WEBVTT - Finding My Brother's Killer

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<v Speaker 1>Diversion audio.

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<v Speaker 2>A note this episode contains mature content and descriptions of

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<v Speaker 2>violence that may be disturbing for some listeners. Please take

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<v Speaker 2>care in listening. I want to tell you about a dream.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a recurring dream that Penny Farmer had after the

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<v Speaker 2>disappearance of her brother, one she wrote about in her

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<v Speaker 2>book on the case Dead.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Water.

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<v Speaker 2>It starts at a family party. Everyone is so happy, Penny,

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<v Speaker 2>her mother Audrey, her father Charles, her brother Nigel. They're

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<v Speaker 2>so happy because Chris is home with them, home with

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<v Speaker 2>all the people who love him, where he belongs. At

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the party, Penny knocks on Chris's bedroom door, grinning,

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<v Speaker 2>ready to gush about how glad she is to see him,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's under the covers. She walks to his bed

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<v Speaker 2>and sits down on the edge, and then she glances

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<v Speaker 2>at the nightstand. Lying on the table is a rubber

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<v Speaker 2>mask of her brother's face. She pulls aside the sheets.

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<v Speaker 2>The man lying underneath is a stranger. Imagine having that

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<v Speaker 2>dream over and over from the time you were a teenager.

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<v Speaker 2>Penny has been literally haunted her whole life. She's haunted

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<v Speaker 2>by hope, then despair, then false leads, and always this

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<v Speaker 2>sense of what's missing, of something wrong for forty years

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<v Speaker 2>until she took her brother's cold case into her own hands.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the greatest true crime stories ever told. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Mary Kay McBriar. I'm a writer of true crime, which

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<v Speaker 2>means I live inside the research wormhole. I'm constantly reading

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<v Speaker 2>about crime, but I'm not necessarily interested in all the

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<v Speaker 2>headline grabbing elements, the blood and the gore and all

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<v Speaker 2>of that. I'm more interesting in the people behind these

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<v Speaker 2>stories and what we can learn about society by looking

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<v Speaker 2>at their experiences. If you want evidence of my obsession,

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<v Speaker 2>you can read my book America's First Female serial Killer,

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<v Speaker 2>Jane Toppin and the Making of a Monster. You can

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<v Speaker 2>also meet me here every week when I dig into

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<v Speaker 2>crimes where a woman is not just a victim. She

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<v Speaker 2>might be as the detective, the lawyer, the witness, the coroner,

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<v Speaker 2>the criminal, or a combination of those roles. As you

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<v Speaker 2>probably already know, women can do anything. Today's episode is

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<v Speaker 2>the story of Penny Farmer, who lost her brother at

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<v Speaker 2>sea in the late nineteen seventies and never stopped looking

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<v Speaker 2>for him, not for forty years. There's nothing more frustrating

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<v Speaker 2>to me than watching a movie set before like two thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>mainly before cell phones, when information just wasn't scharable easily,

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<v Speaker 2>like in that scene of Zodiac when Mark Ruffalo has

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<v Speaker 2>to drive to the next county because they can't fax

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<v Speaker 2>documents to him. That always just makes me scream with

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<v Speaker 2>my mouth closed. Or when one cell phone calls could

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<v Speaker 2>cut all the suspense of a movie, solve the case

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<v Speaker 2>and unravel the plot completely. I hate that, Not to mention,

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<v Speaker 2>that's my reaction to just a movie. The inability to

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<v Speaker 2>retroactively apply new elements to old crimes in real life

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<v Speaker 2>is an insufferable injustice. So for a little while I

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<v Speaker 2>dated a private investigator. He lied about a lot of stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>as espionage workers are trained to do, but one thing

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<v Speaker 2>he said that struck me as very true is how

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<v Speaker 2>the early usage of Facebook basically did his job for him.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about Facebook before it was mostly a boom

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<v Speaker 2>or healthscape full of political hot takes, back when everyone

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<v Speaker 2>used it, usually with their real names, posting current pictures

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<v Speaker 2>of themselves in recognizable places where people wanted to be

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<v Speaker 2>found in hopes of connecting to people from their past.

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<v Speaker 2>And if I had a dime for every time I

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<v Speaker 2>snooped on a friend's blind date just by reverse searching

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<v Speaker 2>the guy's phone number. Well, frankly, it astonishes me how

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<v Speaker 2>any case got closed before the technologies we use so

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<v Speaker 2>easily nowadays. It's one reason why so many of them

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<v Speaker 2>ran cold. That and the fact that crimes get buried

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<v Speaker 2>under new crimes, crimes that can be worked more easily

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<v Speaker 2>with our new technology and new methods of gathering evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>It stands to reason that happens pretty often. Penny Farmer

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<v Speaker 2>didn't let that happen. Officials might have gotten pulled away

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<v Speaker 2>to more recent issues, but Penny applied the technologies she

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<v Speaker 2>had on hand as a regular citizen and brought justice

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<v Speaker 2>to her beloved brother.

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<v Speaker 1>Penny Farmer was.

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<v Speaker 2>Zooming through the roads of the northern England city of

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<v Speaker 2>Manchester in Chevrolet. The front seat was cramped and uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 2>with three squeezed in, but Penny didn't care. She sat

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<v Speaker 2>between her elder brother Chris and his friend in the

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<v Speaker 2>driver's seat, Pink Floyd's wish you were here flying through

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<v Speaker 2>the speakers, as she'd reminisced decades later in her book

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<v Speaker 2>on her brother's case.

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<v Speaker 1>Dead in the water. In that moment, she.

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<v Speaker 2>Told herself, I've arrived. Chris was the kind of brother

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<v Speaker 2>who gave his kid's sister lots of moments like that.

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<v Speaker 2>He played music at the house that was like a

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<v Speaker 2>live soundtrack of seventies cool Bob Dylan, David Bowie, Jimmy Hendrix,

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<v Speaker 2>Jefferson Airplane. He gave her a motorcycle ride once, just once,

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<v Speaker 2>because their mother, Audrey, was not thrilled. He dressed wild too,

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<v Speaker 2>bell bottoms, crop tops, a patchwork leather jacket, and he

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<v Speaker 2>had thick, stylish Penny admired him. She admired how he

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<v Speaker 2>made life exciting. It was no surprise when he and

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<v Speaker 2>his longtime girlfriend Peta announced that they were going to

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<v Speaker 2>travel the world when they finished their studies. Both advanced degrees,

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<v Speaker 2>his in medicine hers in law in nineteen seventy seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Farmer was twenty five, Peter Frampton was twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>The couple grew up across the street from one another,

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<v Speaker 2>and they'd been sweethearts since childhood. Chris and Peta had

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<v Speaker 2>already made many trips together through Europe and down to

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<v Speaker 2>North Africa. This trip would be different because it would

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<v Speaker 2>be long and it would take them all the way

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<v Speaker 2>from Australia through the South Seas to South America. After

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<v Speaker 2>Chris and Peter left for their big adventure in December

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy, Penny had to focus on the major life

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<v Speaker 2>events rushing toward her as a high scholer A level exams,

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<v Speaker 2>university applications. Every time Chris mailed the Farmer family one

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<v Speaker 2>of his messages, she'd get excited. They came as voice

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<v Speaker 2>recordings on cassettes and they painted these detailed, happy portraits

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<v Speaker 2>of his travels with Peter.

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<v Speaker 3>And then went on to Guadalajara, as I say, quite

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<v Speaker 3>a nice towns.

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<v Speaker 2>Not anything's heard of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Marry archies, but you'reinerant Mexican musicians and that's their hometown.

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<v Speaker 3>So every streetcorn you come to, you you've seen five

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<v Speaker 3>or six of these characters.

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<v Speaker 2>Playing their different size guitars and double basses, demanding a

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<v Speaker 2>few pay those.

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<v Speaker 1>For a song.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a clip of the tapes from the BBC podcast Paradise,

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<v Speaker 2>which did an investigative deep dive in to the case.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's so cool that Chris communicated this way.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, letters are great, I miss letters, but this

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty and genius and the cassette recordings let his

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<v Speaker 2>loved ones hear the sounds around him in the world too.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Pink Floyd in the background of this recording. It's

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<v Speaker 2>so evocative of the time. The tape really puts you

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<v Speaker 2>right there with Chris. Penny also tuned in for reports

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<v Speaker 2>from Peter's family. Peter regularly wrote long diary style letters

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<v Speaker 2>to her mother, Sammy Frampton, who passed on the news

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<v Speaker 2>to the Farmers. The trip sounded magical. Barbecues and shark

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<v Speaker 2>catching on the shores of Australia, scuba diving and snorkeling

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<v Speaker 2>in New Caledonia and Fiji, smoke plumes from Hawaii's volcanoes,

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<v Speaker 2>Aztec ruins and Wohaka, and then Belize City. Here Chris

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<v Speaker 2>and Peta met a man named Silas Dwayne Boston and

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<v Speaker 2>his two young sons, then thirteen year old Vince and

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<v Speaker 2>twelve year old Russell. Another tourist at a hotel bar

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<v Speaker 2>introduced them. Dwayne, he went by his middle name, was gregarious,

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<v Speaker 2>charming and a big drinker. But for Chris and Peta,

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<v Speaker 2>his real appeal was that he owned a boat which

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<v Speaker 2>he used to ferry tourists around the region. The Justin

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<v Speaker 2>b was a simple vessel, wooden, no bathroom or other

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<v Speaker 2>modern luxuries. Traveling on that thing would be a real adventure.

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<v Speaker 2>After a few short trips around the coast of Belize

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<v Speaker 2>and the nearby Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico, Peta and Chris

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<v Speaker 2>decide to join Dwayne on a longer sail down to

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<v Speaker 2>Costa Rica. Despite the fact that they hadn't planned to

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<v Speaker 2>travel that way, Peta said in a letter to her mother,

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<v Speaker 2>we thought it was an opportunity not to be missed.

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<v Speaker 2>More of Pete's letters trickled back to England after she

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<v Speaker 2>and Chris boarded the boat. At first, they painted the

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<v Speaker 2>same cheery picture as the previous letters. Quote, it's very

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<v Speaker 2>peaceful and we catch fish for supper. There's plenty of

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<v Speaker 2>snapper and grunt, not to mention catfish, which is tasty.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a real kick being able to catch your own supper.

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<v Speaker 2>The boat is not very comfortable, it's a bit cramped,

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<v Speaker 2>but during the day it's super just lying on the

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<v Speaker 2>hatches and soaking up the sun while the boat flies along.

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<v Speaker 1>That letter arrived in.

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<v Speaker 2>June nineteen seventy eight, dated June thirteenth, The Frampton and

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<v Speaker 2>former families devoured it, and then they waited for more,

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<v Speaker 2>and waited.

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<v Speaker 1>And waited.

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<v Speaker 2>They wondered if there was a postal strike, or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>Chris and Peter were sick. They began to worry, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>something was really wrong. They always updated their families, no

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<v Speaker 2>matter how far their adventures took them. But then in

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<v Speaker 2>August another letter. The letter was sweet relief for both families.

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<v Speaker 2>At first, it read like a usual Peta update for

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<v Speaker 2>the most part, although for the first time there was

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<v Speaker 2>a hint of tensions brewing on the boat. Peter wrote,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't mind ending my sailing career now I find

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<v Speaker 2>I have no patience at all with Twain's two sons.

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<v Speaker 2>But what makes it worse is that Dwayne curses and

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<v Speaker 2>puts them down continually. She signed off like this, enough

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<v Speaker 2>of the future. I don't think there's any more news.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing much happens on a boat.

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<v Speaker 1>Lots of love.

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<v Speaker 2>Dwayne and the boats. Apparently fading charm isn't what started

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<v Speaker 2>to worry. The family is back in England once again, though.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the fact that the letter was dated June twenty eighth,

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<v Speaker 2>with a PostScript marked June twenty ninth, and yet it

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't arrived in England until August. When Peter wasn't able

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<v Speaker 2>to post a letter right away, she always added to it,

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<v Speaker 2>dating the editions along the way. What had the couple

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<v Speaker 2>been doing throughout July. Then there was the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>no more letters arrived, nor any tapes from Chris, much

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<v Speaker 2>less phone calls. Neither family heard anything. The months following

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<v Speaker 2>that final August letter from Peta were a nightmare for

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<v Speaker 2>the Farmer and Frampton families. They got together and asked

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<v Speaker 2>the Foreign Office to investigate. They talked to their local

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<v Speaker 2>member of Parliament, asking him to look into it. Both

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<v Speaker 2>sets of parents wrote letters to all the British consuls

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<v Speaker 2>in Central and South America. Charles Farmer, Chris and Penny's

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<v Speaker 2>father was a reporter with BBC Television, so he knew

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<v Speaker 2>to turn to the news, taking every step possible to

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<v Speaker 2>get word of the disappearance out there. He and his wife,

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<v Speaker 2>Audrey did interviews with the BBC and ITV, A host

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<v Speaker 2>of national as well as local newspapers. Radio and TV

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<v Speaker 2>stations ran stories. The Farmers had a Spanish friend write

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<v Speaker 2>a letter to hotels and tourist spots around Guatemala. The

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<v Speaker 2>last place that Chris and Peter had written from. The

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<v Speaker 2>families and the public speculated about what could have happened.

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<v Speaker 1>The young couple might have been.

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<v Speaker 2>Thrown in some distant jail cell or taken hostage by

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<v Speaker 2>a faction in the ongoing Guatemala and Civil War, but

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<v Speaker 2>the Farmers and the Framptons didn't think too much about

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<v Speaker 2>the other options.

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<v Speaker 1>They couldn't not yet.

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<v Speaker 2>There was still hope leads here and there throughout September

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<v Speaker 2>and the first half of October, but none of the

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<v Speaker 2>leads seemed to go anywhere. Penny walked into silent rooms

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<v Speaker 2>around the house to find her mother alone, wiping.

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<v Speaker 1>Her way tears.

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<v Speaker 2>Penny was still just eighteen, but she wasn't the carefree

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<v Speaker 2>kid she was when Chris left nine months earlier, especially

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<v Speaker 2>not since the British Foreign Office finally made some progress

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<v Speaker 2>on the case in mid October. They tracked down silas

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<v Speaker 2>Dwayne Boston, who left Belize with his sons soon after

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<v Speaker 2>Chris and Peter's disappearance and made his way back to

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<v Speaker 2>his home state of California. I don't know about you,

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<v Speaker 2>but that is unacceptable. I mean, you're really going and

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<v Speaker 2>just not say nothing to nobody. After two of your

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<v Speaker 2>passengers go missing in front of your two little boys,

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<v Speaker 2>you think the best idea is to pack up and

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<v Speaker 2>leave the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone from the British Consulate called Dwayne and questioned him.

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<v Speaker 2>Dwayne's answers were vague and unhelpful. He said he dropped

0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:43.360
<v Speaker 2>off the couple in the port across the bay from Livingston,

0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Guatemala Covenetris Puntas Peninsula. From there, he had no idea

0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:50.040
<v Speaker 2>where they went.

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<v Speaker 1>He might have.

0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Seen them in Livingston around the ninth of July, but

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<v Speaker 2>it could have been a different couple. I just can't

0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:00.720
<v Speaker 2>buy that level of being totally out of it, not

0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:04.760
<v Speaker 2>even for the seventies. At this point, the British Consulate

0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:08.280
<v Speaker 2>was also convinced Dwayne was hiding something, or hiding a

0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:13.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of things. He was so evasive, but they had

0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:18.160
<v Speaker 2>no proof, so they interviewed him again in person. This time,

0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.919
<v Speaker 2>he was calm and collected when he started talking, but

0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:26.040
<v Speaker 2>when the questioning got into Chris and Peta, his demeanor

0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:27.480
<v Speaker 2>completely changed.

0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:29.440
<v Speaker 1>This is a.

0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.040
<v Speaker 2>Quote from the report the Farmers got. On the interview,

0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:37.879
<v Speaker 2>Dwayne Boston sat up straight in his chair, his eyes

0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:43.040
<v Speaker 2>widened and his breathing became heavy, his chest notably rising

0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:47.240
<v Speaker 2>and falling. Following this, he slumped back in his chair,

0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.840
<v Speaker 2>placing his face into his right hand, and in a

0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.800
<v Speaker 2>softly spoken voice, he said that he thought Chris and

0:18:53.880 --> 0:19:00.280
<v Speaker 2>Peta would be back home by now. The Coate was

0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:03.040
<v Speaker 2>more convinced than ever that there was foul play at

0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:07.240
<v Speaker 2>work here and Dwayne was involved. They told the Farmers

0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.160
<v Speaker 2>to take the case to the Greater Manchester Police. This

0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:15.439
<v Speaker 2>was officially a criminal investigation, but still there was no proof.

0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.240
<v Speaker 2>There was nothing to go on, not even bodies, just

0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:25.840
<v Speaker 2>unshakable intuition and good sense. By now, Chris and Peter

0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:30.240
<v Speaker 2>had been missing for six months. Penny watched her parents bury,

0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:33.840
<v Speaker 2>their grief and anxiety and the investigation even as it

0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:40.400
<v Speaker 2>stalled once again. Charles Farmer actually called Dwayne Boston himself

0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:44.520
<v Speaker 2>and talked to him with the clearance of the Manchester Police.

0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:48.359
<v Speaker 2>He got the same kind of evasive answers that Dwayne

0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:53.320
<v Speaker 2>had already given the Consulate. Charles came away convinced that

0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:57.480
<v Speaker 2>there was foul play too, and Dwayne was involved. So

0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:01.960
<v Speaker 2>the Farmers decided to try one more. They hired a

0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:05.359
<v Speaker 2>private detective to look into the case on the ground

0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:19.160
<v Speaker 2>in Balize. On February first, nineteen seventy nine, Penny finished

0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:22.520
<v Speaker 2>the school day. She walked to a telephone booth in

0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Wilmslow Town Center and dialed home. She started telling her mother, Audrey,

0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:30.919
<v Speaker 2>that she was going to be late for dinner. She

0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:34.080
<v Speaker 2>wanted to go over to a friend's house, but, as

0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:39.320
<v Speaker 2>she'd later recall in her book, her mother interrupted her, no,

0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:48.439
<v Speaker 2>you need to come home now. Penny heard something in

0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Audrey's voice, a faltering distress. She didn't ask questions she

0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:59.040
<v Speaker 2>didn't need to. As she rushed through the two mile

0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:03.320
<v Speaker 2>walk home alone along the darkening road, She felt completely shattered.

0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:07.640
<v Speaker 2>She described the feeling in her book, The world felt

0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.000
<v Speaker 2>like it was spinning on its axis.

0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:11.960
<v Speaker 1>At breakneck speed and in free fall.

0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:18.120
<v Speaker 2>That night, Charles Farmer told his family word had come

0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:25.200
<v Speaker 2>in from the private investigator. Alfonso d'epinna I said before

0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:27.199
<v Speaker 2>that you have to be pretty good at lying to

0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:30.719
<v Speaker 2>be a private investigator, but that mostly applies to the

0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:34.800
<v Speaker 2>common ones, the ones who investigate selling corporate secrets and

0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:38.760
<v Speaker 2>other white collar crimes. D'penna is a good one, a

0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:44.359
<v Speaker 2>real white hat. Depina spoke with a local Balisian priest.

0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:48.560
<v Speaker 2>The priest said he heard about two bodies found two

0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:53.280
<v Speaker 2>hundred meters off the coast of the Guatemalan Peninsula Cabo Trees, Puntas,

0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:58.280
<v Speaker 2>back in July. The description of the bodies matched those

0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:03.280
<v Speaker 2>of the missing couple. The priests also told Dpenya that

0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:06.600
<v Speaker 2>these two bodies were mutilated before they were tied to

0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:10.919
<v Speaker 2>engine parts and drowned. The locals were so upset by

0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:14.440
<v Speaker 2>the bodies that after an autopsy, they immediately buried them

0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:19.440
<v Speaker 2>in the local Puerto Barrio cemetery. As harrowing as that is,

0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:23.440
<v Speaker 2>I have to give everyone involved credit. They got an autopsy,

0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:29.560
<v Speaker 2>they followed the protocol, and that's pretty incredible. The former

0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:32.920
<v Speaker 2>family knocked back a bottle of sherry, the only alcohol

0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:37.200
<v Speaker 2>they had in the house. Finally they knew Pete and

0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Chris were dead. They just didn't know how or why

0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:54.520
<v Speaker 2>the bodies were exhumed. I understand that exhumation needs to

0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:57.760
<v Speaker 2>happen sometimes in the name of justice, but even just

0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:01.720
<v Speaker 2>hearing about it makes my stomach hurt. There's a certain

0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:04.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of piece that comes when someone's body is laid

0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:08.919
<v Speaker 2>to rest and exhummation. It feels to me like It

0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:11.919
<v Speaker 2>not only undoes that piece, but it tangles up the

0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:16.920
<v Speaker 2>grieving process too. But it was necessary here. It meant

0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:20.920
<v Speaker 2>that the families got some more much needed information about

0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Chris and Peta. First, a dental examination confirmed what they were.

0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:31.600
<v Speaker 2>All but certain of the bodies belonged to Chris and Peta.

0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:38.040
<v Speaker 2>It confirmed other gruesome details too. They had both been

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:43.399
<v Speaker 2>bound by the hands, legs, and ankles. Chris showed marks

0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:47.720
<v Speaker 2>of torture. Peta had a plastic bag over her head.

0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Both were tied to engine parts. Both had died by drowning.

0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:59.440
<v Speaker 2>That meant they'd been alive when they were thrown into

0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:05.359
<v Speaker 2>the waters off Guatemala's coast. The farmers also learned that

0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:09.560
<v Speaker 2>Silas Dwayne Boston was a criminal with a long record

0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:14.560
<v Speaker 2>with charges ranging from theft to rape. He was even

0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:17.600
<v Speaker 2>a suspect in the disappearance of one of his wives,

0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:22.240
<v Speaker 2>Mary Lou Boston, the mother of his two young sons,

0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:25.879
<v Speaker 2>who had been on the boat. Mary Lou's body was

0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:32.000
<v Speaker 2>never found, but the police suspected foul play. And that's it.

0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:41.160
<v Speaker 2>That is all the families knew for decades. Imagine if

0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:44.119
<v Speaker 2>we ended the episode here, how unsatisfied would you be?

0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:47.160
<v Speaker 2>If I was you, I would be pissed, but I'd

0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:49.679
<v Speaker 2>be even more upset obviously if it was happening to

0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:52.800
<v Speaker 2>me in real life, if I was related to the

0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:56.600
<v Speaker 2>people who died. I'm oversimplifying the emotions, but I think

0:24:56.640 --> 0:25:01.160
<v Speaker 2>the main one I would display is rage. Because even

0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:03.960
<v Speaker 2>with the bodies in hand and the knowledge of his

0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:08.840
<v Speaker 2>past crimes, authorities were unable to find any concrete evidence

0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:14.359
<v Speaker 2>that Silas Duayne Boston was the killer. The motor parts

0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:18.040
<v Speaker 2>Chris and Peta had been tied to were recovered from

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:20.960
<v Speaker 2>the sea, but they were lost in the shuffle before

0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:26.399
<v Speaker 2>Dpinya found the bodies. They couldn't provide any leits. This

0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:30.639
<v Speaker 2>seems like another place where some contemporary technology could have

0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:37.200
<v Speaker 2>been really useful. Unfortunately, Guatemalan officials and police were also

0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:41.359
<v Speaker 2>pretty unhelpful. They had no diplomatic relations with Britain at

0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:44.119
<v Speaker 2>the time, thinks in part to a pretty brutal civil

0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:50.000
<v Speaker 2>war and general instability in Guatemala. But for the farmers,

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:55.199
<v Speaker 2>basically what this all amounted to was progress in the

0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:59.280
<v Speaker 2>case just stopped, despite the fact that they felt they

0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:04.679
<v Speaker 2>knew who committed this crime. To the farmers, the Greater

0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:09.040
<v Speaker 2>Manchester Police and the British Foreign Office. The truth already

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:15.080
<v Speaker 2>seemed clear. Dwayne had killed the young couple for money

0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:20.240
<v Speaker 2>for something else they didn't know. He claimed they paid

0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 2>him five hundred dollars for their passage and absurd some

0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:28.399
<v Speaker 2>for that service, the time period and the region. Maybe

0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:31.800
<v Speaker 2>he had stolen that money and claimed they paid it

0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:36.520
<v Speaker 2>to cover his tracks. Some people don't need a motive

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:39.920
<v Speaker 2>at all. But whatever the reason he did it, he

0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 2>was the killer, and now he was living in California

0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:49.719
<v Speaker 2>without a single consequence for his barbaric crime. Audrey Farmer

0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 2>paused while making dinner one night, turned to Penny and said,

0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:56.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't feel that I will ever be able to

0:26:56.720 --> 0:27:07.600
<v Speaker 2>feel true happiness again. In the years that followed, the

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:11.119
<v Speaker 2>Farmers never gave up on hounding authorities for updates and

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:15.879
<v Speaker 2>giving suggestions for potential lines of inquiry. The police and

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:19.400
<v Speaker 2>the US were the main source of news. They did

0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 2>their best to keep track of Dwayne, but he was

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 2>good at evading the sites of the law. When they

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:28.720
<v Speaker 2>had him in custody for an unrelated crime, they tried

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 2>to question him on what happened in Belize. His story changed,

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:38.640
<v Speaker 2>including important details like where exactly he dropped off Chris

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:42.000
<v Speaker 2>and Peter, whether he left them on a beach or

0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:46.720
<v Speaker 2>on a quote unquote Native vote. But Dwayne wouldn't confess,

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:50.639
<v Speaker 2>and when the other charges came to nothing, the police

0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:58.119
<v Speaker 2>released him from custody. One of the main points the

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 2>Farmers kept making to law enforcement wasn't about Duayne at all.

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:06.240
<v Speaker 2>They wanted to know about his sons. Those boys who

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:08.879
<v Speaker 2>had been on the boat when Chris and Peter were killed.

0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Investigators had to talk to them. They might have seen something.

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:20.200
<v Speaker 2>They had to have some kind of information. American investigators

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:24.359
<v Speaker 2>gave a frustrating response. They couldn't track down the boys.

0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:28.160
<v Speaker 2>The Boston family seemed to be constantly moving them around.

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 2>They were never able to bring the kids in for questioning.

0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:37.719
<v Speaker 2>The Farmers were told by the Greater Manchester Police, their

0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 2>main point of contact, that the case would never be closed.

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 2>The updates petered out. Penny went to university and graduated.

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 2>She became a journalist like her father, and then switched

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 2>from news into fashion and beauty reporting. She lived in London, married,

0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:58.920
<v Speaker 2>then moved again to Oxfordshire, where she raised a family.

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:03.760
<v Speaker 2>She never stopped wondering, never felt that lightness of knowing.

0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:09.720
<v Speaker 2>On October second, twenty fifteen, Penny was walking the dog

0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 2>with her mother. There was an autumnal glow to the scene,

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:16.640
<v Speaker 2>that kind of warm, soft light that's beautiful but a

0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 2>little melancholy. Audrey wondered wistfully what Chris would look like now.

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:26.240
<v Speaker 2>He'd be sixty two, hard to imagine, he'd always be

0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:31.480
<v Speaker 2>young in their eyes. As Penny heard her mother speak,

0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:36.520
<v Speaker 2>standing in that mellow autumn light, almost forty years after

0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:42.960
<v Speaker 2>her brother's death, she had a realization. So much had

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:48.440
<v Speaker 2>changed since the days when Chris and Peter went missing.

0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Now there was Facebook and everyone was on it. Everyone

0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 2>was using their real names, real information about where they

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 2>were and what they did, maybe even Silas Dwayne Boston,

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:46.720
<v Speaker 2>or better yet, his two sons. Penny's intuition was spot

0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 2>on at home that October day, it didn't take much

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 2>digging to find Vince Boston of California. He'd written publicly

0:30:56.960 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 2>on his profile about losing his mother to gun violence

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 2>when she was just twenty three years old, as part

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:06.080
<v Speaker 2>of a post advocating for stricter gun laws in the US.

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:12.600
<v Speaker 2>This was him, and if he was talking publicly about

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 2>his mother's death to gunfire, maybe he wasn't on good

0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:22.760
<v Speaker 2>terms with his father. Maybe he'd talk. Penny's hope grew

0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:28.120
<v Speaker 2>as she continued trawling through. Here was Russell Boston, and

0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 2>here was Silas Dwayne Boston himself. She stared at the haggard,

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:39.840
<v Speaker 2>grizzled photo at the forefront of his profile. This was

0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 2>the man who had killed her brother. She had never

0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:51.920
<v Speaker 2>seen his face before, staring it down even through the screen,

0:31:52.720 --> 0:32:01.840
<v Speaker 2>she felt discussed, but she also felt hope. It wasn't

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 2>only that Vince seemed convinced his mother died due to

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 2>foul play, nor that he wasn't afraid to talk about

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 2>it publicly.

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 1>There was also the fact.

0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 2>That Vince wasn't quote unquote friends with his father or

0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 2>brother on the site. She didn't know what it meant yet,

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:25.720
<v Speaker 2>but she hoped it might help. Before she had time

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 2>to doubt her instincts, she logged into the anonymous Facebook

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 2>account she'd made to keep an eye on her own

0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:36.400
<v Speaker 2>teenage kids. Then she sent each of the boys men

0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:42.480
<v Speaker 2>now a message, quote, please can you tell me if

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:44.840
<v Speaker 2>you were off the coast of Central America and a

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 2>boat with your brother and father in nineteen seventy eight?

0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Please reply? Then I will tell you why I am

0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 2>writing to you. Why won't you reply? Because you already

0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:03.040
<v Speaker 2>know why I'm writing to you? Do you know or

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:09.520
<v Speaker 2>remember the truth? I will not leave this matter alone.

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 2>Penny didn't get a reply to those messages. She also

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:19.960
<v Speaker 2>didn't give up. On Monday morning, Penny called the Greater

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Manchester Police to inform them of her discovery.

0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 1>She knew they'd been.

0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Looking into cold cases lately. Now, she said, they had

0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 2>the information they needed to look into hers, and they agreed.

0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 2>Penny's discovery was more than enough to reopen the case.

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:46.960
<v Speaker 2>But the problem was, despite the technological revolution that had

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 2>occurred since the original investigation, international cases like this one

0:33:51.880 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 2>were still mired in complicated bureaucracy of jurisdiction and cooperating

0:33:57.080 --> 0:34:01.440
<v Speaker 2>between different agencies. To get back in touch with the

0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Sacramento Police, the California Department, last involved with the case,

0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:09.520
<v Speaker 2>the Greater Manchester Police or GMP, had to go through

0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:15.400
<v Speaker 2>Interpol in Washington, DC. And I should mention Interpol is

0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 2>not really the international spy organization that espionage films would

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 2>have you imagine. It's basically investigators assigned by different countries

0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:29.719
<v Speaker 2>to work on international cases and coordinate between agencies. In

0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 2>other words, they are slow. For months, Penny heard nothing.

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Life went on as it had for the past four decades.

0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 2>But something was different. Now She knew the case could move.

0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:48.920
<v Speaker 2>There was an urgency now too. Dwayne was old if

0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:51.960
<v Speaker 2>the justice system was going to bring him down, it

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:58.360
<v Speaker 2>needed to move. On February twenty ninth, twenty sixteen, the

0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:02.880
<v Speaker 2>GMP officer looking into the case, Mikaela Clinch, spoke directly

0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:06.759
<v Speaker 2>to Detective Amy Crosby of the Missing Person Unit at

0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:12.840
<v Speaker 2>the Sacramento Police Department and learned something shocking. At almost

0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 2>the exact time that Penny had her revelation about the

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:19.879
<v Speaker 2>power of Facebook to crack this case. Amy was looking

0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:23.200
<v Speaker 2>into the disappearance of Mary Lou Boston, Dwayne's wife in

0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Vincent Russell's mother. The case was stalled, but on October thirteenth,

0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen, just eleven days after Penny sent her message

0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:38.120
<v Speaker 2>to Vince, he gave Amy a statement about his mother's case.

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:43.320
<v Speaker 2>He said, it's an open family secret that my father

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:47.319
<v Speaker 2>killed my mother in nineteen sixty eight, although no one

0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:52.279
<v Speaker 2>knows where he had buried her. But then Vince told

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Amy Moore. He told her I witnessed my father murder

0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 2>a young couple in broad daylight in Guatemala. He witnessed

0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 2>Dwayne murder Chris and Peter, and he wanted to talk.

0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:21.160
<v Speaker 2>The good news kept coming. When Amy reached the other brother, Russell,

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:25.440
<v Speaker 2>on January nineteenth, he wanted to talk to and considering

0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:29.400
<v Speaker 2>the brothers were estranged, that explained the lack of Facebook friendship.

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:33.240
<v Speaker 2>That made his corroboration of the events all the more powerful.

0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:36.840
<v Speaker 2>They couldn't have colluded to concoct some story for the

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:43.719
<v Speaker 2>police because Russell did corroborate Vince's story. It was March

0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:48.280
<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen Penny, her mother Audrey, and her brother Nigel

0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:52.880
<v Speaker 2>gathered in the offices of the GMP. As Penny recounted

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:57.239
<v Speaker 2>in her book, the officer said, you have waited long

0:36:57.320 --> 0:37:01.279
<v Speaker 2>enough to know what happened. How much would you like

0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:08.000
<v Speaker 2>to know? Penny and Nigel looked at their mother, Audrey

0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:11.839
<v Speaker 2>was now ninety, and she said, I would like to

0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 2>know everything. I don't want to be spared any details.

0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:27.000
<v Speaker 2>The Boston Boys story started in Sacramento in the autumn

0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:30.760
<v Speaker 2>of nineteen seventy seven, when Dwayne was facing rape charges.

0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:34.719
<v Speaker 2>To escape the law, he fled down to Belize with

0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:38.640
<v Speaker 2>his two sons. Maybe he brought them to lend himself

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:41.840
<v Speaker 2>an air of respectability. Who wouldn't trust a guy with

0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:45.960
<v Speaker 2>two kids? But in Belize he didn't hop on the

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 2>straight and narrow. He started drinking the cheap local rum,

0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:54.200
<v Speaker 2>lots of it, and getting both physically and verbally violent

0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:59.880
<v Speaker 2>when he did it. First toward the boys, Dwayne picked

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Chris and Peter up as customers part of his tourist business,

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:07.840
<v Speaker 2>and inevitably the couple witnessed Dwayne's abuse of his sons.

0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 2>They stepped in. One time. After screaming at Dwayne to

0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:16.919
<v Speaker 2>stop and getting no response, Chris pulled Dwayne off twelve

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:21.319
<v Speaker 2>year old Russell. Dwayne then toppled off the deck into

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:25.719
<v Speaker 2>the sea. Vince remembered Pete and Chris laughing at the

0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:28.800
<v Speaker 2>side of the splash, and Chris told Dwayne to behave

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:30.440
<v Speaker 2>as he hauled him back on board.

0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:34.439
<v Speaker 1>Dwayne was humiliated.

0:38:36.080 --> 0:38:42.240
<v Speaker 2>That night, Dwayne muttered to Vince, I'm going to kill them.

0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Most of the time you'd assume that was an angry exaggeration,

0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:51.160
<v Speaker 2>but as I mentioned, it was an open secret in

0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:56.360
<v Speaker 2>the family that Dwayne killed Vince and Russell's mother. Vince

0:38:56.560 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 2>knew his father was serious. He hoped he wasn't, but

0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:06.920
<v Speaker 2>he knew he was. It didn't happen right away. Dwayne

0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 2>was a seasoned criminal. He waited until the following night,

0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:14.640
<v Speaker 2>when Peter was below deck. He asked Chris to pull

0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:18.360
<v Speaker 2>up the boat's anchor, and then he came at the

0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:22.920
<v Speaker 2>young man from behind. He blood in Chris over the

0:39:23.000 --> 0:39:26.799
<v Speaker 2>head with the club he used to stun and kill Fish,

0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 2>slamming it into Chris again and again until the club broke. Next,

0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:36.320
<v Speaker 2>he attempted to stab him in the chest with a knife,

0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:41.839
<v Speaker 2>until that also broke. When Peter heard, she came up

0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:45.800
<v Speaker 2>to the deck and yelled for Dwayne to stop. Dwayne

0:39:45.800 --> 0:39:50.040
<v Speaker 2>screamed back, get back down in the fucking gallery now,

0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:54.400
<v Speaker 2>or I will shoot you with the spear gun. Chris

0:39:54.480 --> 0:40:00.360
<v Speaker 2>yelled too, what's your game? What's your game? And I

0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:07.200
<v Speaker 2>give up? I give up again and again. Finally, Dwayne,

0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:13.800
<v Speaker 2>panting stopped. Chris was badly injured, likely with multiple broken

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:18.480
<v Speaker 2>bones in addition to a fractured skull. Dwayne, however, was

0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:21.200
<v Speaker 2>the one complaining about the agonizing.

0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Pain in his back.

0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:28.800
<v Speaker 2>In an extraordinary act, Chris actually got out his medical

0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:34.319
<v Speaker 2>bag and gave Dwayne a muscle relaxant. Maybe he was

0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 2>trying to de escalate the situation. He asked Dwayne why

0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:43.120
<v Speaker 2>he'd done it, and he said it was because Chris

0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:45.400
<v Speaker 2>had tried to haggle with him about the price of

0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:53.320
<v Speaker 2>the journey. He wanted his money. Chris soothed him, agreeing

0:40:53.440 --> 0:41:00.920
<v Speaker 2>immediately he'd pay whatever Dwayne wanted, and all of that

0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:06.680
<v Speaker 2>did seem to de escalate things for a while. After

0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 2>taking the muscle relaxant, Dwayne fell asleep. The boys remember

0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Pete and Chris whispering together through the night. They didn't

0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:22.400
<v Speaker 2>try to escape the boat. Probably Chris was unable to

0:41:23.120 --> 0:41:28.360
<v Speaker 2>considering his injuries. But maybe they thought that when Dwayne

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:34.080
<v Speaker 2>woke up sober, he'd be calmer, less violent, that he'd

0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:35.600
<v Speaker 2>take their money and let them go.

0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:37.880
<v Speaker 1>In the morning.

0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:42.400
<v Speaker 2>That guest seemed correct. Dwayne said he would drop his

0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:46.440
<v Speaker 2>passengers off on the Cabo de Trece Peninsula near Livingstone

0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:50.799
<v Speaker 2>in Guatemala if they paid him five hundred dollars each,

0:41:52.239 --> 0:41:57.720
<v Speaker 2>an inordinance um based basically all their money. But they agreed.

0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Then Dwayne stated his condition matter of factly, giving no

0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:09.160
<v Speaker 2>choice to stop them from reporting him to the police.

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Before he could get out of the area, he would

0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:15.920
<v Speaker 2>have to tie their hands and strip them naked before

0:42:15.960 --> 0:42:23.040
<v Speaker 2>releasing them. They did not resist. That's when the nightmare

0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:27.120
<v Speaker 2>grew darker. I want to give you all the heads

0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:30.880
<v Speaker 2>up that what follows is really violent and disturbing, so

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:33.319
<v Speaker 2>feel free to skip forward about a minute if you

0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:38.120
<v Speaker 2>don't want to hear the details. Over the next thirty

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:44.360
<v Speaker 2>six hours, Dwayne manipulated Chris and Peta through sadistic mind

0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:48.879
<v Speaker 2>games and physical violence, promising them he'd let them go,

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:54.200
<v Speaker 2>but humiliating and degrading them in the meantime, he likely

0:42:54.280 --> 0:43:00.880
<v Speaker 2>raped Peta. The following day, he dressed his actives and

0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:05.640
<v Speaker 2>wrapped them in rope. Even now he was promising he'd

0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:09.839
<v Speaker 2>drop them off on shore. He just needed to put

0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:13.359
<v Speaker 2>plastic bags over their heads so they couldn't see where

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:18.160
<v Speaker 2>he was sailing. Once the bags were on their heads,

0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:23.360
<v Speaker 2>he tied their ropes to heavy engine parts. Then he

0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:28.640
<v Speaker 2>pushed them overboard. They were fully conscious as they went over,

0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:33.560
<v Speaker 2>though with those engine parts and their injuries, they didn't

0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:38.759
<v Speaker 2>stand a chance. Russell remembered seeing an air bubble come

0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:56.000
<v Speaker 2>up through the sea, and then the sea was calm. Later,

0:43:56.160 --> 0:43:59.120
<v Speaker 2>Penny would travel to California and talk to Russell in person,

0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:04.359
<v Speaker 2>hearing many of these details from him personally. He would

0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:07.800
<v Speaker 2>add that Dwayne had found an unposted letter among Peters

0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:11.560
<v Speaker 2>things and posted it himself to create confusion about when

0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:15.600
<v Speaker 2>the couple died. That letter the Framptons received in August

0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:20.120
<v Speaker 2>of nineteen seventy nine, which temporarily staved off the family's fears.

0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:24.080
<v Speaker 2>Both boys would also reveal that over the years, once

0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:27.520
<v Speaker 2>they reached adulthood, they both tried to go to the

0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:30.839
<v Speaker 2>authorities in both the UK and the US about their

0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:35.480
<v Speaker 2>father's crime, but their attempts had never reached anyone with

0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:38.640
<v Speaker 2>knowledge of the case, falling victim to the same issues

0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:43.360
<v Speaker 2>of jurisdiction and poor international interagency communication that had obstructed

0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:47.840
<v Speaker 2>the case from the start. But back in that conference

0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:51.080
<v Speaker 2>room in Manchester at the police station, the Farmers had

0:44:51.120 --> 0:44:55.799
<v Speaker 2>heard enough. For the time being, this sounded like a

0:44:55.800 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 2>horror movie. It was almost unbelievable, but both Vince and

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:06.359
<v Speaker 2>Russell had witnessed it. Their stories matched up. All these

0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:09.560
<v Speaker 2>years later, the Farmer's conviction that the boys held the

0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:16.520
<v Speaker 2>key was confirmed. Finally they knew the truth. They were

0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:22.759
<v Speaker 2>shell shocked, speechless and horrified, but they knew all they

0:45:22.800 --> 0:45:50.399
<v Speaker 2>needed now was justice. With two willing witnesses, prosecutors would

0:45:50.400 --> 0:45:53.959
<v Speaker 2>have a decent case against Joyne. But the problem once

0:45:54.000 --> 0:46:01.000
<v Speaker 2>again was who could prosecute that is, jurisdiction. Various countries

0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:05.480
<v Speaker 2>and justice departments went back and forth, the Brits, the Americans,

0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:09.120
<v Speaker 2>and Belize, the last port where the victims were seen alive,

0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:12.640
<v Speaker 2>although not the country where the crime took place, which

0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:20.239
<v Speaker 2>would be Guatemala. Finally, they determined this American prosecutors could

0:46:20.239 --> 0:46:23.759
<v Speaker 2>claim jurisdiction if the murders happened in open water and

0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:27.600
<v Speaker 2>most importantly were committed by an American on a boat

0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:31.440
<v Speaker 2>owned by an American, with registration or proof that the

0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:34.720
<v Speaker 2>American was indeed the owner of the vessel at the time.

0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:39.680
<v Speaker 2>What they really needed then was proof that Dwayne owned

0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:43.919
<v Speaker 2>his boat. It seemed like it would be impossible to find,

0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:47.120
<v Speaker 2>but Russell Boston had ended up with a lot of

0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:50.360
<v Speaker 2>his father's possessions because his father would dump them with

0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:52.800
<v Speaker 2>him as he fled back and forth over the border

0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:58.120
<v Speaker 2>with Mexico avoiding the law. Among those possessions he found

0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:01.799
<v Speaker 2>photos of the trip to police, which showed Chris and

0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:05.960
<v Speaker 2>linked him to Dwayne and his boat. He had Chris's

0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:10.160
<v Speaker 2>old records as in music records, which further linked Jain

0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:16.200
<v Speaker 2>to the crime. And on September sixteenth, twenty sixteen, wedged

0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:19.319
<v Speaker 2>among a pile of junk in his father's old briefcase,

0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:24.279
<v Speaker 2>he found a small creased document the title of the

0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:30.799
<v Speaker 2>Justin B. Dayne's Boat. The case was getting tighter, the

0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:34.400
<v Speaker 2>evidence was growing. All that was missing from the files

0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:37.640
<v Speaker 2>were the dental exams matching the bodies found in Guatemala

0:47:37.680 --> 0:47:41.120
<v Speaker 2>with Chris and Petis in all records. No one could

0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:44.160
<v Speaker 2>find the file anywhere, not in the US, not in

0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:48.719
<v Speaker 2>the UK, not with Inner Pol. The prosecution needed to

0:47:48.719 --> 0:47:57.239
<v Speaker 2>find the bodies, exhumed them again, and redo the examination. Unfortunately,

0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:09.320
<v Speaker 2>even that was easier than done. The Porto Barrio cemetery,

0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:12.360
<v Speaker 2>where Chris and Peter were buried back in the nineteen seventies,

0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:18.160
<v Speaker 2>was overflowing with graves. They were often unmarked, and there

0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:22.200
<v Speaker 2>was no clear map or clear organization. By the twenty tens,

0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:26.759
<v Speaker 2>the FBI searched for Chris and Peter's crosses, but did

0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:29.920
<v Speaker 2>not find them, and the search was called off in

0:48:30.000 --> 0:48:34.120
<v Speaker 2>early November of twenty sixteen. It was a blow to

0:48:34.200 --> 0:48:38.400
<v Speaker 2>the case. Without bodies the ultimate proof of Chris and

0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Peter's death, there was less proof of murder too. Still,

0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:02.799
<v Speaker 2>prosecutors pushed on they'd pursue the case anyway. The next

0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:08.800
<v Speaker 2>step was apprehending their suspect. For once, the California authorities

0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:13.080
<v Speaker 2>knew exactly where to make that arrest. Seventy four year

0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:16.560
<v Speaker 2>old Dwayne wasn't somewhere on the road toward Mexico. Not

0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:19.560
<v Speaker 2>these days. He was in poor health and stuck in

0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:25.760
<v Speaker 2>a nursing home in Eureka, California. On December one, twenty sixteen,

0:49:26.560 --> 0:49:29.640
<v Speaker 2>he was charged with the murders of Chris Farmer and

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Peter Frampton and taken into custody. On December eighth, Dwayne

0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:40.800
<v Speaker 2>was indicted. The trial date was set for the autumn

0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:45.279
<v Speaker 2>of twenty seventeen, expedited by a few factors, one the

0:49:45.320 --> 0:49:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Farmer family's decision not to seek the death penalty and

0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:52.800
<v Speaker 2>the judge's knowledge that many participants in the case were elderly,

0:49:53.160 --> 0:49:57.200
<v Speaker 2>including the defendant, Audrey Farmer, and many of the witnesses

0:49:57.239 --> 0:50:00.920
<v Speaker 2>he called to speak about Dwayne. His parents and one

0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:04.719
<v Speaker 2>of her siblings had already passed. The Farmers prepared to

0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:09.120
<v Speaker 2>travel to California to give depositions on May sixth, including Audrey,

0:50:09.440 --> 0:50:13.920
<v Speaker 2>now ninety one years old. But Dwayne's health had been

0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:19.600
<v Speaker 2>deteriorating rapidly since his arrest. Around his seventy sixth birthday.

0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:24.080
<v Speaker 2>On March twentieth, twenty seventeen, things took a turn for

0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:29.600
<v Speaker 2>the worse. Then on April fifth, he began to refuse

0:50:29.640 --> 0:50:38.200
<v Speaker 2>medication and treatment. No kidney dialysis, no feeding tube. Two

0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:42.720
<v Speaker 2>weeks before the farmer's deposition trip to California, and five

0:50:42.800 --> 0:50:46.480
<v Speaker 2>months before the provisional trial date, on April twenty fourth,

0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:54.120
<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen, Dwayne died. It was over for the law

0:50:54.280 --> 0:51:01.360
<v Speaker 2>at least there's no trial, there's no defendant. But for Penny,

0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:05.680
<v Speaker 2>this life shattering case would never really end, not now

0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:11.640
<v Speaker 2>when justice could never be served. In twenty eighteen, she

0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:15.840
<v Speaker 2>traveled to Guatemala with BBC reporters making a podcast about

0:51:15.840 --> 0:51:20.520
<v Speaker 2>her brother's case, and she succeeded where the FBI had failed.

0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:26.239
<v Speaker 2>Penny located Chris and Peter's graves in the Puerta Barrio cemetery,

0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:31.200
<v Speaker 2>just like she had located the entire Boston family on Facebook.

0:51:33.400 --> 0:51:35.880
<v Speaker 2>She made the trip to California to talk to Russell

0:51:35.920 --> 0:51:40.120
<v Speaker 2>in person too. She spoke with the prosecutors who had

0:51:40.160 --> 0:51:44.000
<v Speaker 2>fought beside her for justice, and Detective Amy Crosby of

0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:48.280
<v Speaker 2>the Missing Persons Unit at the Sacramento Police Department, thanking

0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:53.160
<v Speaker 2>them for their dedication, and then she used her training

0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:55.640
<v Speaker 2>as a journalist to write her book on the case,

0:51:56.040 --> 0:51:58.200
<v Speaker 2>the one I've mentioned a few times, Dead in the Water.

0:52:00.360 --> 0:52:06.479
<v Speaker 2>Penny Farmer is an extraordinary woman. We'll be back after

0:52:06.480 --> 0:52:08.920
<v Speaker 2>the break with an interview with Penny Farmer herself.

0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Stay with us well, Hi, Penny.

0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:40.919
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to say, first of all, thank you so

0:52:41.040 --> 0:52:44.759
<v Speaker 2>much for agreeing to talk with us. Our listeners have

0:52:44.920 --> 0:52:47.320
<v Speaker 2>heard the story that you wrote about in your book,

0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:52.600
<v Speaker 2>so they're somewhat apprized of this situation. It's a pretty

0:52:52.800 --> 0:52:57.359
<v Speaker 2>personal account, so I wanted to ask you first what

0:52:57.480 --> 0:53:01.880
<v Speaker 2>made you decide to actually write the story.

0:53:02.080 --> 0:53:06.319
<v Speaker 3>Despite being journalistically trained. Quite honestly, hadn't even occurred to

0:53:06.360 --> 0:53:09.840
<v Speaker 3>me at the initial outset of the investigation. It was

0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:13.640
<v Speaker 3>really only when my mother and I were constantly going

0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:18.319
<v Speaker 3>back and forth to Greater Manchester Police, you know, when

0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:22.319
<v Speaker 3>they were reopening the case after thirty eight years and

0:53:23.080 --> 0:53:27.640
<v Speaker 3>it was a conversation that I had with Mikayla Clinch,

0:53:27.719 --> 0:53:30.640
<v Speaker 3>detective from Mikayla Clinch, and she said to me, you know,

0:53:31.520 --> 0:53:33.319
<v Speaker 3>I assume you're going to write this up, you know,

0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:37.839
<v Speaker 3>And I just thought, well, yeah, actually, well why not,

0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:40.399
<v Speaker 3>you know, because as I say, I did train as

0:53:40.400 --> 0:53:44.720
<v Speaker 3>a journalist. But then, of course we got the terrible news,

0:53:44.760 --> 0:53:49.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, that Boston had committed suicide, and he did

0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:51.719
<v Speaker 3>commit suicide. There was no other way of dressing it up.

0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:57.719
<v Speaker 3>Then Russell reached out via Sacramento PD and said that

0:53:57.760 --> 0:54:00.640
<v Speaker 3>he wanted very much to be to Mom and I.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was at that point, you know, that we

0:54:04.920 --> 0:54:07.960
<v Speaker 3>got in touch and we had a very long skype

0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:12.719
<v Speaker 3>call with Russell, and obviously then it's sort of snowballed,

0:54:12.760 --> 0:54:18.640
<v Speaker 3>and so you know, I started really keeping more than

0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:21.680
<v Speaker 3>just notes, that started really writing the book at that point. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, one of my questions was what was it like

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to those sons when we had.

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<v Speaker 3>A skype call? It It was it was obviously the

0:54:33.920 --> 0:54:38.359
<v Speaker 3>most bizarre situation. And you know, all credit to my mother,

0:54:38.880 --> 0:54:42.279
<v Speaker 3>who at that stage was ninety one she's now ninety eight.

0:54:43.360 --> 0:54:47.040
<v Speaker 3>She was I mean, she's a very strong woman anyway.

0:54:47.160 --> 0:54:49.759
<v Speaker 3>But you know that there was my mother and I,

0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:51.600
<v Speaker 3>you know, one side of the camera and you know

0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:55.040
<v Speaker 3>when the camera went on because we hadn't aside from

0:54:55.200 --> 0:54:59.080
<v Speaker 3>his Facebook profile, we hadn't seen Russell Boston at all.

0:55:00.040 --> 0:55:05.520
<v Speaker 3>So it was a very weird experience. But it was

0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:09.920
<v Speaker 3>very pathetic, I think is probably the word. You know,

0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:15.080
<v Speaker 3>we both well. It was really more Russell telling us

0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:19.480
<v Speaker 3>exactly what happened on the boat, some of which has

0:55:19.520 --> 0:55:23.560
<v Speaker 3>gone in the book and some I've you know, held

0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:27.920
<v Speaker 3>back on for decency, Etceterually. You know, I think I

0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:33.319
<v Speaker 3>think I've written it enough to suggest probably you know,

0:55:33.400 --> 0:55:36.640
<v Speaker 3>what went on and the horror of it all without

0:55:36.760 --> 0:55:38.680
<v Speaker 3>going into too much graphic detail.

0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:44.239
<v Speaker 2>It seems like a big component of the journey that

0:55:44.480 --> 0:55:49.440
<v Speaker 2>was writing the book and talking about the case was

0:55:49.640 --> 0:55:52.360
<v Speaker 2>get kind of giving yourself closure.

0:55:53.120 --> 0:55:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Did it help with that?

0:55:54.239 --> 0:55:56.719
<v Speaker 3>I suppose so in many ways. And you know, I've

0:55:57.239 --> 0:55:59.680
<v Speaker 3>I feel I've become a lot closer to my brother,

0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:03.120
<v Speaker 3>and I've learned a lot more about him, and you

0:56:03.160 --> 0:56:05.319
<v Speaker 3>know a lot of his friends have come forward, which

0:56:05.320 --> 0:56:08.560
<v Speaker 3>has been fantastic really, and especially for my mum, it's

0:56:08.600 --> 0:56:11.080
<v Speaker 3>been a bit of it's just a funny word to use,

0:56:11.120 --> 0:56:12.600
<v Speaker 3>but you know it's been a bit of a gift

0:56:12.640 --> 0:56:15.680
<v Speaker 3>in her old age to sort of reconnect with him,

0:56:15.920 --> 0:56:20.279
<v Speaker 3>albeit in death. So I think, you know, in that sense, yes,

0:56:21.040 --> 0:56:23.600
<v Speaker 3>I think closure is a bit of an overused cliche,

0:56:23.600 --> 0:56:26.280
<v Speaker 3>to be honest, because I don't think you ever really

0:56:26.360 --> 0:56:26.960
<v Speaker 3>get over it.

0:56:27.040 --> 0:56:29.400
<v Speaker 1>You just sort of stir over the cracks really.

0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:34.760
<v Speaker 3>But you know, I'm able to talk quite freely without

0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:38.359
<v Speaker 3>getting upset about it now because you know, time does

0:56:38.480 --> 0:56:41.439
<v Speaker 3>move on, and you have you can't keep looking back,

0:56:41.560 --> 0:56:45.200
<v Speaker 3>and you know, I mean it was ghastly and you

0:56:45.239 --> 0:56:49.279
<v Speaker 3>know we've not had it easy even latterly, you know.

0:56:49.280 --> 0:56:50.200
<v Speaker 1>To get to the truth.

0:56:50.320 --> 0:56:52.319
<v Speaker 3>But but we got there in the end and we

0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:57.040
<v Speaker 3>now know you know what's happened, and indeed Vince and

0:56:57.080 --> 0:57:00.520
<v Speaker 3>Russell as well, you know our family and the family

0:57:00.800 --> 0:57:02.759
<v Speaker 3>that we're both in the same boat, you know, I

0:57:02.760 --> 0:57:05.239
<v Speaker 3>mean that that's the extraordinary nature of this story, that

0:57:05.600 --> 0:57:08.160
<v Speaker 3>two families on either side of the Atlantic. It's like

0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:14.320
<v Speaker 3>parallel lives really. But you know, we're all victims of Boston,

0:57:14.400 --> 0:57:17.240
<v Speaker 3>if you like, they've been through hell and back and

0:57:18.080 --> 0:57:24.040
<v Speaker 3>you know what absolutely ghastly experience they have suffered, you know,

0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:27.840
<v Speaker 3>but both to witness their murders and to lose them

0:57:27.880 --> 0:57:31.520
<v Speaker 3>on So you know, I'm very grateful to them for

0:57:31.600 --> 0:57:35.160
<v Speaker 3>being so open. And they didn't turn out the people

0:57:35.600 --> 0:57:38.760
<v Speaker 3>that possibly their father would have liked them to be,

0:57:39.520 --> 0:57:43.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, they did they didn't follow history and go

0:57:43.480 --> 0:57:46.080
<v Speaker 3>the same way as him. You know that they're good,

0:57:46.240 --> 0:57:47.080
<v Speaker 3>decent people.

0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Is there anything that you wanted to talk about that

0:57:49.960 --> 0:57:52.160
<v Speaker 2>we didn't ask about, or like, is there a final

0:57:52.600 --> 0:57:54.920
<v Speaker 2>word that you can get in there that you want

0:57:54.920 --> 0:57:55.880
<v Speaker 2>to make sure that we hear.

0:57:56.400 --> 0:57:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I just hope that no other families

0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:02.680
<v Speaker 3>have to go through what we've gone through. But I

0:58:02.960 --> 0:58:05.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, one would hope with modern day communications and

0:58:07.160 --> 0:58:12.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, I hope hopefully better reporting and better systems

0:58:12.200 --> 0:58:15.000
<v Speaker 3>in place that people wouldn't have.

0:58:15.040 --> 0:58:17.400
<v Speaker 1>To go through all that, you know, they.

0:58:17.120 --> 0:58:20.160
<v Speaker 3>Wouldn't have to wait forty plus years to find out

0:58:20.240 --> 0:58:21.720
<v Speaker 3>what had happened to their loved ones.

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<v Speaker 2>First off, Penny Farmer's wonderful book Dead in the Water,

0:59:34.640 --> 0:59:37.880
<v Speaker 2>My forty year search for My Brother's Killer. Also the

0:59:37.960 --> 0:59:42.640
<v Speaker 2>excellent BBC podcast Paradise, which gives a ton of fascinating

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<v Speaker 2>detail on the case. And finally, I want to shout

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<v Speaker 2>out local news in the UK and especially around Manchester,

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<v Speaker 2>where the story has been covered substantially. The greatest true

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