WEBVTT - How to Set Boundaries and Change Your Life

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, fam, I'm Jada Pinkett Smith and this is the

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<v Speaker 1>York Times bestselling book and it has helped us so much,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's work, family, kids, friends, boundaries with your money.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why boundaries will always be a lifelong practice. Say

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<v Speaker 1>it again. I used to have really aggressive boundaries because

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<v Speaker 1>my boundaries weren't respected as a child. I get angry

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<v Speaker 1>if you make me set a boundary, you challenge their behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>and people don't like a challenge. I guess I'm considering

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<v Speaker 1>that a weakness. Yeah, oh, it's not that heavy. We

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<v Speaker 1>got we got who huh? We got what we got?

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<v Speaker 1>So we are lucky to have talented actress and our

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<v Speaker 1>you are, because you know Miss Willow is on school,

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<v Speaker 1>so you are our guest host. I am this is

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<v Speaker 1>the only job of Willows I could assist in because

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<v Speaker 1>you she's like a rock star now. Yes, she's rocking

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<v Speaker 1>it out yea and loving it. We're here to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about boundaries. And a friend that we both share told

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<v Speaker 1>us about a New York Times best selling book and

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<v Speaker 1>it has helped me so much and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>bring it to the table. It's called set boundaries fine peace.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean for me, when it comes to everything, I

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<v Speaker 1>have a difficult time setting boundaries with it all, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's work, family, kids, friends, boundaries with your money. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for me, setting boundaries is new. When I was younger,

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<v Speaker 1>I was okay with being in conflict about my boundaries.

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<v Speaker 1>But now as I got older, I'm like, oh, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a way to say things and learning how to have

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<v Speaker 1>peaceful boundaries with me. I get angry if you make

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<v Speaker 1>me set a boundary, I get angry at you. Isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that crazy? So now you're putting me in a position

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<v Speaker 1>that I gotta tell you to like give me fifty

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<v Speaker 1>You couldn't see that. I definitely realized that it is

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<v Speaker 1>a huge weakness of mine, and it's definitely played into

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of relationship issues. So therapist Nedra Towab's best

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<v Speaker 1>selling book is being called The Boundary Bible, and she's

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<v Speaker 1>here to set us all free, can get us all

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<v Speaker 1>the way together. Welcome to the table. Let's define what

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<v Speaker 1>boundaries means. Yeah, boundaries are the solution. It's what we want,

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<v Speaker 1>what we need, our expectations. It's not for other people

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<v Speaker 1>to set, it's for me to do. Yeah, I really

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<v Speaker 1>get angry when I'm forced to set a boundary. I

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<v Speaker 1>realized that the other day with a friend of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I really have to talk to this

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<v Speaker 1>person about this issue that I'm having. Then I got

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<v Speaker 1>mad at that person for making me have to advocate

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<v Speaker 1>for myself. And that was deep. That was deep. So

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes we'll say like, well, why doesn't this person know? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I think of it as a preference. You may not

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<v Speaker 1>know what my preference is for something, and so it's

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<v Speaker 1>my job to communicate to you this is what I need,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I want, this is what would work

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<v Speaker 1>best for me. But just assuming that they should know

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<v Speaker 1>because they're your friend, they've known you for ten years,

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<v Speaker 1>or any of these things, it's unfair and it does

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<v Speaker 1>put us in this space of feeling resentful, upset at

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<v Speaker 1>them for having to do this, but their boundaries are different. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I love how you just frame that as it's

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<v Speaker 1>a preference. It's no right or wrong to it. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like the boundaries and I'm asking for petty,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm real old school. Don't come into the house

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<v Speaker 1>if I don't really know you and just go on

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<v Speaker 1>my pantry. Yeah. Yeah, that's a code that might have

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<v Speaker 1>been lost over time, but I'm still with that. I

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<v Speaker 1>but if it makes you are comfortable, it's okay to

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<v Speaker 1>say something. Some of us it doesn't matter. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not an issue unless it's an issue. Recently, I

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<v Speaker 1>Wanta called me and their conversation was toxic, and um

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to indulge in it, and I stopped

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<v Speaker 1>in mid sentence and I was like, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really not in this space. I wish you peace and love.

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<v Speaker 1>And they got off the phone. And then a week

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<v Speaker 1>later I hear that they're talking so bad about me.

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<v Speaker 1>So I there, I am creating a healthy boundary, and

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<v Speaker 1>it felt like it went to slap me in my face.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't control how people respond. We can say things

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<v Speaker 1>in the nicest way you can smile and say it.

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<v Speaker 1>This conversation isn't working for me. However you say it,

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<v Speaker 1>their takeaway will be wow, I was just trying to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about X, Y and Z. Why is she upset?

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<v Speaker 1>You have to know that the boundary in and of

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<v Speaker 1>itself wasn't offensive. You gave them love and peace and

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<v Speaker 1>have a wonderful day, all the things we're supposed to say.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think the bigger issue is you challenge their behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, and people don't like a challenge because

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<v Speaker 1>what you said was whoa this conversation it is unhealthy

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<v Speaker 1>for me to hear. And that person probably thought, like,

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<v Speaker 1>are you saying I'm unhealthy? World? No, No, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>say you were unhealthy. I said this is a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm not willing to be a part of. Boundaries

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<v Speaker 1>will challenge people's behavior. That will create some upsets, But

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<v Speaker 1>it's okay because I'm gonna tell you something else. In

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<v Speaker 1>that challenge, you start to realize where certain people should

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<v Speaker 1>be in your life. Got a couple of circles and

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<v Speaker 1>you may need to stay out here, right, we might

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<v Speaker 1>have to put but here. They were already out there,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm like you want to get in the square.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgotten because I realized, like, in the process of

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<v Speaker 1>learning how to set boundaries is also setting boundaries on myself.

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<v Speaker 1>And I realized that's probably why I get upset when

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<v Speaker 1>I have to set boundaries, because now I'm in challenged,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm being checked. I gotta grow. Oh so you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make me grow right now, right now, right this second,

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<v Speaker 1>You're about to make me grow that I'm real, smooth

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<v Speaker 1>and comfortable. That's why boundaries will always be a lifelong practice,

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<v Speaker 1>because no matter where we are and how much we've

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<v Speaker 1>cleaned house or what we've done, will need to continue

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<v Speaker 1>those boundaries and recognizing too that as you grow and change,

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<v Speaker 1>your boundaries are going to grow and change. Because I

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<v Speaker 1>had a situation recently where I was like, for right now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what works for me, and it doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to work for you. I need that space and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not willing to have that person in my space right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And how did that How did they respond to that?

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't directly to the person. It was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>make other people understand why that person couldn't be in

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<v Speaker 1>your space. And that's always interesting when it's a circle

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<v Speaker 1>of people and everyone else is like, why can't this

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<v Speaker 1>person be involved? So that is a boundary to to

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<v Speaker 1>let people know, hey, I understand this is your person.

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<v Speaker 1>They are not my person right now. That challenges that

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<v Speaker 1>person because now they're thinking, well, is this something wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with the type of people are like no, no, no, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>but I have a preference of something different and that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that you reframe that just a preference, a preference. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So that just says there are key boundaries. First, it

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<v Speaker 1>is emotional boundaries. Can you explain? Emotional boundaries are your feelings?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think so often when people feel something, we

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<v Speaker 1>tell them how to feel. It's an attempt to support,

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<v Speaker 1>to say well it will be okay, or you shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel this way. So it's telling people how to feel

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<v Speaker 1>when they should be over something, what they should do

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<v Speaker 1>with the feeling. Those are the violations. Okay, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>just talk about this for a second. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I've been somewhe okay, So all right, yeah, I'm tame.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna be all right, it's gonna be okay. You

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<v Speaker 1>a week, I gotta do this. Then the third we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna figure it out how do you know. I'm like, look, girl,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta do this and one week you will be better.

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<v Speaker 1>So to demonstrate how our emotional boundaries can be violated,

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<v Speaker 1>we set up this scenario. Let's take a watch justin

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really tired, sorry from what baby? Well, I just

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<v Speaker 1>get an email from Molly's teacher and it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>she's not doing well in math. Let's figure out how

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<v Speaker 1>to get Billy to the dentist tomorrow because the babysitter

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<v Speaker 1>is sick and I just had to deal fall through

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<v Speaker 1>at work. So it's just it's been a day, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you crying? No, I'm not. It's just it's a lot. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>if you are not crying right now, listen, listen. I

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<v Speaker 1>just think that you overthink everything. You can't deal with

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<v Speaker 1>it right now anyway. Why are you getting mad? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just letting you know how I'm feeling. Yeah, but you

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be sad. I mean, there's nothing to be sad about.

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<v Speaker 1>When I try to talk about my feelings, it just

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<v Speaker 1>seems to make things worse. So I'm just going to

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<v Speaker 1>keep my feelings to myself. I just had a situation

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<v Speaker 1>like that where someone was explaining a scenario to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were describing that the person got very tearful,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, what's she crying for? We all

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<v Speaker 1>cry for different reasons. Yeah, But I mean I'm just thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>like how I didn't think about it that way. I

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<v Speaker 1>have this thing where I don't have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>patience for what I consider I guess I'm considering that

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<v Speaker 1>a weakness. Yeah, yet overs it's not. It's not that

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<v Speaker 1>heavy like that brought you to tears. But I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes about the situations that might bring us to tears

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<v Speaker 1>when other people would be okay, right, because there are

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<v Speaker 1>things that you might get upset and be ready to

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<v Speaker 1>cry about and then here's someone else signed to you

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<v Speaker 1>that's not a big deal. But we determine what the

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<v Speaker 1>big deal is. And I think sometimes too. When I

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<v Speaker 1>was looking at that, I was like, dang, I see

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<v Speaker 1>myself in there, you know, because I always say it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be okay, you know, because I always want people

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<v Speaker 1>to feel better, you know what I'm saying. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to see people sad. Yeah, it's so hard. So

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<v Speaker 1>much of my job is watching people feel right, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't even give people tissue, like I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>tissue is there. When you're ready for it, you grab it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want you to stop your process, just feel it,

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<v Speaker 1>because this is good. It's coming out. I will sit

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<v Speaker 1>here and it's stare at you until you're ready to talk,

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<v Speaker 1>because this is what needs to happen. You're saying that

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<v Speaker 1>what we should do is really be able to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to people feel just whole space to just sit there

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<v Speaker 1>if they are feeling overwhelmed stress is not our job

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<v Speaker 1>to say what they should be stressed about. You can

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<v Speaker 1>help them problem solved, but you certainly aren't making them

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<v Speaker 1>feel less overwhelmed by telling them this is not overwhelming.

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<v Speaker 1>You are making them feel less supported. And I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>stop trying to fix every damn thing. That's not my job.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me as a friend, though, You just help space

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<v Speaker 1>for me a couple of times crying like that help.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like I'm here, like, no, I need help fix it.

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<v Speaker 1>You help space for me before if they don't be

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<v Speaker 1>too hard. Yeah, it sounds like you recognize your limitations,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is a thing that I can't fix for you,

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<v Speaker 1>and my only job here is to let you cry

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<v Speaker 1>because I can't for sure what is that I knew

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<v Speaker 1>I could not fix was there? I know? Yeah for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's see that same situation again, but now with

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<v Speaker 1>a boundary in place. Okay, why are you crying? You

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<v Speaker 1>overthink everything? Are you getting mad? I'm just telling you

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<v Speaker 1>how I'm feeling. Oh, you stop being so sensitive. I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>I am just trying to talk with you. But you're

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<v Speaker 1>being dismissive of my feelings and that doesn't work for me.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not okay for you to tell me how

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<v Speaker 1>I feel. You're right, I'm sorry, babe. I didn't realize

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<v Speaker 1>how I was making you feel. Come here, m Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>See what happens when we tell people what we need.

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<v Speaker 1>He probably had no clue, right, and so to have

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<v Speaker 1>someone say this is not working for me. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to talk. That is eye opening and it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>and I actually want to support you, and it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like you have a way of me doing that for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta give the little props because you'll call me

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<v Speaker 1>disrupted and be like, I don't need you to fix anything, mom,

0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:23.080
<v Speaker 1>I just want you to listen. I go fantastic, I

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<v Speaker 1>got you because she knows I'm gonna go straight to Okay, Well,

0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:27.880
<v Speaker 1>we could do this and do that, and I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do that. No, just listen to me, Mommy, I just

0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.480
<v Speaker 1>need you to listen. So, yeah, it's good, it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been able to do that with my husband too,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think men typically are fixers. They want to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you how to fix something, and sometimes I don't.

0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't want you to fix it. I just need

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<v Speaker 1>you to listen to what I'm saying. Yeah, with adult children,

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<v Speaker 1>what I've noticed is that shift in en rolls. Right

0:14:56.080 --> 0:15:00.320
<v Speaker 1>with small children, you are fixing something, but as it's

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<v Speaker 1>become adults, now it's do you want a suggestion or

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<v Speaker 1>you just want me to listen. That's good. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>start using that word. So next key boundary area is

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<v Speaker 1>called material. It's your possessions, it's your money, it is

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<v Speaker 1>your stuff. Maddie, there you are, check me out. That's

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<v Speaker 1>my dress. What are you doing? You have all the

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<v Speaker 1>best clothes? Like, where did you get this? Maddie's been

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<v Speaker 1>telling me for years that I can borrow all of

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<v Speaker 1>her stuff. But what you didn't even ask? What are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing? I'm going to the museum at gala party

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow night. How did you get invited to that? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I saw the invitation on your nightstand, and I called

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<v Speaker 1>and I got myself in. I love her, but she

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<v Speaker 1>borrows all my stuff without even asking. I can't believe

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<v Speaker 1>she took the invitation. Should off my dresser, Come on,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go chare and more dress This from your closet.

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<v Speaker 1>That face is a sign that she needs some boundaries, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you experienced anything like this? I mean I have.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I always asked shot up. It's really hard

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<v Speaker 1>for me because when you have so much to offer, this,

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<v Speaker 1>so much to give. I'll just go into my storage

0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:38.080
<v Speaker 1>and people have either taking stuff that I didn't ask,

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<v Speaker 1>or they're putting stuff in the storage without asking if

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<v Speaker 1>they can use storage space. But those are the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of things I just kind of less slide or just

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<v Speaker 1>decided to borrow that bowl that was in the kitchen

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<v Speaker 1>just for this little event I'm having. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>feel guilty because I shouldn't make a difference what it does, right,

0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.160
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it shouldn't make a difference. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, you know, as trying to get to

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<v Speaker 1>that spiritual enlightenment that material things don't matter, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. But at the same time, it's the audacity.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it could be the boundary and it's not

0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.800
<v Speaker 1>the material thing, you know, because you feel like people

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<v Speaker 1>don't respect the relationship. I'm trying to learn because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like her, I'm always like, my house is your house?

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<v Speaker 1>That really felt like when you're in like good relationships

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<v Speaker 1>with people and just whatever, take it all. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>about the bowl itself. It is about respect and the

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<v Speaker 1>way that we can honor this relationship is by asking.

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<v Speaker 1>And typically I will say yes. Yeah, I always say yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and I will always want to be asked. That's real,

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<v Speaker 1>that's real. I want to be I'm learning that, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard because where I've come from. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>most of the people that I have around me, we

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<v Speaker 1>come from the same place. You want to just offer everything,

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<v Speaker 1>offer with boundaries. I'm learning how to do that. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see the same situation with the boundary and place. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's my dress. What are you doing? I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>the Museum Galli party tomorrow, Knights. I didn't know that

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<v Speaker 1>you got invited to that. Oh yeah, I saw the

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<v Speaker 1>invitation on your nightstand and I called and I got

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<v Speaker 1>myself in. Listen, Rachel, I really don't appreciate you taking

0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:20.520
<v Speaker 1>things off of my dresser. You didn't even ask. I

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<v Speaker 1>also don't think I can let you borrow any more

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<v Speaker 1>of my clothes. Okay, I still look goodness dress though,

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<v Speaker 1>right I'll go take it off, thank you and scene

0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:39.800
<v Speaker 1>and right there you go, just realizing in those boundaries

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<v Speaker 1>that you said, you really start to see who's a

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<v Speaker 1>real friend and not because a real friend if you

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<v Speaker 1>were you said, you know, a Lauren, that makes me

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<v Speaker 1>a little uncomfortable when you do that, or can you

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<v Speaker 1>not ask me that anymore? I would feel so bad

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<v Speaker 1>because I put you in that position. I as a

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<v Speaker 1>friend would be like, I'm really sorry. I had no

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<v Speaker 1>idea would never happen again. And you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>people have to understand that they're not entitled really entitlment.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you know people that are close to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I've done the same where you feel entitled two people,

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<v Speaker 1>they're things I've had to check myself on both sides

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<v Speaker 1>of that coin, or even entitled to knowing certain things

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<v Speaker 1>about them. Yeah, I see that as a really big one,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly like on social media. Well why didn't not know

0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:36.639
<v Speaker 1>or how did they keep that a secrets? Because the

0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:41.040
<v Speaker 1>relationship is not one where they were ready to disclose. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's real talk right there. With boundaries, there are times

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<v Speaker 1>where we feel guilty. That's my whole child guilt was

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<v Speaker 1>a full guilt trip. My whole jobhood was yeah, right

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<v Speaker 1>into some nation. Unfortunately, I was a a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>guilt on you. It's a powerful tactic. And yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>we have to unlearn it. We have to unlearned the guilt.

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<v Speaker 1>It's okay to to say it's um. I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>think it was intentional. I think it was just like

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<v Speaker 1>the way of the world we came from. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>have once your child, don't ask me questions, sit down,

0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:26.480
<v Speaker 1>or like, oh I don't like going to some and

0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:29.439
<v Speaker 1>Sell's house, were we going anywhere? We're going anyway? Or

0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:31.480
<v Speaker 1>they ain't do nothing to you? You know, why are

0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:33.960
<v Speaker 1>you acting like that around summer? So they're nice, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why I used to have really aggressive boundaries because

0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:41.600
<v Speaker 1>my boundaries weren't um respected. As a child. I got

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<v Speaker 1>really aggressive with my boundary. So it's like, oh, you

0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.719
<v Speaker 1>don't hear what I'm saying. I'm gonna fight you. I'm

0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:50.040
<v Speaker 1>a sock you you're gonna respect the violence. I think

0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:56.080
<v Speaker 1>we're both unraveling that aspect of using violence as a

0:20:56.160 --> 0:21:00.680
<v Speaker 1>survival mechanism because that was the only thing that those

0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:05.760
<v Speaker 1>environments would respect. Yeah, all right, Well the next boundary

0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:14.040
<v Speaker 1>area is physical. Here's an example of someone crossing that line. Hey, baby,

0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Susan's almost here. Thank you for being social today for me.

0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:24.840
<v Speaker 1>You got a baby? There we go. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>this is so exciting. Where here a hug? I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to hug. I am mortified. I told her yesterday that

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't like to hug. What am I supposed to do?

0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Tell her to take her hands with my boyfriend? So greg, um,

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<v Speaker 1>let me go get you guys some drinks. Have to

0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:56.040
<v Speaker 1>seat me yourself at home. I'll be right back. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a good couch. So Michelle told me that you are

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<v Speaker 1>a semi pro soccer player football. Actually you're so fit.

0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Susan is one of Michelle's best friends. But she's a

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<v Speaker 1>little touchy touchy, and I'm not Oh this is a

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<v Speaker 1>good one. Yeah, this one. How do you think he

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<v Speaker 1>should have handled that, Lauren? You know me personally, I

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<v Speaker 1>would have been very discreet and taking her hands and

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<v Speaker 1>gave him a little squeezed like thank you and put

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<v Speaker 1>them back in her respectful space and body. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>I would have handled it up in the air, if

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<v Speaker 1>that would have been the right way or not, because

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<v Speaker 1>I have been in positions like that before, which just

0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:49.919
<v Speaker 1>people you know, coming and put their arm around you,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, are taking pictures with you and having

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<v Speaker 1>their arms on your waist or hugging, you know, just

0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:59.960
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, And I've always been like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>since my body, I don't like, you know, being touched

0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:07.040
<v Speaker 1>by strangers or people I work with. But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if that's the correct Wait, I'm sure I should

0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:13.879
<v Speaker 1>say something that's a good way to physically interject, and

0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:16.400
<v Speaker 1>I think he tried that by moving a little bit,

0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:19.639
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes that works. I think in this scenario, what

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<v Speaker 1>stood out for me the most was her friend was

0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:27.600
<v Speaker 1>informed that he did not like to be hugged and

0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:31.439
<v Speaker 1>he didn't like physical touch. When we like something, we

0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:33.919
<v Speaker 1>think everybody else should like it, and it's anything. You

0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:36.680
<v Speaker 1>go to your favorite restaurant, You're like girl to pasta.

0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:39.439
<v Speaker 1>You gotta try to pasta. You know you should go?

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<v Speaker 1>Can we go Tuesday? You just want people to be

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<v Speaker 1>like you, to feel like you. You are introvert, You

0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:49.680
<v Speaker 1>should be more extroverted. You know, we like to get

0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:52.760
<v Speaker 1>people on our page. I think that was her attempt, like, well,

0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:55.520
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't like physical touch, but he hasn't met me,

0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:59.119
<v Speaker 1>and it's like he doesn't like anyone's physical touch. And

0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:02.320
<v Speaker 1>we have to be very clear that it's not you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's his preference. His preference is please do not give

0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:10.360
<v Speaker 1>me a hug. It's not because he doesn't like you,

0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:14.399
<v Speaker 1>your perfume or anything like that, but this is the preference.

0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:18.320
<v Speaker 1>It's not you, it's me, because it is me. It's

0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:22.440
<v Speaker 1>my preference. It's not you, it's me. So let's see

0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:27.320
<v Speaker 1>that same situation again with a boundary in place. Okay, Todd,

0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:33.680
<v Speaker 1>it is so nice to finally meet you. Hold see,

0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:36.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a hugger, but we could say go on it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna go get us some drinks and you

0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:48.199
<v Speaker 1>make yourself home perfect. Looks great, Thank you. So Michelle

0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:51.280
<v Speaker 1>told me, what's your mind? School over just a little bit.

0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:55.840
<v Speaker 1>I like my personal space. I got it. It was

0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:58.360
<v Speaker 1>hard to tell Susan to move over at first, but

0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:01.159
<v Speaker 1>I did and she sen and she moved over and

0:25:01.160 --> 0:25:05.439
<v Speaker 1>everything was fine. Yeah, so he handled it as he should.

0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:09.080
<v Speaker 1>For sure, she did his boundary's boundary, but then I

0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:12.240
<v Speaker 1>would have a talk with her anyway. She was too

0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:16.000
<v Speaker 1>close anyway, but that to be her friend's boyfriend. He

0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:18.520
<v Speaker 1>kept it cool, yeah, because he made like a joke

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:23.800
<v Speaker 1>and was like, hey, we're good, exact distance cool. I

0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:26.320
<v Speaker 1>love how At the end he said it was hard,

0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:30.360
<v Speaker 1>but I did it anyway, and she listened. Our assumption

0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:33.800
<v Speaker 1>is often that the person will not listen, that they

0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:38.200
<v Speaker 1>will hear the boundary, they will have this overreaction everything,

0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:40.640
<v Speaker 1>but they will be offended. Yeah. Most of the time

0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:44.080
<v Speaker 1>people listen, and most of the time people say okay,

0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:48.560
<v Speaker 1>sick a little bit back. Okay. That is typically how

0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:52.720
<v Speaker 1>a person will respond. So next up is sexual boundaries.

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Let's see that. How are the kids. How's work going?

0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Did you know something different with your hair? You look great?

0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:12.879
<v Speaker 1>You've been uh working out? Yeah a little? Um, so

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:17.960
<v Speaker 1>what's new with you? God? My brother is such a

0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:22.720
<v Speaker 1>lucky guy. I don't really like going to family parties

0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:26.280
<v Speaker 1>because of my brother in law, Richard. He thinks he's

0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:30.000
<v Speaker 1>being funny, but his comments kind of makes me feel uncomfortable.

0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, it's Richard, Okay, Richard, And

0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:39.640
<v Speaker 1>it's such a flirt. I really can't help it when

0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:43.480
<v Speaker 1>I get around you, Richard. I want to go to

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:47.560
<v Speaker 1>the bar and sir, another drink. Sir, you know, I

0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:50.239
<v Speaker 1>see Aunt Betty all by yourself, so I'm gonna go

0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:52.600
<v Speaker 1>check on her. Okay, but have a drink for me.

0:26:54.000 --> 0:27:00.680
<v Speaker 1>See you around Richard, m hm say I would tell

0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:05.880
<v Speaker 1>my husband, is it? Yeah? Yeah, I think that's certainly

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 1>a situation that needs to be addressed because it will

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:14.960
<v Speaker 1>keep occurring, and it needs to be a group effort

0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:18.280
<v Speaker 1>because this is a family situation. There will be tons

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 1>of family events, and this level of inappropriateness is it's

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:31.399
<v Speaker 1>hurtful and it is disgusting. Let's see how she uses

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:37.119
<v Speaker 1>boundaries with her brother in law in an alternate take. God,

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:42.439
<v Speaker 1>my brother is such a lucky guy. Okay, Richard, I

0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 1>know you're my brother in law, but your comments about

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:49.919
<v Speaker 1>my appearance makes me feel really uncomfortable. And I'm not

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:53.959
<v Speaker 1>interested in having this conversation. And I'm just joking around.

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 1>I know, but it's not funny, and I'm done talking

0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:06.480
<v Speaker 1>to you. Good night, Richard, and good night. I remember

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:10.720
<v Speaker 1>the first time someone told an inappropriate joke and I said, oh,

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:14.120
<v Speaker 1>that's not funny. They were so shocked. It was like

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:18.359
<v Speaker 1>no one had ever said to them that's not appropriate,

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:23.000
<v Speaker 1>it's not funny. I have a wonderful sense of humor.

0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 1>I like oh types of comedy, but what you said

0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:28.359
<v Speaker 1>that wasn't a joke and it wasn't funny. Yeah. I

0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:31.440
<v Speaker 1>think we've all come across those people. I just get

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:35.359
<v Speaker 1>quiet around them, like, don't even think of coming over here,

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 1>coming over here with that? Right? So next, we have

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:43.040
<v Speaker 1>intellectual actual boundaries. Intellectual boundaries are your thoughts and ideas.

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:47.240
<v Speaker 1>It's not okay for them to be domained, for people

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<v Speaker 1>to try to change your mind or tell you that

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<v Speaker 1>it's not okay to think a certain way, particularly when

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<v Speaker 1>that way is not harming anyone else. Okay, I need

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<v Speaker 1>to see what that looks like. And miss you. I

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<v Speaker 1>miss you too, Lockdown, how are the kids? Hell? I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk to you about all the Thanksgiving plans

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<v Speaker 1>that we have this year. I think Mom is really

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<v Speaker 1>going to be impressed. Wow, Marcia, are we really doing

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<v Speaker 1>things giving? I just didn't think we were going to

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<v Speaker 1>do it this year with everything going on? Is it safe?

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<v Speaker 1>Not only are we going to get together, We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do it big? Yeah, I don't really think that's a

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<v Speaker 1>good idea. It should be small. This year, I planned

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<v Speaker 1>this whole Thanksgiving meal, and I thought my sister would

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<v Speaker 1>have been excited about it. She's making it all about her. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I already invited the Johnson the Derekson's and mom and dad,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's like twenty three people. And you know how

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<v Speaker 1>I feel about social distancing, and I'm being very careful.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna be an a diva and you're ruining our

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<v Speaker 1>Thanksgiving tradition. Talking to my sister, it's like talking to

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<v Speaker 1>a brick wall. I already feel so resentful of her,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know how to tell her that I

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<v Speaker 1>heat that she makes me feel bad, but I'm worried

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<v Speaker 1>about these people coming over. She's dismissive and she's makes

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<v Speaker 1>me feel like a villain. Hm hm. The intellectual pieces

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<v Speaker 1>that they had different perspectives about how to operate in

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic, and we have to allow people to pandemic

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<v Speaker 1>however they pandemic. That's right, what may not work for you.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of boundaries. Being a cross with it

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<v Speaker 1>really is. A friend of mine called me a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of weeks ago, her and her sister stopped talking because

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<v Speaker 1>she set a boundary with her house. We all have

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<v Speaker 1>different comfort levels. Yes, this is really that time and

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<v Speaker 1>the holidays are coming up. Okay, well let's see how

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<v Speaker 1>these sisters work it out. You're being such a diva.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you can disagree without calling me names. Don't you

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<v Speaker 1>realize you're ruining Thanksgiving? You know I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you if you keep raising your voice and

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<v Speaker 1>dismissing me. So what are we gonna do? Just stay home? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to seriously urge mom and dad to

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<v Speaker 1>do the same. Are you serious? I'm serious? You know

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<v Speaker 1>I'm serious. If I'm not crystal clear with my sister,

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<v Speaker 1>she'll take over everyone's life. Just because she's older, she

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<v Speaker 1>thinks she's right all the time. My opinion matters just

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<v Speaker 1>as much as hers. It sounds like because I was

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<v Speaker 1>a baby, or my opinion about things didn't matter because

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<v Speaker 1>you were the baby. Well you are the baby, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's so important that we just respect where

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<v Speaker 1>people are sitting here. And unfortunately, the more you let

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<v Speaker 1>boundaries go and don't communicate it, now you have to

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<v Speaker 1>unravel a habitual lack of boundary, which a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>us tend to have to do, especially important relationships because

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<v Speaker 1>we've let him go for so long. So m and

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<v Speaker 1>people are so used to just operating in a certain way.

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<v Speaker 1>You can change your mind at any time. You can

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<v Speaker 1>have a new boundary that you didn't have yesterday. Watching

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<v Speaker 1>this show, people will look and say, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I need to change, And the change

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<v Speaker 1>can happen today. It doesn't have to be why I've

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<v Speaker 1>been doing it for ten years now, I have to

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<v Speaker 1>keep doing it. You can. We grow and evolved, and

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<v Speaker 1>so it makes sense to shift whenever you need to. Oh, man,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much. Was awesome conversation. Yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a real blessing. I really hope that this helps people

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<v Speaker 1>big time, because every last one of us have problems

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<v Speaker 1>with setting up boundaries. You know what I mean. And

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<v Speaker 1>get the book. You will be blessed from reading that book.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that was good. You see good, guest her, you

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<v Speaker 1>did an amazing didn't just say that because I'm here.

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<v Speaker 1>That's real nice. I'm creating a boundary you did. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Thank you? I did. I know. I'm around

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