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Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorn Smith.

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Speaker 2: And daphnews Aniga an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, we're so excited today Jack Wagner.

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Speaker 3: Excited Jack Wagner, So welcome.

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Speaker 4: To Still the Place. We're so excited to hear of you.

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Speaker 5: I think to see you guys. I don't know if

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Speaker 5: you had video of it, clearly you may not. But

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Speaker 5: just the greeting I got out front was like that.

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Speaker 6: That never happened at work. Girls. Okay, we're matured.

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Speaker 7: As we got older, we realized what we have.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we realized thirty five years later.

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Speaker 1: You've been waiting thirty five years for that greeting. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it happened to be chat.

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Speaker 2: What was it back in the day and the makeup

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Speaker 2: don't talk to me? Yeah, yeah, it's right.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Laura, you want to talk to this. I don't

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Speaker 6: want to run yet. Run them out there.

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Speaker 5: You guys were really great and uh listen, it was

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Speaker 5: always I think we had a lot of uh the

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Speaker 5: attitude seemed to be really positive, even the makeup trailers, right,

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Speaker 5: I think people were beat.

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Speaker 6: Up, yeah, because we did a lot of work.

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Speaker 5: But I think overall it was kind of a fun group.

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Speaker 5: I always remember it that way.

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Speaker 2: I think that there was so much drama on the camera,

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Speaker 2: Like I would just read these and going like what

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Speaker 2: that I was spending time like preparing getting these mental

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Speaker 2: and emotional states that I was just relieved to see

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Speaker 2: like a normal person at the at the you know,

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Speaker 2: getting lunch or something.

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Speaker 6: Hi, guys, Jack, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 7: Joy very upset was upset.

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Speaker 8: It's been the consensus too.

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Speaker 3: I mean we've had other guests in and we've talked

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Speaker 3: about it all the time, like we were just a

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Speaker 3: happy group of people, like we liked our jobs, we

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Speaker 3: liked pre each other, and that was just exceptional. And

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Speaker 3: the fact that thirty five years later we're so excited

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Speaker 3: to see everybody again, and.

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Speaker 5: I want to just to hear point daff and I

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Speaker 5: think that that was We all really treated the material

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Speaker 5: that way, really seriously, right, whatever emotional state, however crazy

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Speaker 5: it was, whatever it was, we were all real pros,

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Speaker 5: I thought, yeah, and did our best to make it

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Speaker 5: exciting and believable and sexy and funny or whatever it was. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: And I think that was consistent throughout the cast, don't

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Speaker 5: you well.

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Speaker 7: You know, I jumped ahead. We don't ahead. You came

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Speaker 7: in season three, episode six.

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Speaker 2: OK, not that you needed to know that, but we

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Speaker 2: figured that out, and you came on like the freaking

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Speaker 2: soap icon that you are. You just did so much

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Speaker 2: with your eyes and that hair, but I mean your

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Speaker 2: eyes were so you came in with this power. I'm

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Speaker 2: head of the hospital, your chief is chief of staff,

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Speaker 2: and you just like put whoever came in in their place.

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Speaker 2: Michael and h and Marcia for sure, but you were

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Speaker 2: just I was like, Wow, this guy has done this before.

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Speaker 1: It's so true and it's hard to own a set

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Speaker 1: because you're I mean, you were coming.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: Did you know when you started that you were going

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Speaker 1: to be on for so long? Was it an ARC

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Speaker 1: or were you hired full time right away?

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Speaker 5: To my memory, I think I was hired full time

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Speaker 5: and I knew I'd be a part of the cast.

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Speaker 5: And my goal, to your point, was to make an impact, right.

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Speaker 5: I really wanted to be this alpha male, you know,

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Speaker 5: no matter what it was, so that mission accomplishment totally.

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Speaker 8: Did you audition?

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Speaker 7: Did you?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 5: You know, last week we spoke and I thought about

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Speaker 5: it and I was doing a guest spot on a

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Speaker 5: Canadian TV show in Montreal, okay, And my agent called

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Speaker 5: and said, I'm sending you a script from melrose Place

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Speaker 5: and I was like soaped out. I'm like, no chance,

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Speaker 5: I'm not doing it. It feels like a soap. And

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Speaker 5: they said, well, it's a hot show and you'd be

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Speaker 5: working opposite Heather.

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Speaker 6: Locklare and so I'm like, okay, all right, well, all right,

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Speaker 6: all right.

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Speaker 5: So I took this script and flew across you know,

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Speaker 5: a long flight from Montreal and changed everything he wrote,

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Speaker 5: We did this that, and did you guys audition in

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Speaker 5: Aaron's officer and Spelling's office. Okay, So you know the office, right,

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Speaker 5: And for those who don't, it's this big, kind of white,

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Speaker 5: almost like bench like along the walls. Huge, huge, huge, right,

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Speaker 5: So it's almost sort of like a Broadway audition with

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Speaker 5: just cafeteria tables. You walk in and it's just a

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Speaker 6: And I went.

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Speaker 5: In and read with the casting director and this did

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Speaker 5: this whole improvisational, completely offscript, you know, got right in

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Speaker 5: her grill, grabbed your face, you know, with her hair,

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Speaker 5: did everything right, just went for it and got the part.

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Speaker 6: Wow. Okay.

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Speaker 5: So my first day on set was this scene and

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Speaker 5: I started doing what I.

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Speaker 6: Did in the audition.

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Speaker 7: Oh my god.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're all laughing because you know what happened, right,

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Speaker 5: and I think that director. The director was like, uh, yeah,

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Speaker 5: cut Jack, you need to call Darren Starr.

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Speaker 6: He's waiting to talk to you.

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh, okay, hey Darren, Hey Jack, what's

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Speaker 5: going on?

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Speaker 6: I said, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I'm just kind of doing that idea, just doing it

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Speaker 5: the way I did in the audition. He goes, yeah,

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Speaker 5: we do the lines that are written here.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 5: It was like, okay, well that was my first experience

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Speaker 7: We do the lines, we do the.

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Speaker 6: Lines is written. But that's how I got the.

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Speaker 2: Point because we were season three and they had had

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Speaker 2: so many people like winging in getting little maybe a

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Speaker 2: little lazy, I don't know. I had an experience because

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Speaker 2: we had fax machines back then where I had edited

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Speaker 2: a scene as a good little girl that I am,

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Speaker 2: and I faxed it to Derek to see ahead of

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Speaker 2: time because I wasn't gonna like, you know, and he

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Speaker 2: facts back Daphne. We don't make a habit good edits,

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Speaker 2: but don't make a habit of editing the things.

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Speaker 7: We don't do that here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I was the new kid on the block.

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Speaker 5: Well that's that my train.

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Speaker 7: You did a lot with your eyes. I think you

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Speaker 7: put all that in your eyes and you're staring.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been watching the episodes again.

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Speaker 1: I think it was such a good acting exercise, though,

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Speaker 1: because I can see myself struggling to make lines work,

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Speaker 1: like taking pauses in weird places to add the whatever

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Speaker 4: The sentence was. You could see like it really was.

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Speaker 1: It really built that muscle, like we could make it work, anything.

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Speaker 4: Work because you had no choice. That's right, It wasn't

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Speaker 2: It.

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Speaker 5: Really is an acting exercise. I don't think people understand that.

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Speaker 5: But when materials, we'll call it thin.

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Speaker 7: Right, if it's thin or over the top.

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Speaker 5: Or over the top, whatever it is, how are we

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Speaker 5: going to make this believable?

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Speaker 6: That's really the exercise. So I totally agree.

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Speaker 2: Now, Jack was a different because you'd come from other soaps.

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Speaker 2: You were such a star on General Hospital, So was

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Speaker 2: this a different kind of soap?

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Speaker 7: Nighttime soap?

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Speaker 5: Or was it massive to go to nighttime television from

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Speaker 5: daytime because I was really pigeonholed, you know, from General

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Speaker 5: Hospital and having a number one record and never really

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Speaker 5: being taken seriously as a musical artist, et cetera. Right,

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Speaker 5: and I'm like a thespian, Okay, I'm like from drama

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Speaker 5: school and classic theater and Stella Adler and here my

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Speaker 6: Okay, So this was.

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Speaker 5: Huge for me to score a nighttime series, whether it

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Speaker 5: be soap esque or whatever.

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Speaker 6: You know, it was a big jump.

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Speaker 1: And soon if we'll talk about the schedule being challenging,

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Speaker 1: but you were like, this is nothing compared to a

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Speaker 5: Pay seriously, girls like I. When you're on a front

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Speaker 5: burner storyline on a soap opera, you can have fifty

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Speaker 5: sixty pages of dialogue. Sometimes you'd have to do two

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Speaker 5: doing four to five episodes a day, you know, the

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Speaker 5: ones that have survived, right, But back then, you know,

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Speaker 5: it was really Uh, if you're on a front burner storyline,

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Speaker 5: you could have fifty sixty pages a dialogue, which I

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Speaker 5: I like to I call it power running. I love

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Speaker 5: preconceived notion, right when you rehearse a scene at home

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Speaker 6: So you know, that's always the best.

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Speaker 5: Challenge for me is to be now that I'm older,

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Speaker 5: more organic and available in rehearsal, especially in rehearsal because

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Speaker 5: even on the show I'm on now when calls the Heart,

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Speaker 5: I'm the only actor who's always in makeup, always in

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Speaker 6: It's just how I like it.

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Speaker 5: I just like to always be ready and sort of

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Speaker 5: just to be available for what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about how your Laura and Michael

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Speaker 1: stuff was like a separate show.

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Speaker 7: Like that office was like a separate comedy in there.

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Speaker 1: Right, And we had a little comedy when you doctor

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Speaker 1: said that different we could go there and you guys

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Speaker 1: just had a ball.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they were doing other stuff, like stuff was blowing

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Speaker 6: We had our un comedy shop, didn't we.

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Speaker 9: Up with your little crazy little matching outfit taking messages

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Speaker 9: and like do you remember there was like some sort

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Speaker 9: I would put them on a pencil and I don't know,

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Speaker 9: it's just just prop fun.

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Speaker 6: We were like fun. Yeah, we were great at it,

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Speaker 6: were you well? I mean I was always.

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Speaker 5: Trying to pull an apple in here or there, like

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Speaker 5: what what's what's with the apple?

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Speaker 6: What's he doing? You know, we don't need an apple.

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Speaker 7: We don't need you might need an apple.

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Speaker 8: We should try that.

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Speaker 7: We actually might.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so we I think we had a little comedy

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Speaker 7: It was fantastic.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was there saying where's the apple? Where's the apple

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Speaker 8: Do you remember this.

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Speaker 6: It sounds like you because I don't. I don't really

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Speaker 8: You were so great because you were you were like.

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Speaker 6: And you just don't get to do You.

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Speaker 6: This reminded me of, yes, that's really good day.

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Speaker 5: I saw that that's what it was and how to

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Speaker 7: You guys, did you totally?

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Speaker 7: Do you remember so much? Express if you can show them,

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Speaker 6: Specific because everything everything, the.

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Speaker 5: About or no, this was this was really you know, Daphney,

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Speaker 1: Well, no, the problem was before you were there. In

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Speaker 4: So that's what happened.

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Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, yes, you're right, but they just couldn't.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I remember writing quest that I had. I

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Speaker 2: I'm making it easier.

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Speaker 7: I'm not saying that what you did, mister Jack, but

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Speaker 6: You make a good point.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, their job is yeah, and we don't really can't.

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Speaker 5: That's why the call is about collaboration. Yes, like help

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like it got more collabor or more

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Speaker 6: But.

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Speaker 8: Did that ever happen?

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Speaker 7: Frank never directed Frank South.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So I think once that experience happened, they knew

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it always felt okay with me as

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Speaker 7: And Jamie Luner.

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Speaker 7: And not only us, but they're behind the scenes.

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Speaker 6: You know, but that was part of the show's beauty

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Speaker 5: I think when you start to bring on new characters

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Speaker 1: think it's hard to meet that many new characters.

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00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 6: I think you're right. I think that's what happened.

449
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,399
Speaker 2: Did you know anyone on our stet, Melrose before you

450
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:10,359
Speaker 2: came on this show?

451
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,400
Speaker 7: Do you remember you didn't know Heather already?

452
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 6: No? No, no, I didn't know anybody anything, but I

453
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:23,639
Speaker 6: do know ye to see you. I knew Chuck Pratt.

454
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,040
Speaker 5: Chuck Pratt is the one who had me called in

455
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,480
Speaker 5: two auditions from general very good.

456
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was fun to talk to you because he

457
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 1: comes from the soapback soapbackground. He was talking about when

458
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,200
Speaker 1: the show took a turn, and that was also the

459
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,440
Speaker 1: exact word thing, because he said, you don't know where

460
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 1: we've put a word that will come up six episodes

461
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,960
Speaker 1: down the line, like it was. They had to storyboard

462
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 1: it so carefully, So that was part of it too,

463
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,439
Speaker 1: But it was fun to hear him talk about he

464
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,879
Speaker 1: was the one who had that understanding of how to

465
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,400
Speaker 1: make that work when they realized it couldn't be eight

466
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 1: kids trying to make it because nobody watched it when

467
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 1: it was eight.

468
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,160
Speaker 6: Kids trying to make Yes.

469
00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think to Chuck's credit, you know, and

470
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 5: also what we've talked about about, you know, making a

471
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 5: scene better, We don't really know what a writer or

472
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 5: writing staff's intention is by putting something in there that's

473
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,640
Speaker 5: going to pay off, you know, later on in the season.

474
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 5: So that's you know, they have to protect, you know,

475
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 5: their storyboards, and it's not.

476
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 2: Only words, it's characteristics sometimes, so like they'll have in

477
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 2: this script, you know, Joe is you know, meekly blah

478
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 2: blah blah, and I'm like.

479
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 7: I don't want to play Meg, you know what I mean.

480
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,719
Speaker 2: But there's a reason because some other devil and then

481
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,679
Speaker 2: she rises up against him finally, and it's more satisfying,

482
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,120
Speaker 2: who knows. But that also was frustrating where they are,

483
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 2: you know, it's not just the words that they are

484
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:43,640
Speaker 2: thinking ahead with. But he said he did this really well.

485
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 2: Did you work with him on you did on General Hospital?

486
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 6: I think so?

487
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 7: He said to us, he put us through the soap

488
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 7: opera mill. Do you remember that? Oh, we put you

489
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 7: guys through the mill, you know, like just cranked it.

490
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 7: We cranked you guys through.

491
00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think yeah, he was referring to storey

492
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 3: lions and jumping through. But then also that we had

493
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 3: thirty two episodes a season is almost like a soap schedule,

494
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 3: I mean, but in a different like long.

495
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Speaker 8: Haul, right, I mean, you're doing okay?

496
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 5: You have?

497
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 3: You did for perspective, you did one hundred and thirty

498
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 3: nine episodes of Melrose Place in five years, in five

499
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 3: over five seasons of General Hospital.

500
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 8: You did six.

501
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 3: Hundred and fifty four episodes just for perspective, you know.

502
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,439
Speaker 5: Somebody else said said a couple of years back that

503
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 5: I've done over fifteen hundred to two thousand hours of television.

504
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know if that's true.

505
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 3: Well, because then on The Gold and the Beautiful you

506
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 3: did thirteen hundred and thirty four.

507
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 6: Business, it's true. That's nice.

508
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 3: So you're shooting multiple episodes in a day to get

509
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 3: to that number, and we think, wow, we had this

510
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 3: long running series.

511
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 7: You had like five of them, Jack, that's amazing.

512
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 8: Three long running shows.

513
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 3: When Calls the Heart for thirteen seasons going on thirteen

514
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 3: and Melrose, it's just like a drop in the bucket.

515
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 7: For you and.

516
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 2: A pro am golf career, Like, what's going on? Where

517
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 2: do you get it from?

518
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 5: So I'm trying if you'll just it's just like, I

519
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 5: don't know. I guess I was working with a guy,

520
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 5: Daniel Listening was the original mounting on one Calls the Heart, okay,

521
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 5: and he's Australian, so he always kind of struggled with

522
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 5: the accent, and especially if I brought some props in,

523
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 5: you know, he couldn't incorporate props. And he said, you know, my,

524
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 5: this guy's done over twenty five hundred.

525
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 6: Episodes of television.

526
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 5: I can't and I'm like and I was like, just

527
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 5: laughed it off and I'm going and so these statistics

528
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 5: are a little mind blowing to.

529
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 6: Me, I guess.

530
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 5: And it's it's an adjustment from a daytime show, which

531
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 5: most people, I don't know if they know, is three

532
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 5: to four to five cameras and a nighttime show which

533
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 5: is one camera. So that was the big adjustment for

534
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 5: melrose Place to me getting used to that different shooting schedule,

535
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 5: you know, turning it, turning a scene around and turning

536
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 5: around and shooting film nighttime TV.

537
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 6: So it was a great educator.

538
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we edit as we go, so it was

539
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 5: like live scene work.

540
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 6: So it was a great educator for me.

541
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 5: You know, it was a growing, growing ground for me

542
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 5: to you know, do nighttime television.

543
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 3: And but the whole your whole acting career came after

544
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 3: a music career.

545
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 8: Like that, right am?

546
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 3: I correct, Like that was sort of your first you

547
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 3: were pursuing music.

548
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 6: No, it's the opposite, was an actor.

549
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 8: Tell us all about that?

550
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 5: Well, I, you know, I'm from Missouri and I started

551
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 5: playing the guitar with some buddies and you know, partying

552
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 5: a bit and learning Neil Young and Seals and Crofts

553
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 5: and Elton John and all those things. And uh, I

554
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 5: started doing theater in high school. So I wound up.

555
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 5: You know, I was an athlete as well. So it

556
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 5: turns out, long story short, I go down to University

557
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 5: of Arizona to try out for the golf team and

558
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 5: I had never played structural golf team and there were

559
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 5: sixty guys and I made the golf team. I finished second,

560
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 5: and they didn't give me a scholarship. So I had

561
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 5: done community college and a drama school in Missouri, by

562
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 5: my hometown. So I go over to the on the

563
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 5: golf team, but not a scholarship. So I go over

564
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 5: to the head of the department at the University of Earth.

565
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 5: I meet him and I tell him my story. He says, well,

566
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 5: prepare a song, dance in a monologue. Okay, So I do,

567
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 5: and I get a full ride in drama to the

568
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 5: University of Arizona. So I launch into My first thing

569
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 5: is I'm on the costume department of the Barretts of

570
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 5: Wimple Street. This English classic, right, So I start in

571
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 5: the costume department and I wound up starting getting the

572
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 5: leads in the plays. And that's really where I went

573
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 5: from golf to acting.

574
00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 4: And so on the golf course.

575
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 5: He's on the golf So you know, the summer of graduation,

576
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 5: one of the one of the actors was a tour

577
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 5: guy at Universal Studios and said, you know, here's how

578
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 5: you get. So I went and applied at spring break

579
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 5: and I graduated and went immediately to La lived in

580
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 5: my car and was a tour guy. Just went to

581
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 5: became a tour guide at Universal.

582
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 2: Okay, it wasn't Jim Ward by the by chance was it?

583
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 7: Okay?

584
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 2: I lived with a we had a roommate of we

585
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: had a house full of five roommates.

586
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 7: I start when I was at U C l A and.

587
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,239
Speaker 2: Jim Ward, who was the voice of what was that

588
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 2: show with the night the car that spoke with night

589
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: writer and he did the tour to make you know

590
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: the rent.

591
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 7: So I was just wondering. But a lot of people,

592
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 7: I think very few of tour.

593
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 5: Got a great job because you're performing on the tram.

594
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 5: I would do voices and characters and so that's that

595
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 5: was my first real job in town. And I got

596
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 5: a roommate, so I wound up having a normal life. Anyway,

597
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 5: the first audition I went on, I got this agent

598
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 5: through somebody, and I got the part. It was called

599
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 5: A New Day and Eden on on TV, the first

600
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 5: cable network, and it shot on Gower Lot and it

601
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 5: had actually partial nudity and it was a soap opera okay,

602
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 5: not for men, but it was just risk a and

603
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 5: it shot in the studio next to General Hospital. So

604
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 5: here's like Rick Springfield and John Stamos and Tony Gary

605
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 5: all trying to come over to our studio to like

606
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 5: look in the thing. It got canceled, okay, but that

607
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 5: was my first job, my first audition, and I got

608
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 5: an agent and from that I got a different agent,

609
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 5: and so literally there was a man hunt about a

610
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 5: year later for the character Frisco Jones. So I go

611
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 5: in this audition and it's my fifth screen test. This

612
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 5: is getting back to music. I'm sorry, it's a long story,

613
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 5: but I guess that's why I'm.

614
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 6: Here, right.

615
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 5: So they call ABC calls and said do you buy

616
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 5: chance play the guitars sing? And I said, well yeah,

617
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 5: so I bring my guitar in. I do this Kenny

618
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 5: Loggins tune this.

619
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 6: Wait a little while to welcome what your have to.

620
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 5: So I'm just knocking this tune out I put my

621
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 5: guitar down, I do the scene work, I get the part.

622
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 6: Okay.

623
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 5: Now, I'm working at a clothing store in Sunset, and

624
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 5: I got the call while I'm working there. And it

625
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 5: turns out I wound up having them buy the wardrobe

626
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 5: from this store, and they wound up branching out and

627
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 5: having quite a few stories. But that's where I was

628
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 5: when I got the call. So I have to go

629
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 5: in the recording studio and record some songs, which I've

630
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 5: never done. I've done musical theater, et cetera. And I

631
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 5: have to sing on John Stamos's band, Blackie in the

632
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 5: Riff Raff.

633
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 6: Okay, so I haven't even started work yet.

634
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 5: So the woman who was just in charge of ABC

635
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 5: Daytime Music was from Mercury Records, and she was at

636
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 5: the recording session.

637
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 6: She introduced herself.

638
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 5: So I knocked these songs out, sing them, and she goes,

639
00:28:59,000 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 5: would you have yema men?

640
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 6: And I said yeah. She goes, would you be interested

641
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 6: in a record deal?

642
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 7: Oh my, oh my god, this.

643
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 4: Is eight nineteen weeks all this stuff happened.

644
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 6: Oh oh yeah, within a week.

645
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 8: The park you were no longer living in your car.

646
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 5: And she says, would you be interested in a record deal,

647
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 5: And I'm like.

648
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, why not?

649
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 5: And so two nights later I had dinner with Quincy

650
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 5: Jones and Herbie Hancock, and I signed with Quincy and

651
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 5: Quest Records his label, and he assigned Glenn Ballard and

652
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 5: Cliff Magnus to the Jack Wagner project.

653
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 6: You know.

654
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 5: And there I am meeting James Ingram and Patty Austin

655
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 5: and you know, Quincy's people on Quincy's label, and my

656
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 5: first record was All I Need that they wrote now

657
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 5: they wrote it for you, they wrote it for me, No,

658
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 5: Glenn Ballard and Cliff Magnus and David Pack and so

659
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 5: all of a sudden it was on the show, you know,

660
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 5: it was on they released it to and I started

661
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 5: to do it on the show, and they released it

662
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 5: to radio stations, and they called and they said the

663
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 5: head of the label, not Quincy Colton.

664
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 6: Said the record's dead. And I'm like, are you talking

665
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 6: like I am so?

666
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 5: And by the way, I'm very ambitious anyway, in terms

667
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 5: of where I was in my life at the time.

668
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 5: You know, I'm doing theater, I'm doing all kinds of

669
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 5: little small stages. I'm studying at cell Adler I got

670
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 5: this part on General Hospital and I'm like dead, and

671
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, radio station in Oxnard, Why one

672
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 5: hundred played it, and then it's Cis Tutation in Miami

673
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 5: Plate and it starts to snowball around the country and

674
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 5: teenage girls started requesting all I.

675
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 6: Need because I was seeing it on.

676
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 5: And in three or four weeks, it was a number

677
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 5: one record behind yeah, behind Like a Virgin. It was

678
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 5: the number number two on the pop charts for three weeks,

679
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 5: behind Like a Virgin Madonna's song, and it was number

680
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 5: one on the AC charts.

681
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 6: And that's how it happened.

682
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 7: Wow, amazing. So they want to kill it before it even.

683
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's kind of what the radio business was like,

684
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 5: the record business if it didn't hit right away. And

685
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 5: then it was the fans of General Hospital that really

686
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 5: were calling.

687
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: And it must have brought more young viewers to General Hospital,

688
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: Oh huge.

689
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, because Rick Spinfield just had Jesse's girl, he had

690
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 5: left the show. Luke and Laura had just happened, so

691
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 5: and Johnny Staymos was leaving the show. So I was

692
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 5: kind of taking over, you know, for these these storylines

693
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 5: and these iconic you know, characters and actors that were leaving.

694
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 5: So you know, that's where I moved into General Hospital.

695
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 7: And you did it for five years the first time,

696
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 7: right or something, and then I.

697
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 5: Did it for about four years, three or four years

698
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 5: till eighty seven. I did a national tour of West

699
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 5: Side Story. Oh the eighty eight I did a national

700
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 5: tour of Greece playing Danny Zuko. So I went back

701
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 5: to my theater roots. Yeah, back to gh for eighty

702
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 5: nine to ninety and then kind of uh, yeah.

703
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: It was a different time for soaps that people now

704
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: probably don't know. But General Hospital was so hot, and

705
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: it was like it jumped from soap opera magazines to

706
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: regular magazines. Everybody was watching, and you had these music

707
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: stars watching. As a teenage go at the time, I

708
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: listened to that maybe a thousand times.

709
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 4: Hear you're talking about I'm like, oh my god, I'm

710
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 4: seventeen again.

711
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 7: I was listening right on the way. I gotta hear

712
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 7: his song.

713
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 4: Do you remember?

714
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 6: That's awesome?

715
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 8: Are you doing any music now? Are you? Are you

716
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 8: do you song? Do you write songs?

717
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 7: Do you play?

718
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 8: You just played?

719
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 6: No? Not right now.

720
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 5: I was so plugged into music when I was doing

721
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 5: the franchise of movies with Josie Bassett Channel.

722
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 7: Were you doing music for the show for the series.

723
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 6: For the movies, Yeah, I was.

724
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 5: Basically I rewrote my story as uh, I just told

725
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 5: you as a you know, a guy who did music

726
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 5: in college and this was his college sweetheart and I

727
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 5: wrote songs together, et cetera. In any way that relationship ended,

728
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 5: but he had a musical career and hit records and

729
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 5: here he is owning a wedding lodge and so she

730
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 5: comes up to do her wedding there they see each

731
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 5: other and had to drop the platter moment, and so

732
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 5: that's what created franchise. So I wrote and played a

733
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 5: lot of music.

734
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 4: Did you bring the story to them?

735
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean it was kind of the executive producer

736
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 5: of When Calls the Heart said listen, if you sell this,

737
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 5: I'll make you executive producer, you know, and blah blah blah,

738
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 5: And so I kind of rewrote it and readjusted it

739
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 5: and sold it. Like we're talking to the heads of

740
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 5: Hallmark who were in Vancouver for a dinner, and I

741
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 5: walked in and said, that story exactly to this, the music,

742
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 5: they love each other. This he goes off on tour.

743
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 6: They split.

744
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 5: Twenty five years later, they see each other drop the

745
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 5: platter moment and they went, you're in development, so.

746
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: You're clearly great at story and dialogue.

747
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 4: Do you write?

748
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 5: Not really, No, it's more about just I would say

749
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 5: my forte is actually having seen work and then being

750
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 5: able to feel and know if something needs to be

751
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 5: adjusted or funnier, and and what we talked about earlier

752
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 5: about changing things, et cetera. I really learned to incorporate writer,

753
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 5: you know, like, can you help me? That's my first word,

754
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 5: that's the first thing out of my mouth. Can you

755
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 5: help me with this? Because I want to understand you

756
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 5: know what you want here because I'm not clear, And

757
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 5: then I'll completely moving into wanting to get.

758
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 6: It my way right.

759
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 5: That's good, Okay, lessons out there for people.

760
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 7: It works better than what the hell are you trying

761
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 7: to say?

762
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is all.

763
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe take some notes by the way, to take

764
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 3: note we ever wants to take notes of Jack.

765
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 5: And on another note, in selling that movie idea. I

766
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 5: don't know about you, guys, but I just have found

767
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 5: that this business is really about relationships. I mean, sometimes

768
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 5: you you can do audition cold auditions and get parts.

769
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 5: But once you maybe establish yourself or have a career,

770
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 5: it's really about how you pitch an idea and yourself

771
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 5: and how.

772
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 6: You humanize it.

773
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 5: That's what I found, because when you humanize something and

774
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 5: kind of tell the story truthfully, I think it resonates.

775
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: It doesn't also, Matt for the young actors out there,

776
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: it also matters how you act on the set, like

777
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: people know you, they go Jack is great, He's collaborative,

778
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: he's funny, he brings joy to the sets.

779
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 7: Here early in wardrobe and knows his line cards.

780
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: You know what you're doing. You were so much fun

781
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: to have on set.

782
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 7: Why you know we're talking like we're lying. You don't

783
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 7: know the real you we're talking about.

784
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: And I said this to you and our lovely the

785
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: Melrose minute. But you used to because Heather was such

786
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: a huge star, and you used.

787
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 4: To say Helen is Helen here?

788
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: You always pretend you didn't know her name, which killed

789
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: me every single time. And then do you remember when

790
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: they brought you like you asked for a touch up

791
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: or a mirror before a scene and Loana Jeffers brought

792
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: out a full length mirror.

793
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 4: It was decorated. You remember that, like they were teasing.

794
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 1: You've actually but you'reone generally teases, but you can take teasing,

795
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,919
Speaker 1: which is so important, right, Like you just love to laugh,

796
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: Like let's keep the banter going both ways.

797
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, so much fun to.

798
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: Have in a fourteen hour day. Somebody who's determined to

799
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: have fun.

800
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 5: Well, thanks, I mean I I always tried to have

801
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 5: a pocket mirror.

802
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 6: Yeah.

803
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to be a bit self deprecating, right,

804
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 5: you know. I think I heard Grant Shows say once

805
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 5: in an interview. He says, Yep, when you're working with Jack,

806
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 5: you just got to remember it's about the hair.

807
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 6: Don't mess with is it.

808
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 7: You know, your hair and opening scene.

809
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 4: In your opening scene, it was slipped back.

810
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: It was like hair enough for three men, which is

811
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: very unfair, and it slipped back in this really dashing way.

812
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 4: Was it dashing?

813
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 7: Well, it's so Jack, like no one could read, you know.

814
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 7: Then they cut to Thomas and you're.

815
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: Like, oh boy, hair an effort.

816
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 6: Look at me.

817
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 5: I'm still keeping the floppy top going double process.

818
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 6: I'm keeping it.

819
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: It was amazing in the suit and you just had

820
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 2: these lines like I'm the boss here, you know, I

821
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 2: moved in, I'm chief of staff.

822
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 7: I'll be making changes. And I loved it. You know why,

823
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 7: because we've been watching since episode.

824
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 8: One see for the podcast, you had to start getting.

825
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 6: What's like you guys, it's weird.

826
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 2: Well, it's very weird in many reasons. We're cringey on

827
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: our own, like what was I thinking? But but for me,

828
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 2: Thomas makes me so, I'm sorry, Michael Mancini.

829
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 7: We find that we blend doing this.

830
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: Courtney especially really is irritated with the whole Amanda Billy

831
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 2: thing at this point thirty years.

832
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: You know, like Heather keeps kissing Andrew like it's Amanda kissing.

833
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 6: Interest was great, so we were.

834
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 4: Also Andrew and I were dating in real life. So

835
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 4: I'm having this thing.

836
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: I'm defending Allison, also defending like, get your hands off

837
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: my man, also off Alison's man.

838
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:43,439
Speaker 6: It's a lot.

839
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 7: You didn't start a lot.

840
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: You didn't start dating Heather till years after you went

841
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: even though you were like this on characters, really.

842
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 6: Really close, really funny friends. Yeah, but what took you

843
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 6: so long? Dude? You're married?

844
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 7: That's sorry.

845
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 5: We say that supp for Melrose know that you were

846
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 5: dating him.

847
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 6: Oh that's so funny. And then you wound up with Doug.

848
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 3: Well, I married Doug, but I had dated Grant, like

849
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 3: Grant going on, Yeah, yeah, stated Grant.

850
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 6: Did you date Grant?

851
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 4: I did not know.

852
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 8: I think just I did. Yeah, we did for a

853
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 8: while and then you know, Doug and I've been married.

854
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 1: For twenty seven amazing, I know. And you met their

855
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: son Jack outside. Isn't that the sweet? I think they

856
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: named him after you.

857
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's uncomfortable for you, now do

858
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 4: for me, thank you.

859
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 8: They'll call you uncle Joe.

860
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 6: Doug high and was like, Doug.

861
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 7: I will, I will.

862
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 8: And he reminded me of something.

863
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 3: I think you you sang at a rap party or

864
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 3: a Christmas party?

865
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 8: Did you sing jailhouse rock? And you performed at one

866
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 8: of our parties? Do you guys remember that?

867
00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 7: Do you remember that?

868
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 8: Do you remember it was season three or you don't

869
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 8: remember it?

870
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 6: No?

871
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 5: Maybe it was by hotel or something like that. I

872
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 5: think it was hard, just kind of whip out a

873
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 5: little elviss.

874
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 6: Every now and then.

875
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's amazing.

876
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 3: That's so fun though, Like maybe it was just a

877
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: spontaneous moment, like there was a stage, there was a mic,

878
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 3: and you can handle it and you.

879
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 8: Just did it.

880
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a rock star, okay with that, Yeah, that

881
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 2: sounds it.

882
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 4: You have more experience at the time than we did.

883
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: But one of the things to talk about a lot

884
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: is that we wish you could have appreciated it more

885
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: in the moment, like we were. It was so overwhelming.

886
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: There was press on weekends, you remember, there was so much.

887
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: It was so intense that I wish I could have realized, oh, like,

888
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: this is incredible. I just thought, well, I guess this

889
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: is my life now. I didn't really get it then.

890
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: I wish i'd appreciate it more, did you? Because you've

891
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: been working so long, could you really appreciate how special

892
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: it was?

893
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 5: I think that's really normal, Courtney, to think now you

894
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 5: didn't appreciate it then, And I don't know if I

895
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 5: agree with that. I just think, you know, you're young.

896
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 5: We're all we were younger, right, We were entrenched in

897
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 5: the show, in our lives and in the populace already.

898
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 5: It was high demand, especially for you guys. I mean,

899
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 5: you guys were doing Rolling Stone, you were doing you know,

900
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 5: you guys were really really in demand, and everybody was

901
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 5: doing movies of the week on our off time. So

902
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 5: I don't know, if it's so much that we didn't

903
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 5: appreciate it, and I won't speak for you, but that

904
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 5: I didn't appreciate it. I just think there was an

905
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 5: ambition and a sort of that was our life, right,

906
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 5: This was how we lived. This was the peace of life,

907
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 5: and we had to be ambitious and busy and on

908
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 5: top of it.

909
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 6: And I think we were all on top of it.

910
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,959
Speaker 5: And to say we didn't appreciate it, or I didn't

911
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 5: appreciate it, or maybe you didn't appreciate it.

912
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 6: I don't know if that's true.

913
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 5: I just think at our ages, this is just who

914
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 5: we were, right, And maybe we were just weren't just

915
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 5: as evolved as we are now in terms of self

916
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 5: awareness and maturity and appreciation and compassion. I think that

917
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 5: comes with age. Ye.

918
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: One thing that I had was when I finally was

919
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 2: living my dream because I always wanted to act, the

920
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: only thing I've ever wanted to do. And I remember, like,

921
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: you know, you have the nice car and you're driving

922
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: to work and you're you know, and I remember.

923
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 7: These thoughts are going.

924
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: It's very different longing for the dream and being in

925
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 2: the dream. You're working twelve hours and like you said,

926
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: things are coming at you and you still have insecurity

927
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: and you're still there's still stuff going on.

928
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 7: It's very different being in it.

929
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: It is, you know, so it's it's I think it's

930
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: in hindsight that you really get to go, oh, I

931
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: appreciate both, you know, But in the moment, it was

932
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 2: you're still like going.

933
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 7: When's it get you know, And I.

934
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: Was like, oh, the red carpets, even the red carpets,

935
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: everyone going, well, you're on red carpet.

936
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 7: But it was like so stressful, stressful.

937
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 8: I think it's going to be versus what it yeah, feels.

938
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, that's a good point too about the hours.

939
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: Because you're there so much, you kind of can't get perspective.

940
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: Like I remember I had to have an assistant because

941
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: if a pipe burst in my house, I wasn't there.

942
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: You're gone from five thirty am to eight pm. You

943
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: can't do your real life.

944
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 4: So maybe that's right.

945
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: You don't have the perspective because you don't have another life.

946
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: And then on weekends we had photo shoots, and then

947
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: of course in the beginning I was dating Andrews.

948
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 7: It was really all.

949
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 4: All the time.

950
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: So that's a good point because it's so overwhelming. That

951
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: experience was so overwhelming that maybe you can't see it

952
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: from the outside.

953
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 6: I think it's perspectively. I think you make a great point.

954
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: We're the way that we can look back at your career.

955
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: It just seems like you've done and then you've filled

956
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: it in with even more highlights and working and your creativity.

957
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 7: But when you were.

958
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: Actually doing it, were there times that you were, you know,

959
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 2: afraid the phone wouldn't ring, or were there big breaks

960
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 2: that were stressful for you?

961
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 5: Or has it always been anytime there's a two ninety two,

962
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 5: I was out of work, two thousand and two, I

963
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 5: was out of work. Twenty twelve, I was out of work.

964
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 6: That's how I look at it, right.

965
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 4: The three whole years you've been out of the.

966
00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 5: Devastating I can't imagine, and reflecting back on that, but

967
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 5: like if I'm reflecting back myself, when I've looked back,

968
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 5: it's like, Wow.

969
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 6: What's with these twos?

970
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 5: Because I've bet gratefully, you know, kind of been working

971
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 5: primarily on these shows you've you mentioned earlier, right, and

972
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 5: I've but you know, I've never and it's okay, I've

973
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 5: never like I have never auditioned for a pilot. I've

974
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 5: never had a pilot, And I know all you guys

975
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 5: have had pilots and pilots, and it's like, I gratefully

976
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 5: have always been they've been ensemble casts, but I've always been,

977
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 5: you know, working, and I've never done a pilot, right.

978
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 6: How many pilots have you guys gone? Like a bunch? Right?

979
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 5: And so yeah, but so I I but years two

980
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 5: is anything with the two in it?

981
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 7: Okay? Interesting?

982
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 6: Usually been not twenty twenty two, I was on.

983
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: So then are you cast into existing shows? For the

984
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: most part, they're already going and then they bring you in? Yeah,

985
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: of course missing Jack Wagner and then.

986
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 5: I guess so they just sort of moved me in

987
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 5: there and that that's been the pattern.

988
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: And I know that golf through all this has been

989
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: still a love of yours. I remember talking to you

990
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 2: about Pebble Beach and where to goes. I was going

991
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 2: up to a golf course with a boyfriend and I

992
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: was like, where do we go?

993
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 7: And your I think your name's on that wall at

994
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 7: Pebble Beach. Probably it is.

995
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 6: So I'm just wondering very hard to get that.

996
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 7: What is it like it's like your mistress to this career.

997
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 5: I you know, I quit playing golf. And the producer

998
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 5: of General Hospital remember the movie Tutsie, So that's based

999
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 5: on Gloria Monty, who was you know, changed General Hospital

1000
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 5: from going off the air in seventy nine to getting

1001
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 5: Luke and Laura and turned that around to the number

1002
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 5: one show.

1003
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 6: And she cast me.

1004
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 5: And before that screen test I told you about earlier,

1005
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 5: she brought me into a room and improv with me

1006
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 5: for about fifteen minutes.

1007
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 6: So she's old.

1008
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 5: School group theater, right, That's where she comes from. So

1009
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 5: gratefully I was ready for that, you know, because I

1010
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 5: had studied improv et cetera. And I get cast and.

1011
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 6: She's like, oh, I hear you play golf.

1012
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 5: And I'm like that's how she kind of talked very

1013
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 5: you know, she's very theatrical.

1014
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 6: And I said, yeah, Glory, I do I you know.

1015
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 5: This is I'm going to have Bobby to take you

1016
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 5: out to bell I think you should play Bellout country Club.

1017
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 5: And so I go with her husband and he brings

1018
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 5: a couple of guys along and run's this gambling kind

1019
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 5: of like kind of character and I hit it off

1020
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 5: with him great, and I wind up joining Bellair country Club. Okay,

1021
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 5: And so that's when my golf started. And James Garner

1022
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 5: was you know, I've got to know Jimmy really well

1023
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 5: and a lot of you know, I mean, I played golf,

1024
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 5: tons of golf with like Sean Connery and Nicholson and guys. Right,

1025
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 5: so I know so many iconic guys through golf. I

1026
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 5: don't even think they know I act or ever did,

1027
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 5: but I was. You know, I was club championship at

1028
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 5: bell Air for seven times. And so anyway, James Garner says,

1029
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 5: you should take my partner and play Pebble Beach. So

1030
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 5: I went up at John Cook and played in the

1031
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 5: at and t Pebble Beach a couple of years and

1032
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 5: I won it in nineteen ninety one. Yeah, and so

1033
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 5: I had long hair and a ear ring, and you

1034
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 5: know it was not looking like a golfer, but it

1035
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 5: was just when I was returning to dot.

1036
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 7: You have your own charity golf.

1037
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 6: I did it.

1038
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 5: Was the ambassador of the Lukema Inphoma Society for years

1039
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 5: and event for lukemia lymphoma.

1040
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 7: Did Grant participate in that?

1041
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 6: I think Grant might have a couple of times.

1042
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 5: You know, guys like Peshi and Jerry West and Tim

1043
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 5: Allen and guys I know through golf showed up, and

1044
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 5: you know, I had my own tournament for that was

1045
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 5: my platform. You know, there's a community in Los Angeles,

1046
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 5: a golf community that's sort of just unspoken, like I

1047
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 5: plan Anthony Anderson's and George Lopez's and you know, SAG tournament.

1048
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 5: You know, you know, it's just kind of like our

1049
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 5: little bubble, you know, Laura at the doctor's office. That's

1050
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 5: kind of the golf community, the celebrity golf community in

1051
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 5: Los Angeles, athletes.

1052
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 7: Or whatever kind of Are you still doing that?

1053
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I plan all those events.

1054
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: Did you have to do anything with your back or

1055
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 2: I know that people have probably.

1056
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 6: My body is killing me.

1057
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, the body parts a little bit, you know in

1058
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 2: the course.

1059
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, I still walk, but I condition like every day.

1060
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 5: You know, I'm in the gym and I've started cold

1061
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 5: plunging and I do a ton of cardios. So I

1062
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 5: really pay attention to my body and they're still right.

1063
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 5: As a leading man ladies on, so I got to

1064
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 5: keep it up.

1065
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: Listen on that leading man judge on, Yeah, a leading

1066
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 2: man judge, aren't you a judge?

1067
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 7: On that Judge now and it's coming back. It just

1068
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 7: got picked up.

1069
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 5: We heard all the hardies out there, so please listen

1070
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 5: to Still the Place, Still the Place, because I'll encourage

1071
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 5: the hearties to tune in.

1072
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 4: Please do I still want to be a party? I

1073
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 4: told you that I think you are.

1074
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 8: I think which is?

1075
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 7: I think you are?

1076
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 1: I want thee I think you were doting teenager showing

1077
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: on the they were showing people getting the gift bags ready,

1078
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, I want to be in that.

1079
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: I want to be in the pre production that. Yes,

1080
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: they want to organize it.

1081
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 6: You know what I did this.

1082
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 4: Year the gift bags.

1083
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 6: They brought Melissa Gilbert on.

1084
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 5: Gilbert brought off my characters to have a backstory with

1085
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 5: the Mounties how we trained. So she did a couple

1086
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 5: episodes and she's coming back next year.

1087
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 6: I so it was really really great.

1088
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: Her Instagram isn't she like living in upstate New York

1089
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: and you know, and she's now.

1090
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 5: A Hearty and she's doing some theater. But she was

1091
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 5: terrific and we hit it off and uh, yeah, she's

1092
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 5: going to come back to the show.

1093
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 7: So did you ever think of going to New York

1094
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 7: as an actor? Because you were so immersed in your

1095
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 7: studies doing it in New York.

1096
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,479
Speaker 6: I appreciate you asking that. Yeah I did.

1097
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 5: I was committed to that, and the head of the

1098
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 5: drama department who gave me the scholarship said, go to

1099
00:48:58,920 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 5: l a.

1100
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 6: Smart long in LA.

1101
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 5: Sure that's a TV fan. But you know what I

1102
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 5: did right after Melrose is so I went right to

1103
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 5: Broadway and played Jacqueline Hide.

1104
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 6: So I was on Broadway my dream, you know.

1105
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 5: So you know, I had a few shows to choose

1106
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 5: from because of the Melrose heat, and so I chose

1107
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 5: Jacqueline Hyde. But no, I really faced that, Daphne, thanks

1108
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 5: for asking that.

1109
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 6: I went to LA.

1110
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 7: Well, you know what, jack because your your longevity is

1111
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 7: really astounding.

1112
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 2: I mean I knew that before, but I'm like, oh,

1113
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 2: Jackie's always been around, and we did a couple of

1114
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: TV movies after Melrose, and but when I was really

1115
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 2: looking into it, you know, it takes to have that

1116
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: kind of longevity, Like it doesn't surprise me. Your theater

1117
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 2: background and all the studies that you continue insteadle out

1118
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: Adler and you did that at Arizona and you went

1119
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 2: to New York and.

1120
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 7: You're doing stuff in between the national tour.

1121
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think people know that, Like they

1122
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 2: kind of get used to labeling us, like you're either

1123
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 2: a theater actor or a TV actor or a movie star,

1124
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: and it's like sometimes you're just this actor that that study,

1125
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: and you don't know how it's going to go right,

1126
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 2: you don't know where the path is.

1127
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 6: Going to teach correct correct.

1128
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, But as I said before, going to the Nighttime

1129
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 5: with Melrose, it was a whole new training ground for

1130
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 5: me for film because I just sort of knew the

1131
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 5: stage and those four cameras on a soap stage, right,

1132
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 5: So that was huge.

1133
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 6: But I want to tell you a quick story.

1134
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 5: I love all of the Like we've talked about music

1135
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 5: and records and you know, being a teen idol in

1136
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 5: the eighties, et cetera. Dudes, dudes recognized me from golf

1137
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 5: and one thing I did, okay, that was a guest star.

1138
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 5: I went an audition for Ray Donovan about seven eight

1139
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 5: years ago, okay, And so you know, an audition sometimes

1140
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 5: they recognize you or they don't know who you are

1141
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 5: at all, right, And I faced that my whole career,

1142
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 5: and so I go on audition for Ray Donovan. It's

1143
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 5: just me and the casting director, and they called and said,

1144
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 5: does he really just wanted to do like does he.

1145
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 6: Want this whole arc? Maybe? So they knew me.

1146
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 5: I was excited, right, and I'm like, going, no, I

1147
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 5: just kind of I love this show whatever. So I

1148
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 5: came on as a pat say Jack okay, and like

1149
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 5: the Vana White was played by Cheryl Cheryl.

1150
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 6: Okay, she was my Vana White.

1151
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 5: And so it turns out that I have this thing

1152
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 5: and the producer on the show was Tom Cruise ex

1153
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 5: wife White with the what's her name Katie Holmes, So

1154
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 5: it's Katie Holmes me and leave shreiver in these scenes.

1155
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 5: So I tucked my my my clayex in. I'm at

1156
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 5: the makeup thing, right, and she comes up and leaves there,

1157
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 5: and she producer says, and he says something, I said,

1158
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 5: who's this guy?

1159
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 6: Right? I said who? She can't and and and Vana.

1160
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 5: White wants to come on, Cheryl wants to come on

1161
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 5: and take my spot, and we have this whole thing

1162
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 5: and he's supposed to punch me. And we're with the

1163
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 5: director who's who's working on House of Cards at the time.

1164
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 6: So I'm in and he goes, I can't punch him.

1165
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 5: If I punch Pat, say Jack, he's going to mean

1166
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 5: to bruise him and all that, and you can't punch

1167
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 5: a pat, say Jack, And I go, yeah, what are

1168
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 5: we gonna do? So we do this double bitch slap. Okay,

1169
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 5: So I'm like, what do you mean you get go sweat?

1170
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 6: And I'm like, who are you thinking? And I'm like.

1171
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 5: And so all kinds of men at bell are all

1172
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 5: these guys watch that. They all know me from that

1173
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 5: episode and nothing from the Hallmark Channel, nothing from anything else.

1174
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 6: So that's how dudes know me?

1175
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 7: Or was that?

1176
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 6: No, it wasn't written.

1177
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 5: No, kind of We kind of took a hit a

1178
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 5: punch and just kind of came up with it and

1179
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 5: it was really I love it.

1180
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 8: Her has something for everyone.

1181
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 6: One thing that men kind of came up.

1182
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 5: Dude, I sell you and Ray Donovan man got bitch slapped.

1183
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 4: Thanks Jackie's been such a joy to have you.

1184
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 6: Thank you.

1185
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 3: For coming out, Thanks for interrupting your golf games.

1186
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, this has been really nice to see you guys

1187
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 5: and catch up like this.

1188
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 6: It's direct.

1189
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 4: Thank you fun.

1190
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 6: Thanks for having memory.

1191
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 4: Pretty good, very good, you thought, he warned us. In

1192
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 4: the beginning. He said, I'm not going to remember anything.

1193
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: Well, then look at those stories.

1194
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's something you didn't get a chance to tell.

1195
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 3: So we would love to have you back another time.

1196
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 6: Sometimes, yes, that'd be awesome. Thank you. You guys were

1197
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 6: terrific and so good to see you so good.

1198
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 8: Thanks for having me so much.