1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to brain Stuff, a production of iHeart Radio, Hey 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: brain Stuff. Lauren vogebon here. Mark Bird of Miami, Florida 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: was thirty eight years old when he had his first 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: kidney stones. The pain started in his back, like he 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: had slipped a disk. Bird was used to back pain, 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: so he tried his standard routine of stretching, yoga, and 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: frequent trips to the chiropractor, but nothing helped. Then one day, 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: he was sitting in his office chair when it felt 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 1: like someone had sneaked up behind him and stabbed him 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: in the back of the bowie knife for the article. 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: This episode is based on hows to work? Spoke Bird 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: when he was forty eight and the veteran of two 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: excruciating kidney stone episodes. He said, the pain takes your 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: breath away. You're doubled over and thinking I need to 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: get to the hospital right now. Every year, half a 16 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: million people visit emergency rooms in the United States with 17 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: kidney's tones, and around one in ten Americans will have 18 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: a kidney stone at some point in their life. We 19 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: humans typically have two kidneys, and their main job is 20 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: to filter waste products out of our blood. Normally, those 21 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: waste products are flushed out of the kidney as urine. 22 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: Your kidneys filter some fifty gallons that's nine liters of 23 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: blood every twenty four hours and eliminate some sixty four 24 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: ounces or two leads of waste. In some cases, however, 25 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: there are excess waste products in the blood that aren't 26 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: flushed out of the kidneys. Those leftover waste products can 27 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: form tiny crystals that bunched together over time to form 28 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: increasingly large stones. Calcium oxalate is the most common component 29 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: of kidney stones, but there are others too, including uric acid, struvite, 30 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: and sistine. The real trouble starts when one of these 31 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: stones leaves the kidney and enters the uritor, which is 32 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: a narrow tube that transports urine from the kidney to 33 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: the ladder. That's when it can feel like you've been 34 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: stabbed in the back. Pain is a hard thing to quantify, 35 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: but the discomfort of passing a kidney stone is routinely 36 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: compared to childbirth or worse. But the source of that 37 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: pain may be surprising. How stuff works. Also spoke with 38 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: Dr Timothy Average, a kidney stone specialist at Prisma Health 39 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: Urology in Columbia, South Carolina. He said, the common belief 40 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: is that the stone itself causes the pain. Patients will 41 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: frequently say it must have a lot of rough edges 42 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: or spikes because this one hurts a lot, or it's 43 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: really large and that's what hurts so badly. That actually 44 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the pain. So if it's 45 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: not the stone, what the heck is causing that searing pain. 46 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: The thing is that if a kidney stone is large enough, 47 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 1: it'll get stuck in the narrow passageway of the uritor, 48 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: causing urine to build up behind it. With nowhere to go, 49 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: the urine exerts increasing pressure on the narrow eutor and 50 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: on the kidney, causing the tissues to stretch like balloons. 51 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: Average explained that stretching is what triggers the pain people 52 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: feel when they have kidney stones. You feel it in 53 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: your back first, and then it can radiate around the 54 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: front and down to the groin. It's pretty excruciating for 55 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: most and the body has all types of nerves for 56 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: sensing things like touch and temperature. The nerves and your 57 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: kidney in eutor detect distension or dilation, just like your intestines, bladder, 58 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: and bowels. An obstructed bowel is also very painful, but 59 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: kidney stones are far more common. The discomfort of kidney 60 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: stones is described as colic since it comes in waves. 61 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: That's because the orator uses involuntary wave like muscle movements 62 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: called peristalsis to move urine from the kidney to the 63 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: bladder in packets or bunches. If the pathway is blocked, 64 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: the pressure builds with every involuntary squeeze of the urotor, 65 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: and so does the pain. In both women and men. 66 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: Urine exits the bladder through the urethra and then out 67 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: from the body. Another common misconceptions as average is that 68 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: the most painful part of having a kidney stone is 69 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: passing it through the urethra, but he says those fears 70 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: are largely unfounded. He said the urethra and men and 71 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: women is much wider than the eurotor, almost twice the size. 72 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: Patients will frequently say to me, oh, I'll know one, 73 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: I pay it out. Often they actually don't. Bird, for 74 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: his part, disagrees. Even though treatment for his kidney stones 75 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: involved internally blasting them with shock waves to break them 76 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: into smaller particles, the largest fragments were still the size 77 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: of bebes. A bird says it felt like urinating and 78 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: I quote shards of glass. One of the many unpleasant 79 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: surprises of Bird's ordeal was that he had to have 80 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: a stent in aserted into his eudor to open the 81 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: passageway from the kidney to the bladder, and the stent 82 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: stayed in for two long weeks. Ural stents are ten 83 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: fifteen inch plastic tubes that's around that are inserted through 84 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: the urethra all the way up to the kidney to 85 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: let urine flow to the bladder again. A stent is 86 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: used in many kidney stone removals to keep the order 87 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: from becoming obstructed again by swelling. After the operation is complete, 88 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: Insertion of the stent is done under heavy sedation. But 89 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: removal isn't, a bird said, the nurses try to use 90 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: the element of surprise. They pull it out like a 91 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: rip chord. 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