1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in noon to three Eastern nine am to 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: noon Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: or FSR. 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: It's Thursday. We're live in Chicago. It is the Herd. 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. 12 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for making us part of your day. Team Italy, 13 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: thank you kindly. The story that is welcome in great 14 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: Da have here, regardless of the platform, wherever you're watching us, 15 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: we appreciate it. Lots of choices out there. So yesterday 16 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: I had seven time NBA champ Robert Orion the show. 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes you'll have a guest on the show, and today 18 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: we got Tom Izzo, We got Johnny Manziel's on the show. 19 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: Today we could get Paul Skins on the show. So 20 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: we got a lot of things cooking today. But we 21 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: had Robert Horion and it was a classic Laker. You know, 22 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: played all four years of college came in and played, 23 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: you know, great Spurs teams, great Laker teams. And I 24 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: asked him about, you know, Lebron's legacy, and you know, 25 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: the statue argument. And here's what Robert Ory said. 26 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 3: Lebron you know him, Katie. Those guys have had the choice. 27 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 3: You know, everybody wants somebody to be like a Derek 28 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 3: and the COVID state for twenty years, and Tim Duncan 29 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: in the case with everybody, they wanted to explore options. 30 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 3: And I think if he does get a statue out there, 31 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 3: he's deserving. 32 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 4: He should get a statue in Cleveland. 33 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: He's just get a statue in la he said, get 34 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 3: a statue in Miami, because you think about what he's 35 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 3: done for every organization. Sometimes it's not about the wins, 36 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 3: it's about the butts she put in a seat. 37 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: Okay, so the Lakers aren't every other organization. There is 38 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: simply a friend standard for Notre Dame Football, Yankee Baseball, 39 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: Real Madrid, Manchester United, and the Lakers, even though they 40 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: haven't been very good over the last ten years. Right 41 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: most of the time, and this is not the New 42 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: York Mets that celebrate wild card appearances are the Charlotte 43 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: Hornets or the fourth best football team in the Big 44 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: twelve Miami, Sure, Cleveland absolutely. I think if you asked 45 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: Laker fans statue in Lebron outside of Crypto, it would 46 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: be absolutely not. Folks think about the statues in front 47 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: of Crypto Kobe five rings, Jerry West six as an executive, 48 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: and then nine finals appearances, Magic five title, Shack three, 49 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: Kareem five, pat Riley several, chick Hearn, thirty plus years 50 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: of broadcasting. I mean Elgin Baylor didn't have a title, 51 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: but Elgin Baylor, who many believe was the pre Lebron. 52 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: He was Lebron before Lebron all fourteen years of his career, 53 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: Lakers drafted by him, stayed with him, fourteen years with him. 54 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: You know, ten time All Star average, thirty eight a 55 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: game one season, and he is the founding father of 56 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: professional basketball in La. Is Elgin Baylor. Ohways a Laker. 57 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: You know, every statue outside of Crypto, the first line 58 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: of it could be Laker legend Magic Johnson with Lebron, 59 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: the first sentence is Cleveland's finest most points ever part 60 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:43,839 Speaker 1: of the heatls Is he really family? Lebron feels more 61 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: like a consultant. He adds value, new set of eyes, 62 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: polishes up the problems, and then when he leaves in 63 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: the contracts done, you're like, all right, siyah. Nobody sheds tea, 64 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: nobody cries. This is not family. And that's the downside 65 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: of mobility. Lebron isn't Laker family. What he is he 66 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: has been a He was a life preserver for a 67 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: sinking boat. But Jerry weston Magic were the boat. Kareem 68 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: and Kobe Shack were the boat. Jerry West was the boat. 69 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: And so not a lot of rings. Won COVID Championship 70 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: eight years with the Lakers last two. There's games and 71 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: minute restrictions. I think the standard is way too high. 72 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: I do think he's put some butts in the seats. 73 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: But that's a big deal for the Clippers, that's a 74 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: big deal maybe for the Mavericks, for the Pelicans. Butts 75 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: in seats don't count it Notre Dame Ohio state football. 76 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: You know Tom is a Michigan State basketball. There's always 77 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: butts in the seats. So, and I said this before, 78 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: Lebron was a life preserver. The five years before he came, 79 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: the Lakers had the losingest record as a franchise, but 80 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: they've still remained the number one brand in the sport. 81 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: They could still get a number. They were just poorly 82 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: coached and poorly run and poorly owned. So the statue 83 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: thing is very interesting to me. I would honestly when 84 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: you look at the standard of the people out in 85 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: front of Crypto with Lebron, I'd probably say, yeah, more 86 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: consultant than family. Okay, So you know, there are two 87 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that I have always been much higher on than 88 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: the consensus. One of them is Sam Donald, and after 89 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: he hoisted a Super Bowl trophy, the trolls and the 90 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: critics got very quiet, apparently there was a power outage 91 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: with all their internet. The other one, and I've said, 92 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: I guess I missed on it was Kyler Murray. So 93 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: the reason I always stuck with Sam Donald and never 94 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: liked JJ McCarthy is because Donald had elite traite, elite size, 95 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: elite arm, elite athleticism, elite toughness. Well, Kyler Murray. To me, 96 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: everybody keeps asking who's the next Sam Darnold, an elite 97 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: quarterback on the cheap, Who's the next Baker Mayfield, Well, guys, 98 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: it's Kyler Murray. If he goes to Minnesota with Jordan 99 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: Aison and a good old line and TJ. Hogginson and 100 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson and Kevin O'Connell. You got to remember he 101 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: made multiple Pro Bowls in a playoff in Arizona. They 102 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: gave him a contract extension. Jets did not to Darnald. 103 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 1: Cleveland didn't with Baker. Arizona gave him a contract extension. 104 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: They picked it up and he made multiple Pro Bowls 105 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: and he got to the playoffs. But like Darnald, what 106 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: he has are elite traits. He is a more athletic, 107 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: elusive version of Russell Wilson in his prime. He throws 108 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: a beautiful deep ball and because of his baseball background, 109 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: he doesn't get hit that much. One of the great 110 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: sliders in the sport, really knows how to avoid contact. 111 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: Is he small? Do I have commitment issues? Yes? Yes, yes, yes, yes. 112 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: But if you're looking for the next Donald, it's right 113 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: in front of you. It's Kyler Murray. And that's why 114 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: I was never a JJ McCarthy fan. What are the 115 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: trade When Drake May came out, I'm like, Oh, that's 116 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: NFL size, NFL arm two trades. Caleb Williams. Okay, that's 117 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: NFL horsepower. Jaden Daniels movement. I said he's gonna look 118 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: like Lamar Jackson. You gotta have a wow trait. Well, 119 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray has them. But like Sam Darnlelly went to 120 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: a bad organization. So I worry a little bit about 121 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: you know, he's a smaller quarterback. I don't think like Donald. 122 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: I think Donald's a better talent. I don't think he's 123 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: going to peel off fourteen wins. But when you look 124 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: at Baker and you look at Donald, what they got 125 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: to reinvent their career wasn't necessarily a great old line. 126 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: It was a great coach. For Donald, it was Shanahan, 127 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: then Kevin O'Connell and then Clint Kobyak. You know, for 128 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, he got little Sean McVay and then he 129 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: gets Liam Cohen and Dave Kanalis. That's what the reclamation 130 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: projects all have. They find their kingpin, they find their 131 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: their wizard. Well, Kevin O'Connell was that for Donald, He 132 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: was that for Josh Dobbs. Briefly he couldn't make it 133 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: work with JJ McCarthy. I think it's Kyler Murray, Albert 134 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: Breery yesterday on Kyler and the Vikings and the reports 135 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: are as getting close. 136 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 5: I think right now things are lining up for the 137 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 5: Vikings to bring Kyler Murray in on the minimum. And 138 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 5: I think if you're Kyler Murray, you look at that situation, 139 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 5: the opportunity to work with Kevin O'Connell, an offensive line 140 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 5: that they've invested in, Jordan Jefferson or Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, TJ. Hockkinson. 141 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 5: I mean, you start to add up the pieces that 142 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 5: you've got in Minnesota, and even though they didn't play 143 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 5: very well last year, a lot of those same elements 144 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 5: that put Sam Donald in position to resurrect his career 145 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 5: would still be there for Kyler Murray. 146 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: Totally agree. So it's when whenever you look at these 147 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: quarterbacks who get tossed aside, who are viewed as busts 148 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: when they if they resurrect their career, the common thread 149 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: is not a great running back or a number one receiver. 150 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: You find your guy, You find your coach. It could 151 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: be Clint Kubiak, Shanahan, Kevin O'Connell, Dave Canalis, Liam Cohne. 152 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: You find the right coach, and I think if he 153 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: signs with Minnesota. That's the best possible scenario for Kyler Murray, 154 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: and I think he would flourish. Do I think he'd 155 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: win fourteen games like Donald did? No, But I think 156 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: they'd win nine or ten. I honestly think they're offensive 157 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: personnel and their offensive coaching is that good. I really do. 158 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: And like all of you, I think he's a little small. 159 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: I worry about the video game reports, but on the 160 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: market right now, if you told me I had one 161 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: drive to win a game, I'd take Kyder over Daniel 162 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: Jones or Mac Jones or Geno Smith or guys that 163 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: you know keep getting second third chances. Okay, j Mac, 164 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: Team Italy eats Mexico. That's good for us. Yeah, Darryl 165 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: Morey is saying what we've been saying for years. I 166 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: appreciate it. And Max Crosby is officially a Raider and 167 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: it looks like will remain a raider. 168 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 6: How does that sit with you? You buying that? I mean, 169 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 6: I know he's saying all the right things. He kind 170 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 6: of has to a little embarrassing for him right to 171 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 6: demand a trade, get traded, say goodbye, and then. 172 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: Go back there. 173 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: I mean, you can't say I'm. 174 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 6: Want out now, like it's a weird spot for Max. 175 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 6: Crosby's saying all the right things. He's your guy, so 176 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 6: I anticipate you love this move. 177 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: Huh yeah, I think it's I said before, they have 178 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: eleven draft picks, they're going to get incredibly young. They 179 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: only have Max Crosby and Colton Miller as old experienced veterans. 180 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: It's a really young roster, and I think it's too 181 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: young in that division. 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You do it 202 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 7: today and you can check all of those out on 203 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 7: the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. 204 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 1: Here we go our number two conference tournaments ramping up. 205 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: Selection Sunday is around the corner. Next week the tournament 206 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: begins Duke Arizona, Michigan State, Michigan, Florida, Yukon, Gonzaga. So 207 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: there's still a few moves being made. Bradley Chubb got 208 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: picked up by the Bills. I thought that was a 209 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: decent He's gonna get you about nine to ten sacks 210 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: a year. I thought that was a pretty good get 211 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: by Brandon being the GM They got DJ Moore, Bradley Chubb. 212 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: Those good pickups, especially DJ Moore, So I thought I 213 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: would give you these are my five favorite moves of 214 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: free agency. These are the five that jump out to me. 215 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: That are like game altering. Number one, I think Tyler 216 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: Linderbaum and Jalen Naylor, the wide receiver from Minnesota. I 217 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: think the Raiders nailed it. I think Linderbaum is second 218 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: best center in the sport. This is what the Bears did. 219 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: Go get your young quarterback and elite center. I also 220 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: think Jalen Naylor was the fastest Vikings wide receiver last 221 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: year under the radar, signing to go along with the 222 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: Brock Bowers Ashton Genty. I thought the Raiders nailed it. 223 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: Number two. The Rams getting two corners including Trent McDuffie, 224 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: made them literally in Vegas Super Bowl favorites. So Jalen 225 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: Watson's a good, solid corner, arguably better than anybody but 226 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: McDuffie now on the Rams. But the Rams are not 227 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: paying any on that defense for another year or two. 228 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: They've drafted so well. They're very young, so they get 229 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: a veteran that can match up with the top Niner, 230 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: Arizona and Seattle receivers in division and beyond. I love 231 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: that move. Number three Milik Willis. I know it's only 232 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: six starts, but last season he was thirty of thirty 233 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: five with five touchdowns and no picks, really accurate. Jeff Hafley, 234 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: the head coach at Miami, was the defensive coordinator in 235 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: Green Bay. He watched him for two years. Twenty two 236 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: million makes him the seventeenth highest paid quarterback in the NFL. 237 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: I think it's very realistic that at some point next 238 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: year you will feel like Malik Willis is at least 239 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: the seventeenth best quarterback in the NFL. I feel very 240 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: confident saying that the number four team. I think DJ 241 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: Moore is a good get. I think he's a very 242 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: good player, never misses starts five years, really durable, smart guy. 243 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: I think sometimes late in the year with the explosion 244 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: of Luther Burden for the Bears in Colston Loveland, he 245 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: felt a little lost and overlooked. He will not feel 246 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: that way in Buffalo. So he's going to get twelve 247 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: targets a game. He can go over the top. Josh 248 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: Allen like Caleb Williams strong arm quarterback, he can get free. 249 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: Deep thought it was a great move by Brandon Bean 250 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: and I like Tarik Woollen to the Eagles on a 251 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: one year deal. Listen, they've already got two great corners. 252 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: No other team in the NFL can say they have 253 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: three elite trait corners except the Philadelphia Eagles. He joins 254 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: Cooper de John and Quinyan Mitchell. So this is a 255 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: stacked secondary for the Eagles. I loved all five of 256 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: these moves. Those were as good as it gets to me. 257 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: And I will say this, I do think Bradley Chubb 258 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: coming in late Trey Hendricks into the Ravens solid, Bradley 259 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: Chubb to the Bills solid. Those are good plays as well. 260 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live edition of The Herd weekdays 261 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: and neon Eastern a em Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 262 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 263 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: So last week on the show, I bring Matt Hasselback 264 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: on during the NFL season, and I had Hasselbeck on 265 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: and there was a story that Digo Pavia, the wildly 266 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: entertaining quarterback for Vanderbilt, you know, and he you know, 267 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: he's got some swag and low cocky. There was a 268 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: story that he was leaning into Johnny Manziel Johnny Football 269 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: as a mentor. And I said on the air, I'm like, 270 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if I like that. And then Matt 271 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: Hasselback and I asked, Matt Hasselbeck, I said, well, what 272 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: do you make of that with Johnny's turbulence in his 273 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: football life? And Matt Hasselbeck said something very interesting. 274 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 6: I don't I don't actually think it's a terrible thing 275 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 6: at all that Diego is maybe learning from Johnny Manziel, 276 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 6: as long as it's that same kind of thing, like, 277 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 6: hey man, you. 278 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 4: Don't have to do what I did, and here's here's why. 279 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: And Hasselbeck said he used Jeff George as a mentor 280 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: and similarly super talented, little bit of turbulence. So I said, 281 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: in that moment, you know, I think I'm wrong on this. 282 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: I think you can learn from anybody in life, and 283 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: whoever you learn from, if they give you good advice, 284 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: take it. And Johnny Manziel found time for us to 285 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: come on the show. I told my staff, I said, 286 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: get him on the show. I want to go into 287 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: detail on this. He is unbelievably he's thirty three years old. 288 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: That is that wild when I saw that this morning. 289 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: So you've got a lot of life experience, a lot, 290 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: and so I looked up Diego Pavia's kind of family background, 291 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: and you know, listen, Johnny, there's there's some bumps with it. 292 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: It's not perfect. Do you worry? I mean, do you 293 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: know him? If I could ask this, like, what kind 294 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: of advice is good advice from you to him right 295 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: now in his life. 296 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 8: Listen for the people who see Diego Pavia and they 297 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 8: see our friendship, and the first thing that they say is, well, 298 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 8: that makes sense. Why Diego acts the way that he does. 299 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 8: He acts a lot like Johnny manziel Well. First and 300 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 8: foremost what he does on the field is he plays 301 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 8: a lot like me. As I've got to know him 302 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 8: as a person, and I've made trips to Nashville. I've 303 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 8: gone to dinner with his family. I've got to see 304 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 8: how his life is. Believe it or not, Guys, Diego 305 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 8: Pavia was partying before he ever met me. This guy 306 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 8: is a leading quarterback of SEC school. I don't know 307 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 8: if you guys know, but Marcel Reid, I don't care 308 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 8: if it was Aj mcceron back in the day or 309 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 8: Aaron Murray, whoever, it's been SEC quarterbacks. In a town 310 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 8: like Nashville, They're going to go out, They're going to 311 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 8: have fun. These are college kids. It's no different than 312 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 8: what the frat kids are doing. You just have more 313 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 8: eyes on you So when I met Diego and I 314 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 8: got to know how he was, I saw a guy 315 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 8: that could very easily get caught up in the money 316 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 8: that he's making, could very much be out too much. 317 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 4: So let's give you this example. 318 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 8: After the Heisman and the weekend I was there with him, 319 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 8: obviously I was very vocal about him wanting to win it. 320 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 8: I think ultimately it went to the right person and 321 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 8: what Mendoza did. But we went out. I took him 322 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 8: and his teammates out to Marquis in New York, and 323 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 8: I started to see other people that he had known 324 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 8: running signs and buying bottles with negative things to say 325 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 8: about the Heisman or this, and that irked me. 326 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 4: So I didn't talk to him for a couple of 327 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 4: days after that. 328 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 8: I let him go back home and deal with the 329 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 8: shame that he had to for making that and doing 330 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 8: that on his own, And then when I spoke to him, 331 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 8: I hit him up. A couple of days later, I'm like, hey, listen, man, 332 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 8: you have to do the things that I didn't do. 333 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 8: You have to carry yourself with a little more class. 334 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 8: You are going to be doubted. You are going to 335 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 8: have people come at you and try and tear you apart. 336 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 8: When you go to the combine. They may drop a 337 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 8: binder on your in front of you with everything that 338 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 8: you've done wrong since you've been in college. 339 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 4: So you need to be prepared for this. 340 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 8: Here's how I would answer these questions with honesty and 341 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 8: integrity and get out in front of and do the 342 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 8: things that I didn't do where I was just like, oh, yeah, 343 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 8: I'm good. What are you guys talking about. It's just 344 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 8: in college. I'll change it. You have to actually make 345 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 8: the changes for these people to believe in you, Diego. 346 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 8: You're not a first round pick, you're not a second 347 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,959 Speaker 8: round pick, you're not a third round pick. You were 348 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 8: going to have to get into a situation claw and 349 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 8: fight through training camp for a roster spot. And then 350 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 8: maybe that won't even happen. Maybe you'll be on a 351 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 8: practice squad and you'll bounce around three different times. But 352 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 8: life moving forward for Diego Pave is going to have 353 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 8: to be about a couple of things. Who you surround 354 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 8: yourself with and who you're getting your advice from, the 355 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 8: work ethic that you put into the building. Pretty much, 356 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 8: this all the things that I didn't do that got 357 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 8: my ass kicked out of the NFL in two years. 358 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: Well, people are different. I mean Tom Brady famously didn't 359 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: drink a beer during the season. That doesn't mean that 360 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: everybody else has to be that. When you look back 361 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: at your journey, and I've talked about with friends about 362 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: this in life, is that I don't have a ton 363 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: of regrets because in my twenties I did things that 364 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: I wouldn't do now. But now I'm sixty. So like 365 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: people do what they do at the time because it 366 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: feels fun, and you're a free spirit and you did 367 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: what you did. Is there anything through your journey though, 368 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: if there was one thing I said, Johnny, what's the 369 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: one thing if you could do it again? You'd be 370 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: like yeah, yea, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't do that because 371 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: I do think you're a free spirit, You're different. You've 372 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: got a big personality that by the way, I think 373 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: you played better with a chip on your shoulder. I 374 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: think you played better cocky. But is there one thing 375 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: you do regret? 376 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 4: I look back and people ask me this question all 377 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 4: the time. 378 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 8: I don't play the what if game too much, but 379 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 8: I do play and have a point throughout my career 380 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,479 Speaker 8: where I wish I would have gone back to and 381 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 8: made changes and been different. Right, you could always go 382 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 8: back and have fun later in your life, after you 383 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 8: set yourself up for success and get your finances in 384 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 8: order and go have a career that you can look 385 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 8: back and be proud of. I look back at a 386 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 8: career that I know, and I'm honest with myself about 387 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 8: how it went. Do I wish I would have got 388 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 8: to play longer. I'm watching guys who came into the 389 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 8: league a year after me, and Jamis and Marcus Mariota. 390 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 4: Who are continuing to play. 391 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 8: If you think I don't watch the football season and 392 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 8: think about that and see that and have you know 393 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 8: ish there? 394 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 4: You know times. 395 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 8: Throughout my career and after my career where I'm like, damn, 396 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 8: I wish I was still playing. However, I very much 397 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 8: told myself in my head, and I've come to peace 398 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 8: with what my football career was. You know, I can 399 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 8: sit back in my life and be viewed as a 400 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 8: legend in college football, a guy that disrupted the game, 401 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 8: took the world by storm, did things beyond my wildest 402 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 8: dreams and my football career, and hey. 403 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 4: I went to Cleveland. It didn't work out. I didn't 404 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 4: work hard enough. 405 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,239 Speaker 8: But for me, maybe God has put me on this 406 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 8: earth to not be a guy that played in the 407 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 8: NFL for fifteen years and win a Super Bowl and 408 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 8: do all these things. I still have an unbelievable gift 409 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 8: in my life, which is to be noticed, to be recognized. 410 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 8: And I'm at a point right now where I feel 411 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 8: like there's a lot of good that I can do 412 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 8: in the world with the platform I have, with the 413 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 8: story that I have. My interactions with people since my 414 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 8: documentary has come out has been completely different in what 415 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 8: people say to me on the streets, and it's special, it's. 416 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 4: Powerful, and I am a people person. 417 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 8: I talk to people every single day, whether it's my 418 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,479 Speaker 8: Uber driver, whether it's somebody at a checkout line. I 419 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 8: feel like I am in the position now in my 420 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 8: life to give back, to do good things, and to 421 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 8: be a positive influence, a positive impact that I necessarily 422 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 8: wasn't in the past. So you always play and go 423 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 8: forward with the cards that you're dealt and hopefully, through 424 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 8: time and through effort and through working on myself and 425 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 8: helping other people, I'll look back on it one day 426 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 8: and be proud of what football did for me, rather 427 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 8: than feel disappointed about not going to the playoffs or 428 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 8: being in Super Bowl winning quarterback. 429 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: Well, I mean the Sam Darnold story is a great 430 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: example of he went to a bad organization that did 431 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: not have great leadership, and then he finally goes to 432 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: San Francisco, doesn't play, but he gets Kyle Shanahan and 433 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, this is what a grown up organization feels. 434 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: Like Diego Pavia in yourself, if I said to you, Johnny, 435 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: you would have gone to the Ravens. Really well, run 436 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: a lot of mentors in the building. I mean some 437 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: of some. I could make an argument with Diego Pavia 438 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: and Johnny Manziel ten years ago, some of it was 439 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: where you landed. In fact, Johnny, from twenty ten to 440 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, only three of twenty nine first round quarterbacks 441 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: are still with their teams, Mahomes, Lamar and Josh Well, 442 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: those are all winning organizations. So, like, the bottom line is, 443 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: we're all influenced by our environment. Do you think if 444 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: you would have gone to a place that was stable, 445 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: it may have been different. 446 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 8: I've spoke my piece on Cleveland a long time ago, 447 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 8: and I kind of just let them be what they 448 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 8: are and do what they need to do for themselves. 449 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 4: But I always think about that. But the thing about 450 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 4: me is I had. 451 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 8: No matter who was there on a coaching staff, no 452 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 8: matter how big of a struggling organization it was. I 453 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 8: had Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, Joe Hayden, really good people 454 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 8: in the building tried to get through to me, and 455 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 8: it just wasn't able to happen at that point in 456 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 8: time in my life. You know, I had a lot 457 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 8: of things that went on before the draft. I've spoke 458 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 8: about this a lot of times. So maybe if I 459 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 8: go to a winning organization with a different coaching staff 460 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 8: or GM or you know, front office running a different way, maybe, 461 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 8: but I was still headed down the path where I 462 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 8: needed to get woken up my life. And that's taken 463 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 8: you know, a lot of time, a lot of years. 464 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 8: I've been out of the league for eleven years. A 465 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 8: lot of things have gone on in those ten eleven years. Shoot, 466 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 8: it's been fourteen years since I won the Heisman, so. 467 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 4: Time is flying by. 468 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 8: I'm just growing up and getting into a lot different 469 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 8: places mentally for what I do in my life, what 470 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 8: I enjoyed doing, And you know, it's always a what 471 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 8: if and I don't know, I still think I could 472 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,719 Speaker 8: have would have had a multitude of issues with who 473 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 8: I was as a person at twenty two, twenty three 474 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 8: years old. 475 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: I I like the NIL and like anything that's new. 476 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: You know, people don't know quite how to get their 477 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: arms around it. So everybody complains about the NIL and 478 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: the transfer portal. But I'm kind of like I like 479 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: the idea of college kids getting a little scratch, a 480 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: little lettuce before pros because we used to do documentaries 481 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: on athletes go broke, and you don't see that as 482 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: much because kids they got a little bit of money. 483 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: I like the NIL as a kid that was around 484 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: some money. Do you worry about the NIL and what 485 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: it provides or are you comfortable with it and think 486 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: it helps young athletes. 487 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 8: I talked to Marcel Read about this on my podcast 488 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 8: last week, and I asked him, are the schools and 489 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 8: the programs having financial people come in and talk to you? 490 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 8: Are they making sure your guys are being smart about money. 491 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 8: You have a private jet deal right now, Marsa Reid, 492 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 8: how are you keeping from spending forty thousand to take 493 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 8: the boys and to go on a trip and do 494 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 8: stuff and he said, they do have people come in. 495 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 8: I believe there's probably people in college station and in 496 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 8: these towns that are bankers that are you know, people 497 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 8: that are managing their money, that are trying the best 498 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 8: to make sure these when these kids get early money. 499 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 8: You know, if you're a high school kid and you're 500 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 8: coming out, you could get a million dollars dropped in 501 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 8: your bank. 502 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 4: Account by the time and first day that you get 503 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 4: on campus. That's crazy. I obviously had an experience. 504 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 8: With money very early on, and it took me a 505 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 8: long time to learn about it because I didn't educate myself. 506 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 8: So it still has the ability to go both ways. 507 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 8: It is a lot of money. We're seeing points right 508 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 8: now where there's a roundtable discussion about what's happening with 509 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 8: college football and the playoff. 510 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 4: I know, at the end. 511 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 8: Of this month, as a group of Heisman winners, we're 512 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 8: all going to a location, we're sitting down, they're updating 513 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 8: this on where the Heisman Trophy ceremony fits into this playoff. 514 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 8: You know, where does it fit into the end of 515 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 8: the year now. I think it's something that we are 516 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 8: all very much concerned because as a former winner, we 517 00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 8: love this event. 518 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 4: We love being back. 519 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 8: I love being around the guys and seeing everybody who 520 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 8: comes back. It's a special thing in the history of 521 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 8: college football. 522 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 4: I don't want to see that go away. But there 523 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 4: are things that are constantly changing. It shouldn't be paid 524 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 4: for play. 525 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 8: Guys should get paid to do a commercial or nil 526 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 8: deal or this. 527 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 4: Right now, it's just a wild wild West. 528 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 8: You need some regulations and you need some things for 529 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 8: these college kids to not just have all the power 530 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 8: and run over the game that is college football right now. 531 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 8: It's ridiculous. I think a lot of coaches are sticking 532 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,719 Speaker 8: up about it. You've seen Kyle Para talk about it. 533 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 8: You've seen Dabbo, You've seen Elko, You've seen you know Signetti. 534 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 8: A lot of these guys be like, Yo, this is crazy. 535 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 8: What's going on with tambourine and. 536 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 3: This or that? 537 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 8: And college football right now is run by agents that 538 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 8: may not have a lot of experience, but they're friends 539 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 8: or family friends of somebody who's got with these guys, 540 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 8: and I don't think they're always getting the best advice. 541 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 8: The thing that you can't do as a college athlete 542 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 8: is transfer or get into the transfer portal and then 543 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 8: not find a new home, and then you're back at 544 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 8: home where you started this whole journey without a team, 545 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 8: you may never get back. So it's trend lightly in 546 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 8: this and really it's really benefiting the top guys of 547 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 8: college football. 548 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: The you you went to Texas, A and m but 549 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: you're you're right now in Austin. I've always said, I 550 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: think there's three programs in college football that I love 551 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: when they're good, Miami, Texas, and USC because I think 552 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: they feel like almost like thirty percent NFL. They're big. 553 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: A lot of college programs are rural town, small towns. 554 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: That's great too, But I love that Miami's good. I 555 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: like that Texas is good. But I've always said Texas, 556 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: for all the resources, actually underachieved. They should have like 557 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: nine Natties. What And I said this years ago, I said, 558 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: I think it's too distracting. Austin's too fun. There's the scene, 559 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: there's the food, there's the women, there's the it's just 560 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: this wild, fun town. Is it possible that there's too 561 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,239 Speaker 1: many good things going on in Austin to be as 562 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: good all time as Alabama or Ohio State. 563 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 4: Well, to be honest, it all kind of started in 564 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 4: the twenty ten and twenty eleven recruiting class. 565 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 8: Two thousand and eight two thousand and nine recruiting class. 566 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 8: Texas made some iffy decisions on who they were going 567 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 8: to give the keys to for their team, and they 568 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 8: really really messed up by not offering this quarterback out 569 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 8: of Kerrville Tybee a scholarship. They went through their downhill slide, 570 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 8: and we got to watch it from a Texas A 571 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 8: and M point of view with a big smile on 572 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 8: our faces as they ate it on Saturdays every year 573 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 8: for four or five years. 574 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 4: But look, I understand the usc is, the Miami's, the. 575 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 8: Texas's, they should be better this and that. I am 576 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 8: a bigger fan in college football right now of the 577 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 8: Texas A and MS, the Vanderbilts, the Indianas, the teams 578 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 8: who haven't been good in the past, but the Nila 579 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 8: escape has allowed them an opportunity to change their program 580 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 8: very very fast. With the right coach, the right leadership, 581 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 8: the right money of boosters, you can have Vandy have 582 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 8: a season like they had. You can have Indiana come 583 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 8: back and win a national championship, get a quarterback in 584 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 8: the team like Mendoza, and you go and you knock 585 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 8: off a Miami team who's been dying to get back 586 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 8: to that position since the early two thousands. So I 587 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 8: like the parody of college football. Look, we'll always have 588 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 8: the history of the Texas USC Rose Bowl. We'll always 589 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 8: have the history of you know, the Miami Hurricanes teams 590 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 8: that are some of the best ever. I said this 591 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 8: on the podcast a couple weeks ago. The Big Ten 592 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 8: is kind of running the show in college football right now. 593 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 8: It's taken a lot of power from the SEC and 594 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 8: we'll see if that continues to shift. 595 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: I got to end with this. It's a personal question, 596 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: so you don't have to answer it, but you sound 597 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: so much more mature than ten years ago. And by 598 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: the way, you're older obviously, But in your journey, how 599 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: did you get there? Was it therapy, parenting? Looking in 600 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: the mirror, you sound like a different guy. You've got 601 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: a different perspective. That is really hard to do because 602 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: you not only had some missteps, you were public. It's 603 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,479 Speaker 1: much harder to do when your public and people were 604 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: reminding you of your mistakes. How did you get to today? 605 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 8: Look, I think I've accepted the fact that I'm human, 606 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 8: I make mistakes, I'm really hard on myself. If you 607 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 8: guys don't think I was really hard on myself about 608 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 8: things that were going on in the past that embarrassed myself, 609 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 8: embarrassed my school, embarrassed you know, my family. You know, 610 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 8: I was always raised by a great group of parents 611 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 8: who did a lot for me, who instilled great values. 612 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 8: I went to amazing coaches in my life that instilled 613 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 8: good morals, good values, good things in me. And now 614 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 8: I've done a lot of work on myself. I've spent 615 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 8: a lot of time with therapists. I've worked through a 616 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 8: lot of trauma that we all have in our life, 617 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 8: from the way that we grew up, from things that 618 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 8: may have happened with your parents, from instances in life 619 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 8: that you couldn't always control. You know, I couldn't control 620 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 8: certain things that happened to me in my life, and 621 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 8: there was a lot of things that I could that 622 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 8: I didn't do right. So from there, I've taken an 623 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 8: honest assessment and an honest look at my life and 624 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 8: what's transpired, what I did to myself, what other people 625 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 8: did to me, and I look at it through a 626 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 8: very honest lens, And to be honest, I look at 627 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 8: situations now in life from not only my perspective, but 628 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 8: from how this may affect somebody else, or if this 629 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 8: decision is made, what does it mean for this or that? 630 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 8: And look, I hold myself to my own own standard. 631 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 8: I was raised in a church. I feel like I 632 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 8: have more religion in my life. I have better friends 633 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 8: that surround me. I have a passion and a purpose 634 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 8: in my life of things that I want to do 635 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 8: moving forward that get me out of bed every day 636 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 8: and that move me. I'm in a great place in 637 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 8: every sense of the way, work wise, family wise, where 638 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 8: I live, what I have going on in my life, 639 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 8: and I'm proud of those things. And there's one thing 640 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 8: about me is I appreciate Hasselback and what he had 641 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 8: to say that got me here last week. I appreciate 642 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 8: you for having the perspective that you had on things. 643 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 8: And I'm a writer for my friends. You have always 644 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 8: been good to me. I appreciate you having me come 645 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 8: on the show. And more than anything, like I said, 646 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 8: I want to spread a great message of when you 647 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 8: come into my life and you have me on your show, 648 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 8: I want you to feel like, man, that guy is 649 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 8: doing better in life. He has grown up and if 650 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 8: you come into my life and interact with me in 651 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 8: the streets, I want you to leave with a you know, 652 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 8: interaction with me that was funny, that was fun, and 653 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 8: that made you feel good and have a good time. 654 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 8: And That's what I'm going to continue to do for 655 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 8: the rest of my life. 656 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: Wow, great perspective. Good for you. Hey, you know what, 657 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: let me ask you a football question before we go. 658 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza not a great athlete. People say it's a 659 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: little dorky, whatever, so was Andrew Luck. What do you 660 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: make of him just as a player? What do you 661 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: make of him? 662 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 4: Yeah? I think he's to continue to get better. 663 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 8: I think he throws, as I was watching him at 664 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 8: the National Championship game, throws a really good ball, has 665 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 8: a lot of zip on his passes, reads coverage very well. 666 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 8: He obviously had some good help at the receiver point, 667 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 8: and the team that they had last year at Indiana. 668 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 8: The situation he's going into is going to call for 669 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 8: a lot of patients. But brock Bauers, you know, gent 670 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 8: rebuild some of the offensive line, get a defense, you 671 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 8: keep Max Crosby, like, have some patience with it. 672 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 4: And I feel like this kid is going to be 673 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 4: very good. 674 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 8: He more than impressed me being around him at the Heisman. 675 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 8: We have continued our relationship since then, and I've talked 676 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 8: to him, you know, a lot, through this period of 677 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 8: the NFL Draft. 678 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 4: He's a great kid. I wish him nothing but the best. 679 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff, Johnny. Really appreciate it. You gave us 680 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 1: twenty minutes you didn't have to, and God speed, good 681 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: luck to you. You're always welcome on the show. If 682 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: you want to promote something, call us, we'll put you on. 683 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: I'd love to have you on during the season. You've 684 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: got great insight. 685 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 4: For sure, for sure. 686 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 8: Yeah, anytime. Thank you guys, Thank you to your STA everybody. 687 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 8: Thanks for letting me come on the Herd. 688 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: Much love you, bet Johnny Manzel, Johnny Football, who has 689 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,800 Speaker 1: really turned his life around. And good for him. 690 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 4: Good. 691 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: You know. It was funny when I reached out. I thought, 692 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: you know, we've been critical of him. You know, this 693 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: is I talk. He's an athlete. 694 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 2: I talk. 695 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: I try to be fair and I thought, yeah, he 696 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: probably not going to be comfortable, and boom, he said, 697 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,399 Speaker 1: you absolutely, I want to talk about it. So good 698 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: for him. Kind of transformational to listen to him from 699 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: ten years ago, right like, wow, you know, put his 700 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: head down, got some therapy, looked in the mirror. Different 701 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 1: dude he'd be you know, he'd be a I'm telling you, 702 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: if you didn't see him play at Texas, A and 703 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,280 Speaker 1: M like he was. I mean, there's been a handful 704 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: of college quarterbacks Johnny Manziel, Cam Newton, Tommy Fraser at Nebraska, 705 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: you know Tim Tebow that you're just watching him and 706 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,800 Speaker 1: you're not sure it's going to work at the next level, 707 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: but it really works at the college level. And I 708 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: mean he was just dude, he was just different. He 709 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: was one of the first quarterbacks that Nick Saban put 710 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: his hands in the air, is like, yeah, I can't 711 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: I can't stop this guy. Johnny Football, that is a 712 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: great nickname of all the of all the football nicknames, 713 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: Johnny Football is pretty damn strong.