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Speaker 1: Dame Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us Well, welcome
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Speaker 1: for another week. As the big Voice guy says, it's
Speaker 1: Brian brought us here with my scouting buddies, Dame Brugler,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, Kent Garrison, Executive Producing. As always, gentlemen, we're
Speaker 1: getting very close to this draft inside forty four days
Speaker 1: I think now forty three days. Over a month, yeah,
Speaker 1: just over a month. Kind of getting some pro days
Speaker 1: rolling on. Had a quarterback throw yesterday at Oklahoma. Maybe
Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit. I want to get
Speaker 1: into this first segment though, as we get rolling. I
Speaker 1: want to get this thing going because we just run
Speaker 1: out of time at the end of the day, and
Speaker 1: you know that's why it goes. But I kind of
Speaker 1: want to get into a tail of the tape situation
Speaker 1: here because of the combine we had some guys that
Speaker 1: worked out really well, you know, but when we went back,
Speaker 1: did the tape make us feel any different about the player?
Speaker 1: I know you got your top one hundred coming out today, ye, Dane,
Speaker 1: So you know I want to kind of get an
Speaker 1: idea of that. We got a little Twitter on the
Speaker 1: twenty as we always do, and we got some tell
Speaker 1: me more and David Hellman has come up with some names,
Speaker 1: so that I was quite going, oh, I got I
Speaker 1: got a really really good one for you, Dane, Like
Speaker 1: are you I'm excited? Yeah? Who are you excited? All right?
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're going to see if we can stump
Speaker 1: the expert here of Dane Burglar. But Dane, you know,
Speaker 1: we had some guys that ran and worked out very
Speaker 1: very well, and as we went into the combine, we were,
Speaker 1: you know, we were kind of thinking, okay, for example,
Speaker 1: the Campbell kid, the wider sit were from Ohio State,
Speaker 1: Parris Cambell, Paris Campbell, kind of looking at him and
Speaker 1: thinking okay, maybe third, maybe two, three on the on
Speaker 1: the on the we would think about him and watching
Speaker 1: the ability of the player, and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden he goes flying on you, and you know, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe you expected that you did. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think it was necessarily the speed. It was more when
Speaker 1: you watch the tape of the combine and you see
Speaker 1: the drills, the positional drills. The biggest question for me
Speaker 1: is down field, what can he bring you? Sure, because
Speaker 1: he was an underneath player, we talked about it exactly
Speaker 1: yet sweeve screens. What can he give you down the field? Um?
Speaker 1: And when you and I know the combine, we talk
Speaker 1: about positional drills. It's a lot different when you simulate,
Speaker 1: if you simulate a game compared to catching a ball
Speaker 1: in shorts and sure you know, no defense and all that.
Speaker 1: But I was really encouraged by what I saw from
Speaker 1: Paris Campbell, just from the workout aspect of it, just
Speaker 1: the routes down field, the tracking skills, and again it's
Speaker 1: a big jump going from what he was asked to
Speaker 1: do with the combine compared to you know, doing it
Speaker 1: on the football field, right, But I was really encouraged
Speaker 1: by what I saw. And again the numbers are great,
Speaker 1: but it was expected Paris Campbell six foot two five
Speaker 1: four three one and the forty the jumps are ridiculous,
Speaker 1: forty inches in the verse eleven three broad Okay, but
Speaker 1: again the positional stuff, that's what really sold me as Okay,
Speaker 1: this guy has some juice and I won't be surprised
Speaker 1: at all when he goes. And I mentioned first round
Speaker 1: when we were at the Combine. Sure, it won't be surprised.
Speaker 1: He goes in the first round and on my board
Speaker 1: I have him as the fourth wide receiver, number forty
Speaker 1: three overall. So he did he? So where did he
Speaker 1: start in your process? Before the Combine? Would he have
Speaker 1: been a top fifty player on your board? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: I mean he because again, so the tape is the
Speaker 1: tape translate? You think that's what we what we were
Speaker 1: seeing here? I want to I want to know, Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, I want to know the three in
Speaker 1: front of him. Yeah, that was when that I buried
Speaker 1: the lead on that one, didn't they? I'm guess in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: uh Metcalf. I don't think he has Metcalf up there
Speaker 1: and over him. I've met Calf one Hollywood Metcalf, and
Speaker 1: then the third A J. Brown. Very good. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: pay attention with Paris Campbell. You can go back to
Speaker 1: the Ohio State tape and you'll like what you see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but again you're not going to see downfield rounds. You're
Speaker 1: not going to see any complex So the comedy the
Speaker 1: combine showed you this kid has ability to track the
Speaker 1: ball and go down the field and much at least
Speaker 1: he showed me that he could do it. He could
Speaker 1: do a struggle with it. I'm not a little and
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I'm not trying to say I
Speaker 1: disagree with you. I trust you implicitly. I'm a little
Speaker 1: surprised as much as you focus on tape. Yeah, to
Speaker 1: hear you say this, because that's my impression of Campbell
Speaker 1: is you will turn on the tape, You're going to
Speaker 1: see the athleticism. You're not going to see the polish
Speaker 1: of you know of you know the route running and
Speaker 1: the versatility, and you know you trust his hands, you
Speaker 1: trust his mechanics and all that good stuff. Like you know,
Speaker 1: I'll beat the name into the ground. I won't apologize
Speaker 1: for it. Like, how do you compare him to Deebo Samuel?
Speaker 1: Just in terms of the tape of Deebo Samuel playing
Speaker 1: wide receiver is gonna be way better, Oh it is
Speaker 1: than the tape of Paris Campbell. That's fair. Um, I
Speaker 1: think so much of scout by the way right and
Speaker 1: so much of scouting his projection um with what Paris
Speaker 1: Campbell did at the combine, I feel much better projecting
Speaker 1: him forward as a guy who will round out his
Speaker 1: route tree, who will you know, put it all together
Speaker 1: and be more than just underneath torget where Deebo Samuel
Speaker 1: I think he's a He's a good player, don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong. I mean he's number eight wide receiver for me, uh,
Speaker 1: number two senior behind Paris Campbell. So I like Deebo Samuel,
Speaker 1: but I think he's kind of tapped out in terms
Speaker 1: of like what he gives you, like you know exactly
Speaker 1: what you're getting, but it's just you know, it's not
Speaker 1: a necessarily a home run, where Paris Campbell I think
Speaker 1: could be a home run with what he brings you.
Speaker 1: It's just your On his tape at the Ohio State tape,
Speaker 1: he didn't show me that he can't run downfield routes.
Speaker 1: He wasn't. You never, you never, you didn't. You don't
Speaker 1: see him do it, that's for sure. That's for sure.
Speaker 1: There's a big difference when you know, if you couldn't
Speaker 1: do it on tape during the season, then he does
Speaker 1: do it the combine. That gives you a little bit
Speaker 1: of pause, but it's he wasn't asked to do it
Speaker 1: at Ohio State, but then he did do it the combine.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm a little more optimistic when it comes
Speaker 1: to Paris Campbell. What about the Notre Dame kid receiver? See,
Speaker 1: now that's the one I think that's got a lot
Speaker 1: of people scratching their head in the in the scouting community.
Speaker 1: When you've got a guy that's almost six four two
Speaker 1: hundred twenty pounds and he goes down there at four
Speaker 1: four one and not only the forty, but six seven
Speaker 1: seven and a three cone. Yeah, that's a silly number. Okay,
Speaker 1: pretty crazy. It's the tape. Is the tape showing that?
Speaker 1: Or is or is the tape not gonna lie on
Speaker 1: that one? Is that a little bit? You know, you
Speaker 1: talk so glowingly about Campbell, and rightfully so you talk
Speaker 1: Boyk in the same way as does Boykin put himself
Speaker 1: in a position to where he is a maybe a
Speaker 1: third round guy and not this maybe a fifth round
Speaker 1: guy or you know, were five type guy. You thought
Speaker 1: I was encouraged by what I saw. He just he
Speaker 1: doesn't play with a confidence of that type of athlete.
Speaker 1: You see a little bit of the twitch, You see
Speaker 1: the movement skills when he has a lane, when he
Speaker 1: can run, You see the speed as a route runner.
Speaker 1: Don't necessarily see it all the time, sure, but um,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm encouraged by what I saw most of
Speaker 1: than what I thought going in. And the numbers help that.
Speaker 1: But he reminds me a lot of Dante Moncrief coming
Speaker 1: out of Old Miss that Old Miss again and wide receiver,
Speaker 1: and you're just like, yeah, I know I'm throwing them
Speaker 1: all together, but that's Moncrief has had a pretty good
Speaker 1: career for relative to where he was drafted. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're not talking about Laquon Treadwell, right and he did. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's just old Miss, you know, it's Old Miss and receivers.
Speaker 1: I hope we're talking about I got you no with
Speaker 1: with Boykin. I think you have a guy who he
Speaker 1: looks the part one step acceleration. He doesn't. He doesn't.
Speaker 1: It's not build up speed one step and he's going.
Speaker 1: Um and he Where I where I really liked Myles
Speaker 1: Boykin before the combine was his athleticism at the point
Speaker 1: the adjustment skills where you just kind of throw it
Speaker 1: in his area and he's gonna come down with it.
Speaker 1: So I think he brings value. He comes in for me,
Speaker 1: I think number ten wide receiver. So he bumped up
Speaker 1: a little bit after the combine. Uh, not enough where
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put him. So number ten, where does that
Speaker 1: put him in inn fest where he could be drafted?
Speaker 1: For me? I think he's number seventy overall of my board. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you know that's early third round. Okay, but if
Speaker 1: he goes in the second, no one should be surprised.
Speaker 1: I hate to go rogue on y'all, but I want
Speaker 1: can I flip this for a second, because I feel
Speaker 1: like at this time of year and for good reason,
Speaker 1: but we do it. The Cowboys could be picking nineteen,
Speaker 1: they could be picking fifty eight. We're always like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's he's he's not gonna get there, No way that's
Speaker 1: not going to happen. Which and since you know boy
Speaker 1: Can went to Notre Dame, that reminded me of Equanimius.
Speaker 1: Well that was that sounded like to me the worldly
Speaker 1: guy thing. Well, just talking to teams again, like dat
Speaker 1: first came up with that, the same thing Can maybe
Speaker 1: be said about the tackle there. I don't care, I
Speaker 1: don't care why. But who's the guy that we're talking
Speaker 1: about glowingly right now? Who's gonna be there late on
Speaker 1: day three when you're like, whoa, what's going on with
Speaker 1: this guy? Oh, you're you're saying the guy that's get
Speaker 1: you can go find you can go find a tape
Speaker 1: of us shocking about Saint Brown last year and like, oh,
Speaker 1: he won't be there for you want to know who
Speaker 1: it is. It's gonna be the kid from It's gonna
Speaker 1: be the kid from Colorado State, Preston Williams. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I think we like not only that, but like from
Speaker 1: what I mean, he's he even gonna get drafted. Like
Speaker 1: if he went undrafted, I would I mean, weren't good
Speaker 1: to go along with? I'm saying, I'm saying, whoa because
Speaker 1: of the ability? Yeah, that's what I mean. If you're
Speaker 1: telling me this, who's a guy that you well, you
Speaker 1: like Preston william Dane, who's a guy that you really like?
Speaker 1: Who's gonna fall Come on, I'm you know, I'm looking
Speaker 1: through my list here. You know, a guy like um,
Speaker 1: Devin Singletary, Oh the running back. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: think that's a great call. You really like the tape
Speaker 1: he makes guys miss but now you're stacking five guys
Speaker 1: above him, is what you're doing. Yeah, combine hurt him.
Speaker 1: It hurt him. And that's where I'm saying that you
Speaker 1: know him and how about him? And like Isaac Nada. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't expect Isaac Noad to come rolling down there
Speaker 1: at forty nine. I didn't expect that. You watch his
Speaker 1: tapist see this is where to me. You know, you
Speaker 1: talk about like, oh, who help who? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: do you? But do you? You just get mad? I
Speaker 1: get mad. You're gonna go out to Athens in time.
Speaker 1: I'm out at thirty eight. Yeah, and I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get head my way down to Boker with Tom
Speaker 1: Florida and I'm gonna get the other kid at thirty
Speaker 1: eight too. I just feel like those you should be happy.
Speaker 1: That means these guys will fall to you, what if?
Speaker 1: I I mean, I just feel like that Isaac Nada
Speaker 1: is a better football player than a four nine guy.
Speaker 1: His his workout did not and you know his workout
Speaker 1: is And maybe you're gonna be right about polite. Maybe
Speaker 1: you're gonna be right about him. You know, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: there's a guy at fifty eight you better get ready
Speaker 1: for that's another guy. It's possible. And then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, when that when when we're on the book,
Speaker 1: well the Cowboys, it's one away, Dane, who do you got? Well,
Speaker 1: we got polite from Florida and I'm gonna go hunk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a Harold Landry type of deal. I mean not sure,
Speaker 1: but yeah, sure, yeah, but with a singletary. It wasn't
Speaker 1: just the numbers at the combine, Like he didn't catch
Speaker 1: the ball well, and that was a big question. This
Speaker 1: workout was horrible. If you can't catch the ball and
Speaker 1: you're an undersized guy, that that's a problem or walking
Speaker 1: on water. Old ron Wolf used to say, if you're
Speaker 1: that little, so you know, teams are gonna be looking
Speaker 1: at that competition, you know or the Conference USA, And
Speaker 1: you know, is that really what helped make the tape
Speaker 1: shine and that production? And you know they often you
Speaker 1: say that about Henderson in from Memphis though he's the
Speaker 1: American Conference right right, but similar, I mean similar, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the thing with Darrell Henderson and Memphis think it worries
Speaker 1: me with him you look at the backup running back,
Speaker 1: the third string running back, they all average like six year.
Speaker 1: You're a scheme helps there? Oh yeah, I mean there.
Speaker 1: You watch that tape and there are some gaping holes
Speaker 1: to run through. Uh now, I mean Henderson, there's the there.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of credit as well. I'm not taking
Speaker 1: trying to take credit away from him, but it does
Speaker 1: give you a little bit of pause when you factor
Speaker 1: in scheme, factor in competition factor, in just the situation
Speaker 1: they were put in. It's just in college football. There
Speaker 1: are one hundred and thirty teams in the FBS, you know,
Speaker 1: just it's so different from conference to conference. Focusing on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys here, Dave, Yeah, what's my what's my compensatory
Speaker 1: four number? Please? Do you remember that? I believe it's
Speaker 1: one thirty six. Can I take not at one thirty six?
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, you're speaking my language. If that's I mean,
Speaker 1: if that's possible, you know, if if he's gonna run
Speaker 1: four to nine and everybody's gonna jump off the not
Speaker 1: a train, go me, it is one thirty six. Hey
Speaker 1: you go da? I knew he had done the chauffeur
Speaker 1: reas memory. Dave, Yeah, it's it's amazing the fact that
Speaker 1: you've been to Maudi Gras and the combine back to back,
Speaker 1: hey and survived. I don't I don't really get it either.
Speaker 1: But okay, what thirty six, I'd be saying, I have
Speaker 1: a third round. Yeah, I'd be surprised if you failed that,
Speaker 1: because we're talking end of the fourth round. Sure, I'd
Speaker 1: be surprised if failed that are but you never know
Speaker 1: with these tight ends. See I got him in Sternberger
Speaker 1: right there next to each other. If you watched the tape,
Speaker 1: this guy's a fat of fat, a flat back blocker
Speaker 1: to me when you watch him play. Yeah, that's you know,
Speaker 1: we're getting back into on the clock series, isn't there.
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing here, but don't quote me. Dive, no, no no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm I read this off my Twitter timeline back because
Speaker 1: not as workout was terrible and it was like, there's
Speaker 1: like no successful tight ends that ran as slow as
Speaker 1: he did. Yeah, Like it's I mean, if there are
Speaker 1: such the smallest see, that's that's another one of those
Speaker 1: that freak you out there. Oh it freaks me out
Speaker 1: because again you're right about the guys, You're right about
Speaker 1: a little running back down there Florida Atlantic. Now you
Speaker 1: know you're right about him, but you're but you're also
Speaker 1: not a you're going he's not a four nine player.
Speaker 1: He's not a four nine. He's not a Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: surprised Burglar didn't come up with that one. Oh he's
Speaker 1: made that joke before. Yeah, that's more combine guys that
Speaker 1: I think we need to talk about. Your sinner Bradbury. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a first round Oh yeah, get ready for that.
Speaker 1: You're going to teams easily bam, ragmouse style. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: he's a guy that if you especially for you a
Speaker 1: zone team workout was good. You need a center. Okay,
Speaker 1: draft and plug him in. You're fine. Um. Another guy
Speaker 1: who helped himself. I thought a lot. Justin Lane from
Speaker 1: Michigan State Corner like that guy. He to me, I
Speaker 1: think he's my fourth corner. Now behind Greedy. Where do
Speaker 1: you got Murphy? It's gonna kill Murphy because he's short. No, No,
Speaker 1: I guess he will. Murphy's actually my top corner. I'm
Speaker 1: with you, Oh, Murphy, Greedy, I'm with you. So who
Speaker 1: you put? You put Murphy over Greedy with? Well, they
Speaker 1: were they were stacked for me. The entire way. So
Speaker 1: I'm giving buyer in the edge. It only took five
Speaker 1: years day for him to actually like a player that
Speaker 1: I like. Oh that's they all agreed way more often
Speaker 1: than you don't, Murphy Greedy, you're going down the wrong
Speaker 1: road there. Yeah, I'm having second Yeah, rock your sin.
Speaker 1: And then justin lane, I think Rocus sin is gonna
Speaker 1: go higher than a lot of people. I think he's
Speaker 1: going I think he's gonna go before maybe who do
Speaker 1: you have your number? Three? Your sin? Oh? Your sin
Speaker 1: was three? Yeah, it two was Greedy Green. This is
Speaker 1: kind of my point that and I'm not he I
Speaker 1: think you got that list right. I like how you
Speaker 1: say that with like awe in your voice. No no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no, I'm like, yeah, I like it. I
Speaker 1: like your list. And then at justin lane four, then
Speaker 1: I have DeAndre bakon R. Tell me about tell me
Speaker 1: about Lane again. Just tell me about what you like
Speaker 1: about him. Well, he's a former wide receiver who he's
Speaker 1: a long guy. Yeah, he converted to corner when he
Speaker 1: got to Michigan State, and he plays the position like
Speaker 1: he understands exactly what the route runners trying to do.
Speaker 1: Puts himself in the position and make plays. Love the length,
Speaker 1: he's very good athlete or four five too exactly. You
Speaker 1: love the ball skill. So I think he's an ascending player,
Speaker 1: a guy that I'm going to sign up for if
Speaker 1: I need a corner in the late first round. Rock
Speaker 1: your sin justin Lane. Both those guys are on my radar.
Speaker 1: You think Lane as high as the first round? Yeah damn.
Speaker 1: He's number twenty eight overall on my board. Yeah that's nice.
Speaker 1: So where would he have started on your board? You
Speaker 1: think where would he have initially? Would have been my
Speaker 1: pre combined? I think he was like my sixth or
Speaker 1: seventh corner, And then you just watch the workout and
Speaker 1: you're thinking, man, this guy's get movement, skills, can run exactly,
Speaker 1: he's better. I'm gonna if I have it, If I
Speaker 1: need to bet on him, I'll bet on the upside
Speaker 1: that he provides over what we've seen from DeAndre Baker
Speaker 1: from Georgia, which two really good players, I think, but
Speaker 1: I'll go with the upside. I'll see who's got who
Speaker 1: got hurt a little bit as my guy Jouan Williams
Speaker 1: from Vanderbilt. You just you can't run a four to
Speaker 1: six four. Yeah, but watch the guy play on tape.
Speaker 1: Everybody killed that Iowa kid that's at the chargers. Now
Speaker 1: run a four to six four. You're not he was slow.
Speaker 1: He was slow, But we just what a Desmond King run.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it. It is tough to run a
Speaker 1: four to six four if you're just watch the damn tape. Brugler. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he gets beat. Isn't there? If there, he gets
Speaker 1: his hands on people, he can win on the line
Speaker 1: if he if he does, yes, that's a fair that's fair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he just doesn't. He doesn't do it. Remember this conversation. Hellman,
Speaker 1: when I'm walking around the track, I don't know, Man,
Speaker 1: isn't there if there's four? There's one position where forty matters,
Speaker 1: isn't it corner? It's a stopwatch position? Yeah, no question. Uh, well,
Speaker 1: I don't think Desmond King ran the forty at the
Speaker 1: combine and run him. I'm looking. I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to see him. Four five five the WiFi is
Speaker 1: a big difference to four five five and four six four.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you that nobody thought the guy could run.
Speaker 1: You guys are all like lining up against him. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's not true. He's also he's also a safety. He
Speaker 1: plays safety, he doesn't true, he doesn't play corner. That's true,
Speaker 1: just saying I think he can cover with Joe and
Speaker 1: William not if there are three steps behind him, he can't.
Speaker 1: Teams that really covert the length of the position they're
Speaker 1: they're gonna like him. Um but okay, four six four
Speaker 1: does There was this talk before the combine. Speed. Oh,
Speaker 1: speed was a biggest question for him. I remember us
Speaker 1: kind of like glowing about this guy. Maybe I'll no,
Speaker 1: you are right, we were real high on this guy.
Speaker 1: Pretty combine. But I mean, put on the Georgia tape.
Speaker 1: I think that shows exactly and I wrote about this
Speaker 1: before the combine. The Georgia tape shows me exactly why
Speaker 1: I am really intrigued by Joe one Williams. But also
Speaker 1: because you saw Ridley kind of beat him up a
Speaker 1: little bit several He got beat several times by receivers
Speaker 1: that just vertical off. You know, if he doesn't get
Speaker 1: if he doesn't press, doesn't get that contacted line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get beat vertically, and he doesn't have to
Speaker 1: catch up speed. He's not gonna be able to impact
Speaker 1: at the school Nashville, Desmond King. Desmond King ran a
Speaker 1: four five one, so significantly better than four six four.
Speaker 1: Now that there was questions about Desmond King's speed, You're right,
Speaker 1: there were right. There's a big reason why I fell
Speaker 1: to the fifth, no question. Yeah, and Joe one Williams,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's in my top one hundred. It's not
Speaker 1: like I, okay and fifty nine took a beating on
Speaker 1: that BOSA and I had him in the top ten.
Speaker 1: Everybody acts like I didn't even have him on the board.
Speaker 1: A little bit different when you're talking about top ten picks.
Speaker 1: Two other guys I want to mention a money hooker
Speaker 1: from Iowa ran much better than I expected. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: didn't play fast. He does, he doesn't play that fast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but his intelligence, his IQ, she instincts all off the
Speaker 1: charts and so so the film. But the film shows
Speaker 1: you he doesn't play fast. But it's kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's uh, there's a little bit of Desmond
Speaker 1: King there where he doesn't always same school. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't always play that fast. But I'm I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bet on the tape and bet on the instincts.
Speaker 1: That I think he has. And then Tristan Hill from
Speaker 1: Central Florida, Okay, defensive tackle who I think has put
Speaker 1: himself on the top one hundred discussion. As long as
Speaker 1: the maturity checks out, that's a big question with him.
Speaker 1: As long as teams are okay with the character, he's
Speaker 1: a top one hundred player. All right, Hey, thanks a
Speaker 1: lot for that. I appreciate that, David, thank you very much.
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Speaker 1: the twenty. Not directly twenty nineteen draft related, but it
Speaker 1: is pertinent to our interests. Question from Mike Emmanuel Ogba.
Speaker 1: You remember the name Cowboys famously had him drafted from
Speaker 1: right out in front of them in twenty sixteen. Have
Speaker 1: that happened a couple of different times in the drafts?
Speaker 1: Big part of the reason why they wound up with
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith. I'd say they're probably pretty happy about the
Speaker 1: way at all about that way they worked out. But
Speaker 1: the we're on the street is that the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 1: are shopping him now that they have Olivier Vernon to
Speaker 1: pair with Myles Garrett. Would you try to acquire him
Speaker 1: from Cleveland. What would you give up to get him?
Speaker 1: I think you saw a twitter from you was fifth round.
Speaker 1: See what they would do? That's what I would do.
Speaker 1: Offer a fifth round pick. See what they think about that?
Speaker 1: Because he has not lived up to being the top
Speaker 1: pick in the second round, he's in a contract year.
Speaker 1: The value is not gonna be high. If the if
Speaker 1: the Browns get anything better than a fourth I'd be shocked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: magical John Dorsey working, maybe right? And I think maybe
Speaker 1: you just you try to get creative, maybe swap spots
Speaker 1: in the fourth round or you know, Dallas's got the
Speaker 1: two compensed toys. We keep talking about those. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to give up a fourth Okay, I
Speaker 1: just I mean, if well we see I wonder if
Speaker 1: you could do it for a twenty twenty. Is that
Speaker 1: too low of the price, or make it a well
Speaker 1: conditional conditional because he probably might not sign back with you. Well,
Speaker 1: making conditional where if he gets uh, you know, over
Speaker 1: five sacks, then it's a fourth rounder. If it's below
Speaker 1: five sacks or the fifth rounder. Yeah, I worry about
Speaker 1: his instincts when I watch him play. I think he's
Speaker 1: got the trades I think he's got the physical traits.
Speaker 1: I don't see an instinctual player when I watch him play.
Speaker 1: That's fair definitely, so I wouldn't I I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean I look at this draft again and I
Speaker 1: just I look at defensive ends. I look at defensive tackles.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm totally yeah, sure, I love to draft.
Speaker 1: I think I think you're better off doing it that way.
Speaker 1: I just look at it from a practical standpoint. Man again,
Speaker 1: like what can these guys offer the minute they get here?
Speaker 1: And when you're talking about defensive end, right, the lower
Speaker 1: you go down the pecking order, the less likely it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, what did Dorian's Armstrong give you this year? Like,
Speaker 1: I mean he was fine? He was he was pick
Speaker 1: one sixteen, He's not supposed to be a star, but
Speaker 1: he played in fourteen games. He can healthy scratch a
Speaker 1: couple of times he finished with like ten tackles. Maybe, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and how how they're all in for this year? We
Speaker 1: know that, but how much all in are they? You
Speaker 1: know it may all go hast me better than any
Speaker 1: fourth round defensive end. Yes, you take this year, he
Speaker 1: probably will be better than any defensive end you get
Speaker 1: at fifty eight. I think unless unless you really nail it,
Speaker 1: and I mean which you could. But so if they're
Speaker 1: all in for this year, then you know, maybe you
Speaker 1: do give up a fourth, you know, just to give
Speaker 1: you that immediate death. And the other variable here is
Speaker 1: we just don't know what they're thinking. Is in Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory well exactly, Well that's my You can't count on
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory. You can't. And right now, he don't know
Speaker 1: what the future holds for Tank. I mean, I expect
Speaker 1: him to be on this team, but what kind of
Speaker 1: condition will he be in? YadA YadA, YadA. Agba could
Speaker 1: start even if they don't need him to start, he
Speaker 1: could rotate. Okay, I would be better than Zach Allen
Speaker 1: Boston College. Uh this year. Yes, you're talking about a
Speaker 1: guy that's been in the NFL for three years and
Speaker 1: not really and now we're talking about trade. But again,
Speaker 1: going into a contract year where he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: little a little more extra motivation is motivating. Okay, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to do. That's a Mickey Spagnola thing
Speaker 1: I just did. It isn't it isn't a It's not
Speaker 1: a perfect comparison. But again, like think about Connor Williams.
Speaker 1: You're like, well, he's gonna need a year to really
Speaker 1: get up to where he's supposed to be a guy
Speaker 1: like a manual. Agba needs no time at all. He's
Speaker 1: been through the wars. For lack of a better analogy,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this though, Okay, I ho about Nelson,
Speaker 1: Anthony Nelson from Iowa, same way, is it, Allen? I'd
Speaker 1: rather have Anthony Nelson than I'd rather have Nelson on
Speaker 1: a rookie on track then Ogba for one year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you could. I mean you could have both. You
Speaker 1: could draft anything Nelson at fifty eight and still get
Speaker 1: aug But that's what we're talking about. Ogba's being a
Speaker 1: fourth or fifth round or not second or third round.
Speaker 1: I would not give up anything more than probably a fifth.
Speaker 1: I would be reluctant to give up one of the fourths.
Speaker 1: But if if you could get them for a low price,
Speaker 1: sign me up. What do you think they're going to
Speaker 1: use that second fourth four if you had to guess, well,
Speaker 1: the fact that you can trade it, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: get creative. You know you're you're thinking they're going to
Speaker 1: use as a move right, Oh yeah, you guys know,
Speaker 1: I love a segue. Stephen says, well, so it's sort
Speaker 1: of related that. Speaking of pass rushers, speaking of comp picks,
Speaker 1: Stephen says, we're in round two. Would the Cowboys need
Speaker 1: to move up to get Jalen Ferguson? What would it
Speaker 1: take to get there? He's thinking you could use a
Speaker 1: comp pick. I am tempted to think not so much.
Speaker 1: And I know you can use those picks to move around.
Speaker 1: But once you start talking about day three picks, yeah,
Speaker 1: points right, I mean a fourth round pick probably moves
Speaker 1: you up what four or five spots? Yeah? Um? How
Speaker 1: high do you think you need to get to get
Speaker 1: Jalen Ferguson? They're at what fifty eight right now? Yeah? Defensive?
Speaker 1: Why do I kind of have this vibe that he's
Speaker 1: gonna be somewhere between forty and forty six someone right
Speaker 1: in that? I mean, I think you're gonna Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's he's. I think people are getting on board
Speaker 1: with this guy. Sure, yeah, he's If you start talking
Speaker 1: about the comparisons, well, you know him DeAndre Walker that
Speaker 1: you know Georgia, we know that kind of the same,
Speaker 1: you know, and the kid maybe you don't do you
Speaker 1: like the kid at Old Dominion. I mean he's simious. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's a light guy. I don't think he fits
Speaker 1: this team. You know, it's kind of he's like Chase Winovich,
Speaker 1: you know where he see somebody had I think doubt
Speaker 1: they had somebody mocking him to hear the like at
Speaker 1: ninety I saw that. I mean, he's a past rusher,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if he looked so slight on tape.
Speaker 1: But two hundred and forty pounds stop, well, he was
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. De Marcus Lawrence was like two
Speaker 1: forty five when he was in college, for whatever that's worth.
Speaker 1: He's two fifty three at the Combine. Zeminz was, um,
Speaker 1: you know in the third round. Yeah, sure, I mean
Speaker 1: I'd be okay with that. I mean that's where I have.
Speaker 1: Zeminz is a late third round pick yea on my board,
Speaker 1: so that makes sense. But for Jalen Ferguson, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean listen, he's especially after these guys fly off the board,
Speaker 1: you know, the Bosas, the Allen's, the Montes, sweats um
Speaker 1: a run get ready, those guys are gonna go early
Speaker 1: top twenty and then a little bit of a drop
Speaker 1: off to that next tier of defensive ends. Where's that
Speaker 1: going to be Probably early to mid second round. So
Speaker 1: Jalen Ferguson could be off the board and at thirty five,
Speaker 1: or he could be there at forty five. But I think,
Speaker 1: I think, just in my mind, I'm seeing a guy
Speaker 1: between forty and forty five. Yeah, I think if I
Speaker 1: had to close my eyes and think, Okay, where's he
Speaker 1: gonna go forty to forty five somewhere right there to
Speaker 1: get there from fifty eight, you're probably using your third
Speaker 1: ground pick. Yeah, exactly. So I'm which, hey, if you
Speaker 1: feel like that's your guy, whatever, I'm just saying, I
Speaker 1: don't think your comp pick is gonna get you there. No,
Speaker 1: it won't. I got a good scout question for y'all
Speaker 1: from Blake uh talking safeties, purely hypothetical. Washington's tailor rap
Speaker 1: Mississippi States Jonathan Abram and Virginia's one Thornhill. Take three
Speaker 1: of the I mean three of the bigger say, I
Speaker 1: mean three, probably the three biggest safeties unless I'm forgetting
Speaker 1: somebody Thompson natterally won. But yeah, okay, okay, three of
Speaker 1: the bigger names. They're all there at fifty eight. Who's
Speaker 1: the best fit for you? This guy says he He says,
Speaker 1: I know which one I like which. Kudos to you,
Speaker 1: Blake for the pun, but I say it's a rap.
Speaker 1: We're just going fun heavy here. I love it. Thank you, Ken.
Speaker 1: Uh No, I mean yeah, give me the best player
Speaker 1: at that point, I mean, why you best? In my opinion,
Speaker 1: raps the best out of those three. Uh. Instinctually, he's
Speaker 1: he has everything you want. He's a good athlete. Uh
Speaker 1: played back up, he could tackle, He's a finisher, exact blitz.
Speaker 1: He's more of that strong than a free But he's
Speaker 1: not like a strictly in the box guy. I mean
Speaker 1: he could move. I mean he had under a four
Speaker 1: short shuttle. Yeah, he can move. So what he brings
Speaker 1: to the field, that instinctual approach. I'm betting on those
Speaker 1: guys the same reason I like the money hooker. Um.
Speaker 1: I like One Thornhill. I don't think he played necessarily
Speaker 1: as fast as he ran, and you know, the jumps
Speaker 1: are great, but I don't know. I'm not all gung
Speaker 1: ho on One Thornhill as some other people. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that to me, the four best safeties in this
Speaker 1: draft or or addaie, Rap, Abram and Thompson. That's what
Speaker 1: I think right now. I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: have Thornhill in there. Take him at fifty eight. I
Speaker 1: think that one of these I think one of these
Speaker 1: other guys are going to be there. I think I
Speaker 1: think I think the guy that's most likely be there.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how much you really like him, Dane.
Speaker 1: It's Thompson from Alabama. He seems like to me that
Speaker 1: he's going to be the last guy that that when
Speaker 1: this thing gets to fifty eight, it might be that
Speaker 1: you might see Rap and Abram Adderly, of course, go
Speaker 1: and now it's like, okay, do you want Thornhill or
Speaker 1: do you want Thompson? And I would take Thompson over
Speaker 1: Thornhill myself, so would I. You don't sound like you'd
Speaker 1: be excited about it, though I would be. You know what,
Speaker 1: I've got a second round grade on Thompson, though my
Speaker 1: safeties go Adderly. You didn't argue with what I said.
Speaker 1: You're just kind of like, h no, but no, but
Speaker 1: if but if, okay, what if? Focus on again on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys? Okay, what fifty eight? What's gonna be the
Speaker 1: best position? What's going to be the most depth at
Speaker 1: a position for them. At fifty eight, you keep talking
Speaker 1: about d tackle. It's so hard when you're talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, fifty eight picks into the draft, because yeah,
Speaker 1: it could be a lot of runner, could be sure
Speaker 1: wide receiver, could be my safeties go Adderley Rap, Abram Gardner, Johnson, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of people like him, Deante Thompson, then Wan Thornhill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you and Kati Kivin Turner on that, Gardner, Johnson, Boat,
Speaker 1: I think and all six of those guys would be
Speaker 1: in the conversation at fifty eight. Now, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: how would you take it ninety if it got there?
Speaker 1: Who you got somebody? You got somebody going to the
Speaker 1: third round? You take Darnell Savage from Maryland last that far?
Speaker 1: I'd love to have him in the late third round
Speaker 1: if I don't think he's gonna last that long. Would
Speaker 1: you take a Gant? He's number nine for me safety?
Speaker 1: So yeah, I got a late third. He just missed
Speaker 1: my top one hundred. Gant is the Marshall kid, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought, awesome play speed, He'll knock you knock your round. Um.
Speaker 1: Can I ask a real quick question of you. What
Speaker 1: do you guys? Just trndmitted TEXTI about the Pratt kid
Speaker 1: from North Carolina state linebacker. Und what did you think
Speaker 1: about him? I like, sorry, David hijacking. He hijacked the
Speaker 1: first segment. He's my number four linebacker man, former safety. Man.
Speaker 1: You didn't like him? Man like man? I love this kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a yeah, second third round grade whole name.
Speaker 1: What's Germaine Prett? Germermaine Pratt? Yeah, I'm sorry I do that.
Speaker 1: He's number sixty seven overall on my board. Bush a
Speaker 1: White Bush Wilson Pratt over the Hawaii kid, Yep, that's mine.
Speaker 1: Toby's number five is number five on my linebacker. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry about that, folks. Yeah, No, Pratt and he worked
Speaker 1: out well around what four or five seven to a tape?
Speaker 1: Really good it is. He's a physical player. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: has range. Yeah, and he's former safety, so you think
Speaker 1: he'll project better and you get better in coverage. So
Speaker 1: I thought that was gonna be a weak group up top.
Speaker 1: It's not. It's not a weak group, you know. I
Speaker 1: think there's some good value there with those guys. With
Speaker 1: those four guys, I'm still pretty happy that Cowboys don't
Speaker 1: have to worry about it. I think you're right table.
Speaker 1: Do you think Pratt can play safety? I mean he's
Speaker 1: two hundred forty pounds maybe. Okay, you sound like my
Speaker 1: Twitter mentions right now, like, oh, move Sean Lee to safety,
Speaker 1: he won't get hurt. Okay, Um, all right, well, okay,
Speaker 1: these work well with the first segment because we're very
Speaker 1: good talking about adjusting values after after the combine. I
Speaker 1: know we've talked about him before, but my buddy Mitch
Speaker 1: wants to know. And I'm curious too, what where's where's
Speaker 1: our buddy little Jordan Humphrey at these days? Because I
Speaker 1: feel like he is. His stocks dropped a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm hearing him on Daoastay visit by the way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would make sense. It wouldn't make sense. Uh he
Speaker 1: does him in a minute. Who you know? When he declared,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, this sounds like a Day two guy.
Speaker 1: But is that is that true? Because I know, yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems like he's like a well when we watch dropping,
Speaker 1: we watched the tip, what do we get? We get
Speaker 1: him like a four or five something like that I
Speaker 1: can't remember. And then the combine was not kind to
Speaker 1: him at all, how about I have a team with
Speaker 1: him and Naa and you know, yeah, just get all
Speaker 1: the slow guys on it and I'll get the guy
Speaker 1: Juwan Williams. I'll get him too. Now the great draft.
Speaker 1: See how you do Humphries. He's basically a tight end.
Speaker 1: That's how he was used and that's how you project
Speaker 1: him in the NFL, that big slot receiver who you
Speaker 1: don't want him lining up in line, but you want
Speaker 1: him to manipulate the middle of the field, go in
Speaker 1: between levels of the defense. And you know he's got
Speaker 1: strong hands, he can help you out on crossers. He's
Speaker 1: a move the chain type of guy. He's he can
Speaker 1: high point, but he's not going to run routes. He's
Speaker 1: not going to you know, create all types of seffy.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of looking at myself like, why do I
Speaker 1: have him in the fourth round? He doesn't He just
Speaker 1: for whatever you and I'm not always right, but you
Speaker 1: just kind of get feels about guys, and he doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like a Cowboys pick to me. No, not again.
Speaker 1: They'd have to shift philosophies and go to that big slot. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think they don't, which I don't know if
Speaker 1: their next slot receiver will be as small as Cole Beasley.
Speaker 1: But you don't see them wanting a six. Three guys
Speaker 1: put Slaton from Auburn my top one hundred. I knew
Speaker 1: you would. Yeah, he's numb, one hundred. He just made
Speaker 1: it one more. Yeah, one morning, we got it. We
Speaker 1: got all. It's the same thing, same question, different guy
Speaker 1: from stad. Uh Stanley Morgan Junior, a name we've heard
Speaker 1: a little bit about it. Boys sniffing, yeah, a little yeah,
Speaker 1: kinda yeah. So tell me something New Orleans kid who
Speaker 1: I think I knew that. Actually he was teammates with
Speaker 1: U Fournette at what St. Augustine saying, Okay, great band,
Speaker 1: by the way, very good band. Um, And you know,
Speaker 1: goes into Nebraska and he's the most productive receiver Nebraska
Speaker 1: has ever produced, which you know, we consider option offense history,
Speaker 1: but playing wide receivers at quarterback all that good type
Speaker 1: of stuff, but still pretty impressive. You know, went over
Speaker 1: a thousand yards this past year. First Nebraska receiver to
Speaker 1: do that. Uh, not going to really the speed, the
Speaker 1: deep speed isn't going a while. You corners gonna to
Speaker 1: sit on the underneath stuff. But he's got strong hands.
Speaker 1: I think that he runs with purpose in his routes
Speaker 1: um and so he's a possession guy. He doesn't have
Speaker 1: that extra gear, There's no question about that when you
Speaker 1: watch forty. Yeah, but that he ran a lot better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because the tape, the tapes. I mean, this guy, he's
Speaker 1: got toughness about him. And I see why the Cowboys
Speaker 1: were looking at him though, And I mean I I
Speaker 1: just kind of like it. Liked him as a blocker.
Speaker 1: You know, there's things that he was doing. He was
Speaker 1: doing a lot of dirty work stuff and I kind
Speaker 1: of appreciate it. And I just kept burying him and
Speaker 1: burying him and burying him with all these other wide receivers.
Speaker 1: And it's a probably a mistake on my part, you
Speaker 1: just saying that because you know the Cowboys are interesting. No, No,
Speaker 1: it's just it's a loaded position. No, it is. It's
Speaker 1: it's a loaded position because I initially thought this kind
Speaker 1: doesn't run well enough, and then he goes and gets
Speaker 1: a decent time, and I'm thinking, but I didn't see
Speaker 1: it on the tape. But then again, Dane's right. You
Speaker 1: watch him, he makes contested catches, he goes and gets
Speaker 1: the football. I mean, you watch the Nebraska quarterback. That
Speaker 1: thing is a disaster. That thing is an absolute disaster
Speaker 1: to have to watch play and he doesn't get chances.
Speaker 1: He doesn't give me chances. The final two lines of
Speaker 1: my report on him one speed player NFL corner to
Speaker 1: be able to sit on underneath rounds because he lacks
Speaker 1: a juice to strike fear into coverage. Overall, Morgan isn't
Speaker 1: a true deep threat with only average on field athleticism,
Speaker 1: but his play strength ball skills can be an asset
Speaker 1: projecting as a bottom of the roster NFL receiver doesn't
Speaker 1: have that extra gear burst. That was my last What
Speaker 1: would you give him? Grade wise? I put him in
Speaker 1: the sixth. I gave him five to six, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with him. Can you do inside and outside? He was?
Speaker 1: He did both on tape, so you know I theoretically, yeah,
Speaker 1: cowboys were looking in for something. They must be looking
Speaker 1: at the toughness aspect of him. Yeah, the toughest in
Speaker 1: the extending for catches. How does he compare to Cedric Wilson.
Speaker 1: Wilson I a little more juice, I think, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think we had Wilson the sixth round two. Yeah, Well
Speaker 1: that's where the cowboys got him exactly exactly all right,
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Speaker 1: cowboy news going on right now that we can report
Speaker 1: about or anything like that. Sounds like the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: finally started dipping their toe into free agency. Just nothing
Speaker 1: that's gonna nothings off Christian, is it Christian? Yeah? Covington, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's intriguing. You look up his resume, sixth round
Speaker 1: pick from twenty fifteen right with Houston. Got a Scotner
Speaker 1: report on him there, just remember him Dane Yeah, no
Speaker 1: from Rice. Uh, He's a guy who I think can
Speaker 1: interchangeably play some one, play some three. Um was he
Speaker 1: a three four? I mean, I gotta look at the
Speaker 1: guy that he played end in Houston, which is a
Speaker 1: three four. He's gonna probably play inside here. Three and
Speaker 1: a half sacks last year, which I'm sure he benefited
Speaker 1: from having Clowney and one, but it helps. Three and
Speaker 1: a half sacks fifteen tackles. Purely a depth signing, but yeah,
Speaker 1: a guy that I'd love to have him as part
Speaker 1: of my rotation. I mean, I'm more than happy to
Speaker 1: let him get some reps at one technique. Like, not
Speaker 1: not a splashy signing, but it sounds solid. It reminds
Speaker 1: me they got Terrell McClean from Houston a few years ago.
Speaker 1: It's very similar to that, and then um, the other one,
Speaker 1: I thought, I saw Tavon Austin. Austin free upped, which, like,
Speaker 1: that's not super surprising. He's been hanging out here all
Speaker 1: off season. He has been He's been here working out
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I've been seen him in the
Speaker 1: cafe tiers. So maybe that's your I'm your or your
Speaker 1: punt return guy. I mean a little juice there. Assume
Speaker 1: he's obviously going to be the favorite to be your
Speaker 1: return man. I'm curious, you know, what, if any steak
Speaker 1: he's going to have in the slot situation, Like, it's
Speaker 1: curious he makes the team? Are the Cowboys? I think
Speaker 1: he would make the team, well depend on who they
Speaker 1: get the slot and stuff like, well, if you get Samuel,
Speaker 1: he could return kicks for you too. I'm I'm nervous
Speaker 1: about the idea of Tavon being the slot receiver, which
Speaker 1: so I want to see what else they do, who
Speaker 1: else they take away? They prepped him that whole week
Speaker 1: for the Giants game, and then Beasley went yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't know, but okay, good to have him
Speaker 1: back as a you know, return guy, gadget guy. Whatever. Okay,
Speaker 1: as we carry on these last fifteen minutes of our programming.
Speaker 1: Here today we do something. I love this. This is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite I love Twitter on the twenty
Speaker 1: because of interaction with the fans, but I also love
Speaker 1: tell me more. I just love I love yeah production,
Speaker 1: not because that's song, but yeah. I like people get
Speaker 1: so excited for this segment. Like people start submitting me
Speaker 1: guys like the day we start and we're not We're
Speaker 1: not there, not there yet, but what keeps submitting Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we'll get to him. So well, So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start off, which this is a Senior Bowl guy.
Speaker 1: My buddy Dan on Twitter has literally been asking me
Speaker 1: about him since January. So, uh, tell me more about
Speaker 1: Michigan State safety carry Willis please. Uh. First off, I
Speaker 1: think he's there's a Baron Jones state future state senator
Speaker 1: type of guy. Oh yeah, he's got the grade off
Speaker 1: the field. So he's the right, right kind of guy.
Speaker 1: He is a right let's go exactly. He's the type
Speaker 1: of guy that's going to be a leader. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be vocal and type of guy when he speaks, everybody
Speaker 1: stops listens, and you know, takes what he has to say, um.
Speaker 1: On the field, I think he's has a very average
Speaker 1: skill set, you know. Yeah, I think in the House
Speaker 1: chamber he's not gonna be asked to turn and backpedal
Speaker 1: like he needs to. I mean he'll he'll go, He'll
Speaker 1: get to the podium and be fine, look, you know,
Speaker 1: look good standing there. I want your politicians to backpedal anyway.
Speaker 1: They don't want to backpedal. It takes it takes this
Speaker 1: guy some time to turn. And I don't think he
Speaker 1: has the range. No, I worry about his range. I
Speaker 1: do worry about his ability to close. It is something.
Speaker 1: I mean I remember watching some players thinking Northwestern ball
Speaker 1: going down the field and it was like he was
Speaker 1: running in mud and I just kind of went, ah, please,
Speaker 1: I don't need my safety doing that. But yeah, he's
Speaker 1: Dane's absolutely right about the off the field stuff. Tremendous guy.
Speaker 1: But I just do not see a guy that's star. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think. But the one thing is I will
Speaker 1: give him credit for being a tackler. The guy will
Speaker 1: wrap up and tackle that's in at four or five
Speaker 1: five speed. You think, okay, special teams back up like
Speaker 1: you could do a lot worse than this. Guy right right,
Speaker 1: another backlogged one. We all know our friend Bobby Belt.
Speaker 1: He love Bobby. He's been beating me down about Michael
Speaker 1: Dogby out of temple for weeks, so tell me more
Speaker 1: about him too. One of the top uh combine snubs
Speaker 1: this year. It's amazing watching the tape. That guy did
Speaker 1: not get invited the combine. Yeah, it's really confusing because
Speaker 1: he's Yeah, the tapes impressive and this past year is productive.
Speaker 1: He had twelve and a half tackles for the last
Speaker 1: lost seven sacks. Uh. You love just the motor. He
Speaker 1: doesn't ever stop. No, it doesn't stop. And look technique wise,
Speaker 1: he's all over the place. His hands are very aggressive,
Speaker 1: very active, but they're all over the place. He tries,
Speaker 1: he tries to use this. I mean it's it's like
Speaker 1: watching a windmill. It's you know, it's this his pads
Speaker 1: they go upright up right. Yeah, you know. So the
Speaker 1: technique needs a lot of work, but the motor doesn't quit.
Speaker 1: He has some pop in his upper body. Uh, quick feet,
Speaker 1: he can cross the face of blockers and make plays
Speaker 1: in the backfield range. Yeah, he's the type of player,
Speaker 1: by the way, right when you're looking to round out
Speaker 1: fission flex absolutely because he did. He played defensive He
Speaker 1: was a linebacker h school, moved to defensive end, played
Speaker 1: some defensive tackle. He was actually there starting nose tackle
Speaker 1: at Temple, but played any everywhere from the one to
Speaker 1: the five. He's a guy that if I'm looking a
Speaker 1: round out my defensive line depth chart, but he's a
Speaker 1: guy to be targeting fifth, sixth round and yeah, feel good.
Speaker 1: He's kind of absolutely right the whole thing with it.
Speaker 1: I like what I'm hearing here, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: this guy though it's it's one of those things that
Speaker 1: I literally liked how he can redirect. I mean, I
Speaker 1: saw a guy that like, Okay, it's over here, now
Speaker 1: it's over here. I mean he was you see a
Speaker 1: guy with some athletic ability. And again for him not
Speaker 1: to go to the the combine, that's a big miss by
Speaker 1: the guys putting that list together. Like this kid's gonna
Speaker 1: get drafted and he's and like Dane says, you see
Speaker 1: five six kind of there. That's what I gave him.
Speaker 1: But I think maybe I have a five on him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought he was more of a five myself, is
Speaker 1: what I thought. But I have a flat five on him. No,
Speaker 1: no problem with this guy. I've made it pretty clear
Speaker 1: that I don't want to spend a lofty pick on
Speaker 1: a tight end, but maybe a down the line guy
Speaker 1: might be a good thing for this team. So tell
Speaker 1: me more about Washington's Drew sample. So this guy, to me,
Speaker 1: he he should be considered. You know, we're not. We're
Speaker 1: not concerning him high enough. Is that what you're saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's a top one hundred twenty one player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not giving him his just due. Well, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of him as a Day three guy. Well, which that's
Speaker 1: still day Yeah, he probably is a Day three guy.
Speaker 1: It'd be a little surprised. But I mean you think
Speaker 1: like a Will Disiley. He's better and Will Disiley and
Speaker 1: Disley was a fourth round pick last year. You got
Speaker 1: better than did ye? Thank you for acknowledging he's better
Speaker 1: than Brian's crush of all crushes, Will Disley, who was
Speaker 1: on his way to a great rookie season was before
Speaker 1: we got hurt. He got hurt at one point. This
Speaker 1: guy's at one point I could. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I could do it anymore, but at one point
Speaker 1: I could. I would pay good money to see you,
Speaker 1: like actually get to make these calls both of y'all.
Speaker 1: That'd be fun and that was fun in Philadelphia. Why
Speaker 1: this guy's better than Disley? Yeah, and I read up
Speaker 1: on him a little bit, and no, this guy is
Speaker 1: better than Disley. He is absolutely better than the problem
Speaker 1: with him was, you're like a sample size. We didn't
Speaker 1: have it he I mean he had. He had single
Speaker 1: digit catches every year up until his senior year. Uh,
Speaker 1: finally got a chance to be a little bit more
Speaker 1: and he took advantage in twenty five catches. Um. So
Speaker 1: he's a guy that he's already married. You know, he's
Speaker 1: got a professional mindset. He's gonna give you, uh, really
Speaker 1: consistent reps as a blocker. He's not going to let
Speaker 1: you down as a pass catcher. Needs to get better
Speaker 1: with his routes and just being more consistent. But he's
Speaker 1: shown me enough on tape where I think he can
Speaker 1: do it. So Drew sample, If I'm looking for a
Speaker 1: tight end in the fourth round, he'd be on my shortlist. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know, I will say this guy does play
Speaker 1: in line like Will Disley did. He's I think he's
Speaker 1: a little bit better. I think where Disley had him
Speaker 1: came to blocking. I think Disley was a little bit
Speaker 1: better handling those down linemen. He's not as powerful, He's
Speaker 1: not a but the but the routes that they run,
Speaker 1: you know, it's as crazy underneath stuff they asked him
Speaker 1: to do. Do you talk about the sample size and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But this guy, I when when you
Speaker 1: when you put on the tape, he does a good
Speaker 1: job of handling those like linebackers and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So I would not I would not be opposed to
Speaker 1: having this guy in your football. So like, where do
Speaker 1: you your tight ends? Do you have him? Foster Moreau
Speaker 1: LSU tight end? I like Foster Moreau just because he's
Speaker 1: an LSU. So you have who do you have hire,
Speaker 1: Sample or Moreau? I would have sample Hire Okay. I
Speaker 1: actually have Raymond from Utah State above him is what
Speaker 1: I have. So I had those guys in the fourth round,
Speaker 1: Raymond Sample, Cadence Smith from Stanford, and then I like
Speaker 1: the Maze from Notre Dame Maze may oh Mac Elize Mac?
Speaker 1: Is it mac is how you say it? Yea? His
Speaker 1: last name is Mac. His first name is Elize. Okay,
Speaker 1: I messed it up. I'm my partner. But Mac is
Speaker 1: this last name? Okay, Notre Dame. I have those guys
Speaker 1: all in that range right there. My apologies there, Um,
Speaker 1: you already alluded to it. Start to hear the whispers
Speaker 1: about Dallas day, Dallas's rife with football talent. LL me
Speaker 1: more about Divine Ozigbo, the running back out of Nebraska,
Speaker 1: another combined snubbs Tales from Saxy Tech. Say absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know ten miles east of here. It's not
Speaker 1: too far, he was, Is he too SAXI to come here?
Speaker 1: Oh god, we're shows off the rails now yeah? Uh
Speaker 1: he's yeah. Like you said, he's going to be one
Speaker 1: of the first Combine snubs to be drafted, probably in
Speaker 1: the mid rounds Um, he really had that senior year
Speaker 1: that you were hoping for. Didn't have the production his
Speaker 1: first three years, then his senior year goes over a
Speaker 1: thousand yards. He averaged seven yards of carry. Uh. He's
Speaker 1: just He's a straight lionish guy a little bit, but
Speaker 1: he runs with pop. Uh. He has some a looseness
Speaker 1: in his lower body where he can swerve away from uh,
Speaker 1: from defenders. He's What I really like about him is
Speaker 1: toughness and pass pro When he was given a chance
Speaker 1: to be a receiver at the backfield, he took advantage
Speaker 1: of it. He caught the football. So he's just a physical,
Speaker 1: hard charging back. And if I'm looking for a running
Speaker 1: back in day three, he's he'd be on my shortlist first.
Speaker 1: This guy's gets him complete back to him, Dan Dane
Speaker 1: has got him right. And at five eleven two twenty seven,
Speaker 1: you know, four or five ages. Someone's gonna fall in
Speaker 1: love with this guy because he's right about the toughness
Speaker 1: on the blitz pick up. That's one of the first
Speaker 1: things you notice about how he'll step up and hit,
Speaker 1: which is something you usually complain about when you're talking
Speaker 1: about college running. No, this guy can block. I think
Speaker 1: he's a little bit of a straight line runner. Though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't see I don't see but much wiggle with him.
Speaker 1: But I do see a tough guy. I do see
Speaker 1: a guy that when they put him in the flat
Speaker 1: that catch the ball and he can adjust they put
Speaker 1: him why he wheels. Yeah, he wins the absolutely. They
Speaker 1: did other games. I think it was Michigan. I was watching.
Speaker 1: They did a wheel route and got him open. I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy, he's got some complete back to him. And
Speaker 1: so if you're looking for that guy that can blitz,
Speaker 1: pick up, catch the football and run it when they
Speaker 1: hand it to him, this guy's your guy, right When
Speaker 1: can I get him? I had him in I had
Speaker 1: him in the fifth Day three. Yeah, that sounds about right.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's there's a lot of really good backs
Speaker 1: and it's hard to it's hard to jump backs with
Speaker 1: this guy. And I know I talked greatly about him.
Speaker 1: But if you if you're thinking about it, guy, you're thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy is probably a seventh round or undrafted free
Speaker 1: agent guy whatever. Nah, not this guy. This guy's got
Speaker 1: some legitimate skill to himself. The fact that he can pass,
Speaker 1: protecting and catch the ball. That's what's going to separate
Speaker 1: him from maybe a right Quall Armstead from Temple or
Speaker 1: Jordan's Scarlett from Florida some of these other guys on
Speaker 1: day three. So as we stack these Day three running backs,
Speaker 1: which I'm still working through myself, Um, you know, I
Speaker 1: think Ozigbo is gonna be a guy we like more
Speaker 1: and more, which I don't want to doubt y'all's evaluations.
Speaker 1: But this goes back to the first segment, though, who's
Speaker 1: the who's the kid? Um, Central Michigan running back wound
Speaker 1: up in Seattle. Uh, yeah, it was at Michigan, has
Speaker 1: the character stuff cowboys tried to get him. Why can't
Speaker 1: I remember this guy's name? Damn it. I know it's
Speaker 1: gonna bother me too. Um, you're asking a fifty five
Speaker 1: year old guy to remember my name? I know, I
Speaker 1: know Thomas Rawls. Um, yeah, they went through. All I'm
Speaker 1: saying is again, these guys fall for whatever reason. There's
Speaker 1: only two hundred and fifty six picks and something to
Speaker 1: keep in mind. He's gonna be at Dallas day. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be a guy they have familiarity with. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, just saying maybe maybe that's a guy you're
Speaker 1: on the phone with on day three, like, hey, you
Speaker 1: got another guy for us day. I saved the Brugler
Speaker 1: special for last Uh what we we did? Four Power
Speaker 1: five guys and one and Temple is a very good
Speaker 1: non Power five program. This is a school that I
Speaker 1: didn't even know how to football team. Oh god, I know,
Speaker 1: I know for a fact. I know for a fact
Speaker 1: that Brian hasn't seen him. Brian actually said, I I
Speaker 1: can't find tape on this guy. No, No, I found tape.
Speaker 1: You just didn't have time to watch. I didn't have
Speaker 1: time to really watch it. Dane, if you can tell
Speaker 1: me more about Brodie Oliver wide receiver from the Colorado
Speaker 1: School of Mine. Yes, are you shout out? Shout out
Speaker 1: to Brian for the suggestion. Yeah, sixty three, about two
Speaker 1: hundred ten pounds. He's he's a D two guy. Uh.
Speaker 1: The reason I do know him fairly well, it is
Speaker 1: because he's a shrine guy. Because you're sick that Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's my number the Colorado School of mines great school,
Speaker 1: my number four small school wide receiver. Okay, he's got
Speaker 1: this thing broken down into the small school wide receiver.
Speaker 1: The top three, you're the top three Keylands from UC Davis.
Speaker 1: Know that name? Jazz Ferguson from Northwestern State, Yeah, north
Speaker 1: Jaalen's little brother. Yeah, former LSU receiver. Oh yeah, that
Speaker 1: actually sounds familiar. Kelvin McKnight from Samford number three, Peter
Speaker 1: works and nephew. And then Brodie Oliver fourth. Who you
Speaker 1: know he's in that seventh round PFA range. Uh. Really
Speaker 1: productive guy. He had over four thousand yards receiving. Uh,
Speaker 1: big body, he's you like his frame. You like his
Speaker 1: ability to catch outside his frame? Uh? Needs to. He's
Speaker 1: not gonna beat you with speed, but he does show
Speaker 1: some detailed focus to his routes at the stem, his
Speaker 1: ability out of his brakes. Uh, I can't. He's a
Speaker 1: guy that you know, who's my guy from Penn last
Speaker 1: year that like Justin Watson. Yeah, he's not gonna run
Speaker 1: as fast as Watson, but I think they're similar players
Speaker 1: in ways. I'll tell you what I did before makes
Speaker 1: three You said six three two? Await I saw just
Speaker 1: a glimpse of this guy. Right. He plays in the slot.
Speaker 1: He's a slot player. He's a big slot player. Was
Speaker 1: there a field? Was there a bounce house? In the
Speaker 1: background of the tape. We were not watching tape of Hobert?
Speaker 1: Now sorry, we did we watch tape of We watched
Speaker 1: tape of Alderson brought us and and Dane made fun.
Speaker 1: He goes, I didn't think that's a real school. Alderson
Speaker 1: brought us. They came backfiring and the like, they're five
Speaker 1: people in the stands. We're gonna start cheating here. Get ready,
Speaker 1: all right, so I can Brodie Oliver big slot I'm in.
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued. No, but yeah, Carl Ross school of minds,
Speaker 1: he'll end up with the Denver Broncos probably, Yeah, Philip lindsay, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: they'll they'll end up. Yeah, he'll end up. He'll end
Speaker 1: up someone at the at the end of the draft,
Speaker 1: we're all laughing and we'll say, okay, where did Brodie
Speaker 1: Oliver go? Oh he end up with the Denver Broncos. Hey.
Speaker 1: By the way, all right, real quick before we go,
Speaker 1: you know, we like I always like to do this.
Speaker 1: Predict right now who the Cowboys are gonna take at
Speaker 1: fifty eight. Just predict if you know me, I like
Speaker 1: to throw. I mean that I threw the Layton Vandera
Speaker 1: sho out there in light of the in light of
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas signing in Baltimore. And you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: this is just I got my guy. You don't want
Speaker 1: to I bet it will be I don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: if I had to get like Jonathan Abram, fine, safe
Speaker 1: Jonathan or maybe Taylor Rap one of those guys. So
Speaker 1: you're going one of the safeties. Yeah, do you have
Speaker 1: a guy I'll go with the defense tackle. Um, let's
Speaker 1: go run. You're going I'll go run. Can I see
Speaker 1: the list of thirty visitors first, like, can I at
Speaker 1: least I've just you know me, Like we were talking
Speaker 1: about Vanderesh and I just said, they're gonna draft I was,
Speaker 1: I was running yesterday. I'm like, I'm gonna do this
Speaker 1: these guys. They're gonna take Zach Allen at fifty eight
Speaker 1: Boston College defensive end. I could see that. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what. They're gonna work him at defensive end. They're
Speaker 1: gonna work him with a defensive tackle. He's Tyron Crawford ish. Yes,
Speaker 1: I Mark, this is my latent Vanderesh moment. So we
Speaker 1: all think defense. We all think defense. I can't get
Speaker 1: I can't get any love for Deebo Samuel Well maybe
Speaker 1: you will, okay, but that's my guy. All right. Hey,
Speaker 1: that is all the time we have for the day.
Speaker 1: Thanks everybody out there for joining us. I want to
Speaker 1: thank my scouting buddies, Dane Burglar, David Hellmann. Here's the
Speaker 1: executive producing UH. Next week will once again closer to
Speaker 1: our date in Tennessee for the NFL Draft. It's one
Speaker 1: hundredth season of the National Football League and we'll make
Speaker 1: sure you have everything covered for you from the draft.
Speaker 1: From that perspective, So you guys, take care, have a
Speaker 1: great week, and keep invest sigating all that tape. Take care,
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