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Speaker 4: My name is Ty Hildebrandt, my co host Dan Rubinstein.

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Speaker 4: first round of the college football playoffs. But otherwise, if

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Speaker 4: running some longer form conversations. We just we can't do

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Speaker 4: I'm excited for this interview today with Matt Fortuna. So,

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Speaker 4: for those who aren't familiar, Matt is a college football reporter.

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Speaker 4: He has been at a bunch of big places, notably

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Speaker 4: The Inside Zone, which is a college football newsletter that

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Speaker 4: you could find at Inside Zone mf dot com. He

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Speaker 4: also does The Independent, which is a Notre Dame podcast

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Speaker 4: with our friend Pete Sampson of The Athletic, and he's

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Speaker 4: Matt's been on the ground doing the hard work with

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Speaker 1: For more information.

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Speaker 4: Let's run the interview, joining me now for a little

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Speaker 4: Lord knows, there's nothing going on around the world of

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Speaker 4: college football. I want to welcome in Matt for Tuna

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Speaker 4: to the soliverbel Sir, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: How are you busy? But great?

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Speaker 3: The most wonderful time of the year unless you're in

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Speaker 4: So for those that aren't familiar, Matt runs the Inside

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Speaker 4: Zone newsletter takes inside the world of college football as

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Speaker 4: only he knows how. As it says on the masthead

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Speaker 4: I know you break news. I know you've broken news

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Speaker 3: And we all have fun with search firms, making fun

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Speaker 2: And what's not.

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Speaker 3: As it relates to Matt Campbell, Matt Campbell only recently

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Speaker 3: I mean I was told Colonne Sataki was contacting staff,

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Speaker 3: money at Penn State. You're in the Big ten, so

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Speaker 3: you have a seat at the table as far as

441
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Speaker 3: the future of college athletics are concerned.

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Speaker 2: And you know, he's.

443
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Speaker 3: Also a guy some more with I mean, I don't

444
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Speaker 3: want to get too detailed here, however, think about why

445
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 3: he lost his starting quarterback on the eve of the season, right,

446
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Speaker 3: and how he has to recruit to that with every

447
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Speaker 3: single guy. I mean, there are we talk about academic

448
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 3: restrictions at some place, there are some serious restrictions among

449
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Speaker 3: the pool of players that you could possibly recruit to

450
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Speaker 3: come to YU. And I think if you're a football coach,

451
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Speaker 3: and a football coach who's been in one place like

452
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 3: that for more than a decade, now, you're wondering to yourself,

453
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Speaker 3: what can I do with all the toys I have

454
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Speaker 3: at my disposal here at a place like Penn State

455
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Speaker 3: where they fill up a one hundred and seven thousand

456
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Speaker 3: seat stadium every single week no matter how good or

457
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Speaker 3: bad they are.

458
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Speaker 4: So they end up on Matt Campbell. Whether or not

459
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Speaker 4: that higher falls off the back of a truck, I

460
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Speaker 4: guess is a conversation for another day. But they do

461
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Speaker 4: end up with Campbell at long last, who I think

462
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Speaker 4: we would agree is a pretty good fit at Penn State.

463
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Speaker 4: One of the other interesting nuggets that you reported was

464
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Speaker 4: the war chest that they are giving him, both in

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Speaker 4: terms of anil spend in terms of assistant coaching spend.

466
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Speaker 4: When you and I texted about it, this is the

467
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Speaker 4: thing that you mentioned. I think he said it was

468
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Speaker 4: like an eye watering number that they are throwing here

469
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Speaker 4: into the contract to try and get Campbell not only

470
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Speaker 4: what he wants, but maybe Penn State too, wherever Paccraft

471
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Speaker 4: thinks they should be. Did I see thirty million in

472
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Speaker 4: nil spend and seventeen million for the assistant pool something

473
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Speaker 4: like that.

474
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Speaker 2: Matt, Yeah, No, that's accurate.

475
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Speaker 3: And you know what's funny about it is Campbell re

476
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Speaker 3: upped with Iowa State this summer. If I'm not mistaken,

477
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Speaker 3: and I remember when the terms came out, I tweeted

478
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Speaker 3: something to the effect of, like, there's not a greater

479
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 3: bargain in college sports than Matt Campbell at five million

480
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Speaker 3: dollars a year. Not that that's not a lot of money,

481
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Speaker 3: but they're guys making more than twice as much, you know,

482
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Speaker 3: Matt Rule's case, who probably haven't done as good of

483
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Speaker 3: a job as Matt Campbell has done at Iowa State.

484
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Speaker 3: So I don't think he's a guy who was like driven.

485
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Speaker 2: Or motivated by money.

486
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Speaker 4: Not.

487
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Speaker 2: I mean, we all are, we're humans.

488
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Speaker 3: But you know, he's turned down interest from bigger jobs

489
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Speaker 3: that would have paid him a lot more money. In

490
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Speaker 3: the past and the irony being like he finally hires

491
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Speaker 3: a full time agent and the agent knew he had

492
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Speaker 3: all the leverage in this case because Penn State was,

493
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Speaker 3: you know, desperate, and you know, I think without an agent,

494
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Speaker 3: not that you'd ever enter a situation like that. This

495
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Speaker 3: deal probably gets on Thursday night and said Friday night.

496
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Speaker 3: I know they were negotiating over the fire points over

497
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Speaker 3: about a twenty four hour span, but this is you know,

498
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Speaker 3: Penn State is all in. I mean they were all

499
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Speaker 3: in this year. They paid Jim Knowles three million dollars

500
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Speaker 3: to become their defense coordinator, which was unheard of. They

501
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 3: are all in when it comes to staff pay, and

502
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Speaker 3: they're all in on Anil. And I think Craft always,

503
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Speaker 3: from my understanding, Craft always wanted to be all in

504
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Speaker 3: on Anil. And James Franklin.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

506
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Speaker 3: I don't know if people who don't follow Penn State

507
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Speaker 3: on a regular basis can appreciate just how old school

508
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Speaker 3: James Franklin was sometimes to his own detriment. I mean,

509
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Speaker 3: there were there were some big time players that they

510
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Speaker 3: could have been in the mix for this offseason transfer

511
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Speaker 3: wise who went elsewhere because James Franklin was not aggressive

512
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Speaker 3: enough because Sames Franklin did not want to disrupt locker

513
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Speaker 3: room chemistry. And in some ways that's like quaint and

514
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Speaker 3: out of date. In other ways it's admirable to each

515
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Speaker 3: his own. But at the end of the day, I think,

516
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 3: now it's like, nope, we're going to win a championship.

517
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Speaker 3: This is how you win a championship in the year

518
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, Matt Campbell, here's what we're going to

519
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Speaker 3: give you to help you pursue those championship goals.

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Speaker 4: Well, even some of that emerged in the leaked audio. Yes,

521
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Speaker 4: and Dan and I talked about it this week, how

522
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Speaker 4: Franklin had more of a policy of paying everybody on

523
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Speaker 4: the roster, whereas there are obviously other theories out there

524
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Speaker 4: for how you should a lot those funds.

525
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Speaker 3: So I don't know if this is out there or not,

526
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Speaker 3: but you know, I'll say it now, one of those

527
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Speaker 3: people they probably could have gotten had they been as

528
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Speaker 3: aggressive as others were.

529
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Speaker 2: Dylan Daneman.

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Speaker 3: What did Dylan do to Penn State and effectively the

531
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Speaker 3: James Franklin era.

532
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Speaker 2: He ended it.

533
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Speaker 1: He ended it.

534
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's irony in that, is there?

535
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Speaker 4: Not?

536
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Speaker 3: I thought, if you could get past some of the

537
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 3: eye popping language of the craft audio from a purely

538
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Speaker 3: like Newsy standpoint, I thought it was pretty funny to

539
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 3: hear the quiet part out loud about how they essentially

540
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 3: tampered with Carnell Tate and how Miami is currently tampering

541
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Speaker 3: with Tony Rojas.

542
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: Again.

543
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Speaker 3: People all college football day to day will not be

544
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Speaker 3: surprised to hear any of this, But to hear, even

545
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Speaker 3: if it was illegally recorded, to hear someone in that

546
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 3: seat say that out loud in front of his player

547
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 3: pretty interesting in my mind. So we'll see where such

548
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 3: pursuits go under this coaching regime, because it's certainly going

549
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 3: to look different, and it's got to look different, right,

550
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Speaker 3: I mean, Sinny Day came and went and you had

551
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Speaker 3: a two man recruiting class.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, Well, let me close the book on

553
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Speaker 4: the Penn State thing here with just one more question.

554
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Speaker 1: Where does it go from here?

555
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Speaker 4: And how do you think just picture it looks different

556
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 4: as compared to the way it has looked. Obviously, a

557
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 4: new personality, different vision for how the program should be built,

558
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 4: if only on the player personnel side, roster management side

559
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 4: of things, as you know, we're kind of discussing a

560
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 4: little bit here, but what does Matt Campbell, in your view,

561
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 4: give Penn State that Penn State did not have under

562
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Speaker 4: James Franklin.

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Speaker 3: I think in the most elementary form of comparison, he

564
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 3: wins big games, which James Franklin didn't.

565
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Speaker 2: And that's not everything.

566
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Speaker 3: You got to take care of your business, and James

567
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Speaker 3: Franklin was really good at that, and that should be

568
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 3: not taken for granted. But Matt Campbell beat Texas to

569
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Speaker 3: out of the last five times he played them in

570
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Speaker 3: the Big Twelve, beat Oklahoma to out of the last

571
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Speaker 3: five times he played in Big twelve, beat Miami last

572
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 3: year in the Pop Tarts Bowl. They punch up, and again,

573
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Speaker 3: it's a bit of different mentality when you're at a

574
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Speaker 3: place that has all the tools that Penn State has now.

575
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Speaker 3: But I think he brings inspiration in the sense of

576
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 3: you go into these games if you're a Penn State player,

577
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Speaker 3: a Penn State fan without that feeling of dread. And

578
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Speaker 3: I understand some of that is just human nature after

579
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 3: twelve years of one regime, But you go into well

580
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 3: next your schedule is actually very easy, so there is

581
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: a path there to make a run very early on

582
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: if this roster is put together correctly. But you go

583
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Speaker 3: into the next time you play Ohio State not feeling

584
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 3: the sense of here we go again. If you're tied

585
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 3: with Oregon late in a game, you're not thinking, how

586
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 3: are we going to blow this right?

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Speaker 2: It's different, and I think there's value in that.

588
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: But more importantly, there's value in a guy who's not

589
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: just them more with less of Iowa State, but did

590
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 3: it at the back level as well at Toledo. That

591
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: I know from speaking to other people who have talked

592
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: to Matt Campbell about jobs over the years, has been

593
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Speaker 3: maybe the most biggest separator between him and maybe some

594
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 3: other guys who are hot names, is this isn't a

595
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: guy who just found the right place at the right time.

596
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Speaker 3: He's got a proven track creck of doing this at

597
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: multiple stops. In fact, the fact he took the Iowa

598
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 3: State job was eye opening at the time because Iowa

599
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: State is a losing his program in the history of

600
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Speaker 3: the Big Twelve, and Matt Campbell had other options, like

601
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: what did he see in them? So I think he's

602
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 3: very strategic with how he goes about his business, with

603
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: where he chooses where he wants to work with the

604
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 3: hires he ultimately makes, and it'll be fascinating to see

605
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Speaker 3: over the long term how that plays itself out at

606
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Speaker 3: Penn State.

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Speaker 2: But again this is.

608
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Speaker 3: A separate conversation for a separate time.

609
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: But part of the.

610
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Speaker 3: Controversy, if you will, around Conference Championship Week in this

611
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: past week, was the uneven conference schedule.

612
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Speaker 2: Say in the ACC, say in the SEC, go.

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00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 3: Look at Ohio State schedule next year. Goliic at Penn

614
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: State schedule next year. I think I won't say it'll

615
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 3: be a disappointment because you don't know how the roster

616
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 3: is going to look, but Penn State might have a

617
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 3: higher over undertotal next year in the Ohio State just based

618
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: on those differing conference schedule, and Ohio State also opens

619
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Speaker 3: at Texas, but you know, just the big ten opponents alone,

620
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: it's almost like they're playing in two different conferences, two

621
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Speaker 3: different leagues, because Penn State schedule next year is very

622
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Speaker 3: very like they go to Michigan, by the way, which

623
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 3: will be interesting both because of Crafts comments. Well, I

624
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: guess the cheating part was proven accurate in a way

625
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 3: he didn't intend for it too, and which Trew Michigan

626
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Speaker 3: wiultimately have as their coach next year.

627
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's a weird state of affairs now for

628
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 4: many of us who have followed the sport for a

629
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Speaker 4: good long time when you've got a high profile coach firing,

630
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 4: a high profile coach hiring, and you can just sort

631
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Speaker 4: of assume without much risk that they'll be fine next year.

632
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 4: They'll be fine. I mean, the schedule works to their favor,

633
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 4: for sure. But just from a roster standpoint, it wasn't

634
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 4: all that long ago you let go of a big name,

635
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 4: there's a lot of unease with where the program is headed.

636
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 4: Next you lose your roster, you're basically hitting the reset

637
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 4: buttoning starting over. It's like a two or three year

638
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 4: span of time before you can get it back to

639
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 4: where it needs to be. That is no longer the

640
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 4: case because of the transfer portal, and it's thank you,

641
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 4: k Yeah, well right, I mean, Kurt Signetti is now

642
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 4: going to be I think the new standard in this world.

643
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 4: And clearly it has not worked out as well for

644
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 4: everybody who tries to build as quickly as he did

645
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 4: through the portal. But the point stands that we have

646
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 4: seen it at Indiana We've seen it at other places

647
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 4: where if you just are really smart about how you're recruiting,

648
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 4: and maybe, in the case of Matt Campbell and the

649
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 4: staff he's putting together, if they've got that wherewithal and

650
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 4: the scouting side of things, they can put together together

651
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 4: a roster relatively quickly.

652
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Speaker 2: I e.

653
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 4: Try to retain what you have, what you can retain

654
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Speaker 4: from the current roster, but go out and build with

655
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Speaker 4: what is going to be out there in the portal,

656
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 4: which seems to add board names each year.

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Speaker 1: I think Penn.

658
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 4: State's going to be okay given the schedule, so that'll

659
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Speaker 4: be a really really interesting twist, to say the least.

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Speaker 3: And I know a lot of those guys the minute

661
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Speaker 3: Matt Campbell told them he was leaving, say can I

662
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: come with?

663
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

664
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 3: And if he brings Rocco back with him, who's say

665
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 3: you no, a Penn State the best quarterback they've had

666
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 3: since Trace mcsorely, and I'm not sure there's even a

667
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: debate about that. It be better than mostly, So I

668
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 3: think that would work out well for everybody.

669
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 4: You bring up the Michigan thing and full disclosure. As

670
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 4: you and I were about to hit go the emails

671
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 4: started flying. I know you posted out to Twitter about

672
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 4: the charges now that are going to be filed against

673
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 4: Sharon Moore. This case took a really dark turn. At first.

674
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 4: It started out as one of those things that kind of,

675
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 4: let's be honest, people are very quick to make jokes

676
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 4: about it online. This is college football, this is what

677
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 4: college football fans buy and large do. But then there

678
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 4: was that moment where it got very serious, very quickly

679
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 4: and took a dark turn, and everybody was like, oh, okay, yeah,

680
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 4: maybe we should all take a beat here. We had

681
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 4: heard these rumors for a couple of weeks and this

682
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 4: wasn't necessarily a surprise. Certainly the way that things have

683
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 4: gone that has been surprising in its own right, but

684
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 4: just that they would move on from Sharon Moore.

685
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: This was sort of out there.

686
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 4: From hearing those rumors to get into the point where

687
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 4: they let go of Sharon Moore. Can you talk me

688
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 4: through maybe like your thinking upon hearing that this was

689
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 4: a possibility then to you know, this weird conclusion that

690
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 4: we find ourselves at now.

691
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, to backtrack a little bit, I mean, the rumors

692
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 3: really heated up after they lost to Ohio State, and

693
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: my thinking was well is that convenient, right, Like sure, yeah,

694
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 3: coach loses rivalry game and people want to get rid

695
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 3: of him. Full disclosure, And I printed this in my

696
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 3: story earlier this week, I filed a Freedom of Information

697
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 3: Act request to Michigan. I want to say after the

698
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 3: Oklahoma game, because I had heard back then from people

699
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: I trust, like they're.

700
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: Looking into them. That's week two.

701
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 3: It was after week two. It was in September. Yeah,

702
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: I want to say it was that because I want

703
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 3: to say it was when he was suspended. I'd have

704
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 3: to go back and look at the emails and like

705
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 3: to this day, Michigan still stalling, right, Well, he'd be

706
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: more specific, Well, we're gonna have to charge you this

707
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 3: and we're gonna have to send it to a home

708
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 3: adren And I'm like, well, no, you could email. I

709
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: don't want to get buried in the legal east. That's

710
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 3: not what listeners want to hear. But long story short,

711
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 3: as a reporter, my radar was certainly up by you know,

712
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 3: the way they kind of stonewalled me, and from my understanding,

713
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: others as well. So he gets I'm boarding a flight

714
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: actually on the way back from Las Vegas a day earlier.

715
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: I saw Ward Manuel have a lunch right across from me,

716
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,479
Speaker 3: so clearly he's not out there if he knows he's

717
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 3: got to fire his coach. The next day, and I'm

718
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 3: boarding a flight, I think I see the ESPN story

719
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: first firing him for cause.

720
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, guess rumors were true.

721
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 3: Can't use my phone to make phone calls, but thankfully

722
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 3: the Wi Fi worked on the flight, and I'm texting

723
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 3: people and trying to piece together what I can and

724
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 3: Dan Wetzel of ESPN now kind of comes out of nowhere,

725
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 3: at least at the time, with here's a statement from

726
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 3: Saleine police saying like they tracked down trow More entertained them.

727
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 2: And you're like, wait, what I thought?

728
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: This was?

729
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 3: Like, you know, an affair but not good, cost you

730
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 3: your job, but you know, we're all human people make

731
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: mistakes and eventually you move on. It took a very

732
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 3: dark turn very quickly, Like I had something written and

733
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 3: I was ready to post while flying just about where

734
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: Michigan goes from here, and once that came out, I'm like,

735
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 3: all right, this has taken on a completely different tone

736
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 3: and whatnot.

737
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: And yeah, I say this, I relay this story.

738
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 3: I've relayed this anecdote previously, but I'll say it again

739
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: here because I think it's kind of a glimpse into

740
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 3: what Michigan is dealing with here, the severity of it.

741
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: Two years ago, the Connor Sallien's story breaks and it's

742
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 3: the biggest thing in the world at the time. And

743
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 3: I remember I'm up all night on the phone writing,

744
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 3: just trying to piece together what's what. We had a

745
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: newborn at the time. My wife gets up in the

746
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 3: middle of the night to feed the new born and

747
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 3: she says.

748
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: What are you doing up?

749
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: And I'm honey, you're not gonna believe this, like big

750
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 3: scandal Michigan Jim Harbaugh.

751
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 2: And she's like and she's did he abuse someone?

752
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: No? No, no?

753
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: Did he sexually assault anyone? No?

754
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: No, no, So what's so big about it? And I'm like,

755
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: sign stealing and she's she looked exactly words here. Who

756
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: gives a ship go back to sleep? And you know what,

757
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 3: that's why it's nice to have people outside of this

758
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 3: circle that we live in to bring perspective and reality.

759
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: And I say all that now to say, no, this

760
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 3: is like something that would have gotten her attention of Okay, yeah,

761
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 3: this is serious.

762
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: This is real life stuff.

763
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 3: This is stuff you know, worth stressing and worrying about,

764
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 3: because that's the train that Michigan just you know, went

765
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 3: from going from all shagans they dealt with before to

766
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: what they're dealing with now, which is obviously incredibly, incredibly serious.

767
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 3: A lot of lives are forever ruined by what alleged

768
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: is alleged to have happened. And you know, there are

769
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: multiple different layers to this conversation, right like, it's yeah,

770
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 3: who's Michigan hires a coach?

771
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: Where's Michigan goes university? Right now?

772
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 3: I mean, they don't have a president, and this has

773
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: brought shame and embarrassment to them in a way that

774
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 3: allegedly cheating on the football field simply doesn't. Like, this

775
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 3: is a world class university that's got arguably the biggest

776
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: brand in the world. And you've heard Jake Budd and

777
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: other prominent alums out there say since like, yeah, like

778
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 3: you cannot wear this block m with the same amount

779
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: of pride today, plain and simple.

780
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: Like this is different.

781
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 3: And there's that conversation, and there's a conversation of what

782
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: you know, to show mor Get the help that he

783
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: probably needs, what happens with his wife and three little girls,

784
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 3: what happens to the young woman who's alleged to have

785
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: been you know, whose house he allegedly broke into, and

786
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 3: what happens with her life. I mean, just so many

787
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 3: lives of quote unquote ordinary people have been upended by this,

788
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 3: and you know, of non ordinary people football. I mean,

789
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 3: there are people on that staff with opportunities go elsewhere

790
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 3: and elected to stay out of loyalty to show more

791
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 3: and obviously that was was not rewarded with the actions

792
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 3: of this past week. And you know, again this is

793
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 3: a reporter in me thinking out loud here, but you

794
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 3: know what I'm looking for, like the signs, like what

795
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: did we miss or is there something else that has

796
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: happened in that programmer, in this guy's life in the

797
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 3: past that's been swept under the rug, Like what stuff

798
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 3: of this big I feel like just doesn't happen, you know,

799
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: in a vacuum?

800
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: Where were the signs? Where did Michigan miss the signs?

801
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: Why was Michigan comfortable with handing the job to this

802
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 3: guy at thirty six years old when he clearly was

803
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 3: not prepared to handle a job of this magnitude. I mean,

804
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: I just there's so many questions we're never going to

805
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 3: get all the answers. It's a tragic story on a

806
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 3: human level for many humans, and you know, I guess

807
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 3: everyone's just kind of left to pick up the pieces

808
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 3: from here.

809
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 4: Let me make the somewhat awkward transition to the football

810
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 4: side of us. Okay, there's two layers to the story.

811
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 4: Everybody listening to this understands as much. The football side

812
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 4: of this. Michigan now needs a new coach. It's a

813
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 4: big job, one of the top jobs in the country.

814
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 4: I think we can agree on that point, regardless of

815
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 4: how people feel about Michigan, whether they like Michigan or not,

816
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 4: it's one of the biggest brands. As you said, it's

817
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 4: certainly one of the top jobs. Clearly there is some unease,

818
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 4: I would say, uncertainty about state of the athletic department.

819
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 4: Maybe from an outsider's perspective, what it's like to work

820
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 4: at the university is a situation what get involved in.

821
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 4: So with all that being said, the names that I

822
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 4: have just seen reported from whoever we read online, those

823
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 4: are all very very big names because this is a

824
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 4: very very big job. Whether it's Kaitlin de Borr, whether

825
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 4: it's a name like a Kenny Dillingham, Brian Kelly, if

826
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 4: we want to bring him out of retirement.

827
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: I've seen Marcus.

828
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 4: Retirement, all the big names. Who have you heard? Who

829
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 4: do you think makes sense? What do you think their

830
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 4: next move is? Just on the football side.

831
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny to see the Boor's name thrown

832
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: out there because I wrote in the lead up to

833
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 3: the National title game two years ago, which was the

834
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 3: Boor at Washington against Michigan. Everyone knew Harball was not

835
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 3: going to be back one way or another. I wrote,

836
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 3: at one point or another, Hey are we looking at

837
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 3: kellna Bor coaching against his future employer and end up

838
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 3: being the timeline I think worked out where Alabama opened

839
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 3: first because of Saban, They hired Bor late January, Harball

840
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 3: leaves and Michigan just promotes Troll Moore. That would be

841
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 3: my call. That would be the guy I put the

842
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 3: full court press on. I think he's really good. I

843
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 3: don't know if he's movable or not. I mean, people,

844
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 3: he isn't the second because he's literally coaching a team

845
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 3: that's chasing a championship, and personally speaking, I think they

846
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: beat Oklahoma and lose to Indiana, but you know, maybe

847
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 3: they go on a run here.

848
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: I don't know.

849
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: Penn State tried.

850
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 3: The way it was conveyed to me was the boor

851
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: and this could have been him just letting them down lightly.

852
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: But hey, appreciate it.

853
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 3: But like, I'm already at a place where my every

854
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: moves judge by my predecessor, I don't necessarily need to

855
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 3: go to another place where the Paternos are going to

856
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 3: do the same to me. Not that it's a like

857
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 3: for like comparison, but again that's what he conveyed, or

858
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 3: his representatives can fade to Penn State the problem and

859
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 3: you know, this is a first world problem.

860
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: But the problem with the.

861
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 3: Bor is it's a pretty open secret secret in the

862
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 3: industry that whenever Lincoln Riley does leave USC, and to

863
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 3: his credit, he peers have gotten that ship back on

864
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: the right track. I think that had a strong ear.

865
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 3: But whenever he does leave USC or USC moves off

866
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 3: from him. That athletic director Jen Cohen is the one

867
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 3: who hired Kaylen a boor at Washington and would hire

868
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: Kaylen Niboor back at USC.

869
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: You know most of his roots are on.

870
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 3: That side of the country versus the South or the Midwest,

871
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 3: although he does have some Midwest experience at Eastern Michigan

872
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 3: and Indiana. But that's the guy I would put the

873
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 3: full court press on. Jed Fish is a popular name

874
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 3: who I think absolutely would take the job. I do

875
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 3: wonder if he's by association, not that he's guilty of

876
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 3: anything or did anything, but I just think that school

877
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 3: is ready for a clean break of anyone who ever

878
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 3: worked with Jim Harbaugh. Jedfish worked with Jim Harbaugh while

879
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 3: he was there. I wonder if that hurts his candidacy.

880
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: Most of the names that you would normally throw out

881
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 3: for this job had either got a new jobs already

882
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 3: or signed extensions, right like Clark Lee, Eli Drinkwitz, Brent Keye,

883
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 3: al Loot. I'm not sure he would have been a candidate,

884
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 3: Like a lot of coaches got paid Mike lco So

885
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 3: I don't know who ultimately is there. Like do you

886
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 3: look at a guy like Tony Elliott, who, if nothing else,

887
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 3: will not embarrass your program, right? I mean, he's been

888
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: the opposite of what Michigan's out with any as far

889
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 3: as off field concerns, with the way he's handled all

890
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 3: the tragedies that happened at Virginia and this year putting

891
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 3: forth a pretty damn good football team.

892
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: I don't know I'm thinking.

893
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 3: Out loud here, I will say, like, for as many

894
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 3: questions as like me and you have about like World

895
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 3: War Manual be there, who was making this higher of

896
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 3: Michigan's last four head coaching hires, the only one that

897
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 3: was a good hire with him Harball, that was made

898
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: without a full time athletic director. I do think at

899
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 3: some of these blue bloods and Michigan's among that very

900
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 3: very small group, the idea of being the head coach

901
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 3: or CEO at that program is so strong that you

902
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 3: don't have as many questions about who am I reporting to,

903
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 3: what's this look like, what's that look like? I think,

904
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 3: not that it's not important, but I do think the

905
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 3: chance to become the Michigan football head coach is so

906
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: such a strong title and feeling to so many people

907
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 3: who got into this business that they're willing to almost overlook,

908
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 3: you know, some of the finer details to have that job.

909
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 3: Whereas I'm not gonna throw out a names because I

910
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 3: don't want to sound insulting, but like ninety percent of

911
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 3: the programs. If they're calling you up to interview, You've

912
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: got a lot of questions about how they operate and

913
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 3: is it a better job than what you have right now?

914
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: Man, Okay, well, we'll follow it. We'll see where they

915
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: go next. Before I let you go.

916
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 4: You are the co host of The Independent with our

917
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 4: friend Pete Samson, where you talk about Notre Dame.

918
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: Notre Dame has also been in the news.

919
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 4: People who listen to this show are probably sick of

920
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 4: hearing me talk about the ways in which Notre Dame

921
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 4: maybe was treated relative to Alabama, maybe to Miami. I'm

922
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 4: not necessarily making the case for Notre Dame over any

923
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 4: of those teams, but definitely the process has very much

924
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 4: come under the gun here with certainly with respect to

925
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 4: Pete Bavaqua, who has gone on something of a media

926
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 4: tour earlier this week where he was doing interviews with

927
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 4: the likes of Dan Patrick.

928
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: He obviously gave a press conference. You and I.

929
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 4: Interestingly enough, we're going to record before the press conference,

930
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 4: and I said to you, maybe we should hold off, Like,

931
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 4: is he going to leave the acc what is he

932
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 4: going to do? He has been on this war path

933
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 4: of sorts now against the College Football Playoff Committee, not

934
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 4: so much against any have the teams in the ACC,

935
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 4: but the ACC with how he felt they mistreated Notre

936
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 4: Dame as one of the primary business partners.

937
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on here right now.

938
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 4: I still have a hard time and I root for

939
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 4: the team looking at this as anything other than sour grapes.

940
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 4: You know, and Dan Patrick asked him about it, and

941
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 4: he understood the question. But to me, and certainly for

942
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 4: most who listen to this show, I find it very

943
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 4: hard to look at what has gone on over the

944
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 4: last week, even if he has a point on some

945
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 4: of these things, to not look at this as sour grape.

946
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 1: Do you share that opinion?

947
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 2: Yeah? And look, I was in Vegas all week.

948
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: The College fooall Hall of Fame dinner is there. There

949
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 3: are some other seminars there. It's about as close to

950
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: a full house as you can get as far as

951
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 3: seeing a bunch of football coaches and athletic directors under

952
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 3: one roof. And that was absolutely the prevailing people back

953
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: with Marcus Streaming were not there, but that was a

954
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,959
Speaker 3: prevailing sentiment of like when I talk.

955
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 2: To people, like what what are they doing?

956
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it's like now that you always talk about

957
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 3: the twenty four hour role after a winter loss. Like,

958
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 3: I think they were a sympathetic figure Sunday into Sunday night,

959
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 3: maybe in the Monday morning, but then to complain all

960
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 3: day Monday and then complain all day Tuesday.

961
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: It got old very quickly.

962
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, hindsight's twenty twenty, of course,

963
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 3: and personally, I think they should have been in over Alabama.

964
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: That's just my personal opinion. I think both Miami and

965
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 3: Nerd Aime should have been in. Didn't happen?

966
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: You move on?

967
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, the Bowl game is absolutely contributed to

968
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 3: a lot of the negative outside negative noise as well.

969
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 2: They did not do any campaigning before Sunday.

970
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 3: And again I'm playing the result here clearly, because it's

971
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 3: not like I was saying they got to get out

972
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 3: there in real time, although maybe they should have, or

973
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 3: maybe I should have said it, like I saw someone

974
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: from Miami out of Vegas who said, look, I basically

975
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 3: spent the last seven weeks sleeping to Mario Chris Bo's office,

976
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 3: going over talking points, coming up with ideas we could

977
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 3: present to the nation about why Miami deserves to be

978
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 3: in the Playoff. Remember, Miami was number eighteen in the

979
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 3: first week of the College Football Playoff rankings. By the

980
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: sixth and final week, they were in. And it's not

981
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: like they had a murder's row of opponents from the

982
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 3: time they went eighteen to the time they found themselves

983
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 3: in the field. Sark for all of his complaining, and

984
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 3: I know it didn't work, but Sark was fighting publicly

985
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 3: about Texas's inclusion. Greg Sanki certainly was on behalf of Alabama,

986
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 3: as was Alabama themselves. They sent out bullet points and

987
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: talking points immediately after the SEC title game to the

988
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 3: national media saying here's our case and as the Vanderbilt

989
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: and again, I wone could go about their business the

990
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 3: way they want to.

991
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: But like Marcus Freeman was on The Today Show the

992
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: week of.

993
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 3: The final rankings, I think maybe Wednesday, Tuesday, Wednesday before

994
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 3: that's Sunday Show would have been a great opportunity on

995
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: a show where like a lot of people watch, to say, hey,

996
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 3: we're one of the twelve best teams of the country.

997
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: Here's why. Even if that might not have been what

998
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: he was on the show for. But it's NBC. They're

999
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 2: a business partner of in our Dames.

1000
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 3: I'm sure they could have figured something out, like there

1001
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 3: were Again I'm planning the result here, but I just

1002
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: think there were so many missed opportunities over the course

1003
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 3: of the last six weeks.

1004
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 2: And I think, and I'm not saying this is like

1005
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,959
Speaker 2: morally right, but I think Nor Dame was very.

1006
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 3: Naive to think they were safe the whole time, because

1007
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 3: people who've covered the sport long enough, people who've covered

1008
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 3: this crazy selection committee long enough, we still can't figure

1009
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 3: out if there's much rhyme or reason to what they

1010
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 3: trot out there every week. And I think you need

1011
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 3: to always be on guard for a surprise or two.

1012
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 3: And I mean just speaking here candidly. I talk to

1013
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: people in the football office that previous Tuesday night when

1014
00:48:55,160 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 3: Alabama jumped them, who are very nervous. So this idea

1015
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 3: of like we were wronged, How dare you I get it?

1016
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 3: Like as far as like being emotionally crushed by it,

1017
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 3: I just like, do you not exist in like college

1018
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 3: football twenty twenty five? Do you not understand all the

1019
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 3: crazy stuff happens, Like, oh, we're not going to go

1020
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 3: to a bowl now we're mad? Like I think that's

1021
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 3: just a hard sentiment for the rest of the nation

1022
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 3: to get behind, and they would have been behind Notre

1023
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 3: Dame had they stopped talking after Monday morning.

1024
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 4: You know, the counterpoint to what Pete Bavakua has said,

1025
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 4: just playing devil's advocate here, everyone knows that you're for

1026
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 4: the team. It seems as though a big part of

1027
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 4: his case against the College Football Playoff was we were

1028
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 4: above Miami. We were you know, even in the driver's seat.

1029
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 4: It seemed against Alabama for a good chunk of this process.

1030
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 4: He is kind of building this case that the weekly

1031
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 4: ranking shows were to be believed. And I think that's

1032
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 4: where I kind of hop off the train, because even

1033
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 4: though those things are supposed to be taken seriously, I

1034
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 4: think we know better at this point than it's sort

1035
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 4: of just a TV show, And so I don't think

1036
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 4: you could take any of that as gospel, because truly,

1037
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 4: we saw a bunch of movement down the stretch the

1038
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 4: last couple weeks, most notably just this last week, which

1039
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 4: gave Miami the nod and knock Notre Dame out. I

1040
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 4: find it really hard to believe that they were hook

1041
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 4: line and Sinker sold on everything the committee was telling them.

1042
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 4: I totally get where they're coming from from the standpoint

1043
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 4: of the process is broken, and it doesn't seem like

1044
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 4: there is a good way to tell teams. At least

1045
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 4: in this case, there wasn't a good way to tell

1046
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 4: Notre Dame that they needed to do more to give

1047
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,439
Speaker 4: themselves a better case, a stronger case to get into

1048
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 4: that final field of twelve.

1049
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: So I understand that perspective.

1050
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 4: But the notion that what we are seeing on Tuesday

1051
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 4: nights is any sort of hard and fast ranking of

1052
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 4: these teams that cannot change that, to me is where

1053
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 4: I was like, you might have lost me a little bit.

1054
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 2: Pete, Yeah, I'm with you again.

1055
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 3: And you know, I don't know him particularly well, but

1056
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 3: he's in just his second year as a full time

1057
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 3: athletic director.

1058
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: He did not come from the college space.

1059
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 3: Well obviously, he was very involved with it, like he

1060
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 3: was on a traditional ad higher and I think a

1061
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 3: lot of people who come from, you know, a different

1062
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 3: background sometimes getting doctrinated the hard way, right, Like, college.

1063
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 2: Sports is different.

1064
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's better, I'm not saying it's worse,

1065
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 3: but it's different than the business world. Like don't believe

1066
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 3: everything you hear and say, right, like, I think you

1067
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 3: need to be very skeptical of a lot of people's intentions. Here,

1068
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 3: Jack Swarbrick, who you know was not nearly as you know,

1069
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 3: publicly charismatic as Pepa Baque, is.

1070
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 2: Got stuff done. You know what I mean.

1071
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 3: I'm not saying Pete's not getting stuff done. But Jack

1072
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 3: knew where the bodies were buried. He could see around corners.

1073
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 3: He's the one who designed this system that greatly benefits

1074
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 3: Notre Dame, right like the end of the day. And

1075
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 3: I'm saying the obvious here like don't go, don't start

1076
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 3: owing too and you won't find yourself in this situation.

1077
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 3: And obviously it's a little more complicated than that. But

1078
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 3: I just wonder. I do wonder, like I look at

1079
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 3: the makeup.

1080
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: Of the ACC.

1081
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 3: I see a league with a commissioner who son just

1082
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 3: graduated from Nordame and who himself came up through the

1083
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 3: industry working at Notre Dame. I see four athletic directors Pittsburgh,

1084
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 3: North Carolina, Duke, and NC State who are all Nordame grads.

1085
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 2: And I just.

1086
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 3: Think on a human level, you look at that and

1087
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 3: they see a guy who got a job that they

1088
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 3: probably would have gone after themselves had it been open

1089
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 3: who got this job for whatever reason, and probably probably

1090
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 3: don't look at him and Nordame with as much respect

1091
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 3: as they did when Jack was there. That's just my

1092
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 3: read of the situation. No one has explicitly said that

1093
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 3: to me. But again, I think human nature kicks in

1094
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Speaker 3: with all these things. I mean, look at the makeup

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00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 3: of the committee. The only recusal for Notre Dame this

1096
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 3: year was Ivan Maizel, and he was recused because he

1097
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 3: wrote a book on Frankly, Ivan is from Alabama, He's

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00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 3: got Stanford diploma. Like that was the closest thing Neredame

1099
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 3: had to a quote unquote ally in the room this year.

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00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 3: Go back to twenty fourteen, the first year of the committee,

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00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 3: I counted four with Neridame ties Barry Alvarez who's once

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00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 3: the DC there, Ty Willingham who was once the coach there,

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00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 3: cond of Liza Rice who was a degree from the place,

1104
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 3: and there was one more, Pat Hayden who used to

1105
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 3: call their games for Nbcure, these are human beings. I

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00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: know they're all supposed to be unbiased and stick to

1107
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 3: the facts and the data, etc. These are human beings

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00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 3: who are essentially sequestered for six weeks with just a

1109
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 3: few other human beings having representation for your school or

1110
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 3: other people's cases, conferences matters. I had someone who's intimately

1111
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 3: familiar with the makeup of that committee tell me I'm

1112
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 3: not surprised Alabama got in over Ner Dame. That was

1113
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 3: my fear the minute they took off mac Rhodes and

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00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 3: put Hunter year Check up there, because when you got

1115
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 3: an SEC chair up there, the SEC is probably going

1116
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 3: to get the benefit of the doubt. And sometimes it

1117
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 3: really is that simple, fascinating stuff.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: I gotta say it has definitely animated the college football public.

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Speaker 4: My final question and then I'm going to get you,

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Speaker 4: get you out of here. What is Pete Bavaqua's endgame

1122
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 4: with this?

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Speaker 2: That's my quest.

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Speaker 3: That's my biggest question, right, I think that's everybody's biggest question. Obviously,

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00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 3: the future of college football is changing as we speak.

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00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 3: It's hard to predict what things will look like five

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00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 3: years from now. I imagine, you know, I believe after twenty

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00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 3: thirty is when the grant of rights penalties based on

1129
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 3: the settlement with Clemson, Florida State and the ACC go away.

1130
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 3: So I imagine the AEC as we know it will

1131
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 3: start to deteriorate in the years before then, as it

1132
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 3: will probably everywhere outside of the Big Ten in the SEC.

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00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 3: I don't know what his end game is, though obviously

1134
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 3: there's you know, eventually both nerd Name and the AEC

1135
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 3: have to bury the hatchet and move on. I don't

1136
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 3: see another their conference, at least major. I shouldn't say

1137
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 3: I'm sure the Big twelve would do with the AEC's

1138
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 3: doing for Nerdame, but I don't think that makes sense.

1139
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 3: I don't see the SEC or the Big Ten doing

1140
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 3: for Nerdame what the ACC is doing for Nerdame. And

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00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 3: I think the scheduling, like, people are always going to

1142
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 3: want to schedule Nerdim because they're a draw both in

1143
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 3: the stands and on TV.

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00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: They enhance the ACC's media value.

1145
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 3: But it is hard to schedule nerd Aim when every

1146
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 3: conference is going to nine games and they're seeing what

1147
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,720
Speaker 3: USC is saying now, which is why are we playing

1148
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 3: you mid season? Like if you look at USC scheduled,

1149
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 3: look as a traditionalist, I want that rivalry to be

1150
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 3: played on each his campus every year for as long

1151
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 3: as we're all alive, because that's what makes college football great. However,

1152
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 3: USC is very much in the boat of like Nerdame,

1153
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 3: you play no one outside of Miami next year?

1154
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 2: You need us.

1155
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 3: Have you seen our schedule and you can look it up.

1156
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 3: I mean USC has got a murder's row of a schedule.

1157
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 2: And yes, I get it.

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00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 3: They chose this life by going to the ten and

1159
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 3: kill in the Pac twelve, et cetera, et cetera. But

1160
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 3: I just think, you know, not Dame can still maintain

1161
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 3: its independence. I don't think they have the flexibility that

1162
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 3: they once did as far as scheduling is concerned, because

1163
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,720
Speaker 3: we saw it this year, right, The two biggest opponents

1164
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 3: of consequences of consequence that they played were the first

1165
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 3: two weeks of the season, which is a hell of

1166
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 3: a difficult way to open the season.

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Speaker 2: And maybe one, if not both, those games go.

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00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 3: Differently if CJ's Carr's got six games under his belt

1169
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: or ten games under his belt, and we'll never know,

1170
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 3: but they were playing from behind from week two on.

1171
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 3: And yeah, do I think they're good enough to at

1172
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 3: least challenge for national championship this year? I do, But

1173
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, they have only themselves

1174
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 3: a blame for not putting themselves in position to be

1175
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 3: among those top twelve teams.

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Speaker 4: Much more to come to say the least, will see

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Speaker 4: what the conversation looks like next with regard to Notre Dame,

1178
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 4: with regard to Michigan, and certainly with regard to Penn State.

1179
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 4: How we started this whole conversation again. His name is

1180
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 4: Matt Fortuna. You can check out the podcast he does

1181
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 4: with our Fred Pete Sampson, The Independent, a Notre Dame podcast.

1182
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 4: You can also go on out to Inside Zone mf

1183
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 4: dot com. That is the Inside Zone, the newsletter that

1184
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 4: Matt Fortuna puts together. Matt, you do an excellent job

1185
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 4: with this, you really do, and I'm thrilled that we

1186
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 4: were finally able to make this work. I know you're

1187
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 4: a very busy guy this week, so thank you so

1188
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 4: much for giving us your time.

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Speaker 3: No, thanks for your patience, Thanks for having me and

1190
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 3: see you Miami maybe the championship game.

1191
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 4: Well, let's see if they let us in, we'll see.

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00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: I'll look for you all right.

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Speaker 4: There you have it, big thanks again to Matt Fortuna

1194
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 4: for being so generous with his time today, for sharing

1195
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 4: his thoughts on Penn State, a Notre Dame on Michigan

1196
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 4: on a whole bunch of stuff. He's one of the

1197
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 4: good guys truly, so again check him out inside zonemf

1198
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 4: dot com as well as the show he does with

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Speaker 4: a friend Pete Sampson, the Notre Dame show called The Independent.

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