1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of The Doug Gottlieb 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: boxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR boom Up America 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're having 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: a great day. It's a football Friday. College football is 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: here as we're at week zero. You made it, You 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: made it, You made it. We'll make fun of something 11 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: ESPN posted. That's always fun. Mark Dominical join us that's 12 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: always entered. Interesting A really interesting hypotheses from Jason Stewart 13 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: on Jerry Jones. I want to share that with you. 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: Uh I remier backpedaling like a defensive back and was 15 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick kind of privately raking the crafts. We got 16 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: a bunch to get to, but I want to start 17 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: with someone who Jay stew you worked with somebody who 18 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: I like, and we grew up watching play as one 19 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: of the greatest football players we've ever seen play. But 20 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: he did the thing that I just I find to 21 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: be not good, bizarre and sort of a credibility killer. 22 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: On the other hand, it is feeding the masses the 23 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: sugar that they so desire, even if it's bad for you, 24 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: even if it's bad for you. And like I remember 25 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: when when the president got elected his his first term, 26 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: and and I had I have several friends, black friends, 27 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: mixed race friends, and especially friends from their foreign friends, 28 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: and there was you know, between some of the travel 29 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: band and some of the narratives, there was the thought 30 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: of for me, I did not know there was a 31 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: level of xenophobia and racism that was being promoted. On 32 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: the other hand, some of it I had to take 33 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: a step back and go, Okay, how much of this 34 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: is real? How much of this is And when I 35 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: say media created, it's the media is drawn to the 36 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 1: fringes left and right right. But I'm just somebody. And Jason, 37 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: I think you can I don't know if you're can 38 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: attest to this or not. When you grew up in California, 39 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: it's so weird to hear people talk like racial politics. 40 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: And I know that California there's become a level of 41 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: racial politics. But again, you grew up and look you 42 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: grew up in a part of Orange County which was 43 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: mostly white, but it wasn't super rich. It was lower 44 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: middle income, and there were Hispanics as well. I grew 45 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: up in a very diverse part of Orange, California. Obviously, 46 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: playing basketball, y're surrounded by people of color. So when 47 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 1: I heard about, you know, like people saying there's still 48 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: all this racism, I was like, really, And then we 49 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: read about it, you watch on the news, You're like, well, 50 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: maybe there is. But then you settle back down to 51 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: the Hey, sports is a place where racism. We've generally 52 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: evolved out of it. Yes, we still use stereotypes fair, unfair, 53 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: mostly unfair, but we still use stereotypes. 54 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: We do. 55 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: But the idea that and we've talked about this before 56 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: with Eric b Enemy, that because he was a black man, 57 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: he could get a head coaching job. When I've walked 58 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: you through many times over the feedback I've gotten from 59 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: people who have interviewed him but not hired him as 60 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: a head coach. Now it's not even part of the conversation. 61 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: I remember. You go back, not this past year, the 62 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: five previous years probably, and Eric the Enemy was discussed 63 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: of you gotta hire this guy. He not anywhere close 64 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: to being disgusted. It's crazy like he's slightly ahead of 65 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: where Colin Kaepernick is to be a starting quarterback, where 66 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: he is to be a head coach in the NFL slightly. 67 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: So that brings me to Eric Dickerson, Hall of Fame 68 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: running back, two thousand yard season. And Eric, he's never 69 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: been shy to say what he thinks. That's why his 70 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: nickname with the Rams was the first four letters of 71 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: his last name, right, So this was Eric Dickerson, remember, 72 00:04:53,560 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: super opinionated Hall of Fame former Ram and Colton on 73 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: Rogan and Rodney on our am affiliate. 74 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you as much here what I and 75 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 2: what I heard from someone that's in the NFL that 76 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: the NFL put it, told other don't draft him, do 77 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 2: not draft him. We're gonna make up, we're gonna make 78 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 2: an example out of him. And this came from a 79 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: very good source, a very good source. And he said 80 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 2: that I won't say who. Somebody called the Cleveland Browns 81 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: and said, don't do that. Really, yep, draft him, don't don't. 82 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 2: Don't do that because they weren't go drafted either. They 83 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: weren't gonna drafted. 84 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: Only they did right, Only they did Okay, I'm not 85 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: denying that Eric Dickerson knows NFL people. I'm not denying 86 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: that people haven't talked a lot about Shador Sanders and 87 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: where he was drafted. But the NFL has been accused 88 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: of or even sued for collusion several times over the 89 00:05:54,320 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: past five years. Do we rea really think that thirty 90 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: two teams who want to win football games, if they 91 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: thought Shador Sanders was good enough. Do you really think 92 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: that Roger Goodell or somebody of power would have picked 93 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: up the phone and say, don't draft him and risk 94 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: not millions billions of dollars if that story was true 95 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: and got out right. Because that's an easy one. You know, 96 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: it's not truly a free market, but there's still free 97 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: market principles. Things you can't do. You can't call teams 98 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: in your league and say, do not draft this player 99 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: because we want to make an example out of him 100 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: when he's committed no real crime other than being an arrogant, 101 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: entitled Ridge Kidd who flaunted his wealth while playing college 102 00:06:54,720 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: football and disengaged in interviews with teams he didn't want 103 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: to go to, and did so in a fashion that 104 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,119 Speaker 1: was hard to take for most teams in the league, 105 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: Like I'm not sure about a lot of things. A 106 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: scientific factor is only ninety seven percent. This screws people 107 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: up that don't know science. Like one of the things 108 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: science does is they leave room for the outliers and 109 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: the very small chance, but a scientifically proven fact, it's 110 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: like ninety seve percent chance that's right, or even ninety nine. 111 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: But with ninety nine, there's that one percent. Right, I 112 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: am one hundred percent certain the sunrise in the east 113 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: and sets in the west, and that there was no 114 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: collusion to keep Shador Sanders out of the league because 115 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: the league was trying to make a point about him. 116 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: And what's crazy is and this is where it's really 117 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: poison It's really poisoned because this is the type of 118 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: internet rumor that we see really in Washington. Now. You know, 119 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: we've we're employing conspiracy theorists to make major decisions for 120 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: the current and future of our country, right, and this 121 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: is just a conspiracy theory and this is who we become. 122 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, like Eric Dickerson, I would 123 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: have him on one time for this, and that would 124 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: really it because that's a credibility killer. You run the 125 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: risk of being sued by the National Football League, a 126 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: multi multi, multi, multi billion dollar industry, because they don't 127 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: want to get sued for collusion. So if they don't okay, 128 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: if he doesn't retract, he's saying they cocluded and they 129 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: said nothing about it. And it's not like it's what's 130 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: the guy who tweets at the show Jay stew J 131 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: always talk about is it race car forty seven? 132 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: Corvette Corvette Guy twenty seven. 133 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: It's not Corvette Guy twenty seven. This is Eric freaking Dickerson. 134 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: This is two thousand yard season. This is a Hall 135 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: of Fame running back who used to be on Monday 136 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: Night Football as a broadcaster. And listen, I'm telling you 137 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: that he's wrong. I'm telling you whoever he talked to 138 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: is like, well this people are saying this is this 139 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: is like a trump ism, right, and this is honestly 140 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: what's kind of happened with the president where he can 141 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: say whatever and nobody calls them on it, and if 142 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: you call them on it, you know, I mean, he's 143 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: they're just gonna move on. Doesn't work out way. You 144 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: can't say that the NFL colluded to keep Shador Sanders 145 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: out to make a point, and you're like, well, of course, like, ka, 146 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: of course they would. Why why would they? If Shadoor 147 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: Sanders can win them football games? Nobody cares. And the 148 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: easiest example of that is the actual who should be 149 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: the starting quarterback of the Cleveland Browns, right, Deshaun Watson 150 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: was accused of sexual assault up to over forty times, 151 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: settled many of these settled some of these suits, and 152 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: yet the Cleveland Browns offered him a five year guaranteed contract, 153 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: the lights of which we had never seen before. Not 154 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: because he's white, he's not. He's black. Not because he 155 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: wanted Clemson or he wanted Houston, or because of they 156 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: thought he could win in Cleveland. That's it. They're tired 157 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: of looking for a quarterback and they had this is 158 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: their only way to get a quarterback. If you think 159 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: that's true, you're just feeding into internet rumors. And that's 160 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: what Eric Dickerson's doing, and it it creates this vicious 161 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: cycle of well, it's because he's it's it's the loud 162 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: black guy that they want to keep out of like nobody, now, well, yes, yes, 163 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: you want to keep out a guy who has a 164 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: gigantic ego. When you're supposed to walk in humble pie 165 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: and make people believe in you, you gotta believe in yourself. 166 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: But having a videographer, having listening to your own own 167 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: song on a you know, on a portable speaker, walking in, 168 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: not carrying your own bag, like lo, Bro, you're a 169 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: fifth round pick. Take it easy, carry somebody else's bag, 170 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: humble pie. But again, like I understand, we all understand 171 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: the position, right, And again I love people that want 172 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: to make it about race, Like, hey, cam Ward's number 173 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: one pick, He's black, right, And there's the famous video 174 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: with cam Ward and him working out and he's talking 175 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: about all these other things, and cam Ward's like, I 176 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: do football, right, I do football. So I'm not one 177 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: percent about a lot of things. I'm not, you know, 178 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: not one a lot of them. Ninety seven to ninety 179 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: nine percent. I'm sure the sun rise in the east 180 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: and sets in the west, and that there's no collusion 181 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: to keep store Sanders out of the NFL. Schadoor Sanders 182 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: dug Shadoor sanders own proverbial draft day grave, a grave. 183 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: He and his dad wanted to determine where they were going, 184 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: and so they they they acted like the worst possible 185 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: first state ever. We're not engaged, not paying attention, answering 186 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: their phone during an interview, Like what I have been 187 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: told again, you want to go buy sources that what 188 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: we've heard about the interviews is probably seventy five percent 189 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: as bad as the one hundred percent that it actually was. 190 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: And what happens in those interviews is everyone knows somebody 191 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: like we talked to in coaching, we talked to everybody, 192 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: Like I text with our rivals head coach on a day. 193 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: That's Bart Lundy at Milwaukee, Like like we openly they'll 194 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: take shots at us, will take shots, but like, look 195 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: but still we're in the same business and we're in 196 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: the same league, we're in the same state. Ever be in 197 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: the NFL talks, it's not collusion. If you go, how 198 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: is Shador? You're not gonna believe this, But he answered 199 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: the phone in the middle of an interview, You're not 200 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: gonna believe this, but he completely blew off Brian Dable 201 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: at the whiteboard. You're not gonna believe this. But yeah, 202 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: that spreads. That's not collusion, that's sharing information. And they're 203 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: all like, I just I want nothing to do with that. 204 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: But that's not what Eric Dickerson said. What Eric Dickerson said, okay, 205 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: and we have it on tape is hey, I heard 206 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: somebody that somebody from the NFL called and say, do 207 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: not draft this guy. We want to make a point 208 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: of it. That is collusion. And again I don't think 209 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: I know that no one is that stupid. It's just 210 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: like people who say NBA games are fixed, because all 211 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: it takes is one person to send out one text, 212 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: you know, or to screenshot one thing, and the entire 213 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: NBA loses all of the ability to have gambling on 214 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: the NBA, which is a billion dollar industry. The NFL 215 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: is on fire. Jason points it out every week. Okay, 216 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: he calls it the zarupa effect, right where the NFL 217 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: knows they're putting out a bad product and yet people 218 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: watch anyway. I don't think they know they're watching a 219 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: bad product. I do think they know it's not as 220 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: good as it could be. But whatever, the point is 221 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: that it doesn't matter. A good game, bad game. People watch, 222 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: people bet and they make tons of money. Right, do 223 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: you think they care that much about Shador Sanders that 224 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: they think him in the NFL hurts their product now 225 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: or so much so that they would tell you not 226 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: to try. Like again, think of the logic behind and 227 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: it's the same logic I used with Eric b Enemy right, 228 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: because what you would get from people who were the 229 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists or they wanted to bring racial politics into 230 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: it was he wasn't getting the job because he's black. Like, 231 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: they don't care if you're white or black. They just 232 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: want to win football games. It it's a professional organization. 233 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: They clearly don't care about Deshaun Watson his off the 234 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: field stuff, Otherwise they wouldn't have given him a five 235 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: year guaranteed contract that we had ever seen. Bef. They 236 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: don't care about your race. They don't care about your 237 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: sexual orientation. They really don't. They just care are we 238 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: going to win football games? Not one point and we're not. Goodbye, goodbye. 239 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: That's my feeling on it. 240 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 4: This is the best of the Don dot Leaf Show 241 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 4: on Fox Sports Radio. 242 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: Hey what up with you? 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Cubs Brewers 258 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: taking place right now, right Buyers got it on in studio. 259 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: He's watching and of course yesterday, so right now, it's 260 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: what top six with two outs and the Brewers have 261 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: runners at first and second. They're down five to three 262 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: to the Cubbies. And this is a day night doubleheader. 263 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: It's the makeup of last night's night game on the 264 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: day night doubleheader. It's a five game series, which you know, 265 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it's really hard for the Cubs to try 266 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: and overcome this gargantuan lead that the Brewers have, but 267 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: becomes essentially impossible if they don't win the next what 268 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: four games of the series, Dan count. 269 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you kind of need to win the next 270 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 5: four to have a chance. 271 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. And then of course, and then I think, super 272 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: interesting what happens with Dodgers tonight sweep the Padres and 273 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: then lose in the bottom of the ninth to the Rockies. 274 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: Have two more against the Rockies before going down to 275 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: San Diego take on the Padres yet again. 276 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 6: Uh, Jay Stu, what was your What was your? 277 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: Was it Instagram? Or was it a tweet about Manny 278 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: striking out to end the series? At the Ravine? 279 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 3: I quoted the great Vin Scully. Vin Scully in these 280 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 3: moments would say something over and over again. He would 281 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 3: say that one was reduced to the basics. I'll throw 282 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 3: as hard as I can, you swing as hard as 283 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 3: you can, and we'll see who comes out on top. 284 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. I was listening to the game actually driving up 285 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: from San Diego, and then I flipped over because I 286 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: was going to listen to Bayer. Bayer had the Sunday off, 287 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: so it was Monsey and Kerry Rhodes. 288 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 5: Actually I've been doing the mornings this summer with Harmon. Well, 289 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 5: mornings for US Monty and Carry are two to five Pacific, 290 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 5: and Harmon and I are nine to eleven. 291 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: But you go didn't know, Oh, didn't know. Sunday's not 292 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: usually my sports radio day. I was driving up, I 293 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: was like, man, I want to hear a buyer has 294 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: to say. I was like, dang, d d oh. So 295 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: we'll keep an eye on I Major League Baseball, the 296 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: game being played right now at Wrigley, but also the 297 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: game tonight, also at Wrigley, and the game tonight in Colorado. 298 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: Got some others as well. Note John Middlecoff's going to 299 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: join us in fifteen minutes. We'll get his thoughts on football. Course, 300 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: he was on with Colin today in studio for the Herd. 301 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: But I thought this would be something that you would 302 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: all enjoy. You know, when you're in business long enough, 303 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: you're going to be drawn to different people in turning 304 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: leadership roles. My favorite big boss I've ever had, Smart Shapiro. 305 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: And it wasn't because we were close. Wasn't clause he 306 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: gave me this huge raise. He did give me a 307 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: couple opportunities which I will. I am forever indebted to 308 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: him for but it was He's just a dynamic person 309 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: that is willing to take risks and also when you 310 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: have a conversation with him like, he's willing to share. 311 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: So that's what we did. We sat down with him. 312 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: We record about twenty minutes, but then we'll put the 313 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: entirety of it on the podcast, which you can hear 314 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: upcoming at the top of the hour. Just download podcast 315 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: our podcast for every download podcast, we'll see if we 316 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: can throw that interview up on the YouTube channel. By 317 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: the way, that's at Doug Gottlieb Show on YouTube. A 318 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: YouTube slash at Doug Gottlieb Show on YouTube. But here's 319 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: my conversation on Zoom with Mark Shapiro, TKO President and COO. Okay, 320 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: so Mark, let's let's let's start with UFC as a 321 00:19:52,440 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: business model pre dating your agreement with Paramount. Okay, you 322 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: on obviously both sides of these deals when you looked 323 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: at it, and the pay per view model with ESPN. 324 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 6: How healthy a business was it for UFC? 325 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 7: You know, it's been cyclical. 326 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 8: I would say overall, the relationship with ESPN just extraordinary. 327 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 7: And start there. 328 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 8: I mean Obviously, ESPN is the destination for sports fans. 329 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 8: It's appointment viewing and there's no better marketing partner in 330 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 8: sports twenty four to seven. They want to get behind something, 331 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 8: they get behind it. You know it too well, because 332 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 8: of course when they don't, you. 333 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 7: Also know that. 334 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 8: And they they did more for the UFC than any 335 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 8: partner we've ever had. And I would say the fact 336 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 8: that we are mainstream and so strong with young men 337 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 8: and the demos that we have. Of course it has 338 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 8: a lot to do with our fighting stable and Dana 339 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 8: White in the history, but ESPN took us through another level. 340 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 7: So it was great and we knew what we were 341 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 7: walking into. 342 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 8: Doug right, this was an ESPN Plus play that they 343 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 8: are going to use the ESPN and ESPN two as 344 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 8: a barker channel to watch the prelimbs, maybe even watch 345 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 8: the early prims prelimbs, and then move you over to 346 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 8: ESPN Plus to sign up. So when we started with them, 347 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 8: we were in three million homes and we quickly grew 348 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 8: to twenty four million. And their words, not ours. We 349 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 8: were the anchor tenant of ESPN Plus, so it was great. 350 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 8: But I think over time, over the seven years a 351 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 8: couple things happened. One is they just kept raising price 352 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 8: and it got to a point where it was just 353 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 8: too much. And we know that for a fact because 354 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 8: the pay per views started slipping the total number of 355 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 8: buys and the pirrating went to insane levels. I mean, 356 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 8: and Dana, as you know, is now on the board 357 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 8: a metat. So we've seen unbelievable numbers across Facebook and 358 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 8: our relationship with YouTube. 359 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 7: And tens of thousands of streams and. 360 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: That give me, give me a sense, give me some 361 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: when you say the pirrating, okay, because I know what 362 00:21:59,320 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: you're talking about. 363 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 6: As I've been to parties, We're like, do we buy this? Like, no, no, 364 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 6: we got a we got a fire stick. We're in 365 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 6: there there. What are the type of numbers that would 366 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 6: be pirated? 367 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 8: Tens of thousands of streams and how many people were 368 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 8: watching each of those streams? 369 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 7: We don't even know. It just it just got to 370 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 7: be too much because it's too expensive. 371 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 8: You're paying eleven ninety nine to get ESPN plus that's 372 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 8: what you have to do monthly, and then to get 373 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 8: the pay per view you're paying eighty dollars, So it 374 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 8: almost becomes the sales prevention departments, and we discussed this 375 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 8: with ESPN and they had different data and they just 376 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 8: didn't agree, and they just kept going. They did introduce 377 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 8: some early bird specials if you buy two weeks before 378 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 8: and you get five bucks off, but it was nothing 379 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 8: that was going to solve the crisis. Now, in their defense, 380 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 8: the UFC, while obviously we have stars Amanda Nunez and 381 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 8: John Jones and you know, justin Gaetgee and a. 382 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 7: Lot of folks along the way, Uswan Kamara. 383 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 8: We didn't have any more of the level of Connor 384 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 8: McGregor on a ROWSI in the in the later years 385 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 8: of our seven year deal, and they would point to 386 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 8: the pipeline and so just being fair across the board. 387 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 7: Look, you got to win to become a star. We 388 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 7: can't manufacture. 389 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 8: It isn't this isn't the WWE, and so there might 390 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 8: be some truth to that. But the fighting itself, the matches, 391 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 8: the competition, the events have never been better, never been better. 392 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 8: And the fact that you have a lot of Russian 393 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 8: and Middle Eastern champions, it is what it is. 394 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 7: You got to beat the best, and our core fans 395 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 7: get that. 396 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 8: You do want commercial stars, and I think over time 397 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 8: It's very cyclical. It just it rides different waves. When 398 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 8: when GSP left the UFC is, oh my god, they 399 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 8: have no other stars, and then someone else emerges. So 400 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 8: you just you got to be patient and you got 401 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 8: to be in it for the long haul. 402 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: If you were on the other side, right because I 403 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: like it. I like in this one too. When you 404 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: were at ESPN and had you lost Monday Night football, right, yeah, 405 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: because Sunday night. 406 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 6: We lost Sunday Night. 407 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: But you couldn't lose Monday Night if you were on 408 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: the other side, what would you have done to prevent 409 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: you from switching to paramount? 410 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 8: I wouldn't let it get away. I mean, let me 411 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 8: just say, Bob Iger is the biggest sports fan of 412 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 8: any executive in the media business. I mean he started 413 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 8: at ABC Sports and he's a massive boxing fan too, 414 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 8: Like he knows the combat sports area. 415 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 7: He came to our Sphere event last year, which was 416 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 7: a real spectacle. 417 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 8: Look, you're launching ESPN direct to consumer. I think it launches, 418 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 8: you know in the next couple of days. Here you're 419 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 8: charging twenty nine to ninety nine. You want to see 420 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 8: people either authenticate if they have cable and satellite already 421 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 8: and if they don't, you want them to pay twenty 422 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 8: nine ninety nine, so you want all the premier sports. 423 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 7: The UFC fan is very, very passionate. I mean it's 424 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 7: it's it's the fervor. 425 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 9: The fan avidity is insane, right, And forty percent of 426 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 9: our audiences women, so you've got moms buying, and you've 427 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 9: got obviously young men, young women who watch six hour cards. 428 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 7: I mean, this is what you dream about. 429 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 8: There's forty three events, so look, it's easy to play 430 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 8: money morning quarterback. I don't know the budgets. I don't 431 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 8: know their dollars. They got a lot of money to spend. 432 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 8: They've made big investments in the NFL, the CFP, the NBA, 433 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 8: and you know what, money doesn't stretch that far, and 434 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 8: their linear business is declining, so they had to make 435 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 8: some decisions. I think the WWE deal is brilliant for them. 436 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 8: The idea of WrestleMania on ESPN brilliant, and maybe they 437 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 8: just couldn't afford everything. But having UFC, which is a 438 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 8: year round sport, while you're trying to launch D two 439 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 8: C at twenty nine to ninety nine, which would be 440 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 8: well received versus the one hundred dollars fans are paying 441 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 8: monthly now for ESPN Plus to get the paper fights. 442 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 8: To me, that's something I wouldn't have passed up. But 443 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 8: I don't criticize them. They're an important partner. They're still 444 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 8: the premier. 445 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 7: Destination in sports, and we're going to help them build 446 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 7: this ESPN D to C. 447 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:09,959 Speaker 1: The rise of UFC right from when you were first 448 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: a young producer at ESPN to now, right like the 449 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 1: NFL is one hundred year bild hey, exactly, the NBA 450 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: has been one hundred years. Major League Baseball is over 451 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: one hundred years to go from where they were even 452 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: in the early two thousands where they were trying to 453 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: get to mainstream to now you're talking about a premier 454 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: property on the Tiffany Network. This is a story that 455 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: I don't think has ever played out as such before 456 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: in sports, Is. 457 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,719 Speaker 7: There, Doug. I'll tell you this. 458 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 8: When I was running program, I got from oted to 459 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 8: the head of program I thirty two years old. In 460 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 8: twenty ten, Dana White and the Fertida brothers came and pitched, 461 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 8: and they pitched. 462 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 7: Hard on the UFC. 463 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 8: Like I wasn't sure if I'd get if I said no, 464 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 8: if I might get. 465 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 7: Beat up or they left the room right, And I 466 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 7: didn't do it. And one of the reasons I didn't 467 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 7: do it wasn't all my decision. 468 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 8: The mouse Disney wasn't about to put that that sport 469 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 8: where it was with blood on the mat on ESPN 470 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 8: or ABC Sports. Now, completely different story. Obviously, it is mainstream. 471 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 7: It is the rise, the. 472 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 8: Evolution, the ascension, the following, the fan base, the number 473 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 8: of fighters around the globe. How global it is. I mean, 474 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 8: you're talking two hundred and ten countries and territories that 475 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 8: the UFC is currently broadcast in. You have six hundred 476 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 8: plus fighters, right, you have seventy five different countries of 477 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 8: where they hail from, the fighters. You have fifty different 478 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 8: languages that broadcast UFC fights. 479 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 7: I can't even believe it. 480 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 8: I can't believe where it has has gone, you know 481 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 8: how it is has come that far. ESPN's been a 482 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 8: big part of that. I mean, they really supercharged it. 483 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 8: They they put turbo into this. Fox was important, Spike 484 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 8: was important, Every step of the way was important. But 485 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 8: I would tell you ESPN had had more to do 486 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 8: with than anything else. 487 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 7: And of course Dana White and his team and the 488 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 7: way they got behind it. 489 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 8: And locally and built these stars, these stars that won 490 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 8: and covered. 491 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 6: The survive COVID two, absolutely survive COVID. 492 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: Right and expanded in COVID when when others had no 493 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: we had no live sports. 494 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 7: I tell you he was the guy. 495 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 8: He was calling Ari and I by the upward and 496 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 8: I'm not going down. UFC doesn't go down. We will 497 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 8: find a place to do this. We were on our. 498 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 7: Way to do a vent at Tachi Wallace, an Indian. 499 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 8: Reservation in California, so we wouldn't miss a month. And 500 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 8: by the way, we needed to because money wise, we 501 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 8: would have been in trouble. Just at that time, Endeavor, 502 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 8: all of our businesses were shut down like everybody else, 503 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 8: and yet we had this huge staff and expenses and 504 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 8: media right, we had to pay an IMG and so 505 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 8: we needed to keep the show going. And he worked 506 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 8: out a deal which would have kept us going in ESPN. 507 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 7: Would have loved it. At the end of the day, 508 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 7: it was Newsom and. 509 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 8: Bob Iger that said, hey, too soon, probably insensitive to 510 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 8: what's going on. We need you to stand down. So 511 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 8: we didn't do that event. We waited a month and 512 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 8: then bank Fight Island and they were ready for it. 513 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 8: Abu Dabi the bubble Newsom was good with it, Bob 514 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 8: Iger was good with it, and. 515 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 7: We moved on and that saved the day. To your point, so. 516 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 8: Many fans sampled it for the first time and became 517 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 8: full time fans. 518 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 6: Amazing. 519 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: Well listen, congrats on getting the deal done. I'm sure 520 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: you all have to do another one and I really 521 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: really appreciate your time. 522 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 7: Great to see it. Congratulations on all your success. 523 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 524 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 4: the nation yet. 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I'll take it from here. 540 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 7: Maybe, Doug, I'll take it from here. 541 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 3: So something special happened four years ago. And you know, 542 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 3: in this business, we need to celebrate milestones. I'm not 543 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 3: getting any younger, the business is getting more funky, So 544 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 3: I want to celebrate milestones. I want to bring attention 545 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 3: to stuff. And frankly, I was going to do this tomorrow, 546 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 3: but Dan Byer brought has brought to my attention that 547 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 3: this will be the last time we're together for a while, 548 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 3: so I'd like to do it as the four of us. 549 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 3: The A team is here today Sam on the twos 550 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 3: and ones, and we got Dan Byer on the updates, 551 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 3: and we got Doug Gottlieb. Four years ago today I 552 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 3: started working on the Doug Gottlieb Show. 553 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: Wow. 554 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 3: Four year anniversary. It's been quite a ride, quite right, 555 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 3: since Scott Shapiro and Don Martin took a chance on 556 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 3: a twenty year old vet to steer the Doug Gottlieb 557 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 3: Show into a better place. I've spoken to many media critics, 558 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 3: and they have told me that I have indeed steered 559 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 3: it into a better place. But yeah, four years, Doug. 560 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 3: And one thing I really like is when people try 561 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 3: to contribute to content. You know, I hate being me 562 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 3: and Doug hate being the soul creators on this show. 563 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 3: So Dan Byer helps out. Sam has never brought me 564 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 3: an idea in the eighteen months he's been here. 565 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 7: So I fly though on the fly. 566 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's on the fly. He's great on the drops, 567 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 3: human filibuster, great on the drops. And you know what, listeners, 568 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 3: when listeners contribute. I love that our listener, Brad in 569 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 3: Jacksonville has contributed something really special here and it sounds like. 570 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:31,959 Speaker 10: This, Yes is here in this and he's a semi 571 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 10: regulum on the show. 572 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 7: His name is Jase. 573 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 10: Now he's tweeting some more and God molds on his 574 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 10: faces and the place his name is Jason. 575 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 3: Thank you Brad and Jacksonville. Uh that will go on 576 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 3: the permanent file list. And uh, four year anniversary. 577 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: Guys, happy anniversary, Jay to. 578 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 5: What is four years? 579 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 2: What is that? 580 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: Is it? 581 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 7: Cotton pot plant? 582 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm laughing because potted plant. My dad would get my 583 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: mom a tracksuit and a potted plant for like every 584 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: and she didn't wear tracksuits and potted plants. She does 585 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: have a lot of in the back, but they weren't 586 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: the ones that I don't know, it was a lot anyway, 587 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: Happy anniversary. I love having you. And as you know, 588 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: and I think people learn, is like it's just everything 589 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: about you do with my coaching staff change this year. 590 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: There's no disrespect to the people who are not coaching 591 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: here any longer, like everybody, every one of those guys 592 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: that are not here anymore got a raise. But this 593 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: is gonna help me more and help my team more. 594 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: And the same thing happened four years ago when you 595 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: joined us, is we got better every day because you 596 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: love this. Right, you can only do sports radio every 597 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: day if you actually love it and if you love 598 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: content and you think you find interesting things in what 599 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,439 Speaker 1: can be mundane. And yeah, so there you go. Let's 600 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: get to the let's get to the bar, get the press. 601 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 4: The press. 602 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 5: Did you guys also see fruit and flowers as the 603 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 5: four year that's that's what I'm seeing. Fruit and flowers 604 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 5: for your anniversary. 605 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 2: That's the gift