1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Ron, my perspective is just because somebody has Subaru over 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: their doorway, or Chevy or Ford or r a automotive 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: or whatever, it's a repair shop is only as good 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: as the people inside the place. The Car Doctor, if 5 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: you can tell we're family here because you know the 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: last time you took Tony and I for a drive, 7 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: I remember you pulled over, turned around and said, make 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: me stop this car again. Well that's because you guys 9 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: weren't wearing your seat belts. We're wearing our car Doctor shirt. 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: Welcome to the radio home of Ron and Anian the 11 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: Car Doctor, since this is where car owners the world 12 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: over turned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: the phone and call in. The garage doors are open, 15 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: but I am here to the eight. Your calls at 16 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: eight five five five six, and now he running. Hey, welcome, 17 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: Come on and car Doctor. Five six zero nine nine 18 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: zero zero is the phone number. Car Doctor show dot 19 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: com has always and more information there, as well as 20 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: podcasting as well as get out to Tune in my Heart, 21 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: iTunes and Google Play, and you can find more podcasts 22 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: about this radio show they're more so than ever, and 23 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: you know, we appreciate it. Frank just called in from 24 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: Rockland County. We are gonna miss Rockland County. That's all 25 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: I'll say about that. But we appreciate Frank calling in 26 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: and um reminding us that yesterday was a Veterans Day 27 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: and we should have done something for the veterans. And 28 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: he's right. You know what, We've all got to recognize 29 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: the fact that yesterday was Veterans Day and we just 30 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: don't need a day to be nice to the veterans. 31 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: We should be nice and think about the veterans every 32 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: day because for all the things we're around here crabbing 33 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: about a it's the veterans to give us the ability 34 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: and the right to do that. And be um, you 35 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: know what, they've got worse troubles than we do, especially 36 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: the folks that are overseas right now defending this great 37 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: nation of ours, and um, we should all bow our 38 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: heads in prayer and say, you know, thank you for 39 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: that and all that they do, and stop complaining about 40 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: whether or not your cup of coffee is too hot 41 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: or too cold, or too big or too small. So 42 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: but anyway, this is the car Doctor Radio show, and 43 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: I understand the phones are just backed up. So Tom's 44 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: yelling at me. He says, you gotta get right to 45 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: the call. So let's get over and kick the garage 46 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: doors open right away, and let's go see talk to 47 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: Connie and old Saybrook, Connecticut. Connie. Welcome to the car Doctor. 48 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the car Doctor. It's been a couple 49 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: of years. How can I help you today? Hi? Ron, 50 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: thank you so much. I think you've had a chance 51 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: to to read all the details I've sent over to 52 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: well sevenes of it. Holy can um. You know, you 53 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: know Connie, and you know for everyone else. Connie's got 54 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: a twenty fifteen. Where did it go? Connie got help 55 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: me out here, Connie, Honda fit. That's that's got a 56 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: problem with the air conditioning system. There's a smell coming 57 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: out of it. That's that's mildewey and known problem. There 58 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: some recalls or updates and bulletins, and they did all 59 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: that and you still got the issue correct. Yes. And 60 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: it was then discovered that there were water leaks in 61 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: the car that had been undiscovered for a long time, 62 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: and that of course contributed to I guess, And so 63 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: now I have a car that I wheeze in when 64 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 1: I climb in, you open the door, you're bowled over 65 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: by the smell. You turn on the air conditioner heater, 66 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: and it just is really bad. If you feel around 67 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: on the carpet with your hands down, around in the corners, 68 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: around the base and underneath the seat, is it wet? 69 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: Does it does it feel damp? Does it feel um? 70 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: I haven't done that in a while. They did find 71 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: water leaks from the moon roof being defective. They replaced 72 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: and and the seals around three of the doors were defectives, 73 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: and they replaced those water had leaked in. But if 74 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: I went out there to the car now, if I 75 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: felt the carpet, I don't know. I'd like to think 76 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: there wasn't well, because my experience has been that depending 77 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: upon how bad of a water leak the vehicle has, 78 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: it will you know it's just the carpet never really 79 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: drives out unless you pull the carpet out of the vehicle. 80 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: You got the car, You pull the carpet out of 81 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: the vehicle, You dry the carpet or replace it, and 82 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: then you have to wash the inside of the floor 83 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: pan with lysol soap and water to to you know, 84 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: get the mold and the bacteria out of there, depending 85 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: upon how bad the water leak was. So I'm just 86 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: curious that could be why they're not getting it any 87 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: any cleaner, getting rid of the smell anymore than they 88 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: already have. So let me ask you this question. If 89 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: you go into another Honda fit, do you get the smell? Okay, 90 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: so it's not you, And that's the point I'm trying 91 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: to make a it's not something because I have seen 92 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: that too. I have seen cases where manufacturers use a 93 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: particular chemical to assemble a vehicle and some people it's rare, 94 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: but it happens where they'll they'll have a reaction to it. So, 95 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: you know, step number one. If you really like the 96 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: body style and you're thinking about getting another vehicle, another fit, 97 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: like your email describes to me, you know, just make 98 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: sure that if you spent a day or two a 99 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: little cockpit time in the in the vehicle, that you 100 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: don't have that particular problem. There's no reaction to that 101 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: vehicle as far as how it was assembled in with 102 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: what you know, chemicals and materials. Um, that would be 103 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,559 Speaker 1: my first thought. Um, but you had a question about 104 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: Carfax too, correct, Well, it has now. When I went 105 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: to check on my vehicle to see what it reads 106 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: as far as all the HITS service calls, it now 107 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: has twenty on there. And if I were as I 108 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: was looking for a pre owned car, came upon one 109 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: that sounded right checked the car facks that that's a 110 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: good indicator to me, that that it's helpful in determining, okay, 111 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: is this what has the car been through? Now? If anyone, 112 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: if I tried to fell mine my box are nobody 113 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: is going to ever give me a fair deal on 114 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: a car that has that many workmanship of course not 115 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: of course, not absolutely not. And they're telling me otherwise. 116 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: They're saying, oh, but they're all under warranty, so that 117 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: won't be appress really certain the words they're telling you 118 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: that they'll give you as much on trade as any 119 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: other well American Honda themselves told me that not that 120 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: I shouldn't worry about that that shouldn't be an issue. 121 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: But the dealership offered me and offered that's the low 122 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: Kelly blue book. They recognize and admit that the car 123 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: is a problem, in their words, a problem car. Well, 124 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: they said we'll give you a good deal and they 125 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: came back with that offer of less than median Kelly 126 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: Blue Book, and I'd have to come up with seven 127 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: thousand seven d dollars. So so, how is that a 128 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: good deal? It's a good deal for them. You want 129 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: a good deal for you, exactly exactly, And and that's 130 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: my thoughts that that's exactly my thought. How so right there, 131 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: that tells me this is not a reputable dealership for 132 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: me to be working with or doing anything more with. 133 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: But they're not taking any further responsibility. You know, my 134 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: father is gone. Let's see, I was eleven. I'm forty 135 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: nine years and I still remember as a kid sitting 136 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: at the kitchen table listen to them talk about the 137 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: rug store in Englewood, New Jersey. He'd say to my mom, 138 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, there's no such thing as a new customer. 139 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: There's just a customer. They came in from somewhere else 140 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: that they got ticked off, and they left that guy 141 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: and they came to me. So I've got to be 142 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: really good when I get a new customer into a 143 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: rug that I do the job as perfect as I can. 144 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: And and it sounds like that's what Honda doesn't realize. 145 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: There's no such thing as a new customer. There's just 146 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: a car buyer from another brand or dealership that just 147 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: wasn't happy, and you know, here's their opportunity to make 148 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: them happy, and they're not doing a great job at it, 149 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: and they've got to they've got to recognize that. I 150 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: think your argument lies with American Honda, not the dealership. 151 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: And I think your argument because listen, I understand the 152 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: dealer is the distributor, but they're the manufacturer. And if 153 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: that vehicle still has you know, water damage or you know, 154 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: if you've suffered um, what's the word I'm looking for, 155 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: if you've suffered damage as far as the retail value, 156 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: if you have that in writing, do you have that 157 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: in writing? Their offer of below Kelly Blue book that 158 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: the dealership gave you gone and I've requested, I've requested 159 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: from No, I don't know. Yes, I do have. If 160 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: you have it in writing, always get the offer. Always 161 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: get anything like this in writing, because here's what you're 162 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: gonna do. You're gonna take that, and now you've got 163 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: the proof, here's the offer. And I would I would 164 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: go talk to a lawyer, and I realized that's going 165 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: to cost some bucks. But I think you've got a 166 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: legal case here, or I think you've at least got 167 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: some lemon law, because somebody's got to explain to you why, 168 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: if every other Honda fit is worth X, you're getting 169 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: a quote of three thousand dollars less than X. That 170 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense either that or these guys are 171 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: just hustlers and they're trying to take advantage of you. Well, 172 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but I'm that's how I 173 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: feel right that. That was immediately how I saw it. Well, 174 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: and you know, the sad part is, and here's what. 175 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: Here's what people don't understand. If they made you happy 176 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: and they dug into their pocket and they've got listen, 177 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: there's my an account somewhere with that dealership. To make 178 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: every you know, customer with a problem, I think, so 179 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: to make every customer with a problem's got a real 180 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: problem happy, Not the dreamers but the realistic people. You 181 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: know what, You'll be the best advertising mouthpiece on the planet, 182 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: but now you're gonna be the negative advertising mouthpiece because 183 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: I get a sense that your next thing that you're 184 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: gonna do is to write a letter to the editor 185 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: of a local newspaper and perhaps get one of the 186 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: television media news channels on your side. And you know, 187 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: then talk to American Honda and you're not gonna let 188 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: this go. Um. I just get a sense that you're 189 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: gonna dig in deep and go for the long haul. 190 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: This is exactly true. Yeah, even the local radio station. 191 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: Someone just said to me this morning, I'd go to 192 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: those trouble students, right. You need you need to you 193 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: need to gain some exposure. And I don't care if 194 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: it's you know, put a big yellow ribbon on the 195 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: car and park it out in front of the dealership 196 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,359 Speaker 1: every day with a sign on purchased at this dealership 197 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: for this and this is what it's worth. Now, don't 198 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: ever buy a car here. You know what that's I think. 199 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: I think you're I think, and I would check with 200 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: a lawyer, but I think you're allowed to do that. 201 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: That's freedom of speech and freedom of expression in this country. 202 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: And that's what this last election was all about. That 203 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: still as a democracy, it hasn't turned into a kingdom. 204 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: So UM, I would I would start to approach how 205 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: can you get more exposure for this? But by all means, 206 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: I think the Kelly Blue Book value is low. I 207 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 1: think the carfax thing is indicating you're taking a hit. 208 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: If you can get Lemon law, get Lemon law. But 209 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: I would stay away from Honda if this is going 210 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: to be their attitude, this is how they want to 211 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: fix it. To me, they're fixing it the wrong way. Connie, 212 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: I wish you luck. 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How can 228 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: I help you? Today, sir, Hey, good good morning or 229 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 1: afternoon there right. Uh. I was on the internet looking 230 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: for something totally unrelated, but I happen to come across 231 00:12:54,400 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: some uh information on memory holders for the PCM and 232 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: the radio when you have the battery disconnected from the 233 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: vehicle yep. And I was wondering if you can tell 234 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: me a little bit of what you think about them. 235 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: It seems like the two choices or one plugs into 236 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: the d C the d T L right, the other 237 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: one is in the cigarette lighter, which is really called 238 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: the power supply now. Yeah, and I like I like 239 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: the one that goes into the d C L WALLT 240 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: because to me, it's more reliable, it's more consistent. The 241 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: problem with the cigarette lighter version is it depends on 242 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: what the manufacturers doing. Believe it or not. There's some 243 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: manufacturers out there that don't power the cigarette lighter unless 244 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: the key is on. I've seen it, um, so you 245 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: know it's not necessarily always a hot link if the 246 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: vehicle is off. It's really kind of dopey. Um. The 247 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: only way I can be assured is if the key 248 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: if if I use a d C L if I 249 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: have to turn the key on to activate the cigarette 250 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: lighter circuit. Then what's the point and trying to have 251 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: a memory saver it's kind of self defeating. So I 252 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: like we use the one in the shop from OTC. Uh. 253 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: It's a little blue box. I don't know the part 254 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: number off the top of my head. You'll find them 255 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: out online or tool topia dot com has them or 256 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: Amazon will have them. UM makes a good product. It 257 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: takes a beaten UM. You know, we've had the one 258 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: in the shop now, it's probably five six years old 259 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: from O t C. And they haven't changed it in 260 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: a long time, which tells me that it's a it's 261 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: a good product. They haven't any issues with it and 262 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: that goes in through the d c L and it's 263 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: it's worked just about every time we've used it. If 264 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: it hasn't, it's because the vehicle doesn't have that capacity 265 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: through the d c L. What's the name of the 266 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: tool um it's from O t C. You'll you'll find 267 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: it at O t C Tools dot com, but you 268 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: can purchase it online places. I was just on the 269 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: tool topia dot com website, which is you know, separate 270 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: from them. O t C doesn't sell direct on the web. 271 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: You can go to tool tool topia dot com and 272 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: purchase it there. I've seen it there. Um, I think 273 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: it's a hundred a hundred and forty bucks something like that. 274 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: Off the top of my head, um, little blue box. 275 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: It looks like a jump pack but smaller. Uh you know. Now, 276 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: the other thing you could do is you could purchase 277 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: a jump pack that has a DCL connection to it. 278 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: I've seen those out there. I don't know any brand 279 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: off the top of my head. And then at least 280 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: you've got you know, two and one. You've got a 281 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: booster pack and you've got a battery memory saver, which 282 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: sort of go hand in hand. Those are on the 283 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: marketplace too. When we purchased our our memory saver from OTC, 284 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: it was yeah, five six, probably seven years ago. Jump 285 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: Packs weren't as big a um, a big an item then, 286 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: and they didn't all necessarily have uh you know, the 287 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: combination of memory saver and booster pack, if that makes 288 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: any sense. Do you actually recommend using one when you're 289 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: just connecting to back Yeah, absolutely absolutely. Listen on newer vehicles, 290 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: we'll go one step further. If we're changing a battery 291 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: out of maintenance, we will depending upon how complicated the 292 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: vehicle is, and depending upon you know, how busy we 293 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: are in the shop. We're not akin to throwing a 294 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: scan tool on it and you using the launch tools 295 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: we use. We use a little launch Um, the launch pad, 296 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: their X four thirty one, their new nine inch um 297 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: Android tool. Uh, you know, we will take that and 298 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: throw it in into a system scan. You know. It's nice. 299 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: It's wireless. It plugs into the under dash connector you 300 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: can stand outside the car, bring it up, hit it, 301 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: system scan, walk away for five minutes. It'll skin all 302 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: the modules. And the reason I'll do that before I'm 303 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: doing a battery out of maintenance. If I do lose memory, 304 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: I want to know what codes are in there because 305 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: that's critical to me. I don't want somebody coming back 306 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: to me in two weeks, you know, since you change 307 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: the battery, Well, wait a minute, before I change the battery, 308 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: there's the code that was in it, because here's the 309 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: print and here's the time of day. And that's why 310 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: I do it like that. So it kind of ends 311 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: the conversation as far as ever since. You know, we 312 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: don't like ever since in the shop ever since. It's 313 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: a pain in the neck. Um. Well, the other one 314 00:16:55,480 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: last thing on this is that there's several uh YouTube 315 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: type sites. That's so the ones that you can make 316 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: you which you're way cheaper than what the OTC one 317 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: would be. What do you think about them making stuff 318 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: that works? What are they what are they using for power? 319 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: And where they going in the the d C l 320 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: or the cigarette lighter? There's both options. Uh they some 321 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: some use a nine volt battery, others use uh connected 322 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: to a car twelve volt battery. And then there's some 323 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: that uses a that use a plug in um you 324 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: know transformer that transforms the electricity back to nine volts. 325 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: Ever you ever you ever blow up a car computer 326 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: wallt not intentionally. So it's a great feeling, isn't it? 327 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: And And I guess the point I'm trying to make is, 328 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: you know what, in my mind, if you're out there 329 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying you, but the people that are 330 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: out there using YouTube to show you how a short 331 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: cut using a memory saver to maintain memory in a 332 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: car in a vehicle when you disconnect the battery, I 333 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: think they're idiots, all right, And and and but I'll 334 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: defend my argument. Okay, when you look at the price 335 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: of a module on a vehicle today, when you look 336 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: at the cost factor in terms of what it takes 337 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: to replace the module in addition to the cost of 338 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: the module, I don't care if it was five I'd 339 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: buy a memory saver because at least I know I'm 340 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: using the industry accepted method of trying to protect the 341 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: vehicle in the electronics. All right, you know, I know 342 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: you're a long time listener. Well, go back a couple 343 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: of months in your mind. Do you remember I was 344 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: talking about the associated jump pack and how that was 345 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: the only one to proved by General Motors and the 346 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: safety and the problems that they're having with jump packs 347 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: and modules. Same thing we're dealing with electronics. We want 348 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: to be as careful as we possibly can be. Hey, well, 349 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: if I appreciate the call in the Aloha babe, I'm 350 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,239 Speaker 1: runing any in. The Car Doctor could be back right 351 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: after this. Welcome back, n They need the Car Doctor 352 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: zero nine zero zero Car Doctor Show dot com and 353 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: you can stream the radio show from there. And trust me, 354 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: if you're listening on a local affiliate, you're gonna want 355 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: to know that, because come next week you're gonna be surprised. 356 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: Car Doctor show dot com. You can stream the radio 357 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,959 Speaker 1: show from there as well while you're straightening out your 358 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: radio station. That was a that a bonehead maneuver and 359 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: got rid of it. So along with everything else. Wait, 360 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: do you see Monday? Oh boy, I need I don't 361 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: need a hug. I know I know some people that 362 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: are gonna need a hug somewhere else. But I know 363 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: a secret. I'm telling you, come Monday morning, there's a 364 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: certain group of people in this country. They're gonna be 365 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: really surprised. You're gonna get blindsided when they turn on 366 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: their radio. It's gonna be like oops. So but um, 367 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: we'll say it's been a pleasure talking to them. I 368 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: can tell you that. So anyway, Um, what were we doing? Oh? 369 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: Real quick, before I go to the phones. Um, by 370 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: the way, if you google celebrities that threatened to leave 371 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 1: the country if Trump got elected president, there's like a 372 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: list of seventy people. It's it's we're not gonna have 373 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: anything to watch on TV. Thank god, we can turn 374 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: off TV and listen to radio. That'll be a plus. 375 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: I knew there was a good reason. So let's get 376 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: over and talk to Let's go talk to David online too. 377 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: I want to see about this nineteen two tractor. Really, 378 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: this is what the show has come down to. Sure, 379 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: why not? What the heck? As long as we don't 380 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: have to talk about six and twelve old systems, David, 381 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:43,719 Speaker 1: I'm game. What do you got? I got this series forward, 382 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: it's got a twelve vote battery in it, and try 383 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: to start it and it just turns over. And actually 384 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: I didn't get no spark. If you take the spark 385 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: blug war and pulled off the spark plug, it's now 386 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: spark coming out, take the cap off, and it's road 387 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: tating and put a new new rotor on it. What 388 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: didn't make no difference? So I tried checking the spark 389 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: out of the coal and it jumps like a half 390 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: inch to the you know, to a ground. And then 391 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: I tried a new cap on him, and the new 392 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: cap didn't look the old one didn't look bad. But 393 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: I put a new one on it and started up 394 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: and run for like fifteen minutes, and then what did 395 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: it wants? Did it wants start? And then when it 396 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: just shuts off, like you cut the key off and 397 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: then restart. And if you take the coal, whar and 398 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: pulled out of the distributor and check it for spark. 399 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: It's got it. And if you stick it up against 400 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 1: the number three three turrent number three spark plug terminal, 401 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: the engine will start and run. But I can't figure 402 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: out what's going on. And the road is good? Can 403 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: we let's here, let's do this, let's let's trouble shoot this. 404 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: I don't I don't care if it's a tract or 405 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: a car, a bus of you know, I don't care 406 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: what it is. It's it's an engine with an ignition system. 407 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: So you know, two things I want you to do. 408 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 1: Do you have a voult meter? Can you tell me 409 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: what the voltage is at the positive side of the 410 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: coil wall cranking? And okay, so we've got twelve vaults there, 411 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: and then there's probably no way for you to check 412 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: the ground side um at that point, because yeah, you 413 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: kind of need a scope to see a signal. But 414 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: you know, then the next thing I'd want to know 415 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: is do you have a spark tester or you're just 416 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: using a screwdriver? Well, I was using a screw driver. 417 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: Open crows and points. I got one of them testers 418 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: where you can pug into the second sparks on, you know, 419 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: between the war and and and and make a make 420 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: an estimated gap to see as it putting out twenty 421 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: thou volts, thirty thousand vaults that kind of thing. No, 422 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: they don't have where it's adjust for. I know, um, 423 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: that's where the spark plug. I can hold it in 424 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: my hand. It's it's no current at all comes at it. Well, 425 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: but my my my point is, and I get that, 426 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: but at some point, at some point, you may need 427 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: a spark plug tester for this, which will duplicate the 428 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: way the plug has to work to fire itself in 429 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: the cylinder right correct. So they're cheap enough. If you've 430 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: got an O'rileyoto Parts in your neck of the woods, 431 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: you'll walk in there. It's probably a twenty dollar tool, 432 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: a twenty five do tool. It's a it's an adjustable 433 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: spark tester, they call it. You can use it on 434 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: a car, you can use it on a tract or 435 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: anything with an ignition system. So it's a good little 436 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: thing to have in the toolbox. You might even be 437 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: able to find it at their website. You know, if 438 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 1: if you get out to o'rileyoto dot com, you can 439 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: find it there. So that being said, um, it sounds 440 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: like you're losing ignition after twenty minutes of running. So 441 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: my question is is the coil the issue here? Do 442 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: we have a coil problem? And that's that's one of 443 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: the things that that spark tester should tell us, because 444 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: that spark tester will load the coil. It's like this, 445 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: inside the cylinder, that spark plug is under pounds of 446 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: compression more depending upon the vehicle. Right, It's it's harder 447 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: for the coil to push electrical energy across a hundred 448 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: p s i gap than it is if you take 449 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: that spark plug with a thirty five thous gap and 450 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: put it out an atmosphere where there's less pressure than 451 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: just for it to do it there. So the idea 452 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: of the adjustable gap is you're gonna increase the size 453 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: of the gap and make the coil work harder and 454 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: duplicate the amount of stress the coil is working under. 455 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: When you've got a plug on the cylinder under a 456 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: hunter ps i versus a plug or a screw driver 457 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 1: handle outside of the cylinder working an atmosphere of about 458 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: fourteen and a half fifteen pounds per square inch, does 459 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: that make sense. Okay, So that's why I want you 460 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: to get a spark tester. So you're saying that you 461 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: will re place it works with the coil. The coil 462 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: will fire number three. Somehow it's getting lost going through 463 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: the distributor. Yeah, and I put a new cap arm 464 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: I can say, and no carbon tracks or anything inside 465 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: of it. And it's turned around, you know, and it 466 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: run and when I hooked it direct will run when 467 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: I put the new cap on for like fifteen minuts 468 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: and then just shut down. I'm just out of curiosity. 469 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: Are we sure we've got correct cap and rotor? Well, 470 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: I've tried two different caps and two different rotors for 471 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: that series tractor. It's it's basically it's one or the other. 472 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: It's this and this is a sad discriminant. Do you 473 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: have a cap that you think is bad? No, the 474 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: cap stock are just facial looking at him. Well, the 475 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: reason I was asking is I'm just just thinking outside 476 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: the box. I'd be curious to see if you cut 477 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: a small window in one of the caps. Obviously you're 478 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: destroying the cap at that point. I'm just wondering if 479 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: when you're putting the cap on, are you lining the 480 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: button up with the center of the rotor, because if 481 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: if the if sparks coming out of the wire and 482 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,959 Speaker 1: you plug it into the cap, it's got to hit 483 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: the rotor. If it's not hitting the rotor, where's it 484 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: going Either the rotor is punched and it's shortened down 485 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: to the distributor shaft, or the button isn't lined up 486 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: with the button and the cap isn't lined up with 487 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: the rotor. Right where else can it be? Well, it's 488 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: gott got record uh sheel underneath the cap and it 489 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: helps denine everything up and put it into price. So 490 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: it can't it can't possibly be wrong to the side 491 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,719 Speaker 1: or anything cose it just fits together and that's it okay. 492 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: And and the rotor can't be too too low on 493 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: the shaft that it's got to be making contact with 494 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: the center button. Well, it's got like a piece of 495 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: metal on the bottom of the shaft. And I checked 496 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 1: and at piece of metal still under there, and it's 497 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: it tightens up the road or so when you put 498 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: the road and there, it tightens it up to the 499 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: shaft and it can't go down with so far you know, 500 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: it's design built. It should be in price now if 501 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: if you've got voltage on the positive side. Um, if 502 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: you were too. I wonder what you would see if 503 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: you have a timing light. Yes, I wonder what you 504 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: would see if you put a timing light on that 505 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: coil wire with a light blink on thet right on 506 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: the secondary on the secondary wire. I wonder if you 507 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: would see. I wonder if you would see that light blink. 508 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: And if you see the light blink, you know the 509 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: coil is discharging and it's making signal. Now it's now 510 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: you've got to get it through the distributor somehow. There's 511 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 1: got to be something in that distributor shorting to ground 512 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: creating the issue. But it's got the starter saline oil 513 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 1: on it, and it's got the four posts four postings, 514 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: got the two small posts and then the two big ones. 515 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: It's got the donation and then the coal. Can you 516 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: can you send me a picture of this distributor, David 517 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: don't have new computers. Um m hmmm, because I'd love 518 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: to see how this cap and rotor lineup. If you've 519 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 1: got if you've got spark coming out of the coil, 520 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: and tell me again how it doesn't start. We'll have 521 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: to put the cap on and run and when it 522 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: shuts down, But any other time you try, you crank 523 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: it over and the spark that comes out of the 524 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: coal when you check it, it's it's fair. But after 525 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: you put it into the coal, into the descriptor, the 526 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: war is coming out. You can check down and it's 527 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: nothing coming out. It's like it's not making connect. You know, 528 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: spark winning in, but it's not coming out. And my question, 529 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: is a spark really going in? Can we do this? 530 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: Can you check that with the timing light and tell 531 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: me and call me back next week, because that that 532 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: that much you can do. And then if you can 533 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: get your hands on a spark tester, can you tell 534 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: me where? Well, if you put that spark plug, that 535 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: spark tester in the coil wire, you know you want 536 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: to clip the ground and and across the spark tester. 537 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: Can you get correct spark? I would have to think 538 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: that system would have to make volts easy. Um, can 539 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: you get that coil to fire? I'm just wondering, just 540 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: a possible delty. Just try different coal if you have 541 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: one of the same. Right, if you have one, it 542 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't hurt you know if we want to swap something. Um, 543 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, do we have a strong enough coil 544 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: to go through the electrical circuit like that that somebody 545 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: put that system together and never put a resister in 546 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: it and the coal was breaking down. Well, I would 547 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: think if somebody if that system required a resistor of 548 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: ballast resist on the primary side, you'd be burning up 549 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: the points right now, let me ask you this, how 550 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: old is the condenser? Well, it was just change, just recent. 551 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: When did the problems start before or after the condenser changed? 552 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: It was just running and it just shut off like 553 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: he cut the right So so the condenser was replaced 554 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: as part of maybe this is the solution. Right If 555 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: you look at the points to the points, look okay, 556 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: they're wearing evenly, or they put it on more on 557 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: one side than the other, it don't show nowhere. Do 558 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: you have a dwell meter cap off and and rotated 559 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: it the points just open crows like you're supposed to 560 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: and the spark comes out of the coal. Do you 561 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: have a dwell meter, David? Yes? Okay, Um, if you 562 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: if you watch it while it's running, dwell looks steady. 563 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: It doesn't bounce around. Well, I've never had it running 564 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: long enough to check it. Well, no, you said that 565 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: you can have it running for fifteen minutes, but then 566 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: it won't restart. It only happen one time when I 567 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: was trying to start. I tried different you know, stuff 568 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: like Roger Button, new coal war and and you stime, 569 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: it still wouldn't spark the engine. Back back to square one. 570 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: Let's get a spark tester on this. Let's see what 571 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: that coil has the ability to put out coils? A coil, 572 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: all right, it's gotta put out spark, it's gotta put 573 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: out volts. So let's get a spark tester. Let's get 574 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: over to an O'Reilly Auto Parts and let's see what 575 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: that gets us. And you call me back next week. 576 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: Zero nine zero zero. The car doctors coming back, don't 577 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: go away? Well got her day, star, Hey, welcome back. 578 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: Why aren't any of the car doctor Let's get over 579 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: and talk to Danny Northern Maine and Susu a sender 580 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: and I'll see what's going on here. Hey Danny, let's 581 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: go what's up? Oh, thank you for the opportunity for 582 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: just purchased a two thousand three. Uh, let's send their 583 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: SeeMe as ann Voyage triplaz hundred thousand miles and uh, 584 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: it's this is very intimate. There are two problems. One 585 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: of them there's a slight it doesn't stall whatever. So 586 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: often I have a slight hesitation where it wants to 587 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: stall and it doesn't change the plug. This fuel filter, 588 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: um pretty much. Well, I didn't change the captain rotor, 589 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: but i've that's what I did change and it still 590 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: does that. The other issue is one its titles. It 591 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: has a slight vibration like a diesel and that. But 592 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: I have no codes on the engine, nothing at all. 593 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: And the fuel economy is great, that a card runs great. 594 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: But those are the two little issues and that I 595 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: can't figure them out anymore. Give you call the the 596 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: engine running rough issue. They did have some known issues, um, 597 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: you know, and again speaking from the Trailblazer side and 598 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: the Envoye side, because you know, the asusan has been gone, 599 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: I mean how many years in the country, so the 600 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: pattern failures aren't really there. I haven't seen a SUSO 601 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: in the shop and probably four years. The cars just 602 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,719 Speaker 1: don't seem to exist. But I can tell you from 603 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: the Trailblazer Envoye side of things that we do see 604 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: some issues with motor mounts, particularly when they're cold. Um, 605 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: started up cold and um, you know, put it in 606 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: gear and it's got a little bit of a rough 607 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: final let me ask you this, when when it has 608 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: this vibration problem, if you pop it into neutral, does 609 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,239 Speaker 1: the engine roughness go away? No, it's still there. It's 610 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: still there. So the engine is physically running rough. No, 611 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: it's not the engine, it's it sounds more like a vibration. 612 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: It's no, it's not running rough. It's a vibration, uh, 613 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: similar to a diesel vibration. Okay, I'll tell you what. 614 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: Don't go away. Let me pull over and take a 615 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: pause here, Danny, I'm not on any of the car 616 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: doctor will be back right after this. Welcome back. We're 617 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: on any of the car doctors. Let me get right 618 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: into this, Danny, you're still there, kay? So this is 619 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: a four point two in line six? Correct? That's that's correct? 620 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: All right? Is this coil on plug? Or this has 621 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: spark plug wires? This is coil on plug. Okay, So 622 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: you did spark plugs. Did you happen to notice any 623 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: signs of water getting into the back to spark plug wells? No? Okay, 624 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: I wasn't looking, but when I took the plugs out, 625 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: I didn't see anything. It has no fault codes. How 626 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: have you checked for codes? Used the scanner and I've 627 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: checked in I diding the check in the I didn't 628 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: come on, and of h checked and checked and all right, 629 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: So you're looking at you're looking for codes stored current. 630 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: Have you looked at anything in regards depending things that 631 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: are about to happen? That would be my first My 632 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: second question. My third question is, depending upon what scan 633 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: tool you have, can you look at mode six? Are 634 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: you familiar with the term? Yeah, you are? Can you 635 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: can you look at mode six to see what sort 636 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: of misfire events might be happening? In other words, what 637 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: I'm trying to determine is is this a misfire the 638 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: roughness that you're feeling, or is it something else unrelated? 639 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: So I'd want to know what I'd want to know 640 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,720 Speaker 1: what mode six is looking like. I'm still not really 641 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: at the possibility of amount. I've seen more than a 642 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: few mounts engine mounts be a problem with these. Um 643 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: there's also a bullet and if I remember right, for 644 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: the rear transmount, getting rocks in it as crazy as 645 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: it sounds and creating a vibration like your descro IV. 646 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: The thing is, though I don't know if that's normal. 647 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: When I shut it off, it has it appears, and 648 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: I can't to have like a slight dieseling. You know, 649 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't shut off. It doesn't cut off like it doesn't. 650 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: It doesn't cut off clean well right, And that that 651 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 1: and of itself could be something else. I wonder how dirty, 652 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: if at all, is the throttle body. I wonder where 653 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: fuel trim is. Is fuel trim in the window? Is 654 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: it encroaching the point where it's gonna set a fault code? 655 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: And I'd want to just know, you know, I'd want 656 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: to know what didn't have the latest software updates and 657 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: calibrations in it. Some things for you to do, Danny, 658 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: you got your homework cut out for you, and then 659 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: we can talk again next week to my friends in Rockland. 660 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure, Aloha. I'm not an ad in 661 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,720 Speaker 1: the car. Doctor. If the mechanics aren't expensive, the priceless 662 00:36:49,960 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: seem one