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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, we are experiencing technical difficulties.

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Speaker 2: This is the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the best Moments in the Bobby Cast twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty three, where if you missed the full episode, you

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Speaker 3: gotta go listen. They were my favorite moments, and if

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Speaker 3: you're like me, you don't listen to every single episode

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Speaker 3: of a podcast sometimes because life gets in the way.

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Speaker 3: But this is a reminder and it's the first half

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Speaker 3: of my favorite ones from twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 4: Now, I sat down with.

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Speaker 3: A lot of awesome people, so it was kind of

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Speaker 3: hard to narrow it down, but these were either my

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Speaker 3: favorites or your favorites as in the most downloaded streamed episodes,

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Speaker 3: or just the ones that came out going.

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Speaker 4: Man, that person is super cool.

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Speaker 3: And since they are the best moments, again, go check

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Speaker 3: out the full hour long episodes.

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Speaker 4: If you're interested.

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Speaker 3: So let's kick it off with one of the coolest

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Speaker 3: interview moments that I had this year was Adam Durretz

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Speaker 3: from The Counting Crows, so like, that's the guy like

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Speaker 3: for me musically it's my favorite band, the Counting Crows.

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Speaker 4: Never'd spend any time with them, and getting to sit.

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Speaker 3: With Adam durrett was really cool for me personally because

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Speaker 3: I just listened to County Crows music so much favorite ever,

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Speaker 3: and I got to ask a bunch of questions I'd

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Speaker 3: always wanted to ask, like how Saturday Night Live launched

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Speaker 3: the band's fame to you know, get mobbed before there

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Speaker 3: from the County Crows. So a really cool one for me,

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Speaker 3: maybe maybe maybe my top favorite. But here we go,

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Speaker 3: Adam Durretz from episode four hundred here at number ten.

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Speaker 4: So you mentioned Marty Jones. That's mister Jones.

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Speaker 3: You guys kind of imagining what fame is like or

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Speaker 3: what celebrity is like.

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Speaker 4: How long did you write that song before that actually happened?

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Speaker 5: Oh while, I mean, I'm mister Jones is from sort

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Speaker 3: And so did you guys write it like, man, this

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Speaker 4: We really can see this happening to us.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I mean, Marty's dad, David Serva, is one of

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Speaker 5: And so we went to see them one night, and

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Speaker 5: and I'm just thinking, man, you got to get a

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Speaker 5: Everything would be better. You know, it would be kind

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Speaker 5: But it also occurred to me how silly that is.

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Speaker 3: Anything wrote it all that night, anything in front of

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Speaker 4: It was almost like falling Out.

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Speaker 3: Whenever I think about me in college and those really

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Speaker 3: the Live Wire, you Guys's live album. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: could tell you now my favorite band, uh, Counting Crows.

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Speaker 3: I can do every even spoken part of that. You know,

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Speaker 3: Its so but I listened to that so much that

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Speaker 5: I listen to a lot of rim You two probably

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Speaker 5: Jackson five. That's my first record. I don't think I've

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Speaker 6: I don't know, it's hard to remember it right.

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Speaker 5: At that one time, I was thinking of you two

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Speaker 5: and Rim because I specifically remember. There's a few things

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Speaker 4: Did you ever see Jackson five?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's my first concert too. Do you remember it?

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Speaker 5: probably about six. Rodeo in Texas they played at it.

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Speaker 3: I would have Rodeo is still doing that too, by

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'd have been happy with either one of those,

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 3: If you get famous, there's all the social media that

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Speaker 3: not able to get to you through those means. How

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Speaker 4: Is it just crowds? Is it just people?

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Speaker 6: Well it you know, it's weird.

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Speaker 5: We've been on the road for a while before it happened,

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Speaker 5: We played Saturday Night Live in January of ninety four

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Speaker 6: So but I didn't really see you know.

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Speaker 6: Isn't that crazy?

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Speaker 6: Really weird.

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Speaker 5: I mean that the next you know, a few months

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Speaker 5: And I walked down and I was watching this movie.

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Speaker 3: At number nine, it's Haley Winters from episode three eighty six.

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Speaker 9: That was like you know, some people go and they

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Speaker 9: It was like I was waiting tables I had. I

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Speaker 9: Uh no, Like you're pinching pennies, you know, like first deal,

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Speaker 3: You talk about struggle that I want to talk about

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Speaker 3: want to go look into where it's you're right song?

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Speaker 9: First, this was like a total freak never happened thing

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Speaker 4: Sand same like trips. You're not even I'm not.

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Speaker 9: I knew they were holding.

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Speaker 9: I didn't know they were holding it. And you want

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Speaker 4: Then what is what any position?

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Speaker 4: Also, yeah, you got no money for Super eight.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I like to say, like we're kind of like negligent optimists,

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Speaker 3: You sleep in the airport, you go home. You just

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Speaker 3: There have been times where I failed doing something.

441
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Speaker 4: Other people have to say.

442
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,640
Speaker 3: Why don't you do this, and I'm like, you know what, okay,

443
00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:37,880
Speaker 3: and then you bomb out. You're like, god, dang, I'd

444
00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,040
Speaker 3: rather fail doing what I wanted to do.

445
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,520
Speaker 4: So I didn't have all these thoughts that would like, yeah.

446
00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,760
Speaker 3: And so that was your idea of Okay, we may

447
00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,320
Speaker 3: go down, dang it, but we're gonna do something that

448
00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,320
Speaker 3: really feels true to me and what we're doing, because.

449
00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,600
Speaker 4: If it fails, at least we failed to honestly yeah.

450
00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,679
Speaker 9: Yeah, and you can hang your hat on that, you know.

451
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,359
Speaker 9: And so that's kind of what we did. And it

452
00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 9: was a year and a half of just like holding

453
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Speaker 9: up at my engineer's studio in Germantown and and you know,

454
00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,240
Speaker 9: we just stay up late into the night, drink bourbon

455
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,119
Speaker 9: and talk about we're just so buzzy on songs and

456
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 9: energy and excitement and fun.

457
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 11: You know.

458
00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,439
Speaker 9: It was like one of the most fruitful years for

459
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:18,119
Speaker 9: me because I'd been so broken hearted by the industry,

460
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,720
Speaker 9: you know, and so this was like kind of me

461
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,600
Speaker 9: getting a little bit of like I tuned out so

462
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 9: much of the town and just kind of went in

463
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,600
Speaker 9: and was like finding it all again.

464
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Speaker 3: Was there an impatience as you guys were creating the

465
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 3: songs that would be the record and you're doing them

466
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:36,160
Speaker 3: in batches?

467
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 2: Huh?

468
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,200
Speaker 3: Was it ever like, you know, what, screw it, let's

469
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 3: just put these five out, like I just want to

470
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 3: get something out.

471
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,600
Speaker 4: Did you have to battle that or did you really have.

472
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 3: The patience to go, We're going to finish this whole

473
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,399
Speaker 3: thing and we're going to put it out as the

474
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 3: projects because my patience isn't good.

475
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just like, oh, I did it, Let's go

476
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 4: and get it out there. How was that process for you?

477
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,639
Speaker 9: I it's funny that you say that, because I have

478
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 9: never thought about that. But I was just like it

479
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,640
Speaker 9: was a record in my mind, and it wasn't until

480
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,919
Speaker 9: everything was complete. I mean, shoot, I think that I

481
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,479
Speaker 9: went up to write with Laurie again and I wrote

482
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 9: what ended up being like one of the title track

483
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 9: of the record. So we'd gone in and made that session,

484
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 9: you know, and then I went up with her and

485
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,639
Speaker 9: I wrote a few more songs. So it wasn't you know,

486
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 9: it was a work in progress the whole way until

487
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 9: it felt complete to us, and then we didn't have

488
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,879
Speaker 9: a team, So then we're like, okay, now what do

489
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 9: we do with it?

490
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Speaker 3: You know, you put out other songs from that record,

491
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 3: like a deluxe version, right because you did the record

492
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 3: that you've added songs. Was it different to do those

493
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 3: songs that were added because the record was at least

494
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 3: critically acclaimed and depending on I mean, I like the record,

495
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 3: and a lot of people like the record, but I

496
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 3: don't know it's reach out because I wasn't watching any

497
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 3: of your Psycho about you just mildly. So was it

498
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 3: easier to find the money to do those tracks because

499
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 3: of the success of the original record?

500
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 7: Yeah?

501
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 9: I think so, And I'm trying to like, remember, I

502
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 9: think on the deluxe is when Cloud I was signing

503
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 9: my deal too, so then they were a part of them.

504
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 4: You know.

505
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 9: So I wasn't like saving all my waitressing tips anymore.

506
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 9: You know, it was like they were helping float me

507
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 9: and giving me the freedom to be able to create.

508
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: Hang Ty, the Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow,

509
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 1: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

510
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 3: Was there any part of that record that whomever signed

511
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 3: you over a big cloud, like I don't know which

512
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 3: of the guys, Yeah, which of the people over there

513
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 3: were instrumental and hey, that's awesome, let's get her. Was

514
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 3: there a song or two that they brought up like

515
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 3: really resonated with them. They were like, when we listened

516
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 3: to this, this song shows us who you are.

517
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Speaker 6: Do you remember?

518
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 9: I remember like Seth got super jacked on Filling my Cup.

519
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 9: When he heard Filling my Cup, he was like, this

520
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 9: is the sound.

521
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 4: You know?

522
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 9: That was like we'd put fiddle on it. It kind

523
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 9: of has that throwback like you know, and and he

524
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 9: was just like he lit up on that song. And yeah,

525
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 9: it's been really cool, you know, to see the whole

526
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 9: thing with them. And Nicole Gallian's a part of it too,

527
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 9: with songs and daughters, and she's someone I've written with

528
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 9: for a very long time, so she knows me very

529
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 9: well creatively. But I feel very fortunate. I think having

530
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 9: been here for so long, I was always so like

531
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 9: gun shy about record labels because I've seen so many

532
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 9: friends just get crushed you know what.

533
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 4: Works.

534
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, so it was very important for me. One of

535
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 9: the perks of having been around the block of this

536
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 9: town a few times very important for me to find

537
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 9: someone that just like got it, you know, and I

538
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 9: felt that Seth and Nicole and the team there, they

539
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 9: really got it and they've been really cool about letting

540
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 9: me do my thing.

541
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Speaker 3: You know, when you play shows now and if when

542
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 3: you play the single, do you hear people sing back

543
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 3: to you?

544
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

545
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 9: Is last night? It was so freaking nuts. It's so

546
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 9: bizarre as someone who's been here for freaking ever, you know,

547
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 9: put out multiple records to be able to see the

548
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 9: difference with this one song. It's just nuts.

549
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow, and we're

550
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: back on the Bobby Cast.

551
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 4: Number eight.

552
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 3: So a really awesome and talented duo who happened to

553
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 3: be married. Their name is the War in Treaty, made

554
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 3: up of Michael Trotter Junior and Tanya Trotter. Michael shared

555
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 3: the story behind their name and how serving in the

556
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 3: army inspired him to write music, and Tanya talked about

557
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 3: how they met and how she got started singing at

558
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: a really young age. And in the episode if you

559
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 3: go listen to it, Michael talks about how you know

560
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 3: he saw her on Sister Act. It was like I'm

561
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 3: gonna marry her pretty funny, pretty awesome. Here is the

562
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 3: War in Treaty from episode three ninety nine. Whenever we

563
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: talked about your name, Michael, you mentioned you wanted war

564
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Speaker 3: because of your background.

565
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Speaker 4: Is that military service? Is that what we're talking about?

566
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Speaker 10: Yeah?

567
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, why did you want the military?

568
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 7: Oh?

569
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Speaker 11: Just I had made a lot of mistakes, man, in

570
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Speaker 11: my life. I mean, I had dropped out of high school.

571
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:03,479
Speaker 11: I was done with that, and I had made a baby,

572
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 11: my daughter, my sweet honey, and I had another one

573
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 11: on the way, and I was just lost.

574
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 10: I didn't know where to go, what to do. And

575
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 10: I just knew.

576
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 11: I believed that at that time I wasn't school material,

577
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 11: you know, I didn't know what kind of material would

578
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 11: be period, coming from the streets Cleveland, and and but

579
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 11: my grandfather, my father, my uncle all served and I

580
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 11: knew that I wasn't too far from how jacked up

581
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 11: they were.

582
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Speaker 10: So I was like, I'm I think I'm gonna go

583
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Speaker 10: and join the army.

584
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Speaker 4: And you Iraq, right, Oh yeah, what was that like

585
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 4: for you?

586
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Speaker 6: For me?

587
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 11: So, man, I think it's's It was a gift and

588
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 11: a curse.

589
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Speaker 6: You know.

590
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 11: The gift was the first time I had any kind

591
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 11: of relationship with someone who didn't look like me, you know,

592
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 11: Like I tell this all the time, even when we

593
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 11: were on the stage, Like I had went through my

594
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 11: whole life without encountering white people at all, you know,

595
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 11: and only reading what they put in the books and

596
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 11: what they want you to know, whether it's on TV

597
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 11: or whether it's in the books and the history or whatever.

598
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 11: But when I got into the army, it's.

599
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 10: Like, all right, here we go. We're doing this, you know.

600
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Speaker 11: And then you start realizing that the color of your

601
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 11: skin is the actual uniform and the flag and you know,

602
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 11: and then you start talking and realizing it ain't much difference.

603
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 11: And that was the gift for me to be able

604
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 11: to serve with those men and women, my battle buddies,

605
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 11: you know. And the curse was and then you lose them.

606
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 11: You don't realize, like, hey, this isn't forever, you know,

607
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 11: and you forget sometimes like you're at war because people

608
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 11: don't understand war. There's a lot of downtime, it's a

609
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 11: lot of quiet, it's a lot of reflecting, and then

610
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 11: all of a sudden, boom, there's a explosion on mortar

611
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 11: round or ied or something like that. And then even

612
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 11: that gave me a gift because then I started writing songs.

613
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 11: My first song I ever wrote was in the war

614
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 11: about one of my battle buddies who got killed, and.

615
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:10,239
Speaker 10: I wrote it.

616
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 11: I taught myself to play the piano and to make

617
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 11: the song.

618
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 10: And they have a piano there, Saddam.

619
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Speaker 11: You know, yeah, this isn't a well known or well

620
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 11: publicized fact about him because it would kind of humanize

621
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 11: a little bit, this tyrant. But he was a prolific pianist.

622
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 11: He had pianos everywhere in Iraq. And we just happened

623
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,959
Speaker 11: to take over one of the palaces that had his

624
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 11: black upright piano and little initials was carved. And I'm

625
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 11: just singing and learning how to play that kind of thing.

626
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 11: And I do the song I wrote for this particular

627
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 11: soldier's memorial out there, and it brings so much resolution

628
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 11: to the soldiers. Like the stuff I was putting in it,

629
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 11: you know, I would talk about the things I would

630
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 11: miss and the things I would not miss, you know,

631
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 11: like the smell of his feet. You know, it's just

632
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 11: a little stuff like that, just trying to lighten the moment.

633
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 11: And my kernel at the time shout out to pe

634
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 11: ter L Jones, who watched who's very familiar with your show.

635
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 11: He uh, I wonder to know if I wrote the song.

636
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 11: I said yeah, and he said, well, you know what,

637
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 11: that's what you're gonna do for the remainder of your

638
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 11: time in Iraq. You're gonna go with me, learn about

639
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 11: the falling, and then you want to write the song

640
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 11: and perform it. Wow, And that became my job from

641
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 11: five to seven when I would get out the military.

642
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 4: What was your job before that?

643
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 10: Just infantry?

644
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 11: I was in the infantry, and really it's whatever the

645
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 11: army needs, you know, but my sole focus was protecting logistics,

646
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 11: that kind of thing. And yeah, it's always a difficult

647
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 11: part to tap into you.

648
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 4: And I would imagine too with that you talk about a.

649
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: You know, a curse and also something wonderful is that

650
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 3: you're getting to do this for them, and it's a

651
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: wonderful thing, but you're constantly re exposed to the hardest

652
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: part of it.

653
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 10: I didn't know.

654
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 11: Because over ninety percent of the soldiers I was writing about,

655
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 11: I knew, you know, so these are friends. But when

656
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 11: you're so focused on healing and you're so focused on

657
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 11: taking everyone else's mind off of it you're not focusing

658
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 11: where you're putting your mind at the moment.

659
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 10: And it wasn't until.

660
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 11: I got out where I realized I had I had,

661
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 11: I had a problem, you know, I had PTSD and

662
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 11: depression and anxiety, and it took my life over. I

663
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 11: couldn't get jobs. I would When I did get jobs,

664
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 11: I lose the jobs because I just freak out a

665
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 11: little bit. Fourth of July was always hell, especially in Detroit,

666
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 11: because I don't know that their Fourth of July is

667
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 11: a little bit different than everyone else's.

668
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 10: They got stuff that really sounds.

669
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 11: Like, no, I know that's a bomb, you know, like

670
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 11: I don't know how a little rocky got that. But

671
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 11: you know, and this is when she first discovered there

672
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 11: was a real problem with me. I mean, I'm I'm

673
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 11: six ' two, I weigh about one hundred and ten pounds,

674
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 11: you know, trying to dive under the couches, hiding, and

675
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 11: my children are crying and I'm yelling commands, get.

676
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 6: Down, get down.

677
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 11: You know, it's stuff that people for years have made

678
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 11: jokes out of shell shock, But you know, until you

679
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 11: really go through it, you don't realize how real it

680
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 11: truthfully is.

681
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: You know, I've done a lot of work with veterans

682
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 3: like yourself, and we would get them service dogs through

683
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 3: either a specific work through organizations.

684
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 4: And one of the.

685
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: Tools that soldiers would use and they would come back

686
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 3: home is that service dog who would always keep them

687
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 3: as grounded as possible into what is real because they've

688
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: also got to take care of that dog, yep. And

689
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 3: that's a big part of having a service dog is

690
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: you can't just let that go take care of.

691
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 4: It while they're also trained, so like, I respect it

692
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 4: so much.

693
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, it's a difficult part.

694
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 11: And even with the service dog, like there's some things

695
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 11: that most people don't consider when they offer it up

696
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 11: to a soldier because it's very important.

697
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 10: Like you asked one unit. You know, with my.

698
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 11: Particular unit, our focus was defusing a lot and most

699
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 11: of the situations we would have to diffuse or the

700
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 11: bombs we have to diffuse, where carcasses or you know,

701
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 11: a dog is running up to you and you know

702
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 11: we love dogs, right and you don't realize there's a

703
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 11: wire hanging out of his tail and you're like, what's

704
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 11: going on and it's too late. So you know, even

705
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 11: babies and carriages, strollers and stuff, so I had to, really,

706
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 11: I just share this with my whole team and my wife.

707
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 11: Not that long ago, I said, you know, I, oh,

708
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 11: I know what it was in regards to the shooting

709
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 11: here in Nashville, right I had to That situation helped

710
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 11: me feel again in a way that I had lost

711
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 11: that feeling, you know, because I'm I've seen murder on

712
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 11: a different scale, you know, And this year, I can

713
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 11: honestly say I started feeling again like I could feel

714
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 11: that that pain, I could feel that loss, you know.

715
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 11: And I think it's through the love of my wife

716
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 11: and through treatment, you know, that I'm able to get

717
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 11: to that point. But so many soldiers, it's just like

718
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 11: we got to drive on, you.

719
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: Know, Hang tight.

720
00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: The Bobby Cast will be right back, and we're back

721
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: on the Bobby Cast.

722
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 6: Where did you grow up?

723
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 12: I grew up in Washington, d C.

724
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 6: Did you were you always? Indeed?

725
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 4: Were you Maryland at all?

726
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 8: It was Maryland lot of PG County. Yeah, But there's

727
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 8: the Potomac there.

728
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 4: There's a fine line there, and I've done both.

729
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 3: I've played the theater like literally in DC right next

730
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 3: to the Capitol, and then I've played the Amphitheater.

731
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 4: And there's like city and country and.

732
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: There that line that's real close to each other and

733
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 3: you go from one to the other and there's no

734
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 3: you know exactly where you are. Oh yeah, so yeah,

735
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 3: where did you live in the city or the country?

736
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 12: I kind of lived in both.

737
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 8: I mean PG County At the time, it wasn't as

738
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 8: populated as it is.

739
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 12: So we moved from Washington, DC.

740
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 8: My dad was a police officer, Washington DC police officer

741
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 8: for twenty five years, and we ended up moving to

742
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 8: PG County, which was very, you know, suburbs, so they

743
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 8: would call us the suburbs.

744
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 12: Girl when we went back to the city, you know.

745
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 8: And I didn't realize it until I got older that

746
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 8: that was a big difference. And then we would also

747
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 8: go to Newbern, North Carolina, where my dad was from,

748
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 8: every summer.

749
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 4: So I had I mean, that's the country.

750
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 8: That's that was dirt roads and hog pins in front

751
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 8: of my grandmama's yard and all that stuff.

752
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 12: So it was very different from me.

753
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 4: Did you sing as a kid? Oh yeah, how young?

754
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 8: And I was eight eight years old when I started.

755
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 8: My mom was from Panama, so I was listening to

756
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 8: all kinds of music. I was like, am I gonna

757
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 8: be Cellia Cruz. I might gonna be pay a little Belle,

758
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 8: you know, you know, I was just trying to make

759
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 8: the difference.

760
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 12: But eight years old was when I got the bug.

761
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 4: Did you sing in church or was there a stage

762
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 4: for you?

763
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 3: Because usually social as artists that come in here, church

764
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 3: is always first place that there's an open stage that

765
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 3: it no't matter how good you are, you can get

766
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 3: up and make a joyful noise.

767
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 12: Yeah.

768
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 4: So did you sing in church at all?

769
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 10: Oh? Yeah?

770
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 12: Everywhere was a stage.

771
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 8: I was one of those kids, so whether it was

772
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 8: a living room, whether it's a church, I was always

773
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 8: entering myself in talent shows from age like seven.

774
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 12: You know a kid. Yeah, I was very extravagant as good.

775
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 7: Good.

776
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 12: I don't know if I.

777
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 8: Was good more if the theatrics of it all is good.

778
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 4: You know, if you.

779
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 3: Were to be an adult now and see you at seven,

780
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 3: not know it was you singing, would you go that

781
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 3: seven year old's got real potential to be a great singer.

782
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 6: Where'd you go?

783
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 3: That seven year old has got real potential to have potential?

784
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 8: You know it's interesting because I was so flamboyant and

785
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 8: so wild. I would have said that that seven year

786
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 8: old is going to make a good entertainer. Yeah, because

787
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 8: there was just no bars off when I was seven,

788
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 8: I mean there was I was free.

789
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 4: Is that what you wanted to be when you grew

790
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 4: up a singer? No?

791
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 10: I didn't.

792
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 8: I wanted to be a lawyer. I wanted to practice

793
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 8: entertainment law. But then I got the bug and I

794
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 8: was like, okay, this is a way for me to

795
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 8: kind of, you know, get into music as a lawyer.

796
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 12: It's to sing.

797
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: When did the bug change direction? Because apparently always loved

798
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 3: to sing, but you thought you would do something else.

799
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: When did it kind of consume you that, Okay, I'm

800
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 3: not going to do that. I am going to sing.

801
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 8: Very interesting because I had my first record deal when

802
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 8: I was seventeen, and I remember being in that and

803
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 8: doing the music and putting out a record. I would

804
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 8: say that the bug didn't really hit me until the

805
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 8: Warren Treaty. Really yeah, it got me when I started

806
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 8: doing with Michael and because I left my record deal

807
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 8: and when I was like twenty two, twenty three, and

808
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 8: I was like, I don't want to do this anymore.

809
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 8: The passion wasn't there. I didn't have that thing that

810
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 8: it takes for you to go through the highs and

811
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 8: lows with it.

812
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, that even though you're getting all the nose, you

813
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 4: keep going.

814
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 12: Yes, that thing. I didn't have that thing.

815
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 8: And once I got with the Warren Treaty and we

816
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 8: were doing like coffee house tours and I was so

817
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 8: happy we were, he being the coffee shops and it's

818
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 8: like two people clapping. But the music made me so happy.

819
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 8: And it was every genre of music that I just loved.

820
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 8: That we were kind of, you know, a musical gumbo together.

821
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 8: So the Warren Treaty gave me that spark. And when

822
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 8: I met Michael out on that field World's Lake in Maryland,

823
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 8: it was him out there in this hot I mean

824
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 8: it had to be ninety five degrees outside of him

825
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 8: it was a big koogie like sweater back then, you know,

826
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 8: those were like the sweaters. But he was killing it

827
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 8: and his passion for it was just something that I

828
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 8: remember at eight years old, climbing up in the tree

829
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 8: in my backyard writing little notes of my little songs

830
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 8: back then that I had at eight years old, but

831
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 8: I didn't have at seventeen once I.

832
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 12: Got the deal, But he had it.

833
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 4: How'd you guys meet at Laurel Lakes.

834
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 8: It was a love festival, as cheesy as it sounds.

835
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 4: So it's so love festival. Yeah, it's so.

836
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 3: It sounds a little, you know, but it's.

837
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 8: Not really maybe maybe ten years, but there was the

838
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 8: love of the community.

839
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 11: They were giving out backpacks and they wanted singers, and

840
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 11: I was a local local when they were like, you

841
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 11: should come sing, sing your singr song.

842
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a festival that I would do in the

843
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 8: city to give back back to the underprivileged kids in

844
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 8: the area.

845
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 12: And Michael was one of the artists.

846
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 4: So you saw him singing, you were drawn to him?

847
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 6: Oh?

848
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, were you drawn to him? Like?

849
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: That's an energy? I want to be around her? Like

850
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 3: that's an energy I want to be a road.

851
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 12: That's both. It was both, you know.

852
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 8: I immediately gave him my phone number and he was

853
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 8: there with his friend.

854
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 10: Her approaching it.

855
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 11: Do you remember I sure do I remember me approaching

856
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 11: her and she was ignoring my conversation.

857
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 10: Yeah, how about that?

858
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 4: So what's the real story here?

859
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's my story. Is a real story.

860
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 12: That's not it's your side, my side down the truth.

861
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 11: I walked up on Tyan and this lady named Diane

862
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 11: introduced us, and Tanya gave me her little hand, her

863
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 11: little hand like this, and I was like, oh, Michael,

864
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 11: and she says, I'm Talian and turned right around and

865
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 11: kept talking.

866
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 8: I was like, this girlfriend, I peeped the same, you know,

867
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 8: let's see what's happening.

868
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 12: I'm not gonna get to however.

869
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 11: However, you know, I remember her coming up to me

870
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 11: at the end of my set and she was like, did.

871
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 10: You write all these songs? And I said, yeah, yeah,

872
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 10: I wrote them.

873
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 11: And she told me about the project she and her

874
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 11: brother were actually working on, and she wanted me to

875
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 11: come in as a writer, and she gave me her

876
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 11: phone number.

877
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 3: Right then, just from that one, just I want you

878
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 3: to come in as a writer straight up.

879
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, she can't remember.

880
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got it.

881
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 10: I threw a number away. Why did you have a girlfriend? No,

882
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 10: I just I read into it.

883
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 11: I was like, she done, she don't want this is

884
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 11: a fake number, you know what I mean. Tanya is beautiful,

885
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 11: and I had a lot of esteem issues, and you know,

886
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 11: I wasn't paying attention to writing. I thought like, yeah,

887
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 11: this this is gonna be us, you know, And I

888
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 11: threw the number way and instantly regretted it. And I'm

889
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 11: driving my girlfriend at the time home and it was her.

890
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 10: She's like, you like her, don't you?

891
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 11: And I was like no, and yeah, She's like I

892
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 11: could see y'all together.

893
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 12: Like I was like, I could too.

894
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 3: Well, your girlfriend told you, yeah that she could see you, Yeah,

895
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: with another person.

896
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 11: Surely she's sweetheart, Yeah she is. She She definitely told

897
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 11: me that. She was like, I can see y'all. Y'all's

898
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 11: energy right there in that Conbo was like, I was

899
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 11: like really.

900
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 10: Because I didn't. I didn't think there was no energy

901
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 10: there at all.

902
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 3: But how did you guys find each other back then?

903
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 3: If you don't have her number? I found that police officer.

904
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 4: That's hilarious.

905
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 12: He's a private detective. At the time, I was.

906
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 8: Like, this is I wish they had face recognition back then.

907
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 4: That's so funny.

908
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: Hang tight, The Bobby Cast will be right back. Welcome

909
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: back to the Bobby Cast.

910
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 3: At number seven, it's Kicks Brooks of Brooks and Dunn

911
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 3: from episode four oh nine. Kicks is just a really

912
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 3: funny guy, and sometimes it's hard to tell if he's

913
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: being serious or if he's just messing with me, you know,

914
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 3: Kicks talks about getting discovered at the Bluebird Cafe in

915
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 3: Nashville and the first song he wrote that to him

916
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 3: was super special. If you haven't listened to the full episode,

917
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 3: I highly recommend you go and you listen. Here is

918
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 3: Kicks Brooks at number seven. But back on episode four

919
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 3: O nine, I mentioned Johnny Cash, like Brooks Robbins, I

920
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 3: played third base for the Orioles way before me, but

921
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: he was from Arkansas.

922
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 10: Yeah, did you have.

923
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 4: A Louisiana people like that to you that you were like,

924
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 4: they're from where we're from. Sure, I really like I

925
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 4: admire what they're doing.

926
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 10: Who would that be?

927
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 13: Well, obviously the you know Hank Williams and Johnny Horton

928
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 13: and Merle Kilgore. You're familiar with him. So Merle was

929
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 13: Hank Junior's manager and also wrote Wolverton Mountain, And I.

930
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 4: Was just if he was a writer and he managed, Yeah.

931
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 13: Managed Hank Junior, but famous and I met him through

932
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 13: this CMA board the first time and we got to

933
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 13: be great friends. But yeah, he was famous for you know,

934
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 13: he had big rings on all his fingers. You know,

935
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 13: this jeweler diamond Dan you know made it really really outgoing,

936
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 13: you know, over the top, really fun guy. But you say, Merle,

937
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 13: you're doing good man, everything okay, and you go.

938
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 10: Are you shifting me? Just those rings? What was this?

939
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 4: What was this?

940
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 3: I mean when you mentioned a guy like that, I

941
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 3: think about Nashville when it used to kind of.

942
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 10: Be like that.

943
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,439
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, low, and it's still its own way of loud,

944
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 3: but like low, you would just see somebody and know

945
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 3: that they.

946
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 13: Lost a lot of our carnate factor.

947
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: Carney's yeah, it's definitely. What was it like when you moved?

948
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: What was this talent like when you moved here?

949
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 13: I'll tell you the For me, it was all I

950
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 13: just wanted to be a songwriter in this town. That's really.

951
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,959
Speaker 13: I mean all most all songwriters have some dreams and

952
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 13: you know, they played the songs, we've gotten some recognition.

953
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 13: There's exceptions to that, but most songwriters like to think

954
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 13: of themselves as artists. I mean I did, and I

955
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 13: had a couple of record deals before Ronnie and I

956
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 13: got together, but not because I was that great. I

957
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 13: don't know. But I started singing a lot of demos,

958
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 13: you know, for stuff like that. But the town, the

959
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 13: ability to my first publisher is a guy named Don

960
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 13: Gant and man, he would hold court every day. We'd

961
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 13: write songs all day. But he had been at Tree

962
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 13: Publishing and was responsible for some of the great careers

963
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 13: from Roger Miller and Mickey Newberry, got Sonny Throckmorton, people

964
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 13: you may not be familiar with, but people that Harlan Howard.

965
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 13: Of course they were all at Tree. I mean they

966
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 13: owned independent publishing, but there were still great publishing company

967
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 13: companies like Combine where Christofferson and you know, Whalen and

968
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,959
Speaker 13: all those guys were too little smaller company. But when

969
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 13: we were done at the end of the day, people

970
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 13: would start piling in that door, and Don would always

971
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 13: send out for a few asis of beer. We just

972
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 13: packing his office and start passing the guitar around. Would

973
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 13: really make you want to write something special, because if

974
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 13: that guitar came your way or Don said, did you

975
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 13: write anything today? But at the same time, even if

976
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 13: I written something that wasn't that good, he would find

977
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 13: that one line in a song and go, man, wait

978
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 13: a second second verse, Well was it you said you? Because

979
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 13: y'all hear that it's like and all of a sudden

980
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 13: he would make you feel like he might not tell

981
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 13: you it was a great song, because it wasn't. But

982
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 13: he would also make sure you knew.

983
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 10: That's what you need to be.

984
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 13: That's that's a great line. Give me a whole song

985
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 13: full of that kind of stuff. You know, it's a

986
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 13: great teacher. But also by the end of by the

987
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 13: end of the night, we're all well oiled. Then then

988
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 13: you know, Mackey Newberry or Ray Van Hoy or some

989
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 13: of those guys that Throckmorton who are just writing this brilliance.

990
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 13: They get the guitar, and then you got the opportunity. Man,

991
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 13: it was all up and down the street and where

992
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 13: is it happening kind of thing, and I just I

993
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 13: don't you know, there's so so much you know, I

994
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 13: don't sound like an old guy, but there's so much

995
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 13: concrete where there were little houses all the way down

996
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 13: Music Row, and you just wander up and down. You

997
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 13: could hear it a lot of times, up and down.

998
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 4: People just doing the thing.

999
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 13: Yeah that's going or and somebody come running down to

1000
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 13: your publishing company and go man, going down to Combine,

1001
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 13: you know, whaling's down there and there singing, you know,

1002
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 13: and dad, that kind of stuff is going on.

1003
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: Do you remember when you moved here, like and again,

1004
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 3: you're in the majors now because you have all the

1005
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 3: great songwriters around you, which elevates at least hopefully you

1006
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: to to get to their level. Do you remember the

1007
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 3: first like song you wrote where you were like, man,

1008
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 3: this is special, like I have now.

1009
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 4: Reached a new peak.

1010
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 3: I've I've learned, and I've written this song. Do you

1011
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 3: remember the first great song you feel like you wrote?

1012
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 13: Honestly, I had quite a few number ones at that point,

1013
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 13: but I think I think Red Dirt Road was was

1014
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 13: a time when I really put the period on that

1015
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 13: song and went, it's a freaking hit and it's it's

1016
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 13: really saying it's you know, Ronnie and I did that

1017
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 13: together and he actually we had it was just a

1018
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 13: place where we talked about really got real with each other,

1019
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 13: talked about where we came from. Like, you know, he

1020
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 13: was telling me about Elderad. I was telling me about

1021
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 13: where my grandparents was.

1022
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 6: That's where it was.

1023
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 13: And somehow I was telling about driving those roads with

1024
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 13: my grandfather looking you know, looking at at timber you

1025
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 13: know what he was going to cut, And I said, man,

1026
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 13: that dirt was just so he goes, I know it

1027
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 13: was up and said that'd be a good name for

1028
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 13: an album. So now we got to write a song.

1029
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 13: And we kind of puttered around at it three or

1030
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 13: four times and never really got more than a line

1031
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 13: or two. And he got off the plane we were

1032
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 13: we had a gig and Sacramento and we flew to

1033
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 13: San Francisco and got off the plane and he handed

1034
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 13: me a cocktail napkin and it had those lines about

1035
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 13: you know, drank my first beer and you know, wrecked

1036
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 13: my first car toward all the piece is something about

1037
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 13: Jesus and you know, life ain't just for high achievers.

1038
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 13: And he said, what do you think. I think it's

1039
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 13: freaking great, man, This is exactly what we were talking about.

1040
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 13: And I jumped on a bus and you know, wrote

1041
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 13: the pretty much the music and the verses. He had

1042
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 13: already told me about Rule Route three. You know, that's

1043
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 13: kind of when we kicked around where he came from,

1044
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 13: and he came and knocked on my bus, had Terry

1045
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 13: McBride and said, man, let's go get a steak. And

1046
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 13: I said, you got to hear this song though, and

1047
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 13: we both just kind of slapped it up in here

1048
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 13: and and I couldn't wait to record it. It was

1049
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 13: it was it was really fun to put it down too.

1050
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 3: Did you ever write a song and this one's special

1051
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 3: then you recorded it and you're like, I think it's.

1052
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 4: Lost what we were trying to do, so let's do

1053
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 4: it again, or I think.

1054
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 13: More Just sometimes when you write songs for a living

1055
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 13: and songs get recorded, you know, Don Gant had a

1056
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 13: plaque on his desk that said, it's not as good

1057
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 13: as the demo put off?

1058
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 3: Yeah you yes, you ever hear Yeah, it would just

1059
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 3: be tough if like you feel it. And then you

1060
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 3: even like comedy songs, like if I play them live

1061
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 3: and we try to record them, I'm always like, it

1062
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 3: doesn't sound as good when I recorded it, like, and

1063
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 3: it probably does, probably sounds better.

1064
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, but because it's like live.

1065
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 3: Or like if I'm creating something on the spot, it

1066
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 3: just feels newer and fresher.

1067
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 10: You're married to the thing.

1068
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 13: And I would never would never mention what song or

1069
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 13: that was, you know, or whatever, because it's I mean,

1070
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 13: it's the greatest honor of all for somebody to risk

1071
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 13: their career on something you made up, you know, as

1072
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 13: a songwriter, you know, but it is demolt.

1073
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 10: She just get here.

1074
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 13: It used to hearing it one way so many times.

1075
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 13: I remember, like modern day Romance. I wrote that with

1076
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 13: a Dan Tyler only song we ever wrote together, and

1077
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 13: we had both had He wrote Bobby Sue on the

1078
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 13: Oakridge Boys album, and I had a cut that I'd

1079
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 13: written on there and called that was actually my first

1080
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 13: cut called old Kentucky Song ever ever, Yeah, which was

1081
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 13: pretty lucky to be on a million selling album.

1082
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 4: Because you can money your songwriter, Royal Tea, you know,

1083
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 4: all of.

1084
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 13: A sudden, Don started paying me one hundred bucks a week,

1085
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 13: and I'm a professional songwriter.

1086
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 8: You know.

1087
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 13: It's really really where it went from. But man, I

1088
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 13: really believed in modern day romance. I said, man, this

1089
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 13: song is cool. It's got a good vibe to it.

1090
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 13: And everybody seemed to like it, but nobody would cut it,

1091
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 13: you know, And finally Gan't said, look, I'll cut it

1092
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 13: on you. He said, and he produced above Ittt's first

1093
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 13: five records. You know, he did come Monday, did all

1094
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 13: the backgrounds. He was a great producer. And I said, wow,

1095
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 13: that'd be cool. He said, we'll get you a record deal.

1096
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 6: So let's do it.

1097
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 13: He said, you sing it great, and I die, so

1098
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 13: we did. We cut it, actually got a film company interested,

1099
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 13: cut a demo on it, I mean a video on it,

1100
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 13: and was about to put it out as as an

1101
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 13: independent thing. And and Warley called and said, hey man,

1102
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 13: dirt Man, just cut this song. He said, it's a

1103
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 13: freaking hit. Okay, I'll put no mine in the trash

1104
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 13: because I'm a huge Dirt band fan. And Jeff Hannah

1105
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 13: sang the heck out of it. Anyway, it was you know,

1106
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 13: sometimes things, sometimes things will just work out with songs,

1107
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 13: but you never know.

1108
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 4: Where did Kicks come from.

1109
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 10: There's a couple of weeks before.

1110
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 13: I was born, was what I heard. I was trying

1111
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 13: to bust out of there. You know, I don't know

1112
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 13: about you, but nine months.

1113
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 4: Was trying to know, and I was trying to I

1114
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 4: knew a good place when I had it the opposite.

1115
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 13: I don't know. Fetal position wasn't really my thing. I

1116
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 13: wanted to stretch out.

1117
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 3: With Mike because I you know, Bones is not my

1118
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 3: real name is not Bones. It's est So kicks nickname

1119
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 3: is a kid or nickname. Later, No, it was I

1120
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 3: was always Kicks, always from a young.

1121
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 13: Young kid, from the time I was born.

1122
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 10: Yeah, really, but not your birth certificate. No, it's on Eric.

1123
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 13: I'm the third. My son's the fourth.

1124
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 4: Is he kicks that you call him kicks as well though?

1125
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 4: Has he kicked Junior?

1126
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 8: No?

1127
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 10: Call him quatro? What do they call it?

1128
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 4: But they really call you kicks that you kicked.

1129
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 13: Not really calling merrick. Yes, they've always gone me kicks.

1130
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 4: Because you kicked in the wound, because you came out

1131
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 4: of baby. It's because you mess so much. I don't

1132
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 4: know if you're kidding or not. No, that's the truth,

1133
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 4: but you do understand.

1134
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 10: You mess so much that.

1135
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's hard for like Douse, I'm looking at you, like, okay,

1136
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 3: so kicks came from you were always kicks, that's correct.

1137
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 10: Okay, So if you.

1138
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 13: Can, if you can find any defiance of that, Bobby,

1139
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 13: you have no.

1140
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 10: Full credit on here.

1141
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 4: I have no defiance.

1142
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 13: I just because I've removed all of that so you won't.

1143
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: Well find it, hank Ty, the Bobby Cast will be

1144
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: right back. Wow, and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

1145
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 3: The episode that made it to number six was an

1146
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 3: open and honest conversation on a topic that's not easy

1147
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 3: to talk about, even though it was in the public eye.

1148
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 3: And that topic is divorce. Umber six from me is

1149
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 3: Michael Ray. This is from episode four oh seven. It

1150
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 3: got a ton of dreams, and even for me, it

1151
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 3: was one of the first times that I felt like

1152
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 3: I really got to know Michael Ray better.

1153
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 4: I asked him what he would have done differently.

1154
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 3: He was open about that his last marriage, and he

1155
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 3: explains why he and his ex hadn't spoken in.

1156
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 6: Over three years.

1157
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 3: We got to hear his side of the story and

1158
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 3: why he chose not to release any songs about it,

1159
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 3: even though that wasn't happening on the other side of

1160
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 3: things here he is, Michael Ray, what would you do

1161
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 3: differently if you could go back? Because I feel like

1162
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 3: a little bit this is I don't know you that well.

1163
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 3: You know, I've spent a couple of minutes. I don't

1164
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 3: know your ex at all, so I have no I

1165
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 3: know nothing. What would you have done differently with that

1166
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 3: whole relationship? Would you have slowed it down a little bit?

1167
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1168
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 14: You know, I think too, If I'm being honest, I

1169
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 14: think being really the only true thing I ever knew

1170
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 14: about love or marriage was my grandparents or my aunt

1171
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 14: and uncle, my uncle, my dad's brother, him and my

1172
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 14: aunt Kim. They'd met when they were fifteen and fourteen,

1173
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,959
Speaker 14: and that was it for the rest of their life,

1174
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 14: you know, until my uncle passed away. And so those

1175
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 14: are the only two things.

1176
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 7: And I always, man, I want that.

1177
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 14: Or I'd go to my friend's house, you know, and

1178
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 14: i'd see them and their family or whatever, and there

1179
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 14: was none of the at least obviously when you're over there,

1180
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 14: they're not showing you what's really happening. But I think,

1181
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 14: you know, I can't speak for her, but I think

1182
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 14: for me it was like, man, look at all this

1183
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 14: going right.

1184
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 7: I think she was, you know. I also we weren't

1185
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 7: around each other a lot, and we're both waring arms.

1186
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 14: Yeah, man, And so you got the one day and

1187
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 14: that you're trying to cram it in to see each

1188
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 14: other and do what you know, and you're packing and

1189
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 14: you know you're out again.

1190
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 7: And so I probably would have slowed things down.

1191
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 14: I wouldn't have been so influenced by I think the people,

1192
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 14: you know, fans being involved in it, and yeah, you know,

1193
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 14: to be honest, I think I knew in the beginning

1194
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 14: or around that time, that.

1195
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 7: This was something we probably should have slowed down.

1196
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 6: If I could go.

1197
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 3: Back, I would not have exposed my wife to the

1198
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 3: public as early as I did, and we still waited

1199
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 3: a while, but I was like, you know, I lived

1200
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 3: my life very openly. She never really had an interest

1201
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 3: in being exposed. Exposed is a weird word, but just like,

1202
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 3: you know, really just exposing people, because it really made

1203
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 3: it hard for really hard for her because she that's

1204
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,919
Speaker 3: not her favorite.

1205
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 4: Thing is to be public. She's not trying to be

1206
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 4: an influencer.

1207
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 10: That's not her life.

1208
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 3: She's very family oriented, not trying to be famous. But

1209
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 3: what I did by doing it earlier, I think it

1210
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 3: came on so hard and strong for her.

1211
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 4: It was a negative and she was like, I.

1212
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 3: Don't like this very much, and I already already didn't

1213
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 3: love it, So I'm just going to kind of take

1214
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 3: another half step back where I wish I would have

1215
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 3: just waited a little longer in that What was that

1216
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 3: conversation like for you guys, like, Okay, were we going

1217
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 3: to do this? Because I would also think if I

1218
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 3: were you guys, I'd love the attention because two together, Oh.

1219
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 7: Dude, I mean, I mean, listen, I'm not gonna lie.

1220
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 14: Yeah, it did the greatest thing ever it's cool as shit,

1221
00:54:58,480 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 14: you know, and you want you know, and you see

1222
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 14: Tim and Faith and you know Garthatricia, and you know,

1223
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 14: we were both coming up kind of at the same time,

1224
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 14: Her and I.

1225
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 7: So it was like it wasn't like one was over

1226
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 7: here and the other one was, you.

1227
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 14: Know, first starting out, it was like we're kind of

1228
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 14: right there at you said, so it was a lot

1229
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 14: to celebrate.

1230
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 7: But yeah, I mean, yeah, it's it's yeah, I'm not

1231
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:17,439
Speaker 7: gonna lie to do it is it's.

1232
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 3: A lot of a lot of perks come with it,

1233
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 3: and a flatch some of the toughness honestly, like all

1234
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 3: the hundred great like, look at these two.

1235
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 4: I don't want to say names. I'm not going to

1236
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 4: bring her name up because it's not but it's like,

1237
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 4: look at these two together, because sometimes when you put

1238
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 4: two together, it's bigger than the absolutely man then the

1239
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 4: two individual lead.

1240
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 14: Yeah, and and and one thing too that we didn't like,

1241
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,959
Speaker 14: we didn't do counseling. We didn't do any of that before.

1242
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 7: And I think that and there was.

1243
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 14: Moments that I look back now and I'm like, why

1244
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 14: didn't I speak up on that? Like that was one

1245
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 14: of the first times I realized her and I are opposite,

1246
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 14: you know, and I'm a very much more extroverted, you

1247
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 14: know person.

1248
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 10: And and and she's not.

1249
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 14: And so there was a lot of different things. I

1250
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 14: come from a big family that, you know, every it helped.

1251
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 14: My cousins had keys to my dad's. Yeah, we used

1252
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,919
Speaker 14: to just go. We'd go and we wouldn't have food

1253
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 14: at the house and we'd go just go to my

1254
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 14: uncle's house and we'd be in there cooking. They weren't

1255
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 14: even home, you know, Like it was just that, you know,

1256
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 14: So there were little things that I think if we

1257
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 14: would have done that, I think we would have seen that, oh,

1258
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 14: this isn't we're when when you do have two at

1259
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 14: the same time and it's even the same business.

1260
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 7: And it's and all the eyes are on you, it's

1261
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 7: very easy to keep.

1262
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 14: That hey everything's good, even when you're home, you know,

1263
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 14: and you're really not going, you're really not addressing issues,

1264
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 14: you're not really.

1265
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 7: Knowing each other.

1266
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 14: Honestly, it's just like, hey, we're here for twenty four

1267
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 14: hours and I kind of got to do this meeting.

1268
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 14: I do this meeting, going to do dinner at five cool,

1269
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 14: you know, And I don't think we really just realized that, man,

1270
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 14: this is we're opposite.

1271
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 3: At one point on the internet, did you go, I

1272
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 3: can't read this. I can't look at this up anymore

1273
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 3: because one it's either not fear not true, or it's

1274
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 3: just overwhelming for me to see.

1275
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, I uh yeah, I thought for what I went.

1276
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 7: I went dark for a little bit, just because.

1277
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 14: There was so much that isn't true and there's so

1278
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 14: much that was twisted, and it was just like out

1279
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 14: of nowhere.

1280
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 7: Everybody was just like, oh, look what he did. I'm like, well,

1281
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 7: what are you talking about?

1282
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 14: Like, first off, none of y'all were around, you know,

1283
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 14: for three years, and you don't know anything that happened.

1284
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 14: You just know what this headline and what she has said.

1285
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 14: And because I don't believe in throwing shade at her

1286
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 14: any of that stuff, we were both learning and growing up.

1287
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 14: And I'm not trying to ruin what she's trying to

1288
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 14: go into. If she wants to, you know what I mean,

1289
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 14: she gets another relation. I don't want to ruin any

1290
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 14: of that. I don't want, you know, I hope she

1291
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 14: has the best success and does everything that she wants.

1292
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 7: I'm not trying to make this this you know beef.

1293
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 14: Yeah, between us two, Like listen, both of us dropped

1294
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 14: the ball in a lot of ways.

1295
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 7: And that's the truth, you know.

1296
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 14: And so we I didn't show up after you know,

1297
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 14: the wedding day, because by that point in time, there

1298
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 14: was a lot of stuff that she did show up for,

1299
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 14: and it was just kind of like there's stuff that

1300
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 14: happened that day where I was like I'm out, you know.

1301
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 14: And and again I never went to therapist and never

1302
00:57:58,400 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 14: did any of this stuff. So it was just I

1303
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 14: had all the stuff built up, and then I think

1304
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 14: the fear of am I repeating this process?

1305
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 7: What did I do?

1306
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 5: Uh?

1307
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 14: What if I you know, and so all of that

1308
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 14: kind of just it was a lot, man. It really

1309
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 14: took its toll, and I think just we just didn't

1310
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 14: we showed up at two different times. And then it

1311
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 14: then to to kind of go back to where you're

1312
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 14: asking about the comments. I had to I had bought

1313
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Speaker 14: my tongue a lot, man, because I.

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Speaker 3: Was your restraint, yeah, top notch, just having a restraint period,

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Speaker 3: even if every comment was right or wrong.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would have just been in the mix.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it would have been completely unhealthy and for me

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Speaker 3: and i'd have been, but I'd have been in it

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Speaker 3: and I'd made myself worse.

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Speaker 6: But you never.

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Speaker 4: He didn't say anything, he didn't put a song out,

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Speaker 4: you didn't get into comments. I mean, I don't know how.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how you did it if you had

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Speaker 4: good people in your ear.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, you know, I think a lot my management

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Speaker 14: team who was helping me a lot during that time. Also, Man,

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Speaker 14: I just realized too. I went home, I went to Eustless, Florida,

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Speaker 14: and stayed at my uncle and ant's house and there

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Speaker 14: downstairs and hung with family. And it was at that

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Speaker 14: COVID time where no one was working. We weren't touring.

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Speaker 7: It was Wire's Florida, so it was open. You know, Florida.

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Speaker 7: We're doing Florida. Never got COVID yet, stopped at the

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Speaker 7: Georgia line.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: So, dude, I think I just got re and retouched

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Speaker 14: with your roots, man, because you know, I mean, like

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Speaker 14: you were saying, we're all over the place all the time,

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Speaker 14: and it's very easy to get disconnected. And I think

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Speaker 14: I was during that ang that that was when I

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Speaker 14: started seeing some of that anger start popping up.

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Speaker 7: And then I went from oh.

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Speaker 14: You want to say that, Okay, Well, now the trailer

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Speaker 14: park uses Florida kid comes out. You know, I'm like,

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Speaker 14: I'm ready to fight, and I'm I'm like, what do

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00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 14: you say? You don't know anything about this, And so

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Speaker 14: I was like, I need to go home, chill with

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Speaker 14: my mom, you know, with my buddy's fish, with my cousin,

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Speaker 14: just do stuff that we did and just reconnecting and

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00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 14: push that all away and not even not even look

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Speaker 14: at it.

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Speaker 3: It had been hard to even listen to the radio though,

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00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 3: because you're on all of a sudden, you hear a

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00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 3: song about you and you're like, mother.

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00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I just embraced that. I just turned it up.

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Speaker 6: Good for you.

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01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was like, screw up, man, let's go.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

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Speaker 1: This is the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 4: Did you write songs that you'd never put out?

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01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:19,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, there's a couple.

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Speaker 14: I wrote one with my buddy John Saderfield and John

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Speaker 14: Stone that we might put out at some point, but

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Speaker 14: it's not. It was mainly just honestly, I don't think

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Speaker 14: I actually will. Because we were on my bus one

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01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 14: day and they came out to write and I was

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01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 14: just like man, because everybody kept asking, he's going to

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01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 14: write a song, you know, just I was like no.

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Speaker 3: Because everybody felt like they would have backed. I mean, honestly,

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01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 3: we're all like, yeah, wow, like he's it's going hard

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Speaker 3: on him.

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Speaker 10: True, not true.

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Speaker 7: We don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know your relationship, right, I don't know what happened.

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Speaker 4: But it's like, god, dang, there's like six songs in

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Speaker 4: her ever song about you, Like, how's.

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Speaker 6: He not respecting?

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Speaker 3: Ye?

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Speaker 10: FONDI yeah?

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Speaker 7: And that was, you know.

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Speaker 14: I mean, I think she could have gone a different

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01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 14: way of that, and I think it was you know,

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01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 14: I think you know. Also, I don't think people realize

1383
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 14: we we both we grew up in broken, broken homes.

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01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 14: We know people from our hometown. Sadly, in small towns,

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01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 14: broken homes is more common than ever.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 14: I know how hard a divorce can be. I've seen it,

1388
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 14: seen it when my parents have seen it with buddies

1389
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 14: of mine. I got friend of mine with four kids.

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01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 14: He's hundreds of thousands of dollars and still fighting, you

1391
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 14: know in there, it's just wow, it's as hell. We

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01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 14: didn't own anything together. We both signed prenups. I haven't

1393
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 14: seen her spoken her in three and a half years.

1394
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 14: I went my way, she went hers voice paper sent

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01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 14: to my manager's office. I signed them, got sent to

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01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 14: her business manager's office.

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Speaker 6: She signed him.

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01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 7: That was it. That's clean, that was clean.

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01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 6: It's clear.

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01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 14: There's not this like And I'm not downplaying anything, and

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01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 14: I'm not downplaying Hardbury what anybody goes through, any of that.

1402
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 14: But when you look at what my problem was, why

1403
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,959
Speaker 14: are we trying to make a financial gain on something

1404
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 14: that is not what is being portrayed? You know, when

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01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,439
Speaker 14: I see friends of mine that have gone through hell

1406
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 14: and back, you know, on both sides of the fence

1407
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 14: man process of a divorce, the process, through the fighting

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01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 14: back and forth, I'm like, you know, yes, ours was public.

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01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 14: Yes there is some answers to fans, like you said,

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Speaker 14: they feel like they needed and a we let them in,

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01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 14: so you got to, you know. But on the on

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Speaker 14: the whole thing, I was like, man, this isn't as

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01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 14: what This isn't what people think it was, you know,

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01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 14: And it was as clean as it could be. It

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01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 14: was a breakup with paperwork. I hate that it happened.

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01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 14: No one gets married to get divorced. I It's something

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01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 14: that haunted me for years, you know, again made me

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01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 14: mad at myself, made me you know, you over you

1419
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 14: played things through where I did look back and go,

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01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 14: maybe I should have done that different. You know, I

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Speaker 14: think you have no other choice in those situations to

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01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 14: look in the mirror and go, Okay, what what did

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01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 14: I What did I do out of this?

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01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 9: What?

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01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 10: What?

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01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 14: How can I stop what I did? If I what

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01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 14: I contributed to this? How do I not bring this

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01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 14: into the next and which is how it helped me

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01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 14: get through all of it, you know. But that was

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Speaker 14: the part that really just kind of stuck to me

1431
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 14: a lot. Was like, Man, I don't think people realize

1432
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 14: like this wasn't this like gruesome battle. It was trying

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01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 14: to be forced to be something way bigger than it was,

1434
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 14: you know. And I think too, that's why I didn't

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Speaker 14: want to add any flame to the fire.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that was part one of the Top ten

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Speaker 3: Bobby Cast of twenty twenty three. We'll be back next

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Speaker 3: For King of Country, Awesome, Dallas Smith and his story

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