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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, A production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tracy B. Wilson and I'm Holly fry Back. At

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Speaker 1: the end of May, we talked about how we're probably

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Speaker 1: not going to go on a tour with a live

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Speaker 1: podcast this year because of the ongoing pandemic. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: tour my living room no yet, to an audience of cats. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We've had a couple of people ask if we have

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Speaker 1: considered doing like some kind of virtual live show, and uh,

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Speaker 1: we did have an incredibly brief conversation that was basically like,

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Speaker 1: what if we did a virtual thing, how would that work?

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Speaker 1: And then we both got so swamped with just keeping

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Speaker 1: the show going that we have not explored that further.

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Speaker 1: It's not impossible, but like it also can't really predict anything.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, the point the win is one of the

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Speaker 1: best things about touring really is talking to listeners, answering

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Speaker 1: questions about things people are curious about about the show,

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Speaker 1: and that kind of thing. So we put out a

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Speaker 1: call for listeners submitted questions for a Q and A

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Speaker 1: episode and here that episode is, Um, I pulled this, uh,

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Speaker 1: this together. We got a lot of questions, UM, and

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Speaker 1: in pulling it together, I paired down some of the

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Speaker 1: longer questions for length, and there were definitely cases where

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Speaker 1: we got a whole lot of similar questions about the

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Speaker 1: same thing, and I kind of merged those things together.

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Speaker 1: I hope I got everyone. I'm very sorry if I

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Speaker 1: missed anyone. As we go through these questions to be answered.

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Speaker 1: So first off, we get a lot of questions always,

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Speaker 1: and we got a lot of questions with this query

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Speaker 1: about our research process, how long it takes to make

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Speaker 1: and how detailed our notes are. And these questions came

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Speaker 1: from us, did people? I hope I pronounced all these

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Speaker 1: names properly Lydia, Alison, Andrew, Harma, Hack, Amberley, Asaki, Jin Elizabeth, Rose, Susan, Carol, Sarah, Lee, Molly, Zenia, Jessica,

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Speaker 1: Justine and gin So Tracy. Yeah. How do we do this? UM?

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Speaker 1: I think this is one that every Q and a

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Speaker 1: session that we do, someone asked something along the lines

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Speaker 1: of this UM, and we have similar but not identical processes.

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Speaker 1: I think each of us does a preliminary Google search.

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Speaker 1: Mine is is to just make sure is there going

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Speaker 1: to be enough to do this, because sometimes there's not

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Speaker 1: enough enough information to do that. And then I go

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Speaker 1: through a whole process of UM, a lot of searching

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Speaker 1: through Google, bookmarking things that are from UM Academic, incredible sources,

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff from j Store. Very lucky to

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Speaker 1: have some very good, robust J Store access. Uh. There

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Speaker 1: are requests from the library. With the pandemic happening, those

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Speaker 1: are only reachable right now if they're digitally available, which

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Speaker 1: is has been very handy that I'm married to a

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Speaker 1: university librarian. UM. When it comes to getting some of

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Speaker 1: these materials, I go through all of that. There's a

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Speaker 1: my gut that goes, wait, is that is there part

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Speaker 1: especially I think this happens to you too, Tracy, when

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Speaker 1: similar note, both Evie and Jackie asked where do you

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Speaker 1: all over the places. Right. We have a listener suggestion

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Speaker 1: just got like, ma'am what I was just never mind?

430
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Speaker 1: Never mind? Um So I kinda I kind of whipped out. Yeah,

431
00:24:54,320 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: um uh at like that story. So our next question

432
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: is what is your opinion on judging historical figures with

433
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: modern criteria, in other words, applying modern moral criteria to

434
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 1: historical figures or actions. For example, George Washington had slaves

435
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: and that whole Columbus issue. Are they simply products of

436
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,719
Speaker 1: their time? That is a question from Paul um So

437
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, like the judging is the right word?

438
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: Um like that that that word comes up a lot,

439
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: and it sort of has connotations that people are trying

440
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 1: to like retroactively shame and embarrass a public figure from

441
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: beyond the grave. Um. I think what really is important

442
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: is having like an honest reckoning with a person's life

443
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: and work and legacy and their impact on the world.

444
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: And a lot of times like that has not happened

445
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Speaker 1: with figures who's like people who have been memorialized with

446
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: the statute but whose own views were apol ng um.

447
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: And another important thing to keep in mind is that

448
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: there have always been people who were advocating against slavery.

449
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: For example, there were abolitionists from the start. They were

450
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: also products of their time. So trying to say that

451
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: somebody was a product of their time erases all the

452
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: other people who were also there, um who either were

453
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Speaker 1: the people who were enslaved or the people who were

454
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: uh fighting against slavery, and some of those were the

455
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: same people. It just it raises all of that and

456
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: sort of makes it seem like, uh, these ideas of

457
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Speaker 1: racism being wrong and slavery being wrong are like newly

458
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: invented concepts and they really aren't like that that they

459
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 1: were all there the whole time. Yeah. For me, I mean,

460
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: I think you hit on it. Where the word judging

461
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: is tricky, It's really about contextualizing, right, Like we have

462
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: to step away from kind of the really uh some

463
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: times overly a brilliant accounts of somebody's life if they

464
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: achieved something, often like any of the negative stuff kind

465
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: of has gotten pushed to the side, and many many

466
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: tellings of their story and we've it's more about like

467
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: cataloging and contextualizing all of the reality of of who

468
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: they were and what they did, and it it's um

469
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: it becomes difficult because I think we are, by nature

470
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: humans want to categorize things for their own ability to

471
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: parse files, right Like I want to be able to

472
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: say this person was a good person, this person was

473
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Speaker 1: a bad person. That helps me like order history and

474
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: and how it all shook out and and my view

475
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: of it. But the the irritating and marvelous thing about

476
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: humans is that it's all nuance, and good people often

477
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: have bad behaviors involved in their their life story, and

478
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: people that we might categorize as villainous also often have

479
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: done really wonderful things. Like there are very few people

480
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: that are just pure and good or evil. So it

481
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: does become about context and nuance at that point. So

482
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: the last, the last question that we have in this

483
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Speaker 1: first time before we take a quick break is from Emily,

484
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Speaker 1: and Emily asked, are there any episodes you wish you

485
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: could go back and rerecord with a different tone, use

486
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: of terminology, et cetera, given how much has changed culturally

487
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: since you started the show? I think artists said That

488
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: was from Emily. That answer is yes. Um My. My

489
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: biggest example on that is our episode on Alan L. Heart.

490
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: Alan L Heart fits into the umbrella of of trans history,

491
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: although he lived before the idea of transgender as an

492
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: identity had really evolved. Um. And when I worked on

493
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 1: that show, I thought I knew enough about trans issue

494
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: to like have the starting point. I got in touch

495
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: with someone I knew who was a trans woman, who

496
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: very graciously agreed to answer a couple of questions for

497
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: me because I wanted to make sure that I was

498
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: handling things thoughtfully and sensitively. Um And in hindsight, it

499
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: was like I didn't quite know enough to know which

500
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: questions to ask her. Um. And consequently, looking back on

501
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: that episode, I feel like it it reinforces some misperceptions,

502
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: like it puts way too much focus on Alan Hart's

503
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: body and on the idea of surgery, and like there's

504
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: just a lot more nuance that it could have gotten

505
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: into UM. And so that's one that if I had

506
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: a time machine, I would have handled some things differently, UM,

507
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: because it was like I didn't even know what I

508
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: didn't know going into it. I mean there are a million, right,

509
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: Like they're a million episodes. I would change update. I

510
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: always UM. We have talked about this so many times

511
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: on the show before, but I always kind of did

512
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: there when it comes to like what I go back,

513
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: for example and like change an episode where we had

514
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: a pronunciation error, UM, and part of me is like, oh,

515
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: of course, and part of me is like, you know what, though,

516
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: like I feel like in a way, uh, because neither

517
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Speaker 1: of us, I don't think would bill ourselves as a

518
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: history expert UM or a historian, but we are history enthusiasts,

519
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: and we research and we learn, and so I feel

520
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: like in some ways that is a record of our

521
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: own learning process. So I'm not I'm not as twitchy

522
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: about those things or as like fretful that we should

523
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: redo them as I may be used to be. And

524
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: if people want to judge me on something I mispronounced

525
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: five years ago, that's fine. I mean I can't I

526
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: can't undo that for anybody. And I certainly have made

527
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: so many mistakes in all parts of my life over

528
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: the years, but that's part of the record of like

529
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: grow oath and I in some ways doing the show

530
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: is what informs that because as we have discussed, UM,

531
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: I feel like in a way that would be rewriting

532
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: that moment of our learning process and discovery and making

533
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: it seem like we knew more than we did for

534
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: example in right. Yeah, that's actually something that I really

535
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: have uh appreciated observing an other podcasts that I've listened to, Like,

536
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: I have seen how other podcasts also evolve and how

537
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: they talk about different issues. UM, and so I think

538
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: I am incredibly critical of my own self and in

539
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: a way where I extend grace to other people. So

540
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: maybe that's to be my key takeaway from this conversation

541
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: is to extend some more grace to myself for mistakes

542
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: for years ago. Do you want to extend into grace

543
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: to a listener break? Yeah, let's have a quick listener

544
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: break for a sponsor. Okay, so we are going to

545
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: get back to our listeners submitted questions this next chunk

546
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: of stuff. Previously, before the break, we had a bunch

547
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: of stuff that was about like the show and topics

548
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: and how we do it now. We have a few

549
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: things that are more about us as hosts. And the

550
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: first came from a several people, um, including John, Luca,

551
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: Amy and Morgan, who said, throughout the shows you mentioned

552
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: a few things from the past. I'd be curious would

553
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: if you'd be willing to give us a brief synopsis

554
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: of where you grew up, the path you took, how

555
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: it led to YouTube being history podcast host. Did you

556
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: major in history in college? Um? We did not major

557
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: in history in college. I majored in literature with at

558
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: a school that had a big humanities component as like

559
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: the the core general education requirements, And I feel like

560
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: the humanities and literature are like first cousins to history

561
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: and has a lot of the same stuff about close

562
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: reading of texts and putting things in context and uh

563
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: analyzing sources from the past like that that all fits

564
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: together from my point of view really well. Yeah, I'm

565
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: majored in theater and film study in English with a

566
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: miner and dance. Um, so yeah, not so much with

567
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: the history. Um, I grew up all over. My dad

568
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: is Air Force, so I would probably say the formative

569
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: years were on the floor to panhandle. But I also

570
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: lived in Arizona. I lived in just outside Seattle. You know,

571
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: we scooted around. Yeah. I was in North Carolina my

572
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: whole entire life until moving to Atlanta about a year

573
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: before I got hired at How Stuff Works. UM, and

574
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: I had I had tried to use my literature degree

575
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: to get a job as a writer, and when I

576
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: was living in North Carolina, most of our writing jobs

577
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: were like business to business communication and I did not

578
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: find that satisfying. UM. So I went on kind of

579
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: a winding road, wound up in Atlanta, got hired at

580
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: How Stuff Works. Worked my way from being a staff

581
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: writer to the senior staff writer, and then I moved

582
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: into management UM. And then uh well, one day had

583
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: this kind of weird existential crisis where I was listening

584
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: to an episode of Stuff You Should Know while driving

585
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: on a highway and a gigantic truck drove by me

586
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: and threw up just a wall of water because it

587
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: was draining really hard, and I had this moment where

588
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: I could not see anything on the road and I

589
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,959
Speaker 1: was like, I might die, and my job is spreadsheets.

590
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: Uh and again, but I came back to work, and

591
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 1: I was like, look, uh, my boss conall, I would

592
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: really like to have some kind of creative project added

593
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: back into my workload. And then at some point after that,

594
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: he heard the two of us um just talk and

595
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: trash at an employee party and suggested that we have

596
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 1: a podcast. And that podcast it was a totally different

597
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: podcast from this one. It was called pop Stuff. It

598
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: was about pop culture. I feel like I remember seeing

599
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,959
Speaker 1: a question in the inbox about whether we might bring

600
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: that show back, and that's like a thing that you

601
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: and I have asked ourselves repeatedly. I don't I don't

602
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: know how we might make that work in our time

603
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: at this moment. Uh yeah, it would be tricky. I

604
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: mean I have the bad habit of all. I was going, yeah,

605
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: we'll make it work, and then I have like, uh

606
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: days where I'm like, I'm going to cry. I'm so

607
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: stressed there showing the next eight hours what's going on?

608
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: I can't possibly answer all these Yeah. So yeah, I

609
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: think somebody also noted that UM, like the RSS feed

610
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: for that show has either vanished or it doesn't work anymore.

611
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: UM and I I have conflicted feelings about trying to

612
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: restore that because I have learned a whole lot of

613
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: stuff the last seven years, and I said some appalling

614
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: ignorant crap on that show. So anyway, that's kind of

615
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: the how we got to hear um, which leads us

616
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: into the next question, which, uh, which I'll go ahead

617
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: and read because it's so related. And that was the

618
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: two of us know each other before the podcast, how

619
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: did you meet? And that was from Teresa and Jean. Yep, Yes,

620
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: we met in line for Lord of the Rings trilogy Tuesday. Yeah,

621
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: we were each going to watch all of the Lord

622
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: of the Rings movies in a row on the same

623
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: day out a movie theater. Yeah. Um, which was the case.

624
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: It was not a random meeting. We had mutual people. Um.

625
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: I look back on that and I'm still shocked that

626
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Speaker 1: I did it, because I'm not that big of a

627
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings person. I was in a costume,

628
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: but I I mean, you know, I will do all

629
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: of the nerdy pop culture things, so that must have

630
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: been the driver there. Yeah. Um, I would be a

631
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: costume if it were a Star Wars event. Yeah. We

632
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: kind of ran into each other periodically because we had

633
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 1: some of the same like some overlap in our social circles,

634
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: but we did not really get to know each other

635
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: that much more until we were working together. Yeah um,

636
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: and then also got to know each other a lot

637
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: more working together on podcasts. I have that weird memory

638
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: of us running into each other at the Renaissance Festival

639
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: in the tea room. Wow, I don't even remember that

640
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: you had we're still had a leg injury because you

641
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: still had your gin. You were still rehabbing. And I

642
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: just remember I had eaten like I hadn't eaten this much,

643
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: but it felt like I had eaten a dozen Scotch eggs.

644
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: It's just full and cackling, uh, and hanging out with

645
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: our mutual friend and and yeah, it's a weird. I

646
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: don't know why that imprinted on my brain so hard,

647
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: but here we are years later. I think what imprinted

648
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: on my brain is more when we were backstage at

649
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: the costume contest at Dragon con Um. I think that

650
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: was the year that you all did the Muppet Band,

651
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: but it might have been the year that you did

652
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: Nightmare for Christmas. No, it was Muppets, which those are

653
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: always very blurry for me. In case anybody does not know,

654
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: I used to do I used to make with a

655
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: bunch of my friends, like giant, crazy mascotty kind of

656
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: costumes a lot of the time, Like we would do

657
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: big storybook characters or whatever, and we did the Muppets

658
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 1: When You're in Tracy kind of did a ride along

659
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: and was like like writing about it for how stuff works. Yeah,

660
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: And I the thing is that, like anytime I'm in

661
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: that situation, like when you're in those costumes, a lot

662
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: of times, there's like this whole sensory deprivation thing, Like

663
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: it all becomes a blur. So I have no memory

664
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: of that. I mean, I know you were there, but

665
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: like in terms of specific moments, I could not conjure

666
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:57,959
Speaker 1: a thing. Um. So that's your renaissance tea room where

667
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,959
Speaker 1: is Yeah? Uh. The next question is have you guys

668
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: gotten created with any self care stuff while having so

669
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: much more time at home? Also, are you sick of

670
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: your own cooking? That was asked by Anna and Jamie

671
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: asked about self care in the context of researching difficult

672
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: material Um. The biggest thing for me in self care

673
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: and these pandemic times was moving an exercise bike into

674
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: my office. Um, because my husband is also home all

675
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: the time and we had our exercise stuff, and this

676
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: weird little corner in our attic space. Um that like

677
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: isn't really useful for anything, but it's just the right

678
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: size to like stick an exercise bike and stuff. But

679
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: it's adjacent to what is now his workspace, and I

680
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: felt like I couldn't exercise without bothering him at work.

681
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: That's fair, So moving an exercise bike down here was huge. Uh,

682
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: and like made it much more possible for me to exercise.

683
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: And I just feel a lot better when I exercise.

684
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean I don't. I don't know I

685
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: have said I don't know if I've said it on

686
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: this show before. Pandemic aside and our current um unrest

687
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: over ongoing racism in the US and around the world aside,

688
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: this has been a shockingly delightful time for me. Like,

689
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: I think because I was traveling so much, I had

690
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: gotten to the point where, like I would get in

691
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: from wherever I was on Saturday or Sunday, I would

692
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 1: spend all day Monday writing an episode we would record

693
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: Tuesday morning, and I would leave from the studio to

694
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: go to the airport and do that whole cycle over again.

695
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: And I had gotten to the point where that was

696
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: almost every week. So for it to then be like, no,

697
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: you get several months at home with your husband and

698
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: your cats and all of the things that you love

699
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: in your home. For me, that's been sort of like

700
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: a weird forced self care that I never would have

701
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: taken on my own. UM. So that's been really really

702
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: marvelous because I love my husband. I want to hang

703
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: out with them all the time. UM. I have joked

704
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: several times that this whole pandemic was uh invoked by

705
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: me every day when I left and said I don't

706
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: want to leave. I want to be with you all

707
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: the time. And now I get to be and it's great. UM.

708
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: I have not gotten tired of my own cooking. I

709
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: love to cook. You and Patrick also cook a lot.

710
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: We cook a lot. Our cooking has gotten a lot

711
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,959
Speaker 1: more adventurous, Like Patrick has learned to make several things

712
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: that he didn't know how to make before. Um. He

713
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: learned to make nioki, and he learned to make bagels. Um.

714
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: And we've also had to get really creative with stuff

715
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: because we've been a lot more intentionally focused on not

716
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: wasting food. So there have been a whole lot of

717
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: times when we look at what's in the fridge. And

718
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: then there's a step of like googling egg potato carrot

719
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: recipe what we get. There is a cap that does that,

720
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 1: where you check off the things that you have on hand,

721
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: and it'll be like, here are four things you can

722
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: make out of that. And I can't remember the name

723
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: of it. Now that sounds awesome. I'll have to look

724
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: it up. Jeff asked. Something I picked up on while

725
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: listening to your host picks is your change in delivery.

726
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: And some of these you have the NPR styles delivery

727
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: of soft spoken, relatively monotone. Now you use what I

728
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: assume as your natural speaking voices. Was this an intentional

729
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: shift or is it more of an evolution as you

730
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: get more comfortable as hosts? For me, both uh. And

731
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: also when you and I joined the show, we got

732
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: a lot of feedback that was very very very negative. Um,

733
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: and people described our voices as shrill and unlistenable. And

734
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: so I had this part of my mind that was like,

735
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: if I am trying to sound like a radio person,

736
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: and this is the response I get, how about I

737
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: just try to sound like myself, Because clearly trying to

738
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: sound like a radio person is not working um and

739
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: then also uh, at one point I intentionally did a

740
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: lot of self study about about podcasting and radio and

741
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: audio storytelling and that kind of stuff, and I tried

742
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: to incorporate the things that I learned into how I

743
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: record shows. Yeah. Um, there are a few different factors

744
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: in it. For me. One is that when we came

745
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,959
Speaker 1: onto the show, we were inheriting someone else's show. I

746
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: did not feel comfortable just being myself on someone else's

747
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: show for a while. That was part of it. Yeah. Two,

748
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: and this sounds really like sad and poor me, and

749
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: I just want you to know I'm fine, But I'm

750
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: just explaining this transition that Jef has heard. Um. As

751
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: Tracy mentioned, we got a lot of really really harsh

752
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: criticism at the beginning. I had literally picked a date

753
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: on my calendar that was several months out and wrote,

754
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: if you still hate it, you can quit. You're not

755
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: a quitter. You just know that you need something else.

756
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: Because it was miserable. And so there are some of

757
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: those where I'm just like white knuckling it through the

758
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: thing to like get it recorded and get it done,

759
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: because the whole thing became so stressful for a while. Um,

760
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: it is fine. I mean I I um, I have

761
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: said on the show before, right, like I am a

762
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: filthy potty mouth. So there's always like a section of

763
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: myself that I have to wall off, right Like we can't.

764
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: This is an educational show in some ways, and like

765
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: people listen with families, which is wonderful and hum It's

766
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: something I take to heart and take very seriously and

767
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: am very trying to be very respectful of. But it

768
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: is very funny when my friends are like that, that

769
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: is not the holly I know, because he didn't drop

770
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: any bombs in there at all, and none of that

771
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: was really crude. Um. So it it is also a

772
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: balance of that, right, like trying to to be genuine

773
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: and not be constant le code switching, but also be

774
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: conscious that my very natural speaking is uh is not

775
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: appropriate for all audiences. Yeah, it's I have some of

776
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: the same feelings. Our next question is from Mary Lee,

777
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 1: and it is I am dying to know if either

778
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: of you have ever taken the Jeopardy online test. If so,

779
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: have either of you been selected for an audition? If

780
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: you have auditioned, what happened next? I am the one

781
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: who has taken the Jeopardy test. I took it I

782
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: think twice, so long ago that it was not online yet.

783
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: You had to go to a place UM and take

784
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: the tests in a room with other people, and I

785
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 1: did not do well enough. There was like a second

786
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: phase where they had kind of like a mock Jeopardy game.

787
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: I think I did not do well enough to make

788
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: it to that UM, and then I I stopped pursuing

789
00:45:53,880 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: my dream of being on Jeopardy. Uh. My answer is no, UM.

790
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: I am one of those people that loves a lot

791
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: of trivia stuff, but if you actually put me on

792
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: the spot, I go completely cold and I'll be like,

793
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: I don't know kittens like I have no It's like

794
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 1: my brain just goes I'm sorry, man, we've locked this down.

795
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: You can't access it. So that was never going to

796
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: be a thing for me. I can yell the answers

797
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: from my couch like a yeah, like nobody's business. But

798
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: but I know that's not a place where I would thrive.

799
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: Our last question before we take another quick break is

800
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: I would love to know which period in history you

801
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: would each travel to if you could. And that was

802
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: from Kristen. That's also super obvious, right, I think I

803
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: think your answer might be, I mean it would be

804
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: a difficult decision between the Court of Louis the sixteenth

805
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: before things go really downhill, and or you know, Louis

806
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: Louis Catturs is also very fun. Again, these people are problematic,

807
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 1: but just from a design perspective, I gotta be there. Um.

808
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: And of course, you know Victorian England would be spectacular.

809
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm in it for the bustle gowns. Um. At this moment,

810
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm actually just I'm more curious about the future, Like

811
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: I wish I could see what everything is going to

812
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: look like in fifty or a hundred years from now. Um,

813
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: But a lot of that is influenced by what's happening

814
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: in the world right now. So it's I think if

815
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: I had a time machine, that's that's the direction I

816
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: would go at this moment. Let's take a quick break.

817
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: This last chunk of questions that we are going to answer,

818
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: um are just ones that I found to be more

819
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: on the fun and quirky side. And the first one

820
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: was from Emma, who asked if there was one historical

821
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: person you could go back in time and slap in

822
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 1: the face, who would it be? Was there anyone you covered.

823
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: He was just so annoying that you want to give

824
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: them a quick smack. Yes, I think I said it

825
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: Um on the episode we did about him, Thomas Day. Yeah,

826
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: Thomas Day was really so. If anybody doesn't remember, Thomas

827
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: Day was the man who um in the seventeen hundreds adopted,

828
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: essentially to girls from an orphanage, with the idea that

829
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: he would train them both to be what he thought

830
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: was the ideal wife, and then at the end of

831
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: the experiment, he would pick the best one to marry.

832
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: And he abused these poor girls terribly and was a

833
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: jerk of the highest order. That is the kindest thing

834
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: I could say about him, because I really wanted to

835
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: hit him. I agree with that assessment. I'm gonna ask

836
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: this next question because it was actually for you specifically,

837
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: Which is what inspired you, Holly to start sewing? And

838
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: where can people see your work? That was from Heather Um,

839
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: I don't really remember, because I started sewing when I

840
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: was three. I grew up in a house where like

841
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: my mom sewed and my siblings sewed, and so it

842
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: was kind of like in terms of family culture, it

843
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: was just there. Um, And like when I was three,

844
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: I asked my mom if I could just have some

845
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: fabric and a needle and thread. And she was a

846
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: little wary about giving a needle and thread to a

847
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: toddler essentially, but she's like, you can do it if

848
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: I can watch you use it. And I was like cool,

849
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: And I made this little stuffed fish out of like

850
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: this quintuple knit horrible polyester, which I think my dad

851
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: still has and I've been sewing ever since. Um, where

852
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: it really really took off for me was when I

853
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: was probably like thirteen and fourteen, and like, we did

854
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: not grow up with a ton of cash, but I

855
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: got really interested in fashion. I was like, I cannot

856
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: afford clothes, but I could probably make some cool stuff,

857
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: and so I started making most of my clothes at

858
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 1: that point. Um, like for my senior year of high school,

859
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: like as a gift to me, my mom gave me

860
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: her credit card and dropped me off at the fabric

861
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: store and said, get whatever you want up to this

862
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: dollar amount, like I trust you. And that was huge,

863
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: and so I just like bought a bunch of really

864
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: really lux fabrics to make myself like a little wardrobe,

865
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: which probably still was like at that point in time,

866
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,479
Speaker 1: you know, a fraction of what a normal person would

867
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 1: spend on their school close for the year. But and

868
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: it's just never ended from there. Um. As for where

869
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: you can see my work, I have a sewing blog,

870
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: but I'm not awesome at keeping up with it, which

871
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: is um at so s ew dash nerdy dot com. Uh,

872
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: and it's tutorials of stuff I've made. Uh if you

873
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 1: follow that on Twitter. I'm not really active on Facebook

874
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: at this point, but on Twitter I post a little

875
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: bit more, but usually it's, um, I'm really to fabric

876
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: design right now. So um it's usually like me designing

877
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 1: fabrics and I'll post a picture of something I'm working

878
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,439
Speaker 1: on periodically. But yeah, it was because I wanted things

879
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: I couldn't have, and so I was like, well, I

880
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: will make them. So I kind of got to see, uh,

881
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: sewing as as almost an art of conjuring, because it

882
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 1: was how to get things I wanted that I would

883
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: not normally have access to. That's cool. Uh so uh.

884
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: The next question is from Evan and he says, what

885
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: is your favorite nonfiction history book. I had a memoir

886
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: which I I feel like it counts because it's about

887
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,439
Speaker 1: a historical person that's Frankie Manning's memoir which is called

888
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: Frankie Manning Ambassador of Lindy Hop And I really think

889
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: that is like my favorite book that I have read

890
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: while working on the show. I um mind dovetails on

891
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: my last answer sort of. It is a book that

892
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: if you listen to address they have talked about this

893
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: book before. It's The Corset, a cultural history steel and

894
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: it's just a really cool examination of course a tree

895
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: from way way, way way way back to modern times

896
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: and how you know a foundation garment has shifted in

897
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 1: shape and also been misunderstood culturally and also become fetishized

898
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: in some ways. And it's just a really interesting examination

899
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: of how we interact intellectually with clothing and specifically with

900
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: underclothing and the taboo of it. Um and I just

901
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: I love that book. Cool. Next we have from Shelley,

902
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: what are your favorite alternate history or historical fiction books,

903
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: TV shows, podcast, movies, etcetera. For history nerds. I really

904
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: love all of Mary Robinett Coal's books. She's been a

905
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: guest on the show before, and uh like those those

906
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: are a long time favorite of mine. Um and it

907
00:52:56,239 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: suddenly all other writers went out of my head. Um uh,

908
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: I'm just laughing because that happens to me all the time. Well,

909
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: and we also in our recording session today, we put

910
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: this one first so our brains would still be working

911
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: the best, and so that's just evidence of how quickly

912
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: the brain is, like, no, I'm done. I really really

913
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: love it's a film. I really love Sofia Coppola's Marie Antoinette.

914
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: It's so fun and it's it's largely based on Antonia

915
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: Fraser's biography of Marie Antoinette, which is I mean, there's

916
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: a lot of of it's a lot more fact than

917
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: fiction in many ways, but the movie plays with it

918
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: in a way like there is a moment where you

919
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: see a shot of converse high tops in the shot,

920
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: so obviously like they're not being super anal retentive about

921
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 1: sticking to historical accuracy. And I just love it. It's

922
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: like a feast for the eyes and it's really fun

923
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: and an examination of Marie Antoinette from an angle that

924
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: she hadn't had for a long time. Um, you know,

925
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: it kind of opened my eyes in some ways about

926
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: really thinking about historical figures from multiple angles and not

927
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: just the broad brush strokes that we often get with them. Um, yeah,

928
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: I'll go with that for our next question. It's from

929
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: page and page as Has doing the podcast change the

930
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: way you watch historical movies or television shows, for instance?

931
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 1: Has it enhanced your enjoyment of it with a greater

932
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: understanding of context because you know so much, or does

933
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: it make it frustrating when things aren't quite right because

934
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: you know so much. There's a lot of stuff in

935
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: movies and books and TV shows and stuff like that

936
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: I don't care about. I don't care if like people's

937
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: hairstyle is not period accurate. I don't care if like

938
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: minor details are shifted. I do care when historical fiction

939
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: presents things in a way that our damaging, Like like

940
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: if a TV show is portraying indigenous people in a

941
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: way that reinforces racist stereotypes, Like that's the kind of

942
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: stuff that I will get really frustrated about. Um when

943
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: it comes to like whether the battle really happened on

944
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: this day or that day, like I super do not care. Um. Conversely, though, wow,

945
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: do I care about the Spanish moss in the trees

946
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: an outlander when that's supposed to be happening in western

947
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: North Carolina? Like that? Is just my biggest pet peeve

948
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 1: of that sort of nature, which is not really about history.

949
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: It's more about North Carolina geography, which the Outlander TV

950
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: show is very confused about. Yeah, I don't. I honestly

951
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: think I'm more relaxed about it than I ever used

952
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: to be. Um. You know, I kind of came into

953
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: history through clothes in many ways, and so for a

954
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: long time it would drive me bananas when there would

955
00:55:55,719 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: be like historical issues with costumes in film. Um, I

956
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: don't really feel that way anymore. And part of it

957
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: is because when you make content for a while, you

958
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: just realize that everybody's just trying to make content. No

959
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,720
Speaker 1: one is like I'm gonna flip the bird to history

960
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do whatever I want. Like they're they're

961
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: trying to do their best, and they may or may

962
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: not make missteps. Um, but it's it's I can't think

963
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: of a time where unless they're really trying to rewrite

964
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 1: history in a way as Tracy mentioned that is damaging.

965
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: They're just trying to tell their story. I'm much more

966
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: interested in whether it's telling a good story than about whether,

967
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: like they have the year correct on the day that

968
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 1: the pivotal historic moment happened. Yeah, I mean I do.

969
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: There is one thing and I don't even um fault it.

970
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: And I love this movie, but there is one moment

971
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: in a historical film that I always chuckle at because

972
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: it it's shifts things in a way for dramatic effect

973
00:56:55,719 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: that never ever happened, and it's young Victoria. Uh. And

974
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: I love that film. Let me be very clear, I

975
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: really love that film. Um, there is a moment at

976
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: the end where Albert takes a bullet Victoria that didn't happen.

977
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 1: There was an attempt on her life, but he did

978
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: not get hit. Um. It was a very flawed and

979
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: bungled attempt in the first place. Uh. And so that's

980
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: just one of those things that I'm always like, he

981
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: didn't have to do. This is good on its own.

982
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: But again, I still love the movie without reservation. So

983
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: there you go, yeah, Katie. And similarly, Kathleen asked a

984
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: question which is, if you have the opportunity to sit

985
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: down and have dinner with one historical figure from one

986
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: of your episodes, who would it be and why. My

987
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: answer is, I would love to go to Edna St.

988
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: Vincent Malay's house and have dinner and cocktails with her

989
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: by their outdoor pool, because I love her and that

990
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,959
Speaker 1: that would just be the most beautiful, wondrous day. I'm

991
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: I wonder if I will surprise you with this answer today.

992
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: I think you've heard me say this answer before. But um,

993
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: like most people would expect me to say Queen Victoria

994
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: right now. But what I'm gonna say is Charles Adams.

995
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's a little history crush for me. Yeah,

996
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: when we did that episode, I think you said something similar. Um,

997
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: I was expecting you to say Vincent Price. Oh well,

998
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: of course, I mean, of course, of course, of course

999
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: I would just talk about art with him forever. But yeah,

1000
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: I think I'd flirt with Charles Adams. Would be fun.

1001
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: We'll crush on him, can't help it. Um, this is

1002
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: a question from a Katie, not the same Katie as

1003
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: the last question. Uh Anna and Tyler also asked a

1004
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: very similar question, which was if each of you had

1005
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: to pick the next next destination for a stuff you

1006
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: missed in history class trip, where would it be. Uh,

1007
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: we're still hoping that we will go to Italy, but

1008
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: we don't know what's going to happen. We're we're keeping

1009
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: an eye on the situation. Yeah, um, but where would

1010
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: you pick? Tracy? Well, we had talked about what if

1011
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: we went to Japan, which is super interesting to me.

1012
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: I would also really like if we had like a

1013
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: South America somewhere trip um, because there's just so much

1014
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: uh so much that overlaps with some some of our

1015
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: more interesting episodes, like in that part of the world,

1016
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: and it's it's a place that I've never been. Um,

1017
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: what do you think? Uh, you know, it's a little

1018
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: bit pat from an American tourist perspective, but I would

1019
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: really love to go to Egypt in the Nile Valley.

1020
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, um, yeah, that would be spectacular in my book. Um,

1021
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: I mean I want to go to Paris once a year,

1022
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: but that's not a destination. So we got this question

1023
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: from Lizzie and a similar one from val Alery, which

1024
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: is whitchcrafting based episodes. Were your favorites? Which crafts would

1025
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: you like to do an episode on? And of the

1026
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: episodes we've done so far, which actual things would you

1027
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: get into yourself? Similarly, what historical stuff have you baked

1028
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: or so or made after researching it for the show

1029
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: a super long time ago. I intended to make beer

1030
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: from an Egyptian recipe that never happened, did not get

1031
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: around to do it. Um. I used to knit, and

1032
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: I feel that we did a knitting episode right, but yeah,

1033
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: um yeah. The irony there is that I'm not a knitter.

1034
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: I know how to knit, Uh, it's not it doesn't

1035
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: have the same appeal for me as sewing. Like I

1036
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: remember my grandmother taught me to knit, and I remember

1037
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: at one point looking at her and saying, I can

1038
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: make three gowns in the time it takes me to

1039
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: make this one thing, and she was like, yeah, that's knitting,

1040
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is not for me. Um. Again,

1041
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: it was all about wanting more clothes. But I loved

1042
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: researching that episode and it was super duper fun. Um.

1043
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of anything. Uh, if we've baked

1044
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: or sewn things. I mean I've definitely made clothes that

1045
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: we're kind of historically inspired after um talking about things,

1046
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: but none of them were like historically accurate clothes. It

1047
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: was more like, oh, what I really want, like right now,

1048
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: I want to make a split skirt of Victorian split skirt,

1049
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: like the kind you would make for wearing for riding

1050
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:32,959
Speaker 1: a bicycle, but you can button it down the front

1051
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: and it looks like you're just wearing a regular skirt. Um.

1052
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: I just want one of those for daywear that's not

1053
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: even for like costuming or like historical events, literally just

1054
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: to like exist in the world because I think they're cute. Um. Yeah,

1055
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: I feel like there's got to be a baking thing.

1056
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: I'm not remembering, but well, we had all of the

1057
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: the Ann Burn interviews. Yeah, I've definitely baked from her

1058
01:01:54,800 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: books for sure. For Shore, I still say the caramel

1059
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: sauce in her I think it's her cake book is

1060
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: like transcendental, Like it's the best, It's so good, it's

1061
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: so good. Uh. Who is your favorite villain figure from history?

1062
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: This is uh from our listener Daria, and she says

1063
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: minds Catherine de Medici. Um. I have the division between

1064
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: like kind of um like villainous figures from history that

1065
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: I have a weird affection for, and then like what

1066
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: actually I think is the worst villain. White supremacy is

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Speaker 1: the worst villain. But I don't I don't love like

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Speaker 1: I would not characterize white supremacy is my favorite thing. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I have to acknowledge Queen Victoria. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think she saw herself as a villainous, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think she was always cognizant of the ways

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Speaker 1: in which things that were going on in her name

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Speaker 1: and the decision she was making were in fact very

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Speaker 1: bad for people and more harmful. But I think we

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Speaker 1: have to recognize that whole imperialism thing is very bad.

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Speaker 1: I'm just getting that out of the way to acknowledge that.

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Speaker 1: I know my favor is very complicated. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: with Victor Lustig was the con man who, among other things,

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Speaker 1: sold the Eiffel Tower. Yeah, he did my own. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He's just fun. He's a gad you know, it seems

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Speaker 1: it seems like an interesting person to roll with. UM.

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Speaker 1: My answer is, um, kind of strange. This is not

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Speaker 1: something that I feel like somebody that I feel like

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Speaker 1: we described as a villain. Um. We described him more

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Speaker 1: as an entrepreneur. But like Frederick Tudor sold people on

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Speaker 1: the idea that they people should pay him money for

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01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: ice cut out of ponds in Massachusetts, Like he made

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Speaker 1: that into a product. And then where he becomes villainous

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Speaker 1: is that like he sold most of his product to

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Speaker 1: slave societies and English colonial ventures, and so it was

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Speaker 1: like he made a whole lot of money off of this,

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Speaker 1: um and like now he's often described as like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: what a great what a great creative mind to come

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Speaker 1: up with this whole ice trade. Uh, And really it's

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01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: like there's a whole seedy underbelly to all that. Jordans

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Speaker 1: asked what historical period would you like to explore in

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Speaker 1: a video game? What events would you like to see,

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Speaker 1: and what historic figures would you like to meet? Um.

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Speaker 1: I've been playing a lot of Assassin's Creed Odyssey and

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Speaker 1: that has been really fun. And they have announced the

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Speaker 1: next Assassin's Creed Valhalla, which also sounds interesting and may

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Speaker 1: preclude my actual answer, which is that I would like

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01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: an Assassin's Creed game that is about the Saga era

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Speaker 1: of Iceland. Um. But I bet if I were making

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01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: decisions of the Assassin's Creed creative team, that would seem

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Speaker 1: too similar to one about Vikings. I'm trying to think,

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Speaker 1: because really, if I'm playing a video game that is

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Speaker 1: historically based, what I want is really good visuals of

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01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: a whole lot of opulence. Um. So you could probably

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Speaker 1: drop me in like any palace any period, just as

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01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: long as there's a lot of guilt things, um, and

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Speaker 1: maybe a lot of good wrestling dresses, that'd be great. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm I would be open for almost anything. At that point,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to be really beautiful. I'm gonna read

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Speaker 1: Caroline's question because it's about Holly, and Caroline says, one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite things is Holly's laughter. It always brightens

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Speaker 1: my day and makes me laugh too. Anyway, could you

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Speaker 1: do a segment or a whole show with some segments

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Speaker 1: of Holly's best laugh clips. This cracks me up, and

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Speaker 1: I love this idea. Oh, Caroline, nobody actually wants that.

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Speaker 1: I promise we would just we would email it to

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Speaker 1: Caroline personally. Right, there are people that hey, my laugh

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Speaker 1: as well. Um. One of the things that this reminded

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Speaker 1: me of like that there have been times that I

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Speaker 1: have wished that we created an archive of funny things

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Speaker 1: that happened in the studio as they happened, which is

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Speaker 1: just not a thing that we have ever done. Um,

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Speaker 1: but it means that we've just lost some cookie studio

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Speaker 1: moments to like the the realm of deleted audio files. Um,

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Speaker 1: Like the time that I'm not trying to be funny.

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01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 1: It just came out of my mouth wrong. I said,

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Speaker 1: Napoleon bona farte, And then we laughed for a very

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Speaker 1: long time. And then I laughed for a whole lot longer.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember how long it took me to just

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Speaker 1: get it together. I kept trying to do the next

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Speaker 1: piece of the podcast and then falling totally part apart again. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I don't think we we don't actually have a file

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Speaker 1: of funny laughing moments that sometimes, Yeah, sometimes I wish

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Speaker 1: we did have, like, uh, an archive of hilarious outtakes. Maybe.

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Speaker 1: I mean I laugh at everything, whether it's hilarious or not. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it just is what it is. But yes, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: that would be the bane of someone's existence, and they

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Speaker 1: would It would be like their man cherry and candidate trigger.

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Speaker 1: Nobody wants to see the maddest Uh. This next one

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Speaker 1: kind of cracks me up. It's from Emily, who asked

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Speaker 1: what are your favorite ways to eat pickles? Fried sper slices, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: I left this question for last because I love this

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Speaker 1: question and I would eat pickles anyway any potential way

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Speaker 1: that pickles exist, I would eat them as long as

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Speaker 1: it's not pickled ginger, because while I love pickles and

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Speaker 1: I love ginger, for some reason, I don't enjoy pickled

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Speaker 1: ginger at all. We are diametrically opposed on this issue.

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Speaker 1: This is also why Patrick and I are good couple,

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Speaker 1: because whenever we are out to dinner somewhere and pickle

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Speaker 1: ginger is part of the thing, I can just put

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Speaker 1: all of mine directly on his plate and he will

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Speaker 1: be happy as a clam. I do not care for pickles,

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Speaker 1: but I love pickled ginger. There is one way I

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Speaker 1: will eat a pickle, and it is on that crazy

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Speaker 1: sandwich that was popular on Twitter for a minute, which

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Speaker 1: is peanut butter bacon, which, by the way, that was

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Speaker 1: my go to sandwich as a kid for years and years,

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Speaker 1: so it was always a my lunchbox peanut butter and bacon.

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Speaker 1: But this is peanut butter and bacon and mayonnaise and pickles,

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01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 1: and it sounds vile, and it goes on sour dough bread.

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Speaker 1: It's freakishly delicious. And I have pickles in that context,

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Speaker 1: but normally they all go on to Brian's plate because

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Speaker 1: I wanted. I love them, love them. Um, Okay, this

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Speaker 1: episode went on for a lot longer than I thought

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Speaker 1: in my head it was going to when I pulled

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Speaker 1: all these questions together, so we don't have listener mail today. UM.

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Speaker 1: I did want to note that Mike, Beth, Neil, and

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Speaker 1: Matilda all asked some variety of question about how we

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Speaker 1: would change the way history is taught in schools or

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Speaker 1: what topics we would want to see in the curriculum,

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Speaker 1: and like we've kind of talked about that in the past,

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Speaker 1: but I honestly just don't want to tell teachers how

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Speaker 1: to do their jobs here because we're not teachers. We

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Speaker 1: don't have backgrounds in teaching or in pedagogy. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: I also wanted to thank dear Dret, Neil, Angela, Lisa

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Speaker 1: and Rachel, Devon, Urie and Linda who all asked questions

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Speaker 1: that we were not able to get to either because

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Speaker 1: like we just I didn't feel like we had a

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Speaker 1: great answer to them or um for time. Obviously time

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Speaker 1: has gone on for a bit. UM. So here's our

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Speaker 1: longer than usual Q and A episode UM for folks.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you everyone who wrote in

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Speaker 1: with questions. I hope I did not miss anybody, and

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Speaker 1: going through them to compile them for the episode. And

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Speaker 1: of course we are still going to have listener mail

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01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: segments uh in our episodes going forward. So if you

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Speaker 1: want to send us a question about anything or a

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Speaker 1: history podcast at I heart radio dot com and we're

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