1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. Everybody, 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: what's going on walking to move the sticks? DJ Bucky 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: coming off a Monday night beat down by the San 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: Francisco forty Niners over the Cleveland Browns. Buck uh Man, 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: it was at wasn't really competitive last night, was it? No? 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: It wasn't competitive. And you know what was was interesting 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: and watching this game and watching it play out. Um, 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: I think the hype train for the Forts had kind 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: of been building, but you just wondered last year we 10 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: thought it was gonna happen. With Jimmy Garoppolo his first 11 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: full season as the start, he gets to injury, they 12 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: can't put it together. But I think what they've done 13 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: is now all the pieces are in place, all of 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: the resources that they committed to that defense, that front line, 15 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: you now see, Oh, they looked like a first round 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: defense because they have a bunch of guys on the 17 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: front line that can dominate on their own. And when 18 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: you can dominate at the line of scrimmage without having 19 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: the blizz man, it makes it so much tougher. And 20 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: then on offense, they play a style that I think 21 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: makes your entire team tough. They run the football, they 22 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: get it to multiple running backs. I mean you almost 23 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: had two guys with a hund of yards. I mean 24 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: just the way that they were able to just run 25 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: the ball and to kind of punch Cleveland in the 26 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: mouth is something. And then the complimentary pass attack with 27 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo running bootleg and and movement action off of 28 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: the play fakes. Look, Man, Kyle Shanahan system in uh, 29 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: combination with the talent that they have, man, the San 30 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: Francisco for nine is gonna be a tough out. We're 31 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: gonna get to some more on that game here in 32 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: just a second. Some other things we're gonna hit on today. Uh, 33 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: coming off this game, interesting conversation we can have about 34 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: the different trees. We feel like there's two trees right now. 35 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: They're hot, and you look at the Andy retreat and 36 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: you've got his guys. When you see Frank Reich, Matt Naggy, 37 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: obviously Doug Peterson's already won a Super Bowl. Kind of 38 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: comparing that three versus I would call the Shanahan tree, 39 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: which underneath Kyle Shanahan. Everybody knows about McVeigh. You have 40 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: the floor. But I also think if you look at 41 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: his dad, I would put Kubiak kind of in his 42 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 1: family as well. And Kubiak there with the Minnesota Vikings, 43 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: we've seen how they've run the ball. Interesting discussion there 44 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: on those two different offenses that really all stem from 45 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: from Bill Walsh. Uh, we'll hit on boast a little 46 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: bit more from that game. Uh, looking at the team 47 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: building process BACKA. I think it's gonna it's gonna piggyback 48 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: off what you just said. It's not a mystery to 49 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: me when you look at these teams that are in 50 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: first place in their division. One thing they have in common. 51 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: Also talk about some college players were keeping an eye 52 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: on and uh and maybe a couple of college coaches 53 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. With j Gruden's firing the 54 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: first in this psycho, we know there will be more. 55 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: What college names could we anticipate um making that leap 56 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: up to the NFL level? All right, but let's get 57 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: back to that game real quick. You you touched on 58 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: it there at the top. They ran the heck out 59 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: of the football and Uh, and when I look at 60 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: this team, I feel like, you know, we're pretty consistent 61 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: on here talking about the forty niners all offseason as 62 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: being a dangerous team, and it was to me two things, 63 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: the two most important things, as we discussed on this 64 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: podcast all the time. You get great pass rush and 65 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: you get good, you know, great quarterback play. Ideally, those 66 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: are the two things the most important football right now. 67 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: And while you can say Jimmy Garoppolo maybe he's not 68 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: playing an elite level, he's been efficient. If nothing else, 69 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: he's been steady, he's been solid. And that pass rush. 70 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: When you add Nick Bosa, you add d Ford to 71 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: the guys you already have in place, particularly the forth 72 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: Buckner is one of the best in the business. Um, 73 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: to me, it's no mystery why this team is doing 74 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: so well. No, look, Jid Daniel on the head. You 75 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: talk about a passing league. It's a passing league. So 76 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: everything has to be about either being able to throw 77 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: the ball efficiently or being able to disrupt the rhythm 78 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: of the passing game. And the easiest way to disrupt 79 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: the rhythm of the passing game is to be able 80 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: to dominate the trenches and control the line of scrimmage. 81 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,839 Speaker 1: The San Francisco forty Niners and all of their first 82 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: round picks along that offensive line, uh that defensive line 83 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: rather are able to dictate the terms to the offense. 84 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: They're able to rush with three and four guys, putting 85 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: max coverage in the back end, suffocate you on the 86 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: outside with their press coverage, and challenge your arter back 87 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: to make tight window throws down after down after down 88 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: over four court quarter period. And that's very, very difficult 89 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: to do. And then with Jimmy Garoppolo, the expectation when 90 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: you pay a lot of money for a quarterback is that, Nanta, 91 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: we have the quarterback, we're gonna make him throw it 92 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: all over the yard to kind of validate um his 93 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: value to the team. And what the forty NINEUS have 94 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: done is like, look, whatever we pay the quarterback, we 95 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: paid the quarterback. However, for us to win, we still 96 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: know that we have to have the running game to 97 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: complement the passing game and really make it easy for Garoppolo. 98 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: So it's the efficiency that he operates with that has 99 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: allowed to and enabled to forty nine is to be 100 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: able to play um what I called and controlled explosive game. Uh, 101 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: the game is always under their control, yet they sprinkling 102 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: enough explosive plays to put the points on the board 103 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: that you have to this is an offense that. Man, 104 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: if I'm a defensive coordinator in the league, it gives 105 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: me nightmares, not because of the complexity of what they do, 106 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: but how efficient that they do it. The run, the path, 107 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: the bootleg action. Man, it's just a challenge. I was 108 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: talking to somebody and this will lead us into our 109 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: discussion about these two trees. But we were talking about 110 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: this next wave of coaches, who's it gonna be? And Uh, 111 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: this guy in the league brought up a great point. 112 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: He said, if you watch the forty Niners play, and 113 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: it's a tight knit league, everybody in the league, I've 114 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: We've talked about this before. Um, they all study Kyle Shanahan. 115 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: I mean he is kind of for for whatever people 116 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: think about Sean McVeigh and Sean mcveigh's outstanding, there are 117 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: more people spending time in the league studying Kyle Shanahan 118 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: on a weekly basis dinner studying Sean McVeigh. It's been 119 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: that way, even when they were losing last year, to 120 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: see what they were doing, particularly in the run game. 121 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: So when he was talking about who who's the next 122 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: wave of coaches and everybody assumed kind of last year, 123 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: it's it's if you've if you've ever met Sean mcveigh're 124 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: gonna get a head coaching job. He was like, look, 125 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: I want somebody that knows this Shanahan run scheme, whether 126 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: they worked with his dad, whether they went with him, 127 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: but I want somebody that is connected to that because 128 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: that's what I want. And this guy was talking from 129 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: a defensive coaching perspective of how much he despises playing 130 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: against this system. A couple of things when it when 131 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: it comes to the Shanahan system, I'll go all the 132 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: way back to where it originated. Like his dad, Mike 133 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: Shanahan was able to have um Alex Gibbs. Alex Gibbs 134 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: was Now you played against that group, right, man, played 135 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: against a group when I was with Kansas City and 136 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: with the Oakland Raiders. And to think about our colleague 137 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: at NFL Network TV, Tarrell Davis, Hall of Fame running 138 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: back was kind of like the driving force of that offense. 139 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: And basically it is a very simple system. There are 140 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: only two running players that you're talking about having to 141 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: defend inside zone, outside zone. All kinds of window dressing, 142 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: but literally they live in inside zone and outside zone. 143 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: They get on their tracks uh. Inside zone is the 144 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: angle tracks uh catching climb to the next level. Outside 145 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: zone the elephants on parade running outside. The running back 146 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: is given a directive, Look, you got one cut and go. 147 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: The main thing is to avoid negative runs and to 148 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: get three and four yards up up, but no negative runs. 149 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: Is kind of like the premise in the baseline. And 150 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: so when you're working on those things over and over 151 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: and over again, man, your offensive line can be so 152 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: efficient at it because they're running the same two plays 153 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: each and every day. What Kyle Shanahan does to kind 154 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: of take it to the next level, it's all the 155 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: window dressing that comes along with it. It's the motions 156 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: and the shifts, the redirection is all of the stuff 157 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: that happens before the snap, before you see the same play, 158 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: and he is able to throw off the eyes and 159 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: the I would say, the focus of the defense with 160 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: so much constant moving and that is really the beauty. 161 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: And what he does is not necessarily the scheme. It 162 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: is the window dressing, the icing on the cake that 163 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: Shanahan provides that really makes it a very very challenging 164 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: offense to defend. So I was talking to a coach 165 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: and he brought up a great point and he said, 166 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: you want to talk about cycles in the league, right, Uh, 167 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: this was in a really last year. In the last 168 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: couple of years, this has been an eleven personnel it's 169 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: been a one back, one tight end league. And he said, 170 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: if you look at it, and he said, he said, 171 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: I haven't looked at the numbers, but said, I guarantee 172 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: if you break it down and look at the long 173 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: runs this year and the teams that are running at consistently, well, 174 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: they're running at our twelve and twenty two personnel UM, 175 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: two tight ends. UM, there's a lot of two backs 176 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: seeing full backs. Obviously you check and unfortunately got dinged 177 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: up in that game. But he's been a dominant player. 178 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: But he's like, that's where the league is going back to. 179 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: It's going back to a twelve and twenty two personnel league. DJ. 180 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: The reason it's going back to a twelve and twenty 181 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: one personnel league is because defense is reacted to all 182 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: of the eleven and ten personnel that people were playing 183 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: one back, one tight end, one back, four wide receivers 184 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: by putting little guys on the field, a little fast 185 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: pass rushers, little dbs. All of these undersized guys are 186 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: now on the field getting after pass or covering well 187 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: the way that you run those little guys off the 188 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: field you get in big boy formations. You play big 189 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: boy football, you run the ball, you run it at them, 190 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: and you chat on them. Remember this, this is a 191 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: time where guys are hitting less in practice. You don't 192 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: have as much time. The running game requires more time 193 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: and entrics intricacies in terms of run fits. They are 194 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: taking advantage of the rules by saying we're gonna run 195 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: at you because we know you don't know how to 196 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: defend it. You don't know how to fit it, and 197 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: over time your break. And we're seeing these big boy 198 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: teams the Baltimore Ravens, uh, the Tea, the Seattle Seahawks, 199 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: and emergy S. The teams that can run it will 200 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: are the Vikings, the Panthers, the Colts, eighties Cowboys, the Bills, 201 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: going back eighties football, old school football. Let's see if 202 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: you can line up and handle a strong dose of 203 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: this heavy running game. And it's proven that people don't 204 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: have an answer for it. Yeah, and he was we 205 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: were talking having this discussion about so much of it 206 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: is exactly like you said, it's run fits. As we 207 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: talked about in the spring before the draft, right, what 208 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: if we said about linebackers for the last s have 209 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: been doing this the last five plus years. We've talked 210 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: about speed, speed, speed. If you can't run, if you 211 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: can't cover, you can't play at the linebacker position. Well, 212 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: one time, sometimes you get those guys. Some of them 213 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: are college safeties. Some of them have been playing against 214 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: spread their whole life, from high school all the way 215 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: through college. They simply aren't comfortable fitting. They're not comfortable 216 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: fitting up against these runs from twelve and twenty one personnel. 217 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: They're just not They're not They're not comfortable there. I 218 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: see a lot, you know what, I'm seeing a lot 219 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: of doing these charger games. I'm seeing a lot of 220 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: thirteen personnel seeing three tight ends, uh, and just teams 221 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: are not comfortable and and knowing where to be and 222 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: how to fit those runs. Especially when you send some 223 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: ghosts motion and you start messing with their eyes and 224 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: pulling those in different directions, and all of a sudden, 225 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: it's like, wait, where am I supposed to be here? 226 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: How do I fit this thing? And you're getting gashed? 227 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: It is It is really a challenge third team personnel, 228 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: and particularly as a challenge because when you put three 229 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: tight ends on the field, makes it so hard for 230 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: the defense to figure out who to set the strong 231 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: the strength call to, meaning every team that has multiple 232 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: tight ends, one guy's does signated as to why the 233 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: why is the guy that the defense will set the 234 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: defense to, meaning he is the strong tight end. But 235 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: when you have multiple tight ends, and if they have 236 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: a variety of skills, meaning they're versatile enough to run, block, 237 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: and catch passes, it makes it challenging because on any 238 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: given play, you can change who the y is and 239 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: that makes it where the defense is always at a disadvantage. 240 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: And so you are seeing the league kind of go 241 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: back to what we saw in the eighties, where you're 242 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: running the ball, you're throwing off play action, you're doing 243 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: those things. And with so many young quarterbacks, the running 244 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: game is the quarterback's best friend because it not only 245 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 1: takes pressure off of him by being able to hand 246 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 1: it to somebody, but now when you throw off play action, 247 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: you have bigger windows for him to toss. So look, 248 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: offensive coordinators are smart. Uh, everything is cyclical in this league, 249 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: and we're seeing it go back and I want to 250 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: talk about this because it's funny because I always have 251 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: a conversation with one of my guys, one of my 252 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: best buzz as a college coach at Delaware State, Anthony Vitality. 253 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: So Anthony is a huge Alex Gibbs fans. So when 254 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: we coached together at Notre Dame High School out here, 255 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: he was like a huge fan, a big proponent. Would 256 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: always follows the guy. I want to go watch him 257 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: in clinics or whatever. Study all this stuff off YouTube 258 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: and tapes, and so we have always talked about dead 259 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: zone running scheme and being able to chop people down 260 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: on the back end. And so when you're talking about 261 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: that kind of coming back into prominence in that being 262 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: a gateway or a pathway to somebody getting the head job, 263 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: I think it will make an old old line coach 264 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: smile because it's one of those things that we just 265 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: don't think that you can have guys that can lead 266 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: offenses and direct teams that come outside of the quarterback position. 267 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 1: But we're seeing that these teams that are running the 268 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: ball like this, there's something to that secret sauce. And 269 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: so maybe we'll see some more old line coaches get 270 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: uh looks and love when it comes to the head 271 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: coaching cycle, Well, it's very interesting, it is. It's so 272 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: funny how this stuff can go in one direction. You 273 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: think it's never gonna come back around. The game has 274 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: changed forever and slowly, but sure you see that things 275 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: start heading back to where it was previously. It is 276 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: definitely one big circle um with how the the NFL works. 277 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: I thought we hit on the coaching trees there with 278 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan. It's just fascinating how many 279 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: of these guys are spread around the league. It is. 280 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: Which is how the difference between Kyle and Andy though 281 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: is I think, given his druthers, given the choice with 282 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: the team that could do both, I get the sense 283 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan would much rather run it down your throat, 284 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: whereas Andy wants to want to chuck it all over 285 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: the yard. It's funny because Andy comes from the Mike 286 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: Homegren tree, and I can tell you, like in playing 287 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: in Green Bay for Mike Homegren when Andy Reid was 288 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: the tight end coach there before he became the quarterback coach, 289 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: that definitely was the premise um they wanted to operate 290 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: under a sixty forty pass run ratio, and I would 291 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: tell you there's probably more sixty five thirty five if 292 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: they had their druthers. Whenever UH coach Homegren felt like 293 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: the team was in trouble because his natural instinct was 294 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: the passing game. Haven't been a guy that coached at 295 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: b y U and all those other things coach with 296 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: San Francisco for the not as gonna Bill wash. He 297 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: was just a big believer in the passing game, and 298 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: he read played at b y U. He saw what 299 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: Lavelle Edwards and those guys were able to do successfully 300 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: in the college game by throwing the ball. That's his 301 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: sweet spot, dad his comfort zone. And I would say 302 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: he does probably the finest job of mixing in the 303 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: passing game with the screen game to use those things 304 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: to kind of supplement or maybe even replace the running game. 305 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I do wonder 306 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: can you consistently win at a high level, like championship 307 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: level without being able to kind of physically control the 308 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: game with the running game. I know the analytics will say, like, hey, 309 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: it's more efficient to pass, but there's something to being 310 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: able to control the game with the running game that 311 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: just still makes me think that the old school formula 312 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: still works in the day's game. Yeah, it's interesting. You 313 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: know the Raiders. You look at what they've done. John Gruden, 314 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: who was there, uh, you know, right there alongside Andy 315 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: Reid with you there in uh in Green Bay, and 316 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: he is he is more on the Shanahan side of things. 317 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: He further run it. And they've built an offensive line 318 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: that can mash you that way. And that's the way, 319 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: uh that they play. And then you look at Doug Peterson. 320 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: You know, all this thing is kind of connected. He's 321 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: been you know, under Andy for a long time. When's 322 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl with the Philadelphia Eagles. Now, they threw it, 323 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: they threw it well, but they also had a great 324 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: offensive line and they could run when they needed to run. Um. 325 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: That's the thing about this Chiefs team. And um, you know, 326 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: when you lose a back who I thought was pretty 327 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: darned talented, Cream Hunt, They've got some good players left 328 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: there at the running back position. I don't think any 329 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: of them are as good as Cream Hunt. Um. And 330 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: an offensive line, it's really been beat up. I mean, 331 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: they need to get healthy before you can get a 332 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: fair evaluation there. Um. But I just wonder if you 333 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: look at them in comparison to these other teams were 334 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: talking about when if they have to, you know, if 335 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: they gotta run it, can they can they run it? 336 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: I mean that's gonna be interesting to follow with that 337 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: Chief's team. Yeah. I think what you hit on is 338 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: really what is important when we talk about the running game. 339 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily that you run it. The entire game 340 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: is can we run and they gotta have it run situations? 341 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: Can we run in the red zone? Can we run 342 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: in four minutes when we need to run out the clock? 343 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: Can we run it when we need to settle the 344 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: quarterback down because he's having an off day and we 345 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: just kind of need to ask some stability to the offense. 346 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: Being able to run the ball allows you to really, 347 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: what we say, control of the game. And if you're 348 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: a team that has a suspect or shaky defense, the 349 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: best way to play good defense is to keep your 350 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: defense on the sideline by owning and possessing the ball. 351 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: And some teams realize that some teams are playing at 352 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: a more deliberate pace because they can run the ball, 353 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: and you just can't get enough because no matter how 354 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: the season starts, when we get into the stretch we 355 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: saw with the Patriots last year. The Patriots we sixteen seventeen, 356 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: and in the playoffs they morphed into a team. Ground 357 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: to pound never goes out of style. When you're able 358 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: to do that, man, you can win a ton of games. 359 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: All right, that's a good discussion there. I do want 360 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: to hit on this real quick. Uh. Nick Bosett was 361 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: dominant in that game. Everybody saw. I don't know that 362 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: I need to tell anybody. I mean it was pretty 363 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: obvious there. They could not block him and really hasn't 364 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: been blocked all year long playing on that high ankle. 365 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: But he was back to near full strength in that game, 366 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: and I thought he was. He was a one man 367 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: wrecking crew out there. But it brought up this discussion book. 368 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: You know, his dad, obviously, John Bosa, was a first 369 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: round pick for the Dolphins in seven. Uh. You know, 370 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: everybody knows about big brother Joey and what he's done 371 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: with the Chargers as the third overall pick, and and 372 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: scouting oftentimes it'll get brought up, well, he's got good genes. 373 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: You know, he comes from a you know, football family, 374 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: and and I was trying to think of, Okay, how 375 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: do you, how do you process that? Because I've seen 376 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: plenty of little brothers that weren't any good. Um, They've 377 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: been drafted based off their last name and not their game. 378 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: You end up missing on a player. So does it 379 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: mean anything to be in a football family like this 380 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: where you've had athletic success and the way I the 381 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: way I look at it, Buck, I think in the 382 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: time we are in now where you don't have as 383 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: much time to really get these guys developed right the NFL, 384 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: UM is not really a developmental league anymore. He just 385 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: don't have the time to do that. It is nice 386 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: when you get somebody that's been around the game their 387 00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: whole life to know you're not gonna have to teach 388 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: him certain things. He's gonna know how to be a pro. UM, 389 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: he's gonna know what it's like to practice, he's gonna 390 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: know how to take care of his body. That those 391 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: things have been handed down from big brother or from 392 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: his dad or whatever. UM, I think that's valuable. I 393 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: think you've gotta be careful not to judge the athletic 394 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: ability and judge that off the name. You've got to 395 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: study that make sure the guy can play. But I 396 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 1: do think all things being equal, that's a huge bonus 397 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: to know you're not gonna have to worry about some 398 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: of those other things. I think I think it does matter. 399 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: I think it's the right Um. I think it's the 400 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: right question to ask because I know when I worked 401 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: in certain places, we really valued the legacy. Um, guys 402 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: who have bloodlines, guys who had the d n A. 403 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: I will say that with the Bosa family, I just 404 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: remember saying, it's the family business. Like the businesses in 405 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: pass rushing, Um, Uh say what you want to Like, 406 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: all of the bosses come ready made. Uh. They have 407 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: the skills, they have the technique. They're more technicians than anything. Yes, 408 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: there's in they just understand. Yeah. Look, you talk about j. J. 409 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: Watt and his family and his brothers both being able 410 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: to play, Derek and t J being able to play 411 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 1: in the league. I mean you go to Matthews like 412 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: Clay Matthews and Bruce Matthews and Clay Jr. And uh, 413 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: Jake Matthews being able to play. Like there's something to that, 414 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: because Uh, I think exposure means a lot. Being able 415 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: to be exposed to the game at a higher level 416 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: when you're younger. Um, being around it, seeing what pros do, 417 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: being able to befriend maybe some pros, being able to 418 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: get tips from guys who are playing at the highest 419 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: level watching them. I think it matters, and I think 420 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: it matters um not only as players. I think in 421 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: a way sometimes it can matter as coaches. And I've 422 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: said this about Sean McVeigh because people are searching for 423 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: the next Sean McVeigh. But I think Sean McVeigh is 424 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: a little different. Because Sean McVeigh grew up around the 425 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: forty nine is because his granddad was what president or 426 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: a high ranking executive for the forty niners, so he 427 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: saw it. He then spend time with John Gruten like 428 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: working and doing those things. So even though he was young, 429 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: he was wise in what I would call dog years 430 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: because he was always around. And I'm not saying that 431 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: little every coach's son or everybody who has ties to 432 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: someone that works in an organization UH should be given 433 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: a job. I am saying though, that that exposure can 434 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: put them a couple of steps ahead of the game 435 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,479 Speaker 1: when it comes time to understanding how the game is played, 436 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: how the game should be coached and taught, and the like, 437 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: and so it's one of those advantages that you have 438 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: when you grow up in the family business. No, I 439 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: think it's so true. I think he brought up great 440 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: points in their book, being just being around the game 441 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: might look I think about it, Kobe Bryant, look a 442 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: look at what his dad happened being in the NBA 443 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: for a long time. I'm a look as a Podre, 444 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: we only have Potter family have one good player, uh 445 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: Fernando Tattoos. But his dad was a long time major leaguer. 446 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: This kid comes up with a twenty year old and 447 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: look like he's been in the league for ten years. Um, 448 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: So there are a lot of examples of that. You 449 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: don't think like, I like that, right, he's been on 450 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: he's been on a baseball field since he's five years old. 451 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: You walk into a major league stadium for the first time, 452 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 1: you think that kid is intimidated. Kobe, What about Latimer 453 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: Gerrerod Jr? Like the same thing. Like, I mean, Dante 454 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: Bichette's kids out there is a bunch of them. I mean, 455 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: it's it's not it's not too big for him. And 456 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: I think there's something to the poise of being around it. 457 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: You've seen it you've seen it in big moments. You've 458 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: seen your dad performing big moments. You're not, um, yeah, 459 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: I mean like there's something, there's something to it, you know, 460 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: it's funny, like, man, that's the first Padres reference we've 461 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: had like four months, like when we started out and 462 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: then it it went away. Hey, hey Buck. You know 463 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: the best thing about that, though, is after after Steven 464 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: Strasburg mose your chart, you're a Dodger's down. We're all 465 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: gonna be playing golf next week. Hundred and fifty hundred 466 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: fifty wins or whatever you guys got. You think jewelry 467 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: just because it's Game five, just because going to game five, 468 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: You know what, I think it would be nice of 469 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: the Nationals to knock you guys out before you lose 470 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: another World Series. Losing three World Series in ro you're 471 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: getting in a Buffalo Bill's territory here. I don't want 472 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,239 Speaker 1: you gotta have. You've gotta be resilient, you gotta keep going, 473 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: you gotta keep taking swings. I can't believe. I can't 474 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: believe you're reveling in somebody somebody else's Uh, this is 475 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: a Padre fans. What we do, man, we don't you 476 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: can't enjoy our own success. We got a root for 477 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: your failure. Uh. Look, I I do want to look 478 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: at the standings here real quick because I was just 479 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: when you're looking at this kind of struck me right. 480 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: New England Patriots. UM donated a lot of resources to 481 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: the offensive line. Now they let Trent Brown walk, which 482 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: was interesting, but they lead the they lead the a 483 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: FC East, the Baltimore Ravens. Um. When you look at 484 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: some of the young talented players they have on that 485 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: offensive line, Um, Orlando Brown, who's really you know, turned 486 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: into a really good player who they got an absolute bargain. 487 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: Ronnie Stanley is a first round pick, um, you know. 488 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: Obviously the you know, marciall Yonda is a Hall of 489 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: Famer in my opinion. That's a good offensive line. Houston text, 490 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: and they're tied with the Indianapolis Colts. Everybody knows the 491 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: resources of the Colts have put into their offensive line 492 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: with all those first rounders. Um. The Houston Texans obviously 493 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: the trade for tunsil Um, the drafting of a couple 494 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: of kids you're seeing out there. They're playing better, they're 495 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: getting better as a group there at first Place, the 496 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs while they're not healthy. Um, you know 497 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: that's you know, when healthy, I would say that's a 498 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's one of the better offensive lines in 499 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: the NFL. I would say it's probably a top we 500 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: think buck top seven eight offensive line. I think I 501 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: think it's hard to be a team that is a 502 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: legitimate contender without a solid offensive line. Uh, it's the foundation. 503 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,239 Speaker 1: I mean, like, look, we talked, we talked about it's 504 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: like building your house on sand if you don't have 505 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: a good offensive line. The offensive line is the key 506 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: to everything. And all of these teams have wisely invested 507 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: in them. Look, we can say whatever we want to 508 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: say about Bill O'Brien and what he gave up, but 509 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: when you look at the results and you see Deshaun 510 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: Watson throw for one of yours and five touchdowns because 511 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: he's protecting the clean, hey, man, is it's well worth 512 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: uh the cost of doing business. And so more teams 513 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: are looking at the offensive line and determining, man, we 514 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: really got to invest in that. The Oakland Raiders, man, 515 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: say what you want to about what they paid for 516 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: Trent Brown. When you watched them play against Chicago Bears 517 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: and they're running it down their throat. Because TRENTP. Brown 518 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: is arguably playing like the best right tackling football, it's 519 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: well worth the investment. And so I don't know if 520 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: you can put enough capital and resources into the offensive 521 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: line because it's such a key part of your team 522 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: and really quick to the NFC Eagles great offensive line, Packers, 523 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: really good offensive line, Saints great offensive line, forty Niners, 524 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,239 Speaker 1: really good offensive line. Um, it's not it's not a secret, man. 525 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: And I also, you know we're talking about the Niners earlier. 526 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: It's you know, they got a great defensive line. You 527 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: know what, They've put a lot of resources into that 528 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: defensive line. They've they've drafted first rounders, and they've spent 529 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: money in free agency. And a lot of these other 530 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: teams were talking about their offensive lines that are playing well. 531 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: They've devoted resources to it. And then I can flip 532 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: it over to the other side, buck, and I can 533 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: give you a team like the New York Jets who 534 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: are bad, I mean just bad till you go look 535 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: at their draft history. You haven't drafted any offensive linemen. Now, 536 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: don't be surprised your offensive line stinks. You haven't given 537 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: any resources to it. Yeah, I mean you have to 538 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: commit to it. You can have all the shiny stuff 539 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: on the outside, but if you don't have the offensive 540 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: line in place, it's hard to make it go. We'll 541 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: use the Cleveland Browns as an example. I thought this 542 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: team was gonna be a team and they still could 543 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: maybe emerge, re emerge as a team that can compete. 544 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: But despite having all the bills and whistles on the outside, 545 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: O b J and Jarvis Landry and Nick Chubb, and 546 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: you get your first round court number one quarterback, the 547 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: offensive line is in and say, well, the offensive line 548 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: is underperforming or they just don't have enough talent, and 549 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: they're achilles heels. Their achilles heel comes back to bite them, 550 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: comes back to hurt them at the biggest moments. Man, 551 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: when we're looking at the game last night, just because 552 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: it's fresh on our mind, man ratching Robinson having to 553 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: take on Boston and he is outshed, overwhelmed. No shot, man, 554 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: It's tough. And so we can talk about Baker not 555 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 1: being able to play well, but man, it is hard 556 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: when you're always fending off rushers in your face, at 557 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: your feet, banging you around. All quarterbacks change when they 558 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: get hit a little bit. And so the offensive line 559 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: is something that I think more executives we talked about it, 560 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: but we gotta commit, got to commit to resources in 561 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: the time to make sure that it's always viewed as 562 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: a priority in the team building process. Yeah. Two quick 563 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 1: things to piggyback what you just said there. Um, How 564 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: sad is it if you're a Browns fan when you 565 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: think about for all, for a decade you had, you know, 566 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: one of the best left tackles in the NFL and 567 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: now you fill all these holes around the rest of 568 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: your team, but your left tackles not there. He's working 569 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,479 Speaker 1: for us and Joe Thomas. Man that just the timing 570 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: situation there didn't quite uh, didn't quite work out. And 571 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: the other thing I would ask you, buck Um, we've 572 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: had one coach get fired, right five games into the season. 573 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: Coach got fired. How is his offensive line? Mm hmm. Yeah, Man, 574 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: will let me answer that for you. It's not good. 575 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 1: That's where he would be a nice he would be 576 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: a nice addition to what they have now. It'll be 577 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: left tackle the NFL. He ain't there. It'll be interesting 578 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: to see how this team changes with Bill Callahan. Um, 579 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: we talked about the old line coaching, and you know 580 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: we're talking about what your your buddy said was talking 581 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: about like he wants to get the scheme or whatever. 582 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: I'll say this about Bill Kelly and Bill Callahanda is 583 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: one of the best offensive line coaches in football. Bill Callahan, 584 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 1: what he was able to do in Dallas and then 585 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: for a time in Washington, what he's been able to do, 586 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: go back to the man and he is. He is 587 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,719 Speaker 1: a tough dude. He does a great job of incorporating 588 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: multiple schemes. He's gonna be a powerful football team. I 589 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: wonder if we'll see the style change over the next 590 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 1: eleven games for the Washington Redskins behind the offensive line. Look, 591 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: the talent that he has at his disposal is the 592 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 1: talent that he has. But in terms of style of play, 593 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: running the ball, controlling it, playing a physical brand of ball, 594 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: I wonder if the red Skins will get back to 595 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: that because to me haven't grown up in North Carolina, 596 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: but the red Skins were always kind of the regional 597 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: team that was on TV to me the hey day 598 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: for the Riskins, obviously the Joe Gibbs Air when they 599 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: could run the ball whenever they want to run it. 600 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: They would have multiple backs show up and run for 601 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 1: a thousand yard seasons. They could do it, whether it 602 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: was John Riggins with Joe Washington, where there's Jerald Riggs, 603 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: whether there's Ernest Biner. You want to see the risk 604 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: and get back to that. But it starts with the 605 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: offensive line. Like you talked about all the teams that 606 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: are able to dominate in the league, it is led 607 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: by the offensive line being able to kind of push 608 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: and dominated the line of scrimmage, no doubt. Let's let's 609 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: switch over to the college game here real quick. Um, 610 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: let's do one player a piece of if we've looked 611 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: at lately or who stood out to you. I just 612 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: studied Rae Kwon Davis this morning from Alabama, who was 613 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: enormous when you look at him. Uh, last year a 614 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: little disappointing when I watched him over the summer. He's 615 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: playing much better this year. Six seven, three twelve pounds 616 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: as a as a defensive lineman, he plays um, you know, 617 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: kind of the end and left the end. He'll play 618 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: a little bit on the right side as well. And 619 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: they're three man front. When they go to a four 620 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: man front, he's usually the one technique just off the 621 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: side of the center. Um. He is tall, he long, 622 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: he's got great hands, takes on blocks. You know, see 623 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: him stack and shed. He's got some some lateral range 624 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: to make plays sideline to sideline. Not a great pass rusher. Uh. 625 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: He flashes a little bit with a little club swim move. Um, 626 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: but he's consistently laid off the ball, which that bothers 627 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: me a little bit. Um. You don't see great pass 628 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: rushers uh. Um. You know they usually that correlates the 629 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: last guy off the ball. That's tough to get somebody 630 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: to to improve in that area. So uh, he's gotta 631 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: he's gotta do something a little bit better there. I 632 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: don't know how much upside he has as a pass rusher, 633 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: but for those teams that want kind of that base end, Um, 634 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: he can do that all day long. Play the run, 635 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: stack blocks. You can't move him me so long, and 636 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: I think with a lot of the quick passing game 637 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: we see in the NFL right now, it's harder and 638 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: harder to get home. Just his size and length, his 639 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: ability to get his hands on some footballs. If he 640 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: can't get home as a rusher, I think has some value. Um, 641 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: But I've seen a lot of talk about him, you know, 642 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: potentially as a top ten, top fifteen pick. I just 643 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: haven't seen enough in the two games I watched almost 644 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: in South Carolina. I just haven't seen enough as a 645 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: pass rusher that would warrant him going that high. But 646 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: a very very talented run defender. I think this is 647 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: a mistake that most of us make during this time 648 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: of year. UM. We overvalue the run stopper, nose tackle type. 649 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: UM because they're big, and they're dominant, and they do 650 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: some things. But at the end of the day, the 651 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: guys that go in the top ten at defensive tackle 652 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: are guys that can affect the pass rusher. UM. We've 653 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: talked about this, and I wrote down in my notes. 654 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: We talked earlier, UH, the great teams, great pass rush, 655 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: great quarterback. And so when you think about the pass rush, 656 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: when you talk to defensive coordinators around the league, they 657 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: would tell you it used to be a I want 658 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: to edge rushers. Now is I want one outside, one 659 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: inside of Russia, someone that can affect the pocket right 660 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: inside to get right in the face of the quarterback 661 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: and change his timing. And someone on the outside that 662 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: is able to run them down and get them down. 663 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: When I look at ray Kuan, I like what he 664 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: does against the run. I like the size, I like 665 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: the length, um, I like how hearty plays. But you 666 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: talk about laid off the ball, man, I don't know 667 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: if you can kind of teach that snapcount, anticipation, being 668 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: able to have scared I can't like jump off the ball. 669 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: And then, Man, when you don't have production against the 670 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: passing game, you don't have quarterbacks acts, you don't have 671 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: a long list of hurries and pressures. It's tough, and 672 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: so I typically have to dem people when they only 673 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: can kind of affect the game in one area. Not 674 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: to say that he may not be a first round talent, 675 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: but man, top ten. Top ten is a spot where 676 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: the spot the stars are gonna be able to go home. 677 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,959 Speaker 1: You gotta be a guy that's gonna be a hallmark 678 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: player in this league. And so if you don't get 679 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: home and you don't affect the game where I feel 680 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: like you're a disruptor, I don't know if I can 681 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: take you in the top ten. Anybody anybody looked at 682 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: here buck, anybody jump out to you. No, it's funny. 683 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: I think like just in peeping the George the Florida 684 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: All Ring game, and you know you have down Derek 685 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: Derek Brown. Derek Brown is a guy that we thought 686 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: might come out a year ago. And when I look 687 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: at him, man, I just love what he brings to 688 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: the table against Florida. Had a sack, four tackles, forced fumble, 689 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: two fumbles, recovered, impact play, disruptive, um, athletic for a size, 690 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: plays with it with with a great motor. I like 691 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: the way he uses his hands. To me, he is 692 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: exactly what you look for in those interview positions. A 693 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: guy that can kind of stack and ship and play 694 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: on the other side of the line of scrimmage. Um, 695 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: he is gonna be a problem. He's gonna be a handful. 696 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: And when you look at the production, the sack production, 697 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: to the disruptive play production against the passing game, he 698 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: is someone that you can begin to make the case. Okay, 699 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: I can see being a top ten player just because 700 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: of what he brings to the table against the passing 701 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: him to go with what he does against the run. Yeah, 702 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: to me, he's in the same conversation with Ken Law 703 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: from South Carolina. I think that's a that's a debate 704 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: to have. I think those those guys are both to 705 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: me at level head of of somebody like Rake Jon Davis. So, um, yeah, 706 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: I think he's a he's a big time player. Did 707 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: him over the summer and uh, he jumps off the 708 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: screen And just watched him in that game the other day. 709 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: Just the power. He's just got such torque and such explosion. Uh, 710 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: he can move up and down the line of scrimmage. 711 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: You can play him pretty much anywhere along the defensive 712 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: front at that size to six five three or eighteen 713 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: pounds looking kid, big time, big time player. All right, 714 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: I wanted this last topic. Then we'll get out of here. Um, 715 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: Jake Grudin gets let go, and you're gonna see college 716 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: coaches names pop up. Is there one that stands out 717 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: to you, uh that you could see? I know, uh, 718 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: the names that I hear over and over again that 719 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: for potential NFL opportunities. Brian Kelly's name, um seems to 720 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: come up an awful lot as somebody that would make sense. Um, 721 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, depending on what happens there in Michigan. Is 722 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: is Jim Harbaugh look to get back in and um, 723 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: you know we talked earlier about some of the power 724 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: football that's taken place. I mean, he went to the 725 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, um with that style of play with the 726 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: forty Niners. So um, does his name start to pop 727 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: back up if he decides he doesn't want to do 728 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: the college thing anymore. But those are the two that 729 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: I hear probably the most of any of these college coaches. 730 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: You know, obviously Lincoln Riley is kind of the Golden 731 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: Goose UM. But you know, everybody seems to think he'll 732 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: stay in Norman. You know, I think the guy who 733 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: got some love uh doing the coaching cycle either this 734 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: pass coach Psychle and the previous one. How about many 735 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: Rule from Baylor and about him if I if I 736 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: want to think about if I want to think about 737 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: a college coach, I would prefer to have a college 738 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: coach that has been at the NFL level, so it's 739 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: not all brand new to him. He kind of understands 740 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: how the operation works. He's had some dealings with pro players, 741 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: so he does understand the different dynamic um that exists 742 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,720 Speaker 1: at the NFL level in the locker room as opposed 743 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: to in the college level. And because Matt Rule has 744 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: done a really good job of kind of getting Baylor 745 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: up and going again after the end of that art 746 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: browsed era Um. I think he could be a guy 747 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: that certainly Um could get an opportunity and could handle 748 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: the responsibilities of leading the crew. The other guys same conference, 749 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: he got some looks. I don't know if this is 750 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: a great fit at the NFL level, but I do 751 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: understand why people have kind of knocked on Matt Campbell's door. 752 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: From Iowa State, he has had success flipping that program, 753 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: going to step up um and and doing those things. 754 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: The only concern that I always happening because he doesn't 755 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: have NFL experience, how does he handle the nuances and 756 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,280 Speaker 1: changes not only of the game, but of the personalities, 757 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: the communication to go back and forth between coaches and 758 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: players while he's also learning the NFL game. He can 759 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 1: I think he can figure that far it out. I 760 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: think it's more handling and managing the people and the 761 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: personalities that are a little different. That would be the 762 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: main concern for me. Uh, that's a that's a good 763 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: call to be interesting to see what happens, how many 764 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: jobs open up, and what college coaches end up being 765 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: in the mix. Well football is back. Watch live local 766 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: primetime NFL games for free all season long with the 767 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: Yahoo Sports App or the official app of the NFL 768 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: on your phone or tablet plus get all your latest 769 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 1: breaking news, highlights and more. Download the NFL app or 770 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: the Yahoo Sports app and your app store or at 771 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,959 Speaker 1: NFL dot com slash mobile today. Certain restrictions and data 772 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 1: rates may apply. Buck We've got a big interview coming 773 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,479 Speaker 1: up on our Thursday show. We've got Dabo Sweeney gonna 774 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: join us from Clemson. Gonna have a great chat with 775 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: him about some of the some of the success his 776 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: former players are happening in the NFL as as well 777 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 1: as what's going on there at Clemson, and uh, Bucket 778 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,439 Speaker 1: would have been a lot different interview if you guys 779 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: could have held on and beat him. But probably he 780 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 1: could be a little bit better. Movie. You might not 781 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 1: have taken the interview that you might have taken the interview. 782 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: You might have had some time. You might have had 783 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 1: a tough time skyping in what I find in my 784 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: fool what sorry outfit? Uh, trying to let them know. 785 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: But now it's probably easy, probably easy for him to 786 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: call in now. Uh. Yeah, I know it's gonna be 787 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: a great episode. Looking forward to that. Also, we're gonna 788 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: have when the NBA season launches. The start of basketball season, 789 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: We're gonna have a fun crossover episode. We've been working 790 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: on gathering some interviews from basketball coaches, uh, talking about 791 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: kind of the connection between the football game and the 792 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: basketball game. I'm not gonna tell you who that is 793 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 1: at this point in time, but trust me, you'd be 794 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: on the lookout for that. I think you will enjoy it. Well, 795 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: it's been a fun episode. Thank you guys for listening, 796 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: for downloading again. If you uh, if you want to 797 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 1: leave us a question, leave us a review at Apple 798 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: Podcast will be happy to answer it. Just write the 799 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 1: review and throw your question in there. We'll get to 800 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: it at our next episode. All our videos NFL dot com, 801 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,479 Speaker 1: Slash MTS video or new YouTube channel YouTube dot com 802 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: Slash NFL podcast. 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