Speaker 1: Man, welcome back, episode fourteen. Coming to you from New
Speaker 1: York or is coldish ship out here? Man? Do it? Man,
Speaker 1: My brother Jack good to see to see my boy. Man.
Speaker 1: We got the one and only appreciate you coming in. Man. Uh,
Speaker 1: you're on the East coast, your East coast do man?
Speaker 1: Welcome back, man. Yeah, you started your career out here
Speaker 1: man early year. Let's jump right into it. Man. Something
Speaker 1: that I've always kind of been on your side with
Speaker 1: because I'm one of these similar type people where social media,
Speaker 1: I think people think because you can access anybody, you
Speaker 1: could say anything you want to people, and you're someone that,
Speaker 1: like I don't give a funk my status. I am him.
Speaker 1: But if you disrespect me, I'm gonna come at you.
Speaker 1: Tell me your thought process about that platform. I mean
Speaker 1: it's really simple. It's not like I mean, I like Twitter.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I see something on there that I
Speaker 1: want to respond to, I'm just gonna do it. It's
Speaker 1: not like a predetermined thing. I just kind of see
Speaker 1: scroll on it. I liked. I like the platform, and
Speaker 1: any chance I get to give somebody a piece of
Speaker 1: my brain, I want to do it. When you hear
Speaker 1: people say like, well he's Kevin Durant, Why is he this?
Speaker 1: Why is he that? Like? What is your what's your
Speaker 1: response to that? I don't even know what that means.
Speaker 1: Like you, yeah, like they hold you to a high standard,
Speaker 1: but they respect all your opinions to be the same
Speaker 1: way that they would think exactly. It's a problem if
Speaker 1: if it's if they disagree with exactly. So, you know, everybody,
Speaker 1: when you get to this level where you're that good
Speaker 1: at something, so everybody feel like that that they can
Speaker 1: tell you what's best for you. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like even from the team that I want to
Speaker 1: go to, to what I said from Twitter, It's just
Speaker 1: like everybody gotta everybody feel like they know it's best.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, you know, but I got this. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty good at being me. Yeah, I'm cool and I'm
Speaker 1: pretty good. I'm talking to my fun outa here. You know,
Speaker 1: sometimes you like fun? Can't you do it? What is
Speaker 1: the last time I score the bucket? Church League? Team? Fun?
Speaker 1: Did you like you got cut from the Boys and
Speaker 1: Girls Club? Like, stop talking because it's just like, well
Speaker 1: he should turn the other shoulder. He's bigger, Like no
Speaker 1: one knows how it feels specially on your love would
Speaker 1: have everyone attack a move you made. You took your
Speaker 1: happiness in your own hand. Okay, see, I love you,
Speaker 1: I appreciate everything happened. I'm gonna go funk with these
Speaker 1: warriors and instantly you become the villain, you know what
Speaker 1: I means. So to be able to have the strong
Speaker 1: enough shoulders, to be able to take all the criticism,
Speaker 1: and constantly it's still going on. I see if the
Speaker 1: slander is ridiculous, you know what I mean? So I
Speaker 1: mean people and me just being me and responding to
Speaker 1: stuff and interacting with people. I think the reason why
Speaker 1: all this ship is still going on. I think that
Speaker 1: a lot of the media feel like they bullying me.
Speaker 1: They want to bully me, and they feel like they
Speaker 1: found a little crack or creasing in my armor and
Speaker 1: they want to use that against me somehow, So they
Speaker 1: continue and just regurgitate the same old story is the
Speaker 1: same old storylines, and you know, recreate beefs with players
Speaker 1: that former teammates, and it's just they blew everything out
Speaker 1: of port, just like I see what you're doing. And
Speaker 1: and that's the reason why I don't like the media
Speaker 1: in the first place. Uh, And it's it's just if
Speaker 1: the shoe fits. I'm not just grouping everybody in the
Speaker 1: same thing. But it's just like it's a reason why
Speaker 1: I don't funk with y'all. But I know what you're
Speaker 1: trying to do. You know what I'm saying, You're not slick,
Speaker 1: and you know when I call it out, I guess
Speaker 1: something that sensitive guy. So now it's funny to say
Speaker 1: that because we're both on the other side now, so
Speaker 1: we see it. So I I take I think as
Speaker 1: a player, we have a major responsibility. And I call
Speaker 1: players on it too, because when Parks said that ship,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, bro like, as former players, you know
Speaker 1: what this ship is like. So don't let these motherfucker's
Speaker 1: hype you up and just saying some ship. I mean so,
Speaker 1: And we actually got into it a little bit of
Speaker 1: back and forth because I said I said it on Twitter.
Speaker 1: He hit me back on this ship and I knew
Speaker 1: everyone wanted us to argue, so I d m him, like, Bryan,
Speaker 1: got your number, but let's talk about this, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So, but what I was saying was,
Speaker 1: it's just like you can give Russ all the props
Speaker 1: you want, but you ain't got a ship on him
Speaker 1: in the process, Like I think today, like to show
Speaker 1: love to one, you have to shoot on somebody else.
Speaker 1: Exactly what I mean. Russell going back to Oklahoma City
Speaker 1: was a great thing. But you knew that You're saying,
Speaker 1: like I'm going to announce why Russell was the greatest
Speaker 1: thunder player ever. You knew that was a divisive statement.
Speaker 1: You knew that people would, Yeah, you knew people would
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, that's the shot at KD Like
Speaker 1: you know that. So my whole thing is like you don't,
Speaker 1: like you said, you don't have to do that. You
Speaker 1: don't have to in order for you to praise russellho
Speaker 1: gotta ship on me because that's what the fans and
Speaker 1: that's what that's what they wanted meeting in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 1: That's what they kind of like made their money off
Speaker 1: of the last four years. It's shipping on me. So
Speaker 1: like Perk, you just planning into that at because you
Speaker 1: want a job and you want something notoriety in your profession.
Speaker 1: But we were friends before this. We actually we actually
Speaker 1: played basketball games before. It's like, I know your family,
Speaker 1: so why are you trying to use that tactic against one?
Speaker 1: Of your so called brothers. So that was my whole thing.
Speaker 1: And then he called me out on Twitter to another
Speaker 1: fan about us losing in the second round. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: you're on the same team with me, and like you
Speaker 1: started and you didn't play well, So like I wouldn't say, well,
Speaker 1: Perk loss in the second round of myth is not
Speaker 1: we all did, But don't call out a teammate like
Speaker 1: we once a teammates, you always a teammates. So like, nah,
Speaker 1: I ain't no need na because I know what his
Speaker 1: whole thing is. I know what it's wrapped around. I
Speaker 1: know it's bigger and deeper than just what he's saying
Speaker 1: on Twitter or him you know, trying to prove a
Speaker 1: point he got, you know, he want to do something
Speaker 1: in his life and not get that. But I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to let people know that I don't really deal
Speaker 1: with Perk like that, and like when I when I
Speaker 1: get asked by my stances like that's how I kind
Speaker 1: of met you through Perk, and I'm like that should
Speaker 1: have been handled a different way, Like even even if
Speaker 1: you disagree to how you felt, he could have called
Speaker 1: you and y'all gott have had a different kind of way.
Speaker 1: That's when people ask about it, say, both of my
Speaker 1: little brothers, I really don't want to get a ball
Speaker 1: because they was brothers at one point there was potless
Speaker 1: at one point deeper than yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So like he and I had a chance to talk
Speaker 1: and we talked out I and gave the mutual respect.
Speaker 1: But like to me as players that they are able
Speaker 1: to cross over and they're letting us in this space
Speaker 1: right now, Like I think what makes us amazing is
Speaker 1: our and our authenticity. And none of these other motherfucker's
Speaker 1: have ever been in the locker room and know what
Speaker 1: it's like. They these motherfucker's up exactly, So we have
Speaker 1: a certain responsibility to always g coded. Behind the scenes
Speaker 1: is different, you know what I mean. I've heard bad experience,
Speaker 1: I've seen some experiences. I know what my experiences and
Speaker 1: it just kind of is what is. And the way
Speaker 1: I look at these is just like if they want
Speaker 1: to use me up for my game, I'm gonna use
Speaker 1: that platform. Like and capitalized. They always got the end
Speaker 1: the control. That's why it's good to have your own
Speaker 1: media outlet. What you control your own there. You want
Speaker 1: to tell your motherfucking story. Come to all the small yeah,
Speaker 1: come yeah, Jack is like this. Damn yeah, we're out here.
Speaker 1: Let's get back on track, man, Let's let's talk about
Speaker 1: where you are right now in your recovery process. Yeah. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm getting there. Man. It's been I don't even know
Speaker 1: how many months has been, but I'm progressing. I'm getting
Speaker 1: on the court. I'm starting some basketball stuff. Tired of
Speaker 1: watch you hooping with nuts on them doing the games
Speaker 1: on the court, doing nothing. But I'm working, man, every
Speaker 1: single day, I'm working, and you know, I'm getting closer
Speaker 1: and closer to being um, you know, back to myself
Speaker 1: as much as I can. You know, it's a tough
Speaker 1: ass injury. Man. It's frustrating every day just doing a
Speaker 1: small ship. You know. I'm I just like to you know,
Speaker 1: no hose bar, just go hoop. But you gotta prepare,
Speaker 1: warm up, to warm up, to get ready for the
Speaker 1: next thing. It's just like for me, somebody who doesn't
Speaker 1: understand patience when it comes to this ship. It's tough.
Speaker 1: How's it? How's it? Like? I know you and I
Speaker 1: know how much you love the game, just you know,
Speaker 1: sitting there and being away from the game dog. I
Speaker 1: know that's driving even crazy more than any It's stressful, man,
Speaker 1: it is, it is, you know, because I was on
Speaker 1: a good pace, you know what I was playing with
Speaker 1: twelve straight years of doing what I was doing. It
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I felt like, I feel like
Speaker 1: I hit Hall of Fame status early in my career
Speaker 1: and I just want to keep addinging to it and
Speaker 1: then just get a clean break like that. It's definitely
Speaker 1: stopped momentum. But you know, as always, you just you
Speaker 1: just you know, switch your focus a little bit and
Speaker 1: and redirect your yourself and see what it goes from there.
Speaker 1: But I learned so much in that in that time,
Speaker 1: and I can kind of apply to this new phase.
Speaker 1: So yes, that's what I want to ask you. What
Speaker 1: have you learned like sitting there and watching your team
Speaker 1: and where you can plug in and be your best.
Speaker 1: I just just just playing in so many different positions
Speaker 1: with the world. Yeah, I feel like it's like seven
Speaker 1: the court I played. I played so many different roles
Speaker 1: with the Warriors, and you know, I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: with the Thunder, I was just learning who I was
Speaker 1: as a player, learning how to figure, I learned how
Speaker 1: to score the NBA, learning how to just make basic
Speaker 1: reason the NBA, and then I got to the War.
Speaker 1: It's just like being innovative at real fast. You know
Speaker 1: how we play, you know, backdoor cut when presented so fast,
Speaker 1: you gotta make sure it's there or like we're never
Speaker 1: playing some of that ship. So just learn on the
Speaker 1: fly like that and just mixing those two combining those
Speaker 1: two experiences together and bring them to the nets. You know.
Speaker 1: I'm just looking forward to just stepping like you said,
Speaker 1: just stepping out on the court and seeing how my
Speaker 1: presence affects my teammates, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 1: then seeing how they can put me in position to
Speaker 1: be successful moving forward. Now. And I had a tough injury,
Speaker 1: your presence as a presence, Yeah, I'm telling I'm anxious
Speaker 1: to see that dynamic DJ and Kyrie. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: chake me back to the finals. Yeah last year. And
Speaker 1: I say sometimes as athletes, we need to be protected
Speaker 1: from ourselves because at the end of the day, we
Speaker 1: got that safe, you know what I mean. So you're
Speaker 1: on the brink of your third straight title, UM Finals
Speaker 1: MVP the prior two years. Tell me where your mindset
Speaker 1: was to come back and try to help your team
Speaker 1: get over that hup. I mean, as I started getting healthy,
Speaker 1: you I started, you know, having these pictures in my mind.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be like to come back from down three one.
Speaker 1: I know for a fact I was gonna get Finals
Speaker 1: m VP. But seeing you know Steph get that moment.
Speaker 1: I was looking forward to that or Clay, whoever it
Speaker 1: was at that time I was looking for. I was
Speaker 1: just picturing so much in my mind at that point
Speaker 1: of just great things happening. If I stepped back on
Speaker 1: the court and you know, started to turn that way
Speaker 1: first year started, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: I could tell I can tell you know, when I
Speaker 1: went back to the bench to confidence, my teammates had
Speaker 1: the whole organization, Like I could look down and see,
Speaker 1: you know, our fans and and E forty everybody just
Speaker 1: had a sense of like man were back. And I
Speaker 1: knew if the fans back in the bay was just
Speaker 1: so excited that I was playing again, And you know,
Speaker 1: it's just a life is crazy. You know, you can
Speaker 1: be on that high so fast and then a matter
Speaker 1: of seconds to go back down. I'm great for for
Speaker 1: it is funked up that I had to go through it,
Speaker 1: but I'm also grateful that I can experience it because
Speaker 1: down the line, I can be able to speak on
Speaker 1: how much it helped me as a player in the person.
Speaker 1: What was it like once you went down, knowing you're down,
Speaker 1: and then seeing Clay go down, and then the Raptors
Speaker 1: winning a championship, knowing that should have been your guys,
Speaker 1: third and brow. Yeah, it was rough. It was rough
Speaker 1: because I feel like throughout the season we could have
Speaker 1: definitely we could have locked in a little bit earlier
Speaker 1: for the playoffs, and I feel and I feel like
Speaker 1: and I feel like when we getting down to that moment,
Speaker 1: it was just like, damn it, you know, having me
Speaker 1: and play out and not not winning the championship out
Speaker 1: the planning for so long, just like that's just that's
Speaker 1: just how the gods work. That's just how the games
Speaker 1: work sometimes. And it's just like, throughout the regular season,
Speaker 1: I really wish that we'd have locked in a little
Speaker 1: bit more, you know what I mean. It had a
Speaker 1: little bit more game playing, a little bit more focused
Speaker 1: going into the season, so that like it didn't have
Speaker 1: to end that way, you know what I'm saying. It
Speaker 1: is like we waited so long just in that moment
Speaker 1: instead of like each game was important, you know, even
Speaker 1: in the regular season, even in the first round, and like,
Speaker 1: we waited for so long just for the finals and
Speaker 1: it happened that way. It was it was like it
Speaker 1: made me think about the whole season and as as
Speaker 1: a whole. That's a gift in the curse, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Because for them it was a five
Speaker 1: year run. To know that, Bro, we're gonna be playing
Speaker 1: until June every year. It's kind of a lot, you know,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of basketball. And I didn't realize that until,
Speaker 1: you know, until we started getting into the playoffs and
Speaker 1: we play Houston and it was just like, Ship, this
Speaker 1: is the third year of us making this run. It's tough,
Speaker 1: and so two more years before that. I know mentally,
Speaker 1: you know, training it's draining, and I got it, but
Speaker 1: it was like, Ship, it's right in our hands. It's
Speaker 1: right there for us to get a three p It
Speaker 1: hasn't happened in a while, so you know, it's that
Speaker 1: It's that point where I was like, let's just lock
Speaker 1: in and do it. Take me back to Oklahoma City
Speaker 1: up three one, losing the series, Warriors coming back and
Speaker 1: beating you guys, and then is we're all the brunn
Speaker 1: of this. I feel like happened. People were mad at
Speaker 1: you were up to one bounced to your career and
Speaker 1: your own and your happiness and your only losers didn't
Speaker 1: understand that. Ye what you're fucking supposed to because the
Speaker 1: business when they cut trade, wave whatever, it's the business.
Speaker 1: But when we do it, it's a problem. You take
Speaker 1: that to the West coast. Tell me what that transition
Speaker 1: period like where you were the motherfucking be loved. You
Speaker 1: were the next coming of who you mean, Like you said,
Speaker 1: you're your Hall of Fame status earlier you were on
Speaker 1: the way, so people like me and then Matternight changed it.
Speaker 1: It was See the Warriors were so intriguing because I
Speaker 1: always okay, see we played with I played with a
Speaker 1: lot of athletes. I didn't play with a lot of
Speaker 1: skill guys, not like shooters, drip ball handlers. So after
Speaker 1: a while my game started to grow. I was like,
Speaker 1: I need to change. This is before the season even started,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: play out my last season as hard as I can,
Speaker 1: and I'm not telling anybody I want to leave. I'm
Speaker 1: not packing in. I'm trying to win as much as
Speaker 1: we can and trying to end this out right. That
Speaker 1: was my thinking going in before the year, and obviously
Speaker 1: I had a few teams, but the Warriors as a
Speaker 1: team I wanted to play for because you know, the
Speaker 1: movement they had to pass and they let the league
Speaker 1: and assist we Scott Bursts, my coach, That's all we
Speaker 1: talked about is wanted to lead the league and assists
Speaker 1: and so playing with you know that team, that's what
Speaker 1: I was thinking about. So when we got to the playoffs,
Speaker 1: it's just like, you know, let's see what happens. We
Speaker 1: got a young team, we'd beat San Antonio and six, like,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a great win. That's a great win
Speaker 1: against the team I've been running through people all season,
Speaker 1: and you know, Russell had to make big shots. I
Speaker 1: had to make big shots. Andre Robinson came aloud, Dion
Speaker 1: Way to start to play well. So I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: we get some momentum and this cantern was coming on.
Speaker 1: Then we get to the Warriors. It's just whole different series.
Speaker 1: You know, they're gonna sell out to stop me. Me
Speaker 1: and they're gonna leave Andre anybody, but but I would
Speaker 1: leave and I'm just like in the house, and he
Speaker 1: was in the kitchen. He was, it was, he was.
Speaker 1: He was great for our team in that series because
Speaker 1: he can guard. But he he knew that he wasn't
Speaker 1: going to help us shooting threes, and everybody in the
Speaker 1: world knew that. So and it's easy for the for
Speaker 1: the teams to guard us when we got guys that
Speaker 1: not gonna from the three, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I was tired of playing in that system. I
Speaker 1: was tired of like having to be the only guy
Speaker 1: that can makee threes, make jump shots, and consistently make them.
Speaker 1: So my mind was already thinking about how can I
Speaker 1: develop my game more so than like the Warriors versus
Speaker 1: Thunder that robbery, Like even if that was a robber,
Speaker 1: I didn't give a funk. I just wanted to keep
Speaker 1: developing my game. And on top of that, we only
Speaker 1: played him one time in the playoffs, so I didn't
Speaker 1: really feel like a genuine, deep hateful the Warriors, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Just like they're a new fresh team,
Speaker 1: they on a rise. I funk with him and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna play hard against him. I know some of their players.
Speaker 1: It is with a is it's like San Antonio those
Speaker 1: years when you was on the team. I didn't like yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: Memphis and we played them. I didn't like Memphis at all.
Speaker 1: Like those are the teams we've seen every year in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, the Warriors, they were just like another team
Speaker 1: to me. So me going in and playing for him,
Speaker 1: it didn't matter if we'd have won or lost the series.
Speaker 1: I wanted to play there and live in the Bay.
Speaker 1: The Bay is it's like nothing else. I mean, the fans,
Speaker 1: the opportunity, the love they shot me. They still love
Speaker 1: you to death. Man, It's like a different culture. It's
Speaker 1: not like it don't even feel like you like in California.
Speaker 1: The Bay is just like it's like I can't even
Speaker 1: explain it. It's just like being there I really felt.
Speaker 1: I really felt like I stamped myself as a as
Speaker 1: a legend in the Bay. I mean, like you look
Speaker 1: at I'm not comparing myself to these guys, but guys
Speaker 1: at one in the Bay like Jay Rice and Joe
Speaker 1: Montaga historic. Yeah, I went back to back in the
Speaker 1: Bay is like ship, Come on, man, forever. Yeah, that's forever.
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of that. But tell me what it's
Speaker 1: like when you go there, Because we were there with
Speaker 1: one culture, and I got a chance to go back
Speaker 1: and see that culture, and it was insane, just the
Speaker 1: wanting to be there, that the energy starting at the
Speaker 1: top of new ownership. You didn't see the old ownership
Speaker 1: of the new ownership, and just the energy and how
Speaker 1: those guys all funed with you, funk with each other,
Speaker 1: and then if the chemistry carried on and off the court,
Speaker 1: tell me it's like being involved in that. When I
Speaker 1: first came to the league, the Warriors were like a
Speaker 1: lading stock almost, you know what I'm saying, until y'all
Speaker 1: came around and may and beat the mass. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It was just like that team. That
Speaker 1: team was like, all right, that's what the that's what
Speaker 1: Oakland is about, you know what I'm saying. Great, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that great, that grind with guys that on the basketball
Speaker 1: court that can play any position, that played like us
Speaker 1: before us really but you know, four or five small players,
Speaker 1: you know, switching everything. Shoot, he's just hooping, playing playing
Speaker 1: real back door, backyard basketball. But like once that team
Speaker 1: was done. It was like in between and it was
Speaker 1: just like Warriors, what is it? Yeah? What is it? Then?
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, so that first year I got into
Speaker 1: the league, and then right after that four or five
Speaker 1: years after that, didn't have our identity and didn't see
Speaker 1: the new ownership and then the build around Stephan Clay
Speaker 1: just their personas and this their stories and how their
Speaker 1: dad's played in the league, and it just it just
Speaker 1: it just changed from like we got some inner city
Speaker 1: kids who toughest, hell who who who? Who? Persona fied
Speaker 1: what Oakland is about too, Like some guys are just
Speaker 1: totally different, came up different. It was it's two totally
Speaker 1: different fields with the game of basketball. Felt like it
Speaker 1: was the same, you know what I'm saying, It was
Speaker 1: it's just how we came up. You know, how you
Speaker 1: came up, How you came up and the struggle and
Speaker 1: and and Brian didn't get to your position not being
Speaker 1: drafted early. Like people felt that, you know, they felt
Speaker 1: like it was every guy on the team from Monte
Speaker 1: to was as a bookie on that team as a
Speaker 1: book There was so many guys like everybody was just
Speaker 1: like some castles. Yeah, you know, what I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: they just threw together and then you come with a
Speaker 1: more structured environment with Stephan Clay and Draymond, they got
Speaker 1: drafted and groomed. They were just like it was just
Speaker 1: like nine day off the court, but in their stories.
Speaker 1: But once you you looked at the games, I feel
Speaker 1: like ship we played the same way y'all did, and
Speaker 1: we got it from you on Basically I just had
Speaker 1: some amazing motherfucker's. Yeah, y'all have something said. We played.
Speaker 1: We played the same way. The motherfuckers just made more.
Speaker 1: We just you know, so what you guys are going,
Speaker 1: you win. And like I said, understanding and being around
Speaker 1: and and and knowing Draymond. When that ship happened in
Speaker 1: l A, I'm like, yeah, damn Like I understand him
Speaker 1: because he's where's his heart on the sleeve, always speaks
Speaker 1: from the coffin most of the time. It's right, you mean,
Speaker 1: but the ship, he said, was over the motherfucking line.
Speaker 1: It was so how did that happen? How to run
Speaker 1: me through that? I mean, it really came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean, we the play happened. I was
Speaker 1: going to grab a rebound. He came and grabbed him,
Speaker 1: thinking he's gonna just toss the two men run up
Speaker 1: court and I'm gonna shoot the shot. The whole world
Speaker 1: thinking that, not just you, everybody thinking come off the pill,
Speaker 1: my nigger. I thought you would come off the rock
Speaker 1: right there. Everybody in the world knew he supposed to
Speaker 1: come off the road. Everybody knew that, and we all
Speaker 1: figured that that would happen, and then when it didn't,
Speaker 1: I was kind of shocked. And then I was just like, oh, Drey,
Speaker 1: like let me see that. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Like what you're doing? And then
Speaker 1: he turned it over like I'm just so confused at
Speaker 1: that point because he never ever did nothing like that before,
Speaker 1: and everybody on the bench was confused too. And then
Speaker 1: we came back. Then I just heard him screaming, and
Speaker 1: then I was like, hold up, and he usually screaming
Speaker 1: when he comes back to the bench, but what is
Speaker 1: he saying? Then he started going off, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: maybe it's because I was like fucking pissed that he
Speaker 1: didn't give me the rock, because I didn't say nothing.
Speaker 1: It was just in my body length. I was just
Speaker 1: clapping it, just like Clay had Clay was piste. Clay pissed, like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to us to rock. You know, you
Speaker 1: can't hit the house in the kitchen either. He us
Speaker 1: the rock and letters shoot the bit so man. Then
Speaker 1: he started coming off the top with all of that stuff,
Speaker 1: and I'm just thinking, I'm like, Draymond was actually my friend,
Speaker 1: like somebody I can call and I'm going through anything
Speaker 1: like yo, bro come through, like bro, let's hang out
Speaker 1: tonight like and for him to say that type of
Speaker 1: ship to me, it's just stooped me for a loop.
Speaker 1: And it just really I just started isolating myself after
Speaker 1: that because I didn't feel like, you know, they suspended
Speaker 1: Draymond and it's just like they had to so it
Speaker 1: won't look bad to everybody else. And then nobody talked
Speaker 1: to me about it or really like we never really
Speaker 1: came to an agreement that we didn't even we didn't
Speaker 1: even voice O. Nobody hasn't hold because it happened in
Speaker 1: front of the whole team, and nobody really talked about it.
Speaker 1: We just swept under the rug. And to me, it's
Speaker 1: just like we're a family, were posted like even if
Speaker 1: he said that we can move past it. Let's all
Speaker 1: talk about it. Let's just say how we all felt
Speaker 1: about that moment, because that's a huge moment in this
Speaker 1: whole dynasty. Like you know what I mean, don't just
Speaker 1: sweeping under the rug because we want to win. That's
Speaker 1: the reason why we're not gonna win, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So I was like, let's just all talk
Speaker 1: about this. It's not that big of a deal, like
Speaker 1: just put out on the table. We can move past it.
Speaker 1: And when that didn't happen, now just like fuck it,
Speaker 1: let me just hoop worry about myself, and we went on.
Speaker 1: We'll see that. I think that probably hurt y'all because
Speaker 1: if you A would have came out and he would
Speaker 1: have heard more people saying, Bro, you should have passed
Speaker 1: the ball, Bro, you should have passed the ball, I
Speaker 1: think he would have came outside of himself and realized, like,
Speaker 1: you know what made I overreacting? Yeah, he never got
Speaker 1: a chance to say that. Yeah, I mean Draymond. We
Speaker 1: all know what Draymond is. And it's like, it's not
Speaker 1: it's fine that you can that you want to do
Speaker 1: that and you want to show your emotions and when
Speaker 1: when you sleep, that's fine, But when it's over the
Speaker 1: line sometime, let's just talk about it so next time
Speaker 1: you can tend to tone it down just a bit.
Speaker 1: And I feel like we didn't had an opportunity to
Speaker 1: do so because we were so focused on trying to
Speaker 1: just move forward and win. And I get that too,
Speaker 1: But it's like if we're a family and we're gonna
Speaker 1: ash it out and then we're gonna move forward to yeah,
Speaker 1: we we didn't want two chips together bigger, like this
Speaker 1: is just some ship we can sit down and talk about.
Speaker 1: Certain words gonna come out to like we brothers and
Speaker 1: I got into it. I got the fist fights my
Speaker 1: brothers with certain words. You don't say, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Certain words you they're saying. You know when
Speaker 1: that line is Well, I think he realized that too.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, I think us know what.
Speaker 1: We we all know. My think he realized he funked
Speaker 1: up in. But that's what kind of dude is. But
Speaker 1: that even makes the point more like, let's motherfucker's sit
Speaker 1: down have and really talk about this all of us.
Speaker 1: Me and him sat down and talked about it, and
Speaker 1: we kind of, you know, I gave him my piece
Speaker 1: on it. He told me how he felt on it.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, it happened in front of the whole team.
Speaker 1: That's everybody, So everybody got to talk about because everybody
Speaker 1: fun with each other. It wasn't like he was forcing it.
Speaker 1: Everybody really fun with each other, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So let's sit down. And then again, everybody was thinking
Speaker 1: you were passing the bro and they just they just
Speaker 1: played everybody in the world. I thought you was coming
Speaker 1: over Rock and you was wrong. Just to met you
Speaker 1: was wrong. That's and that's what and that's the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I think. I think that he had too much pride
Speaker 1: and the fact that he turned it over and that
Speaker 1: made him react that way. Yeah, but we know ship
Speaker 1: turnovers happening on the team. Nobody really cared if we
Speaker 1: want to lost that game in the first place. It
Speaker 1: was just like we, I mean, we're in that situation.
Speaker 1: Let's just go ahead, trying to finish it the right way,
Speaker 1: you know. But at the end, they nobody really cared
Speaker 1: about that win on loss, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But this too great coaches, when you don't get a
Speaker 1: shot at the end of the game like that, they'd
Speaker 1: be pissed. Greg Papovich, he he'll sit your ads down
Speaker 1: the whole game if you funk up a play coming
Speaker 1: out of time, I don't get a shot up at
Speaker 1: the each Oh yeah, I mean ship that wou'd make
Speaker 1: anybody piss over game. I think the media kind of
Speaker 1: saw that as an entry way to kind of start
Speaker 1: dividing the The motherfucker's are so good. What can we
Speaker 1: start doing? What can we start developing to to chink
Speaker 1: this armor? And I got it like I was only
Speaker 1: there with y'all for three months, but I always saw
Speaker 1: to me when I looked like, I was like, this
Speaker 1: is this some cold ship? Man? The media is cold. Man.
Speaker 1: You paid attention to these motherfucker's. They're telling you what
Speaker 1: they're doing right in front of your face, but you
Speaker 1: can't do nothing because they blamor that ship up and
Speaker 1: put a ball on it. It was always to me
Speaker 1: k D and the Warriors. It was never the Warriors.
Speaker 1: Kevin Durans a part of that team, and I was
Speaker 1: looking at it was like, hold up, so d West
Speaker 1: came the same time I came, But he's a Warrior
Speaker 1: and I'm not. They no sense. JaVale McGee the same
Speaker 1: way like he's award like Ian Clark, he was there
Speaker 1: before me, but he laughed. He didn't win the second
Speaker 1: championship with us, but he's like and it made no
Speaker 1: sense to me. And I'm like, the media is just
Speaker 1: trying so hard to separate this staying just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: for what, Like you didn't do that with Lebron and
Speaker 1: in the Wade and Bought. You didn't do that with
Speaker 1: those guys. Didn't do that with KG and Paul Pierson.
Speaker 1: You didn't trying to separate them. It's like, oh, why
Speaker 1: is it? Why are you trying to separate me from
Speaker 1: the rest of the team, And you actually are making
Speaker 1: this your job, your duty to do so is to
Speaker 1: push this narrative every day. People call me while for
Speaker 1: calling it out, but I'm just like, no, I think
Speaker 1: it's corny. It is what it is. In fact, you
Speaker 1: speak on and make sure, like you said, the fact,
Speaker 1: you speak on the bullshit and you see it, you're bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. It was just like, I'm exactly this person.
Speaker 1: But I'm just supposed to Yeah, I'm one of the
Speaker 1: greatest players ever to play. I'm just supposed to let
Speaker 1: it go what you want me to do because you're
Speaker 1: supposed to be messengers to the fans, and they're looking
Speaker 1: at y'all. Y'all can easily like brainwash people with you'll
Speaker 1: bullshit and it's not about you. You immediately got nobody
Speaker 1: here is about you. It's not about you. It's about
Speaker 1: you go out of it trying to put your whole
Speaker 1: style and flare on something that got nothing to do
Speaker 1: with you. This game gonna be here before, this game
Speaker 1: was here before you is gonna be here way outter you.
Speaker 1: So nobody cares about you. They don't care about me
Speaker 1: that much. In forty years, fifty years, they're gonna lose
Speaker 1: that next thing, you know, like get out the win.
Speaker 1: That's why it's so important now because you think back
Speaker 1: in the day pre social media, whatever they put out
Speaker 1: is the truth, and we never had a platform, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So that's why I love it
Speaker 1: when you're out here. I didn't like to use the
Speaker 1: burner fe I would have said, Kevin to grand motherfucker,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cush you out. You talk some ship. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna talk some ship. I'm gonna speak my mind. I'm
Speaker 1: still gonna do the burner thing. I'm still still on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's some ship that you just gotta But I'm saying,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, bro, I'm saying, if I'm you, like
Speaker 1: you know, if you come from me, I'm coming back.
Speaker 1: So certain people, I'm gonna come back on my regular account.
Speaker 1: But if I'm trying to do my thing, it's like
Speaker 1: I got the burners feel out there. I just stepped
Speaker 1: up that one time I slipped though, So talk to
Speaker 1: me about when you When did you know that your
Speaker 1: time and going the state was up? I mean I knew.
Speaker 1: I knew just about halfway pointing through the year. I
Speaker 1: mean I just I could feel that, I could feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a separation between the two. It feel
Speaker 1: like everybody was just waiting on me to make a
Speaker 1: decision on free agency, even you know, from the coaches
Speaker 1: to my teammates to the media. It's like everything throughout
Speaker 1: the KD like what you're gonna do. It's like January
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, I'm just trying to hoop.
Speaker 1: That's all I want to do is play basketball every day.
Speaker 1: I came in every single day and kept my head down.
Speaker 1: I didn't say much. I wasn't too excited about much.
Speaker 1: So my coaches and my teammates thought something was wrong
Speaker 1: with me, but I was just like, I'm really focused
Speaker 1: on the end goal, which was the win the third
Speaker 1: championship a row. And my methods may not like be
Speaker 1: welcoming to other people, but it's just how I do things,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, how I approached the game.
Speaker 1: And but for the most part, I really enjoyed my
Speaker 1: time there. I learned a lot about myself. I learned
Speaker 1: a lot about the game of basketball, a lot about
Speaker 1: teamwork and camaraderie that I didn't know. I learned about coaching.
Speaker 1: I learned about we've been in a new arena. I
Speaker 1: learned about the business side of the game. Like having
Speaker 1: dinners with Rick Wolkes was like fucking phenomenal to me.
Speaker 1: Like me and Bob were like this, We still like
Speaker 1: this to this day, The respect that I got for
Speaker 1: Steph and Clay, Like We're gonna be one day and
Speaker 1: be fucking playing golf with stuff at some point in
Speaker 1: my life talking about these three years that like that
Speaker 1: that run that we had in debate, Like I'm not
Speaker 1: the one that like how to grudge or be mad
Speaker 1: or just or not even talk about what we did.
Speaker 1: It's gonna always be on the topic of conversation. Everything
Speaker 1: that I learned and go to the state is always
Speaker 1: gonna be at the top of my mind when I'm
Speaker 1: talking basketball. Don't matter if I play there or not.
Speaker 1: I just happened to want to play for another team.
Speaker 1: It just is what it is. We did you ever
Speaker 1: consider anywhere else? Uh? Not really? I looked at other places,
Speaker 1: like the Clippers, and I mean I took a peek
Speaker 1: at the Knicks, you know, like just because you know,
Speaker 1: just to do my due diligence, but like, I really
Speaker 1: wanted to play for the Black and White. I like
Speaker 1: the brand. I like Brooklyn was a new, up and
Speaker 1: coming city that needed some new flare, uh you know,
Speaker 1: new basketball injection because being in Oklahoma City, I know
Speaker 1: that was like having a new franchise around. So I'm like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I was excited about hopefully doing something like
Speaker 1: that again in Brooklyn, you know, with the new team
Speaker 1: playing with Kyrie Irvan who's from Jersey and got that
Speaker 1: tied with the Jersey side of things. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: we could bring its Like it's like we gotta we
Speaker 1: had a solid thing going, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and you know, Sean Marx, who was a young GM
Speaker 1: up and coming young team that had some experience a
Speaker 1: little bit in the playoffs, it just kind of all
Speaker 1: worked out. And and having a couple of trainers and
Speaker 1: you know how that goes coaches that I worked with
Speaker 1: and okay, see worked with you know, throughout my time
Speaker 1: in the league. They just all, you know, felt like
Speaker 1: they migrated to the nets and you know, yeah, it
Speaker 1: just it just felt like it was perfect. Talk about
Speaker 1: how it came about to become a Kyrie and then
Speaker 1: to have DJ join you, how did that? How was
Speaker 1: that orchestrating? However, conversations with Kyrie for the last two years,
Speaker 1: you know, not even about playing together, but just yeah,
Speaker 1: just brothers. And you know, we didn't plan on playing together.
Speaker 1: We played each other and couple my second year with
Speaker 1: the Warriors, and we had a mutual friend and we
Speaker 1: had some wine together and we just bonded on just
Speaker 1: life in general and and basketball in general. And that's
Speaker 1: just form. And over time his situation he didn't like
Speaker 1: what his situation was at and me either, and go
Speaker 1: to State and then's just like, hey man, that's just
Speaker 1: to see how this will work. Let's try it out.
Speaker 1: And DJ wanted to play with us to be you know,
Speaker 1: he wanted to know I just played be that center
Speaker 1: forward that can kind of hold it down and you know,
Speaker 1: play for something, really play for a team that's going
Speaker 1: somewhere and not just keep moving around and bouncing around
Speaker 1: the league. So we knew would be a vital piece
Speaker 1: for is going forward, not even just as a star,
Speaker 1: but you know, you know, so it just worked out.
Speaker 1: Talk about your relationship with Kyrie, Like as far as
Speaker 1: what you think you guys will be on the court,
Speaker 1: I mean, you have people don't understand how important chemistry is. So,
Speaker 1: like you said, you're developing that real friendship already. So
Speaker 1: then when you go like Jack was my brother so
Speaker 1: on the court, I'm gonna run through a motherfucker off
Speaker 1: for So you just know what you have off the court,
Speaker 1: imagine what it's going to be like on the court. Yeah. Man,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. I mean, we both want to challenge
Speaker 1: each other. You know, we don't agree on everything. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to. Yeah, exactly. You know how brothers
Speaker 1: ares like when I see him out there, I feel
Speaker 1: like he could be doing more. I'm gonna let him
Speaker 1: know when he feels like now, I can't. You don't
Speaker 1: know what I what I see and feel out there.
Speaker 1: I understand that too. But my thing with Kyrie is
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let him be who he is. He's
Speaker 1: a pure artist of the game, and he's proving himself
Speaker 1: on the biggest stage and in my opinion, made the
Speaker 1: biggest shot of all time. So for somebody like that,
Speaker 1: I can't tell him what to do, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna kind of work with him and see how
Speaker 1: we can come together and make this thing work for
Speaker 1: the whole group. But he's somebody that can control and
Speaker 1: take over a game. Incredible that he's just about anybody
Speaker 1: who's ever played. So a lot of people want to
Speaker 1: talk about who he is at his mentality, but if
Speaker 1: you just watch him on the basketball court, you can't
Speaker 1: deny it makes you feel what you're watching play now,
Speaker 1: knowing that you're growing as a player, growing in your mentality,
Speaker 1: your approach. When you hear him say that off the
Speaker 1: wall ship, even though what some of what he said
Speaker 1: is true to me, I think you take that to management.
Speaker 1: But when you put it to the media and you
Speaker 1: let the media start cracking and doing what the media does.
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts on that being an older player
Speaker 1: seeing that now? But you know him, no, like you
Speaker 1: know him so you know exactly what. He from a
Speaker 1: good place, you know what I mean. You have to
Speaker 1: be in that type of ship. Exactly what he's saying.
Speaker 1: It's not malicious. But I hadn't been around to him.
Speaker 1: I didn't. There was some bullshit ass motherfucker's on my team,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And sometimes they don't understand
Speaker 1: what the coach saying. So sometimes you gotta either be
Speaker 1: little him in the media or just attacked him personally,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, if you want to win,
Speaker 1: or just be sorry that the I just think I
Speaker 1: just think Kyrie just I mean, I didn't care. I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody on our team did. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think anybody cared like man
Speaker 1: like because everybody see what who Kyrie is. That's a
Speaker 1: challenge to me. Yeah, like yeah, anything, yeah, if anything,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they looked at it that way. But we
Speaker 1: know Kyrie. So every day when he comes in like
Speaker 1: he doesn't he doesn't look too He's not a dick
Speaker 1: in the locker room, like he's just he's a solid
Speaker 1: as teammate. He's not doing too much, he's not He's
Speaker 1: doing just enough as a teammate. So with him saying that,
Speaker 1: just like he cared about what this group is going,
Speaker 1: That's how I looked at it, and our teammates, you know,
Speaker 1: all everybody on the team, we just just kept it
Speaker 1: pushing because we know what the media is about. We
Speaker 1: know people just don't like Kyrie as a person. So
Speaker 1: whatever he said, it's gonna be blown up and it's
Speaker 1: gonna look like he's being a bad teammate because that's
Speaker 1: his his rap. We get it. We know. It's not
Speaker 1: like it's not like you're saying something that that's new,
Speaker 1: like Kyrie is a shitty teammate. Of course you're gonna
Speaker 1: say that, But I don't we don't see that. I
Speaker 1: don't see that. Nobody's never heard one of his teammates
Speaker 1: say that. One never. It's just his methods and how
Speaker 1: he talks to the media is different than different the
Speaker 1: rest of the guys in the league. And you can't,
Speaker 1: like I said that, media got such a huge platform
Speaker 1: that they can pretty much brainwash people to think and
Speaker 1: Kyrie is a horrible person because they don't like how
Speaker 1: he talks to them. Like I said, it ain't about y'all.
Speaker 1: What's the vibe in the relationship. Like with the young
Speaker 1: the Vert, then with the Harris all good young talent
Speaker 1: to do you guys got Yeah, I'm just think of
Speaker 1: the group a little bird. We call him Vert. But man,
Speaker 1: we at this point, these guys understand what what is,
Speaker 1: what's coming right, what the expectations are for us as
Speaker 1: a group. We're having a championship mentality. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying we're guaranteeing no chip, but we're gonna get
Speaker 1: there easy. But we know when we step on that court,
Speaker 1: are you know, uh, we gotta come with that DNA.
Speaker 1: Every play has to be championship mentality. Every movement that
Speaker 1: we make, every scout report that we go over has
Speaker 1: to be looked at it as as if there's a
Speaker 1: championship mentality. It's a process, and we know how tough
Speaker 1: that is every single day. So I think everybody on
Speaker 1: our team is getting used to that. And at the
Speaker 1: same time, we're struggling sometimes and we have our ups
Speaker 1: and downs. But I think all these young dudes getting
Speaker 1: some great experience. I don't want calling all these all
Speaker 1: all my teammates are getting a great experience, and and
Speaker 1: no one is liked to have two guys that can that.
Speaker 1: They're just waiting, you know, especially me, you know, coming
Speaker 1: and not playing like they know that. Once I get
Speaker 1: out on the court, things are going. Yeah. People are
Speaker 1: gonna be started putting that be in that right positions.
Speaker 1: We're gonna start to figure out what the team looks like.
Speaker 1: So I think everybody just patient. I'm getting out of patience.
Speaker 1: But I'm being paid too. I can't wait to see
Speaker 1: you DJ and Carrie together, how that dynamic? I I
Speaker 1: just think, you know, I've always any time I see it,
Speaker 1: I think the plate of a certain play with a
Speaker 1: pick and roll with you and DJ and he rolling
Speaker 1: you coming out of the corner. How can you stop?
Speaker 1: That's how Bread and Knight an That's how Bread and
Speaker 1: Knight died the same time. And Knight died. You see
Speaker 1: that now that we're talking about that. So I was
Speaker 1: the dude in the corner. So just imagine this. I
Speaker 1: was in the corner. So Brandon Knight came off me
Speaker 1: to try to stop. And if you see me, I'm
Speaker 1: in the bottom left corner. I jumped up and down,
Speaker 1: cover my face, and I take off running like I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna be witnessing. It's murder, bro. These cops are
Speaker 1: not about the question about what this motherfucker just did that.
Speaker 1: That man, it was the sickest ever. Yeah, that has
Speaker 1: to be ever. I mean, bron got Jackson Terry and
Speaker 1: that was sucked up to show the blaze here first,
Speaker 1: but he gaptized. Yeah, they both Brandon knife. His legs
Speaker 1: was in the air after that was like DJ came
Speaker 1: out of nowhere. He's a freak fucking athlete, bro. So
Speaker 1: I mean you know, I mean super strung. He's a
Speaker 1: perfect like you said, plug and play dude. He's gonna
Speaker 1: play his role. He talks on defense, ultimate teammate, funny
Speaker 1: good dude, thinks he's a black hippie like he fits
Speaker 1: in perfect. So I'm excited to see. Like you said,
Speaker 1: we gotta be patient. You know, coming next year, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a blast year. Tell me what it's like
Speaker 1: you you know you're at East Coast, dude. Tell me
Speaker 1: what it's like to be in a big city now
Speaker 1: in New York and living in business and just the
Speaker 1: energy that is around this city as as definitely big
Speaker 1: as rats. I don't I know you've seen one of them. Man,
Speaker 1: what it's definitely different. I like being here. I actually
Speaker 1: love it because it's it's it's so much going on
Speaker 1: and it's just so fast paced. You know, coming from
Speaker 1: California the least years and in Oklahoma and everybody in
Speaker 1: California's high exactly. It just feel like it's NonStop. MG. Here.
Speaker 1: I like getting up and going outside the seeing so
Speaker 1: many people moving around and get into some way, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's dope being here. What
Speaker 1: have you been doing? I mean, you've got a lot
Speaker 1: of goddamn off time now, Like, what are you doing
Speaker 1: off the court outside of rehabing your ass off? Making
Speaker 1: some dope ass shoes. Man, that's brother, that's really what
Speaker 1: I need. You know, we're gonna saying that second. Be fair.
Speaker 1: I've just been I mean, I hang out with friends
Speaker 1: just you know, it's like living a living the city life.
Speaker 1: I guess you know you what you're doing around the corner.
Speaker 1: I'm pulling up to go grab some of the eagle.
Speaker 1: You have a drink, go to the bar, Like it's
Speaker 1: just the city life. I guess you know. I've just
Speaker 1: been ran into any bad celebrity chicks out here. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: no ship, I need to come out. You need to.
Speaker 1: We need to stroll around a little bit. I'm with
Speaker 1: k D' nobody I can get not give her a
Speaker 1: k D? What do you think think about the you know,
Speaker 1: the piste off Knicks fans and you didn't Everyone thought like,
Speaker 1: imagine Katie going to the Knicks and this is and this,
Speaker 1: But you took the other round, everybody, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, you took the other route. So what do
Speaker 1: you think about the fans are just like, that's the
Speaker 1: media hyping that ship up. Man. I never came out
Speaker 1: and said anything about me wanting to play for the Knicks. Ever,
Speaker 1: I was paid advertising. Ever they to say that we
Speaker 1: know how to go now me I never said. And
Speaker 1: then when we came here last year, they had the
Speaker 1: billboards up and somebody asked me about it, and I
Speaker 1: wasn't too excited about it because I didn't like I
Speaker 1: didn't like it, you know what I'm saying. It wasn't
Speaker 1: I got something against the Knicks. I just didn't like
Speaker 1: all that attention when I was playing for another team.
Speaker 1: So like I never really was big on that New
Speaker 1: York thing. It was just everybody else, you know, the
Speaker 1: media and the fans and obviously the New York Knicks fans,
Speaker 1: and you know, they wanted a superstar to come play
Speaker 1: for them finally. But I never promised anybody I was
Speaker 1: playing for the Knicks. It was just all these stories
Speaker 1: that people like to read. So if they piste off,
Speaker 1: this is just you shouldn't be piste off at me.
Speaker 1: Just the people that you know ship that you're reading,
Speaker 1: those people who wrote that ship, they hyped you up.
Speaker 1: It's easy. It's easy to be mad. Let's let's go
Speaker 1: back to the beginning of your career with you, Russ
Speaker 1: and James. That mers Oh fucking believable. Tell me what
Speaker 1: that was like when y'all first kind of finally came
Speaker 1: together and started clicking. I mean we didn't get enough time.
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows, who knows who could have been?
Speaker 1: Didn't author you guys play together three years long enough
Speaker 1: to ruin my second ring? Oh yeah, because y're supposed
Speaker 1: to get that one that was supposed to be the
Speaker 1: first Miami we got. We got up to old y'all
Speaker 1: and something click and Rush's starts James, James two, James,
Speaker 1: the one on the road because Man Runs already had us.
Speaker 1: We had a cook those rooms down to open. James
Speaker 1: came along after that, and then we started switching all
Speaker 1: y'all ship, taking y'all all y'all ship then, and Tony
Speaker 1: Parker wanted to save the damn fun the whole ship
Speaker 1: off as usual. Tony Parker had twenty and ten in
Speaker 1: the first half in game six, how many turnovers he had,
Speaker 1: and then after that he was done. He was trying
Speaker 1: to get the m v P. And then that's when
Speaker 1: you didn't miss a shot in game six, and then
Speaker 1: couldn't get the pay after that, couldn't get the rockers,
Speaker 1: could get the rock and just what I remember, not
Speaker 1: only was I was getting the rock, he was killing
Speaker 1: and Mom's was over there in my ear, the hold
Speaker 1: him killing kill, the talk bad to me, your Motherfuck.
Speaker 1: We lost that game. That had been tough, beating you
Speaker 1: all at home. Game seven, that's what we was trying
Speaker 1: to least get to a game seven, US up seventeen
Speaker 1: in the first half. I'm like, oh, ship, we might
Speaker 1: not get to the finals. We're sucking around. But when
Speaker 1: we I mean that team. We were so young and dynamic,
Speaker 1: and we right when we hit our like we're starting
Speaker 1: to get to her peek with Trey James. So we
Speaker 1: didn't really get a chance to see how how good
Speaker 1: we've the guy, because that next year we was hungry.
Speaker 1: We was hungry to get back to that chip. Like
Speaker 1: we didn't care about nothing else but getting back to
Speaker 1: that chip. And that's in preseason like we were. You know,
Speaker 1: in the first few training camp practices, you could tell
Speaker 1: it was a different energy and then boom, all it
Speaker 1: took with you not to sign one of them, big man,
Speaker 1: y'all could have kept James, you know all it took
Speaker 1: for us to just sign them, just kept everybody and
Speaker 1: just give his motherfucking money because you knew he was
Speaker 1: gonna at least news, at least get back, at least
Speaker 1: at least making a robbery with the heat, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And then after and then when they
Speaker 1: have fizzled out, then right, it was your time. What's
Speaker 1: your relationship like with these guys now? You know, I mean,
Speaker 1: they wanted to make us so much. You and rest
Speaker 1: didn't get along. James is going you laugh, Russ is like,
Speaker 1: what's the relationship like with you guys though, because I'm
Speaker 1: sure it's different than what everyone thinks. Russ just separately.
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's cool. I mean it's it's not like
Speaker 1: it used to be like when we were you know,
Speaker 1: talked everything. I mean, it's more professionals, and these dudes
Speaker 1: got their own lives, they got family, they got kids.
Speaker 1: Well Russ got kids. Don't know about James. Maybe a
Speaker 1: couple might. Yeah, but you know, everybody living their separate lives. Man.
Speaker 1: You know you didn't with really three lives. Three stars
Speaker 1: in the league, you know, their own brands. These guys
Speaker 1: are traveling all summer and yeah, m vps. So it's
Speaker 1: like we're gonna a guard separate ways. But there's always
Speaker 1: respect because we you know, it was like when we
Speaker 1: all didn't had this notoriety, we didn't have this type
Speaker 1: of you know, accolades in the game. We was around
Speaker 1: each other when it was we really had nothing in
Speaker 1: it as NBA players, we had to start from scratch.
Speaker 1: So it's it's fun seeing seeing how how big we
Speaker 1: all made, us made this thing, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Because we envisioned that as youngsters, and and that's what
Speaker 1: I was about to say that. I said, one thing
Speaker 1: y'all do have in common is y'all all know what
Speaker 1: it takes to be great. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I think that's one thing to always keep y'all with respect.
Speaker 1: When you think about three courting and they all went
Speaker 1: on them to be m v P, like that's it's crazy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? When they all started, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like what if? What if? Yeah?
Speaker 1: They just met saying Swiss, switch damn right switch again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you're getting switched onto three. Of the best
Speaker 1: thing is with James though and Russ. They would eventually
Speaker 1: had to figure out how James could be a starter
Speaker 1: because we struggled when James started for US. I remember
Speaker 1: when we played job one time and um James started RUSS.
Speaker 1: James and me were one, two and three, and it
Speaker 1: just didn't work, you know what I'm saying. It was
Speaker 1: better when James had the command of the second unit.
Speaker 1: So eventually we had to figure out if we James
Speaker 1: would become a starter, if he was gonna stand at
Speaker 1: Janogli Road, which was way too small for him, right yeah,
Speaker 1: way more time out on the court and way more
Speaker 1: you know, way more controller ship. So who knows how
Speaker 1: that work, you know what I mean, But it worked
Speaker 1: out perfectly and perfectly individually for us. All that's what
Speaker 1: it's about. If you take a look in your career, man,
Speaker 1: you've played with some of the greatest point guards ever.
Speaker 1: Russ Steph, you're gonna play with Kyrie. Talk about that, James, James,
Speaker 1: I mean, league guards is just something always gravitated stars,
Speaker 1: even as a kid. You know, my best friend on
Speaker 1: the team was the point guards every stop. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm from middle school to high school. You know, me
Speaker 1: and Taiwana loss in with like this, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, roommates everywhere. You know, me and DJ Augustine
Speaker 1: still brothers to this day. So always like as a score,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody that's gonna get you that pill, like
Speaker 1: we home me from day one. So I always always
Speaker 1: enjoyed League Guards and I always felt like I wanted
Speaker 1: to play like them, you know, I wanted to seven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanted to be able to go through the lane
Speaker 1: like rusting. And you know I took stuff from him,
Speaker 1: Steph obviously, the way how quickly shoes three and his
Speaker 1: handling him get to the cup as a little guy
Speaker 1: like I admire all of that ship about point guards
Speaker 1: more so than anybody else on the floor, because they
Speaker 1: gotta be leaders. They gotta defend the hardest position. They
Speaker 1: gotta make sure everybody getting their shots. So like, I
Speaker 1: just had major respect for guards. Tell me who was
Speaker 1: some of the best teammates you ever played with? Course,
Speaker 1: now we only got three months fund up. Thing about
Speaker 1: not the part about it is, So I go to
Speaker 1: Golden State, I'm in the boogie ship and they trade boogie.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna make the playoffs, play the Warriors,
Speaker 1: probably gets smacked, but we're putting Sacrament back on the map.
Speaker 1: They trade boogie. I'm like, I can't do what I'm old.
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta make a move. So I'm talking
Speaker 1: to Draymond every single day. I'm talking to Clay Steph.
Speaker 1: They're talking to Bob. We want to but we might
Speaker 1: need another point guard. So it's back and forth, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I'm working around working out with my kids and we
Speaker 1: go to KFC and Steve hits me like, man, we
Speaker 1: just lost we lost Kevin tonight. Uh, we we need you,
Speaker 1: you know. So I come in. They plugged me in,
Speaker 1: but you made fun of me of the Step ship
Speaker 1: when I you know, I slipt, but I come in.
Speaker 1: I played my first game. We're rolling his first game back,
Speaker 1: like I almost break my ankle, and I'm pretty much done.
Speaker 1: So we never got the chance to play together on
Speaker 1: the floor. And that had been a nice, nice calm
Speaker 1: because we and then you Draymond step and Clay and
Speaker 1: y'all wouldn't have to teach him. He used to, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the selfish. We felt like him and were like
Speaker 1: I would say, we're interchangeable. It's like ship, it's two
Speaker 1: different dynamics. We can get andre that can kind of
Speaker 1: be the athletic fly make the passes and and also
Speaker 1: switch everything. And then Matt was like more still rebound,
Speaker 1: get your tip bounds and hit the three. And I
Speaker 1: felt like, funk, We're really about to sweeping all of
Speaker 1: this ship. And then I got hurt. Then you hurt,
Speaker 1: and I never, like I tell people one time, my
Speaker 1: missle was when I get suspended, like I'm going into
Speaker 1: the playoffs, I got a chance to win a ring. Finally,
Speaker 1: I know my career is coming. You know, I'm on
Speaker 1: my back nine and Katie's back, So I'm juice. I
Speaker 1: come out here my first two threes, and I then
Speaker 1: I go up and I land on someone's ankle. Bro,
Speaker 1: when I tell you my ankle exploded, you ran back
Speaker 1: to the locker rounds like damn. I tried my hardest too.
Speaker 1: I was smoking so much weed, hoping that best ship
Speaker 1: would make my ship go down ice and it rehab,
Speaker 1: like I gotta get back out there for these dudes,
Speaker 1: and I could just never get healthy. And then once
Speaker 1: I'm feeling somewhat okay, these motherfucker's are eight and no
Speaker 1: already you know what I mean. Like, and I'm smart
Speaker 1: enough to know, like you don't disrupt that flung and
Speaker 1: who you are. So I'm just over here running, getting
Speaker 1: ready in case something happened, staying in shape, being the vet,
Speaker 1: talking to Clay, talking the dudes when they need to talk,
Speaker 1: lean on me, whatever, And I just had to, you know,
Speaker 1: take it as a fan. So that's almost why, Like
Speaker 1: I when I tell people like that ship was given,
Speaker 1: I don't really count it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like that ship was a freebe I said, I had
Speaker 1: the best motherfucking seats, and I watched these boys but
Speaker 1: that was the best part. They was hanging every I mean,
Speaker 1: they was happening shootouts with this dude in the Western
Speaker 1: Conference finals, you know what I mean, And hanging with
Speaker 1: Steph and claying on the plane in the hotel. And
Speaker 1: you can't replace that ship. That ship was a real family.
Speaker 1: She was dope. Man was like, it's different. Eric Howser,
Speaker 1: come on, you knew back when he is the greatest
Speaker 1: dude ever all time. He's the reason why the Warriors
Speaker 1: are the Warriors in my opinion, just like that process
Speaker 1: of the thing together. Man, Like he makes sure everybody straight,
Speaker 1: your family straight. Like that's what that ship is about.
Speaker 1: His name in Jersey. Come on, I got to get
Speaker 1: a street somewhere. That's how big man. But back to um,
Speaker 1: Sorry I interrupted you, but best teammates I hadn't had
Speaker 1: so many, man, fu I mean, no coin cookie boy.
Speaker 1: My brother definitely so happy for him. But you know,
Speaker 1: you ship man, that whole war is my my thunder
Speaker 1: teams that any team that you have a run with, Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially if you go past you go to second round,
Speaker 1: like not just the first round run, you go to
Speaker 1: second round. We only made it the first but you
Speaker 1: couldn't tell us after the first round, man, but that
Speaker 1: was the second round though, that if you lose that
Speaker 1: first round, just like if you got to three weeks
Speaker 1: out of this summer, you funk with everybody on that team,
Speaker 1: especially if you go to a chip run like you've
Speaker 1: been like he was on, Like, you funk with everybody
Speaker 1: on that mom, So just ship just about everybody. It's
Speaker 1: like only a couple of people that I just was like,
Speaker 1: didn't care too much about, but like I always respected them.
Speaker 1: Good ship. I don't want it was a good I
Speaker 1: like that talk to me about because you're someone you
Speaker 1: and your man Rich shout out Rich riches back here.
Speaker 1: You guys know rich the other side of the game,
Speaker 1: Like you are really taking advantage of business, and I
Speaker 1: think that might have started. I mean, obviously you guys
Speaker 1: have a great team, but you know that's one of
Speaker 1: the main reasons you know, the Bay Area is what
Speaker 1: it is. That and then what you're doing in film
Speaker 1: and everything. That mean, that's tired of mother's talking about me.
Speaker 1: I'm asking for him. I got tired of motherucking saying
Speaker 1: about me. So I created my own ship, board room, etc.
Speaker 1: And other ship just so I can create County County
Speaker 1: coming out and County all that to tell you what's
Speaker 1: really going on. So y'all can stop making up ship definitely.
Speaker 1: I mean that's really what it is that we own.
Speaker 1: That's something that I could really you know, do what
Speaker 1: I'm done playing, like you know, tell stories how we
Speaker 1: wanted to tell them, give people our perspective on ship.
Speaker 1: There's so many platforms out down days, and you know,
Speaker 1: you want to figure out ways to separate yourself and
Speaker 1: make cool content. And we came up with the boardroom,
Speaker 1: we got PG County Docks. We're doing shows for Apple.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can go down the line on ship
Speaker 1: that we want to do and that we did, but
Speaker 1: like you know, but the course that we've refurbished and
Speaker 1: the communities that we help, I think that's really what
Speaker 1: it's about for us, alongside of obviously the cool content
Speaker 1: that we do, platforms that we created, just the impact
Speaker 1: that we have in these communities that I play in
Speaker 1: and that I lived in around these times. It's probably
Speaker 1: the most impactful thing that we can do. That that
Speaker 1: training camp you had behind the walls and working with
Speaker 1: them guys hoop. So that's it don't get no deeper
Speaker 1: than that. When you come from that, and you know,
Speaker 1: we got so many people behind the walls that I
Speaker 1: never get that experience. That's the Warriors did are good.
Speaker 1: They do a great job with that. You know they
Speaker 1: go to same quit every every uh start of every
Speaker 1: season looking at Georgy and it's not shining the right
Speaker 1: way on that. Yeah, so I went with them that
Speaker 1: one time and then we did the dock on it.
Speaker 1: We did the dock on from f s one um
Speaker 1: called Q Ball in Saint Quinn and that ship don't man,
Speaker 1: you know how the game just bring anybody together. So
Speaker 1: just speak on that more so than anything was though,
Speaker 1: so shot out many guys back in the jail to
Speaker 1: need that could have been in the there's no question
Speaker 1: PG County you're doing with showtime, right, so we got
Speaker 1: to shout out County dot coming so shameless plug and
Speaker 1: trying to get that money. But actually Morgan woton passes,
Speaker 1: you know, talk about that, man, that's that's tough. You know,
Speaker 1: the basketball communities and forget the best. The community in
Speaker 1: general has so much love and respect for Morgan Wootton
Speaker 1: and what he's done for so many young young black
Speaker 1: men in that area, not just black men, but just
Speaker 1: men in general, and you know, helping him get to
Speaker 1: college and just turn their lives around through the game
Speaker 1: of basketball. He impacted so many generations of people, you know,
Speaker 1: and to hear about him passing, uh, it was definitely tough,
Speaker 1: you know because, like I said, that's all I knew about.
Speaker 1: That's where all the players coming up wanted to play
Speaker 1: for was Morgan Wooten and go to the mathod. So
Speaker 1: his legacy is gonna live forever through his players, through
Speaker 1: his memories, through his family, and he's part of the
Speaker 1: basketball community and huge part of the community forever. I'm
Speaker 1: sure Hall of Famer you've invested in some dope tech
Speaker 1: communities coin Base, uh Master and Dynamics you have. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of different stuff going on where the hunger
Speaker 1: for tech coming. You're just always seeing it. You know,
Speaker 1: let's start from getting the newest video games, to get
Speaker 1: the newest gadgets, to get into the cell phone, you know,
Speaker 1: just progressing over time. You know, our life is basically
Speaker 1: run off of these things, and you know, so to
Speaker 1: get an up close and personal look on how this
Speaker 1: stuff is created and the work in the time that
Speaker 1: it takes to create these things, I think that was interesting,
Speaker 1: and moving to the Bay Area kind of gave me
Speaker 1: a real in depth look on what this really is about.
Speaker 1: And we just started building relationships and then went from
Speaker 1: them and attaching ourselves to the two companies that are
Speaker 1: really authentic to what I do as well and what
Speaker 1: we do at thirty five Ventures. So it's just been
Speaker 1: and that being playing for the Warriors, winning basketball games
Speaker 1: and having those people in our games. It's pretty easy,
Speaker 1: crazy to build those relationships. Nupplug, talk to me about
Speaker 1: your your brother Rich, that the partnership and love you
Speaker 1: guys have for each other, but also the friendship and
Speaker 1: and what he has meant to to your off the
Speaker 1: court movement and success. Man meant a lot, you know.
Speaker 1: So when I went over to I had three agents,
Speaker 1: two agents before the time I was with Pelinka and
Speaker 1: uh Aaron Goodwin, two great agents over time, and I
Speaker 1: just wanted to change and I went over the Rock
Speaker 1: Nation and Rich was the first guy to greet me
Speaker 1: and kind of take over what I was doing. And
Speaker 1: we just build that relationship over time, and we had
Speaker 1: conversations over time about what it would looked like if
Speaker 1: we started something together and we just did it. You
Speaker 1: just Win did it, and you know with the blessing
Speaker 1: and the from everybody that we worked with before, and
Speaker 1: you know, having that kind of like that teaching from
Speaker 1: with Rich had at Rock Nation and learning the business
Speaker 1: and learning just lifestyle and general entertainment, business, sports, loving sports,
Speaker 1: all intersting just how they all interstact. That somebody that
Speaker 1: was so well versed in everything world rounded and everything
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a part of what I did.
Speaker 1: So it was just it made sense of the time.
Speaker 1: What does the advancement and in mental health and this
Speaker 1: era um that players are more susceptible to talking about
Speaker 1: it mean to you. I feel like every player wants
Speaker 1: to give a deeper perspective on what they go through
Speaker 1: as as just men in general, and especially in this
Speaker 1: life with this profession. And there's a lot of mental
Speaker 1: hurdles and obstacles that you gotta run through in order
Speaker 1: for you to reach your highest peak as an individual.
Speaker 1: So whether it's the great times or whether it's like
Speaker 1: the low points in your life, I feel just hearing
Speaker 1: that perspective, it's only gonna help others. And yeah, they
Speaker 1: had a curse to talk about it in front of people.
Speaker 1: Is is a It's something I enjoy seeing for my peers.
Speaker 1: And the judgment is no judgment from anybody is really
Speaker 1: open dope dialogue when it comes to it, and I
Speaker 1: think it's a perfect time for it. What does it
Speaker 1: do to your psyche or your mental approach when you
Speaker 1: hear people talk crazy to you, disrespectful, negative? Like? What
Speaker 1: does that do I mean to be who you are?
Speaker 1: Like we talked about earlier, people think you just turn
Speaker 1: your back, you choose not to which I respect or
Speaker 1: what does it due to you when you just always here?
Speaker 1: Because people don't really know you, They know the player,
Speaker 1: and that's what they don't like, to be able to
Speaker 1: separate the player in the person. What does it mean
Speaker 1: to you as the person when if they knew you,
Speaker 1: they would really funk with you. But they don't. They
Speaker 1: know the players and they want to hate on you.
Speaker 1: It just all depends an environment. You know. If I'm
Speaker 1: out on the street, nobody's ever walked up to me
Speaker 1: in disrespect, nothing like that. Everybody coming up and calling
Speaker 1: me a bit in my face or saying anything disrespect
Speaker 1: you to anybody on with because I don't give off
Speaker 1: that in you. You know what I'm saying I don't
Speaker 1: come off as if I'm bigger in life or you know,
Speaker 1: you owe me anything, So I don't get that in person.
Speaker 1: But on the internet it's different. You know, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get all types of sh on the internet, and that
Speaker 1: is what it is. It's fun. Everybody uses that that
Speaker 1: that that place to kind of get off that anger
Speaker 1: that they always had, you know, and I wish they
Speaker 1: would never sing in person. So it's like, I get
Speaker 1: what you're using it for. But at games, when fans
Speaker 1: heck with me and talk about me and called me
Speaker 1: all types of names and tell me I got the
Speaker 1: worst hair and the lead that ship powers me up.
Speaker 1: It makes me feel like I'm the best player in
Speaker 1: the world because you come here to talk to me.
Speaker 1: I always obviously made you feel away. There's only a reason.
Speaker 1: There's only a reason. So you know, it just powers
Speaker 1: me up to another level. It charges me up. I
Speaker 1: like it. I enjoy it. I actually encourage it. I
Speaker 1: got some uh, I got some talking about your hair.
Speaker 1: I got some man's growing products for some dope ship.
Speaker 1: That d D whoever did Joe back? Yeah, always bullshit,
Speaker 1: he all the way lines. I'm telling you that Lebron
Speaker 1: gonna make the transformation. What's he gonna do is he
Speaker 1: gonna think it's kind of too late because he already
Speaker 1: got the back nine in the backyard, So that's already there.
Speaker 1: How can you cover that? So he just just just
Speaker 1: come home and go bad with it. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: I think eventually, I think the eventually dudes gonna go bad.
Speaker 1: I think that's the best bet. I think I'll be
Speaker 1: fucked up if I had to go because the world
Speaker 1: has seen the head push. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The world has seen the head band pushed their line
Speaker 1: back the whole and converted the whole part coming back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you wasn't glue down together that night. He make it work.
Speaker 1: You make it work though, Yeah, definitely, you gotta keep
Speaker 1: the head band the way the head band is too
Speaker 1: head like, you know, I mean it's too tough on Yeah,
Speaker 1: that ship is tough. He make that thing work. He
Speaker 1: definitely make it work. You got That's that's that's broad.
Speaker 1: That's the cage. Actually, when you hear people talk about
Speaker 1: because to me, at one point, playing against you, playing
Speaker 1: with you, it wasn't taken away from Lebron's greatness and
Speaker 1: his tracker, what he's accomplished, art his creeling when he
Speaker 1: continue to accomplish. At the current time, you were the
Speaker 1: best player in the world. Did you ever feel that way?
Speaker 1: I felt unstoppable. For short. I felt unstoppable because I
Speaker 1: don't really look at it as like I'm better than anybody.
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to look at it that way, but
Speaker 1: that everybody brings something unique and different to the table,
Speaker 1: and the circumstances and situations is different. Like you know,
Speaker 1: you never know, you never know how dudes, how good
Speaker 1: dudes it be in certain situations. So I know I
Speaker 1: got a lot of talent, and I know I can
Speaker 1: do everything on the court, and I knew I can
Speaker 1: play any role at an efficient and elite level. Whatever
Speaker 1: that puts me, that's whatever it is. I'm sure any
Speaker 1: coach in any GM would love my talents when the
Speaker 1: so like whatever that wherever that puts me? Man, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So that's how I looked at it.
Speaker 1: If that had been me to make that three in Cleveland,
Speaker 1: the finals, to win the championship, your mama, everybody, every long,
Speaker 1: what made that a big shot? Like that, I'm the
Speaker 1: best in the world. This is why I would have
Speaker 1: told everybody like I would have lost it. Man. I
Speaker 1: felt like I felt to feel some of that inside.
Speaker 1: I felt that. I felt I felt that like that
Speaker 1: that shot gonna always be there to remember. They're always
Speaker 1: gonna remember that, and if they don't, I'm sure everybody
Speaker 1: in the Bay Area is. And that's good enough for me.
Speaker 1: But you hit the same shot when you came back
Speaker 1: in the finals, that ship the top of the kid
Speaker 1: that saint walk up through. Oh yeah, that next season's
Speaker 1: cooking tubes. I ain't walk up through cooking. I was
Speaker 1: scared though, because I was in Hawaii watching. I remember
Speaker 1: one time you got foul, but you took someone off
Speaker 1: the drup and like, no, can't you just stay out
Speaker 1: on the feet on line and just shoot these motherfucking
Speaker 1: eyeballs out for the rest of you talked about this
Speaker 1: last finals. Yeah, and when you took someone fould you
Speaker 1: then then they stopped, and I just like, that's how
Speaker 1: you know, man, she get into that zone for you.
Speaker 1: It's hard to used to doing something. Yeah, I can't,
Speaker 1: Like I can't. You gotta go out, gotta go hunting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got the guy too, And I was like I
Speaker 1: felt good and have to go a hunting. You need
Speaker 1: some rest right now? It looks good as okay. I
Speaker 1: know he's like the first three that with it, and
Speaker 1: the whole thing is like, I like having those moments
Speaker 1: where people are gonna always be like, damn, those eleven
Speaker 1: minutes thought, those twelve minutes something. I like having that
Speaker 1: little feeling, man, because that's what the game about. Top
Speaker 1: five artists, come on. I mean, I'm just gonna say,
Speaker 1: Drake is creeping up to be the greatest. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can't fight. That's that's That's the only thing I'll say.
Speaker 1: Is there anyone else in the category? Jay Z is
Speaker 1: gonna be hard to It's it's always hard to compete
Speaker 1: against jay Z. He didn't he didn't opened up so
Speaker 1: many lanes and doors for everybody music ship. But when
Speaker 1: I listened to music and listen to Drake is just
Speaker 1: hard to toan not what he got to say. We
Speaker 1: can talk about music like I feel like Wayne is
Speaker 1: a goat when we're talking about the lane and he
Speaker 1: created for these dudes. Is the only reason why a
Speaker 1: lot of these plut these rappers is in the game.
Speaker 1: Young thugs, same way, future, the same way, hold the
Speaker 1: same way, like Drake. I feel like they all on
Speaker 1: that same doors, open doors for everybody they feel. I
Speaker 1: feel like they unlocked so many different genres within hip hop.
Speaker 1: It's not just one thing now, Like I feel like
Speaker 1: it's all different types of hip hop, different lanes that
Speaker 1: they opened up, and so many other kids got these
Speaker 1: opportunities now and to change their lives off of it.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's hard for me to name a
Speaker 1: few artists, but like you like NB A young Boy, Yeah, yeah, yes, sir, Yes, sir, yeah, sir.
Speaker 1: I mean Kodak Black, he Da black Is he wanted
Speaker 1: the ones for me. Gonna like they one of those
Speaker 1: ones where I can listen to all day every day
Speaker 1: and really really respect them, like they o gs in
Speaker 1: the game, like them dudes young, but they really they
Speaker 1: get it, you know what I'm saying. The baby like
Speaker 1: you hard. If you can have one like song that
Speaker 1: you walk out to, what would that be up all time? Damn, Damn,
Speaker 1: that's tough. What's your rocky music? What's your rocky thing?
Speaker 1: That's tom I'm gonna have to go. It's got to
Speaker 1: be jay Z. It's gonna have to be it's gonna
Speaker 1: have to be public service announcement, jay Z, it's gonna
Speaker 1: it's gonna have to be away. Fuck, that's tough. That's tough.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with public service announcement. Then what would
Speaker 1: your Yeah some pop ship, Yeah, anything, pop, pop, hardcore, hardcore. Yeah.
Speaker 1: To me, he is because I think he had he
Speaker 1: had a song for every mood that we naturally go through,
Speaker 1: whether you're black, white, male, female, Like there's love, there's anger,
Speaker 1: there's happiness, there's kill, there's all the emotions we go through.
Speaker 1: That motherfucker had a hit for all of them, you know.
Speaker 1: I meaning to be so young and so far ahead
Speaker 1: of his time as far as vision, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and seeing what the world can be. But
Speaker 1: then and in similar ways, like he's speaking his mind
Speaker 1: against the bullshit he's seen. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so to me, he had like black protest music
Speaker 1: on top of like he was raised, Yeah, street ship,
Speaker 1: like love, you know what I mean? Like you know,
Speaker 1: to me, that's why he's my go to. Um. You've
Speaker 1: been name dropped, Jake, excuse me, Drake, j Cole, jay
Speaker 1: Z to name a Q. What was your favorite song
Speaker 1: your name was dropped in? Probably that Western Road Flows
Speaker 1: that Drake shout out the Katie, we related. We get
Speaker 1: the same attention, like, and that was back then before
Speaker 1: I was getting even as much attention as that would.
Speaker 1: That was okay see right yeah, like when I was
Speaker 1: just you was doing something together, right, Yeah, man, we
Speaker 1: gotta get back in. But I've seen the joint. You
Speaker 1: drop a little snippet, you drop you That was hard
Speaker 1: that Drake was. That's probably the best one. He was
Speaker 1: really really flowing on that on that record. But you know,
Speaker 1: any time any rapper, any artists can think about me
Speaker 1: why they're going through the process. I appreciate just how
Speaker 1: you word played that. That's how you really know you
Speaker 1: kind of made it. Though he crossed over to the
Speaker 1: entertainment side. When people you know, putting your name in
Speaker 1: wraps and then and they art, that is amazing. I
Speaker 1: appreciate it. So if you could have played in another
Speaker 1: era of basketball, seventies, eighties, nineties, what wouldn't be And
Speaker 1: why we want to see m J in his hey day,
Speaker 1: Like you want to get looked at by m J? Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: come in because he wouldn't at that time he is,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have played against a We got my length right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that actually shoot as well
Speaker 1: and get to score, you know what I'm saying that.
Speaker 1: So I felt like that had been a fun matchup
Speaker 1: and it had been tough to fucking MJ. Was he
Speaker 1: the greatest man and just to be on the court
Speaker 1: and just soak up that greatness and compete against that,
Speaker 1: that had been like some imagine Katie was Shaun camp
Speaker 1: and Gary Payton would have been a tough for the boys.
Speaker 1: That would have been a rain. That had been a time.
Speaker 1: That would have been a rain. Katie on that team,
Speaker 1: that would have been a rain. So that's when I
Speaker 1: started looking at myself a little different. Now. I was like,
Speaker 1: hold up, so if I could, I could start on
Speaker 1: that team for the Sonics, like I start on a
Speaker 1: couple of teams back in the nineties, and I feel
Speaker 1: like my game is trying can translate, you know, through errors.
Speaker 1: So you know that's how I start, you know, look
Speaker 1: at myself a little different after that. That's big. If
Speaker 1: you could pick four other legends to hoo put you
Speaker 1: at the park you're in, who are you other? Four
Speaker 1: shock m J code, I'm gonna tell anybody else. And
Speaker 1: the camera man one of the camera. I don't show
Speaker 1: him to that part where you're gonna be. Ain't nobody
Speaker 1: else showing up? Mm hmm my fifth my fifth guyld
Speaker 1: be probably probably t MAC part team mat. I say
Speaker 1: we just played. I just say we played two on
Speaker 1: twos and then hadd another guy maybe three on threes.
Speaker 1: But that team couldn't play against nobody that best player
Speaker 1: you've ever played with and played with some motherfucker's You
Speaker 1: ain't playing with Kyrie yet, So in the conversation, he
Speaker 1: can't be I ain't playing. Yeah, you ain't played with
Speaker 1: him yet. It's a tie between Steph and Russ. It's
Speaker 1: got to be two killers, two completely different game changes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Russ I never feared. I never ever feared that
Speaker 1: he was gonna he was gonna lose the matchup. I
Speaker 1: never coming to the game was like, OHRS, just can't
Speaker 1: handle this guy tonight, you know what I'm saying. That's
Speaker 1: one thing I never worried about. And it's like, as
Speaker 1: a leader of a team, you worry about so much
Speaker 1: ship coming into a game, It's like, it's all dre'
Speaker 1: gonna be able to knock down the shot tonight. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be aggresive. We're gonna shoot with confidence, is surge
Speaker 1: gonna shoot what come because they're gonna be into it.
Speaker 1: They're gonna make sure they're locking in on their matchup
Speaker 1: so much to the point you forget about yourself sometimes.
Speaker 1: And one thing I didn't ever have to worry about
Speaker 1: was rest and having that comfort and having that type
Speaker 1: of like, uh, just knowing I can have that ease
Speaker 1: coming into the game from the point guard. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was just like made my life easier. And I felt
Speaker 1: the same way with Still, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because like I know for a fact that no point
Speaker 1: guard want to guard him because he ain't gonna stop moving.
Speaker 1: So that's gonna take a little bit of energy from him.
Speaker 1: And he's gonna play with that dog where it's like
Speaker 1: he trying to destroy you when he was scoring, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And our game plan was to
Speaker 1: get him open at all times, and he's not gonna
Speaker 1: stop And so I can rely when you can rely
Speaker 1: on people and damn I and play to go. Put
Speaker 1: Clay in there with them to the Clay got the
Speaker 1: dog like authentically authentic dog like nose role. I'm gon
Speaker 1: knocked down this trade ball and get to the cup
Speaker 1: here and there, but I'm locking up the playing and
Speaker 1: like those three is a tie between those three and
Speaker 1: my favorites, because yeah, they made my life weigh easier mentally.
Speaker 1: So last question, Jack and I are people who use
Speaker 1: cannabis during our career and really try to advocate for
Speaker 1: it now. We feel like if it's used correctly, it
Speaker 1: could be very beneficial for athletes in today's game. Um,
Speaker 1: I know you feel similar with that You've invested in
Speaker 1: the cannabis company. Tell me what you think about the
Speaker 1: nature of cannabis and how professional sports can implement it
Speaker 1: into bettering their athletes and recovery. Well, I just think
Speaker 1: it should be taken off the bad substance lists and
Speaker 1: if you know, you don't have to implemented in anything.
Speaker 1: It's it's one of those plants that if it's an
Speaker 1: acquired taste, like if you love it, you love it.
Speaker 1: If you don't, you're not even gonna pick it up.
Speaker 1: So it shouldn't even be a discussion nowadays. It's just
Speaker 1: like marijuana is marijuana. It's not harmful to anybody. It's
Speaker 1: only it only can help and enhance and and do
Speaker 1: good things. You know, I feel like it shouldn't even
Speaker 1: be a huge topic around it anymore, Like is it great?
Speaker 1: It's it good for you? Can it help? Is it bad?
Speaker 1: But when everybody on my team drinks coffee every day,
Speaker 1: you know, and taking caffeine every day, or guy's got
Speaker 1: to have wine after games, we have a little drink
Speaker 1: here and there, it's like marijuana should be in that tone,
Speaker 1: like why are we even talking about it? It shouldn't
Speaker 1: even be a conversation now. So hopefully we can get
Speaker 1: past that and the stigma around it and know that
Speaker 1: it's done nothing but make people have a good make
Speaker 1: people have a good time, make people hungry, and make
Speaker 1: people just come together. That plant brings us all together.
Speaker 1: Great job, great job getting people out of jail for marijuana.
Speaker 1: That can be that's the next step, and we just
Speaker 1: keep going on. But it's a plant that's put here
Speaker 1: for a reason and it's all bring us together. Man,
Speaker 1: hopefully it happens, especially the NBA KD. We appreciate you,
Speaker 1: my brother, Thank you for taking some time. Shoes. Oh no,
Speaker 1: we gotta get back a lot. Oh we're not done yet,
Speaker 1: real quick, be quiet on his page. Here we go.
Speaker 1: So this is a special segment Katie. We like to
Speaker 1: call Jack some motherfucking beggars, but it's working out well. Jack.
Speaker 1: What do you need from KD Shoes? The shoes which
Speaker 1: once all of you? Boy, I've been posting them. You've
Speaker 1: got some new kicks out, but this my son. You
Speaker 1: know you something, my son some last ones. I appreciate
Speaker 1: that he brought them to my attention. You got his
Speaker 1: new ones out, So just what happened? I follow your boy.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of colors going on, even got inspired
Speaker 1: up a pair. I'm on all of them and my
Speaker 1: son need him. It's the biggest thing. And I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna tell Rich because he's behind the camera. My my
Speaker 1: twinter au team needs a new shipment of Katie's. Rich
Speaker 1: appreciate you appreciate we need those. Maybe a couple colors
Speaker 1: because we're nice as fun by the way, won elite
Speaker 1: nice Yet we just want the MLK tournament a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. Man, we're gonna, yeah, we're doing it.
Speaker 1: But anyway, man, k D, we appreciate you. Jack needs
Speaker 1: some shoes. What kind of what's side? What's side? Four teens? Man?
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