1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:05,039 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm An S. Williams. Welcome to the NFL Player's Podcast. 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: I'm excited because I'm going back in history, but not 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: too far to one of my proteges who is doing 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: extremely well now and doing great things, none other than 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: Corey Shavers. We're talking about Dallas Cowboys playoff game. That's right, 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: how about them Coyle Boys. We had a great run together, 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,159 Speaker 1: playoff experiences and just talking about HBC U s and 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: what Corey is doing. Now, let's listen in Corey Shavers 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,959 Speaker 1: n eighteen eight and guess what Corey you being on 10 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: this podcast? It's probably long overdue. We're talking about legends, 11 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: talking about life, talking about things that people may not 12 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: know about. The Corey Shavers coming out of Vanderbilt second 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: round draft pick. Here's the first thing I'm gonna opening 14 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: up with. How many people you think? No? It was 15 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: Corey Shavers is van of the built team that probably 16 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: kept my homeboy Peyton Manning from trophy. Can you speak 17 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: about that? Police? You know it's funny and me is 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: I was talking to um David Cutcliffe who coached Peyton 19 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: in school. He's a dupe now, so we were talking 20 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: about it earlier this year. And he was saying like, hey, 21 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: you guys gave us some uh tough games. I thought 22 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 1: about you. I was like, because my response was yeah, 23 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: but y'all one, so you know all those tough game 24 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: talks and stuff I used to mess with you about 25 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: thinking that we had done something we never could come 26 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: out on top. And and that's the thing that uh, 27 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: I guess that's the only thing I remember today is like, 28 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: I'm still kind of ticked off about that. Well, you 29 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: said he's not coming out on top. You guys, no 30 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: matter what happened, you seem to always be able to 31 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: beat the Tennessee volunteers and kind of reminds the Orlando 32 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: Pace when he was with coach Cooper. Ohio State always 33 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: mess with him because they could beat everybody except of 34 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: Michigan and that probably kept him from a national championship. 35 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: But as we moved forward, Corey, I'll never forget. Man, 36 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: you get drafted in the second round, you come, you 37 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: have all this hair on your head. Man, you get 38 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: But one of the things I remember when I first 39 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: saw you was the confidence that you had. And the 40 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: confidence came not just from your ability to play football, 41 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: but the amount of intelligence that you possess. That to 42 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: me stood out because so many people don't realize that 43 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: football starting at Ivy League schools and football was always 44 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: a thinking man sport and a lot of the guys 45 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame are intellectuals as well. It's 46 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: not just talent. So that's one of the things that 47 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: stood out. So when you were drafted, what were you 48 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: thinking when you were drafted in second round to my 49 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: beloved Arizona Cardin. Well, you know what, man, I it 50 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: was kind of funny because I felt like I should 51 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: have gone higher, right, always feel like that. I know 52 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: you probably felt like that when you when you were drafted, 53 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 1: But I was happy. I was elated to be able 54 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: to come somewhere where you you know, I knew football, 55 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: so I'm like, man, I'm gonna get to you know, 56 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: get to play with the Knicks William, you know. So 57 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: it's kind of it's kind of cool. And I knew 58 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: a lot of the other players in the team, like 59 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: Eric Swan and you know, send Me and Rice who 60 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: they had drafted. Eric Hill was a top ten pick, 61 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: so I felt like if I could come in and 62 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: just find my way early on, they would drafted me 63 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: to come in and kind of play with you guys like, uh, 64 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: we were gonna have three corners on the field at 65 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: the time, because you remember back in those days, Nikki, 66 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: the NFC e has had three everybody had three corners. 67 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: You had Philadelphia with Troy, Bobby and and Al Harris, 68 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: and you go on on Philippe A. Sparks and See 69 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: Horn and all those guys in New York, and then 70 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: Darryl And and Dion and uh Champing all those guys 71 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: and and Washington. So it was a three corner division. 72 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: And I was just trying to make sure I can 73 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: come in and make some play aids are. I felt 74 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: like I'll be able to, but things got off to 75 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: a slow start. One of one one of the things 76 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: I want to make sure anybody's listening, Corey, you said 77 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: something when you came in you pretty much knew the roster. 78 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: And not only did you know the roster, you did 79 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: the roster of other teams. Share with everybody that's listening. 80 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: Number One, where are your passion for the history of 81 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: the game and the understanding of the game. Why was 82 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: that so important to you at a young age? Well, 83 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: for me, I mean it was because of my uncle. 84 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: My uncle was everything to me in terms of you know, 85 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: when I'm back in I was a ball boy in 86 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: the Broncos training camp, so the same trivia me and 87 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: you used to do. I used to queiz a lot 88 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: of the Broncos and I was just in high school, 89 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: but I would quiz the Broncos players about stats from 90 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: other players on the team, and uh, that was like 91 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: my My uncle played obviously a long time. He's from 92 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: an hbc U in South Carolina State, but he played 93 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: thirteen years and had a much better career than me. 94 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: But that's how I got into it. And he's a 95 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: big trivia above. So when me and him talk, he's 96 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: always given me some trivia of nineteen whatever. You know. 97 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: That's really why I got into knowing it because I 98 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: just kind of followed how he had been as a 99 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: professional and that would be BORNI shavers that I could 100 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: pronounced that correctly. Yes, Barnean Chambers, he's uh. He actually 101 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: went on the coach after he retired in nineteen eighty five. 102 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: But he was actually when he got drafted when he 103 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: was in high school. He couldn't at the time, he 104 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: couldn't go play at anything but an HBCU, and so uh, 105 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: and and and that's the reason why he ended up 106 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: being the highest draft pick in nineteen seventy three in 107 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: the state of South Carolina. He went second round, thirty 108 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: sixth overall. So I did beat him on that part, 109 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: but uh, he had a much better career. Now, your 110 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: your uncle haven't had that history of historical Black college university. 111 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: He should be to you. You went to Vanderbilt, the 112 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: where you tempted or did you consider prior to going 113 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: to Vanderbilt. We know how prestigious of the school it 114 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: is that you uh initially think about going to hpc U, 115 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: and now that you've attended Vanderbilt, would you do the 116 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,799 Speaker 1: same thing, make the same decision again to go to Vanderbilt. 117 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: I gotta admit, man, I've gotta feeling you. I need 118 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: to get you a CNN. I like your question, love, 119 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: but uh, the one thing I would say, man, is 120 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: that if I had to do it all over again, 121 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: South Carolina State was interested and you're you're, you're so 122 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: much in my mind was creating this uh pathway for 123 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: myself that I sent my videos, as you know, out 124 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: to I was trying to be a broadcast journalism major. 125 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: So I sent him to the top ten. Broadcast journalism 126 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: schools are communication schools, and actually Vanderbilt wasn't one of those, 127 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: but I felt like I could create my own major 128 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: there and get a lot more into ship opportunities in Nashville. 129 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 1: So that was the reason why I kind of veered 130 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: away in terms of where I was sitting in my videos. 131 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: South Carolina State did actually offered me a scholarship, but 132 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: if I had to do it all over again, I 133 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: just say, look around, you know, whether it's Sean P. 134 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: Diddy Combs from Howard, whether it's Oprah Winfrey from Tennessee State, 135 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: you know, you can go around. I mean, there's a 136 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: lot of examples where the historically black colleges have still 137 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: yielded some of the best people um in our country, 138 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: and and that that's going all the way up through 139 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: two thousand twenty one. Uh Kampala Harris obviously being the 140 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: vice president. So I think we we have to kind 141 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: of keep those days in respect them in terms of 142 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: what we're expecting to get out of school. And sometimes 143 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: you can, you know, maybe straight too far away unnecessarily 144 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: now when you say straight too far away when you're 145 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: talking to the day, One of the things I always 146 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: enjoyed about you, even right now, if we talked about 147 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: what you're currently doing with your investments. I love to 148 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: hear when people make good decisions. So you're leaving high school, 149 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: you're sending out videos, you're doing this stuff for yourself, 150 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: you have the understanding of, particularly the type of career 151 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: path you're you're actually in right now. It was all intentional? 152 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: Was that organic? Did you have mentors that help you 153 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: learn to think intentionally? I was very serious about not 154 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: having my parents pay for school. And then along those lines, Uh, 155 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: you know, I worked hard, you know in terms of 156 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: just like you know, whether it's chopping wood, you know, 157 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,599 Speaker 1: in the backyard up to eleven o'clock at night and 158 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: having to get that fire, you know, just little stuff 159 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: like that gave me a purpose to the other things 160 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: and and in in my life, you know what I'm saying, 161 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: particularly when it came to being organized academically. Uh, academics 162 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: were very important to me, and that was really my 163 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: goal was to get into school a good academic institution. 164 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: And the only thing I was referencing earlier because of 165 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,599 Speaker 1: the rankings and this when I talk about h B 166 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: c U S A lot of times those schools may 167 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 1: not get ranked as I because of the amount of 168 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: research and funding that actually pushes up the schools rankings 169 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: for a lot of these schools around the country, as 170 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: you know, being a financed genius yourself. But the reason 171 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 1: I'm mentioned that is that sometimes you look at those 172 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: rankings and that can kind of deter you a little bit, 173 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: right in terms of like where you're going because of 174 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: the U. S News and World Report ranking. But when 175 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: you look at the end results, a lot of our 176 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: leaders now uh you know around the country still went 177 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: to including yourself as a Hall of Fame or another example, 178 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: still went to the historically black colleges. So that's more 179 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: of what I'm saying, like in the comparison ring or vain. 180 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: So now let's transition to football. Man, you come n 181 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: I would you to lavish all of this praise on you. Man, 182 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: I had already been with the Cardinals for a number 183 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: of years. We had never even got even close to 184 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: the playffs. We draft this guy in the second round 185 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: out of Vanderbilt. Next thing, you know, we end up 186 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Would you accept my my, my prey 187 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: in my adoration for you that you I appreciate you 188 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: best with you though, that's really out of story with 189 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: But you know, the thing I remember about that season 190 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 1: was a couple of different things and a couple of 191 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: guys that me and you you know, had a nice 192 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: run with, and that would be Kwami Lasseter and the 193 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: feign exceptions he had, the late Kwamie last God Rested Soul, 194 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: the feign exceptions in the in the in the final 195 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: game of the season, a couple of those plays, I 196 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: got beat on two and he had to pick it 197 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: up again the chargers um And then the other thing 198 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 1: I remember in that from that season was the two 199 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: in exceptions you had against Michael Irvan in the playoff 200 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: game UM. And and my my goal that year was 201 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: if I could make it get you to get action, 202 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: because a lot of times you wouldn't get action. So 203 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: when I got into the lineup, my only goal was 204 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: just play well enough where needs Canna get them to 205 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: throw at him. Because you know, I watched how you worked, 206 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: and and and and I remember just the sprints you 207 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 1: would do during practice, sometimes ten hundred and ten meters 208 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: sprints during the practices, and that's all in preparation for 209 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: the game, right, so on the game. If I was 210 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,599 Speaker 1: ever get out there were doing I told you this, 211 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: I said, believe me. I made sure they throw it 212 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: at you because the only way you can do that 213 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: is just hold up your end of the bargain at 214 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: least compete, and that way you could have a chance 215 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: to go out there and your playoff run that year, 216 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: to me was among the best buy a corner in 217 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: NFL history, because not only did you pick off against 218 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: Michael Urban twice, you came out the next week it 219 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: picked off this slant against Randy Boston end zone and 220 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: you took that back forty five yards. So again, even 221 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: in that game, hey, they're not gonna just keep throwing 222 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: at me. I gotta make sure. I just wanted you 223 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: to be able to get some action because I knew 224 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: if you did, you was you know, continue to cement 225 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: your place in NFL history, and our defense will be better. 226 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: You know. One of the things that I never thought about, Corey, 227 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: and I was thinking about it prior to our podcast, 228 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: was just what you talked about. What is it like, 229 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: as you said in Vanderbilt, you aren't at number one corner, 230 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 1: but and you explain what you wanted to accomplish and 231 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: get people to throw it my way. But what is 232 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: it like being on the other side of a number 233 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: one corner and getting the heat? What is that like? Mentally? 234 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: I think it's good. I think it's one of those 235 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: things it's easier to stay engaged, you know what I'm saying, 236 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: because a lot of times that corner it's it's normally 237 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: the technique lapses right in. This is the technique lapses 238 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: of you out there and of a sudden your footwork 239 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: is off for play because you know, you got a 240 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: little sloppy with maybe you know, not recognizing the split 241 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 1: of the receiver or the formation that they came out in. 242 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: So you gotta make And what I mean by I 243 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: want to make sure our our listeners know when I 244 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: say get him the throw at the knees, I'm talking 245 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: about one or two times in the game, all talking 246 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: about you know what I'm saying, like anybody going a game. 247 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: And remember I'm over there the first team games. I 248 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: didn't start that year. I was the nickel coming in 249 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: on nickel and playing special things. So I'm seeing this 250 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: every week or the other course. And I would say, 251 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: and I could understand the frustration that you were going 252 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: through because there'd be some games where you wouldn't even 253 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: get a ball. So I think from on the other 254 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: side of it, I think everybody should relish being in 255 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: that person because that means you got a chance to 256 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: make plays and show that you can't play, you know you. 257 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: And and so for me, I thought that being in 258 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: that position, I loved it, you know. And one thing 259 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 1: about me that I did not have a problem with 260 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: was getting beaten. And I think because if you understand 261 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 1: saying that you have some weaknesses, you're gonna get beaten. 262 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: And and so for me, I was able to I 263 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 1: was always able to respond competitively, which I think is 264 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: important after you've gotten beaten, because everybody says, have a 265 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: short memory. We're not gonna just forget about what happened. 266 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: You just gotta keep competing, you know what I'm saying, Like, 267 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: you're still gonna be mad about it and try to 268 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: correct it on in the film room. And Core has 269 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: a legend having that experience as a cornerback of being 270 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: able to still be competitive after being beaten. How how 271 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: have you used that principle in your everyday life? Man, 272 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: It's been huge because there's been so many times where 273 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: I might have had something happened bad in business, or 274 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: it might be something that happened bad in terms of uh, 275 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: you know, just any type of anything that you're doing 276 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: where you fail, and and that could be that could 277 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: be just something as simple as, uh, you know, something 278 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: you're trying to accomplish maybe, And I think that's the 279 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: thing that you know, football and life have so many 280 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: different parallels. And that's one of the big reasons I 281 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: tell a lot of kids, you know, make sure that 282 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: you go out and uh, if you play sports, the 283 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: goals shouldn't always be just to play sports, because you're 284 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: trying to get somewhere in sports. Uh. Sports kind of 285 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: to me provides a little bit of a balance in 286 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: terms of you know, what life is gonna bring at 287 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: you and everything that you do. Hey, Cory, we talked 288 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: about the second game. We know about the Cowboys. We 289 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: upset them in the playoffs in but we got to 290 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: the second game and I was matched up against Randy Moss. 291 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: You're matched up against Chris Carter, a good friend of mine. 292 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: Chris was miked up, man, what's going on? Because Chris 293 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: is a talker. Man over there talking to you. It 294 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: didn't matter whether he was miked up. He just happened 295 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: to be miked up. He's a talker. What was Chris 296 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: talking to you about? Corey? Righty? We're talking about it? Man? 297 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: You sorry? It was It was fun man, he was 298 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: you know, Chris had Chris. I think it was really 299 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: kind of more or less, you know, I felt like 300 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: it was kind of pretty pretty genuine. I mean I 301 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: was talking to some noise or whatever, but he wasn't 302 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: fan or much attention. What I was saying, like, man, 303 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: look at the score boys. But you know, the thing 304 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: I think he was trying to kind of get across 305 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: was like, really just the amount of respect you and 306 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: him had. He noticed that. You know, Okay, you're a 307 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: pretty competitive kid. You want to learn how to be 308 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: a pro? Hey, man, watching that guy over there is 309 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: doing follow him? You know what I'm saying kind of 310 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: like look at you know, those are some of the 311 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: different little tibits he was giving me during the game 312 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: and um and he always was said it was funny. 313 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: We were talking earlier about you know, football is not 314 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: who you are at you know what I'm saying is like, 315 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about like you're more than just football. 316 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: He was saying stuff like that, you know, So I 317 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: think he just was kind of trying to They were 318 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: in a comfortable position, they had a little bit of 319 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: game control on us, um I mean, and I think 320 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: he was just kind of giving up some uh tip 321 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: bits just for a young player. But I mean, I'll 322 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: tell you what man, I enjoyed playing against him because 323 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: for me, you know, I I again being a historian, 324 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: I love this game in Ohio State, and I felt 325 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: like he was one of the most acrobatic receivers that 326 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: I had seen playing, particularly just being able to contward 327 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: his body along the sidelines and stuff like that. So 328 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: it was an exiting matchup for me and Corey. A 329 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: couple of guys I think about that we played with 330 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: number one. We already talked about the late uh Qualmie Lasser, 331 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: but also uh we we would be remissed without bringing 332 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: up Pat Tilma's name. Yeah. One of the reasons because 333 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: when you came in, I saw humility, I saw a 334 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: work ethic, and I saw intelligence. But the physical attributes 335 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: you have to have to get in the lead. So 336 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: that's a giver. But you'll also your connection with your teammates. 337 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: You having that unique relationship with Pat Tillman that unique 338 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: relationship with the late Kwami Lasseter. Give me one or 339 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: two things that you learned from each of those guys. Well, 340 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: from Kuambi one of the things that I learned from 341 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: I guess you can really conclude both, and it was 342 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: something I always I took a lot of prode in too, 343 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: which is how good they were in terms of every down. 344 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: These guys were dominant players on defense that were relied 345 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: on um unbelievably enormously from our football team. And one 346 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: year Pat had thirty special teams tackles, another year Kwami 347 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: had twenty nine special teams tackles. We're talking about numbers 348 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: that were rival I mean, they should have been in 349 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl just on those numbers alone. So I 350 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: think that is one part. And any other thing is 351 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: Pat would read a book every day and the passion 352 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: that he lived with it was twenty seven years. I 353 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: think it was that he lived times three or four. 354 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: That's how he lived his life. Whatever you think you 355 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: might get accomplished in fifty or six exty years, Pat 356 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: got it done in his twenty seven years. I mean, 357 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: like we could be just something experiences be because we 358 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: were neighbors, right, and you wouldn't believe it, you know, 359 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: just he would. I mean, he would climb up anything, 360 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: and he was just he was just uh. I mean, 361 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: I got a lot of stories I can tell about 362 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: that we don't have enough time. And then just Kwami. 363 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: Kwami just had an infectious smile and an infectious energy, 364 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: and he had a swag. You know, his confidence. Nobody 365 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: was he never he really believed nobody was better than them. 366 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: And and that's something I take from them. And one 367 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: of the things you do. Look like annually on Father's Day, 368 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: I typically will get a call from you and when 369 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: to talk about transition. You've transitioned out of the league. 370 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: I've transitioned out of the league. Guys like you are 371 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: a part of what I would call the connection that 372 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: helps facilitate transition because transition coming and sometimes it comes 373 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: when we're not expecting. You and I both had good, 374 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: long careers, but still when you're transition at such a 375 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: young age I was, I think thirty eight. Uh, what 376 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: has transition been like for you? Cors real quick? Yeah, 377 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: just quickly. I mean I think it's just been it's been. 378 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: It's been great. I mean when I don't like I 379 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: think that word I don't like to use too often 380 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: because great can assume that everything goes great. But I'm 381 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: talking about great in terms of the things that you 382 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: consider our ups and downs and everything that you have 383 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: everything what we just kind of talked about, right, So 384 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: that's what's been great. Is it not necessarily be a 385 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: smooth and embracing that part of it. But I think overall, 386 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: in terms of focus, I had a very very uh 387 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: you know, fine tune focus on what I wanted to 388 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: do and how I wanted to get it accomplished. And 389 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: I began it before when I first started my business, 390 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: was my rookie year in NFL started my business and 391 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: I've run that business to this day, you know what 392 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: I mean. And so that was one of the things 393 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: that sometimes I think the transition has to be a 394 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: part of who you are, and it's not then has 395 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: to be something you create. So like if you have 396 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: a passion, I would encourage some of the players that 397 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: are currently playing. So many times people want to just 398 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: say you're a football player, You're NFL football player. That 399 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: defined you, you know, Like I tell people all the 400 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: time with the Knis Williams a Hall of Famer and 401 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: and and I can't even believe I was a teammate. 402 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: But that's not what I think about. First, what I 403 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: think about the needs. I think about you and some 404 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: of the messages you gave me and teammates, and you 405 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: did it in a way where you were never condescending. 406 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: You've always you always made it found a way which 407 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: I thought it was a challenge to be able to 408 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: talk through and two people and not talk down to them. 409 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: That's a gift that you have and that's something that 410 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: you kind of carried over in your transition. And for me, 411 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: it was all about I was always about, you know, 412 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: being able to do multiple things. I've always been a multitasker, 413 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: whether it was when I was playing in the NFL. 414 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: And if that's what you do, whatever, whoever you are 415 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: buying into that just as much as you're buying into 416 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: being a professional football player. And never let the NFL 417 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: be the only thing that people think about when they 418 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: say your name. That's the big thing that I would 419 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,959 Speaker 1: say for all the kids that are playing now, our 420 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: young man, you know, that's what they're gonna make Most 421 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: people are gonna make that be what you are signified 422 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: by the rest of your life. But you've got to 423 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: make it be about more some kind of way. In 424 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,959 Speaker 1: other words, that's not who you are exactly exactly as 425 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: we close out, here's a statement. When you hear Corey 426 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: shaves the black mail Kiper, and let it just give 427 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: a little backdrop to those that are listening. You do 428 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: the draft Nack Nasty magazine. You've been doing this when 429 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,479 Speaker 1: you got in our locker room. You this was your 430 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: passion right evaluating high school college athletes, Guys that in 431 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: the pros, you've been on the draft, you do broadcasting. 432 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: Now when somebody refers to you as the black mal Kiper, 433 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: Corey shaves thanks to what I look at that as 434 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: a compliment. You know, I feel like mel Kiper has 435 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: been tremendous. You know, what he's done for the NFL 436 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: has been tremendous. He's increased the visibility of the NFL Draft. 437 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: So I mean, I don't I don't necessarily think that. 438 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 1: I think everybody has we just talked about it, has 439 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: their own identity to a degree. You know, it's not 440 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: like I'm gonna you know, will be a good way 441 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: to put it. I'm not gonna go play, I'm not 442 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: gonna calling is the Black Moses, you know. But but 443 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: you know, I think I mean, to me, you're pretty close. 444 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: But but I mean, I guess I'm just gonna go 445 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: anywhere anywhere seas yeah, right, right, Well, you know what 446 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: I'm saying. But so I think mel Kiper has kind 447 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: of done somethings. I guess my point is he's kind 448 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: of made. He's kind of established his own lane there, 449 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, you get compared to somebody 450 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: like him, but I think it's just cool because that's 451 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 1: you know, he's a legend in his own right, and 452 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: it's all been because of his own perseverance and working 453 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: getting the things that he's done from just a sticktuitiveness 454 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: point of view. Final question, and this is for anybody 455 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: that's listening, Corey, you mal Kaiper does his homework. You 456 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: do your homework. Teams do their homework. Millions of dollars scouting. 457 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: Why are there so many misses when it comes down 458 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: the drafting player? You know, I feel like this is 459 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: what happens what we consider a miss now and is 460 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: the undrafted free agent right If a guy's undrafted our time, 461 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: Brady goes to the sixth round is considered a miss 462 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: and me and you've talked about this extensively, But back 463 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: in nineteen the draft was we had to collect the 464 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: bargain to degree. But the CBA comes into play, and 465 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: now the draft gets cut down and then the next year, 466 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: I think it goes from I think it was eight 467 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: rounds that year, next year is seven rounds. So the 468 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: pool of what you're choosing from now there's gonna be more. 469 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: You're gonna be more apt to make mistakes if you 470 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: don't have that twelve round draft aft. So I think 471 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: that's something that people oftentimes forget about, is that, you know, 472 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: there was a lot more round back in the day. 473 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: When my uncle came out in seventy three, it was 474 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: a twelve round draft. So you know, there was nothing 475 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 1: wrong with Johnny Johnny United, I believe was an eighteenth 476 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: round or whatever draft pick. I know he was a 477 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: pretty late draft pick. Uh. And we can go on 478 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 1: and on, you know with names of guys Deacon Jones, 479 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like go check out where 480 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: he was drafted. So those guys would have been considered 481 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: misss because they made it and they didn't get drafted 482 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: as high as their resume speaks for. In fact, you 483 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: can say, uh, number of teams missed on you, right, 484 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: you were in the third round, but your Hall of Famer. 485 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: All those teams wish they can do have a due 486 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: over on you, but you can't have do over. So 487 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: I think that that draft being condensed has opened up 488 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: room for more mrs. Final question, HPCU reference. You see 489 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: uh Eddie George to see state heads coach head coach, 490 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: you see Dion uh Prime coaching at Jackson State. What 491 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: what happens in Corey's mind or heart when he sees 492 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: guys going back to these HBCUs as his head coaches. 493 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: It's unbelievable, and I think they've done a fabulous job. 494 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: I like the way that they've constructed their staffs. I 495 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: think they've taken a very systemic approach in terms of 496 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: how they wanted to create the systems around them with 497 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: offensive defense. They understood what they were trying to do, 498 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: and they both had success pretty relatively early. It just 499 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: makes you feel good because there's other coaches around who've 500 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: been around that are going to get spotlight now because 501 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 1: of them. You know other coaches. I was just watching them. 502 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: It's o A C championship game last night. Between Albany 503 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: State Miles, and then this is gonna open up more 504 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: attention for a guy like Miles as head coach who's 505 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: made it to that championship game three years in a row. 506 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: This kind of two thousand and twenty pandemic shortened season. 507 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: So I think that what they're going to do is 508 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: bring more attention to the h b c U s 509 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: And I think it's well deserved because there's a lot 510 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: of good coaches and players in hbc U football. Uh 511 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: and man that there's a there's a lot of good 512 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: players that that that that people have overlooked and corin. 513 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: This has been an amazing podcast. I am so glad 514 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: that other people get a chance to me that rookie room. 515 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: Literally the things that you're doing now, your accomplishments, Manu, 516 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: kudos to you. Thank you so much for joining our 517 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: podcast and the best is yet to come. No, thank 518 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: you for I appreciate you so much for having that. 519 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: Just really just want everybody to know just everything you've 520 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: done for me, you know, just well beyond football the 521 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: football field. I remember one time you had me go 522 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: to see somebody. I forgot that the guy's name, and 523 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: I came back, I wrote down all the verses when 524 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: I we went to one are the those way back 525 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: in the late late nineties. Man, So you've been doing 526 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: a lot for me for a long time, well beyond 527 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: the football feeling. You know, my appreciation uh is probably 528 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 1: understated on this podcast. Thank you my brother for being 529 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: on with me. I appreciate it. No, thank you for 530 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: having me. Thanks for joining us on the NFL Players Podcast. 531 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 1: Don't forget to subscribe and follow at NFL Players Podcast 532 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,719 Speaker 1: on Instagram for the latest players stories and to connect 533 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: with the NFL Players community.