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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hey, Lost Hills listeners, it's Dana. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: Restaurant in Malibu. It's perched on the rocks right above

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Speaker 1: the ocean. Out front is a giant statue of legendary

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Speaker 1: Hawaiian surfer and swimmer Duke Kahanamoku, who helped introduce surfing

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Speaker 1: to California in the early part of the twentieth century.

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Speaker 1: Where Gidget, the real Gidget works.

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Speaker 2: Hey, we're here to interview Kathy Kathy khonor.

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Speaker 3: She's a hostess.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Gidget.

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Speaker 3: Cool.

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Speaker 1: Thanks. Gidget's real name is Kathy Kohener Zuckerman. The summer

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Speaker 1: of nineteen fifty six, when she was fifteen, she hung

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Speaker 1: out at the beach in Malibu. She befriended Mickey, Dora

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Speaker 1: and Tube Steak, who was later given the name The

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Speaker 1: she learned to surf, and her stories became the basis

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Speaker 1: for the original Gidget, a novel written by Frederick Khoner

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Speaker 1: her Dad. It's hard to overstate the cultural impact of Gidget.

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Speaker 1: When the book was released in nineteen fifty seven, it

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Speaker 1: on the Road. It went on to sell how a

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty nine, Gidget was adapted for film with Sondra

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Speaker 4: What in the world is a Gidget? It's a girl,

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Speaker 4: a cuddling, befuddling teen who set out to find her

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Speaker 4: beach combers with a single thought to enjoy life and

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Speaker 4: love without working. Meet Kahuna Leaves.

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Speaker 1: Sequels follow Gidget goes to Hawaiian, Gidget goes to Rome,

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Speaker 1: Gidget grows up, Gidget gets married, Gidgets Summer Reunion. It

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Speaker 1: was also a TV show starring a then unknown Sally

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Speaker 1: Field as Gidget. Today, Kathy works as a kind of

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Speaker 1: informal celebrity host at Duke's. She seats Steiner's, chats with them,

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Speaker 1: and signs copies of the Gidget novel. Around the corner

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Speaker 1: from reception, there's a wall with some old photos of Kathy,

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Speaker 1: including one of her with Mickey Dora.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, look at this.

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Speaker 1: That's Kathy and Mickey.

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Speaker 2: There's sort of a pack of dudes in the background.

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Speaker 2: Mickey Dora says ruined Malibu. She's eighty two and vibrant,

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Speaker 3: I just do high finance here because somebody made me

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Speaker 3: a couple of really great photos of me, went at

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Speaker 1: Kathy, says she sometimes sells photos of herself as a

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Speaker 3: It just always hustling. No, I love mine. Yes, you know.

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Speaker 3: So that's the shack. That's amazing. That's the original shock.

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Speaker 3: You know, the board the big Mahuna lived. I mean

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Speaker 3: that's he was called Khuna, by the way, but he

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Speaker 1: Of the check Kathy. Shift is over and the plan

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we'll let you home. Thank you. I have

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Speaker 1: As we head out of Malibu on Pacific Coast Highway,

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Speaker 3: When you're in.

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Speaker 1: Surfing, Kathy says, is completely different now from when she

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Speaker 3: When I was surfing, there were no contests, no surf music,

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Speaker 1: With the phenomenal success at Gidget, the weird little boho

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Speaker 1: Lost Hills Episode three, Gidget Goes to Hollywood, Part one.

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Speaker 3: I believe Gidget was the trailblazer.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Gidget ushered in the era of surfing as a

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Speaker 5: Thrill is surfboarding.

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Speaker 3: The art of surfboarding is part of a Hawaiian culture,

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Speaker 3: surf movies, and then you got beach blanket bingo, Ride

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Speaker 3: the Wild surf. You know Elvis Presley movieses b a

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Speaker 3: net Funicello because people say, oh, you're a net Funicello, Like, no.

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Speaker 6: Take a look at those waves out there.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know there's nothing out there, but you see

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Speaker 4: Ah, this is the life.

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Speaker 6: How did he son the serf?

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Speaker 1: This is it surf music. It's the beach boys.

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Speaker 7: Let's surfing now.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's learning now surf competitions and a good cutback that

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Speaker 3: time by Donald Takeyama surf brands. There was no leashes,

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Speaker 5: Looking for a seven Conday.

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Speaker 1: Before Gidget, there was just the waves and the beach

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Speaker 8: I mean, even if you were a surfer, your parents

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Speaker 8: So we were kind of outcast, would be the best

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Speaker 1: This is Henry Ford, another early surfer who became a

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Speaker 8: You probably weren't working as much as other people because

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Speaker 1: Malibu has a number of surf spots, but when people

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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful wave that peals slowly to the right

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Speaker 1: Surfers call it the machine or the conveyor belt. That

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Speaker 1: Years, Malibu was secluded, a private paradise. There were movie

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Speaker 8: You know, there were a few movie stars that would

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Speaker 10: It was you know these characters, you know, they're they

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Speaker 10: They once they entered the Malibu Beach, it was their domain.

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Speaker 1: The characters at Malibu were basically beatnicks and dropouts. Some

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Speaker 1: built himself a shack out of palm fronds, and that's

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Speaker 1: where Kathy Kohner, a fifteen year old whose parents had

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Speaker 1: Kathy's house. It's a wooden ranch house red with white

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Speaker 1: girl lives here with her big kahuna.

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Speaker 3: I love your house.

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Speaker 2: What year is it?

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Speaker 3: I love my house too. It's a fifteenth. It's so great.

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Speaker 2: You don't see too many houses that our original watch

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Speaker 3: It's got a very.

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Speaker 1: Kathy leads me into a back bedroom, which looks like

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Speaker 3: So these are the truths, Dana, These are my diary pages.

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Speaker 1: I just love the way they look. To My Wonderful

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Speaker 3: I have written down in the diary the first day

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Speaker 3: Of that June twenty fourth, nineteen fifty six, Sunday, Dear Diary,

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Speaker 1: Kathy lived about fifteen miles away in Brentwood, but her

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Speaker 3: So there was a group of guys, you know, from

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Speaker 3: the Kahuna, quick Higgye. Frank Higginson was called quick Kigge. Well,

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Speaker 1: The scene at the pit could be intimidating. Here's Danny

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Speaker 10: In fact, he would say in Malibu on the beach,

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Speaker 1: This was way before contests and rankings, but no one

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Speaker 10: You know, he was king of the water, you know.

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Speaker 10: People would notice that you just rode that wave so well.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Kathy noticed Mickey. Everyone did you know?

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Speaker 3: He was dark and dark skin, dark hair, white trunks.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if anybody's God, my name is Micky Tora.

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Speaker 1: Mickey makes frequent cameos in Kathy's diaries.

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Speaker 3: Jazzed on Mickey. He didn't kiss me though. We drove

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Speaker 3: So Mickey would come over to the house and play

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Speaker 1: Mammoth Mountain was only a few hundred miles north in

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Speaker 3: Mickey was a good skier, so Mickey would take me,

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Speaker 1: Kathy lived a safe, comfortable, conventional life, but she hadn't

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Speaker 3: I did not like going to school, so I didn't

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Speaker 3: I think that the pinnacle was the guy that lived

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Speaker 1: Kathy's father, Frederick Kohner, was a screenwriter.

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Speaker 3: So I remember my dad would pick me up in

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Speaker 1: Kathy's memories of those days in Malibu are now part

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Speaker 8: Please, no tourist, Kahuna, Hey Francis, no tour She's got

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Speaker 9: That gidget.

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Speaker 3: Gidget. Oh wait, wait a minute, fellas, look look me

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Speaker 5: Huh, Well, you see it's right there through osmos.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, girl, and midget a Gidget.

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Speaker 1: That's a scene from the original nineteen fifty nine Gidget movie.

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Speaker 1: It captures the teasing Kathy endured, the playful side of

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Speaker 1: Through Gidget, she gets to relive the thrills of her

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Speaker 3: One entry captures the language and the world of Malibu.

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Speaker 3: This is from Gidget's diary the Boo Malibu gets good

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Speaker 3: once a summer, and it got good. It got bitchin. Brother,

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Speaker 3: Was I ever jazzed? I was riding four footers and

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Speaker 3: No kooks were out in the water, and it was

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Speaker 3: All the kooks stayed out of the water while the

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Speaker 3: I really had a ball and looked better. I still

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Speaker 1: The Gidget story is one of triumph. A bubbly tomboy

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Speaker 3: wasn't right away. Oh she's so cute, you know, she

433
00:26:50,396 --> 00:26:54,356
Speaker 3: can serve. No, I had to surf. I had to prove.

434
00:26:54,676 --> 00:26:57,556
Speaker 3: And I and one of those photo that I think

435
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Speaker 3: you saw me surfing, a really good one where I'm

436
00:26:59,236 --> 00:27:04,236
Speaker 3: wearing trunks. Now those trunks, I'm aware that I wanted

437
00:27:04,276 --> 00:27:08,476
Speaker 3: to look like a boy. I wanted surf trunks. You

438
00:27:08,476 --> 00:27:13,556
Speaker 3: couldn't find surf trunks at Henshe's department store, Pennies Departments,

439
00:27:13,676 --> 00:27:16,836
Speaker 3: or Miss California or whoever made bathing suits at the time.

440
00:27:17,996 --> 00:27:20,436
Speaker 1: The guys did not accept her right away.

441
00:27:21,476 --> 00:27:23,756
Speaker 3: Well, they did haze me a bit. You know, they

442
00:27:23,796 --> 00:27:27,036
Speaker 3: gave me a rough time. You know. Sometimes they disconnected

443
00:27:27,036 --> 00:27:29,316
Speaker 3: the distributor to my car so I couldn't go home.

444
00:27:29,716 --> 00:27:32,276
Speaker 3: You know, they threw a pineapple in my face. Said,

445
00:27:32,316 --> 00:27:34,036
Speaker 3: you know, you're bothering me. You're still breathing.

446
00:27:35,076 --> 00:27:38,956
Speaker 1: As she revisits the diaries, she's confronted with the harshness

447
00:27:38,956 --> 00:27:42,956
Speaker 1: of this treatment. Her collaborator, Ken, who's helping her transcribe

448
00:27:42,956 --> 00:27:46,036
Speaker 1: the pages, is sometimes shocked by what he reads.

449
00:27:47,036 --> 00:27:48,756
Speaker 3: Ken would look at the diary pages and said, oh

450
00:27:48,756 --> 00:27:50,956
Speaker 3: my god, they threw a pineapple in your face and

451
00:27:50,996 --> 00:27:52,596
Speaker 3: you just like, h you know whatever.

452
00:27:54,836 --> 00:28:00,196
Speaker 1: Mickey Dora deeply resented Gidget, Gidget the book, Gidget, the

453
00:28:00,196 --> 00:28:04,996
Speaker 1: movie franchise, Gidget, the TV show, Gidget, the cultural juggernaut.

454
00:28:05,916 --> 00:28:08,436
Speaker 1: He referred to the period around when the first movie

455
00:28:08,476 --> 00:28:12,556
Speaker 1: came out in nineteen fifty nine as the dry Rot Era.

456
00:28:14,316 --> 00:28:17,316
Speaker 1: He was not too charitable about Gidget the person either,

457
00:28:18,236 --> 00:28:20,236
Speaker 1: never mind that he took her to Mammoth or played

458
00:28:20,276 --> 00:28:22,836
Speaker 1: ping pong at her house. This is what he wrote

459
00:28:22,836 --> 00:28:26,596
Speaker 1: to a journalist who was working on a story about Kathy. Quote.

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00:28:27,076 --> 00:28:30,116
Speaker 1: I only mumbled a few unpleasantries to her a couple

461
00:28:30,196 --> 00:28:33,836
Speaker 1: of times. She was a hairy little thing for her age.

462
00:28:34,156 --> 00:28:37,396
Speaker 1: She asked me some asinine question. I told her to

463
00:28:37,476 --> 00:28:45,076
Speaker 1: fuck off. Unquote. Mickey's campaign against the Gidget takeover of

464
00:28:45,116 --> 00:28:49,596
Speaker 1: Malibu is pretty absurd because he was in the movie.

465
00:28:50,916 --> 00:28:54,236
Speaker 1: When Hollywood producers showed up in Malibu looking to cast

466
00:28:54,316 --> 00:28:57,876
Speaker 1: real surfers for the first Gidget movie. Mickey was hired

467
00:28:57,916 --> 00:29:00,716
Speaker 1: to be the stunt double for James Darren, who played

468
00:29:00,716 --> 00:29:05,436
Speaker 1: Gidget's love interest Moondoggie. But you really wouldn't know that

469
00:29:05,556 --> 00:29:09,276
Speaker 1: from the way he talked. A few months ago, I

470
00:29:09,316 --> 00:29:12,556
Speaker 1: got a tape of Mickey Dora, recorded two years before

471
00:29:12,596 --> 00:29:16,156
Speaker 1: his death. It's never been heard before, and I'll play

472
00:29:16,156 --> 00:29:19,636
Speaker 1: more of it later, but for now, notice how worked

473
00:29:19,716 --> 00:29:23,836
Speaker 1: up Mickey still is about Gidget forty years after the fact.

474
00:29:25,036 --> 00:29:27,876
Speaker 1: He's the second voice.

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Speaker 7: I've never even saw that saw.

476
00:29:28,876 --> 00:29:29,196
Speaker 5: Did it?

477
00:29:29,876 --> 00:29:30,876
Speaker 7: Yeah?

478
00:29:31,036 --> 00:29:31,916
Speaker 4: Is it bad shit?

479
00:29:32,316 --> 00:29:34,956
Speaker 7: Is it disaster? It's a new erything.

480
00:29:35,636 --> 00:29:40,316
Speaker 6: And everyone holds me responsible when people will connect me somehow,

481
00:29:41,756 --> 00:29:43,516
Speaker 6: So all lies. I had nothing to do with these people.

482
00:29:45,876 --> 00:29:49,036
Speaker 6: They all hated me. Unbelievable. I only rode waves. And

483
00:29:49,076 --> 00:29:53,636
Speaker 6: now that's the longing you did. It's hard hard to believe.

484
00:29:53,716 --> 00:29:57,116
Speaker 6: So I get all this propaganda, bad press.

485
00:29:55,516 --> 00:29:57,676
Speaker 7: And Jesus Christ.

486
00:30:00,836 --> 00:30:04,436
Speaker 1: Do you remember some of your friends, including Mickey and

487
00:30:04,476 --> 00:30:07,116
Speaker 1: some others, being there and working as extras.

488
00:30:07,436 --> 00:30:10,676
Speaker 3: Mickey was the extra. He served for James darn He

489
00:30:10,756 --> 00:30:14,436
Speaker 3: had great hand gestures. People mimicked him. People mimicked him

490
00:30:14,476 --> 00:30:17,716
Speaker 3: a lot. And I didn't know much about what happened

491
00:30:17,756 --> 00:30:20,396
Speaker 3: to Mickey after I left Malibu, because you know, we

492
00:30:20,436 --> 00:30:21,556
Speaker 3: got it. He's a bad boy.

493
00:30:22,636 --> 00:30:25,116
Speaker 1: Kathy remembers one thing Mickey used to say to her

494
00:30:25,316 --> 00:30:28,876
Speaker 1: all the time, the classic warning from a local to

495
00:30:28,956 --> 00:30:31,396
Speaker 1: a kook to stay off his wave.

496
00:30:32,396 --> 00:30:34,756
Speaker 3: Don't drop in on me, Gidget.

497
00:30:35,276 --> 00:30:36,356
Speaker 1: Don't drop in on me.

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00:30:37,756 --> 00:30:39,436
Speaker 3: I won't make it. I won't, I promise.

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Speaker 1: Kathy went to college in Oregon, and when she came

500
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Speaker 1: back to Malibu a year after the movie came out,

501
00:30:47,436 --> 00:30:50,556
Speaker 1: it was a different place when you.

502
00:30:50,556 --> 00:30:56,276
Speaker 3: Came back here. Had Malibu already changed? Yes, when I

503
00:30:56,436 --> 00:31:01,316
Speaker 3: came back, Malibu had changed. Malibu was crowded.

504
00:31:02,516 --> 00:31:07,036
Speaker 1: At Malibu, the Gidget effect was palpable. All of a sudden,

505
00:31:07,156 --> 00:31:10,236
Speaker 1: there were hundreds of non surfers in the water trying

506
00:31:10,276 --> 00:31:16,116
Speaker 1: to surf, oblivious of what they were jumping into. Gidget

507
00:31:16,156 --> 00:31:20,836
Speaker 1: had definitely dropped in on Mickey metaphorically, and an army

508
00:31:20,956 --> 00:31:26,076
Speaker 1: of wannabe gidgets were doing it literally. To Malibu locals,

509
00:31:26,356 --> 00:31:29,516
Speaker 1: surfing was a rite of passage, not a fad you

510
00:31:29,516 --> 00:31:33,876
Speaker 1: picked up from watching a movie. Henry Ford, the early

511
00:31:33,916 --> 00:31:34,836
Speaker 1: Malibu lifeguard.

512
00:31:35,876 --> 00:31:40,556
Speaker 8: You had to kind of fit into that waterman mentality.

513
00:31:40,596 --> 00:31:43,596
Speaker 8: You had to be able to swim, dive, how to

514
00:31:43,636 --> 00:31:47,676
Speaker 8: read the water, read the ocean. Watermen were very important,

515
00:31:47,676 --> 00:31:51,156
Speaker 8: and that's I think the early surfers would be termed watermen.

516
00:31:52,356 --> 00:31:55,076
Speaker 1: There was a culture clash, Henry says, between those he

517
00:31:55,156 --> 00:31:58,836
Speaker 1: calls the pure surfers and the cum latelies who had

518
00:31:58,996 --> 00:32:00,876
Speaker 1: essentially been inspired by Gidget.

519
00:32:02,036 --> 00:32:03,516
Speaker 3: What's the pure surfer?

520
00:32:04,836 --> 00:32:08,116
Speaker 8: The guy who's committed to it. Whether he works or not,

521
00:32:08,276 --> 00:32:10,996
Speaker 8: is not that important. It's just the fact the commitment

522
00:32:11,076 --> 00:32:14,836
Speaker 8: to it, commitment to it being a discipline, something that

523
00:32:14,876 --> 00:32:19,076
Speaker 8: you believe in, something that you love, and you've got

524
00:32:19,116 --> 00:32:22,476
Speaker 8: to figure that on some days, you're paddling out the

525
00:32:22,556 --> 00:32:26,436
Speaker 8: water's fifty five degrees, maybe fifty eight degrees. You don't

526
00:32:26,476 --> 00:32:28,876
Speaker 8: have a wet suit, you don't have a leash, you

527
00:32:28,916 --> 00:32:31,836
Speaker 8: have one hundred and twenty pound board, and you love

528
00:32:31,836 --> 00:32:34,476
Speaker 8: it and you cannot get enough of it.

529
00:32:35,516 --> 00:32:38,716
Speaker 1: Malibu was being invaded by outsiders.

530
00:32:38,916 --> 00:32:41,476
Speaker 8: When these other kids came over that just showed up

531
00:32:41,516 --> 00:32:44,076
Speaker 8: in were in everybody's way. That made it difficult.

532
00:32:45,076 --> 00:32:47,436
Speaker 1: Henry was hired to work at Malibu right when the

533
00:32:47,436 --> 00:32:51,156
Speaker 1: crowds were getting out of control. Because the crowds were

534
00:32:51,156 --> 00:32:52,476
Speaker 1: getting out of control.

535
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Speaker 9: You had to have somebody there to help control it.

536
00:32:55,196 --> 00:32:58,476
Speaker 8: Because now what was happening where people who were trying

537
00:32:58,516 --> 00:33:01,636
Speaker 8: to learn how to surf join into these people who

538
00:33:01,716 --> 00:33:02,436
Speaker 8: have made this.

539
00:33:02,356 --> 00:33:05,316
Speaker 9: Their lifestyle or developed their own culture.

540
00:33:06,076 --> 00:33:09,276
Speaker 8: So these people that were coming in after seeing each

541
00:33:09,356 --> 00:33:11,516
Speaker 8: Bingo party, Gidget the.

542
00:33:11,396 --> 00:33:16,836
Speaker 1: Movie, these people are what surfers call kooks. We've talked

543
00:33:16,836 --> 00:33:20,116
Speaker 1: about this word. I asked Henry to give me his definition.

544
00:33:21,036 --> 00:33:24,076
Speaker 9: It would be someone who just learning how to surf.

545
00:33:24,676 --> 00:33:28,676
Speaker 8: And they called them cowboys from the other side over

546
00:33:28,716 --> 00:33:34,836
Speaker 8: there on the inland side. The valley group Malibu belonged

547
00:33:34,836 --> 00:33:35,756
Speaker 8: to those locals.

548
00:33:36,636 --> 00:33:39,116
Speaker 9: That's pretty much the name of the game.

549
00:33:39,396 --> 00:33:41,236
Speaker 8: So you can imagine what it'd be like if you

550
00:33:41,276 --> 00:33:43,996
Speaker 8: were down there, and you were at that beach every day,

551
00:33:44,276 --> 00:33:46,396
Speaker 8: then all of a sudden, there's fifty to one hundred

552
00:33:46,436 --> 00:33:49,836
Speaker 8: guys there with new boards.

553
00:33:49,356 --> 00:33:51,796
Speaker 9: And really kind of rubbing.

554
00:33:52,236 --> 00:33:55,956
Speaker 8: The nose of the guy who's been there for years.

555
00:33:57,116 --> 00:34:01,916
Speaker 1: So were there actual physical fights? Was it name calling?

556
00:34:01,996 --> 00:34:04,636
Speaker 8: Was there just Oh, there was everything you could imagine.

557
00:34:04,676 --> 00:34:07,756
Speaker 8: Flattened tires. If you went to the surf break and

558
00:34:07,796 --> 00:34:10,196
Speaker 8: nobody knew who you were, they flat in your tires.

559
00:34:10,716 --> 00:34:13,156
Speaker 8: I mean, there was all kinds of crazy stuff that

560
00:34:13,196 --> 00:34:16,196
Speaker 8: went on in the water. Was dangerous because the guys

561
00:34:16,476 --> 00:34:19,196
Speaker 8: that were learning how to surf had no concept, they

562
00:34:19,236 --> 00:34:22,956
Speaker 8: had no I guess manners. They had not been taught

563
00:34:23,636 --> 00:34:27,676
Speaker 8: the culture, they had not been taught what's acceptable and

564
00:34:27,716 --> 00:34:31,516
Speaker 8: what's not acceptable. And there were a lot of injuries.

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00:34:31,516 --> 00:34:34,956
Speaker 8: There were a lot of people that were angry about it.

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Speaker 8: And I mean, I've seen guys fight on the beach.

567
00:34:38,556 --> 00:34:42,116
Speaker 8: I've seen guys throw rocks at their boards, other people's boards.

568
00:34:42,116 --> 00:34:43,836
Speaker 8: I've seen all kinds of crazy stuff.

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Speaker 1: No one was more pissed off by all these kooks

570
00:34:48,596 --> 00:34:49,596
Speaker 1: than Mickey Dora.

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00:34:50,476 --> 00:34:53,916
Speaker 8: His area was invaded, that was his spot. I mean

572
00:34:54,396 --> 00:34:58,956
Speaker 8: it became a little bit more contentious. Its separated the

573
00:34:59,396 --> 00:35:01,836
Speaker 8: guys that could serve, who have spent their lives surfing,

574
00:35:01,836 --> 00:35:06,076
Speaker 8: who invested their soul into surfing, and all of a

575
00:35:06,116 --> 00:35:08,756
Speaker 8: sudden you got people coming over there and driving around

576
00:35:08,796 --> 00:35:11,156
Speaker 8: with boards on their car, saying their surfers when they're

577
00:35:11,156 --> 00:35:14,236
Speaker 8: really not. So it was hard for all of us,

578
00:35:14,436 --> 00:35:16,076
Speaker 8: not just for Mickey. It was for all of us,

579
00:35:16,156 --> 00:35:18,476
Speaker 8: but Mickey was probably the most outspoken.

580
00:35:19,156 --> 00:35:21,876
Speaker 1: Do you think Mickey successfully scared some of them off?

581
00:35:22,796 --> 00:35:26,636
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I guarantee you. I guarantee you.

582
00:35:31,036 --> 00:35:33,956
Speaker 1: Once upon a time, Mickey and Gidget had been friendly,

583
00:35:35,196 --> 00:35:38,236
Speaker 1: but he turned her into a scapegoat for everything he

584
00:35:38,316 --> 00:35:40,516
Speaker 1: hated about what Malibu became.

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00:35:41,556 --> 00:35:44,516
Speaker 7: He would have been, gosh, ten or fifteen years older

586
00:35:44,556 --> 00:35:46,756
Speaker 7: than her. She was really young when she was down there.

587
00:35:47,436 --> 00:35:49,356
Speaker 1: Matt Warshaw, surf historian.

588
00:35:50,156 --> 00:35:52,276
Speaker 7: You see photos of them when Kathy was still on

589
00:35:52,316 --> 00:35:55,716
Speaker 7: the beach at Malibu, and they're standing sort of next

590
00:35:55,716 --> 00:35:57,876
Speaker 7: to each other, sort of like a brother sister thing almost,

591
00:35:57,956 --> 00:36:00,236
Speaker 7: So there are pictures of the two of them, and

592
00:36:00,276 --> 00:36:03,276
Speaker 7: there's no beef at that point. I think the beef

593
00:36:03,356 --> 00:36:09,076
Speaker 7: comes later after everybody has decided collectively that Gidget room

594
00:36:09,196 --> 00:36:12,676
Speaker 7: and surfing. And when I say Gidget, I mean the

595
00:36:12,756 --> 00:36:15,236
Speaker 7: movie in the book, and then you follow the trail

596
00:36:15,316 --> 00:36:19,156
Speaker 7: back to the person. I guess, but you're going, well,

597
00:36:19,196 --> 00:36:21,156
Speaker 7: if she hadn't shown up, none of this would have happened,

598
00:36:21,236 --> 00:36:23,396
Speaker 7: which is nonsense. Surfing was going to be just as

599
00:36:23,436 --> 00:36:26,876
Speaker 7: crowded as it was. Gidget or no Gidget, right, But

600
00:36:26,956 --> 00:36:29,356
Speaker 7: Gidget is the easiest thing to look at and say, well,

601
00:36:29,596 --> 00:36:31,516
Speaker 7: there you go. That was what ruined it. And I

602
00:36:31,516 --> 00:36:36,316
Speaker 7: think that's everything you need to know about why Mickey

603
00:36:36,756 --> 00:36:37,796
Speaker 7: was angry at Kathy.

604
00:36:39,156 --> 00:36:42,516
Speaker 1: But because Kathy was Kathy and her family was who

605
00:36:42,556 --> 00:36:51,556
Speaker 1: they were, that anger took a particularly vile form. Next

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Speaker 1: time on Lost Hills.

607
00:36:55,236 --> 00:36:59,316
Speaker 3: And had there been a swastik on the driveway or

608
00:36:59,476 --> 00:37:01,756
Speaker 3: no swastik on the driver, we just kind of like

609
00:37:02,236 --> 00:37:04,556
Speaker 3: it was not a big We kind of didn't want

610
00:37:04,596 --> 00:37:06,716
Speaker 3: to deal with something like that, so we just kind

611
00:37:06,756 --> 00:37:10,316
Speaker 3: of like, who cares, you know, you want to throw

612
00:37:10,396 --> 00:37:16,476
Speaker 3: my board over the fence. So I had a drive,

613
00:37:16,716 --> 00:37:19,356
Speaker 3: I mean I had a drive to want to learn

614
00:37:19,356 --> 00:37:22,316
Speaker 3: how to surf, to prove it to you know, maybe

615
00:37:22,476 --> 00:37:25,436
Speaker 3: to myself, but to the guys that I could be

616
00:37:25,556 --> 00:37:28,836
Speaker 3: just one. I could surf too. I'm gonna surf.

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Speaker 1: That's next in episode four, Gidget Goes to Hollywood, Part two.

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Speaker 1: Lost Hills is written and reported by Me Dana Goodyear.

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Speaker 1: It's created by me and Ben Adair and produced by

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