convince 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:18.080 she was crazy. 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.000 And you just don't get to do You. 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.120 Get thrown in the pool, you get slapped, you know 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.880 those things. But this was more of a state of 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:29.720 being and she was great. Yeah, I think Marcia was 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:34.559 really able to go someplace that she maybe hadn't. 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:36.920 Gone on the show. And so that remember that that 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:37.319 was for. 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:42.520 Me just really working with another actor on another level 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:44.559 than we usually had bed scenes or this or that. 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:48.679 This reminded me of, yes, that's really good day. 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:50.360 There were committed. 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.520 I saw that that's what it was and how to 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.800 make it believable, right, and it just was really yeah, 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.680 you commit, you commit, and we ran the lines a 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.120 lot and were able to tweak things. I'm going to 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.640 ask you guys this because you brought up who you've 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.040 had on the show, right, So if whoever it was 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.640 that was an executive producer that happened to write that 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:13.319 show and then direct it. I always found that if 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.360 I wanted something change, I would have to call. And 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.600 it's always tough with a phone call because they don't 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.080 really feel the performance because you. 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.040 Try to act it out or whatever. 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:25.720 But if they're on set and you have an idea 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.160 and you can show that, it was like, oh I 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.520 love that, Yeah, let's do that. So I've found anytime 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:34.720 that the executive whoever wrote it was also a producer 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:38.760 and directing, it was so much easier to collaborate totally. 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:41.400 You guys, did you totally? 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.080 Like so many of the producer and writers, they were 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.320 not on the set and it was a phone call, 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:50.840 and so he said, like for him like that, it 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.840 was easier for him to be on the set and 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.480 to be witnessing what was going on, and so he 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.080 felt a little bit more connected. 0:14:57.680 --> 0:14:59.960 To Lake just getting a phone call from an act 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.600 that didn't like this or something, because that's not really 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.760 what it was. It was about this isn't working right, 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.560 and I think this can work this it might be better. 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.320 Do you remember so much? Express if you can show them, 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:12.440 do you remember any. 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.240 Specific because everything everything, the. 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:16.840 Crazy part we're talking. 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.560 About or no, this was this was really you know, Daphney, 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:23.360 more just about just just normal structural scene work. I 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.960 think that something could be funnier, right Laura, you know Courtney, 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.680 or something could be a little bit sexier if we 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:32.440 did this or said it this way, or maybe didn't 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:35.920 use words right, really cut some of the dialogue and 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.720 just let the moment play. It could be much more 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:43.280 sexier sometimes and maybe a bit stronger. But that you 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.480 couldn't always translate over a phone call. 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.440 Well, no, the problem was before you were there. In 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.200 the very beginning, we were so far away. We're in 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:55.440 Santa Clarita, they were in Midwis. They were in mid Willshre. Yeah, 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.320 so that's about an hour drive away. So we would 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.360 change things in the beginning and the meaning by accident. 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.080 So that's what happened. We ruined it was our fault. Sorry, 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:07.200 so sorry, we the first one's ruined it for everybody else. 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:08.880 So that's what happened. 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.080 They just felt too far away and it's too bad, 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:12.560 Like it would have been great to have a producer 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.160 on set. We had Chip, but a writing producer on set. 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.360 Right, Yeah, yes, you're right, but they just couldn't. 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:19.320 I mean, I remember writing quest that I had. I 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.320 would ask Chip and then they he would make a 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.360 call and they'd come back and they'd say, yeah, that's cool. 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.680 But you know, to the writer's credit, writing has rhythm 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.160 to it and it has you know, meaning, and it's 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:31.040 nothing worse than like an actor coming and going I'm 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:32.640 going to make this better and they're not making it better, 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:33.560 I'm making it easier. 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.160 I'm not saying that what you did, mister Jack, but 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:36.560 I think. 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:37.240 You make a good point. 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.520 Yeah, their job is yeah, and we don't really can't. 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.960 That's why the call is about collaboration. Yes, like help 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:47.240 me understand and then that would be it. Sometimes I 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:51.240 would better understand where they're coming. So I've always been 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.400 a big fan of that type of open collaboration with 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.720 an executive producer or a writing team or a head writer. 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:00.960 Do you feel like it got more collabor or more 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.520 open to that conversation over time, Like the longer the 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:05.919 show went on, the more did they start to trust. Like, 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:08.600 the three of us were not there in season six 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:10.520 and seven, so we don't have a sense of like 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:12.160 how that felt. 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:12.720 But. 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.359 In your you were there from three to seven, and 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:18.600 so did you find that over time, it became a 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.560 little bit more like trusting. Like you mentioned that on 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:22.399 When Calls the Heart, there's just a level of trust 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:23.560 and you can have that collaboration. 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:24.439 Did that ever happen? 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:28.480 Yeah, No, it happened because I think they started to understand, 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.199 you know that I wasn't coming from a place of ego. 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:33.879 You know, I'm coming from a place of how to 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.919 raise the bar. And when they directed, like who were 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:40.200 our executives that directed? It was Chip and Chuck Pratt 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:41.400 and who else? 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:44.640 Frank never directed Frank South. 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:44.920 Yeah. 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:49.840 Yeah, So I think once that experience happened, they knew 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:52.679 that this was coming from a place of like collaboration, right, 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.880 So it was much easier as it went on because 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:58.520 you know, they wanted the show to go longer, and 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:00.960 I think they trusted me. It wasn't I wasn't coming 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.840 from a place of trying to be controlling. My ego 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.480 is coming from you know, this is a little clumsy, 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:08.240 it's not working. 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:10.639