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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always

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Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. Uh. That's our one and

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Speaker 1: only super producer, Mr Max Williams. They called me Ben.

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Speaker 1: I have had my share of adventures, as have you, Noel.

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Speaker 1: But this guy, this guy might have a speed by

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I think he's got a lot of

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Speaker 1: people beat to the point where, at least in the

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Speaker 1: headline of our research document, he is referred to as

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Speaker 1: the most interesting man in the world, an honorific that

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't take lightly a stowing on somebody or having

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Speaker 1: a get a stowe upon me. I would consider that

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Speaker 1: to be quite a responsibility. The man, the interesting man,

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Speaker 1: most interesting man potentially in question today is Peter uh Fresian.

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Speaker 1: I think that's right. Yeah, we're gonna go with Fraisian.

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Speaker 1: What are you saying, Yeah, let's go with Freusan there. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He was born Lorenz Peter Alfred Freusian, So even his

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Speaker 1: name is super interesting. He's kind of starting on first

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Speaker 1: base with that one. But but this what I love

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Speaker 1: about this story, Knowll, is that oftentimes we find that

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Speaker 1: historical heroes are problematic in some way, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. There are problems with Mother Teresa, there are

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Speaker 1: problems with so many folks who were lauded, especially as

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Speaker 1: explorers during the age of European expansion. But our boy

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Speaker 1: Pete is surprisingly progressive. His legacy has aged incredibly well.

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Speaker 1: And spoiler, there is one part of this story that

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Speaker 1: all three of us are very excited for. And this

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Speaker 1: is kind of a reward for us. But maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: before we get to the part that really drew us,

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Speaker 1: because we're so uh, we're three very mature guys. Is uh,

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe we start with just who this giant of

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Speaker 1: a man was, and it was pretty much a giant

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Speaker 1: the ma tourists. That's that's what we are. I will

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Speaker 1: say that the part that you're alluding to, Ben, when

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Speaker 1: I first read it, I had to do a double

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Speaker 1: take and make sure that my brain was in fact

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Speaker 1: processing words correctly. I did end up finding out that

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Speaker 1: that it was in fact, and then I ate a

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Speaker 1: cookie to reward myself for being a cognizant human being.

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Speaker 1: I watched a video on this. I was watching it

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Speaker 1: while I was eating. I made some muscles and fries

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Speaker 1: for lunch today, guys. Uh, so that's a very hoity

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Speaker 1: it's it's had the cheap end. Muscles are pretty affordable

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Speaker 1: at your local grocery store. Have you ever heard someone

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Speaker 1: describe and off muscle as tasting quote Horsey, Yes, actually

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Speaker 1: of tastes the way horse poop smells yep, yep, and

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Speaker 1: smell and taste are intertwined. So just remember whenever you

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Speaker 1: spell something, you're actually tasting it a little bit too. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna change your position on farts. But that's a

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Speaker 1: great way to set up set up where we're going.

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Speaker 1: So so, yes, this guy Pete is actually a tremendously

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Speaker 1: cool person. He's he's not born into privilege. He is

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Speaker 1: when we say he's a giant, he's a giant in

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Speaker 1: many ways at the end of his life, but in

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Speaker 1: the beginning, he's He's like six and a half feet tall,

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Speaker 1: He's got a mountain Man beer for most of his

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Speaker 1: Oh that's why I brought off the muscles, because I

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Speaker 1: was eating those while his watch in a video about

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Speaker 1: this pivotal moment we're gonna explore. And you guys know,

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Speaker 1: I have a strong stomach. I'm a walking garbage can

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Speaker 1: take a walk real quick. Not exactly, but definitely required

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Speaker 1: a moment of reflection. Oh A hundred percent. A hundred percent,

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Speaker 1: my friends. So another thing you might recognize, folks, is

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Speaker 1: that often throughout history, when you hear stories of people

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Speaker 1: who are explorers, people who are having all these adventures

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Speaker 1: But he cannot resist that call, can't he ben No, No,

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Speaker 1: So it's a wonderful little poem. I do recommend it

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he can't deny it. He says, all right,

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Speaker 1: He first lights out for Greenland. He's working as a

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Speaker 1: stoker on a steamship and I'm correct me if I'm

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Speaker 1: like his American English language debut. But I think that's

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Speaker 1: the Royal Navy used the rank structure ordinary Stoker, Stoker,

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Speaker 1: with novels, man, I feel you. Oh, and sketch comedy.

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Speaker 1: cold have the same effect on human discharge? Repulsive was

422
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: the thought it was. I decided to try the experiment.

423
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: I moved my bowels and from the excrement, I managed

424
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: the fashion she's like instrument, which I left to freeze.

425
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: I was patient. I did not want to risk breaking

426
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: my new tool by using it too soon. At last,

427
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: I decided to try my chisel and it worked. He

428
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: shot himself on purpose to freedom. Yeah, I'm just envisioning that.

429
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: He's like he has like, you know, make the chisel

430
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: out of it. So not only does he like, you know,

431
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: shut himself, he has like play with it, like putty

432
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: like it. It's like it's like it's it's just like

433
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: playto you know this format. It's it's you know that

434
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: does he try a little like plaint because you know,

435
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 1: you gotta always eat a little bit of plaint? Oh

436
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: I know, now, macks back, that's too far. That's infringing

437
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: on this. This is Brian Man's character. No, let's just

438
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: picture this. First of all, he's there in the tightly

439
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: packed you know, I see you know, Tom right, and

440
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: he you know, but he's Still, you can't just make

441
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: yourself poop. I mean you gotta like go through a

442
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: little ritual and make a little face, you know, and

443
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: then there and then there it comes, and then he

444
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: has to acquire it. I picture him rolling it between

445
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 1: his hands like when you make a snake with Plato,

446
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: and then just kind of like pinching the ends and

447
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: then tapering it down and rolling your hands up to

448
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: the top at the end so it gets to a

449
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: nice point. I mean, I think that's a realistic, uh

450
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: interpretation of what he how he would have done this,

451
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: how did he like sharpen it? And then also you know, um,

452
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: not being doctors, we're gonna say he's pretty lucky that

453
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: he wasn't constipated. And then I think, God, he didn't

454
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: have diarrhea exactly. That's what I was thinking too. I

455
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: was like, you can't I don't know. Well, uh, I

456
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: hope and poop find a way, I guess. But that's

457
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: that really happened, or some version of it really happened,

458
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: because we know for a fact he did make it

459
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: out of that ic tun Uh. He paid for it.

460
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: His feet are frostbitten a f and Gang Green sets

461
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 1: it on one foot and I didn't know this, but

462
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: the standard, like the native remedy for frostbite and gang

463
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: green at this time was to make a poultice of

464
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: skin from freshly slaughtered lemmings. And yeah, this really that's

465
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: a deep cut, the panimal gingdom cut. The the uh

466
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: the nurse that he finds is putting is changing lemming

467
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: skins out on a regular basis on his foot that

468
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: has gang green. But every time she takes one skin

469
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: off and replaces it, it takes more muscle and flesh

470
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: from his toes. And eventually like, look, you know, you're

471
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: already delirious, you almost died, and he edny already self

472
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: like amputated some of his toes like uh, you know,

473
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: in advance, kind of knowing that, like the things weren't

474
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: looking good, Like I believe he did that himself, right,

475
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: that's the moment. Yeah, so here's what I heard. So

476
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: the he and the nurse at this moment where they

477
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: see the toes or they see the skeleton stumps because

478
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: the skin is gone. And then and the nurse says,

479
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: there's not a doctor here. I guess I could try.

480
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: I can just bite off the nubs for you if

481
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: you want at which point he even Pete says, that's

482
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: a little too adventurous for me. So without anesthetic, without

483
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: any kind of pain killer, without even like alcohol, he

484
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: takes a big pair of pincers and a hammer and

485
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: uh and takes him off one by one. No, no,

486
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: no not. The sounds probably be a little bit squishier

487
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: than that. That's how it sounded a cartoon. Um, but

488
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: this is not a cartoon. This was real life. How hardcore.

489
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: I think this might be the most hardcore story we've

490
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: ever done in terms of like, this is like what's

491
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: that does Stephen King? Short story where there's like the

492
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: doctor who's by himself, like on an island and he

493
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: slowly has to like cut pieces off his own body

494
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: and eat them to stay alive. Oh yeah, was that

495
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: Stephen King? Stephen King? I think it's in like one.

496
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: It's in one of those collections. I can't remember the story,

497
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: but yeah, that happens. Um. This isn't quite that intense,

498
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: but it's it's certainly making me think of that this

499
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: dude med business. He also was a teetotaller, so I

500
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: think he could have used alcohol to um the pain.

501
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: But you want to walk back his principle. I will

502
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: tell you ben at this as a twenty one days

503
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: into dry January, I feel much more likely that I

504
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: might become an Arctic explorer. No, it could happen, maybe

505
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: next month. But yeah, man, hardcore dude. This guy's name

506
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: should be written out like one of those metal band

507
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: logos where you can't understand what the word you know,

508
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: that's this dude. Man, he's yeah and he um that.

509
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: That was perhaps his most dramatic run in with death,

510
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: but according to the more than a baker's dozen of

511
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: memoirs he wrote, he was always about to die. He

512
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: got trapped for in an avalanche for several days. His

513
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: feet survived that one. A cook almost shot him because

514
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, he's a six and a half foot tall

515
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: guy wearing the skin of a polar bear. Not maybe

516
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: the most clever thing when for meeting strangers, he fell

517
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: through a hole in the ice that he had to

518
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: have a sled dogs pull him out. He stabbed himself

519
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: with a harpoon accidentally. Okay, I was about to say,

520
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 1: why he just stand the whale? Yeah exactly. I mean

521
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: I would not put it past him. Man, This guy

522
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: was serious, dude, serious dude, and like we said before,

523
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: he found this thing called the Adventurer's Club. Adventure were

524
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: the sort of a rural juror kind of thing to say,

525
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: and he had produced and acted in in the pictures Hollywood.

526
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: He he got into the film industry because again he

527
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: was a pretty talented writer and they were thirsty for

528
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: these kinds of stories. So he he wrote scripts and

529
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: he consulted on the scripts for other things too, but

530
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: especially for movies related to the frozen tundra of the Arctic.

531
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: Is that is that the tundra? Am? I am I

532
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: getting my my surface materials mixed up? Yeah? No, I

533
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: think tundra makes sense. It's the coldest biome. It has

534
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: very little precipitation, so it's like the desert. So it's

535
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: I think the tundra is just below the Arctic ice caps. Well,

536
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: I think it works for my purposes here. And in

537
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty three, UM one of the most well known

538
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: films that he was involved in came out called Eskimo

539
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: and actually that I'm going on to win the Academy

540
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: Award UM In the UK and Australia, it's known as

541
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: Mala the Magnificent. He actually played a small in it

542
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: as an evil sea captain h which you know fits

543
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: given the guy's stature and um, you know, fondness for

544
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: long coats and the beard of course. Yeah, and this

545
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: is this is interesting because it also makes it the

546
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: first Academy Award winning film to be in a language

547
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: of the native people here. So he was doing a

548
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: lot of he was doing a lot of progressive first,

549
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, Unfortunately, the movie kind

550
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: of bombed even though like one, you know, it was

551
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: it was an Awards darling and it was very not

552
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: progressively repackaged as Eskimo Wife Traders. A studio decision, it

553
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: has to be. Yeah, I'm sure he was not happy

554
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: about that. I don't think so. Uh. He did still

555
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: despite the commercial failure of that film, he did still

556
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: make a great impression in Hollywood, California. He befriended notable

557
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: celebrity he's and actors like Gene Harlow. Uh. There was

558
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: this party trick he would do where he would pick

559
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: up actors in like with both his hands, hold them

560
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: up and then twirl them around. And Gene Harlow in

561
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: particular love this. The Harlow situations were because he almost

562
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: got in trouble for this. Lewis Mayor, big time studio head,

563
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: called Peter to his office the next Monday and was like, Hey,

564
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 1: you can't do that. That's making one of our top

565
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: names look salacious, right, look as it looks like a

566
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: woman of ailable repute. And why because he because he

567
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: picked her up and spun her around. Well, here's the thing.

568
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: Apparently Meyer did have a reason to be kind of

569
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: mad because the photographs he had, photographs that the press

570
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: had taken of this uh toss and spin thing. And yeah,

571
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: and it appears to have, um, it appears to have

572
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: clearly indicated Harlow's interest or lack of interest in wearing

573
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: under Oh no, like a Paris Hilton Limo shot. I

574
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: I think I'm picking up the reference putting down. I

575
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: would agree, Yeah I heard, I heard about that. Okay, Um,

576
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 1: but yeah, at the time that would have absolutely Okay,

577
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: there you go, Ben. I understand now he wasn't so

578
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: much against the party trick as as what it revealed yikes. Okay,

579
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: but still his reputation in Hollywood was not like smirched

580
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: too badly. Um. He of course continued in his life,

581
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: being intensely interested in traveling, into the mid to late

582
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: nineteen thirties. He spent time in South Africa and also Siberia.

583
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: UM check out the Vintage News dot com right up

584
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: about freud Sen. Uh if you don't mind really great picture.

585
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: He just looks like a quintessential sea captain. He's like

586
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: the guy from I Know What You Did Last Summer,

587
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: except you know, nicer and and like savagery with a hook.

588
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, Ian Harvey wrote a really cool piece for

589
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: the Vintage News with an awesome spread of photos of

590
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: the guy and some of his adventure So highly recommend

591
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: checking that one out. And this is amazing. I love

592
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: that he has founded this adventurers club. He also does

593
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: some more absolutely badass stuff like we have to Okay, first,

594
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: let's just recap one of the first and most influential

595
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: European explorers in the Arctic. Uh. He is tremendously progressive

596
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: in his attitudes, doesn't seem to suffer some of the

597
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: same racism. Right. He marries a local person. Uh. He

598
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: doesn't back down from the Christian Church and breaks He

599
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: does opposite of a heist at a Christian church. He

600
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: saves himself with his own poop. He conducts surgery on himself.

601
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: He becomes a Hollywood star. Uh, he starts an adventure club,

602
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: and then World War two happens. And World War two

603
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: this is where you really see his character shine. So

604
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: we know that he was against racial discrimination even when

605
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: it was incredibly normalized and accepted. And and uh, apparently

606
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: anytime somebody said something dirty about Jewish people, he would

607
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: approach them and definitely lead into his six and a

608
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: half foot tall frame and say, it's funny you're talking

609
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: about Jewish people. I myself from Jewish. Yes, check out

610
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: my hook. Yeah. He reserved the hook for anti Semites. Yeah.

611
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: And he also appeared to go counter to the prevailing

612
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: attitude of the time with dudes. Uh, and that he

613
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: was not a misogynist. I like, is he just a

614
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: better person than most people? I'm starting to think that.

615
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: You know, he was active in resistance to the Nazi

616
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: occupation of Denmark. He was so good at this despite Oh,

617
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: by the by the way, the frost bite that took

618
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: his those also took that leg. So he's on a

619
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: peg leg at this point, and he's still on some

620
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: as we say and find out. So you mentioned, you know,

621
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 1: his attitude towards Jewish people right before the Second World War. Well,

622
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: he was so influential and so kind of became this

623
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: like almost figurehead of tolerance uh and and progressiveness that

624
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: Adolf Hitler himself did not care for the man, let's

625
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: just say. And during World War Two, um Fristion became

626
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: embroiled in kind of a political kerfuffle because of his

627
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: kind of you know, maybe involuntary role as this kind

628
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: of like activist um for the rights of Jewish people,

629
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: anti Nazism and all that. Hitler saw this guy and

630
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: his stature and he ordered that he be captured and

631
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: and murdered. Also, all those books that he wrote we

632
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: talked about. The Third Reich of course banned those. Uh

633
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: Fristion was a died in France during the you know,

634
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: when the Nazis were occupying it. But he escaped, That's

635
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: all we have. By the way he escaped the Nazis.

636
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: Did he use a weapon fashioned from his own excrement

637
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: this time too, We'll never know. He made a poop

638
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: gun and he's like I've got his I got more

639
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: bullets than you think. I was eating those prison beans

640
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: for a week, you know, like like that one in

641
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: the line of fire you know, grown ups guys. But

642
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: thankfully his digestion was just fine. It was just fun.

643
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: He was definitely regular. I mean, you you know you're

644
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: rough that out there on the wilderness, you're gonna be

645
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: eating plenty of fiber. So probably something to think about

646
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: if you ever go a spelunking or whatever. Shout out

647
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: to thirty seven Days of peril uh in Federal where

648
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: you will meet someone who is much less efficient in

649
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: the wild than our boy Pete. But okay, so I

650
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: love that image. We're not sure how he escaped, but

651
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: in n after he is gabs and he flees to Sweden.

652
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: From there he ends up going to the US with

653
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: his new wife, his third wife, a Danish Jewish fashion

654
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: illustrator named Dagmar Cone. Uh. There they get married in

655
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: the Big Apple and Cone has a job working for Vogue.

656
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: She was doing like illustrations that made it on the cover.

657
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: She was a big deal. And this is where some

658
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: of those pictures that you mentioned earlier Noel come into play,

659
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: because this guy still looks very much like a wild man,

660
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: an outdoorsman. He's like almost sixty now. He's joined the

661
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: New York Explorers Club and they still have to this

662
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: day a painting of him hanging on the wall. He also, oh, right,

663
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: the Last Flex, which is a good name for a film. Uh,

664
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 1: the Last Fix is this? In nineteen fifty six, he

665
00:40:53,560 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: wins a game show called the sixty four thousand Dollar Question. Yeah. Yeah,

666
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: that was a lot of money at that time. It's

667
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: still a lot of money today, but bigger jackpots than that.

668
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: To have that speed, they'd have to like up it

669
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: in the name too, And maybe I think it's more

670
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: than half a million. I think, uh yeah, I went

671
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: with inflation and all that. Yeah, And I only just

672
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: recently figured out how deal or no Deal works. I

673
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: was getting my oil change in a Jiffy loob and

674
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: it was on and I like just kind of looked perplexed,

675
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: and somebody like in the waiting room kind of had

676
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: pity on me and explained to me how deal or

677
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: no Deal worked. And then I was like, I couldn't

678
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: look away. You gotta know about the deal. It's all

679
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: about probability. That's what the guy told me. Was solicited.

680
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: I think, I said to my kids, and I've never

681
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: understood what this is all about. And this guy goes,

682
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: excuse me, Um, it's all about probability. I'm like, elaborate please.

683
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: I love it, Lanta. I love the way that people

684
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: you know, we're very lucky. This doesn't happen in a

685
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: lot of other places, a lot of other countries, or

686
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: even though there are a lot of other place places

687
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: in the US, but Atlanta. If you've never visited, our

688
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: fair metropolis is a place where it is assumed that

689
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: you will likely end up in a casual conversation when

690
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: you happen to be standing next to anyone for more

691
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: than about three minutes. You know, like and and strangers will.

692
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: This is the town where I get the most. This

693
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: is the US town where I get the most unsolicited compliments.

694
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: And they're not you know, creepy gross compliments or whatever that. Uh.

695
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: I remember I was walking into a local store here

696
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: and I went to just pick up stuff that was

697
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: going to cook, and uh, the cashier when I was

698
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 1: walking up, it's like there he is. Ah, it's the director.

699
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh me, what do you mean

700
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, you know, like you your sweater,

701
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: you look like you you're a director or something, and uh,

702
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: I was very flattering. So if you get a chance

703
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: to give strangers a non creepy compliment and sincere, that's cool,

704
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: and that guy was trying to help, right, No, he

705
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: was like, was he trying to help? You thought he's

706
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: trying to help. He's trying to help. He wasn't being

707
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: a jerk. As I followed up with some questions, questions,

708
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: and it really made the time pass a lot quicker

709
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: while I was waiting for my old change because I

710
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: understood what Howie Mandel was going on about with his shiny,

711
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: shiny bald head and his suitcases. I wish he would

712
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: do what was that movie where he played a monster

713
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: that comes out under little monsters? I wish he would

714
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: do Deal or No Deal in his little monster's costumes.

715
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: I wish he would do Deal or No Deal in

716
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: the voice that he does for Bobby's World the whole time,

717
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: just inexplicably sounding like a small little child. If he

718
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: does both of those at the same time, then I'm

719
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: gonna watch Deal or No Deal every day and next

720
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 1: week on David Lynch TV. Right right, So with this,

721
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: with these adventures that he has had, he has also

722
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: given a number of civic awards, one of which is

723
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: the Gold Medal of the International Benjamin Franklin Society for

724
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: his general Sir VI, his demandkind he has for his

725
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: last days are what we count as very peaceful for him,

726
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,479
Speaker 1: probably some of the most peaceful days of his life

727
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: since his childhood. Uh. He eventually dies of a heart

728
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: attack when he's seventy one and nine seven. He's just

729
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: completed a book called Book of the Seven Seas, and

730
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: he's actually walking toward a playing in Alaska because he's

731
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: off on some other adventures. He's just like a Bilbo

732
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: Baggins type figure, you know. He finishes his book and

733
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: then gets spirited away to the elves where he can

734
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: die in peace and just kind of disappears, right, Yeah,

735
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: kind of what happens. Well, it's uh, it's also a

736
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: remarkably peaceful ending. I mean, heart attacks are terrible thing,

737
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: but it's remarkably peaceful ending when you consider all the

738
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: other ways it could go. Um right right now, I

739
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: think as of Deadline was reporting that the Berkowitz brothers,

740
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: through their company Not a Billionaire, are trying to make

741
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: a limited series based on Pete's life. Yeah, I saw

742
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: that bad. I don't know who the Berkowitz brothers are.

743
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: They're not related to like the serial killer Berkowitz. Are they?

744
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: I hope not, because I will not be watching their program. No, no, uh,

745
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I shouldn't cancel the Berkowitz brothers. It wasn't

746
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: their fault there other sibling was a nut. You know.

747
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: They should be allowed to make limited television series all

748
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: they want. Everybody should be allowed to make a limited

749
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: television series. Come on, that's what that's what the future is. Uh.

750
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 1: This this concludes our story for now. They we'll probably

751
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: talk about this whenever we get a chance to see

752
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: the limited series. But I wanted to. I know we

753
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: always thank people at the end of this, but I

754
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: wanted to give an especial thanks to all three of

755
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: us for staying relatively on the rails when we got

756
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: to the poop knife part. I thought we did a

757
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: pretty good job. So thanks to us. Well, I mean,

758
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: let's not forget it's a hairing situation. It's like, we know,

759
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: he survived. I mean, he was horribly mangled, but I

760
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: still he would have wanted it this way. He would

761
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: have wanted to give us joy. I think, you know

762
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: with and let's think about this way. He was wearing

763
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: gloves most likely while he was doing it, so it

764
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: wasn't like it was getting directly on his hands. That's

765
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: your takeaway thinking, well, I think like there's not a

766
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: lot of room under a dog sled. That no, the poop,

767
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: God everywhere, How did he get from his pants? I

768
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: thank god he wasn't traveling with Kate Winslets. You would

769
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: have made him like sit outside and freeze to death.

770
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: Oh god, there was enough room on that flots Um

771
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: that's the word for floating ship debris. I love that word.

772
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: What about jetsam, I think the same thing. Are they

773
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: just they're just like their parting parcel was flotsom and jetsam.

774
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: They usually come in pairs, flots them. It's kind of

775
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: like slag type versus stalagmite. I think, uh, flots some

776
00:46:55,120 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 1: floats and jets some sinks. Yes back that. I've literally

777
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: never understood the distinction between these two things until now,

778
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: So thank you, my friend. There's also a band called

779
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: Flotsam and Jetsam, an American metal band from Phoenix, Arizona,

780
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: founded in nineteen eighty one. Also to confirm Entombed is

781
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: a American metal band. American I pretty much knew that

782
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: they are. They are They perhaps Danish late. Let me

783
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: correct myself because I wanted to check. I don't want

784
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: to mislead anybody the when I'm looking at some official

785
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: like Merchant Marine website stuff like that, they're saying that

786
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: the real definition of flotsam and jetsam goes into the

787
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: intention behind it. Flotsam was not deliberately thrown overboard, that

788
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: it was a shipbreaker at accident, but jets Jenson Jennison Jennison,

789
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: thank you, Betty, Oh my god? That okay? All right,

790
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: Well I think we got there. And by the way,

791
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: Entombed is definitely a death metal band from Sweden, so

792
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: not too far off from Denmark, right unless I'm really

793
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 1: bad at geography, which I am. No, you're the indro,

794
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: you're the right areas. You know, you're in the right region. Um,

795
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: is there tundra? There's always tundra somewhere, you know, got it?

796
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: So uh this so this has been a wild ride

797
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: for us. You went a little long on this one,

798
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: but we do hope you enjoyed it at least a

799
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 1: fraction as much as we did. Thanks to super producer

800
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: Max Williams. Thanks to Alex Williams uh Our who is

801
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,479
Speaker 1: soon to be like our official traveling correspondent. I think

802
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 1: unofficial traveling correspondent. He composed this slapping track, He sure did,

803
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: thanks to Jonathan Strickland. The quiz to Christopher Hastio, Sives,

804
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 1: Jeff Coates here in Spirit, Gabe Louisier, You, Max Williams,

805
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: Ben Bowling, the whole Ridiculous family, which also includes Uh,

806
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: Eli and Diana from Ridiculous Romance. They're also going to

807
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: be hanging out with us very soon. Oh that's right, yes,

808
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: And we're gonna be hanging out on their show so

809
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: that we can, you know, learn learn their tricks and

810
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 1: their comedic timing. I also want to give a one

811
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: time shout out to a new nemesis that apparently had

812
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 1: for a while and was not aware. Uh, Sam McVey,

813
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,439
Speaker 1: Sam and Annie's stuff. Mom never told you, so check

814
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: out their show, Uh and Noel, thank you so much.

815
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: This is like I love when we do these sorts

816
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: of stories together because we're both such fans of the

817
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: cinematic and the adventurous, and I think these these stories

818
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: really shine for us. Boy do they ever shine on you,

819
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: Crazy Diamond. We'll see you next time. For more podcasts

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