WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Donald Crowhurst

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<v Speaker 1>Thinking Sideways. I don't know. You never know stories of

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<v Speaker 1>things we simply don't know the answer too. Hi there,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another hard hitting episode of Thinking Sideways, the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast that takes No prisoners. I'm Joe, joined as always

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<v Speaker 1>with my lovely co host and Steve. Yeah. I get

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<v Speaker 1>to be the lovely one this time, you do. They're

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<v Speaker 1>just being nice to me today. It's fine if you're

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<v Speaker 1>quite attractive. Yeah. So we're gonna like, we're gonna solve

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<v Speaker 1>another mystery today. So you guys ready, Yeah? Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let me start from the top. This is about a

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<v Speaker 1>guy named Donald Crowhurst, British guy. And before I go

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<v Speaker 1>any further, I want to give a shout out to

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<v Speaker 1>our listener Karen, who suggested this, So thanks Karen. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this one's been in a hopper for a while. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been on a hopper for a long time. Karen,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows she might not even be listening anymore, of

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<v Speaker 1>course she is. We've betterr addicted. Okay, let's talk about

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Crowhurst. October thirty one nine, Mr Crowhurst sets sail

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<v Speaker 1>from the town of Tyne with England to sail his

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<v Speaker 1>forty foot single massive Trymaran Trymaran the Tynemoth Electron around

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<v Speaker 1>the world as part of the contest. So let me

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<v Speaker 1>give you a back some backgrounds to when this began.

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<v Speaker 1>In the spring of nineteen, the Sunday Times of London

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<v Speaker 1>announced to challenge, which they called the Golden Globe NonStop

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<v Speaker 1>around the World yacht race. They challenged volunteers to come

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<v Speaker 1>forward and tackle this because it was no not just NonStop,

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<v Speaker 1>but by yourself single handed. Yeah, so go figure only

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<v Speaker 1>nine people actually step forward to take part of this offer. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, the first band to make a home would

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<v Speaker 1>win the Golden Globe whatever that is. And I assume

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<v Speaker 1>it's different from the Golden Global Awards we have here,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's definitely different. Yeah. And then there was also

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<v Speaker 1>a five five thousand pound prize, which five thousand pounds

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<v Speaker 1>is about eighty thousand pounds today, which roughly about a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and sixty right around there, So five thousand dollar

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<v Speaker 1>prize for whoever had the fastest time or in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, their nine step forward, but five of the

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<v Speaker 1>nine dropped out early, so I'm not gonna bother telling

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<v Speaker 1>you their names. But oh and if you're wondering why

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<v Speaker 1>the Sunday Times decided to do this. They there was

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<v Speaker 1>a guy at Francis Chichester who had done this the

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<v Speaker 1>year before under the sponsorship of another British paper, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a big, big sensation. Uh, it really bumped

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<v Speaker 1>into the paper sales and stuff like this, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they thought it then a little, a little, a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of invitation would be good. So Chichester did it,

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<v Speaker 1>and he did it in a fairly decent amount of time.

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<v Speaker 1>And he did but he stopped on the way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you just stopped to make repairs exactly. What's just like

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<v Speaker 1>when you think about it, getting around the world NonStop

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<v Speaker 1>without going on shore to get supplies and make repairs.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's like, well, and I think what people

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<v Speaker 1>need to keep in mind is that the route that

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<v Speaker 1>these guys are taking is there. They're sailing from England

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<v Speaker 1>south then going around the Horn of Africa and basically

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<v Speaker 1>staying in Do they call it the Roaring forties? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that the latitude where that's yeah, that's roughly the Roaring forties,

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<v Speaker 1>But if you when you go around Cape Horn, you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're in the Furious fifties, Yes, which are terrible sea.

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually been at Tierra del Fuegos, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've experienced that win and that was in January, which

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<v Speaker 1>is their summertime, and it was incredibly ferocious, unbelievable, So

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<v Speaker 1>no wonder that, you know, as he's sailing through that area,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he rounded the tip of South Africa. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's where he stopped to make repairs. Is that correct, Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember where he stopped, or you might have

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<v Speaker 1>stopped in Australia, which but he had to stop because

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<v Speaker 1>or something. But this, this is the thing that really

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<v Speaker 1>kind of nestifies me about this particular race, is why

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<v Speaker 1>they had them go to the route that they did.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the Roaring forties and the Furious fifties basically circumnavigate

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<v Speaker 1>the South Pole. They go around there and theything the

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<v Speaker 1>they go around it from west to east. And so

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<v Speaker 1>when you're in a sailboat, you want to and you're

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<v Speaker 1>in really gusty, strong winds like that, you want to

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<v Speaker 1>be heading into the wind and not running off the wind,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you're running off the wind and a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>huge gust hits you and you've got a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>cloth out, then it can rip your rip your mast off,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas if you're heading into the wind, then your boat

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<v Speaker 1>just lays down and it comes back up again. So

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<v Speaker 1>so you're saying that they should have had them go

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite way around. They should have had them go

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite way around. Yeah, that's what I would do.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd sneak to Panama. Yeah, of course these guys are.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course you've got two guys in this race

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<v Speaker 1>who were doing raymer Rands and a tramar Ran going

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<v Speaker 1>into the wind around Cape Horn, for example. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how well that would do. They probably would just

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<v Speaker 1>flip right over and is a three whole boat essentially exactly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to talk about the tremor Ran in

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<v Speaker 1>the second here. But so anyway, the times, we're kind

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<v Speaker 1>of going all over the place here, but the times

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<v Speaker 1>essentially that was a motivation for doing this was publicity.

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<v Speaker 1>And as I said, they got nine takers there then

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<v Speaker 1>five of them dropped out early. So the remaining four

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<v Speaker 1>were a French sailor named Bernard Monteschier, a former British

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<v Speaker 1>former merchant seaman named Robin Knox Johnston, and a former

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<v Speaker 1>naval officer named Nigel Tetley. I like that name. Is

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<v Speaker 1>so British. Yeah. And also the fourth guy, guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Crowhurst, who was an amateur. I mean, he was

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<v Speaker 1>a guy. He's a guy that's like sailed in the

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<v Speaker 1>English Channel and stuff. He's not he'd never actually made

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<v Speaker 1>an ocean crossing the sailboat. He's a weekend yeah yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a competent enough sailor. But now he was he was

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<v Speaker 1>he was taking out a big project here. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about Donald Crowhurst. He was an entrepreneur

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<v Speaker 1>and an amateur sailor, and he had started a small

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<v Speaker 1>computer business which was called Electron Utilization Limited. He and

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<v Speaker 1>he invented. He was an inventor and tinker, and he

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<v Speaker 1>invented device called the Navigator, which is a radio direction

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<v Speaker 1>to finding device that actually I don't know if it

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<v Speaker 1>was actually the Navigator or the lore m, but it

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<v Speaker 1>eventually became widely used. And so it basically triangulated on

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<v Speaker 1>radio signals from shore to tell you what your position

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<v Speaker 1>replace the compass. Yeah, and we're talking this is GPS

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<v Speaker 1>is night. We got to have something. Yeah, so in

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<v Speaker 1>those days, yeah, I mean it's a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>in those days were still using Sexton's of course, but

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<v Speaker 1>to know he thought this would be a really cool,

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<v Speaker 1>spiffy way too, and he was he was not really

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<v Speaker 1>into navigation that much, so I think it appealed to

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<v Speaker 1>him to have something that would be easier to use

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<v Speaker 1>and the old traditional you know, mapping this. Yeah you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean so that like sextondance and charts in the list,

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, I think that's why he invented this thing. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But the problem was is he thought it was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make him a lot of money, but as so far,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't selling many of them at all, and so

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<v Speaker 1>when the Golden Globe race was announced, he was in

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<v Speaker 1>pretty dire financial straits and I think that he thought

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<v Speaker 1>the cash prize would keep him afloat until he finally

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<v Speaker 1>got his business off the ground. And so that was

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<v Speaker 1>his big motivation. And maybe he liked attention to maybe

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<v Speaker 1>feel maybe you don't like that would be a way

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<v Speaker 1>to call attention to his business. He would get all

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<v Speaker 1>this notoriety and he's going like, yeah, hey, you know that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know why just by the way, I've got this

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<v Speaker 1>device called the navigator. Well, especially if like maybe he

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<v Speaker 1>made use of it to like win this competition, right

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<v Speaker 1>if you say, oh, you know, I couldn't have done

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<v Speaker 1>it as quickly if I hadn't been using this invention

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<v Speaker 1>that I had, you know, because I would have been

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<v Speaker 1>so tied up trying to navigate by the stars, and

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have done it nearly as fast. So you

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<v Speaker 1>know that's also as ability. Yeah, I don't really have

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<v Speaker 1>any information on that about whether he actually used his navigator. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't. I don't think he had had to actually

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<v Speaker 1>use it. I think he could have just said when

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<v Speaker 1>he won, and I used this thing. Yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember ever seeing any but it's really hard to say,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't remember seeing anything saying he was using it.

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<v Speaker 1>Hard to know what his plan was upon return, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Okay. He unfortunately didn't have the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of money that he needed to buy himself a big

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<v Speaker 1>old boat to the world, and so he persuaded a

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<v Speaker 1>local millionaire named Stanley Best to sponsor his entry and

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<v Speaker 1>buy him a boat, and they commissioned a boatyard to

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<v Speaker 1>build this trimar Ran, and the millionaire Best bank rolled

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<v Speaker 1>the trimar Ran, but he made Crowhurst sign an agreement

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<v Speaker 1>which stated that if he backed out of the race,

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<v Speaker 1>or if he dropped out early, he'd have to buy

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<v Speaker 1>the boat back, and he mortgaged. He Crowhurst mortgage his

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<v Speaker 1>house and his business against this boat, everything everything he

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<v Speaker 1>had against his boat. And so yeah, he was he

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<v Speaker 1>was committed. He was extremely committed. He also hired a

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<v Speaker 1>publicistem Rodney Halworth, who was a former crime reporter for

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of British newspapers, and Halworth was instrumental actually

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<v Speaker 1>and kicking up. He did a really good job back

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<v Speaker 1>at home and taking any any dribbles of news that

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<v Speaker 1>he got from Crowhurst and and get disseminated to the

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<v Speaker 1>media and whipping up a frenzy of excitement about this

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing. Yeah, race fever. But the deadline was leaving.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't mention the deadline for leaving England, did I?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, the deadlight for leaving

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<v Speaker 1>was Halloween. It was October thirty one, which was the

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<v Speaker 1>last I think that was because it was the last

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<v Speaker 1>day they figured anybody could safely get around the whole

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<v Speaker 1>around the Cape of Good Hope. Yeah, yeah, exactly, So

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<v Speaker 1>they figured that that is a safety measure, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they would have and also you got to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>have a cut off. You can't have somebody like leaving

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<v Speaker 1>a year later. Yeah, yeah, that doesn't work. That doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really work, right. Crowhurst actually did not get his trim

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<v Speaker 1>ran until pretty shortly before the race deadline, and he

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<v Speaker 1>said he only had about four weeks to outfit the

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<v Speaker 1>boat and get all this gear together and get ready

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<v Speaker 1>for this voyage. So, needless to say, he was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of behind all the other ones who had already left

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<v Speaker 1>long before. And uh so he wind up leaving on

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<v Speaker 1>the day of the deadline, October thirty one. And was

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<v Speaker 1>it fastest in time or like the first person back

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<v Speaker 1>first person back at the Golden Globe? Okay, and whoever

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<v Speaker 1>whoever of the four would get the five thousand pounds

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<v Speaker 1>if that was fast, So they counted like how many

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<v Speaker 1>days it took them, not like who was back first exactly? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>exactly okay? Yeah, So so Crowhurst if if, say too,

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<v Speaker 1>if all the guys ahead of him beat him in

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<v Speaker 1>and he still came in after them, he could still

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<v Speaker 1>have won that prize right with less days? Yeah okay,

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, let's go back to October thirty one. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the day he set out from Tynemouth, England. And now

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to depart again. I'm gonna get to do

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<v Speaker 1>a little travel like stuff. Time with is a quint

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<v Speaker 1>little sea coast town on the English Channel. I took

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<v Speaker 1>a tour of it on Google Street. I ran over

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<v Speaker 1>several pedestrians and that's what I love about that. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I started at least a hundred cars. Yeah, so sorry, Timemouth.

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<v Speaker 1>I apologized, But I do want to say, if any

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<v Speaker 1>of our listeners are from Time with You, people really

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<v Speaker 1>do have a picturesque little town, and would that be

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<v Speaker 1>a great I want to write to Google and say

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<v Speaker 1>I want something to want to run over to somebody

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<v Speaker 1>in Google Streets. I got a yell or screw for it. Yeah, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>back back to our sea boydge. Enough of that. So

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<v Speaker 1>Crowherst estimated that the Tynemouth Electron could sell two twenty

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<v Speaker 1>miles a day. Why did Why did he name it?

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<v Speaker 1>The time? I can't say, Yeah, and his company was

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<v Speaker 1>when I've just been sitting here thinking about what a

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<v Speaker 1>dumb name that, But I get it now. Yeah, But

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out that his claim that it could do

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<v Speaker 1>two twenty miles a day was pretty optimistic. And here's

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm gonna talk about trying a runts a little bit. There.

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<v Speaker 1>They are fast boats. There's threethold boats. They're faster than

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<v Speaker 1>mono hole boats by long ways because they have less

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<v Speaker 1>wedded surface, but they have a tendency to capsize when

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<v Speaker 1>sailing close to the wind unfortunately, and they also can't

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<v Speaker 1>sail all that close to the wind, which really cuts

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<v Speaker 1>down in your progress. There was a guy named former

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<v Speaker 1>davy guy I think, or maybe even current nating guy

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<v Speaker 1>named Peter Eden. So he sailed with Crowhurst from a

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<v Speaker 1>town of cows to time from work from what you departed,

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<v Speaker 1>and he reported that the time with electron was very fast,

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<v Speaker 1>but it could get no closer to the wind than

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<v Speaker 1>sixty degrees. So that means when you're lucky enough to

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<v Speaker 1>have a tail wind, you can make good time. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you're sailing into the wind, you're gonna be tacking

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<v Speaker 1>so hard and so far out of your course that

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna make very very slow progress. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just sitting here smiling and nodding because none of

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<v Speaker 1>this makes any sense to me. Here's here's Here's what

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<v Speaker 1>it means is tacking out of the wind means you're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of doing a zigzag and correct me if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>wrong here, Joe. But you're you've got a direction, so

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to go forward, you kind of hang a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a ninety degree and then you come back

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<v Speaker 1>into force. Attacking make sense to me. It's the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of this is just you know, it's all sailors apologize.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so used to stuff. But yeah, attacking. For those

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<v Speaker 1>of you who don't are not aware of what that

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<v Speaker 1>is is a sailboat cannot obviously not sailed directly into

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<v Speaker 1>the wind, into the oncoming wind, and the oncoming wind, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it has, So that's what you have to do what's

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<v Speaker 1>called tacking. And depending on your boat, your boats design

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<v Speaker 1>and everything, and the kind of sails that you have,

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<v Speaker 1>you can get pretty close to the wind. And close

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<v Speaker 1>to the wind means if the wind is at zero degrees,

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<v Speaker 1>and say you can get as close as say thirty degrees,

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<v Speaker 1>and that means you're at thirty degrees one side or

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<v Speaker 1>the other. Your s is that way, your boat is,

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<v Speaker 1>your boat is in that in that direction. So and

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<v Speaker 1>what you do is and the way and the way

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<v Speaker 1>the sailboats work is when you're running off the wind,

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting pushed by the wind. When you're running into

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<v Speaker 1>the wind, then your cell is sort of you know

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<v Speaker 1>how flu set, it's kind of curved, and you stretch

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<v Speaker 1>it out real good and everything, and then that oncoming

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<v Speaker 1>wind is going right across that sail, and in the

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<v Speaker 1>Bernoulli effect, you know what that is, Okay, the Bernulli

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<v Speaker 1>effect create a low pressure thing, and a low pressure

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<v Speaker 1>zone is created on the outside of the sail, and

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<v Speaker 1>the sail is pulled forward so that when it's when

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<v Speaker 1>you're sailing into the wind and the sailboat, you're not

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<v Speaker 1>being pushed, You're being pulled by the wind. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we just did a tiny little episode of how

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<v Speaker 1>how stuff works. Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, so that's sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>sorry for the board, but that's what a tacking is

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<v Speaker 1>very helpful. Yeah yeah, and so it's so what you

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<v Speaker 1>do is you go, you go a little, you go

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<v Speaker 1>aways in one direction and then the hells when you

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<v Speaker 1>I was out ready about and all the hands like

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<v Speaker 1>they loosened up the jib and and then you swing

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<v Speaker 1>the tiller over the side and you and you go

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<v Speaker 1>across your your line of direction that the line of

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<v Speaker 1>directions were literally Yeah, I think many of us just

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<v Speaker 1>need to like ye, fall into the calm, deep voice

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<v Speaker 1>of Joe and just like just just kind of jump

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<v Speaker 1>on board and say, all right, he knows what he's

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, and it doesn't really matter that much. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it doesn't really matter. But just just to

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<v Speaker 1>say that if you can't get any closer than sixty

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<v Speaker 1>degrees to the wind, and you're gonna have some pretty

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<v Speaker 1>slow going when you've got houtcoming wind. So this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Eden uh said that Crowhurst had a tendency to

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<v Speaker 1>fall overboard. And they were in the town of Cows

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<v Speaker 1>apparently fell overwards several times. Three times. Yeah, yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>and when they were getting aboard the boat to go

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<v Speaker 1>to Tynmouth, he fell aboard as abard he fell overboard.

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<v Speaker 1>But otherwise Eden said that Crowhurst was a pretty good sailor.

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<v Speaker 1>He did say that he was a bit sloppy about navigation,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was definitely was actually a pretty good sailor.

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<v Speaker 1>But Crowhurst, we should not, as we've not it already,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have any open ocean sailing experience, and it's totally different, right,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much. I think that you when you see a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more stuff can happen, you know, Yeah, you don't get.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't get crazy big waves and stuff like that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're when you're in the channel or sailing close

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<v Speaker 1>to close to shore and the storm shows up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you just go home real fast. Yeah yeah. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>do that when you're in the open ocean. Yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So any way, he left and he was sending back

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<v Speaker 1>occasional radio messages. But according to his logs were read

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<v Speaker 1>later on and after a few weeks to see heat

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<v Speaker 1>average no more than a hundred thirty miles a day,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had barely passed the coast of court Portugal,

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<v Speaker 1>So that not far at all. Really, do you think

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<v Speaker 1>about two weeks and he's only made to Portugal and

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<v Speaker 1>at this point and he's all he's also radio going

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<v Speaker 1>back some some somewhat dishonest accounts of his speed. He's

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<v Speaker 1>actually exagger reading his position and the speeds that he's

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<v Speaker 1>attaining a bit back on the boat. According to his logs,

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<v Speaker 1>it's apparent that he was starting to realize that he

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<v Speaker 1>was way out of his depth, and he actually wrote

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<v Speaker 1>in his log that he he estimated his odds of

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<v Speaker 1>surviving around the world trip at so I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>that may even be optimistic though, like from everything that

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<v Speaker 1>we know about him, like if he had the tendency

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<v Speaker 1>to fall overboard, like you're alone in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean, well, and think about this too, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>if he's off the coast of Portugal, that's in a

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<v Speaker 1>fairly temperate zone, the weather is not too harsh, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's got to be thinking. So if he's already having

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<v Speaker 1>second thoughts, he's he's thinking, oh my god, the weather

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm passing the capes is going to be brutal,

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<v Speaker 1>and my odds of survival are pretty slim. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because running those caps is tough. And also another reason

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<v Speaker 1>for his low spirits is the boat is sprung a league,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's random boat. Yeah, well that was a problem

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<v Speaker 1>in the boat had never been tested. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>new design, and I'm sure Joe did and I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see the pictures of his boat. It's actually

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<v Speaker 1>really cool looking because it's super flat on the top.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just got this eitty bitty window that's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like it sticks up maybe a foot off

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<v Speaker 1>of the top of the boat. Very streamlined, very cool

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<v Speaker 1>looking boat. It was a new design, they never tested

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<v Speaker 1>it and you know, the only way he could get

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<v Speaker 1>water out because he sprung a leak is that the

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<v Speaker 1>thing didn't have pumps, so he used a bucket to

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<v Speaker 1>go open it up and bucket the water out and

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<v Speaker 1>then seal it back up. It's gotta be it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be hard on morale. Well, and think about it again.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like you said, he's in good seas when

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<v Speaker 1>he's doing that. Yeah, And when you're in bad seas

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<v Speaker 1>run in the cape. Are you gonna have time to

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<v Speaker 1>to go out and go down and you're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>able to leave the till and go down and do

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<v Speaker 1>some bailing. Yeah. Yeah, So he's that he's got to

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<v Speaker 1>have that on his mind. Well, and did you I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if either of you came across the reason

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<v Speaker 1>that he chose the design. Yeah, why he chose You

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<v Speaker 1>said they were they were faster. Well, they're faster, but

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<v Speaker 1>they also will tip in a situation like the see

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. He thought he had to work around for that. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So his workaround was and he wasn't an inventor kind

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<v Speaker 1>of guy, so his idea was to have a big,

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<v Speaker 1>big bladder that could fill with their at the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the mast because one of those things go over,

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<v Speaker 1>of course they're gonna completely capsize. The idea was that

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<v Speaker 1>this bladder when I think he had like leveling mechanism

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<v Speaker 1>like detectors, maybe mercury switches on on the deck, something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. And the idea was it when it started

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<v Speaker 1>to go over, that thing would activate and boosh, it

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<v Speaker 1>would fill it with air or CEO two or something

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<v Speaker 1>and inflate that thing and stopped the boat from capsizing.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he had he had come up with an

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<v Speaker 1>idea to put some pipes and tanks in the outer

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<v Speaker 1>in the outer holes, and that way he could pump

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<v Speaker 1>water into whatever hole is sticking up highest. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>he put and make it heavier, and then just count

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<v Speaker 1>on wave action like an oncoming wave would once he's

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<v Speaker 1>got once he's got enough weight in that in that

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<v Speaker 1>upper hole, an oncoming wave would raise the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the mast high enough to cause the whole boat to

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<v Speaker 1>just raise out of the water and tip back down.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem is, of course, again he didn't have the

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<v Speaker 1>boat long enough. As far as I know, he never

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<v Speaker 1>got those things in. No, No, he didn't. So and

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<v Speaker 1>and by the way, when he gave himself the odds

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<v Speaker 1>fifty odds were if he got his safety gear all installed. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was. He had a big delomma here because he

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<v Speaker 1>realized that he needed to drop out of the race

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<v Speaker 1>or die. But if he dropped out of the race,

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<v Speaker 1>he'd lose everything he owned. That's tough, yeah, very tough choice.

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<v Speaker 1>So apparently he hatched a plan. He would just noodle

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<v Speaker 1>around to the South Atlantic for a while, occasionally radio

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<v Speaker 1>false positions telling say I'm in the Indian Ocean and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, hey, I'm in the Pacific, things like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, and keep something and also keep false logs,

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<v Speaker 1>and then just hang out there and monitor everybody else's

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<v Speaker 1>positions on the radio. So when everybody else said and

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<v Speaker 1>had said that they were in the Atlantic and headed

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<v Speaker 1>home and we're safely well ahead of him, and he

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<v Speaker 1>knew he would come in last, said he would, he

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<v Speaker 1>would radio back to England and he would come in last,

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<v Speaker 1>and he'd have a good adventure story to tell. And

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<v Speaker 1>but since it came in last and didn't qualify for

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<v Speaker 1>the prize, we figured they wouldn't scrutinize his log books

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<v Speaker 1>too closely. It seems fair, I think, yeah, because if

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<v Speaker 1>he had one, they would have scrutinized his log books

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<v Speaker 1>when faking logs, because I mean, you've got to put

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff in the log that to me

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<v Speaker 1>would just be so much work. Yeah. Of course, Luckily

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<v Speaker 1>for him, he had a lot of time on his hands.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just sailing calm season, kind of temperate areas,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just chilling out. Yeah. On December ten, about

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<v Speaker 1>six weeks after about six weeks to see, he radioed

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<v Speaker 1>his press agent, remember him, Rodney Holworthy, uh, saying he

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<v Speaker 1>just sailed in one day a record two. Paul Worth

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<v Speaker 1>used that and other other things to keep up the

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<v Speaker 1>buzz at home, and he was doing his job. And

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<v Speaker 1>obviously he never sailed that thing ud for I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>actually it's maybe conceivable. Maybe he had a good day

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<v Speaker 1>and he had a tail wind and he didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>any water in the holes. Yeah, he spent all all

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<v Speaker 1>the deep bailing and everything. Maybe maybe he did, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, but I'm pretty sure he didn't. Around Christmas time,

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<v Speaker 1>Crowhurst Radio didn't saying that he was somewhere off Cape Town.

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<v Speaker 1>But at this point he was actually sailing past brazil Um.

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<v Speaker 1>He was weeks behind everybody else. And then not too

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<v Speaker 1>long after that he uh started claiming that he had

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<v Speaker 1>a faulty generator in his radio broadcast, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>just shut down transmissions entirely. He wanted show at one

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<v Speaker 1>point in South America for repairs, which broke the race rules.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, you can't go ashore. But at this point

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<v Speaker 1>and now he didn't really care anymore. He just made

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<v Speaker 1>sure to keep a little profile so nobody identified him.

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<v Speaker 1>Bran Mutzier dropped out of the race after rounding Cape Horn.

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<v Speaker 1>He was he was actually in the lead, but he

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of like, you know, I just said, hell

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<v Speaker 1>with this. I think I'm just gonna sail on and

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<v Speaker 1>got it to heating, and so that's what he did. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he eventually did. I think he was ce for three

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<v Speaker 1>or four hundred days by himself before he finally made landfall.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. I mean seriously, I mean, if you if

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<v Speaker 1>you had decided to round the cape and you decide, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really feel like doing this anymore, why don't

0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:34.560
<v Speaker 1>you cruise over to Sway and put it put in

0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:36.160
<v Speaker 1>for a while and get to get a few beers

0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:38.640
<v Speaker 1>and have some human company. Yeah, I thought, I thought

0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:42.280
<v Speaker 1>he uh, I thought, Bernard. He dropped out of the

0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:46.280
<v Speaker 1>race after he was back in the Atlantic. Yeah, and

0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:48.400
<v Speaker 1>it's right after he round at Cape Horn. So Cape

0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:51.240
<v Speaker 1>Horn is a tip of South America. Oh okay, sorry,

0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:55.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting him. I'm getting good Africa Cape Okay, that's

0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:58.200
<v Speaker 1>where I'm because I always think of the Horde of Africa.

0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:00.119
<v Speaker 1>So that's that's where I'm screwing this. Yeah, you know,

0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Actually the Horn of Africa is in the Indian Sea.

0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:04.919
<v Speaker 1>It's like the Gulf of Aid and then all that

0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:07.679
<v Speaker 1>stuff that's in Horn of Africa. Okay, sorry, sorry to

0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:10.280
<v Speaker 1>be sorry to be lecturing here. No, no, no, I

0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:15.840
<v Speaker 1>know them both, but I'm I'm intermed mixing them. Yeah. Yeah,

0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:22.479
<v Speaker 1>it was geography and stupid Globe geography. Back to so

0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:24.760
<v Speaker 1>after him, want to say, dropped out of the race.

0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:28.600
<v Speaker 1>That left three sailors Robin Knox Johnston, Nigel Tetley, and

0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Donald Crowhurst. Robin Knox Johnston arrived home first. He got

0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:38.119
<v Speaker 1>home April nineteen six, and then he won the Golden Globe. Yeah.

0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Crowhurst was out of contact, but everybody was interpretating his

0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:44.600
<v Speaker 1>progress based on his past reported positions and the speeds

0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:48.520
<v Speaker 1>that they could estimate based on those distances between those points.

0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:52.400
<v Speaker 1>And so it looked, based on that interpretation like Crowhurst

0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:55.199
<v Speaker 1>might actually beat Nigel Tetley for the best time, and

0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:57.520
<v Speaker 1>so there was a lot of excitement back home. So

0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:01.480
<v Speaker 1>on April tenth, nineteen sixty and Crowhurst finally broke his

0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:03.960
<v Speaker 1>radio silence and he said he was headed back up

0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:07.359
<v Speaker 1>the Atlantic having cleared Cape Horn, and of course Hallward

0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:10.960
<v Speaker 1>sent out a press release, a press one nuts because

0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:13.600
<v Speaker 1>it looked like Crowhurst was a plucky amateur who was

0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:17.560
<v Speaker 1>in serious contention for the five thousand pound prize. Lots

0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.800
<v Speaker 1>of excitement all the way around. But of course Crowhurst

0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:23.159
<v Speaker 1>was relying on Tetley because he knew that Tetley was

0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:25.840
<v Speaker 1>had a two week lead on him, so he was

0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:28.880
<v Speaker 1>he was very depending on not winning. Well. I think

0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:30.680
<v Speaker 1>he should have waited a little longer before he broke

0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:34.159
<v Speaker 1>his radio silence because Tetley of course was aware that

0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Crowhurst was was back in the race and was in

0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:41.280
<v Speaker 1>the Atlantic hot on his heels as far as he knew.

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Of course, of course Crowhurst was it really wasn't speeding

0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:46.760
<v Speaker 1>that fast. He didn't wasn't all that motivated to get

0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:52.119
<v Speaker 1>home from now he was. Yeah, but Tetley believe that

0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Crowhurst was hot on his heels and so he put

0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:57.800
<v Speaker 1>on as much sale as he could. Tetley, by the way,

0:25:57.800 --> 0:26:01.000
<v Speaker 1>it was also in another forty ft Trimarran, so he

0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:05.200
<v Speaker 1>put on loss of sale and he uh found himself

0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:07.439
<v Speaker 1>in a storm in the mid Atlantic. He didn't shorten

0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:10.159
<v Speaker 1>his sales nearly as much as he should have. And

0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:12.240
<v Speaker 1>shorten your sales means you take in sale, you have

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:14.399
<v Speaker 1>less sale because you don't want to be demasted in

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:19.280
<v Speaker 1>storms another sailing term. But so because of that, his

0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Tribemran was damaged in the storm and started taking on

0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 1>water off the Azores and the boat sank. He took

0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 1>to his life raft and he was rescued by rescue

0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:37.440
<v Speaker 1>type people. Yeah, rescued I as seen people in the helicopters.

0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, probably Yeah. So he was pulled out of

0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:44.800
<v Speaker 1>the water. Made thirtieth, nineteen sixty nine. And of course

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:47.040
<v Speaker 1>he's still a crow who still had a functioning radio.

0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:50.120
<v Speaker 1>So when he heard the news that Tetley had sunk, well,

0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:53.359
<v Speaker 1>that was really bad news for him. Needless to say, Uh,

0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:57.000
<v Speaker 1>his long his log entries about this point showed that

0:26:57.040 --> 0:27:00.480
<v Speaker 1>he was in a deteriorating mental state for the the

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 1>last several weeks of his log entries and he wrote poems,

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:07.520
<v Speaker 1>random thoughts, philosophical ramblings. You put in fake and real

0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:10.720
<v Speaker 1>log entries. And then in the final page of the log,

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:15.639
<v Speaker 1>which was ended on July one, nine, he wrote, and

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:18.720
<v Speaker 1>I quote, it is finished. It is the mercy that

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:23.199
<v Speaker 1>was all caps. I will resign the game. So that

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:28.560
<v Speaker 1>was his last entry. So wait, okay, I'm confused. Robin

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Knox Johnston arrived on April twenty twond so why why

0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:39.680
<v Speaker 1>was Crowhurst gonna win? Didn't Robin Knox Johnston already win?

0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Remember now he won the Golden Globe was getting there

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:47.399
<v Speaker 1>first and getting their fastest. Knox Johnston got there first,

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:51.240
<v Speaker 1>but he did he Crowhurst potentially could get there in

0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 1>a shorter amount of time. It was two separate got it? Okay, okay,

0:27:56.680 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I get it. I've been laboring under false assumptions. Max

0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Johnston was in a monohole boat, which tends to be

0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:06.240
<v Speaker 1>slower than trim Ran too. Yeah, so I'm sure he

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 1>had a good pokey time. On July tenth, nineteen nine,

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:12.879
<v Speaker 1>the Royal Mail vessel party crossing the mid Atlantic towards

0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:17.160
<v Speaker 1>the Caribbean, spotted the time with electron drifting with only

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:20.240
<v Speaker 1>a single sale up. They boarded it found the boat

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:24.440
<v Speaker 1>was cluttered and dirty, with dirty dishes, filthy bedding, and

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:28.320
<v Speaker 1>no crew, nobody to be seen. So the captain of

0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:30.920
<v Speaker 1>the Picardy hauled the trim ran on board his ship

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:34.120
<v Speaker 1>and they sailed on and started to read the three

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:36.360
<v Speaker 1>log books that they found on there, and the air

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 1>search was begun for Crowhurst, and of course the news

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 1>of his disappearance spread worldwide and made him very famous.

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Of course, he was already kind of famous because a

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 1>lot of people were following this and there, of course

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 1>lots of people reported sighting him at all kinds of

0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:52.240
<v Speaker 1>places around the world, including the UK and Cape Verity

0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:54.720
<v Speaker 1>and everywhere else, and the British media for a time

0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 1>even staked out the family home thinking he might he

0:28:57.240 --> 0:28:59.960
<v Speaker 1>might show up there or something. And two days later

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:03.120
<v Speaker 1>the captain of the Picardy was mostly through the log books.

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 1>There were also other papers found on board the boat

0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 1>which showed the actual navigation course that he had been following,

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and not the fake log books. And so the captain

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:16.800
<v Speaker 1>reported what he found. And I also mentioned the suicidal

0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 1>sounding the last entry, which leads you to think a

0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 1>certain thing don't believe it or not, and the AIRCA

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 1>rescue was called off, and the mystery of the ghost

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 1>ship Time with Electron lives on to this day. No

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 1>one knows what happened to the crew of the time

0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 1>with the thing that really I had a really hard

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 1>time getting ahold of with this story and it's your

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:40.400
<v Speaker 1>head around. Well, no, it's just what's not so apparent

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 1>when you just read it is the amount of time

0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 1>that it takes place over fast. No. And I watched

0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 1>there's a great documentary on this called deep Water, and

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 1>I watched it. It's really interesting and it really goes

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 1>through a lot of it, but it really gave me

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:03.320
<v Speaker 1>the sense of how much time this whole thing took,

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:08.640
<v Speaker 1>and how much time Crowhurst spent by himself on that boat.

0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean when his boat was found, it was two

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:18.000
<v Speaker 1>hundred and forty some days by himself. That's a huge

0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 1>amount of time. Now he went on land once. Yeah,

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:27.160
<v Speaker 1>speaking about speaking of spending a huge amount of time

0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:29.880
<v Speaker 1>at sea, there, there's actually a book about a guy

0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 1>who took over three years to sail around the world. Yeah.

0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:35.000
<v Speaker 1>And the book that I was going to recommend to

0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:37.240
<v Speaker 1>you what is called Sailing Alone around the World by

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Joshua Slocum. Joshua Slocum was actually a quasi famous guy.

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 1>He was a New England sea captain and he set

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 1>out in April eighteen on his boat the Spray, which

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:51.080
<v Speaker 1>was a thirty seven foot wouldn't sloop, and he sailed

0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 1>in a little more than three years and about forty

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 1>six thousand miles all around the world. Was he by himself? Yeah,

0:30:56.800 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>he was by himself three Now he didn't he didn't

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 1>do it NonStop. Yeah, yeah, but over three years, I

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 1>would hope, yeah, hopefully put a games up a little

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 1>shortly from time to time. But even that, I mean,

0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 1>that's quite the adventure. Yeah, and all of this, I'm

0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 1>sure the accounts of it shortly were probably really cool too.

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he was really ready to cut loose and

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 1>kick up his heels many many months at sea. Go

0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:26.840
<v Speaker 1>check it out now, well, don't check it out now,

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Wait until we end the show, then check it out. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 1>we still have a lot of show ahead of us

0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:35.280
<v Speaker 1>because we got to talk about theories, what happened to

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Donald Crowhurst and how did the time with the Electron

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 1>become a ghost ship or a ghost boat? Yeah, or

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:46.960
<v Speaker 1>a ghost tram in yeah, or whatever. So theories in

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 1>no particular order. Theory one is pirates. Yeah, you guys

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 1>have any thoughts on that. I didn't find a whole

0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of record of I did look for this, I

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:02.800
<v Speaker 1>actually thought about it. I didn't see a whole lot

0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 1>of records of pirates operating in that part of the

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 1>sea in the late sixties. I couldn't find a whole

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of accountings of that. And it also just seems

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 1>like super counterintuitive like that, it's not like there's a

0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:18.239
<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff missing from the boat. Well actually, not

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:20.680
<v Speaker 1>like the boat was missing. It's just it was just

0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 1>this one broke dude. Well, typically, you know, pirates, like

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:26.920
<v Speaker 1>in the in the Caribbean, for example, pirates now in

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:30.600
<v Speaker 1>that area tend to um you know, and it could

0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:32.720
<v Speaker 1>be a similar much pirates they tend to kill the

0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:35.280
<v Speaker 1>owner and throw his body overboard and take the boat.

0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:40.160
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, they would have taken the boat. So you

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:43.800
<v Speaker 1>want to put the pirate theory arrest I kind of think, so, yeah, okay,

0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 1>well that was short lived. Next theory and this this

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:51.680
<v Speaker 1>has some plausibility. That next theory is that he fell overboard,

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 1>which is entirely possible. Yeah, apparently he had a propensity

0:32:56.880 --> 0:33:01.360
<v Speaker 1>to fall overboard. He had to constantly do I actually

0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 1>I really unfortunately kind of lean towards this one heavily

0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 1>because of all the repairs that he was constantly doing.

0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Um we didn't I know, we didn't talk about it initially,

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:14.600
<v Speaker 1>but who was the guy that went on the the

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:18.640
<v Speaker 1>early voyage with him? Yeah, when Eden was with him.

0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:22.400
<v Speaker 1>One of the issues that they were having is the

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:25.480
<v Speaker 1>screws in the that we're holding the rudder to the

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:30.040
<v Speaker 1>boat continually were vibrating loose and falling out. I don't

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:34.200
<v Speaker 1>even understand how that happens though, like Brandon designed, haven't

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:37.880
<v Speaker 1>figured it out. They're not locked in their screws. And

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:41.480
<v Speaker 1>he what was the guy's name again, Eden, I'll remember

0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 1>it now. He recommended welding him. He's like, this is great,

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 1>but if you want to take this voyage, you need

0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:50.520
<v Speaker 1>to weld those down, which never happened. And it was

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:53.920
<v Speaker 1>even some superglue would have been helping something, but it

0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 1>as long as he talked about, you know, lost the

0:33:56.680 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>fourth screw today and so I just I can just

0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 1>imagine him constantly being out there when you're on your

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:08.279
<v Speaker 1>own and you're a little loopy from just being on

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:11.239
<v Speaker 1>your own nothing else, just ivan in the sun for

0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:14.840
<v Speaker 1>two days by myself, and you're just kind of spaced

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 1>out and you go to grab something as it's falling away,

0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:21.320
<v Speaker 1>and then yeah, and no way to get back in

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:23.520
<v Speaker 1>the boat, and the boat just keeps going. Yeah, it

0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 1>doesn't stop. Ye, intelligent sailors, I think tie themselves to

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:30.600
<v Speaker 1>the boat usually. I usually people have lifelines that they

0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:33.719
<v Speaker 1>but h and but you know even that, I mean,

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:36.799
<v Speaker 1>if you go overboard, it can be pretty tough to

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:40.000
<v Speaker 1>get back into the boat. I mean, it's entirely possible.

0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:42.040
<v Speaker 1>But I don't think he was wearing a lifeline if

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:44.359
<v Speaker 1>he did fell overboard, because it would have it would

0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:46.440
<v Speaker 1>have been there. I mean, his body still probably still

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:49.719
<v Speaker 1>would have been there. Well. And and he did, um

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:51.839
<v Speaker 1>A lot of the guys were on this in this race,

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:56.839
<v Speaker 1>must say and he both we're given tape recorders and

0:34:57.040 --> 0:35:00.320
<v Speaker 1>video recorders to just log what they were do doing.

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 1>And Monta say, has And and Crowhurst have a bunch

0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:07.719
<v Speaker 1>of footage of themselves just tooling around on the boat

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:11.680
<v Speaker 1>do in their everyday thing. And they're in shorts, they've

0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:14.880
<v Speaker 1>got no shirt on there in the sun, and I

0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:18.919
<v Speaker 1>never saw a lifeline tied to anybody. Yeah, I would

0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:22.720
<v Speaker 1>imagine that would be more cumbersome on a daily basis

0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:25.279
<v Speaker 1>because you're walking back and forth and it's snagging, and

0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 1>you go one way and then the other and it's

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 1>just looped around. I can see that being a giant pain,

0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:33.480
<v Speaker 1>which would explain why you wouldn't wear it all the time. Yeah,

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 1>heavy c s would be the only time I think

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:38.799
<v Speaker 1>you would do it, or if you had a hi

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:42.880
<v Speaker 1>perpensity for falling over I'm just saying, if you've fallen

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:46.240
<v Speaker 1>overboard on like a small voyage five or six times,

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:50.240
<v Speaker 1>maybe like use your brain a little bit, connect yourself

0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 1>to that thing that is the only thing that's keeping

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:55.520
<v Speaker 1>you alive. But people get lazy when they get comfortable

0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and used to Yeah, so anyway, well let's little get

0:35:59.920 --> 0:36:03.440
<v Speaker 1>that some points that's a strong possibility for that theory.

0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:05.359
<v Speaker 1>Of course, the next theory, and this is the most

0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:09.080
<v Speaker 1>prevalent theory out there, is suicide. And certainly that's supported

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:12.160
<v Speaker 1>by the last log book entry. Although you could interpret

0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 1>that plausibly, he says, uh, he said, I will resign

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:19.320
<v Speaker 1>the game. You could interpret that as him just saying

0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:22.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to drop out of the race, or he's

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:27.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna admit to everything, or possibly he's going to get busted. Yeah,

0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:29.160
<v Speaker 1>it could be that, or it could be by resigning

0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 1>the game, he means he's going to offer himself. It's

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 1>hard to say, all right, yeah, it's all It's especially

0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 1>hard to say since, like I haven't read any of

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:39.320
<v Speaker 1>his other log stuff, like what the kind of tone

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:41.680
<v Speaker 1>of it? You know, you can get a sense of

0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:45.239
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that sometimes. But but here's why, here's why

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:49.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't really believe the suicide thing entirely. I mean,

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:52.279
<v Speaker 1>it's still possible. But if it were me and I

0:36:52.320 --> 0:36:55.719
<v Speaker 1>was going to commit suicide, and of course he probably

0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:58.640
<v Speaker 1>wasn't entirely in his right mind, but he left a

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 1>lot of evidence behind, uh that that he basically lied

0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:06.160
<v Speaker 1>the whole time. And you know, of course, you want

0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:07.839
<v Speaker 1>to think about what your reputation is going to be

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:09.759
<v Speaker 1>beyond the grave. You want to think about that. And

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 1>if it had been me, I would have checked the

0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:14.560
<v Speaker 1>logs and all the other documentation overboards, so there'd be

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 1>there would have been no evidence. I swear I saw

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:21.800
<v Speaker 1>somewhere that in this is in line with the suicide

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 1>theory is that somebody had said that he had taken

0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:28.960
<v Speaker 1>one of the log books with him overboard, which I

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:32.359
<v Speaker 1>could never really substantiate, And also question how do you

0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:35.120
<v Speaker 1>know exactly. I've heard that too, that they thought it

0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:37.640
<v Speaker 1>took a log But how do you know that? I mean,

0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:40.399
<v Speaker 1>we're did the spine of the log books a log

0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:44.479
<v Speaker 1>book one to four, and so you know he is missing, yeah,

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:49.359
<v Speaker 1>or in the logs. Maybe you've just got a big jump,

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:52.399
<v Speaker 1>But then you still don't know, because I mean, it's

0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:55.920
<v Speaker 1>also it is possible that he just didn't keep logs

0:37:56.000 --> 0:37:58.920
<v Speaker 1>for a gap of time. It's also possible at some

0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:02.800
<v Speaker 1>point you accidentally dropped it overboard. He had it on

0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:04.560
<v Speaker 1>when he fell over, he got back in the boat

0:38:04.600 --> 0:38:07.440
<v Speaker 1>and it didn't go. But so as soon as that

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:09.160
<v Speaker 1>goes On the other hand, he did have a pretty

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:12.600
<v Speaker 1>strong motivation because not only was he going to be

0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:15.960
<v Speaker 1>financially ruined, he was going to be humiliated and exposed

0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:20.080
<v Speaker 1>as a liar. And also he's probably feeling a little

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:24.920
<v Speaker 1>bit guilty about Nigel Tetley, because Nigel Tetley arguably wouldn't

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:28.719
<v Speaker 1>have said wouldn't have have sunk not for him, So

0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 1>maybe he was feeling a little a little remorseful about that,

0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:36.200
<v Speaker 1>and so maybe all those things combined to driving to suicide. Yeah,

0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 1>he well, and I know he had a lot of hesitation.

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:40.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if it wasn't for the contract that he

0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:43.920
<v Speaker 1>had to sign. From what I've seen, I get the

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:47.040
<v Speaker 1>feeling that he would have never set sail, because I

0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:49.720
<v Speaker 1>think it was the thirty of October, the day before

0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:54.480
<v Speaker 1>he left, he went to his financier and his publicist

0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:58.399
<v Speaker 1>and said, this boat is not ready. I this boat

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:00.399
<v Speaker 1>is an't ready. I can't take this boat it out

0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 1>And they both looked at him and said, what do

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:07.200
<v Speaker 1>you mean. You have to go? You you have to go.

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:12.239
<v Speaker 1>It's too late to back out. And you know, it's

0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:14.319
<v Speaker 1>a rock and a hard place. He was in a

0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:17.239
<v Speaker 1>tough spot, it's a terrible spot. Well he did put

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:19.319
<v Speaker 1>himself there, I mean, yeah, you did. But I still

0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 1>feel bad for the guy, Yeah, of course, yeah. Well,

0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:23.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's it's heart wrenching because of course he

0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:28.200
<v Speaker 1>had he was married and a four kids, three or

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 1>four children. Well, and didn't I think I read somewhere

0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:33.839
<v Speaker 1>that the guy who ended up with the money, who

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:36.400
<v Speaker 1>ended up with the money, Wally ended up with the

0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:40.359
<v Speaker 1>knock Knox Johnson. That's that's right. He's the only one

0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:43.759
<v Speaker 1>that made and didn't he give most of it to

0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:49.479
<v Speaker 1>the children of Yeah he did, Yeah, Yeah, and even

0:39:49.520 --> 0:39:51.200
<v Speaker 1>after it came out that you know, he was kind

0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 1>of a liar and all that stuff, the money was

0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:56.400
<v Speaker 1>never I mean, you gotta feel bad for the family,

0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:59.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, because they've lost They've lost their husband and father,

0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 1>and on top of that, he getting a lot of

0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:04.399
<v Speaker 1>really bad peoplicity. Yeah, well, I imagine. I mean, it's

0:40:04.440 --> 0:40:07.879
<v Speaker 1>just like anybody who becomes a public figure like that.

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:12.399
<v Speaker 1>You're you know that there's two frames of mind. Either

0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:14.200
<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm going to make a bunch of money

0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:17.480
<v Speaker 1>from this in other avenues, so I'm going to give

0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:19.840
<v Speaker 1>this away knowing that I'm not going to be hurting

0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:22.400
<v Speaker 1>in the long run because I'll make money on other ventures.

0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:27.759
<v Speaker 1>Or there's, as you guys said, the magnanimous perspective of yeah,

0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:32.000
<v Speaker 1>my my winning doesn't matter because of this other tragedy

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:34.600
<v Speaker 1>that happened. I mean, it's hard to say what motivated

0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm glad he did it because it was

0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:39.319
<v Speaker 1>something to do. Yeah, And I have no idea he

0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:43.640
<v Speaker 1>might have been independently wealthy anyway, so who knows. Okay,

0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:48.760
<v Speaker 1>do you guys have any more thoughts on the suicide theory? No? Okay,

0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:54.600
<v Speaker 1>last theory. This theory is that there is a seagoing troupicbra. Yeah,

0:40:55.520 --> 0:41:01.680
<v Speaker 1>there is called the krack and yeah, I've heard of that.

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:06.000
<v Speaker 1>So there is there's a school of thinking that perhaps

0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 1>the crack and got him. Yeah. I just reached up,

0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 1>plucked him out the boat and took him away pretty much. Yeah. Actually,

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:14.000
<v Speaker 1>probably what it did is it grabbed the boat and

0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:16.600
<v Speaker 1>it's in his harry paw, turned it upside down and

0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:18.520
<v Speaker 1>shook him out of the boat into his mouth, and

0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:22.239
<v Speaker 1>then gently set the boat back down. And he was

0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:24.280
<v Speaker 1>the only thing that fell out. Well, that would explain

0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:26.319
<v Speaker 1>why the one log book was gone too, because it

0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:28.920
<v Speaker 1>fell out to Yeah, but none of the dishes or anything. No,

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:31.919
<v Speaker 1>that's true. Good point. They weren't broken and that yeah

0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:34.879
<v Speaker 1>the good point. Okay, so much for that there. Okay, Yeah,

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:38.359
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I always like to bring things out

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:40.879
<v Speaker 1>of left field. Here's the one theory that I've never

0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:45.560
<v Speaker 1>come across that I wonder about. His boat was found

0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:49.680
<v Speaker 1>in the Atlantic and it was what a hundred miles

0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:53.399
<v Speaker 1>from the as ors. Is that correct something like that. Yeah,

0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:55.600
<v Speaker 1>it was about a hundred miles when when that ship

0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:58.319
<v Speaker 1>founded on the tenth, it was about a hundred of

0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:00.960
<v Speaker 1>miles away from the ass which it's just a string

0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:04.560
<v Speaker 1>of islands that kind of I don't even know how

0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:07.600
<v Speaker 1>far they they're five miles off the coast of Spain,

0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:12.720
<v Speaker 1>but it's still a relatively temperate area. And he's already

0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 1>broken the rules once and gone ashore, so I could

0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:22.200
<v Speaker 1>conceivably see him writing this post, uh, this log entry

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:26.640
<v Speaker 1>saying the game is up, going to an island and

0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:29.279
<v Speaker 1>just pushing the boat off, And because the boat was

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:33.080
<v Speaker 1>found with a sail up, so I could see where

0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:35.359
<v Speaker 1>he just said, I'm going to just start a new life.

0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:37.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna start a new life. I'm just gonna

0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:39.840
<v Speaker 1>walk away. I'm sorry for my wife and family, but

0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:42.760
<v Speaker 1>the hell with this. I'm out. I just can't take

0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:46.480
<v Speaker 1>this anymore. And maybe it's because those islands are so

0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:50.160
<v Speaker 1>small in their small communities that this this might just

0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:53.919
<v Speaker 1>be completely wrong. But I just wonder about that, because

0:42:53.960 --> 0:42:57.400
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't that far off and heat in his course

0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:02.560
<v Speaker 1>when he found out about Lee, he hung a right

0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:06.839
<v Speaker 1>hand turn and started heading in that direction rather than

0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:10.800
<v Speaker 1>continuing north to England. So yeah, I mean the ass

0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:13.400
<v Speaker 1>is a possibility, but you know, I mean I just

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:15.680
<v Speaker 1>don't know that. The only problem that I have with

0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:19.440
<v Speaker 1>that theory is that, um, he could start over with

0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:23.680
<v Speaker 1>nothing in the ass or he could go home and

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:26.040
<v Speaker 1>start off with nothing again and have be with his

0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:29.760
<v Speaker 1>family and so but if he if he went home,

0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:33.080
<v Speaker 1>he would be returning in disgrace. He would lose everything

0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:36.719
<v Speaker 1>he had. And if he chose to disappear and not

0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:41.040
<v Speaker 1>return home, his family would likely have some kind of

0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:43.520
<v Speaker 1>but you know, he probably had life insurance or something

0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:48.719
<v Speaker 1>like that something. You know, it's not it's it protected

0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:52.000
<v Speaker 1>his family financially a little bit, get them a little

0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:55.839
<v Speaker 1>more something. Yeah, And it protected him because you can

0:43:55.880 --> 0:44:01.120
<v Speaker 1>take on a new name and nobody knows what a

0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:05.279
<v Speaker 1>dipstick you were and what a foolish mistake you made.

0:44:05.320 --> 0:44:09.000
<v Speaker 1>You can actually actually everybody everybody knows that because they've

0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:12.200
<v Speaker 1>read the log books, that you foolish. But no, everybody

0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:15.480
<v Speaker 1>that he meets from then on forward, he's not going

0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:19.440
<v Speaker 1>to operate under this stigma of oh, you don't do

0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:23.879
<v Speaker 1>business with Crowhurst. He's a liar. He tries to pull

0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:26.960
<v Speaker 1>the wool over your eyes. He can just be you know,

0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:30.360
<v Speaker 1>some random dude shows up on the island and hires

0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:32.640
<v Speaker 1>on with a ship and just goes about his business

0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:37.600
<v Speaker 1>and just he's free of it. It's washes his hands. Yeah.

0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:40.000
<v Speaker 1>The only problem I have with that theory is I

0:44:40.280 --> 0:44:42.399
<v Speaker 1>still think he would have sanitized the boat. He would

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:45.799
<v Speaker 1>have taken the incriminating stuff. Yeah, I definitely think that

0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:49.520
<v Speaker 1>he should have. He should have would think that because

0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:51.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, if he set the set the boat off,

0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:54.359
<v Speaker 1>he would want people to think that he just was

0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:58.640
<v Speaker 1>washed overboard or fell overboard. Yeah, and so that's fair.

0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a fair point. But but but sanitizing the boat,

0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:04.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that that wouldn't look more suspicious. That

0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:06.480
<v Speaker 1>would looks kind of funny too. You know, if he

0:45:06.560 --> 0:45:09.600
<v Speaker 1>had done the laundry and washed all the dishes and

0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:12.359
<v Speaker 1>all of that, would that have stood out to us

0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:16.640
<v Speaker 1>in history as stranger than the cabin was a wreck? No? No, no,

0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:18.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't mean I'm sanitized as in removing

0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:22.320
<v Speaker 1>criminating materials like the log books and charts and stuff

0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:25.759
<v Speaker 1>like that. That's stuff that stuff that you know that

0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:28.680
<v Speaker 1>showed the entire world that he had been lying this

0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:31.440
<v Speaker 1>entire time. But would it have looked But that's the

0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:34.359
<v Speaker 1>thing again, that would have looked bad to how many

0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:37.920
<v Speaker 1>log books he left with. Well what I mean, I

0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:40.560
<v Speaker 1>guess the thing you do in that situation is you

0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:45.279
<v Speaker 1>just throw almost everything that was on the ship overboard

0:45:45.440 --> 0:45:47.000
<v Speaker 1>and make it look like you got hit by a

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:50.240
<v Speaker 1>huge wave. It washed, you know, washed everything out, watched

0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:53.560
<v Speaker 1>everything out. It's reasonable that there was you know, not

0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:56.360
<v Speaker 1>a whole lot that survived or whatever, and let go

0:45:56.440 --> 0:46:00.200
<v Speaker 1>about your marry Wayne. Yeah, I mean there's you knows,

0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:02.839
<v Speaker 1>there's plausible excuses for that, you know, like, well, you know,

0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:05.319
<v Speaker 1>I took on a bunch of water with a sneaker wave,

0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:07.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, filled half filled the cabin, and I had

0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:09.319
<v Speaker 1>had everything out on deck drying out, you know, and

0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:11.760
<v Speaker 1>then theother sneaker wave came along and washed it all overboard.

0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:13.799
<v Speaker 1>Of course he's not there to explain all this or

0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:16.480
<v Speaker 1>you you know, dunk them in the water and let

0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:19.040
<v Speaker 1>lay them out to dry, and they're so you know, crinkled,

0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:21.720
<v Speaker 1>and I think is all running and everything that nobody

0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:25.160
<v Speaker 1>can decipher what you were writing. But I don't know,

0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:27.719
<v Speaker 1>there's ways to do it. There's ways to cover your tracks. Yeah,

0:46:27.920 --> 0:46:29.880
<v Speaker 1>and that's that's the hardest part with this, is we

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:34.080
<v Speaker 1>all it's so easy first armchair quarterback that and come

0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:37.200
<v Speaker 1>up with better ways to do it. But again, some

0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:40.920
<v Speaker 1>days on your own, and granted you've got a lot

0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:43.360
<v Speaker 1>of time to think through this, but I think you

0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:45.680
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of time to think through this and

0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:48.759
<v Speaker 1>then think through it again and again and just drive

0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:51.480
<v Speaker 1>yourself bad. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure. It sounds like

0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:54.120
<v Speaker 1>that's what happened to him. Yeah, it's sad. I feel

0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:56.719
<v Speaker 1>so I feel bad for the guy. Well, okay, so

0:46:56.800 --> 0:47:00.200
<v Speaker 1>much for that theory, So maybe maybe who knows, um

0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:03.919
<v Speaker 1>any other any other theories? Now, that was the only

0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:06.799
<v Speaker 1>other thing I had was the ash. There's not too

0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:08.840
<v Speaker 1>many theories on this one, but I didn't want to

0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:11.400
<v Speaker 1>say one last thing, and that what's really sad is

0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:14.640
<v Speaker 1>that he had a way out. He didn't have to

0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:17.280
<v Speaker 1>kill himself if if you need, I'm kind of torn

0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:20.160
<v Speaker 1>between being falling overboard and killing him. So I wasna

0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:25.800
<v Speaker 1>you lean towards the suicide theory if well, if you committed,

0:47:25.840 --> 0:47:29.799
<v Speaker 1>if he committed suicide, then it didn't he didn't have

0:47:29.920 --> 0:47:32.040
<v Speaker 1>to do it. He could have. He could have. Actually,

0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:34.840
<v Speaker 1>there was a way that he could get back to

0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:38.719
<v Speaker 1>England fool everybody and not be disgraced, which is all

0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:42.319
<v Speaker 1>he had to do was scuttle his boat. Yeah, all

0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:45.520
<v Speaker 1>he had to do. That's I didn't even think about that. Yeah,

0:47:45.640 --> 0:47:49.080
<v Speaker 1>that's so true. Everybody else was doing it, I know.

0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:51.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's all the cool kids are doing it.

0:47:51.719 --> 0:47:53.799
<v Speaker 1>If he doesn't get the money, but yeah, I mean

0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:56.480
<v Speaker 1>he he only problem was he didn't have a radio

0:47:56.480 --> 0:47:59.040
<v Speaker 1>transmitter that had cocked out. I don't know if I

0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:01.400
<v Speaker 1>mentioned that or not, but as radio he he seized

0:48:01.520 --> 0:48:04.000
<v Speaker 1>radio transmissions. But it turns out when they found about

0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:06.880
<v Speaker 1>the transmitter wasn't working. So at some point, this was

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<v Speaker 1>after after he needs to send a couple of transmissions

0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 1>saying he was headed back up the Atlantic, but apparently

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<v Speaker 1>it stopped working. It actually did stop working. Yeah, so

0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:18.200
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't get a distress call out. But that's easily

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<v Speaker 1>solved because he was All he needed to do was

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<v Speaker 1>head towards say, you know the coast of North Africa

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe Portugal, Spain, and we get close, get to

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<v Speaker 1>within maybe just barely side the land. Stuff. A bunch

0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:33.840
<v Speaker 1>of provisions to make sure the wind and the current

0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:35.879
<v Speaker 1>are moving your direction and then open all the sea

0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:38.279
<v Speaker 1>cocks and watched that thing go down. And he did

0:48:38.320 --> 0:48:43.040
<v Speaker 1>have a lifeboat on. And so the thing is is

0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:45.480
<v Speaker 1>he could have done that, of course, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>in the in the in the mayhem of the boats sinking,

0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:49.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like I didn't have time to grab

0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:52.400
<v Speaker 1>the log books, you know, And so he just barely

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<v Speaker 1>escapes with his life, and nobody ever, people might be

0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:58.920
<v Speaker 1>a little suspicious, but nobody will ever be the wiser.

0:48:59.160 --> 0:49:02.080
<v Speaker 1>And he doesn't. He's not disgraced. He doesn't lose his

0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:05.080
<v Speaker 1>house and his business. That's all he had to do. Gosh,

0:49:05.400 --> 0:49:08.480
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even think of that. Yeah, foolish because I

0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:10.719
<v Speaker 1>put off the deep end with the ads. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>a much simpler answer that would have been, Yeah, that

0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:16.280
<v Speaker 1>would have been the way to do it. And frankly,

0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:18.279
<v Speaker 1>but you know, and this is another reason to lean

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<v Speaker 1>towards um, towards being falling overboarder being washed overboard, is

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm kind of surprised if he chose to kill himself,

0:49:26.280 --> 0:49:28.880
<v Speaker 1>that he didn't scuttle the boat, because you know, the

0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:30.920
<v Speaker 1>same same thing he winds up with the drinks, and

0:49:30.960 --> 0:49:35.280
<v Speaker 1>the drinking drowns, but he leaves all the damning evidence behind.

0:49:35.560 --> 0:49:38.520
<v Speaker 1>But if he sunk the boat and drowned himself, then

0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:41.319
<v Speaker 1>everybody would just assume that he had been lost at sea,

0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:44.440
<v Speaker 1>and he would be kind of a national hero instead

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<v Speaker 1>of a national instead of being disgraced as he was.

0:49:46.760 --> 0:49:50.120
<v Speaker 1>It's very true. Yeah, so yeah, it's kind of seems

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<v Speaker 1>like he was just washed overboard. Well, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, it's hard to say, because I mean, it

0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:57.359
<v Speaker 1>didn't occur to you guys to scuttle the boat. Maybe

0:49:57.360 --> 0:50:01.719
<v Speaker 1>it didn't occur to him. Yeah, it occurs to Joe

0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:04.600
<v Speaker 1>because he scuttles boats all the time. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:06.560
<v Speaker 1>You know sometimes you gotta you know, you gotta just

0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:11.000
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